I noticed it was bullshit from day one upgrading from my 660ti
#🔌│tech
zenith mirage
What brand is it out of curiousity?
grim cloud
aka read what I said above 😄
lethal wasp
MSI
I don't blame MSI though
all my other shit is great
I could airblast it for cosmetic reasons but fuck that
lethal wasp
My graphics card was carried over from my previous build
otherwise I'd have got a white graphics card
An MSI Armor 1070 would look fine
EVGA had VRM issues iirc
pale sigil
I still haven't done anything of mine
there was a patch to prevent it
i missread for vram lol
lethal wasp
tfw I want a new graphics card just to have a clean af build
lethal wasp
The way I see it atmo I'd rather have a sports car
lethal wasp
like
I bought an aftermarket charger for my opo
so all my cables and shit were black
then they made the OP3 dash charge
so I can't change shit
idk how people can consider buying a blue snowball
it looks so stupid
lethal wasp
it's a giant white testicle :c
pale sigil
Then i can suck it.
In my spare time.
best of both worlds
Also i dont have it on my desk
i have a clamp coming down over me
pale sigil
perks of playing on pc lel
pale sigil
?
pale sigil
That's actually funny
lethal wasp
idk whos side I'm on tbh
it's lame af when support gets dropped
but at the same time
pale sigil
He
lethal wasp
they said they're "working on it"
pale sigil
sigh uncharted on a controller is harsh af
modest adder
Is god of war avaliable in psnow?
lethal wasp
Does anyone here own an A4-Tech Lightstrike keyboard?
pale sigil
nope
glad scroll
Ps3 emulator on the way 👌
lethal wasp
https://www.bloody.com/en/product.php?pid=11&id=110 It's a non analog optical keyboard that exists
pretty cheap if you can actually find it
solar hinge
@hexed gyro they're going to be at computex
hexed gyro
Im familiar with the keyboard
Bloody got something going but has terrible design/marketing in my opinion. I guess their main market is China, where this does work well
lethal wasp
They also have 0 latency optical mouse buttons paired with potato sensors :c
If someone made a 3360 mouse with optical buttons in zowie shells and non braided cables then mouse endgame would be achieved
maybe an alt with logitech's wireless tech from the G403
Seems like current "good" mouse button latency is 5-10ms
which is 1-2 frames at high refresh rates
lethal wasp
I considered the benafit in osu
but it's about consistancy really
cookiezi uses a blackwidow sometimes
which has a huge delay on it iirc
like 20-25ms
the b700 in black isn't too bad
even silver
the orange keys are optional/spare
my setup looks so clean that I couldn't pull the trigger though
rohulk is using one atmo
http://cdn.overclock.net/6/62/900x900px-LL-62f905f5_s_8d69af4d5a794dc48cba31bd6cc75f10.jpeg a4tech claim 25ms on the blackwidow
grim cloud
25ms looks like a lot. But having one and testing, might be the case indeed.
zenith mirage
Radeon RX 480 Cards Can Successfully be Flashed to RX 580
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/66akrf/radeon_rx_480_cards_can_successfully_be_flashed/
grim cloud
😦
lethal wasp
you know the rx 580 somehow performed worse than the rx 480 in some games right? 😂
Logitech have a video testing the roamer G switch vs a current blackwidow and they had a 10ms lead
grim cloud
Any recommendation for a good mechanical keyboard?
(That's available in US format in Europe..)
fervent plaza
I recommend you start with choosing the switch and then finding a good available option
This might help in choosing one: http://blog.wooting.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/different-switches-.gif
glad scroll
nvidia also does that, its nothing new.
For the company, it yields really much if you can make an architecture that you later can sell again just a bit overclocked.
🤷
lethal wasp
@digital cliff how are you testing it and if so how can you still be unsure?
@digital cliff I'd consider the bloody b700 or one of logitech's roamer g keyboards
lethal wasp
ye
it has to
not nessisarily
that doesn't mean it's scanning slower
it has to debounce the keyrelease as well
even gaming mice have similar latency
it's a flaw of metal contact switches
should have got a b700
would have been alot more certain
£57
for a tkl optical keyboard
you just did
besides
do you have any citation for the keypad?
which is much lower relative value
I digress
you're paying like £30 for 2 keys
instead of £60 for 100
seems like a sidegrade at best but it's down to you
fervent plaza
The debouncing makes it impossible to scan faster than the time it takes to debounce. It's not like the switch is faster, an optical switch just allows you to scan the keys faster.
So a mechanical keyboard scans about every 30 ms. If it would scan faster there is a chance that the value you read is actually the metal contact switch still bouncing
fervent plaza
Ah right, that's talking about the USB rate. So the way USB works is that your computer will ask new data every few ms (1 ms = 1000 Hz). So in that time your keyboard is expected to have new data ready. But if you cannot scan your keys faster, than it doesn't really matter what your USB rate is
Yeah it does. But that still leaves you with issues for tapping
and would require a saving of state for all the keys on the keyboard
It's a good idea though, might be that some keyboards already use it
I think the main issue is with double tapping then. Doesn't seem to be a way to scan that faster with your method
The same can be said for noticing your first keypress
Some firmware is also really slow btw
I once read this interesting article from a guy who made a mouse button tester with an arduino
let me see if I can find it
I think it's this one
lethal wasp
got any figures for the wooting one then?
pale sigil
for?
lethal wasp
what this guy was on about
lift off latency to put it crudely
"scan rate"
like
is there just no debounce logic at all
it just does what it does
or is it just tiny
like
I'm sat with a paypal window open but I wanna know that this is my endgame atleast on paper
on depress as well?
noice
by os latency
you mean just the rest of the input lag chain basically
aight
will I regret trying to swap from iso to ansi?
where are you from?
I have an old pc, speakers and soundcard to sell but it's a niche market T_T
uk here
and a topre keyboard*
did the vid not cover it?
I wish someone wouild tl;dr these vids lol
well I can ctrl f that shit
I just want the information
not the padding and waffle lol
tfw 240hz monitors have more input lag than 144hz ones
signal processing is gay af
it's smoother
no like
it's about the same overall
but the small gain you'd get in latency
is gone
maybe a little more
so say like
2ms signal + 6ms refresh
8ms signal + 4ms refresh
depends on the specific monitor
plus there's that shitty 60hz hdmi test people use
which is pointless because the monitors wern't even designed to run at 60hz
actually
the asus was only 2ms
ok
so
there's signal processing time
and then just the time to actually refresh
can't remember the name of it
leo bogna or some shit
leo bodnar test
it's a little thing you plug into your monitor
and it sends a 60hz signal
and it tells you the delay
in 3 locations
top middle bottom
and delay at the top = signal processing time
the rest always follows the full of refresh time
you have more input lag at the bottom of your screen than the top
because refresh cycles wipe down the screen slowly for the duration of the cycle
so
60hz = 16ms extra delay on the bottom of the screen
8ms in the middle
the differental gets lower with refresh rate
the way lcd's work is really stupid as far as motion clarity and latency is concerned
crts refresh multple times per cycle
so they have no extra delay afaik
that's why they have vastly better motion clarity
unless you have a strobing backlight
radiant saddle
@lethal wasp find me a 1080p CRT and ill rock it for esports
lethal wasp
they exist
but they're very rare
and cost like £700+
Sony GDM-FW900
anyways
A good strobing screen is superior to crt picture-wise
but they still have more latency by design
it's not anywhere near as bad as it used to be
zenith mirage
A 1440p, 144Hz, IPS Freesync monitor
pale sigil
in 2017
zenith mirage
Sorry, it just came through in an email
I know there is am extension so you don't have to log in
Let me see if I cam fix it
zenith mirage
pale sigil
im tempted
zenith mirage
3 year warranty
zenith mirage
It's ticking all the boxes
pale sigil
how does massdrop work?
zenith mirage
You commit to buying, and when thr drop ends you pay
pale sigil
considering most 1440p monitors are more
@zenith mirage any reviews?
i wanna look into this first
good olde linux
*linus
i need sleep
Q-Q
zenith mirage
Can't watch it atm but give the overview would you
Skip to the end and give me the 411 plz
pale sigil
he doesn't even test it
pale sigil
idk if i wanna risk it
zenith mirage
Can only be shipped to united states 😭
zenith mirage
I know you can get mail forwarding services but I wonder how much they are
zenith mirage
That's so disappointing
Anyway I got to go boys. I'll try to be less disappointing when i get back.
fervent plaza
Watch out for import costs as well with massdrop
zenith mirage
Okay so a rep from the company responded, that monitor will be available in Europe late Q2/early Q3. I can wait until then.
Maybe VEGA will finally be out at that point so I can properly harness that high refresh rate.
zenith mirage
Early in the third quarter of the year
And considering VEGA is looking to be late Q2 all is well.
crude cipher
They're taking long enough
crude cipher
Is there ever going to be a Ryzen 4 core that hits 4Ghz?
I don't understand why there isn't something between the 1600X and the 1500X
crude cipher
I don't know why anyone would buy the 1600 though
Is it just a terrible silicon lottery chip binning?
On the reverse, it seems like the 1500X is wasting a ton of thermal envelope somewhere
glad scroll
Something you can use discord webhook for.
https://gist.github.com/austinhuang0131/4610dd2e19ce22b407387981479d1bae
glad scroll
Its over ... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-05-30-playstation-3-production-finally-shut-down
pale sigil
poor thing
glad scroll
Its been a long day,
without you my friend,
and ill tell you all about it when i see you again ...
pale sigil
k
glad scroll
¯_(ツ)_/¯
zenith mirage
VEGA at the end of July. The dream is dead boys
ornate pier
Rest in RIP Vega 2016 - Not even unveiled.
zenith mirage
They had two of them running Prey at 4K and it looked choppy as hell. 1080ti can do that, even a 1080 can run smoother. RIP AMD GPUs for gaming.
glad scroll
Depends if they can be competitive with pricing.
zenith mirage
$200 or not worth it
glad scroll
Lol
errant obsidian
crude cipher
I clearly need to look into kidney smuggling
odd stirrup
It says skin is $10 per sq inch but what the average sq inches of skin on a body?
crude cipher
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11497/aorus-announces-the-gtx-1070-gaming-box-egfx-adapter looks interesting
glad scroll
why not just buy a computer instead ...
odd stirrup
Because then you can take your laptop with you when you don't need the GPU or the desk
glad scroll
But you need to bring that with you?
odd stirrup
only if you need the GPU
The GPU/APU built into the laptop should be able to manage basic web browsing, note taking, and document editing.
glad scroll
any cpu can do that if its bought within the last 10 years
odd stirrup
Indeed
and so the external GPU is only needed in certain cases
and you wouldn't have to take it with you
glad scroll
but, gaming on laptop ... i mean sure if you want it, but then you might aswell buy something like a razor blade or something
odd stirrup
At first I thought you were suggesting self-harm if wanting to game on a laptop before remembering the poorly named laptop
ornate pier
Asus' Zephyrus seems pretty cool too.
glad scroll
lol
gaming on laptop is something i used to do aswell, but now the laptop is just a mobile text editor, more or less.
I stick to games on the desktop, and move it when going to friends.
sure, it might be a better choice to buy a bad laptop with a thunderbolt connection and that instead of a razor blade, considering any laptop that gets a gpu in it instantly cost 1000 dollars more
ornate pier
I originally wanted to get a Razer Blade to compliment my tower since I had an ultrabook before, but it was just getting too expensive imo.
So I preferred to sacrifice a bit of thinness and weight and got an Alienware 13 R3 instead, very good laptop actually.
Made a clean install of Windows obviously.
glad scroll
well, they have to specially design the gpu, so i guess its understandable that it costs more ... but since the razor blade has a 1060, it doesnt justify its price.
it costs like 2k$ if i remember right?
ornate pier
At least 2K € indeed.
The AW was 600€ cheaper.
Got an i5 instead and bumped up the SSD's capacity.
And at least I can easily upgrade the RAM and the SSD.
Laptop would have been absolutely perfect if it offered a 120Hz+ screen.
glad scroll
as much as they can cram into a laptop, it always have to balance with power
cause if they dont, you will get a notification you need to plug in the cable 5 sec after you unplugged it
XD
power and thermals.
ornate pier
I heard the Blade's GPU tend to throttle because of how thin it is.
glad scroll
Wouldnt surprise me
ornate pier
It's cool for portability, but at this price it's not worth the compromise.
glad scroll
personally, i prefer the older looks for laptops, since i have used a lenovo t430 during entire high school xD
sadly, it has shitty battery time tho xD
crude cipher
@glad scroll I have a nice laptop and I'd rather have 1 computer to manage instead of 2
glad scroll
You mean files from different computers?
crude cipher
Yeah
glad scroll
Thats why i have an loose ethernet port on my desk.
So i can plug it in my laptop and search the computer from my desk pc.
Network magics 👌
crude cipher
If I went with two machines, I'd start symlinking things through Dropbox
glad scroll
most of the work i have, is on a usb stick, that i plug into either of the device im working on
crude cipher
I'm not particularly interested in compiling software off a thumb drive
glad scroll
why not? think you will saturate the usb port?
crude cipher
I think it'd definitely be a bit of a bottleneck
glad scroll
Unless you have an extremly large project, i dont think it will get saturated.
but maybe, im doing python, so i dont care about compiling.
crude cipher
Yeah I noticed your Python 3 handle when I @-mentioned you
I do Python (py-ndragon) mainly, but I do have some things in other languages
glad scroll
true, as much as i like python, it cannot do everthing (efficiently)
odd stirrup
Now kiss
crude cipher
AttributeError: method not found
crude cipher
Thoughts? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hxQBpb
zenith mirage
The mobo might be overkill. Asus Prime B350 looks like a good board.
Sorry, Asus prime X370
crude cipher
Which one? X370-Pro or X370-A?
crude cipher
That mobo has 3 eggs on 126 reviews
zenith mirage
Those were early days. BIOS uypdates fix a lot
Therw were a lot of memory issues backint he day
Sorry, bad typing between deaths
crude cipher
Heh
zenith mirage
Actually ASUS have a new BIOS patch coming in the next few weeks
I remember when the crosshair VI, the most expsnive mobo launched it got slated too for allof its issues.
crude cipher
So the Prime + the 1600X would be (250.98 + 161.98) = 412.96
Taichi + 1600X is a 434.99 + $10 MIR.
zenith mirage
hmm. Prices here have a bit of a larger gap which is why is why i suggested
crude cipher
Plus the Taichi includes 802.11ac/BT and uses its USB-C connector for USB 3.1
So it's a better board with some features baked in that I'd have to get separately otherwise
And it's in a bundle that knocks the price down to actually be reasonable
zenith mirage
Yeah for the price difference ytou might as well
crude cipher
Otherwise yeah, I'd be looking for something cheaper
Stupid to spend 200 on a mobo you're gonna put a 250 dollar chip in
crude cipher
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/landing/one I feel like Corsair went to their web devs
And just said
"Make this look like a gaming version of the Mac Pro page"
crude cipher
Linus and Luke creating side panel windows from plastic pulled out of GPUs lul
lethal wasp
Several Optical keyboards on the way now 😮
ZOWIE CELERITAS II, Tesoro Excalibur SE, etc
fervent plaza
Yeah true, there were a ton of different optical switches at computex this year
They were all just digital optical switches though. So just an interruption of a beam of light, instead of the cool reflection analog stuff the flaretech has
toxic pollen
If any one needs a new mic http://dro.ps/b/RFClIhI/l
pale sigil
O
solar hinge
oooh i need one actually
how do they compare to the mod mic?.
nvm
the review is for it :p
free shipping to the netherlands? score
@toxic pollen thank you!
pfff, now it says 4 dollars shipping
toxic pollen
no problem
crude cipher
Oh boy
The HD6XX is back http://dro.ps/b/aJmlrKw/l
And the people who couldn't get one because Massdrop's servers got overwhelmed by the demand get first dibs
Price is higher though this time .)_.)
radiant saddle
Really contemplating nabbing a k-type while they are still available
crude cipher
I wanted one but not with that color setup
zenith mirage
I see you lot were talking about coding! I'll have you all know I dropped out of a computing course in second year at uni so I'm 100% qualified.
radiant saddle
@crude cipher hire me ontu your game dev team, I can be a crutch for you all to blame when everything goes to shit.
crude cipher
I do more boring dev for pay
radiant saddle
I actually got an email today from a guy on LinkedIn asking if I would be interested in a web dev positron .
Never again lol
Webdev is a nightmare
And I'm not going back
crude cipher
I did web dev for a while
radiant saddle
Ptsd?
crude cipher
I don't mind it myself
But
That's not working on a big team with a crappy million line codebase
@zenith mirage probably means you'll found Facebook or something!
radiant saddle
They hired me because of my experience designing architecture
zenith mirage
Sure, that's the dream
crude cipher
Oi. You got a job as a front end architect?
crude cipher
Now I see where the PTSD comes from
radiant saddle
C++ brain did not translate well to js/ecma/typescript/etc.
crude cipher
Yeah no
Ouch. Yeah. I'm sorry
JS is bad enough for Mr. Dynamically Typed Python Dev me
@radiant saddle but remind me, are you in school currently?
radiant saddle
@crude cipher no, I graduated about 2-3 years ago
crude cipher
Ok
radiant saddle
I'm annoyed that I learned more in my free time than I did in college
They didn't have any classes on c++
crude cipher
What
radiant saddle
Had to learn everything solo
My state is not a hub for C++ devs
So it's not surprising
crude cipher
I was going to go to school
zenith mirage
My experience with C++ was a lot of missed ;
crude cipher
Then I found out I was already employable
zenith mirage
Enjoyable and employable? Perfect combo
radiant saddle
There are 0 c++ dev job's here
crude cipher
Huh
radiant saddle
Everything here is webdev
crude cipher
Move?
radiant saddle
Money
zenith mirage
Come hideout in the flat and do my coding work with me. I'll slip you a cut of the profits
trail sedge
Where do you live? If I may ask
radiant saddle
Alabama
zenith mirage
I mean you'll have to fly across the planet but that's okay right?
radiant saddle
@zenith mirage if you're code work is web code, then that's the worst idea ever.
zenith mirage
Nah, you should be good
crude cipher
@radiant saddle learn Nim
radiant saddle
"Yeah man, I write code. Hell the other day I finished a prototype for an atomic fc job system just to see if I could do it. Anyways enough about me, you said you wanted a #3 with fries?"
crude cipher
Haha
radiant saddle
I ding like garbage collected languages
Dont"
Always wind up trying to work around it using pooling and/or hacks
radiant saddle
If they were the future, performant heavy code wouldn't still be written in C/C++/asm.
Yes they are easier
But I like the challenge of working in performant heavy code
rigid fulcrum
I'd love to be able to code
zenith mirage
Then learn it my guy
zenith mirage
Best time to start is now
He says as he neglects his guitar
Do as I say not as I do
radiant saddle
Ship it to me, in starting up producing again
rigid fulcrum
lmao
zenith mirage
I'm sure the shipping would be more than it's worth 😞
To be fair my amp is broken and something is up with the guitar that I cannot fix myself
crude cipher
Wow Skylake-X is way overshooting Ryzen on price
zenith mirage
Intel floundering with pricing on higher corecounts. Over 4 has always been reserved for server or prosumer, they just don't know what a decent price is
Bar the odd 6 core i7 getting wheeled out
crude cipher
Well, >4 is still prosumer+
zenith mirage
Well i suppose
But i do appreciate that both sides are getting into higher core counts
Is ryzen 3 out yet? Has to be right?
crude cipher
It's just that Intel is charging 100+ USD more for the different bonus core slots
I don't think so
zenith mirage
Hmmm, interesting
I think the variation in PCI lanes and IO has made them look bad before people even get a chance to buy them
Also i believe they run fairly hot from what I've seen. Could be wrong on that though.
crude cipher
@radiant saddle for now there's still a lot of stuff in C++
But as security becomes more and more important, C++ is losing share to languages with similar performance and better brain-fart protection
crude cipher
Are you that tied to not having a garbage collector?
I mean, you can disable Nim's GC
@radiant saddle ^
radiant saddle
@crude cipher having to manage it all manually is fun to me, plus I like always knowing what is going on rather than just guess Edgar is going on behind abstraction.
crude cipher
glad scroll
👌
radiant saddle
Should I go with a Ryzen 1600x or shell out the extra dosh for a 1700x
timid chasm
do you need the extra cores?
if not then don't bother
as in if you're only gaming with some light multitasking on it you probably don't need the 1700x
radiant saddle
I dnt really need the extra two cores for gaming, but I'm used to the 8 cities in my 9370
The ipc boost will prob make it to we I don't notice anything aside fine a giant performance boost
I'll go with the 1600x
glad scroll
@radiant saddle what type of computing do you do? if you dont do anything heavy like rendering or programming(especially building), i dont think you will benefit from the extra cores
radiant saddle
I program, a lot, I wound up going with the 1700
radiant saddle
I also got a tachi, so when the time comes that I want more power I can just replace the stock cooler and OC it to help
Damn phone ui
My bad
glad scroll
hmm, i dont know about the stock cooler for ryzen, but it seems pretty okay
radiant saddle
Talk is that it's actually pretty damn good
Some people are even able to put a light OC with it
It's no nhd15 of course, but because it was included it saved me the cost of buying a cooler so the order for the 1700 wound up being cheaper than the 1600x
glad scroll
Ah, I see
I will prolly upgrade to ryzen when the time comes, as it might boost alot of apps i use.
I bought a 6700K last summer, so it will be a while before i upgrade xD
But, by then, they should have a long time to optimize it ^_^
Amd has started partnering with bethesda, so you can see some perfomance gains in those games.
radiant saddle
@glad scroll maybe, it depends on how their threading works
One of the most common I've seen is with a single shared job queue synchronized by atomic compare exchange operations
It's easy to setup and manage, but doesn't scale well past 4 threads
Flat combining queues scale much better, but they are not trivial to implement and might require heavy engine modification for most existing engines in order to make it work.
(It's much different for consoles though as far as I know)
crude cipher
@radiant saddle basically I want to run a Windows VM with PCIe pass through
But of course Ryzen doesn't have on-board graphics
radiant saddle
I have 0 experience with advanced vm usage like that
crude cipher
Which means I need two cards
radiant saddle
Get a ryzen api instead then
crude cipher
Or I could just give up and get an i7
crude cipher
Are there any APUs yet?
radiant saddle
Not yet, they are coming though
Ryzen isn't a magic bullet though
If you absolutely need integrated graphics but still want speed, best to just stay Intel
Fml phone ui..
crude cipher
Eugh. Raven Ridge isn't due until 2018
I'd love to have 6 cores, but... Then you end up spending 100+ bonus bonus money on an extra GPU
On the other hand, having a 1050Ti for the host system isn't exactly the suckiest outcome
I really wanted 3 DP though :(
glad scroll
Raven Ridge? is that the apu's?
crude cipher
@glad scroll yeah
glad scroll
get a 1050ti and you can do some tensorflow action.
radiant saddle
For real though, I was able to play any game I threw at my 980 from medium to ultra settings at 60+ depending on the game while it was being throttled by an old dying 9370fx
With ryzen I'm pretty sure I'll be able to play anything stable for a good while
So funny be afraid to consider an old 980 if you decide to go that route and want to save dosh
pale sigil
friend got ryzen with a 1080
radiant saddle
I bet it blazes
radiant saddle
What ryzen did he get
Because in some games an OCed 1700 actually beats a 7700k
Nb4 1500x
crude cipher
1500x seems pointless unless you're gonna OC hard
crude cipher
I'm planning to get a 1600x
Not particularly worried about single-thread game bottlenecks
With my GPU budget
crude cipher
/me looks at Ebay
Interesting, you can get a 980Ti used for less than a new 1060 right now
pale sigil
used is meh
radiant saddle
@pale sigil if you are only going by single clock speed with no memory OC, then yes
Otherwise, you can beat a 7700k
People have already done it with 1700\1700x's OCed to 4-4.1ghz with ram OC's of 3000+
Stock though yeah, 7700k beats a any ryzen in single threaded performance, but not in multithreaded, and its cheaper.
If gaming was all one wanted to do and they didn't multitask much/render/program then Intel would be the better bet if you had the money
I game and program (and trust me having as many threads available as possible helps s LOT with compilation times of large code basis) so the ryzen makes more sense for someone like me
crude cipher
@radiant saddle compilation is the only reason I wanted 6 cores
radiant saddle
kek
crude cipher
Although I guess it'll be good for virtualization as well
Allow the VM to use 8 logical cores
Turn the VM off and make -j12 for the win
Or segfault :/
radiant saddle
Can you even assign the logical cores specifically
I thought only the os could see the difference and applications only see them from the os as just cores
Not specifically physical/logical cores
I don't virtualize, so I'm ignorant on the subject.
crude cipher
@radiant saddle when I say logical cores, I mean the cores presented to the OS
crude cipher
Both hyper-threads and physical cores
radiant saddle
Yeah
crude cipher
Can only buy one
But, I could get a Linux system running and worry about the VM later
Most of my games work on Linux anyways
radiant saddle
Most of mine don't sadly
fickle ore
It'd be nice to see what Ryzen is capable of with dual rank ddr4 4000 memory, if they can improve the bios/agesa that much
pale sigil
Why go budget
fickle ore
I've only seen dual rank memory with 32GB+, I wonder if there's any high speed dual rank in 16gb kits
Budget?
radiant saddle
@pale sigil because not everyone has 1-2k to spend on computer parts.
I have bills to pay and payments to make.
fickle ore
I don't think ryzen is budget at all, it performs some things better than intel, and better memory just seem to increase the fps alot
it has usb, audio and m.2 on cpu die, so better I/O than intel
radiant saddle
Same answer
crude cipher
@pale sigil the cost difference between the Ryzen 1600X and the i7-7800X is 60%
pale sigil
again not talking about ryzen
pale sigil
Dont have to xD
crude cipher
So I have to get a 1070/Vega to be non-budget?
fickle ore
You cannot wait? I'd wait to see the Gaming oriented Vega first
pale sigil
1060
crude cipher
@pale sigil see, when I ask two questions and you throw out model numbers without context... It doesn't tell me much.
crude cipher
1060 6GB is 350 USD right now.
fickle ore
Too much lol
crude cipher
1050 Ti 4GB is 150 USD
pale sigil
£174.99
crude cipher
The normal value curves don't apply
crude cipher
Cheapest 3GB here is 220 USD
And again, I'm looking at buying two cards
One for host system/Linux gaming, one for VM/Windows
Unless I throw that all out and go Windows-only and Steam Stream to my current machine
glad scroll
Low end Nvidia cards arent inflated by cryptomining
As Nvidia's architecture doesn't work very well on mining
glad scroll
AMD cards doesn't have tensorflow support, so they aren't very useful for deep learning
But, it's good that there will be mining specific csrds
But, we can hope it will make miners have their hands away from the normal graphics cards
timid chasm
maybe but more they mine the less effective mining will become so the more power they'll seek, I imagine
left lagoon
the miner specific cards are not something any of the miners ive talked withare even considering, same goes for me, atleast for now
glad scroll
0 second hand value if ETH crashes
I guess you can try to mine litecoin or something else then
Burstcoin, lmao
"mine with your harddrive"
I wonder if burstcoin really is a giant pass cracking network
Tho
I would love a crash for ETH, as all gpu's would go onto eBay and shit
I would bargain if there was any Nvidia miner cards.
jade ember
crude cipher
That article seems to suggest that it already has
30% correction in 1 week while mining just gets harder
glad scroll
rip enigma
Why mine with a few gpu's, when you can mine with hundreds? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhLVELIXjs0
fickle ore
I think my PC just broke somehow. In overwatch the whole screen has some graphical artefacts like snowflakes and PC reboots after a while. Anyone know what could be the cause?
I can keep it normal in windows but like after 1-2 minutes in game it does that
silver night
check temp, sounds like overheating
vram might went bust
framebuffer snow/black squares pattern like glitches are typically from vram
glad scroll
Yes ripped from a youtube video.
Not mine, just examples.
@fickle ore something like that?
pale sigil
@nagga#5457 its a gonner for sure
@fickle ore
Overwatch is desisgned to run on potatos
timid chasm
give it to me then I'll take it 😛
timid chasm
Would be nice I have ~5TB and with Steam it's easy to keep full
timid chasm
I couldn't multi-monitor game with the frames still on, drives me nuts
glad scroll
When will large capacity ssd become avaliable without having to sell your soul to the devil?
🤷
ivory roost
I wish I could actually sell my soul to get one
radiant saddle
Let me draft a contract and Ill get back to you
crude cipher
@ivory roost you know, you can't double-mortgage your soul
50TB of storage seems pretty cheap, really
I mean, Faust got a pretty epic life out of his
But maybe the soul:material-wealth exchange rate is pretty low right now
modest adder
Looking at some patterns they will bump up in value probably in a month or 3
Not sure what the bitcoin is now
But it rose like hell the last couple of months
crude cipher
Almost hit 3k which blew my mind
It's back below 2k USD now
30% correction
1060 6GB prices aren't unstupided yet unfortunately
crude cipher
I'm trying to help a friend spec a budget gaming rig. i5-7600 or R5 1500X?
zenith mirage
The 1500X is not too great apparently. 7600 is probably the better choice.
I just looked out of curiosity at prices. Here at least the R5 1600 is cheaper than the i5 you mentioned; and only £20 more than the 1500X. If it's the same where you are then I definitely recommend the 1600.
Also with regards to crypto talk, they're all tanking in fear of what's happening on August first. The Bitcoin blockchain could receive an "upgrade" which may fork the coin off into 2 currencies, or leave it as is. But since nobody knows, the market is having a bad time.
That's a very basic explanation of how I'm understanding the situation. My poor ETH stack though :(
crude cipher
@zenith mirage isn't the 1500X better for gaming, barring OC?
radiant saddle
Go with 1600x
zenith mirage
1500X is a 4 core
From what i understand
But the per core is better on the i5
I mean i guess it depends what he's wanting to do. i5 for games.
fickle ore
Depends what games he plays. I've read that Ryzen benchmarks are usually done in singleplayer or vs bots, which isn't the same as multiplayer games. Ryzen is a lot better than intel offering in games like battlefield 1 multiplayer, with lots of crap going on
I'd go with 8 core chip if multiplayer games interest you, intel if singleplayer is the only thing you play
zenith mirage
My 4690k is really struggling with big Civ games atm
Hopefully my new Ryzen sytem will crush it
fickle ore
I don't know how well CIV games are optimized for beyond 4cpu's
Just remember to get 3200mhz RAM on QVL 😃
crude cipher
@fickle ore he'd like to play PUBG, Insurgency, Rocket League, TF2
I think those are his main game aims
fickle ore
Sorry, I have no idea how intensive those games are for the CPU or whether they do benefit for extra cores in multiplayer, or how many people there are on the server. :/
fickle ore
I suggest googling around for PUBG multiplayer 50v50 performance ryzen vs intel, just make sure the RAM on bench on Ryzen is 3200 mhz min.
I googled around for BF1 multiplayer, and people are saying switching from 7700k to ryzen 1700/1800 removed the cpu bottleneck and hitching.. But I don't personally own Ryzen myself. But I am planning to get it, or the next gen Ryzen on 7nm.
https://youtu.be/YZiIJdMIp6s found something here
I can't see if he says the RAM speed, or the overclocks but w/e
modest adder
Sweet
zenith mirage
And all those amazing Amazon warehouse stickers
pale sigil
@zenith mirage My Grandma has nicer carpet
pale sigil
My Grandma where always pretty loaded tho tbh
so their house is nice in general
Company went bust so now they are just normal peeps, but they own their house and assets so good life for them i guess.
Elders deserve to live ncie lives
zenith mirage
You know what's great? When parts don't come with everything included
No standoff screw for the M.2 drive to be found anywhere
silver night
should come with the mobo, either in accessories bag (probably among other screws and whatnot) or already screwed in on mobo
zenith mirage
It was open box so i reckon whoever had it before lost them
Like the good person they are
crude cipher
@pale sigil let me know if you need CSS advice
glad scroll
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/cybersecurity-wiley Something you guys might like.
radiant saddle
@zenith mirage Imagine being on shrooms and staring at that carpet.
crude cipher
I thought the camera was on shrooms already. No?
zenith mirage
@radiant saddle saying i havent ;)
Also update on the PC. It all works but the RAM LEDs are the wrong colour 😞
granite birch
Did someone already tried to replace flaretech switch springs with stiffer ones ?
I love 65~68 cN
I wonder if it's compatible with standard MX springs (length & diameter)
fervent plaza
It's compatible indeed, let us know about your experience when you change it
Just watch out with the stem, it can fly out and be hard to find since it's transparant @granite birch
astral oak
@fervent plaza I've got a PR to add a Cask for the OSX install, but I guess I should hold off for the 1.0.4 release? I can rebase the commit when the new release happens 😃
wispy vine
I think stiffer springs might be really nice
The feel ia great (this is my first much kb) and its just so easy to type, but also a little too easy at times
fervent plaza
Yes, it's better to hold off for a minute @astral oak
It's actually quite necessary 😛
fervent plaza
Can you tell me a bit about what you use this for @astral oak ?
I'm not very familiar with osx
astral oak
Basically, OSX doesn't have a native package manager
So someone wrote a tool called brew
You can then use it to install apps on the command-line like so:
brew cask install wootility
Then it downloads the dmg and installs it. Basically lets you automate installations on OSX
fervent plaza
Ah I see
Calder and erik always tell me application install are so easy and great on osx, but seems like there's still need for something better 😛
astral oak
Tbf, Windows doesn't have native package managers easier, so someone built something similar for Windows: https://chocolatey.org/
So you'd do
choco install wootility in a POSH or CMD window
And voila 😄
Just updated the Cask pull-request to 1.0.4 😃
halcyon moss
brew is not for the common peeps though
astral oak
If you have a little bit of CLI experience it's fine
But I am coming from a programming background
halcyon moss
yes, but its not for the common peeps 😉
The vast majority won't have any experience with the terminal
astral oak
halcyon moss
granite birch
got my o-rings
bottom-out sound reduced significantly
switch release sound is now the major noise source
analog mode is not impacted
by any significant way
but with a low "Sensivity end" parameter ( < 0.5 ) the bottoming position can oscillate a little bit
It is probably due to the elasticity of the ring and the damping of the vibrations when exerting a weak force to keep the key pressed.
btw it's really better
granite birch
<@&195660585931636737> : I'm currently testing xinput and it seems that my keyboard isn't reporting 100% whatever the key and whatever the analog profile I choose
the max I can go is ±0.996094
are you aware of this ?
(with or without o-ring 😉 )
(my joystick and my xbox controller are both going to 1 perfectly)
reef patrol
Think you want <@&182822816075218944> to be honest. We're just unpaid help, not actual Woot staff/engineers. 😃
As for O-ring versus no ring, I'd personally stick with no rings, since they will reduce the travel length, and thus reduce your ability to make a long analog curve. How much will obviously depend on the thickness of the ring, and how hard you press.
Can you replicate the same behaviour here by any chance? http://html5gamepad.com/
reef patrol
By all means. Be sure to post in the #archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards channel, so one of the Wooters will notice. Calder will probably be up in a few hours given standard Taiwan timezones 😄
granite birch
roger that
reef patrol
If nothing else they might be able to help you tune the o-ring for maximum curve length. But generally o-rings are going to reduce your analog experience. Food for thought 😄
olive onyx
He said without o ring as well
granite birch
only 1/4 of my keyboard is o-ring'ed the behaviour is the same with or without whatever the force I use to press the keyu
I will restart
just to see 😄
before calling the police
olive onyx
@crude cipher volta is next nvidia gen right? That's gotta be a ways off
crude cipher
@olive onyx next gen and yeah but
There are now copies of V100 in the hands of the public
So we know the full-fat specs and consumer card dates should be announced fairly soon
olive onyx
Didn't pascal just come out relatively speaking @crude cipher
Does anyone have release estimates
I know maxwell was longer than normal but this feels short haha
crude cipher
Late 2017/early 2018
olive onyx
I know @reef patrol isn't that recent for GPUs
Since when are GPUs on an annual cycle
reef patrol
It's the current generation, yes.
AMD currently uses the RX 4xx and 5xx names for current gen, with the RX VEGA being the cards that do better than 1060s
glad scroll
They have yet to reveal what Vega can do, as they only showed it in a covered system against a covered nvidia system, and only told the price difference, which doesnt tell much
reef patrol
Not entirely true.
Several leaks have showed that at least one of the RX VEGA cards (i.e. not the non-gaming one) will be slightly faster than the normal 1080 on paper, but not quite TI.
But I agree that concrete details are very scarse atm.
shut forum
In those leaks it doesn't differ much from Frontier Edition
And I don't think that's representative of a finished Vega driver's performance
Gamer's Nexus has a nice video about it, Vega FE and a Fury have identical performance if clocked the same
reef patrol
Yes FE. I'm not talking about enterprise cards here.
shut forum
Yeah, but if RX and FE performed the same, that would still mean no architectural improvements over Fiji
reef patrol
They don't...
That's the entire point.
FE is not for gaming - at all. The RX versions are.
shut forum
Doesn't the Vega FE perform like a 1080?
reef patrol
More like a 1060/1070
In games ofc.
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/07/vega-fe-doom-4k.png
It's just below the halfway point.
Also keep in mind the price of the FE vs an RX model. Much, much cheaper for the non-enterprise cards.
The point of the VEGA RX cards is for AMD to finally compete with nVidia on cards faster than a 1060 at a competitive price (That bit remains to be seen ofc)
fickle ore
vega equivalent of 1060 20% cheaper wud be nice 😄
reef patrol
I imagine they'll focus on a 1070, 1080 and a 1080 TI variant. They already have two 1060 esque cards.
fickle ore
hmmh :/
fickle ore
I kinda want full dx12 functions, which vega could deliver but depends on the price/performance really
damn
shut forum
It's going to die soon
Last time I checked the next spike was coming at the 31st, in the evening hours (European time), but it's possible that the block time changed slightly
reef patrol
We hope...
shut forum
It's at block 4,100,000 and it's going to double the strength of the difficulty bomb
Happens every 100,000 blocks, but only lately became visible because it's exponential
This is how it looks regarding block time (https://etherscan.io/chart/blocktime)
Difficulty is the product of block time and network hashrate, and that's the inverse of mining productivity
In simpler terms, the longer the block time, the less coins you make
reef patrol
And then someone whizzes up a new currency.
shut forum
Those altcoins have negligible exchange rate until they are recognized
The only reason you can mine them profitably is that there are also not enough miners
It sort of balances between the coins, and Ether is the largest right now form that perspective
fickle ore
whole thing is a scam for the coin maker imo
shut forum
That's true for the small altcoins, those are mostly just forks of a bigger coin
reef patrol
My point is that this bubble can go for a lot longer than people expect. And once it pops, the used market will be flooded with useless cards.
shut forum
I'd be fine with the new cards returning to MSRP
No need for that BS junkware sold by the miners
Anyway, the point is, difficulty is going to go up from 1200 TH per block to something like 1600 TH (that one's just speculation, previous two spikes were +70 TH and +200 TH)
That's like 25% less coins mined
If exchange rate doesn't follow (it doesn't tend to), there will be a lot of "mining is dead" posts early August
glad scroll
@reef patrol Lets just hope that "new" currency cant be mined on gpu's xD
reef patrol
Heh...
shut forum
It's not the currencies, more like the demand for them
There was great demand for Ether this year
So it became expensive, and that could get a lot of miners into it
glad scroll
The gpu went out of stock cause the eth algorithm usess gpu's
shut forum
Currently, it's something like two million RX 480s or similar cards
glad scroll
What if the eth algorithm instead used cpu's?
shut forum
Great question, we have yet to discover an easily verifiable algorithm optimized for CPUs
Monero tried, but it's still feasible to mine with GPUs
Satoshi Nakamoto (the unknown creator of Bitcoin) had a simple principle: one CPU, one vote
glad scroll
that later become one asic, many votes.
shut forum
That didn't happen with Bitcoin, and it's close to one GPU, one vote with Ether and similar coins right now
Ether can't be further optimized though, it's memory-hard
That's how they avoid ASICs and FPGAs
shut forum
Why not?
glad scroll
¯_(ツ)_/¯
shut forum
There is only one better option than mining with HDDs in my opinion
fickle ore
I hope Volta release soon :/ DX12/vulkan stuff coming out really need one 😄
shut forum
AFAIK it's confirmed that Nvidia won't release a new architecture this year
Btw current leaks don't suggest any improvement that way, they still got the GigaThread Engine
The reason AMD is so good in Dx12 and Vulkan is their 4-8 async units, each capable of handling 8 queues
glad scroll
I hope there will be consumer cards with large vram without costing a shit ton, volta, that is.
shut forum
Honestly, I'd swap my 1070 to a Vega in approximately two seconds even if it had no performance benefit and a 300 W TDP