just that there is no ingame option for it
#🎮│game
fringe salmon
https://bsaber.com/category/playlists/ for more playlists
prob best to get one from there that is for starters, none of mine are really curated for below expert
bleak pike
done
fringe salmon
idk how to download songs with that tool so gl figuring that out
bleak pike
i just wish there wasn't so many expert only songs
Ok this is cool.... https://skystudioapps.com/bs-viewer/?id=3eec
fringe salmon
it makes sense, you have more than enough songs to get to easily play expert
no point making maps when majority aint playing on that difficulty
bleak pike
true
orchid prism
Rockstar customer support confirmed useless.
fringe salmon
muhc surprise
orchid prism
First they assigned me a forum member who suggested the usual dumb things I obviously already did (and actually mentioned having done so)
Told them to forward me to ACTUAL support, since my audio issues are obviously not "just a switch".
Then customer support started out with asking for dxdiag, msinfo and all that jazz... which I had already submitted once.
So I did it again... and they return asking me for them again. Gave up.
small comet
no surpise
bleak pike
Did you do this in my name @orchid prism? 🤣
bleak pike
Hahaha I was gonna say don’t make them hate me XD
orchid prism
fading spade
idle vigil
?
keen urchin
Why does everybody act like EGS is the only competition steam has?
They just made a name for themselves being the worst sort of competition one can think up
fringe salmon
What else is there
fringe salmon
Yeah but not the one that will work in any way in a money driven world lol
fringe salmon
Yes for the individual person, not for the general userbase
keen urchin
For whom does it not work?
fringe salmon
Gog has no exclusives, has no incentives for devs to use their platform, doesn’t have other projects that benefit players like proton, doesn’t offer extra stuff like steamVr etc.
The main attraction they have is gog galaxy which I’d use if they can get chat integration for the different clients going and I can use steamVr through it
orchid prism
Ah yes - Supporting developers. Truly the worst imaginable kind of competitor 😄
fringe salmon
hm?
keen urchin
How is GOG not having exclusives a downside?
fringe salmon
it's a missing reason for people to use their platform, im not saying it's a downside for the user, it's a downside for them
keen urchin
They do, though
Their original concept
Some of the older games you can buy there, you can't find anywhere else any more
fringe salmon
is there like a list of that anywhere
keen urchin
I don't know
fringe salmon
are they games that are exclusive or that are just not on steam? and how many people do care about those games
orchid prism
Did you grab the Twitch stuff for GTA/RDR2, @bleak pike ?
You get a bunch of free starter stuff in GTAV (some really swank cars, properties etc..) and I think a still for RDR2 to make money.
Online stuff*
keen urchin
TLOU2 seems to be a shitshow, lol
Everywhere people seem to agree: great game, good level and sound design, takes gore to a whole new level, but the story is so bad it kills the game
fringe salmon
It’s like the Star Wars sequels, some hate it some love it
I think it’s trash with sadly wasted tech that is very amazing like rope physics etc.
wicked latch
I have yet to see a person that loves the new Star Wars.
That is a bad comparison tbh xD
fringe salmon
there are plenty
hollow sphinx
fringe salmon
eh, you will enjoy 1, if you are a big fan of the story you prob want to not play 2
keen urchin
Unless you enjoy gore
small comet
or rope physics
ripe tendon
lol
bleak pike
Am i a terrible person for joinign randoms in destiny 2 for the exp boost when claiming bounties
wicked latch
I think you are just a terrible person, because you play Destiny instead of Warframe 
novel umbra
orchid prism
bleak pike
bleak pike
PoE is lame
fringe salmon
I mean, being a shit person isn't really the same as being a shit company but I guess it's close
proper cargo
yea, the executives point a director, right? i mean, some1 has to be the head of the director
fringe salmon
I kinda doubt anyone knew this when he got that spot?
proper cargo
well, this happened during his directorship ofcourse
bleak pike
Destiny community had some drama recently too
I love it when shitty people get exposed.
proper cargo
yea, but 2k's randy pitchford allegidly did some shit, but due to lack of evidence he cant be trialed for it
proper cargo
its because they mostly quit or get fired but a huge bonus attached to it
fringe salmon
the destiny community started it and now a shit ton of people everywhere in gaming are getting exposed
fringe salmon
yes
bleak pike
I didn't think it spread
fringe salmon
streamers, community managers, youtubers, devs etc.
fringe salmon
shit ton of people on it so something gets fucky from time to time
there are some people I hope just get completely fucked by this, like the guy who got away with scamming people in csgo etc.
bleak pike
kinda hard to know whats true oir not
fringe salmon
fair, but so far most people I looked into had more than 1 person speaking up or admitting stuff etc.
bleak pike
Oh ow saynotorage just keeps getting more accusers
i was going to say
the more people the more likely
but if its just one person its kinda difficult
OOFT
fringe salmon
so far literally only one person might be falsely accused but that was a already admitted bad relationship so it's obvious it's hard to say whos right, that would be HenryG
fringe salmon
including one lawyer who was the CEO of his lawfirm 🙂
fringe salmon
thankfully I only know a handful of them so I just had to unfollow 2 people
bleak pike
i dont really follow anyone but i know some names
A Web Devloper of all people o.0 why am i surprised about that
iguess cos its a huge list of streamrs and gaming companies
Game Devs and Streamers rn
fringe salmon
*shitheads rn
bleak pike
Twitter
this entire posrt is like
ugh
id say why take these pics https://twitter.com/SattelizerGames/status/1274443374385180672
but i can kinda understand it if it was true
tough jay
On average at least a portion of them would be innocent though.
tough jay
If more then 2 unconnected people complain I think the chances of it being true are much higher. Looking at the list there are a few that seem to get quite a few complaints.
bleak pike
ye its also kinda weird the whole consent situation these days
because its still easy for one party to retract it
in this current twitter fueld world
tough jay
Also if the couple is bellow 18 the concent video would be illegal.
fringe salmon
not everywhere in the us, not every state has 18
tough jay
in most places, or at least a video of yourself is not, the partner would be child porn. I think this kind of follows international conventions.
this is separate from the age of concent.
fringe salmon
there are also some cases where the doc isn't showing all parts, witwix for example admitted it on twitter and there was an ex of his that in the past spoke out about it, Cry made a youtube video admitting it etc.
tough jay
These are also only the cases where someone made a statement, to claim they where harrassed, in a lot of cases it will still fly under the radar.
Regardless I would personally not judge someone based on just one report, unless there is further evidence or the person admitted it.
fringe salmon
yup, there are tons of people saying they have a story but aren't feeling comfortable to share it
ofc just by the nature of it there will be cases, like the HenryG one where it's not correct/might be more to it etc.
but im glad people find the will to speak up, it's sadly no secret that the gaming/twitch community has always had some issues in that area
tough jay
Yea pretty much, if noone talks nothing will be done.
fringe salmon
part of it surely is that the nature of the jobs is making it harder to differentiate professional time from personal time, but that is no excuse for being a shit human
tough jay
Often in these cases being a public figure is what allowed them to be in these situations in the first place.
fringe salmon
yup
young hill
It appears the brutes from Halo Wars 2 are coming to Halo Infinite
proper cargo
@bleak pike somehow that reads away like a feminist thing
you know, where men gets accused of raping women, even though all they did was look at an ass
bleak pike
Well
Thats more harassment than assult
it aint a crime to complement a women but there is a fine line
both sides really
I will deffo most of the time lean towards the victims side though
proper cargo
and thats the problem. im quite a critical thinker. if a female movie star says she got raped 20 years ago, by being invited by a producer, moving to his house willingly, then get suggested and act upon 'moving higher in the world', all still willingly, im a little bit confused as where the rape part happened
sure, he shouldnt have suggested it, but she was appearently willing to make a wanker happy for a night, just to be the big star of a movie
im still standing with evidence. come with evidence. get an investigation going. dont use twitter as an outlet to just point your finger and say "he is the one who emotionally scarred me, now go harass him, my followers"
because if afterwards appearently nothing happened, you still ruined a guy's life
bleak pike
i get that
both sides are kinda guilty really
more one than the other tho
but most of the time they assult the women and the women dont speak because well the assaulter is powerful
young hill
Screenshot (Jun 25, 2020 12:13:46 AM)
novel umbra
not a good deal tbh
like
their other good game costs like 8 euros on sale
with all dlcs
small comet
u mean 0$
novel umbra
wait
will cybepunk release before nvidia 3xxx?
or will the winners of the limited edition cards play it on non-optimal cards on release
ripe tendon
they're 2080 Ti's aren't they? May not do 4k but the game is shit if it can't run on them
but the 2080 Ti is still beastly on 4k with games that aren't horribly optimized
novel umbra
well
if you ahve a cyberpunk 2080ti
and a 3080ti comes out
before cyberpunk got released
you'd be kinda pissed
wheat kraken
The fuckin 1080 can do 4k on most games at a decent frame rate
There's like two games I own that get downgraded to 1440p on my 4k
RDR2 cause it's fucking RDR2 and that's all that's coming to mind.
fallow bronze
why would you be pissed with getting a free 2080ti?
novel umbra
well
you won a cyberpunk cad
and by the time you got the game
the card is outdated
wheat kraken
It's not the top of the line card no but no way in hell is it the definition of outdated
novel umbra
old-fashioned and therefore not as good or as fashionable as something modern
is and "old-fashioned" acrhitecture
and therefore not as good as teh then released 3080ti
small comet
so all cpus would be outdated aswell as soon as a new one hits
so would mainboards
psus
completely insane and elitist way to define outdated tbh
novel umbra
yes
exactly
that is how outdated works though
it's not that the part is bad or needs to be replaced
but if I won such a big giveaway
related to the game
and got the top of the line card
I would want the top of the line card when the game is out
small comet
thats on you then
i would participate for the fact of having a collectible and good gpu
though
small comet
thats on them
ripe tendon
The fuckin 1080 can do 4k on most games at a decent frame rate
@wheat kraken on low settings maybe
and technically sure since most would include an absurd amount of indie games. I wouldn't bet on it for AAA games
I would never refer to the 2080 ti as outdated just because 3000 series is out. What would most likely be the 2nd best card that exists isn't outdated
coarse shoal
is my cpu outdated yet? idle btw
novel umbra
I mean
by definition yes
but your thermal paste and or cooler also are past their prime
a good clean and repaste might resolve at least the heat problem
coarse shoal
owh no that's after cleaning
novel umbra
also repaste?
coarse shoal
yes
novel umbra
wtf kinda cooler do you use?
novel umbra
wtf
fringe salmon
was it also that bad before?
coarse shoal
before it kept blue screening
fringe salmon
did you have an aktive OC?
coarse shoal
think so
that pic is from last year tho, bought a newer not so much better cpu
but no overheating now at least
hidden basin
xD
yeah, either no driver support or not able to run up-to-date programs
and games
hidden basin
my pc barely ran the new Modern Warfare above 5 FPS
orchid prism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBPlJ8wTEC0
It's fascinating to hear about the rise and fall of an MMO I have - never- played 😄
bleak pike
@orchid prism do I see a fellow nerdslayer fan?
orchid prism
Because they expected you to not complain about them breaking the contract? 😄
fading spade
how to install optifine on Linux :PP easy mode
fallow bronze
same as on windows then
fading spade
yup
fading spade
Is Valorant still using their rootkit anticheat?
fringe salmon
they aint ever removing that
hidden basin
that's nutty
fading spade
OOOO they have a mojanger in their SMP server
damnnnn boiizz
slicedlime is a big dev at mojang
hidden basin
pogs
rancid elbow
has any one tried playing red dead redemption with wooting keyboard?
i feel like the game ignores the analogue input...
orchid prism
It's like GTA V. Need some fenageling, and it won't ever work 100% without two profiles.
fringe salmon
if you move your mouse or have digital keys active, then it ignores analog input basically
fading spade
That's the first time I've seen tb word fenagel spelled out
orchid prism
😄
fading spade
:')
young hill
Now that is hot
young hill
motherland, do you mean russia
hidden basin
most likely
fringe salmon
I remember when you had coal for steam christmas sale and could win a lot of of games and had incentives to play games etc. and not just get fancy temporary profile borders for points you get by buying stuff
small comet
the point store is supposed to stay iirc
plus the only time i saw an expiration on the stuff is the summer profile things which only last 30days
fading spade
small comet
nice cheats
fading spade
Ididnt make th is xd someone on the server did :')
small comet
that would explain why idk who lesnite is
fading spade
my old MC name
small comet
why lesnites tho
wicked latch
Because it sounds cool, jeez.
fading spade
cause Ianite is the best goddess
small comet
same
wicked latch
A what?
small comet
the fuck is mianite
small comet
someone was super uncreative with naming
lanite
mianite
nitenite
whitenite
so?
fading spade
There is Dianite, the god of evil
Mianite, the god of good
Ianite, the goddess of neutral and balance
small comet
cause shes neutral and such she got 1 letter less from the name loterry
wicked latch
@fading spade so what is this whole thing? Some YT series?
wicked latch
So it is... some bunch of RPing some fantasy-setting in MC?
wicked latch
Oh
fading spade
Series 1 was great <3
wicked latch
Well that is a bit random, but kinda funny.
fading spade
series two was modded and no one except Jordan was interested in the storyline ;-;
small comet
could have at least done 69
small comet
interested in the storyline
well theres only so much u can milk the ad sense on yt
fading spade
small comet
ngl i kinda expected more
from a limited ed
looks like 2minutes of work in spreadshirt
fading spade
its a nice shirt though
really warm and comfy <3
it was limited edition as it was only online for 3 weeks
it seems each version of forge makes its own profile now
it didnt used to be like that but this is so much better
fading spade
Nope
young hill
anybody know what the foil cards on steam are for?
fringe salmon
trading, badge crafting
fringe salmon
yes
urban anvil
does anyone know how the analog movement is an advantage in shooters like CS:GO
or Valorant?
Wouldn't you still hear the footsteps by analog walking, just at a slower rate?
fringe salmon
you can move a bit faster with no step sounds in csgo than with the regular walk
urban anvil
mmm
do you happen to know any valorant benefits? as of now, im not even using analog controls so i feel like im wasting this keyboard's intended potential
say if i use the CsGo profile for valorant, would it be meaningless?
fringe salmon
idk I aint playing something with a rootkit
urban anvil
fair
small comet
@fringe salmon well its not solely the rootkit thing
more the
rootkit used by 1 company and it originates in china
so who knows what backdoors it has
fringe salmon
well yeah, I also am not really into bland character design and riot as a company for multiple reasons but that was just shorter to type
small comet
"bland character designs"
cough poor wc3 dota cough
first time i saw lol i was like "is this a new wc3 map?"
fringe salmon
I thought it was a paladins map
ripe tendon
What steam games do I want to buy during the sale that I'll never play?
ornate cedar
This small indie game from a small indie dev. Seems pretty cool just the release date of 2077 is odd. https://www.gog.com/game/ultimate_red_collection
ripe tendon
I think I'm only missing Cyberpunk 2077 from that collection
Just not on gog
yeah I've got the rest on steam
ornate cedar
Also the metro exodus pc port is quite horrible. Thank that epic swooped in and forced me to wait 1 year for better game
ripe tendon
I think it's Judge Dredd
ornate cedar
Minecraft Alex?
mmm graphics are on maximum thus hard to compare
But the lack of ray trace gives it away
This is a game
with a red man
called deadpool
cus he is the pool of death
Also why nvidia driver be so non-functional. Dont want to deal with that thing so open-source it is then.
timber stone
got myself one of those cyberpunk 2077 chairs and its coming in on sunday
bleak pike
its so ugly tho xD
bleak pike
@meager crown you mad lad, you actually put your pack onto 1.12.2
Can someone suggest me a water only shader
orchid prism
Very jealous, Naka 😄
meager crown
Yes I did In april
placid garden
3D shaders 👀
fading spade
Can someone suggest me a water only shader
@bleak pike
Datlak's water shaders
ornate cedar
Rlcraft
fading spade
keen urchin
What to play?
trim rock
Nothing
orchid prism
Jealous af
timber stone
@orchid prism they go on sale again tomorrow
orchid prism
Already bought a chair recently. Not happening sadly 
orchid prism
I should hope so. Secret Lab are top tier.
timber stone
i can lay down almost completely flat in this, its insaner
if you guys wanna see anything zoomed in just ask lol
small comet
zoom in on ur feet
small comet
i didnt before but now that i know of its existence yes i want to
timber stone
the great white willies
fading spade
....
timber stone
I don't think I can show that off in here
ornate cedar
That sound illegal i am calling the cops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcGPHV5-mjA
hollow sphinx
over my head
bleak pike
@hollow sphinx left guys name
hollow sphinx
but i like dragons
astral hawk
Anyone using a wooting on apex legends?
Google isn't showing much activity with that game
primal wyvern
I've been playing Monster Hunter World with the Wooting One TKL keyboard for 2 years now and I say the experience was okay; better than using the control pad to me.
I mainly use the analog feature for WASD when moving around with any weapon sheathed.
Though I can bind the sprint button (being Shift key that is) with W, A, S, D when pushing either all the way down the disappointment was the sprint button also serves as a dual purpose (aside from making your character sprint) of sheathing your drawn weapon.
One thing to note is that with any weapon already drawn, WASD becomes digital so no matter how soft you push those keys the character with the weapon drawn moves at constant velocity.
Binding WASD with the sprint key can be a problem especially when fighting against monster(s) as sometimes quite too often I push either keys all the way down accidently sheathing my weapon; it's hard to keep a steady finger during battle situations.
In a nutshell, weapon drawn mode, WASD binding with sprint button when pushed all the way down is good.
Weapon sheath mode, WASD binding with sprint button can cause frustrations.
With that said, is there a way in Wootility I can configure that in weapon drawn mode my character can move without sheathing his/her weapon?
fringe salmon
for a game you already have???
trim rock
exclusive content
bleak pike
I don’t made destiny 1
tough jay
Ah us pc gamers, always forgetting console exclusives exist.
fading spade
hollow sphinx
nnice
fading spade
The gui looks so small in screenshots
weak cypress
But is it a fun game?
small comet
the crap is that currency
orchid prism
The British pound after leaving the EU
weak cypress
Rub, rubble.
Actually, I don't know how well the Ruble is doing, but let's just go with rubble.
orchid prism
Microtransactions boi
small comet
the gane still has those?
iirc they got rid of them after they bought back the rights
orchid prism
small comet
a year ago i had no mtx
fading spade
S T O N K S
bleak pike
@small comet @weak cypress Russian Rubles
weak cypress
I still like rubble better.
ashen lark
Still not that much stonks as villager giving you emerald for 10 clays and 10 bricks for emerald without any sale though
bleak pike
👀
acoustic timber
Depends on what you really seeking
hollow sphinx
ashen lark
@hollow sphinx bought that game, but never understood it and stopped playing it after moment.
ashen lark
I also, but did not understand what should I do in that game 😄
weak cypress
Thief sim is fun, Tabletop sim is accurate.
fading spade
keen urchin
CP will be DX12 only
Is it the first game to not support other/older APIs?
orchid prism
I imagine so, yes.
Though to be honest I doubt anyone with a DX11 only system would enjoy trying to run CP.
fading spade
what game?
orchid prism
Cyberpunk.
fading spade
oooh
orchid prism
I mean just look at how much Red Dead Redemption pulls teeth in comparison.
fringe salmon
think nvidia even has dx12 support on fermi? anyway that just marketing talk
keen urchin
Thing is, most games to date were made in the 'DX11 way' and only translated that to DX12
Which isn't optimal, and given the small performance differences we see, it's clear that they did not take advantage of DX12's advancements
fading spade
the hypixel server consider 21:9 monitors bannable????????
inner prism
fringe salmon
idk there's probably a reason that could either be good or bad but lana probably didn't take a look at it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fringe salmon
.. that still doesnt give us any more context
did the mod say why, did you ask why, did you look at the rules etc.
fading spade
they said something about suspected modified client
fringe salmon
so in fact they didn't care about the monitor at all
errant spoke
Too affluent for your own good
fading spade
O.o gamma adjustment mods are allowed....
so they have no issues wxith full brightness? wow ok then
fringe salmon
why would they and its not something you can control anyway
fading spade
you can set your gamma to 1000.00 on the options fil to get full brightness in the dark
fringe salmon
"oh you dont see anything without it bc you have a bad room light situation, guess you might aswell just turn of your monitor sry"
like I can just change my monitor and see in the dark, dont even need a mod for it
fading spade
wicked latch
Which game?
fringe salmon
minecraft
fading spade
DAMN IT
ashen lark
What were you playing? 😄 @fading spade
fading spade
Mincraf
ashen lark
I mean what minigame 😄
orchid prism
Yep.
And I can't wait for it to be utter shite 😄
Red Dead Online is... it's sure a thing.
orchid prism
Unlike GTA I can't do solo lobbies, so I'm forced to deal with other players.
First open world mission I do. Simple "retrieve this stolen wagon". I ride into town with it to deliver it, one shotted by some jerk sniper who camps rooftops just to piss off people.
He gains nothing from the act.
novel umbra
putting all post game support into a grindy online experience is not that great if you ask me
the amount of time you have to sink into gta online just to get one simple thing is insane
orchid prism
It also has less content than the story. You can't even rob the stores now.
trim rock
Anyone playing the hip new battle royale sensation HYPER SCAPE?
proper cargo
You wash your mouth right now, young man
fringe salmon
prob try it this weekend
fading spade
ooohhh
ashen lark
@fading spade D: HiveMc is quite good server, always play TIMV on it. 😄
Last time I was playing there, there were like 10 people in one game (from 24) from Czechia / Slovakia which is kinda crazy when you consider how small these countries are 😄
fading spade
I always play deathrun
OOOO damn
well, they do have eu and us servers so the chances are made higher by that
ashen lark
Yeah, but still 😄
fading spade
true :P
ashen lark
It is like, max 20m people living there compared to rest of EU... 😄
fading spade
well#
ashen lark
I did not have time to play anything before like 30 minutes ago, and right before that my friends stopped playing 😄
meager crown
Ah yes, TrackMania, the famous car game
keen urchin
It's also a pretty poor excuse of a PC port
bleak pike
I love this channel so much https://youtu.be/aFl99Wieknw
ripe tendon
Nintendo has a handful of Switch games marked down low. The lowest is 0.03 cents. Link is the US store
https://www.nintendo.com/games/game-guide/#filter/:q=&dFR[availability][0]=Available now&dFR[generalFilters][0]=Deals&indexName=ncom_game_en_us_price_asc
ripe tendon
And the Mortal Shell beta is on epic if anybody is into betas
young hill
Ellie is so terrible in Last of Us Part 2
orchid prism
Boy does earning gold in RDO take forever.
Still working towards my first 10 bars for the trader unlock 😄
keen urchin
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I dunno what to play
I'm thinking Stardew Valley, Graveyard Keeper, Factorio, Anno series, Tropico
Something in that general direction?
wicked latch
Why not Satisfactory?
keen urchin
I'll maybe pick it up in a sale or bundle some day
orchid prism
And half a gig of cache*,
fading spade
oo
orchid prism
The Wii also didn't have any kind of multitasking. It didn't try to be a media center with apps running in the background during gameplay.
fading spade
true
small comet
the wii only has 64mb of memory
well
i guess if u count the 24mb of the gpu package
it would be 88
fading spade
they called the Wii's OS "IOS"
LEGENDS XD
Cisco's console OS is also called IOS xd hmmm 🤔
why so many IOS in the world?
orchid prism
Well it has the 64mb...and 512megs of caching 😄
fading spade
oh wow
small comet
yesnt
orchid prism
Basically an SSD designed into the core system.
small comet
it was supposed to have games and apps on there
but as we all know
games were a tad bigger than half a gig
small comet
only 4
orchid prism
Eh... They were gigabytes large before the Wii. 😄
small comet
and they looked like n64 games
fading spade
most of the games I play are less than 9GB
orchid prism
My Xbox OG Library is about 400 Gigs I think.
fading spade
purely by chance though
The Gamecube, I remember when I was younger, I got a Wii for christmas and I saw those ports on the top that I didnt recognise and I saw gamecube and wondered what it meant xd I didnt have internet access at that time to look into it either
bleak pike
@fading spade Guess what
fading spade
what?
orchid prism
rotund bane
i was expecting chicken butt
fading spade
fallow bronze
so which one did you choose/
fading spade
👍
fading spade
how else would you write it? :')
fringe salmon
???
bleak pike
I thought it was pretty obvious what happened then quin
bleak pike
Lana doesn’t realise he was referring to a genre
She thought he meant the video title
fringe salmon
Oh I guess
I didn’t think of thinking hack and slash would fit as a description of that
fading spade
ooohhh
young hill
Well does anyone know?
bleak pike
I recognise it
young hill
Well okay
young hill
Okay thank you
bleak pike
I’m actually sad
I was doing exactly that
I won’t bother now
I went to pre order the other day but forgot
I feel sorry for people in third world countries
Went from 930 rupees to 2800
Damn
Bullshit
For people who actually suffer from this
keen urchin
It's more likely been a pricing error
bleak pike
I really hope so
It's incredibly unfair for people who actually live in these countries
And it'll most likely have denuvo
tough jay
Personally I find parallel import / buying with a vpn fair game. If publishers decide that selling it at a lower price to certain regions is best I also think it is fine to just buy it from there as well.
Of course in countries that are poorer on average people will generally want to spend less but there are quite a few poorer people in richer countries as well. And the hardware cost is pretty similar either way.
I personally wish for regional prices to stop be a thing entirely outside of rounding differences and sales tax.
orchid prism
And then platforms start enforcing region locking launches...again
tough jay
I fesl like the best way forward is just to abolish the dramatic differences as they are the root cause here.
orchid prism
Or you know... following the rules and paying your damn sales taxes 😄
But that's just me.
fringe salmon
good luck trying to fix brasil over allowing them to have affordable game pricing...
wicked latch
pirating sounds intensify
tough jay
you could bring back the good old days where a 1 year old game could be had for almost nothing during a sale.
sub € 10 in 12 months
fringe salmon
I dont really get how that relates to allowing people to buy games without spending half their monthly income on the purchase
tough jay
Thing is if they want to play the lateat games they also have to invest in hardware. So if the games are too expensive just waiting a bit for them to drop is an option. I personally hardly ever buy a game half price
fringe salmon
I dont get why it hurts you so much that people in a shit economy are allowed to spend less on a game
tough jay
People with a low income high enough to afford the hardware but too low to really spend it all on games are pretty common outside the cheap regions as well
fringe salmon
you dont need a 2080ti to play every new games, not every new game is very graphically intensive etc. and yes sometimes you even get lower prices on hardware in these regions
tough jay
It doesn't hurt me, If publishers want to catch top dollar on richer countries they just have to accept parallel import is a thing.
fringe salmon
but you have it in reverse... they dont increase the price, they take a hit in other regions
if they would sell it for what the brazilian market can afford to stay on that example, they would never make money and have to fire everyone
it's not that they see people have more money and unjustly take a higher price
orchid prism
Accept it - Or tigthen the noose on legitimate customers because of the abusers 😛
tough jay
My point would be that if on average brazilians who can afford the gaming hardware on average have less money to spend on games that should not give them the right to pay less for these games per se.
If publishers want to adjust their optimum price per country to maximize profit, it's fair game to import the games from there as well.
If you are adjusting so that the regional differences are gone that would mean brazil pays significantly more and Bulgaria a little bit less.
I am just saying for people in these countries there are plenty of options already, playing games a bit later, playing less different games.
Same with the ps2 being used a very long time in Japan.
fringe salmon
it's not really to maximise profits, it's to have more than basically 0 legit sales in that country lmao
and again, you do not need a 3000$ setup to play a new game that costs 60$
small comet
now u do
orchid prism
Yep. It's all about combatting piracy.
ashen lark
No u do not tony
orchid prism
I mean... Red Dead Redemption sure does require a strong PC to run at minimum settings at 1080 smoothly 😄
fringe salmon
sure, but take a strategy like Crusader kings game for example, you barely need any gpu to run those
orchid prism
Sure...but that's taking both extremes of the spectrum and going "This one game is how it works for all games"
fringe salmon
exactly, so the point stands that not every new game would required you to have newest hardware
tough jay
However to people with just the hardware to run a game like that most € 60 games are kind of irrelevant as well
they would mostly be playing either older or cheaper indie titles
orchid prism
(or pirating the expensive games - hence region pricing)
fringe salmon
I'd like to see where you get that info from
small comet
@tough jay i am sure many people who spend 500eur on a pc would play AAA titles in minimum or medium settings
just cause you have high standards doesnt mean everyone does
i can tell you first hand most people coming into my store want an affordable pc usually around 700-1000eur and they are fine with playing newer games with less graphic detail
tough jay
of course but I am talking about quintosh example of a person running low demand games. If you set the bar at crusader kings, most games at or below that woud be older or indie games.
You can get a setup for € 500 - 600 yes but that's 10 full priced games worth already. I don't know how many games you expect someone to play.
I also know that the reason for the low pricing is to outcompete with piracy and that having higher prices makes that a better alternative.
They just have to accept that a small subset of gamers outside of the region will also make use of the lower prices. I just think there is nothing wrong with that.
fringe salmon
I took CK as an example because a brazilian friend plays that way too much, I would really not consider that an indie title...
small comet
i somehow feel like if u made a AAA game and people just went to buy it via vpn in russia ud be mad af
but now that u only reap the benefits its ok
i mean piracy should just be legal cause theres enough people buying the game right?
why even bother with pirates
fringe salmon
at that point when you vpn to brazil to pay 5 bucks for a 60$ release, why not just pirate it directly, because you clearly dont care about compensating the game makers
tough jay
Well the developer clearly though that the 5 bucks in brazil where enough of a compensation.
If I can buy the game now for that price instead of buying the game later on a sale yea I do think it is.
If I where to think of compensating developers for their works and pirating otherwise it would become a very weird scheme to me at least.
No I will not buy EA games I will pirate them, oh this indie game I respect a lot let's buy it 3 times.
A game developer / publisher demands a certain price and I am willing to pay that if I want to play the game.
At no point is the price income based other then some countries due to rampant piracy and overall lower wages having to pay less.
Poor people in Japan or the US (there are quite a lot of those as well) or people from poorer eu countries will have to pay full price still.
If you really want to compensate developers you also shouldn't buy games at big discounts right?
fringe salmon
they determine 5 bucks is enough FROM SOMEONE IN BRAZIL where a full priced game is literally more than the minimum wage, it's not based on it being enough for the costs they have in their own country.
it is the same as a sale, where they say hey, now IN YOUR COUNTRY we recouped the costs thanks to the people who bought it, so we can still buy food if we sell it lower to you
buying via vpn to basically pay nothing is morally the same as pirating and legally in a grey area but otherwise the same imo
novel umbra
Tbh most devs probably prefer pirating
Since they at least have a chance to make a sell if you decide to purchase it regularly
orchid prism
5 bucks beats zero bucks (aka. piracy)
fringe salmon
eh, that becomes a whole other conversation bc its 5 bucks vs a gamble of getting more etc.
or if we talk about 2 games its one game getting bought at 50 vs two at 5 etc.
orchid prism
Expecting people to buy a game years down the road after having pirated it is... optimistic.
Maybe when you hit DOS era games appearing on GOG. But by that time the folks who made the game won't get a dime anyhow.
ashen lark
I mean, many people bought Minecraft after having it pirated for years, but that is Minecraft
orchid prism
They need to buy it to play with others legitimately though. And on consoles.
ashen lark
Well, I am not speaking about console version, that is sth else
I mean, most popular server in my country does not require you to have paid Minecraft so, many people I know had mc pirated for long time.
tough jay
My point is that there are plenty of rich people in brazil and plenty of poor people in richer countries that cannot even play minimum wage.
People who buy games in general A have the time to play them and B have at least some financial resources to pay for them and their setup.
I would argue that the people who buy via vpn are probably often on the side of buying on sales or pirating otherwise anyway. So why not extend the same to them as well.
fringe salmon
why is it different from a sale is something I already wrote...
tough jay
and $5 vs 60 is rather extreme, in most cases the difference should be less from what I remember
fringe salmon
and you just agreed with my point that it basically is pirating
tough jay
Not at all
fringe salmon
yes not legally
tough jay
Moraly I am still going through their distribution channels only difference is I am digitally taking a trip to another country.
ashen lark
I mean, if you mean VPN things,
It is kinda pirating, but you at least pay sth to developers
Would not use VPN to get sale though, not very honest things to do 😄
fringe salmon
this whole conversation is about abusing VPNs to get sales... idk what else you are on about
tough jay
It's the digital equivilent of shopping across the border because the supermarkets are cheaper there.
ashen lark
Not entirely
fringe salmon
aside from not paying the taxes at the border...
and you cant really tell me europe or the us have a free haven tax thing with russia/brazil
small comet
"theres plenty of rich people in brazil" no
just no
id say the percentage of rich people is like most countries
ashen lark
Imo there is less % rich people in Brazil than in EU countries
tough jay
The tax thing is a minor point yea, I would prefer to just pay the taxes.
Either way I find geolocking and denying people from importing things because you want to sell it at a higher price elsewhere just kind of shitty. Even if the underlying motivations are not too terrible.
To me using a vpn is just a workaround for the underlying problem that brazilian stores are not allowed to sell to the rest of the world.
fringe salmon
you are not understanding what is going on
they are not selling it at a higher price
they are selling it at a lower price elsewhere
no that is not the same thing
tough jay
That does not really matter either way there is a price difference and game developers are preventing companies in these countries from allowing foreiners to buy things. Because they want to maintain the price difference
fringe salmon
no because they want to be able to continue be able to buy food without telling every brazilian customer to fuck off
I highly doubt a game studio wants to maintain the relative cost of living in countries
I'm fairly certain everyone would love for that to be the same so you dont need to make adjustments
tough jay
To me it's about the mechanisms more then the motivation
fringe salmon
the mechanism is a country having a fucked up economy, while the seller is living in a place where thats not the case so they cant survive with taking what would be local prices for that country and applying it elsewhere
tough jay
Mechanism is that store obtaining keys may only sell those to people currently in said countries. This to me is not something a developer should demand from a distributer.
fringe salmon
and they are not really doing that anymore because people don't abuse the system that much (currently)
the way you think, means it should cost 60$ everywhere, so in a case where relative value is the same, but your average person earns 4000$ a day you would still complain if they ask 80$ and then pay 30$ by buying it elswhere
tough jay
you still need a vpn so they are still demanding people's internet connection to be from that country. if a store where to drop the restriction and open to european and us ipadresses they would get in trouble and get their supply cut off.
fringe salmon
yes because too many people would buy with prices that are not set for them
tough jay
Hence the publisher going beyond what the scope of their control should be in my opinion.
fringe salmon
the publisher should not make sure they go bankrupt????? what
tough jay
No they should sell it at a price they can make a profit from and should accept that if the regional differences are to large sellers from that region will sell it to people from other regions.
fringe salmon
ok so your argument is they should just not sell it at all in other places
because that is how that ends up
like the game companies are not responsible for a country to fuck up their economy???
tough jay
They are not but why should games be one of the exceptions and should they be sold at a price that would be unsustainable if it where not for a large portion paying a much higher price than they do.
fringe salmon
because, believe it or not, many things get regional pricing adjustment, not just games, secondly it means you willingly ignore what it means if a economy is fucked up and are basically just a dick and tell people to fuck off because you dont want them to get a better deal than those who have it better
bleak pike
@orchid prism i didn't wanna pay £55 for the deluxe edition of an expansion that I knew was gonna be mediocre
🤣
That's my justification
I don't often buy games in Russia I usually just wait it out
I've bought 3 games from Russia
On steam
2 on epic
I don't vpn though
Since I have access to a Russian credit card
I don't feel guilty about it
Games cost to much for so little in return these days
Games I love and are praised I buy, ones I'm meh about I'll wait.
I rarely pirate
Even when I do I forget and just end up buying the game later on and deleting the game
fallow bronze
Patient gaming is the ~only~ best way to game :p
tough jay
I just don't see how just making people from poorer countries wait a bit longer until the sale cuts the price by quite a lot worldwide is such a big deal imo.
I have been mostly waiting on sales for years
bleak pike
I don't agree
Multiplayer games ain't something you tend to wait for
Battlefield for example during its peak
People in poorer countries should not have to wait
Because of their shitty government
fringe salmon
partly because if more people pirate/abuse the system it takes even longer for price cuts, partly because it really shouldn't be so hard to not be an ass and not pirate if you can afford it
bleak pike
Most 3rd worlds pirate tbf
Ye
Most people will buy pirate discs instead
In really bad places I mean
fringe salmon
can you afford it? buy it. didnt like it? refund. want it and can afford it but think its not worth that much? wait before you buy it
bleak pike
Well 2 hours isn't always enough time
fringe salmon
sure, then wait and watch a review
bleak pike
Reviews can't always allow you to decide
fringe salmon
with afford it I dont really mean you can barely afford it if you stop eating more than bread for a week
yes and sometimes you might only not like it after 5 hours, you also dont want a refund if you didnt like a movie
or maybe you want but nobody at a cinema asks for the money back
bleak pike
Games like horizon take 3 hours before irs even remotely interesting
tough jay
BTW I think region locking connecting to the servers is a perfectly valid way of doing things. If they want to do that I think that should fall under their control. Just demanding it from their sales channels is not imo.
fringe salmon
why is it so hard to pay the value for it and not argue you should pay less because a country that is literally about to have massive problems from gigantic locust swarms eating everything and basically causing starvations in mass, can pay less for it
if you dont think its worth that much just dont buy it and get something else
fallow bronze
I've bought the german bioshock by accident when i lived there... It has no english locale 😦 My german wasnt that good
fringe salmon
rip
fallow bronze
When i lived there i always used a proxy afterwards
bleak pike
Hey I ain't denying what I did is bad im just saying I don't care
fallow bronze
.. on my vps. ssh ftw
fringe salmon
but that was most likely due to censored bloody games etc. which thankfully got a lot better here the last years
bleak pike
Destiny 2 Shadowkeep was theft in daylight
🤣
As for other games I genuinely couldn't afford them and I refused to crack them
And my friends were all playing without me
fringe salmon
I'm fairly certain the point we were on was when you can afford it but just dont want to
fallow bronze
then wait till the price drops
fringe salmon
(and just to reiterate my point, no, buying in a sale is not the same as buying from some other country)
bleak pike
6 months and the "sale" was like £35
Couldn't afford it
So I just became Russian again
tough jay
To me it's just fair game if you make something legaly available with a workaround but I generally would not do it to support the developer though.
I just will not condem anyone who does regularly do it as I believe companies should not force their norms on sales upon the distributers. Yes it happens elsewhere as well but that does not make it good.
Restricting launching keys with a certain region is perfectly fine on that end just less consumer friendly.
fallow bronze
waiting has other benefits, like a better game, less bugs
bleak pike
That I agree on
tough jay
That too I can agree on
bleak pike
I was waiting for red dead for thst reason
But my friend bought it against my will
So yeeeeeeee
small comet
"legally available with a workaround" imo it should be illegal
fringe salmon
yeah and region keys are not that much of a thing because not enough people abuse the system for them to use them mostly, abusing vpns is still the same as pirating apart from it only being a legally grey area, that is not an argument for or agains it
my point is, abusing the system is the same as pirating so you basically either can't afford it (not the point of the talk) or tell the devs you dont think its worth what they ask for
bleak pike
The only time I don't like piracy is when people do it because free even when they can afford it
My friend mocks me for owning so many games
bleak pike
Pirating
fallow bronze
oh..
tough jay
My argument comes from a different direction and really only has to do with the way companies try to control other companies further down the chain. To tell them whom they can and cannot sell the games to.
fallow bronze
games a re so plentyful and cheap these days..
small comet
ur argument comes from u being a cheap skate
fringe salmon
but then you misunderstand how it works, you make it sound like they sell the keys to lets say steam, and then want to control steam, when they just use it as a platform to sell it
you could just do the same on the games website
small comet
The national minimum wage increase in Brazil
In 2019, the national minimum wage in Brazil remained fixed at 224.6 € per month, that is 2,695 euros per year, taking into account 12 payments per year.
lets just sell games for 60bucks to them
theyll thank us
fringe salmon
that's effectively the same as using a platform like steam, you just use steam instead of some webkit to make the game availible
small comet
taking a quarter of their payments
in rio alone theres enough people living in the slums (favela) that its equivilant to the percentage of people living in affordable apartments/houses for rent in any other major city around the world
small comet
i think buying games via vpn just to get them cheaper should be illegal
bleak pike
It technically is against ToS
tough jay
At no point dit I say that Brazil was not significantly poorer than most western nations even ignoring the poorest part of the population that would not buy games either way.
bleak pike
And can get you banned
small comet
buying games via vpn for extra content or vecause they arent available in your country sure do it
@tough jay ur argument sure sounda like your country is so poor and u need to buy games cheap
tough jay
Was never my point
bleak pike
The only reason I'm safe is because I don't have to switch regions
fringe salmon
the point was, I see it to be the same as piracy, how/when/if I support that or not is another topic, and that I think it is absolutely valid and fair that they get prices that are adjusted further beyond the 1:1 exchange rate if needed
small comet
same
the people of brazil didnt chose to have a fucked up economy
imo if u want cheap games actually move to brazil
im sure most platforms adjust for what the average person is capable of paying
with an upper limit obviously
real snow
which channel can i ask for support for csgo workin with wootility?
orchid prism
tough jay
I am just an idiot, I never bothered to fill in the account details as I never bought anything from the epic games store so it set my country to ukrain for some reason.
So that's why it displays things in UaH.
Oh well not that I care.
not going to buy anything from there anytime soon anyway
bleak pike
Asian deadpool
fading spade
AAAGHHH OMFGH YES YES YES YES YES
hollow sphinx
i like linux the more i use it
@fading spade do you use systemd? or dod you use a variation of the init system
fading spade
idgaf what I use :') as long as the OS boots, I am happy
I assume I am using systemD cause Manjaro
bleak pike
Holy fuck it happened https://twitter.com/theflow0/status/1280224554393178122?s=21
fringe salmon
Twitter
bleak pike
@fringe salmon yes but later versions can still be exploited which matters
Which means someone needs to make said web kit
wheat kraken
sadly doesn't support latest.
ngl I'd like to jailbreak my PS4 Pro but y'know
can't
ashen lark
orchid prism
ashen lark
wicked latch
Why are you gaming on Linux?
young hill
trim rock
Don't you guys have phones
orchid prism
ashen lark
hollow sphinx
inapp purchases
ashen lark
If games just were under same law same as Minecraft servers EULA that practically does not allow P2W (servers can not have paid competitive advantage mechanics.)
fading spade
There are still many many servers that break the EULA ;-;
Offering overpowered kits and things for paid ranks
hollow sphinx
^
fringe salmon
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200709005844/en/Epic-Games-Receives-Strategic-Investment-Sony-Corporation doesnt say much, but to me it looks like its making it more likely to get more playstation games to pc
orchid prism
fringe salmon
microsoft and origin to steam, sony and uplay to epic, reduction in the fragmentation of extra launchers, nice
ashen lark
Reminds me of salc1
fading spade
Yeh xd
keen urchin
Soda Dungeon 2 is out 🙂
young hill
glad terrace
the white and blue works pretty well... but I also kind of wish that it was a little more minimal in its design
proper cargo
novel umbra
@fringe salmon you still need origin and uplay to launch games
Not a lot has changed for ubisoft titles
Except that they have a free to play br rn
Which sucks imo
fringe salmon
well for now, the new jedi squadron thing for example doesnt have origin listed as a necessity and iirc one other game too, so that might change for only newer games
hollow sphinx
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/675112656 everspace hardcore no crafting no upgrades, sentinel
novel umbra
OHNONO
fringe salmon
look if gta gets a ps5 edition, ofc skyrim gets one
orchid prism
Maybe finally Rockstar will spend some of their earnings on improving GTA and RDR xD
fringe salmon
I'm getting one with digital only anyway so idc lol
novel umbra
lol
ngl
didn't plan on getting one
still disappointed
30fps games in a console released in 2020
which is more than powerful enough
bleak pike
cant be real
novel umbra
?
bleak pike
Skyrim
fringe salmon
demon souls, horizon, bloodborne, enough for me
novel umbra
could be fake
bleak pike
None are enough for me 😄
novel umbra
although I doubt that it wouldn;t be released on it
even then
if they still don't get a stable 60fps it isn't worth anything
and they don't
and thinking back at the ps4 where they made the same decisions
ehhhh
yeaaa no
bloodborne ran atrocious
the ps4 pro only helped a bit
bleak pike
i was an idiot getting a xbox one at launch