BK really caused a shitstorm there.
#š®āgame
orchid prism
slim token
hope they cease to exist soon
fading spade
yeah....
fringe salmon
yes because it was BK and not the ad agency they paid...
and was already over last month anyway 
orchid prism
If you hire a marketing firm and don't approve of what they do... you're asking for shit š
fading spade
not to mention the streamers didnt know anything was going to happen
the TOS breakage on Twitch and other platforms by doing shit like this
Misusing tools to let fans pay their favourite streamers to get cheap ads into the stream
Blurring out the streamers on your video and replace the stream footage with generic stock footage
and when ask why dont they sponser instead, just say we just gave you 5 bucks...be happy with that
fringe salmon
look im just saying probably nobody at BK ever knew about this, they gave money to the ad agency and just told them to make ads I bet
im not defending the practice, but you should blame the one doing the practice xD
fading spade
Doubt it, the video is / was on the offical burger king youtube channel
and all the accounts they made on twitch was burger king USA
fringe salmon
fading spade
hmmmmmmmmmm
Burger King were aware but maybe only after it happened
but then again
they uploaded the video on their official channel
fringe salmon
in the end they got their moneys worth, just look at you talking about it now when it happend in july and was talked about last month
fading spade
yeah....
hot tartan
Thereās a difference between famous and infamy
If anything Iād stop going to BK after seeing Lanaās post
ornate cedar
it is just bad optics for BK in general. They can afford to properly sponsor some streamers and at least they could not seem like a cheap skate by giving something more. Doubt they have the same purchising power as the average twitch viewer. But still it is not explisitly forbidden, I think. Still, they didnt try much to atleast put themselves in the best light by giving minimal amounts(sponsorship rates are in the hunderds to thousands, from scattered numbers I have seen)/no name actors being paid a (few) hunderds for prominent role in the advert. From a advertising perspective great attempt but hard to justify the greedy/cheapy side.
trim rock
Well that's just the kind of shenanigans that can happen when you let people pay up to put a message on stream
It could have just as well be any rich memer wanting to fuck with people
fading spade
There isn't any laws in place yet that make what they did illegal
But for sure it wasn't morally right and fucked up on many ways
hot tartan
You can sue that memer for brand damage had he not been hired by you to do so
fading spade
Until the law catches up with new technology
Then they could get in legal trouble too
hot tartan
Itās mostly international laws that left wayyyyy in the dust by the world wide internet
At least domestic wise weāre trying (i.e. Facebook)
orchid prism
FOR THE EMPEROR
proper cargo
ship is leaking some kind of moisture in the back. it has heat escape hatches in the back. in space. isnt it generally a bad idea to let anything escape into the void of space?
XD
orchid prism
I mean... they live in a universe where tiny robots are used as currency š
proper cargo
or where you eat them to gain special powers
orchid prism
Dust - I ain't gotta explain shiiiiiit š
keen urchin
Not as good as Spice, but it does in a pinch
proper cargo
š¦
now you make me sad. i cant wait for the new dune games.
spice prolongs life. can be used as a resource for space fuel. and it turns your eyes blue. thats all i know about spice.
bleak pike
@orchid prism 
https://mrpl.me/J12708b_rfP1.mp4
orchid prism
bleak pike
i wanna go bed but my friend is LITERALLY CODING IN THE GAME
ornate cedar
That is called productivity and is a mark of an well oiled machine
red socket
im so confised
proper cargo
so...what should starfield be about?
fringe salmon
space
proper cargo
like no man sky or more like elite dangerous?
fringe salmon
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
proper cargo
that top screenshot vexx posted could as well be taken out of space engineers
feral ferry
Starfield's random
Dunno it doesn't look like Space engineers
But I am guessing it will be Outer Worlds type of game
trim rock
It will be Skyrim with spaceships
proper cargo
i guess we will see when it comes out
if it ever comes out
it was announced back in 2018 right
feral ferry
Announced in 2018
Concepted since 2011 or something
I heard it was concepted in Skyrim era
Also
The images have a high potential to be real
One of them features a badge of sorts feature of the trailer
And the UI font in the leak completely correlates to the Starfield website's one
proper cargo
is there a way to reset your progress in rdr2?
nvm, found it. theres literally an option to start a new game
proper cargo
fallout 4 could have learned from rdr2
the random greetings. interactions. the randomness in general. fallout 4 is just a dream of what it could have been with the settlements.
fringe salmon
5 year old game could learn from newer game, more news at 11 
proper cargo
not that old is it?
rdr2 in 2018. damnit
and fallout in 2015
still. they could learn
fallout 5
novel umbra
skyrim gets 10 next year 
proper cargo
ofcourse that gets celebrated with a re-release š
novel umbra
we already have the alexa version 
next gen version will follow if it hasn't by then obv
proper cargo
obviously. it aint gonna be skyrim if it isnt available everywhere
this is getting rediculous. 10 days past release date and still no stock for the rtx 3080
fringe salmon
What do you think the waver througput is in 10 days? Then reduce that for the fact yields are not 100%, now some cards made form it are 3090 etc.
proper cargo
i dont care quin. they should have better prepared for this. its nvidia we are talking about, not intel.
orchid prism
They should have either postponed the released (the wise thing) or made it obvious stock would be VERY limited at first - Like they kiiiind of did with 3090
Oh and maybe not have handed out cards to "influencers" like it was candy.
I mean... Linus literally got a 3080 to put in his bathroom.
In ADDITION to samples.
proper cargo
i know. gamers nexus and pauls hardware each got about 5 of them to mess with
gib me one!
all they do is tear them apart and then throw them away. thats just so sad.
orchid prism
Naw. They use them for internal builds later.
I know LTT "loans" a lot of stuff out to employees with the expectation that it goes back for any videos that need them.
That's how you skirt needing to sell and get receipts
Taxes? Why? I just borrowed it from work. It isn't mine. wink wink
fringe salmon
and if they dont need them for testing/comparing later on anymore they usually give them away for cheap or donate them
I doubt any of them actually throw it to waste
and I merely explained why there is no stock and why it should've been obvious it cant change in 10 days ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ I agree nvidia should've waited but I can understand why they didn't
orchid prism
[ Everyone will remember that ]
civic shoal
gamers nexus uses and reuses stuff he gets for standardizing his array of benchmarking results, LTT holds onto a good number of things within a few generations as far as i remember
fringe salmon
lies, it's all Steve, his hair just grew so long it turned into human looking clones :p
orchid prism
civic shoal
i think the Paul/Kyle/Jay guys retained stuff for a little too long, but i think they're starting to change that up right now
Jay has a better solution for storing stuff, but i think he's still clearing out when he feels it worthwhile, and i remember that Kyle and Paul had a pretty hefty collection going back pretty far, but i think they've purged it
i know Kyle does auctions on his stuff, or donates it here and there
hot tartan
and I merely explained why there is no stock and why it should've been obvious it cant change in 10 days ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ I agree nvidia should've waited but I can understand why they didn't
Intentional scarcity. Nintendo been doing that for as long as Iām alive
Transparent companies like Wooting with shady tactics are like gems in the middle of the capitalism ocean
fringe salmon
uhh, no, it was a rushed release and thus they didn't have time to stockpile it is what I think, they wanted to be out before amd releases thier
hot tartan
Tbh if they wanted to deal with it they couldāve take hoarders and bots more seriously
Itās not impossible looking at the PS5 by Sony
fringe salmon
yeah and then end up with a still limited stock so people would just be mad at nvidia instead mad at nvidia ANd the bots
it's not like the bots scalped a stock of 5 million gpus
hot tartan
it's not like the bots scalped a stock of 5 million gpus
Most of it sounds about right
Iāve not heard any human got the damn card
Since Iām in r/buildapcsales
People in that sub are very serious about notification timing
If they say āthe stock is gone before they could check outā that means itās almost impossible to order through conventional means
Without automation
fringe salmon
idk, if we have people say local microcenters got like a total of 7 cards as stock on release, I don't see how the stock that bots got is 500 times higher
fringe salmon
you think they sell 7 in store and 5000 online?
it's not like microcenter is a tiny company that gets barely any stock and newegg gets a million
hot tartan
7 out of every micro centers?
fringe salmon
7-10 is what I've seen multiple people say about total stock for their local stores on launch
hot tartan
Yeah youāre only counting one store
Youāre right about it being not small
It has many retails across the country
The number seems small for a single store I do agree tho
But we donāt know how they make deal with NVIDIA
Unless you got insiders
fringe salmon
yes micro center has 25 stores accoring to their website
so if I see multiple people saying their respective microcenters have a stock of 7-10, does it make it likely 5 stores got 7 cards and the other 20 have 500 each?
hot tartan
No the 7-10 sounds right
Thatās what people tell me as well
I can confirm
And that they had to sleep on the street to wait for 5 cards xD
fringe salmon
so it's less than 300 cards for them, when they are to my knowledge one of the biggest chains in the us
hot tartan
Hmmm
Again we donāt know how they deal with NVIDIA
If you say one of the biggest that means thereās Amazon and Newegg above it
On top of my head rn
So to conclude
- They couldāve delayed the stock, which they didnāt
- They couldāve announced on low stock, which they didnāt
- They couldāve taken scalpers more seriously, which they didnāt
fringe salmon
why would you recon they announce they are on low stock, then everyone would question why they didn't wait instead of them being able to play dumb and say they didnt expect all the sick gamersā¢ wanting the cards
hot tartan
But say if they do, they donāt earn any more than theyāre currently
And thatās the reason why they didnāt do all that
Unlike Sony who wants actually human to buy their consoles to earn money off games,
NVIDIA just doesnāt care, as long as it sells
Scarcity creates hype, itās free marketing
And when the people look at the 3080 sold for $2000 on eBay theyāll more willing to pay for the retail price when they do release stock
fringe salmon
I just dont think bots created the issue, it just makes it look better for nvidia, if we compare it to other sales numbers, one sec
hot tartan
^
Exactly
Thatās what Iām saying
NVIDIA doesnāt care about the bots
They donāt support it
fringe salmon
idk about that, I think if there were 0 bots we had about the same ammount of people complain not getting a card
hot tartan
But donāt actually try to kill it off
fringe salmon
https://twitter.com/TechEpiphany/status/1241787632008531968 thats total sales for one of the biggest retailers in germany
hot tartan
idk about that, I think if there were 0 bots we had about the same ammount of people complain not getting a card
Well, by then we wouldnāt have crazy title like ā3080 completely out of stock under 3 minutesā, ā3080 is pretty much sold out from any online stores right nowā wouldnāt we
fringe salmon
in march
2000 cards from either amd/nvidia
and we just figured out microcenter had <300
hot tartan
Would be nice to wait for what AMD have in store
fringe salmon
so lets assume amazon had stock for 1000
hot tartan
They been killing it in CPU department
fringe salmon
that would've still been gone in an instant without bots based on this
hot tartan
That idk
But their CPUs got Intel a run for their money
Actually had to take 9900K on more seriously
Soldered CPU and shit
civic shoal
an insider told me there were ~6000 preorders on the card in North America
fringe salmon
Well, by then we wouldnāt have crazy title like ā3080 completely out of stock under 3 minutesā, ā3080 is pretty much sold out from any online stores right nowā wouldnāt we
@hot tartan based on the mindfactory numbers I think we still would;ve gotten that with 0 bots
hot tartan
True because there will be less people waiting
Low stock gonna sold out thatās out of the question
Itās intentional
Scarcity = out of stock bot or not
The bot problem is whether people can get it or not
And if they canāt get it
Theyāll buy it off eBay for more
an insider told me there were ~6000 preorders on the card in North America
Preorder where
Iād like to preorder real quick too
fringe salmon
like as a consumer I don't like this launch, if I look at it from the eyes of nvidia, this is how they needed to do it, getting better bot protection might've helped, but would people have cared if there is still no stock with it? might've even been bad for pr
hot tartan
Exactly
Thatās why they didnāt care bot or not
Because from company perspective they gain nothing from killing off bot
From consumer perspective, you and me, however
Itās shitty
fringe salmon
also the majority of cards it probably not even sold via nvidias own website, and I dont think its fair to blame nvidia for asus/newegg whoever to not have bot protection?
hot tartan
I in particular donāt really care about 3080 since I have an RTX 2080 Ti
But shit was like this when 2080 Ti came out too
orchid prism
Because from company perspective they gain nothing from killing off bot
@hot tartan If AMD manage to supply cards, they stand to lose some PR at best.
Consumers remember these things.
hot tartan
Consumers remember these things.
The thing is NVIDIA is pretty much undisputed champion right now
And that competition is important
orchid prism
If AMD fails again, then nVidia doesn't have much to worry about š
orchid prism
The 5700XT was/is a great card for the price... but it's going to get beat. And I personally don't expect AMD to match even the 3070 let alone 3080...again
hot tartan
Same thing when they woke Intel the fuck up
fringe salmon
I feel like nvidia having this shit launch is the best indication we can get for AMD having something good
And I personally don't expect AMD to match even the 3070
@orchid prism
hot tartan
Itās repeated Prisonerās Dilema
People prefer to do whatās for their own good, short term
Say, if literally nobody would buy cards off eBay scalpers, the bot problem wouldnāt even exist
Mostly for the people that donāt have problem with spending money for the best, between AMD and a little pricier but better performance NVIDIA they would probably choose NVIDIA
fringe salmon
ok, why are we still on the bot problem, I feel like it exacerbated the issue mentally much more than it actually did š
hot tartan
Itās an obvious example I can think of right now
To show
That unless AMD release better card
Either in term of performance
Or wayyyy out scale bang for the buck
If AMD fails again, then nVidia doesn't have much to worry about š
Then this happens again
As a wise consumer you can probably support the company by buying their card, knowing that they failed
orchid prism
@fringe salmon AMD have lied about their supposed "beating nVidia" too many times.
hot tartan
They then just might have enough money to contest with NVIDIA xD
orchid prism
I'll believe they can match a 3070 when I see reviews š
fringe salmon
ok but that's literally what I'm basing it off, the numbers we have xD I'm looking at the actual numbers we have turing->ampere and rdna1->rdna2
like we know a lot about it from consoles at the hotchips talks
orchid prism
reviews
hot tartan
tough crowd
fringe salmon
so did you not expect the 10% difference between 3080/90 untill a review either? xD because it's the same, math based on what we have
orchid prism
Nothing AMD says is trustworthy at this point.
I will ignore anything coming from them till it's in hand š
fringe salmon
.. I'm not using any numbers from AMD, that would be quite hypocritical if I think ampere marketing was bullshit
hot tartan
@fringe salmon is there any problem with waiting for review?
fringe salmon
no?
I'm just saying we already have some known factors that are not marketing
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15994/hot-chips-2020-live-blog-microsoft-xbox-series-x-system-architecture-600pm-pt like this shows a lot about rdna2
orchid prism
Too many variables and assumptions.
hot tartan
To each of their own right
fringe salmon
hence I'm not saying they will have X performance at Y TDP or anything, I just think that alone shows in what area we can expect the cards
hot tartan
If Mansen prefer to wait for review then he can wait for review
orchid prism
Like I said - AMD has abused the marketing promises too hard, too many times. They could promise me a 750TI equivalent card, and I'd still be skeptical at this point š
orchid prism
It is also not an actual card š
fringe salmon
hence we can make educated estimates from it and not accurate performance @ 40/80 CU
fringe salmon
like you can say it's fair to assume they didn't make it worse than rdna1, so you can extrapolate numbers and apply them from the xbox news and use them to upscale a 5700xt
hot tartan
Don't @ me till they're a real product.
I hope that happens soon because having one company completely dominate the market sucks for customers
fringe otter
I honestly hope AMD release good card, or cards that can at least compete with the 3060/70
Nvidia basically got away with a price increase by beating their overpriced and underwhelming 2000 series
fringe salmon
.. the 5700xt is around the 2070, so for it to not compete with the 3060 they would need to release cards with about 0 changes... I feel like they are doing better than that
fringe otter
Nvidia's pricing is a risky, but calculated move
They know most people are going to buy day one
They don't care if AMD force them to reduce price later on
But, 520ā¬ for a 70 doesn't sit well with me
I really want to wait for the new card from AMD
But, not going to make any assumption until they are actually released to the public
civic shoal
i see 3250, 2650, 2400, but rest is yeah, 1600 or lower, probably average of like 1100?
i've always used rather low DPI for mouse, 800 to 2400, depends on what i'm doing. my monitor is huge, so faster mouse means easier time moving cursor
i'll rarely shoot to like 8k or whatever the max is if i'm frustrated when moving mouse around
drowsy anchor
interesting i didnt know so many good mouse players used lowish sens
almost all the people ive talked to who play mouse generally used higher but yeah it looks like i was wrong about this... my bad for trying to give advice on a playstyle i dont use
civic shoal
it's preference and what you adjust to, really
it's like FPS games, everyone swears by their own DPI, but you never see the mouse flick particularly fast, even tho your best friend will tell you that their new 12k sensor is the shit
and then you watch them play, and it's them dying over and over
drowsy anchor
well osu has mousedrift issues so thats why i recommended high sens
high sens gets less mousedrift
civic shoal
polling rate?
i know in minecraft, the game hated higher polling rates for a while, to a point i could reliably force 1fps by turning
however, if you lowered polling rates, the FPS issues dropped
maybe it's the program registering the movements oddly above or below a certain point
drowsy anchor
nono osu has no issues with input
mouse drift has nothing to do with that
sortof
civic shoal
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hot tartan
Iād take advice from people you actually know over some random stats they got off Twitch tbh
civic shoal
it's still a program input being interpreted, i would think there's some barrier there
hot tartan
drowsy anchor
mouse drift is when your mouse gradually drifts to one side of your mousepad by slight turns and twists because nobody moves their mouse 100% straight
civic shoal
ah
drowsy anchor
the point on your mousepad where your mouse is centered on your screen is drifts around
civic shoal
mhmm
drowsy anchor
and this can cause you to run off your mousepad
civic shoal
yeah, i understand what you're on about now
drowsy anchor
flyingtuna is somewhere on that mouse list you sent
hot tartan
Rip x2000 dream
drowsy anchor
and he swapped to tablet specifically because mouse drift
and got #1 about 2 weeks after switching
lmao
civic shoal
in some cases, yeah
most tools can be strictly better at one thing but be used for other things
doesn't mean they're good at said other things, though
drowsy anchor
well objectively tablet IS better however its not like you cant be super good on mouse
the highest pp score currently was set by a mouse player
hot tartan
Is he on that list?
hot tartan
So people like him
Are weird
Cause he doesnāt use 1080p
So his dpi means differently
drowsy anchor
he plays in his bed with a laptop and a pillow for a mousepad
he literally doesnt have a desk or a mousepad
lmao
civic shoal
some mice track well on random things
hot tartan
Whatās āAreaā column mean
drowsy anchor
my guess is mousepad size
if they were tablet players it would mean their tablet area but for mouse im not 100% sure
drowsy anchor
no clue but hes playing 1024x768 fullscreen so....
hot tartan
Yeah but size matters but Iām just guessing 15.6ā
~600dpi give or take
You can see it slightly change because of lower resolution = less dots
drowsy anchor
fill the background with white if you really want it to look fine
hot tartan
How to fill
Iām too lazy -.-
Anyway if a dude is somehow avoiding mouse drifting on a pillow (wtf?)
And 500hz polling
drowsy anchor
he picks up his mouse many times while playing
hot tartan
Iām uhhh wanna question my life purposes now
Well thatās called recentering
Itās super popular in CSGO too
drowsy anchor
even on his 1200pp record play you can see in the replay theres points where he picks up his mouse if you look really closely
hot tartan
Cause of low sens
Because the moment you bring up drifting I already knew people counter with recentering
drowsy anchor
well in osu you cant do that a lot of the time
the map wont stop for you
in csgo you arent constantly aiming
hot tartan
Itās just I donāt think picking up mouse in a rhythm game is possible (in CSGO you can check corners and reset at your own pace)
Yeah exactly what I thought
So I didnāt say anything
drowsy anchor
well fgsky does it lol
hot tartan
Why logic exists
When this guyās alive
If everybody is like him
Mousepad companies would bankrupt
Wooting is trying to release a mousepad next
Flopped
drowsy anchor
this is his pp record play btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E9xSaAL7Xk on some of the notes where he stops for a sec he recenters but you cant barely see in the replay because theres no handcam
hot tartan
Buy pillow instead
Gaming chair - flopped
So how does he make up for the time he needs to recenter?
drowsy anchor
uh
hard to say
he doesnt recenter during fast jumps or anything
just whenevers theres a slightly slow moment
hot tartan
So when he about to go off pillow he recenters
I have to find a clip of this dude falling off his pillow
Sorry Iām too fixated on the pillow
The amount of soda tho
Is soda secret to god like speed?
He didnāt recenter, he threw his mouse xD
bleak pike
So apparently going offline causes satisfactory to close, noice
fading spade
frosty dew
i'm kinda tripping
keen urchin
So there is this weird game
And it has Render Resolution: 0.8, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5
Why the fuck no 1.0?
ripe tendon
I played something's recently that had that I think
Maybe it was Genshin Impact, can't remember
novel umbra
yes
bleak pike
hnggg
found some old videos
Me playing Halo 4 against others way before it came out
They were running on PCs + early OLED panels.
We managed to get into one of the boxes.
it looked way nicer than release.
trim rock
It just works
feral ferry
The leaker's saying 2021 is targeted release
I find that hard to believe but I can't contain my excitement
I love Bethesda games man
Starfield might be a new favourite of mine
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear Skyrim
wicked latch
What is that game even supposed to be about?
trim rock
Yeah a fresh new IP and all that is exciting
feral ferry
Space RPG
wicked latch
So Skyrim in space
feral ferry
Yup
Rumour was Fallout ~ Skyrim ~ Starfield are interconnected
Skyrim being the past, Fallout the present, Starfield the future
And they will share some lore or something
wicked latch
That makes no sense, because Skyrim literally takes a place on a different planet with literal deities walking on it and shaping it via their power and will.
And Fallout is just an alternate sci-fi from our own planet.
feral ferry
It does make certain sense, but in a way it doesn't
Regardless, it looks like building returns in Starfield
That is very exciting pogU
Inb4 Starfield is just Space Engineers.
That would break my heart
bleak pike
i already lost hope when they said they were using the same engien
feral ferry
I don't really get the hate with the Creation engine
I quite like it
It's literally why I love the game
It's a buggy mess that's just fun
tough jay
The thing is the elder scrolls are not set in our galaxy, so going into space fallout and the elder scrolls can still be connected
bleak pike
It's garbage
The engine is literal garbage
Looks like garbage and runs like garbage
cinder sorrel
I remember a friend saying that he saw a character jump over a branch in outer worlds and the first thing he thought was "this wouldnt be possible in creation engine"
bleak pike
XD
feral ferry
I have never encountered gamebreaking bugs
I have encountered I think a few rare quest bugs
But those were relatively easy to fix
But the worst culprit ever was crashing, and that was due to too many mods
Dunno even Skyrim with 80 mods loaded is relatively.. stable
As long as they are properly mod loaded
But yeah for me Skyrim was always quite generous with how well it ran
Which in return made me love it quite a bit
It's a "Do whatever you want with me" sandbox, and I love such games
feral ferry
Yeaah I can agree with you
FO4 was boring tbh
They had a decent mid game, but you got everything way too easily
Why did they think just allowing you to get power armor out of the box was a good idea?
Just for the Deathclaw fight? Nah
It really killed the game for me, I played for the bit and I was dead bored
Building was great though.
And we are not going to talk about FO76
ornate cedar
But 16 times the detail
feral ferry
ornate cedar
me: sneak 99, guards: cant even
finite flower
Anyone playing Genshin impact? and using controller fine with their wooting lol
willow quiver
@fringe salmon i don't think them having to crunch necessarily leads to the game being bugged enough to not be worth playing tbh
i'll wait and see
fringe salmon
idk, if the studio has to crunch for 6 weeks, when they already had overtime, and even stated they wont do crunch this time?
doesnt sound very promising to me
bc that means everyone needs to crunch and not just some aspects that are lacking some final eye polish
honestly the worst part about it is, that you will probably have slower bugfixes on release bc people just finsihed a idk, 80 hour work week for 6 weeks?
willow quiver
yeah it's far from ideal
small comet
@finite flower wait it released?
orchid prism
This third party service turns MS FS into a proper management/piloting game.
Pricing seems kind of sensible if you're already gamepassing it.
finite flower
@small comet yep it released on 28th
Its Xinput scheme is all messed up though lol its very CPU heavy also.
small comet
@finite flower downloading... sad its slow as heck
proper cargo
why is mansen also a pinky now?
drowsy anchor
mansen overthrew the tyranny and became admin himself
bleak pike
Omg itās beautiful https://youtu.be/hT6SnyPugz4
ornate cedar
Cold war is boring sequel, constantly hinting a war but never delivering 6/10 -geneva convention
proper cargo
they probably needs another crazy russian to spice up the story
ornate cedar
with their ak47
bleak pike
Iām quite excited
proper cargo
personally, i hope they will add the ak 74U again. that was 1 overpowered gun on black ops 1.
will probably get more balanced in this one tho
weak cypress
Out of context that reads like some sort of commentary on global politics.
What's wrong with KF2 though?
That doesn't really warrant a sequel.
fringe salmon
from friends that played it it seems like they did fairly bad jobs with the last couple updates
weak cypress
I wouldn't really call it horror.
novel umbra
KF2 is a horror game now?
weak cypress
Dunno.
novel umbra
wtf
weak cypress
It plays with horror tropes, but it feels like a co-op survival.
novel umbra
the animations in that game in general
absolute bliss
don't think I have seen any other games with gun and reload animations as good
weak cypress
It doesn't need a sequel just yet.
novel umbra
ye
idk what a sequel should give
new maps, characters and enemies?
weapons?
all of that is stuff for updates
which they have already done
engine etc in that game is still good
and well yea there are better effects by now
but that doesn't mean it needs an update
that would mean most games need sequel at launch
just because there are games that run and look better
fringe salmon
helping out the mess that is chivalry 2 bc they are publishing it
weak cypress
Or KF3.
fallow bronze
kf?
fringe salmon
kfc 
novel umbra
weak cypress
It would be interesting to imagine what would be in KF3.
fallow bronze
the fduck is kf
weak cypress
They can sort of do that with the objectives.
weak cypress
AI director would be nice, the wave format is pretty tiring.
novel umbra
where you don't just have a loop that is kill zed buy bigger wep
weak cypress
They have maps like Voltor's Manor, but that's still the waves thing.
ornate cedar
heartrate of 200 or bust
novel umbra
would be a cool idea
but wouldn't work with different people unfortuantley
they could analyze how jittery your aim is
ornate cedar
average heartrate when you fall into the lava lakes of the nether
ornate cedar
yup that is lava and there is only lava under me... and ofcourse the fire resistance potion is nowehere on me
fringe salmon
last E3 tripwire only said they are working on stuff but not what right? almost posted something that might be not released yet lol
novel umbra
shark game dlc
fringe salmon
I know the guy who till recently was tripwires lead progger but I dont care about their games so it was mostly technical stuff we talked about but I guess some examples must be from stuff not yet released xD oops
craggy lichen
Guys they added Minecraft Steve to smash
I don't know what to say of this news, but I certainly am surprised
slim token
was so surprised this morning i had no words
weak cypress
Not added yet, just announced.
craggy lichen
I had no words for a while, but after a while I can say that I am pleased with Steve being in smash and not Goku
Especially since Steve is actually from a fucking videogame
weak cypress
@fading spade And Ridley is too big for Smash.
fading spade
who
weak cypress
Sexual deviant space dragon.
fading spade
O.o
ornate cedar
350
fading spade
bleak pike
i dont think this is gonna work https://mrpl.me/i62741b_rfg0.jpg
placid garden
what in the hell is that pipework
fading spade
This pc can generate a normal Minecraft world in ten seconds
HOLY SHIT THIS SSD IS FAST
bleak pike
@fading spade nvme
fading spade
Yep
fading spade
Wat
orchid prism
fringe salmon
then change the settings so it does
fringe salmon
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ sounds like it could be a linux thing then
fading spade
Wait it fixed itself when I rebooted
fringe salmon
ah yes, Quake-torio
fading spade
I love this <3
Shaders are beautiful
I have sildur extreme and it's not laggy
Agagahahahaa
placid garden
what type of art did you make
power lines going left, right and center, and the noodle-like pipes going everywhere 
drowsy anchor
i have a couple osu songs downloaded
orchid prism
drowsy anchor
well its every ranked/loved map and a ton of unranked but not nearly all unranked
theres just a bit over 1 million maps
orchid prism
Oh lovely... once again good PCs get punished for bad engines. Stuttering at +60FPS š
fringe salmon
thank god 60 fps is enough for VR right?
tough jay
frostbite should not have issues with higher frame rates, at least I don't think other frostbyte games do.
fringe salmon
that's accurate, frostbite has just issues in general
tough jay
Regardless I consider it pretty much standard that pc games work fine at at least 144fps
fringe salmon
especially if you market it as VR, and if it appears to be made as a VR game first, then made playable without VR after
tough jay
Especially that. As for frostbite having issues, it can be difficult to separate engine issues with issues from the implementation on closed of in-house engines.
I do not doubt that it will have it's flaws / issues, but I don't think this is one of them, or at least not one I heard of in other frostbite games.
fringe salmon
with how much so many devs seem to hate it, I just am not surprised by any issues coming from it
tough jay
It was originally ment to be an internal engine for DICE. Mostly aimed at pushing graphics and animations.
My guess would be it's pretty complex and technical to work with
fringe salmon
imo the main issue is that it's being stretched to be used like unity/unreal for basically anything, when I don't think it was started as a general purpose engine
tough jay
It started as en engine specifically for Battlefield yes, granted the things battlefield need to do are somewhat wide but still.
I would say this game is not behond the scope of what the engine is meant to do mostly.
fringe salmon
from what I read, it seems to be mostly hurt from (probably marketing) deciding to not have it a VR only game to maximize sales
valve have shown with Alyx that there is valid reason to have it VR only if you want to make it great
tough jay
Makes sence, the game has no need to be vr only. I think any flying game benefit's from supporting vr but not requiring vr.
fringe salmon
idk, if you focus on it you can ignore some things and spend more time on other parts, if you got both you need more time to make sure the non vr experience also feels great etc.
someone at work has like a full setup with HOTAS warthog etc. so I'm just waiting for them to tell me how it is in a few weeks
tough jay
I think they should never have aimed for VR only.
fringe salmon
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ maybe
tough jay
I just have a joystick (T16000m), I may play it at some point but I am certianly not going to play at launch.
fringe salmon
I'm excited for medal of honor VR, that one looked good
tough jay
VR only makes sense for games that try to do things that don't work as well outside vr. Flying is just something enhanced by VR and head tracking in general.
I don't have a vr set, I just cannot see myself using it enough to be worth it.
fringe salmon
for me it was worth it for either Alyx or beat saber honestly lul
tough jay
Maybe at some point, if the valve index drops in price or something like that.
fringe salmon
more interresting is who will pick up the spot that oculus made
with dropping the Rift series, going full non-cable and facebook requirement
if Pimax can get some big name behind it maybe, then they can extend to lower price ranges perhaps
trim rock
Seems weird that the release version still has that weird framerate issue that plagued the tech test
oh well bugs? WE AIN'T GONNA FIX THOSE
tough jay
I would love it if vr sets would be something with more manufacturers just directly competing on price and hardware.
Eye tracking on vr would also be a game changer, as suddenly higher resolutions and refresh rates would be a lot less bottlenecked.
fringe salmon
meh, used to think so too, but imo there is too much delay still, and general foveated rendering + smart scaling doesn close to the same
tough jay
I do think proper eye tracking could be very far away, as I assume the main reason it's not used is that it's rather difficult to properly implement.
fringe salmon
nah it's fairly easy and works quite well
we have a vive pro with eye tracker at work, takes no time to calibrate and just works
just costs a hefty premium
tough jay
anyway It's really time for me to go to bed.
hot tartan
Hereās to never finish any game ever
fading spade
... That's too true
quartz zodiac
i think the issue is
i play a game like re3r and get through the main part of the game really quickly and have no motivation to backtrack and get all the collectibles
it's a lot easier in RE5 because of how segmented it is you can just go back and run a mission
hot tartan
@quartz zodiac say no more. Youāre one of us
āEfficient peopleā
For the other types of player that focus on main story: thereās also one type that will eventually go back, but most of them just want the game over with
And never come back to it again
slim token
yooooo cave update confirmed mc
ornate cedar
caves are useless anyways, stripmining the unbreaking diamond/netherite pickaxe is more efficient
caves are a distraction, ravines are creeper dropppers into lava
I think my current world has three ravines connected to eachother at lava level, pretty epic
feeds my obsidian obsession
frosty dew
i dont really like caves either. always felt there way too many
ornate cedar
also cave generation cuts into the diamond ore
eh, i dunno about this one.. seems a little op for underground bases
oh no, landmines are going to be a thing again
frosty dew
landmines?
ornate cedar
yea, the update contains some vibration/footstep sensing ability
so, pressureplates, tripwires or mob-powered traps are deprecated if this can phase through dirt
frosty dew
wat?
slim token
you know youre fucked when steve learns to grab others
bleak pike
ornate cedar
gamey not likey
fading spade
what game
bleak pike
@fading spade Minecraft
fading spade
shhhh
feral ferry
1.17, the first release of the Caves & Cliffs update, is an upcoming major update to Java Edition set to release in mid-2021. It was first announced during Minecraft Live 2020 on October 3, 2020.
Excuse me what the fuck
There is no damn way Minecraft takes that long to develop few additions
shell willow
Mid 2021 sounds like March
M$ has to worry about making the next-gen versions as well
fringe salmon
cross compatibility, beta testing with feedback from snapshots, making sure it doesnt break mods entirely, they are not only working on that etc.
sounds like a fair timetable
slim token
when the nether update was announced, there were many features in the final version that were not announced in the reveal
they are certainly working on more than they showed
wheat kraken
HAHAHAH
Vexx
Vexx friend
You don't remember fucking that 1.14 took like... about the same amount of time to come out
or what was it
the nether update?
feral ferry
Village and Pillage?
The update that afaik STILL isn't fully complete?
Dunno to me it seems Mojang are just slacking off
Modders do their job better much faster
frosty dew
modders dont have to worry as much about optimal coding, and making it in a way that works well implemented
shell willow
You know what happens when you get modders to make official updates? L4D2 Last Stand. Fucking trainwreck.
They had 11 months
orchid prism
What's so trainwreck about it?
shell willow
https://m.imgur.co m/a/NDxPyJQ
Also the patch notes outright lie and there's many many stealth changes
And they completely broke modding
The official modding suite no longer works. Have fun brute forcing Crowbar
orchid prism
I think the real issue here is lack of QC on Valve's part, not the modders š
shell willow
No, it's completely their fault. They tried to shove their dumb idea of a promod down our throats without any regard for if that's what we wanted or if it worked at all
Their attitude is apparent in the Imgur album
orchid prism
...again. Valve signed off on the idea AND the data.
Plenty of games that are 100% run by community modders without issues š
shell willow
Oh and instead of fixing the actual bugs their updates blocked updated versions of mods like vocalizers
Thanks, I'm not updating my mods for this trainwreck
fringe salmon
lul imagine valve to do any more effort than just updating the game with the patch they get
orchid prism
So rollback.
shell willow
That's what I want
I didn't ask for stupid shit like nerfing the Hunting Rifle to oblivion or making Tanks completely stupid and liable to get stuck in walls
Well I know Jaiz well enough. His crap admining and attitude drove L4D2Maps to the brink of extinction. And now his crap directing of the patch is going to drive L4D2 itself to the brink of extinction.
fringe salmon
there's also a unofficial TF2 patch that people hoped valve would implement if this one goes smooth..
dont think it will happen now lmao
shell willow
On the bright side at least they can't ruin other mods, they'll just ruin the game instead
fringe salmon
slim token
what would you add to the 1.14 update?
bleak pike
for fuck sake my speakers were on when i played that video
now everyon heard a loud as anime holo thing
idk what they are caleld
ornate cedar
Cringe
left crane
anyone csgo plz we need 1
orchid prism
Doubtful.
Even with just 2D menus open, I think it tops out at a couple of thousand?
frosty dew
i'm frustrated.
is there really nowhere any guide for the quest line of the anno 1800 DLC sunken treasures?
feral ferry
No it fluctuates anywhere from 100 rarely, to few thousand most of the time, and at some places 30-40k
Better readout
trim rock
sounds like a bug then since the 7 ms is probably the frametime
fringe salmon
does sound like bethesda math
drowsy anchor
308k fps but 6ms lmao
fossil solar
Youāve heard negative latency
Now get ready for negative fps
Time is a construct
bleak pike
Damn.... https://youtu.be/DBvZ2Iqmm3M
They are literally using current mods in the game native, thatās great.
feral ferry
Which is why I never liked Mojang's development direction
Minecraft is literally like Skyrim
On life support by modders
They should optimize their platform and development tools for 3rd parties to use, not add actual content
fringe salmon
I think I've never heard someone complain about a company adding content to their game
till now
drowsy anchor
uh what they dont even force updates
not sure what youre complaining about
unless youre just saying you want them to add different things first
orchid prism
smol map
feral ferry
Yeah CP2077 does look quite small
Then again that's just the night city
They mentioned some outskirts will be playable
And from the early gameplay, the outskirts seem to be relatively vast
If that is Night City, then the open world isn't actually that small
orchid prism
The wastelands looks tiny given that map.
Especially Pacifica. Those are the greenhouse things from an earlier trailer?
fossil solar
Itās smol but itās got huge verticality
orchid prism
Define...verticality in a desert xD
fossil solar
In the city
The outskirts isnāt pictured on that poster
A lot of modern AAA games maps are basically a big ol empty plane of nothing
fossil solar
Idk verticality is better than sheer footprint
feral ferry
Not great for flying
fossil solar
You can drive aimlessly around the outskirts while listening to the radio still
quartz zodiac
is that mad max
orchid prism
Cyberpunk
quartz zodiac
coulda fooled me
bleak pike
Whenās it coming out again
fringe salmon
"this year"
fringe salmon
release ye, nice playable experience? ehhhhhhhhhhhh
fossil solar
I have faith in CDPR
fossil solar
I mean they delayed the game twice already
fringe salmon
yeah and chose a date clearly influenced by circumstances rather than when they actually think its done
clearly related to gpu/console releases now and they cant delay it anymore bc they now have obligations with also having money in them from the polish government etc.
fossil solar
Idk if itās related to GPU/Console releases since the game is still going to launch for the XBX and PS4 and will have to be run in compatibility mode on the new consoles. Theyāve been hyping up RTX in the game since 4 months ago. They even released a limited edition 2080Ti. I do agree that itās very likely they wonāt be able to further delay the game because investors will probably get mad.
I mean itās hard to say whether or not they were aware of 30xx during development but the recommended specs suggests no
fringe salmon
when they last had to delay it, they chose this date, knowing very well when gpus/consoles would launch
so now they cant delay it again bc that is too much marketing power to ignore
fossil solar
Idk if NVIDIA or Microsoft would share that much information, but I suppose itās not impossible and would be beneficial to NVIDIA and Microsoft
fringe salmon
I mean it was almost known to the public at that time, and they have people working with nvidia directly so that wouldn't be a stretch by any imagination
same for MS/Sony
fossil solar
What was almost known to the public?
fringe salmon
when exactly we get 30 series/amd cards
fossil solar
Must have missed that in my timelines
fringe salmon
they didn't make a PR release ofc, but we knew stuff like HotChips talk about the xbox chip would be before release and when that talk is, nvidia showed their orion chips/first ampere type cards for data center so you could easily piece it together from known dates for stuff
and again, that's all data you can easily find without being in a position where you have a NDA that tells you more stuff
fossil solar
I mean the only that that was widely known is that the new consoles would drop by christmas 2020
fringe salmon
hence I said "almost known to the public" :p
bc it was as known as it could be without them making an official statement
fossil solar
I donāt think GPU launch dates were widely known and āby Christmasā is still a pretty wide time frame. I just think youāre probably overthinking it a bit
fringe salmon
what I mean is that cdpr 100% knew, or at least those who decided on the new date
fossil solar
Maybe, but at least itās pretty unlikely for them to delay a third time now
Or that big āNovember 19ā poster outside of their office is going to look mighty silly
fringe salmon
my entire point was that it's basically impossible for them to delay it anymore, even if it would be better or not :p
fading spade
i just wanna play ;-;
slim token
lamo distance vr is something
fading spade
IKR!!!!
fossil solar
my entire point was that it's basically impossible for them to delay it anymore, even if it would be better or not :p
@fringe salmon that was my point too kek
fossil solar
Not even RTX smh
fading spade
Xd
ornate cedar
The mapsize of 77 seems fine.. much better to have a dense map with interrestig thing everywhere than litterly having to walk/drive somewhere for minutes
shell willow
If anyone suddenly wants to buy a PS4 and associated games I'm selling
fringe salmon
I have 3$
shell willow
Meh it's more than what GameStop will give me
ashen lark
You give it to me for free
feral ferry
Fuck off Snape you are dead
feral ferry
Shouldn't have trusted the Malfoy family you dumbnut
@shell willow
fading spade
Snape Snape, Severus Snape
feral ferry
Severus Snape got bit by a Snake, Nagini sends her regards, you old drake
fringe salmon
.. then why is there a 6 week crunch time if its gold?
orchid prism
Because gold doesn't mean finished - It means "sent to print".
Remember those day 1 patches? That's between now and release date.
This is why you sometimes on rare occasions see really weird behaviour or cut content if you get a console copy before release that boots up.
fringe salmon
right so it means nothing lmao
fringe salmon
ok yeah, I meant in terms of what it says about the state of the game, but fair point
orchid prism
Yeah it's always a bit of a gamble what's on a gold disc compared to day 1 release.
tough jay
I am certainly not going to get a game like this at launch. I'd rather play a better version often for less money later down the track. It's not like I am running out of things to play anytime soon.
orchid prism
Not in a rush either - But if I review it, I review it.
feral ferry
In your face @fringe salmon
fringe salmon
?
feral ferry
Cyberpunk 2077 has officially gone Gold
orchid prism
Scroll up half a page š
fringe salmon
^
feral ferry
Fuck
Would have seen it if it wasn't for Android
But yeah the game going gold is great
No further delays
orchid prism
feral ferry
From now on it's marketing and extra content
fringe salmon
lol if only that were the case
feral ferry
And obviously working on a day 1 patch
orchid prism
š
fringe salmon
you wouldn't need a 6 week crunch if it's only extra content
feral ferry
All the negativity
Yeah it's definitely getting extra polish
Polish doing some polish
People have voiced some concerns for certain animations not being great, so that will be fixed during crunch
But who cares, devs will be handsomely compensated
fringe salmon
who cares? me, I want to buy the game and enjoy it and without crunch the product would be better I can tell you that
I'd love it if crunch, especially mandatory over a longer time just goes away completely
feral ferry
I don't think the fact they declared crunch should raise any red flags
If anything it's a crunchy 1.5 month period before release to completely iron out the product
Going gold means that effectively, crunch shouldn't mean much to the devs
Sure they'll work longer, but get paid a fuck ton more
fringe salmon
going gold meant literally nothing in that regard
feral ferry
They have the finished product
fringe salmon
"finished"
feral ferry
From now it's bugfixes
Gold product is literally the final product
The one that they will ship
Crunch is for bugs and shit
And extra content
Day 1 patch typically
lone oasis
@vital wyvern play Among Us with me
bleak pike
@lone oasis play Among Us with me
ornate cedar
nein
bleak pike
The game literally hates colorblind people
novel umbra
lol
ornate cedar
I mean, technically I have coloranomaly with that dots test. Dont notice it much during day to day, weird thing
ornate cedar
Just say no u
100% effective
all the playyard kids will be amazed by the fact and logic
ornate cedar
red-green feckd up?
ornate cedar
Like grayscale?
ornate cedar
my granddad is completely colourblind, could only see gray-tints so had to guess colours on the lumenence
or just basic facts like the red light being at the bottom
I just have shifted red-green so they somewhat seem similair. but hard to notice really
lucky, i guess
bleak pike
Dont even own it haha
ornate cedar
heard that, you got disowned
ornate cedar
i am the media and I make the narritive
bleak pike
cos im a cheapskate
ornate cedar
you are now angry
bleak pike
ornate cedar
lone oasis
ornate cedar
very nice
orchid prism
Not super fast. I transfer with about that speed over network to my HDD NAS š
fading spade
its 300 currently
orchid prism
fading spade
40GB transfered already xd
I bet it would be faster if I was connected with USB 3
cause its a really fast ssd
small comet
wha
i just noticed its not mb/s
lol
so u max out around 400mbit/s
which most adapters dont even do
feral ferry
bleak pike
Did people ask for this?
feral ferry
I did want Most Wanted remastered, but not this
tough jay
Underground 1 / 2 could use a remaster as well
mighty lion
@bleak pike nope not really i looked at it thought it was a snooze fest i'll get it free through origin play pro but so far its not looking like its even worth my bandwith what i've been wanting is a nfsu 1 remaster with a better open world and cops
once the hypercars got added in mw and carbon it got kinda boring
ornate cedar
but car goes brrrrrr
mighty lion
zzzzzzzzz
ornate cedar
now with added brrr factor by adding another cyllinder of horses
mighty lion
not much you can do to the outside of a ferrari or a lambo so kinda boring tbh
mighty lion
what i'd like the most but most likely wont happen is a remaster of midnight club on pc
mighty lion
the customization in that game was amazing
lone oasis
@lone oasis nope
@vital wyvern
Why not š©
lone oasis
Super sus
ornate cedar
Lets just watch him next round. If no kill we vote him off anyways
bleak pike
ye
fading spade
Been so long since I played this <3
I wanna get the new version but its Windows only -.-
They promised Linux once beta was over but that was a lie
ornate cedar
fringe salmon
it was bc EAC was used in the game right?
fringe salmon
apparently so, so not really on them
ornate cedar
Anti-cheat is a joke