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#🎮│game
dense pond
I'd still prefer having not-so blatant cheaters than blatant ones imo.
Even if that costs removing the AC.
dense pond
Yes but non-blatant ones just make you think you're up against someone who is really good.
Which at the end of the day is the same thing to me.
fringe salmon
ah yes, giving no fucks about integrity, good mindset for a competetive game
fringe salmon
so you value integrity less than AC software, got it
novel umbra
at that point the game will get FLOODED with cheaters
because any idiot can hook CE and attach a stupid table to it
dense pond
So I don't see how it could get worse.
novel umbra
not having one at all would
fringe salmon
yeah I doubt they really do much to develop VAC in tf2
dense pond
Serverside anticheats could probably get a bunch
novel umbra
TF2 and cs develop simultanesously
dense pond
^
novel umbra
tf2 just doesn't get trust factor
fringe salmon
sure for some parts its similar, but there are things thats only exists/are handled different in netcode so unless they specifically change it for tf2 it wont matter bc it will never be adjusted in cs
novel umbra
nah
you can assume that almost any tf2 cheat will be based on a cs cheat
cause if it works in one it'll work in the other
one is just way more popular
dense pond
I mean
You have to remember the game are made on source engine.
Even if it's Source 1/Source 2.
So it makes sense one would work in another.
fringe salmon
nah in the source code leak you could see they already had some stuff handled differently in regards to netcode, so it doesn't work the same way in both
fringe salmon
btw while we are on the topic of tf2
novel umbra
where cheaters could do ANYTHING
dense pond
@novel umbra Part of the problem is clientside shit that shouldn't be on the clientside.
For example, the client shouldn't have the ability to change their HP from their side, if that makes any sense.
fringe salmon
stuff like that is bad coding obviously, but there are other parts that are hard to fully do serverside without introducing either bad or abuseable lag compensation etc.
dense pond
There's nothing you can do about that.
And yeah you're also right Quintosh
But I mean at the end of the day, I guess what your values are is what your selection will be.
Also gonna back-pedal for a bit
You said PvP/competitive games need AC's
Not all of them do. For example, turn based or stuff of the like.
fringe salmon
mhhh dpends on what exaclty the game is
ever in turn based stuff if, like just mentioned, you need to push some calculations to client side that could be hijacked to learn info etc. it's still needed
dense pond
Well I mean it's turn based right
fringe salmon
but like hearthstone, no doesnt need one
dense pond
Those games tend to go slow anyway
So why not just do the math on the server while the timer slowly ticks down?
dense pond
That's dumb.
fringe salmon
it was no specific example bc I cant think of many turn based competetive games really, or any that have an anticheat without reason
novel umbra
it used to be one second
publically it is 1 second afaik
I just know that someone did up to 10 in a private one
dense pond
Ergh.
We also wouldn't need lag compensation to begin with if people had good internet, however, that is not currently possible.
And if people also were put into their designated locations for servers.
dense pond
Like I said
Not possible
Also that's getting into political side of things.
Internet is pretty much needed nowadays to live, but, governments will be governments.
dense pond
Well it would also be better if the majority of the gov wasn't +40 years older than the majority.
novel umbra
the german government would fund it
but if the telekom says that it isn;t possible then that must be the case
so the telekom gets to open up our roads twice
once for copper and vectoring
and once for fiber
vectoring is THE worst btw
dense pond
What about LTE internet
novel umbra
nice joke
dense pond
Probably god awful latency but
novel umbra
my dad had that 5 years ago
30gb data cap
affected a lot by weather
speeds are varying a lot in general
novel umbra
data refills were 10 euros
30gb was the biggest amount offered by the telekom at that time btw
went down to 10 iirc
fringe salmon
yea its surprising how shit mobile is, given we are this far ahead of the us in regards of datacaps on normal connections lmao
novel umbra
O2 had 300gb a couple of years ago
dense pond
Not to mention you guys aren't tinfoils
dense pond
Datacaps shouldn't even be a thing
novel umbra
yup
they were illegal for a while
but it was ruled that wireless connections are not affected
dense pond
Slowed speeds make sense as the bandwith can indeed be "maximed"
dense pond
But datacaps? Fuck dat
novel umbra
I mean
they are slowed after that
but like
SLOWED
unusable
even opening a modern website takes ages
dense pond
No but jokes aside
Lag compensation wouldn't need to exist if infrastructure problems were resolved.
novel umbra
lol
nah
ISPs are concerned on how to create more
like I could go on for long on why the telekom is terrible
not only are they delaying their own tech
but also prohibiting others from fully using theirs
dense pond
Yup, sounds like capitalism.
proper cargo
Am i too european to understand bad internet?
fringe salmon
germany is not in the eu? 
fringe salmon
no data cap is really surprising based on the rest of the standard we have tbh
I think that paints it a lot more favorably than it is really
orchid prism
Gotta love that fiber.
fringe salmon
average speed means jack shit if you have terrible latency everywhere
bleak pike
Like?
fringe salmon
?
novel umbra
average speed in germany might be higher
actual average speed is not that high though
since vectoring kicks in
tough jay
oh well, the internet here on my parrents appartment in the alps also is not that great: https://www.speedtest.net/result/9843150520.png
Only the view is a bit better:
bleak pike
better than loads of people i know in normal towns
xD
also can i come visit your parents apartment? 😍
tough jay
ADSL in france is also really cheap like 25 euro's a month including tv
and phone which we have no need to even connect
frosty dew
i got 50 Mbits down (b = bits; B = Bytes) and 10 Mbits up
That's well above average around this area.
I live south of Frankfurt (Main) my latency to alot of the Frankfurt servers is usually single digit. so i cant fully complain about that.
and a lot of games and other services tend to have a server in Frankfurt....
allthough my aunt has a 100Mbits connection "as default" but she lives in one of the three major cities of Germany... so that's not exactly the standard nationwide
oh, also we pay around 50€ a month for our connection here.
meager crown
I made Nether go above y=127 (up to the world limit) without mods
It's missing foliage in forests and soul sand valleys due to a bug but if you want to test, dump the pack when creating a world
trim rock
Makes sense since you don't have to pay for gold on Windows 10
ripe tendon
I never did understand that
Don't you even have to pay twice for stuff like FFXIV? or is it the FF sub only?
novel umbra
oh ok
small comet
only if it uses sony servers
fading spade
small comet
i see people still play monster energy drinking simulator
fading spade
lel
fading spade
XD
true
fading spade
fading spade
That's some shitty clickbaiting
fading spade
time to get creative with death messages for Distance
lime smelt
weak cypress
@fading spade Have you played Screencheat?
fading spade
Played, no
Know what it is, yes
novel umbra
fml
just wanted to play torchlight II
and forgot it has that arbitrary 10 mod limit
and that to bypass it you have to load each mod on it's own into their modding tool
fringe salmon
novel umbra
so until you can start playing you have to prepare for an hour
just because that modding tool needs to unpack all game data
until you can start using it
fringe salmon
ye game with great potetnial but that potenital got wasted, same with tl3 again
keen urchin
Wasn't TL3 supposed to be an MMO, but they canned that and tried to recycle the game as a single player/co-op experience?
I wish Kingdom's of Amalur Re-Reckoning would get a 2-player co-op mode
Honestly, there need to be more good RPG experiences with Co-op in general
fading spade
wheat kraken
what
fading spade
:')
fading spade
wont ban VM users
Will ban VM users
Uh...
novel umbra
how is that bullshit?
dense pond
They say 90%.
novel umbra
do you have better data than them?
dense pond
That's a lie mate.
fringe salmon
90% in that game
fringe salmon
^
dense pond
Common sense should be enough
fading spade
🤔 FUCK YOU BATTLE EYE
fringe salmon
lana thats a fake account ffs
dense pond
^
fading spade
this post is fake then?
fringe salmon
no
fading spade
the top one?
fringe salmon
you linked a fake accounts comment
fading spade
same name tho
dense pond
correct
fading spade
and icon
fringe salmon
not the same name
trim rock
Look very closely
dense pond
The name isn't the same
fading spade
wat
fringe salmon
common sense should tell you there are not many linux users, but quite a lot of cheaters so its easy to get a 10:90 ratio
dense pond
fringe salmon
esp on a game like EFT
fading spade
?
trim rock
It's the old classic trick of using an upper case I to look like a lower case L
fringe salmon
capital i vs l
fringe salmon
also you can click on it and see its got a lot less followers
dense pond
Easier to see with different fonts
fringe salmon
or that it didnt't create a thread from a direct reply
anyway, nothing new in their comments
fading spade
^^
dense pond
2017 they were asking for help 
novel umbra
not sure if EAC is more popular
dense pond
fuxk
novel umbra
same shit anyways
fading spade
is there one that is used more often?
@fringe salmon More used != better
dense pond
true that
novel umbra
btw
fringe salmon
ok which anti cheat is better?
novel umbra
still unpacking TL2 mods
fading spade
VAC ;')
fringe salmon
if they all suck then its still not wrong if one claims to suck the least
wheat kraken
Anti-cheat that must be installed onto a PC is basically a legal form of a rootkit
fringe salmon
no?
dense pond
"legal"
Doubt
Not rootkit, but spyware for sure.
Unless it's valorant's AC we are talking about
orchid prism
Or Denuvo :3
fringe salmon
yes but that doesnt automatically makes all of them work the same ?
orchid prism
Sony set the gold standard for shitty DRM for sure 😄
fringe salmon
yes there are bad anti cheats, both in UX and effectiveness
doesnt change you need client side AC in multiple games like EFT, R6 csgo etc.
orchid prism
VAC - The game guard that bans you for using stand alone mods 😄
wheat kraken
I just make it really by not playing games that require them
dense pond
So basically no PvP games then
Or PvP games with the AC off and locally hosted servers.
keen urchin
That's why I don't want these things installed on my system
Denuvo/anti-cheats are a big black box of unknown with access to everything?
wheat kraken
You were right the first time friend
fringe salmon
you can ignore them and not play them, doesnt change that if someone wants to play such a game its needed bc cheaters are just everywhere
fading spade
what does our device do?
Havent decided yet
dense pond
I mean battleye and vac are known to look at cached DNS records.
fading spade
O.o
fringe salmon
anyway, the ammount of people who prefer cheaters runnign wild even more than they already are just to not have an AC installed is lower than the linux userbase of any game I bet
wheat kraken
oh i just don't play those kinds of games because I don't like them
I'm not a competitive fps person
keen urchin
If users can cheat in your game, isn't that simply because your netcode is bad?
dense pond
Yesn't
keen urchin
Handle stuff that's at risk server-side
dense pond
Cheats like ESP, aimbots, triggerbots, etc
That you can't block.
Lag compensation, teleportation, godmode, that you can block.
fringe salmon
depends
keen urchin
If an aimbot is useful in your game, you should rework that
dense pond
Unless you literally have sv_cheats 1
fringe salmon
in regards to lag compensation
fading spade
I also see oranges
fringe salmon
bc you need to weigh in doing non-abuseable compensation vs abuseable that makes the game better to play for people etc.
dense pond
Well I mean the first thing you could do is turn off people's ability to use interp and stuff of the like
cough cough volvo
keen urchin
Lag compensation is bullshit
They always introduce some form of disadvantage to players with low ping
fringe salmon
ehh, that sounds great in theory but isnt really possible with how internet works around the world imo
fading spade
im glad you need it, fish scientist
fringe salmon
interp etc. gives you the option to adjust it better to your connection, and in most cases imo outweighs the possibility to abuse it
dense pond
You need to actually be there.
For sure
But most people bitch about it
Even I bitch about it
Specifically spies.
Fuck spies.
fringe salmon
but tbf that was when ambassador was still a weapon and not a water pistol
dense pond
amby was never good
keen urchin
Has there ever been a game doing lag compensation right?
dense pond
or well
fringe salmon
recently it was more of a soldier main bc rocketjumping is fun
dense pond
most people didn't know how to use it correctly
fringe salmon
it was broken lmao 102 dmg as spy on unlimited range? shit was dumb
fringe salmon
yeah because all the good spy mains are/were from eu lmao
still getting ptsd from deox
fringe salmon
sorry I dont baguette very well
novel umbra
If an aimbot is useful in your game, you should rework that
@keen urchin that is the stupidest comment I have heard on that topic
fringe salmon
lmao
dense pond
I mean
Like it or not
He does have a point
You could rework your game to make aimbots useless.
dense pond
No but you can make them less effective.
fringe salmon
I mean yea, if you take the shooting out of csgo and you need to knive/grenade people to death
novel umbra
wowee
you can make grenade throwing bots though
and ones to knife as soon as posible
fringe salmon
ya but thats not aimbot anymore
dense pond
For example, don't make headshots count 500 dmg or some other nonsense.
novel umbra
it still kinda is
fringe salmon
I guess
dense pond
This discussion is rarted.
novel umbra
melee only ig
dense pond
Aimbot exists for that too
novel umbra
If an aimbot is useful in your game, you should rework that
wheat kraken
@novel umbra that sounds like some salt
keen urchin
Why not work with player mobility, projectile velocities and tells to allow an opponent to dodge?
keen urchin
Bamn, aimbot useless
wheat kraken
no i meant the twitter post
dense pond
projectile aimbots exist too fyi
novel umbra
oh
yea
cause the competitive scene switches to controllers
just to abuse the aimbots
dense pond
cough cough fartnite
novel umbra
same happened in fortnite
fringe salmon
you can only really take cheats away if you take skill away
novel umbra
yes
dense pond
Yes
fringe salmon
.... tino please
novel umbra
pretty big actually
fringe salmon
its one of the biggest esports
novel umbra
fortnite actually has a lot of competitive elements to it
keen urchin
So, devs build games where aimbots are useful on purpose, to allow for controller players to actually hit something? Good going
novel umbra
which makes it even worse
novel umbra
@keen urchin there are aimbots for quake
dense pond
Just don't play games.
novel umbra
that is the exact opposite
projectile based weapons
no headshots
still aimbots
still very effective
dense pond
Also, people still use aimbots in PvE games
Just saying
Example : MvM in TF2. People use aimbots for that.
keen urchin
Are there tells, dodges, parries in Quake?
novel umbra
yo ucan dodge in quake
if you introduce such mechanics to disable aimbots you basically make the whole feature to shoot useless
keen urchin
Just using projectiles doesn't solve the problem if your gameplay isn't build around the whole issue
fringe salmon
and it makes sense that it works well in quake, if you have an LG and are vs a cheater, if he is on you 100% bc he has targetlock its still super effective without 1shot dmg
novel umbra
since an aimbot would do the optimal counterstrategy, if that doesn't work shooting owuld not work in general
keen urchin
WoT does a good job at making aimbots useless
dense pond
There's aimbots in WoT
fringe salmon
against non blatent cheaters in csgo its even a good thing you can oneshot them with the scout, bc it gives you a chance
novel umbra
problem solved
fringe salmon
and the human will make more errors over longer time
unique bane
it's possible to make a game that is nearly immune to cheats (probably)
unique bane
devs dont care enough
novel umbra
not even a stadia streamed game is
path of exile is very resistant to cheating
due to it basically being a fancy IRC console
and it still uses an anticheat
unique bane
has 100000000000000000 of bots
novel umbra
doesn't prevent botfarms from existing
unique bane
you need the client to be stupid - don't send anything to client you dont absolutely need to. Most games send all shit to client bcuz they cheap on server bandwith and costs
this allows datamining aswell as cheats
novel umbra
I mean you can do that
fringe salmon
how do you prevent the client from sending player input in csgo
novel umbra
but at some point you need to give info
like an enemy position
and then accept input from the client
like him aiming and shooting
keen urchin
Let's get back to the root of the problem, them
Let's look for much simpler solutions
novel umbra
csgo already does a lot of that
dense pond
This discussion is pointless.
dense pond
You can't solve cheaters, even if you change the game radically.
unique bane
yes u can
dense pond
Dag, stadia doesn't count in this discussion.
novel umbra
you still could aimbot in stadia
keen urchin
Why not use a 'I'm not a robot captcha' inspired system?
It shouldn't be too hard to tell if input is a player's, or a bot's, or assisted by aimbots, for example.
unique bane
yes because the games are coded badly
novel umbra
easily faked
unique bane
you need exclusive engine nobody knows shit about, unable to datamine etc
novel umbra
you can;t code a game to prevent everything
fringe salmon
as long as a game has player input that is relevant to the gameplay, it can be cheated
novel umbra
unless you make it 100% rng
unique bane
most games are made with public and known engines
dense pond
You're talking about shit that cannot be simply done
unique bane
you can only reverse what the server sends to the client
dense pond
Wrong
unique bane
why?
novel umbra
you only need to completely reverse the client
it has everything you need
to make a good aimbot
fringe salmon
you dont need to know any engine to cheat, just take the image you get send to the monitor, check for enemy player color, simulate mouseinput, click and fire, done, aimbot that uses no part of the engine ever
fringe salmon
and will only get better with more time invested etc.
novel umbra
you get some level of ESP and much better aimbots
ehh not really
pixel search will always be kinda shit
better than actual players though
fringe salmon
how do you suggest its possible to make cheats not work in csgo ?
orchid prism
enablecheats_0
dense pond
It's literally impossible.
unique bane
fucked up game ofc its possible in csgo
fringe salmon
you can assume perfect netcoding etc. just tell me how
like if someone remakes csgo in a perfectly written engine and everything
dense pond
You still can't
Even if you had someone watching the person, that person may still be able to cheat.
fringe salmon
yes thats why im asking how he imagines it to be secure
dense pond
The best solution as of today is to use an AC to get most of the kiddies out, and then use an actual human being to deal with the more troublesome players.
dense pond
Not talking about overwatch.
novel umbra
you can't employ enough people to do that
dense pond
I am aware
But we still had people looking at other people way before overwatch.
It's called community servers.
novel umbra
even that doesn't get everything though
pros have been cheating at tournaments
with live audience of several thousand people
dense pond
I never said it was a catch all solution mate
novel umbra
and didn;t get caught for a long time
dense pond
I just said that is the best we currently have as of today
novel umbra
people pretend like it is
dense pond
Hell Yama, if you don't like the solution, please propose one.
novel umbra
yea there is none
novel umbra
people would not switch to csgo stadia ed
dense pond
Stadia still doesn't solve everything
novel umbra
so the combination of VAC, overwatch and all the other stuff valve has added is the best thing we had yet
keen urchin
Do it the Olympic way: define exactly how much cheating is allowed
novel umbra
none
dense pond
Gl with that.
dense pond
Well yeah no shit
novel umbra
otherwise it will just end in who can get away with the most
fringe salmon
anyway we three somewhat agree on whats possible and if dag cant find a way I guess we're done
novel umbra
makes the problem a LOT worse
keen urchin
That's the Olympics for you...
dense pond
The only solution
Aka not really a solution
Is not to have it use FPS elements in the first place
keen urchin
Or any professional sport that 'bans' cheating
unique bane
I wonder if, in future, perhaps encrypted packets from server to client and back. With Intel/amd using hardware solutions on their cpu/gpu
fringe salmon
lol those are a joke, but regardless, still wouldnt fix the image based aimbot example
novel umbra
encryption will be reversed 100%
fringe salmon
nah im fine with assuming perfect coding/encryption for arguments sake
but its still not fixing it
keen urchin
Just use AI to comfirm it's actually a human playing
Problem solved. If they can fake playing like a human, it's not cheating any more
unique bane
not if it gets encrypted first in the server -> then again on the client, then again on the way back and again at the server location.
changes its key 4 times in transit
fringe salmon
ok but how does that stop my image based aimbot, that moves my crosshair onto the enemy
unique bane
not sending colours?
fringe salmon
so the game needs to be black white?
unique bane
does image have to be made of pixels?
fringe salmon
like we are still talking about playing a game yes? lol
what monitor is not showing you a pixel based image
I just need to intercept the image, not what the engine tells itself internally, but just what is in the cable to my monitor
dense pond
Which HDCP does nothing
dense pond
Also not to mention VGA, DVI-D/DVI-I and display port still exist.
unique bane
analog cable vs digital packet based cables
racing the beam vs video buffer/monitor buffer
novel umbra
analog is not a thing on modern gpus
unique bane
it could be
novel umbra
it is not
fringe salmon
you cant block an enduser from grabbing the image shown on his monitor in multiple ways even
novel umbra
ok
novel umbra
we just need perfect uncrackable game machines
perfect scenario
with an integrated monitor
that streams directly into your brain
unique bane
nice idea!
dense pond
Eh
fringe salmon
im looking that up bc I dont see why it shouldn't be possible
like how would you make sure I have nothing inbetween the cable and monitor that grabs the data
your game cant change hardware properties of what I use
unique bane
how do you grab data that is not packet based? Can you comprehend line at time via analog?
novel umbra
there is no analog data
fringe salmon
you can't make a game only allow output via a certain way
unique bane
tru
novel umbra
even if
there is no analog data
unless you make specialized hardware and infrastructure
fringe salmon
forcing hdmi/dvi/dp whatever is not an option
unique bane
This obviously requires intel/msoft/developer cooperation ;P
sure u can if you put it in the windows wddm/dxgi
fringe salmon
so I would not be able to play the game if I dont have the right gpu cable
unique bane
ye bro
dense pond
Bruh
fringe salmon
yea no
dense pond
Cables can be cut and intercepted
Even if you have some sort of "tamper" proofing or whatever
Already been done
unique bane
too slow for aimbots to matter
novel umbra
also making a game not streamable in 2020 is a death sentence
it is slow
but faster than a human
if you specialize hardware
fringe salmon
so we basically come to the conclusion, even with perfect software, you cant make a cheat safe game, unless you start enforcing hardware limits etc.
unique bane
and that's just us.. now think of some genius level who comes up with much more eloquent solutions
Im not even in computer field
unique bane
tru
fringe salmon
glad we could all agree at least in some way
dense pond
Somewhat relevant
I need to get away from FPS games, but I like them so
Any suggestions to get away from them? As in, to stop playing FPS games. I know non-FPS games which I enjoy.
novel umbra
you can try getting into more casual fps games
unique bane
They all suck ass and are low-skill cap casualized mechanics. Hardware is still king and key for winning. And internet latency destroys all fairness between competitors. Unless you compete at LAN, FPS games r crap
Play games (sports) in real life or...... play games without competition, but rather co-operation vs AI (PvE), where decisions and awareness matters more than mechanical skill/inputs
dense pond
Yama, what is casual in this term?
fringe salmon
idk I dont see a reason to get away from them if you enjoy them
just disable text/voice chat faster if thats what bothers you
novel umbra
try something pve like borderlands or shadow warrior
dense pond
Quintosh, toxicity isn't the only problem, and I already have disabled as much as I could in PvP games.
And I already have PvE games. Problem is playing them continously.
unique bane
Best games are ones that make the adversary is so strong, that you need co-operation with other people to win
for example.. anime Attack on Titan or lord of the rings or hobbit, etc
unique bane
Think mmorpg raids and now apply that to whole game. All monsters require other people to win or games with real stakes such as SAO (permadeath)
fringe salmon
ohh I get your point, I thought you were recommeding him to watch AoT and was just super confused
wicked latch
People dont tend to be very eager to play perma-death games unless it is some rogue-like hardcore one
dense pond
I don't like permadeath be it whatever game
unique bane
Yeah I know, but chances are he's good at FPS games and if those don't provide challenge anymore it's time to move on.
dense pond
Well, challenge is relative, right?
To me FPS kinda feel like a chore, if anything.
Gives me something to do at least.
fringe salmon
get into a rythm game if you want lots of content
hollow sphinx
gonna go live again with some minecraft
proper cargo
gonna try out iron harvest. the beta is free for all to play
fading spade
Literally 50 seconds :O
small comet
lies
fading spade
trutthhhh
fading spade
dont ask
small comet
lies
fading spade
nope
small comet
next thing u gonna tell me is the 67 skins u had were all randomly generated
fading spade
XD
fading spade
^
small comet
man seeing my skin always brings back le memories
fringe salmon
@bleak pike 
bleak pike
@fringe salmon you have perms
proper cargo
orchid prism
willow quiver
been looking at fall guys but eh 20 bucks
novel umbra
@keen urchin can confirm
ripe tendon
Yeah, gunfire is great. I'm excited to see the major content updates as they improve the game
fading spade
bleak pike
ornate cedar
Seems like a good trusted official sources.
But yea steam is ded
Oh that is a lot
wicked latch
Meanwhile, Epic chugging along just fine
proper cargo
epic also only has to really keep 1 game up, fortnite
ornate cedar
Brah
Fortnight is cringe
So epic is also cringe
Tencent is thus also cringe
Thus the chinese government is cringe
The chain of cringe
lime smelt
@proper cargo Steam is working just fine for me
but I do love Epic
the success of Fortnite has resulted in big investment into Unreal Engine
it has secured a good future for the engine
And THE BEST GAMES are made by Unreal
So I will support the Epic Store when i can
bleak pike
Steam is gone 🦀
lime smelt
Mad Max and DIRT Rally 2.0 is on steam sale
novel umbra
lol
proper cargo
Maybe i should cancel my pre order
proper cargo
Cause its a game i wanted to play, but im not a peasent
novel umbra
you should never preorder
well gl for you
performance will still be better than on a ps4 pro
if you have a decent pc
proper cargo
The guy in the article seems to disagree.
novel umbra
lol
ok then nvm
didn't think the port would be this terrible
"PCs are just not powerful enough"
can hear it already
and stuff like "not dedicated gaming hardware"
facial animations and eye blinks will sometimes lock to 30fps
lol
proper cargo
i might have to indulge myself with a 'test' version first 😛
proper cargo
denuvo? never heard of that. cause it doesnt exist on the test versions of games 😛
proper cargo
bl3 had a new version of denuvo. it took only 46 days
ofcourse, with bl3 being half like a live service with all the random events requiring access to the online part, the cracked version aint as much fun
orchid prism
Beats the first game's DRM.
I remember several of my friends playing COOP on the cracked edition from day 1.
novel umbra
doom eternal has worse denuvo
too bad they released a denuvo free version on accident on day one
proper cargo
yea, but that wasnt the only thing that bethesda did wrong
you could use the dev cracked version on day 1, but that version required you to login
but the thing was
you could log in with any account
it didnt even do any attempt to check if your account had a lisenced version of the game
you could just use any random email generator, make an account with that, and boom, you could play doom eternal
proper cargo
nah. i tried the game and didnt like how they went from simply monster killing to making killing them a job, since they all required a different killing technique to drop the stuff you needed
its nice they were attempting to give the doom slayer his own backstory tho
im just hoping for the next wolfenstein. and no, wolfenstein double trouble wasnt the next wolfenstein 😛 i just refuse to acknowledge that game.
proper cargo
oh oh
horizon dawn is up for preload
maybe a free test version will come out before it releases
ripe tendon
Every now and then I end up reading an article about some game and end up thinking it's one of the dumbest articles I've ever read only to realize it's from Forbes. Every fucking time it's Forbes. Anybody else have a similar feeling towards Forbes?
fringe salmon
cant really say I ever read forbes
ripe tendon
It is for the best. I never realize it's them until I think to myself "what idiot wrote this?" I usually get to it from some mobile search and pay no attention to the link until that point
ripe tendon
I think my dislike for Forbes also stems from an article where they once compared Borderlands 2 to Halo. After that I kinda swore them off, I thnk
ripe tendon
And the comparison wasn't just that they were both FPS'
ripe tendon
Right? that's pretty much the end of their similarities
fringe salmon
halo is kinda like undertale, you fight, have story, a UI, an inventory
like that?
keen urchin
Tbh, I see them as not-too-different myself
novel umbra
halo and bl2?
keen urchin
Yeh
novel umbra
imo bl2 is closer to elder scrolls than halo
keen urchin
But I'd also say Anthem was similar 🤷
novel umbra
lol
I forgot that game existed
and I still don't get how people thought it could be good
when they showed nearly the same gameplay 3 times with one year between each time
the only major difference was the played class
local gamestop had over 200 cancelled preorders so the game was 10 euros on launch
ripe tendon
They're working on an overhaul for it atm
novel umbra
lol
fallow bronze
that launch vid did look nice
proper cargo
anthem 2.0!
we work on the game with a dedicated team of 10 people, just to cut our losses 😆
novel umbra
pog
proper cargo
they say they work on a rework, but thats basically what they do. they put a team of interns on it that get free reign on fixing this little pet project
fringe salmon
and you know that from where
proper cargo
come on. if they had any dedication to actually reworking anthem, they would put the entire studio behind it, not a limited number of people.
proper cargo
i think they themselves said it that they would start reworking the game with only a few people
fringe salmon
ok so you have no clue how things work, got it
proper cargo
then you tell me how it works
proper cargo
even if they were reworking anthem, due to the limited number of people working on it, it could take alot of time for anthem to be reworked
fringe salmon
"only" 30 lmao
proper cargo
for an ea studio, thats small
fringe salmon
its a rework not a new game
fallow bronze
why do you care so much?
novel umbra
ok
how many people are still in the studio
how many of those are gamedesigners and developers?
proper cargo
wiki says bioware has 800 employees
fringe salmon
if you have a game and are reworking it, there are a lot of positions you dont need for it, even marketing and such aside, if the art is done you dont need most of the artists atm, if the servers are fine you dont really need the server devs
no mans sky pulled a big turn around after release was really disappointing and they dont even have 30 people in the entire studio
novel umbra
you really only need the gamedesigners and devs
and then sometimes UI deisgners etc for some projects
proper cargo
it took a while for no man sky to be where its currently at tho
it released in 2016. they still are releasing content for it
fringe salmon
and they still have less than 30 total people in the company
proper cargo
i couldnt tell if no man sky is more complex to develop for than anthem, but looking at it, anthem looks to be more graphically difficult. not to mention the problems frostbite seems to have
atleast, bioware admitted they had real problems with frostbite
fringe salmon
ok and for a rework you dont need artists till the end until its almost done and only needs new art for whats completely new
and the frostbite issue is known with EA games, but then you need to discuss that with EA/get frostbite patches done for you etc. you cant fix that by throwing more people at it at your location
fallow bronze
making a baby with 9 women, so we can do it in 1 month
proper cargo
lol
fringe salmon
basically
fringe salmon
I just remembered, 2020 is the year where Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising would've run and won US presidency, almost wish that would be a valid choice this year lmao
fringe salmon
fuuuuuuck
bought remnant from ashes recently
didnt get around playing it yet
noticed it will be free on epic next week
fk
fringe salmon
more than 14 days
ripe tendon
eh they may be nice?
bleak pike
ive had a refund 6 months after purcahse
lol
a game i didn't even launch
or download
fringe salmon
ye I havent touched it yet so I'll probably be fine
ripe tendon
I tried to refund pubg due to the fact that it runs like ass but they refused because it was over 14 days
that's what happened to me
ripe tendon
I'm actually under 2 hrs though it was just how long I've had it
ripe tendon
I've played League for years so Epic has nothing for me to be worried about
as far as privacy is concerned
That and China basically owns our whole country anyway
fringe salmon
oh also I selected to have it refund to my steam wallet, I bet they are more likely to grant that than actual refunds in general
proper cargo
i dunno. i pay with paypal for the safety of it. and im sure you will buy another game on steam in the future, but iself prefer not to have it on the steam wallet, since that money is only good for steam, where back to my bank account is money i can spend everywhere
fringe salmon
Yes hence hey it makes no sense
I want it to be more likely to be refunded, so I chose the option to send it to my wallet and not back to PayPal
proper cargo
i dont really think it matters that much
fringe salmon
its refunding actual money vs a quasi-currency voucher
and even if it changes the likelyness by 0% your comment isnt really hitting the topic, of trying to get the refund in the first place
proper cargo
you will get the refund, paypal or steam funds, i dont think it matters. since i think it doesnt matter, wouldnt you rather have it refunded to your bank account and be able to spend to spend it everywhere, rather than only have the ability to spend it on steam.
you got statistics that chances for a steam wallet refund are higher than back to your bank account?
fringe salmon
I literally said why I think its more likely
proper cargo
and i said what i think
alright? 🙂
i thought what i typed down was well within the margin of the topic
guess i need to follow a human social studies course
fringe salmon
I guess it doesnt matter bc they declined it
proper cargo
so, thats statistic number 1 😛 doesnt matter if you want a steam wallet refund
nice try, tho
fringe salmon
ok but as long as there is nothing pointing to that lowering my chance, common sense and logic still point to that being the better option
fading spade
She is afraid of mushrooms
young hill
Wow game rant how could stoop so low. That jet was stationary and the driver was so badly unaware that I have to think the event was scripted.
fading spade
:')
fringe salmon
im pretty sure if its moving its acutally impossible do to so bc you cant stand on it to be in range to trigger entering the cockpit
fringe salmon
owning it or not doesnt change how you can walk on it
young hill
Well I mean, the way the player walked was like no problem I do this all the time.
There was no rush to getting the cockpit window open
orchid prism
😆
placid garden
not like I browsed there often anyways
fringe salmon
bleak pike
orchid prism
bleak pike
time to change my password
fringe salmon
ye at least make it fun
bleak pike
xD
fringe salmon
like the meow attack
someone went through unsecured databases and replaced all cells with "meow" as content
orchid prism
ornate cedar
Not sure the motives but seems weird and counterproductive
keen urchin
Anyone else having an issue with gunfire where they feel like the camera is offset from the characters position?
orchid prism
trim rock
Nice
ornate cedar
Free pirates giving better service it seems like
Imagine spending thousands on shitty drm just to publish drm free
fringe salmon
but they didn't spend any? unlike doom this isnt an accident
orchid prism
PS4 as DRM 😄
ornate cedar
content as DRM
fringe salmon
what are you on about
ornate cedar
by giving them a functional game that doesnt punish players while pirate sail by with a cracked version and money
drm is sadness
proper cargo
i dont know how, but i cant get the proper sound for horizon zero dawn. aloy always sounds like...
how to put it, like she is in an echoless room?
underwater?
not sure how to put it, but there is something off with how aloy is voiced
fringe salmon
check a stream/video to make sure its not intended?
proper cargo
only when i put smart volume at max in the sound manager will it stop sounding...flat. i think its just the way they recorded it. aint got this problem in other games.
proper cargo
first bug encountered tho. "hold tab to open the weapon wheel". it wont disappear
proper cargo
bug number 2. exiting the game doesnt really close off the game, seriously, they ever test these games nowadays?
proper cargo
obviously. i couldnt get that message to disappear no matter what i did. i requested a refund and wait for the fall or winter sale.
keen urchin
I feel like they outsourced the port to a company on a tight deadline and with limited funding
proper cargo
automated refund request denied by steam. so were doing this the hard way 😛
fringe salmon
over 2 hours?
proper cargo
nah. the automated refund bot they run count from the date of purchase, but steam refund policy is that hte refund policy starts from the day of release. but they never bothered to update their bot.
so if you buy a pre purchase 2 weeks before launch, its automatically rejected
in this case, you need to do a manual refund request AKA get in touch with a huumaan
and i think you got 3 hours to test out a game
fringe salmon
2
proper cargo
yea, ur right