that's why I dunno about the difference in those models
#๐ฎโgame
west cedar
oh yeah nah
5700xt nitro+ is 450 euros
well with european VAT that's about the same
the model I'm looking at is the MSI evoke OC
the one that's actually fixed
410 for the pulse
410 for the red dragon as well
I wouldn't even consider the red devil or the nitro +, and they wouldn't fit in my case anyway
the extra cooling isn't worth 40 euros
they have more
I just cut off the rest as the list would be too long
there's 3 times as many, with the most expensive one being a red devil for 495 euros
yeah 100% sure
and only french retailers
there's a lot of powercolors over in the UK that do deliver to france
the only model that can't be found is the china only waifu card
and it's the same for the 5700, 5600 xt and 5500 xt
with several vendors having each
heh
all of these are available for the MSI evoke for instance, even the ones without a green button, those are just not partnered sites
nope, everything's fine and there are sales lol
also the case for team green
like what's the rarest model of an RTX 2xxx gpu you can think of?
well except for that custom jayz one
yeah that's the one I meant, sorry
dunno why I said jayz, prolly cause he makes videos about it that popup in my youtube recommendations all the time
even tho I'm not subbed
5 vendors
welp
i'm still reusing some of the parts of my "first" build from 2012 on my current machine
I might actually be able to end up making a second build with the leftover parts
ew laptops
ah
but you have like half a dozen cars
lol
the US is an interesting place
at least you can use the car to save on the 1000$ ambulance ride
just play lighter games
ez clap
idk I sometimes feel like phones are stronger than the switch
flagships, obviously
nah but like older phones
I mean something with a snapdragon 835
neither have I, as a result of the mobile gaming industry being so bad
only thing I did try was life is strange on a HTC U11
ran butter smooth but then again it's not like it's full of explosions
west cedar
heh
I just used to use lucky patcher and freedom for those
never spent a cent on IAP
young crow
is that an air freshener
bleak pike
yes
fringe salmon
30 series prob around gamescom again
west cedar
iono tbh, with coronavirus still closing factories in china at the current time...
surely will be a few months of additional delay for everything that comes from there
fading spade
fringe salmon
nah thats already factored in
big navi is slated for late summer/fall and ampere comes after to beat it with pricing etc.
and tsmc/samsung factories so far seem to be pretty well prepared for covid safety and such
west cedar
I saw big navi as slated for Q4 before covid but okay
fringe salmon
relatively to rdna1, big navi first taped out around the same timeframe, there are no leaked infos about issues with the card and its a known processing node now, so it should be around the same time as 5700 was out last year
west cedar
but the issue is that chains are stopped, they can release all they want in summer but if there's not enough components to build the gpus they're gonna have only a handful of units
fringe salmon
well they already announced orion SoC is using the new uArch and I'm pretty sure some high end consumers already have the ampere tesla cards in systems
so the announcement will just be closer to consumer cards this time
west cedar
gamer's nexus video on production plants in taiwan being slowed down due to covid should showcase the issues well enough
even factories that haven't shut down have slowed down production by a metric fuckton
either because they can't get the materials needed, or because they themselves can't work
in china it's worse
fringe salmon
sure but I think they still announce it and release it there, maybe just lower quantity at first
but unless a second wave hits tsmc or their suppliers I dont see them missing out of the holiday launch window
west cedar
there being... where?
fringe salmon
there = gamescom/the time q4 timeframe
west cedar
cause most electronics events from june got postoned or canceled
ah
welp we'll see
either way by the time it releases, and by the time there's actual useable versions of big navi 2 made by non deaf people in big enough numbers for the market (cause let's face it, AMD is still gonna stupidly go for thermal throttled blower fan designs in order to shoot itself in the foot for the first 6 months by having all reviews say their card runs hot and like garbo instead of actually hiring someone with a brain to design a normal efficient cooler), it'll easily be 2021
fringe salmon
nah we already know for big navi they use dual axis fans and not blower style
west cedar
only took em 5 years to realize it was shite
fringe salmon
ye
they will, till ampere
I think nvidia already knows amd is on their heels, I expect them to not fail like intel in recognizing it
bleak pike
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/product/world-war-z/home
fringe salmon
the good part is the supercomputer deals, means they have extra money and resources to improve the software
so for the near future, assuming not as many corona things happening as in this year, gpu battles should be quite nice
fading spade
"Hey Alyx?" "Yeh?" "You ever hear about a club sandwhich?" "No"
:'))
its just....wow
thats wow
I never will ;-; unless I get a decent PC and VR headset
trim rock
Yeah I'm just dodging everything about it until I can experience it properly in VR
fading spade
oo
orchid prism
bronze niche
Im sad Im playing half life alyx on the original oculus
I mean
its still fun
but it hurts to see people with more expensive shit having a cooler experience
trim rock
That's just life
west cedar
eh paying that much for controllers that support a single game seems like a bit of waste till more devs make use of it
bronze niche
oh well tho
fringe salmon
but you can also buy the index without the knuckles, vive controllers work too
west cedar
I would still go for an oculus quest over the index with those prices tbh
too bad the kunckles don't work with oculus sensors
fringe salmon
im just glad I got my rift before they it was EOL for the rift s lmao
fringe salmon
eh, inside out tracking will become better so additonal sensors will become optional for tracking behind your back etc.
bronze niche
or we will invent a magic way to track without cameras
I do really like my rift
glad I bought before the rift s
got 3 sensors mounted on my walls
pretty decent space to do vr in
fringe salmon
yeah if something like the quest is availible at 200, vr will see very big adoption spike I suspect
yup
west cedar
there's no way the quest gets to 200 euros
bronze niche
quest and rift s
west cedar
the quest is the rift 1 with the rift s specs and none of the lenovo bullshit added
bronze niche
I've heard nothing but good things about the quest
fringe salmon
the issue with the rift s are not the sensors, it's that the rest is a downgrade (mostly) when it comes to the sceens
west cedar
it works standalone which no one cares about but it can also connect to a PC
it's got an actual IPD slider, too
fringe salmon
west cedar
I just don't understand what the point of the Rift S is
fringe salmon
well yea of course, because the features went up
west cedar
it's a downgrade to the OG rift in almost every aspect, but it costs more
fringe salmon
nah cost is the same
west cedar
MSRP maybe
but the actual cost in here is higher
rift was around 350โฌ after a couple months while the rift S is still at 440
fringe salmon
even towards the end I could only get the rift for 399, never saw it lower aside from short sales
vr headsets will get cheaper, from the build in cpu/gpu getting cheaper like the pc counter parts, and screens getting cheaper to produce etc.
west cedar
hmm, you might want to check amazon.fr more often when buying electronics in the EU then
it's like how the 5700xt series seem to be 50โฌ less in france than in germany atm for some models
at least according to geizhals
fringe salmon
bought it directly from oculus, I prefer not going through 5 loops in case I need to rma or something like that
especially not through a site in another language
west cedar
fair
amazon.fr does have english support tho
in France, apart from amazon, all 10 pc parts vendors online have actual stores, there's not really any site that does online only sales
which does make it simple
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
oh?
fringe salmon
yeah you need to pay for shipping of returns in the us lmao
west cedar
rofl
yea no here it's "press return button, get code to scan or enter at the post office, apply prepaid sticker that the post office machine gives you, done"
or you can print the return label yourself and either go post the package, or put it in your mailbox and the postman will pick it up next morning
if you buy from another amazon store than your own countries' one, you need to pay for shipping then contact support and provide a scan or pic of the receipt with the tracking info
in all cases the refund is instant for shipping and for the product itself, before it even arrives
unless you're caught returning empty boxes or something lul
fading spade
You guys have good tech shops?
Lucky ;_;
We got overpriced computers and laptops here
bleak pike
How is borderlands still not optimzed?!?
ripe tendon
I've only played it on something high end so I don't have a good point of view
bleak pike
mate
loads of people still have issues even in 2020 with shit like 2070-2080tis
my fps is fine
stutter etc is the issue which is a major issue for a lot still
ripe tendon
I was able to get it to do well at 4k with a 1080 and a 1700x so I don't know
could be certain hardware or some weird shit
I've not played it with the 3700x yet
bleak pike
Uploading vids now
i think you will be surprised
No matter what settings i use
its like this
west cedar
@fading spade yeah the laws in france are so punitive towards companies like amazon to discourage shutting down stores that it ended up shutting down any attempt at making online only stores. The closest to that are two sites called rueducommerce and cdiscount, but both are parts of groups that have supermarkets in france, and both those supermarket chains sell actual PC hardware in their stores (even stuff like GPUs sometimes).
It's honestly pretty cool cause it also means you can go test hardware in person before buying it, or get it delivered to the store and test it before buying it
ripe tendon
I dunno Callum. I'd definitely check the dx12 vs dx11. You on steam or epic?
ripe tendon
Definitely weird, imo then. I've never gotten similar performance between dx11 and 12
fading spade
I am the Resin sniffer ,I can find Resin within 10 kilometres
just a 1080
cries in integrated graphics
fringe salmon
Relative to that resolution, and callum saying 2080 apparently has issue, yes, just a 1080
fading spade
i was pushing 2560 * 1080 with just a gtx860m
if a game is struggling, you CANNOT lower the resolution
there is no 21:9 resolution thats lower than that
fringe salmon
You can if the game itself offers a resolution scaling option for example
Or just use a 16:9 format and lower it that way etc.
fading spade
every game shows its using 16:9 even when it works correctly on 21:9
and gets the resolution right also
fringe salmon
What
fading spade
Valve: makes the flashlight automatically turn on in darkness
Also Valve: hard codes the locations it turns on
fringe salmon
I have multiple games where I know from memory ist shows 21:9 when it is using that, including BL3
fringe salmon
Also forcing a resolution in the Nvidia driver panel forces the game to use that, would also work to lower it
ripe tendon
Project Upgrade Lana with spare parts so she doesn't have to play Minecraft anymore
fringe salmon
she will just use that pc power to make more complicated UI designs anyway
orchid prism
Equal rights for all potats
ripe tendon
For all Irelanders
fading spade
O.o
orchid prism
west cedar
:(
fringe salmon
to quote what I saw on twitter: "As much as I'm excited, if this isn't a full remake it could alienate the audience automata gained. Nier was a gem, but it was a gem wrapped in a very bland package. As much as I loved it, it's a HUGE step back from Automata, even if it's much prettier"
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ I just think the statement is true because a lot of people that liked automata have no clue what the previous nier was and just have wrong expectations
also I dont know if that means you like mg rising or not lmao
so I assume that means you're not a big platinum fan?
or is it because of that that you enjoy it? lol
Armstrong is just someone that would totally fit in a kojima game, its amazing how good platinum did that part imo
im still hoping for rising 2
also, did you see the MGS story recap by dunkey?
its amazing
the comments are also great https://i.gyazo.com/10a0be1674aec2c81a4a335729e4bf4e.png
yea its a mix of joke and actually doing a good recap
cant believe he got kojima to tell him the real mastermind so he could put it at the end of the video
ripe tendon
Wow, didn't take Last Oasis long to go offline and start offering refunds
3 days, lol
bleak pike
Is it that bad?
orchid prism
Looks like an interesting game.
IT HAS SHAI HULUD!
On the wishlist it goes. Waiting till release.
Well 1.0, gold. This was just Early Access, right?
orchid prism
Ehh... I don't necessarily agree with that, Callum.
I have a LOT of thoroughly enjoyable hours in EA games.
Factorio, Rimworld, Satisfactory - Hell even ARK was "worth" the money wayyyyyyy back in development.
bleak pike
I'll give factorio credit
Ark not so much
Needed a super computer for that game for a while lol
orchid prism
Stillborn games is always a risk. And obviously overwhelming reviews by friends and family helps pick and choose.
bleak pike
XD
I still need to finish the first
Went to play it again recently but completely forgot how to play
ripe tendon
ARK was worth it since you could get it as low as like $10 at times. Then they released they slapped $60 for some reason
Also both divinity original sin's are EA and Kickstarter games
7 Days to Die however will never actually release
bleak pike
using fitgirl
for a game that costs pennies
lol
its a pretty special game
they got what looks like a 14yo biking with them on these trails
Wot
fading spade
typed in wrong channel xd
fading spade
I made new minecraft folder, made a new profile for 1.12.2 and told it to use that folder, and it crashes on launch
orchid prism
fading spade
i switched it to java 11 and it crashes still
fading spade
bleak pike
lol
tacit rose
The villager invasion XD
hollow sphinx
hollow sphinx
maybe i will
ripe tendon
I like how companies have their own ways of confirming your acct if you can no longer access the account.
Them: Please provide your payment invoice number your received when purchasing the game
Me: I haven't bought the game I was just in a beta
Them: Thanks for confirming your acct, 2FA has been removed
ripe tendon
That's why I like it
I imagine somebody being like "oh I don't have that invoice anymore but I definitely bought it" lol
made me laugh when they replied with the thanks
unique bane
@vital wyvern https://youtu.be/tIqZEMCC5nA?t=7145 check this graphics when he goes on top of the cliff bro
my stomach hurts at the height ๐
https://youtu.be/tIqZEMCC5nA?t=7280 rip ogre
fading spade
the Lana dimension in minecraft snapshot infinity xd
Minecraft dimension :O
O.o
oh shizz
fading spade
skygrid dimension!
WTF?
this block is called any but I cant pick it or find it in the menu
I can setblock it
why does it move??
bleak pike
@fading spade mod or server mod?
fading spade
the new snapshot
@fading spade mod or server mod?
@bleak pike
bleak pike
wot
fading spade
load up the launcher and use the snapshot profile
make a nether portal
write a word in book and quill and sign it
toss it into the portal and see what happens
bleak pike
Oh right April 1st
fading spade
there are <64 bit limit> number of dimensions!
orchid prism
https://twitter.com/CrabChampions/status/1245775818321735682?s=20
This - This is the kind of eSports I can get into.
I know right ๐
bronze niche
isn't that game just a meme of the crab rave music video?
bleak pike
Probably because physical sales would have tanked https://kotaku.com/the-last-of-us-ii-delayed-indefinitely-1842646231
orchid prism
orchid prism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6sC2b7BBA
Valorant actually looks... kind of neat? Still not a "one life" fan, but it looks a lot more interesting than CS.
fringe salmon
idk it looks like a more simplified version of paladins
orchid prism
My take - CS but with Overwatch mechanics. Not too over the top, but it mixes skill based shooting, really tight map design (function over design) and fun mechanics through classes. So it doesn't go quite as stale as CS:
They can only go so far - And this is mainly to prevent the other team abusing fast roles.
Seems like your typical CS:GO map. Corridors and a connector. Well on one map - Mr. Owl noted that the map designer (de_Cache map maker apparently?) wants a gimmick for each map.
bleak pike
Most shooters bore me personally
orchid prism
Quake for life here, but this actually sounds like it could make "counterstrike" something I could tolerate ๐
orchid prism
fringe salmon
why not, not trying to get a key?
right
yea anti cheat wont be supporting linux for sure
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
trim rock
<VFIO meme>
It's when you have Windows in a VM and passthrough your GPU
Yes because people keep saying it's super easy and totally worth it but then you see that it needs 2 GPUs to work well and all that
Also anticheats don't like VMs ๐
bleak pike
i did what tino said
had 2 ssds
one for windows and one for linux
but i ended up playing destiny so much i stopped bothering to boot linux up
lol
fading spade
o.o
bleak pike
i just cant be bothered rebooting into windows to close d2 then back into linux then maybe an hour later d2 again.
fading spade
xd
fringe salmon
see, so just stay on windows
wheat kraken
I've done it before and it's not that much powerdraw
use a low level quadro or something for host
like a p600
bleak pike
One of my friends doesnโt even bother with any of then choices
He just has 2 systems
wheat kraken
shrug
Normally I'd run linux on my laptop but it was being a bitch last time I tried
bleak pike
I used to but my sister uses it for uni now
And well Linux isnโt exactly easy to get used to
wheat kraken
yeah i get that
wheat kraken
^
fading spade
especially on Ubuntu bases
and gnome desktop too
PopOS is nice, it has auto rotate enabled by default and also wacom support from gnome desktop
or plain ubuntu
wheat kraken
I like xfce but sadly getting proper compositing working on it is extremely difficult
no matter how many fucking guides and other shit i've followed
fading spade
a lot of people use Compton on xfce
wheat kraken
i've tried it before
fading spade
ahh right
I see xfce as a base desktop to build a tiling WM ontop of, its extremely barebones
wheat kraken
I don't know if I'm too square brain to make it work or some shit
honestly. I love openbox with xfce assets
fading spade
I suggest looking around the tiling WM community, they usually use compton and may have a nice config file you could yoink
wheat kraken
tiling is bad but i'll check next time I try dealing with lincucks
wheat kraken
i know
i'm just saying
I really wanna hackintosh my x250 but I'm too fucking lazy
bleak pike
orchid prism
lone oasis
Ooh subnautica is on sale on steam, do you already have it @vital wyvern ?
willow quiver
@lone oasis yeah why u asking him? it's not a CO-OP game i
lone oasis
because in the past we discussed the game and you said you weren't sure about buying it because it wasn't released yet
willow quiver
now this game: https://twitter.com/GreenHellGame get's CO-OP in 3 days... Highly recommended
Twitter
lone oasis
@vital wyvern
willow quiver
below zero is just a re-skin
orchid prism
I mean you're not wrong - This is what we called an EXPANSION PACK back in the day.
God I feel old just saying that ๐
Man... I still remember the massive backlash Bethesda got when they released HORSE ARMOR as paid DLC for Oblivion. This was at the beginning of DLC as a thing.
willow quiver
Yeah i don't like developers who release an Expansion as a whole new game. That's a some shady moneygrab tactic
orchid prism
They didn't?
willow quiver
willow quiver
twenty bucks is about average for survival games :S
orchid prism
You and I have very different ideas of payment ๐
willow quiver
Subnautica has a "story" ? first game's story was almsot non-existent from what i remember
so how do you complete the game? what did that big crashed spaceship ever do anything other than blow up?
orchid prism
The big ship - as you called it, contained a ton of logs as well as gear and recipes you needed.
willow quiver
is that even possible? i thought the game was just about living under water
orchid prism
I uh... I think you need to actually play it ๐
To an extent - You will eventually run out of resources.
You're intended to progress eventually ๐
Sure - But finite metals and such. And phish
I definitely wouldn't mind a larger map intended for real multiplayer survival mechanics. Setting up a proper base.
Base building is kind of pointless in the game.
willow quiver
coolest part of that game was exploring with the submarine
i spawned one in and went deep
you say potato i say tomato... okay?
orchid prism
And it's on the same planet - Which is a bit moot, since you're in an entirely different biome.
willow quiver
im actually interested in the plot of "below zero" how can they be stupid enough to CRASH ON YET ANOTHER PLANET??? Lel
is it the same story recycled or something just on an ice planet?
orchid prism
I am not going to answer that, because there is heavy plot
That would be pretty huge spoilers for the game ๐
willow quiver
same planet? ๐ฎ
so you escaped the planet in the first game then you returned to the planet and visited the ice biome (hopefully didn't crash your big ship this time? lol)
orchid prism
Not the same people.
Also since you keep insisting I spoil you - The first game wasn't entirely a crash, as much as being shot down by a giant fucking laser, left behind by ancient aliens ๐
willow quiver
those games are already an success
BAH HUMBAG
Let me guess... it's the plot from Stargate SG1 xD
Seriously though, is anyone feeling this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xbVm40RuTM
Now that's more my sort of game!
@flat frost we think alike
probably because we both like guns ๐
big games have to be watered down but it's still a cool concept
the infared mode is cool
bleak pike
fringe salmon
you post that in gametalk when I alread posted that in general earlier callum smh
fading spade
Ah yes
Cause the world's militaries will accidently buy $70,000 worth of call of duty instead of a Humvee
Activision was sued for using Humvees in call of duty on the grounds of being confusing to potential Humvee customers
Ofc Activision won
Cause yes
orchid prism
They could have lost that one easily.
There's a reason why GTA has always used fake name and changed the visuals of cars just slightly.
Too alike and you're in hot water - Ironically. You'd think a weapons manufacturer would LOVE to have their weapons featured in a game. And vehicles. But alas.
orchid prism
Rockstar doesn't go for realism - And can avoid licensing because of it ๐
fading spade
true
orchid prism
Naw.
AM General's case against Activision was dismissed, with Judge Daniels reportedly saying "If realism is an artistic goal, then the presence in Modern Warfare games of vehicles employed by actual militaries undoubtedly furthers that goal." The judge also noted that "there were several instances where AM General's vehicles were present at promotional Call of Duty events with both the manufacturer and Activision's logo," which proved Activision wasn't trying to trick people into thinking they invented or owned the license for Humvees.
It's a weird ruling, but one I can agree with.
fading spade
the thing is, EVERYONE knows that Activision never made humvees
like duh
they make video games
orchid prism
Mhmm.
And they're not trying to make any kind of statement that objects with how humwees are used in the real situation.
fading spade
damage modelling?
orchid prism
Copyright and licenses are such a pain and stifles creativty where there are no issues.
weak cypress
It's just too clunky.
One nice thing about the pandemic is that there's an outbreak of free games on the internet.
No huge games though, so that's telling.
weak cypress
And Tomb Raider, which are either the exceptions, or confirmation of the statement.
Plus WWZ was free on Epic, they always have free games in cycles.
fringe salmon
but wwz wasn't planned in the rotation, only got added on the day the rotation switched
ripe tendon
it's not free forever though is it?
ripe tendon
oh I thought it was just a weekend or a week
wheat kraken
Wwz looked fun so I grabbed it
willow quiver
looked being the key word xD
wheat kraken
I don't know. You say that but I've heard it just plays like any ol' l4d
willow quiver
has no replay value after u done 5 rounds in multiplayer unless single player is your thing
lol hell no... L4D is much better
WWZ multiplayer is a shell of a game in comparison
fringe salmon
subjective, friend prefers it over l4d and I think I prefer wwz too
wheat kraken
L4D feels too dated to be fun for me. Source engine's bullshit with slowing down your character while being attacked and it's Nerf gun damage levels make the game mildly unbearable
willow quiver
objective when i base my analysis on game design, but you are of course free to enjoy an inferior product, if it gives u value then great.
dates are not relevant when it comes to game design
ripe tendon
I love when people use objective for something that isn't objective
Like that dude that said Fallout 76 was objectively bad
Sure it's pretty hated buuut that's now how words works
orchid prism
But Fallout 76 IS objectively bad ๐
wheat kraken
FO76 is p'bad m8. But I'm hoping they fix their fuckin issues in the upcoming update thing
willow quiver
@ripe tendon I work in game design, you can have an objective analysis of something without being emotionally attached.
ripe tendon
Sure 76 is bad I don't deny that but you can't claim that is it objectively bad
orchid prism
Oh I can definitely do just that ๐
orchid prism
I disagree.
It fails to accomplish one of the basic pillars it was designed on. Immersive gameplay.
wheat kraken
I don't know. I've got buddies who play it and say it isn't all that bad. Plus I've been watching this dude Kevinuit or something similar and he makes it look rather entertaining to the point where I've considered buying it
orchid prism
Having servers that take up to FIVE seconds to respond to something as basic as a button press is not immersive.
The world is dead - And not Fallout dead. Your only source of social interaction is through text. Which Fallout hasn't done for almost two decades.
I gave it an objective try for a week - And it failed.
wheat kraken
Yeah but you can't claim that last part when the new update comes out
orchid prism
Of course I can - It doesn't magically retrofit the existing world.
wheat kraken
Raiders or whatever it's called is going to add NPCs
orchid prism
Bethesda don't re-do content. They add new instances. Just look at every single DLC for Fallout thus far.
Teleporters everywhere.
wheat kraken
Like normal talk to etc
willow quiver
WWZ is half a game, it could have been good but they stopped developing it after the game had the "bare minimum" to be considered AAA+. It lacks content/character/atmosphere. L4D was objectively a better game and franchise. I haven't played the single player of WWZ though so maybe it fares slightly better than the very repetitive/weak multiplayer.
wheat kraken
Wastelanders. That's what it's called
ripe tendon
My issue is that good and bad are subjective terms so saying something is objectively bad doesn't make sense
wheat kraken
^
orchid prism
Pedantry. In MY server? More likely than you think ๐
Objectively - It fails to pull its weight on its basic design pillars. That's objectively bad.
willow quiver
@ripe tendon objective analysis exists. You should look it up
orchid prism
Everything is debatable.
ripe tendon
2+2=4 is not debatable
orchid prism
Pedantry. In MY server? More likely than you think ๐
@orchid prism
wheat kraken
"In addition to introducing fully voiced NPCs to the world of Fallout 76, Wastelanders brings a brand-new main questline, new locations, new enemies, new weapons, a new reputation system and much more."
ripe tendon
So definitions are pedantic lol
willow quiver
Also to say WWZ is better than L4D is ludicrous. Valve are much better developers than "Saber Interactive". If Valve made a L4D3 there would be no comparison of how bad WWZ would stack up.
fringe salmon
wwz has much more wepaons, I prefer having more zombies that are just cannon fodder, better graphics etc. I like having perks, I like having a partly stealthy approach, I like the horde mode they added
orchid prism
Just as I imagined. New locales. So the old original world stays dead ๐
ripe tendon
You literally have no idea what L4D3 would be but you're making absurd assumptions based on it lol
fringe salmon
also valve can fail in a game just like a other dev can make a good game, just look at artifact
wheat kraken
New locations doesn't mean the old ones are ignored
willow quiver
@fringe salmon quality > quantity. Weapons in wwz all feel very shallow.
orchid prism
If it isn't specifically mentioned, it's a pretty safe bet though, Lumi ๐
wheat kraken
Im giving them a chance to fix their fuck up instead of just throwing them under the bus and calling it a day
fringe salmon
ok so you disagree on 1/7 points I listed and now?
willow quiver
@ripe tendon I'm making Presumptions based on past works.
wwz zombies feel much more like cannon fodder than L4D
ripe tendon
I'll throw Bethesda under a bus all day but I can't claim their game is objectively bad because that's nonsensical
orchid prism
They had their chance to impress me at launch - They failed.
They had another chance to impress me, once the dust had settled, and I forced myself to play a week - They failed.
If you enjoy the game by all means - I'm done with it. The latency issues alone is enough to make anyone want to uninstall it and just launch Fallout 4. A world so dead that you're forced to put on reading glasses to get any kind of immersion is just four steps backwards.
willow quiver
you can run around them easily and they don't feel frightening at all
orchid prism
Especially when you're constantly trying to give players the fake idea that NPCs are there, doing things - You just don't see them.
willow quiver
i was also getting the most kills in the games i was joining after only playing a couple of matches
ripe tendon
^what the fuck is that argument?
willow quiver
wwz multiplayer is nothing but a novelty good for a few games then your done
idk if single player is any good
wheat kraken
I'm just saying they're trying to fix their fuckups and I'm willing to give them a chance
orchid prism
"Oh so sorry I missed you - Here's a note explaining what just happened, and what I want you to do"
Repeat ad infinitum.
wheat kraken
Could turn out to be complete trite but hey
orchid prism
๐
fringe salmon
idk for me it has much more replay value than l4d multiplayer
wheat kraken
I go outside enough when I go to work
willow quiver
@vital wyvern people always tend to defend bad products when they're free
orchid prism
We can't all have a nice nature, Fleim. I have a shitty city park with some hills and a few trees. ๐
wheat kraken
Hell I'm surrounded by nature.
fringe salmon
I dont think 76 is free yet?
keen urchin
I claim Skyrim is objectively bad. Because the engine is terrible.
fringe salmon
yeah but tino clearly was referring to the discussion about 76 not wwz
ripe tendon
Haven't you spent like a shit ton of hours modding stuff in Skyrim?
wheat kraken
I didn't enjoy Skyrim personally. Just couldn't get into it.
fading spade
Skyrim? check out #๐ปโmusic xd
willow quiver
wwz has no replay value compared to L4D... you just sideing against L4D because it's old, but that's like saying the original banjo kazooie on N64 is not as good as the newest one because it's old xD
whatever though i guess
fringe salmon
and? I dont care if it was good at launch, if now there is a better option x years later
I play what is better now, not on their own release
keen urchin
I could not play unmodded Skyrim. I'd get migraines and nausea after a few minutes.
wheat kraken
I'm siding against L4D because it's game play isn't any better. The guns feel like spiting would be more powerful, the zombies are like they're made of honey with the way you're slowed down and literally can't move if only one is hitting you.
willow quiver
take a classic that defined an era and call it worse than a newer skinjob cashgrab widely regarded as garbage by all means, whatever floats your boat mate.
fringe salmon
im not taking away anything that l4d did great, but if I now have a game that offers me more, why bother playing something else just to say "well it did it first" basically
willow quiver
or you could not play either
fringe salmon
yeah, I could have fun or not, you're right
willow quiver
if L4D is too old for your likeing wait for something better to come along rather than settling for a turd
fringe salmon
so because a game has some issues I should instead not play anything at all
ok sure
willow quiver
your logic is honestly faulty when it comes to determining whether a game is worth playing
fringe salmon
if I have fun, I play it, that's my logic
willow quiver
if you don't judge a game based on past works you have no standards to compare something with
i mean if wwz was still being developed it would be something, but it doesn't even have a basic roll and the weapons have no real feel, way too many classes, zombies are not at all scary, list goes on.
fringe salmon
I played L4d, for 12 hours, enjoyed my time, but mostly because I had fun with the people, the game itself was not that amazing for me
if I want scary zombies I play a horror game not a shooter
willow quiver
Except the game is supposed to be based on an Horror/Action film. It does none of the horror and i've had more action in animal crossing than i get from wwz's multiplayer.
fringe salmon
but I'm not analyzing it, I also didn't watch the movie so I really couldn't care less if its accurate, for me it's just a random game and if I have fun playing it, I'll play it
it's a valid reason to not like it if you liked the movie and wanted to see that in game, I just have other preferences ๐
lone oasis
why aren't you playing animal crossing @vital wyvern
willow quiver
I analyze every game I consider playing before and after purchase to see if it's worth my time/money (WWZ was free when i downloaded it) so i don't really care.
fringe salmon
so for you it's a worse game, for me it's a better one because we have different priorities, sounds pretty normal for a subjective topic ๐
willow quiver
I played about an hour in the multiplayer, got the most pvp kills in nearly every match i played, then determined it's not very good compared to similar games i've played in the past and not worth the SSD space.
cinder wadi
I thought WWZ to be made for PVE? I like coop PVE games for some relaxed gaming sessions with friends. ๐
novel umbra
L4D pvp was just plain bad, dunno why someone likes that game 
fringe salmon
also not sure how the skill of other random person relates to the game itself, but ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ im not arguing any further
cinder wadi
I played L4D2 in its time, but I need a constant stream of fresh new games. Can't play one for years. ๐
willow quiver
Arma runs fine for me
willow quiver
Squad is old news
Post Scriptum is probably more fun
Offworld Industries are working on a new game called Beyond The Wire
WWI game
Post Scriptum is WWII
sleek gorge
post scriptum seemed like it was dying when i last looked into it
maybe it's bouncing back
lone oasis
willow quiver
@flat frost I have a Ryzen 3700X paired with a RTX 2080. Arma 3 doesn't put a dent in it.
fringe salmon
if you need top hardware from 2019, to run a game from 2013, that isn't really saying it runs good lmao
bleak pike
Pretty much ๐คฃ
weak cypress
Crysis though.
ripe tendon
So FFVII Remake won't have Red XIII as a playable character and fuck them for that.
As well as all the others encountered later. Terrible.
ripe tendon
I mean in the entire game
orchid prism
In an interview published Monday by VG247, FF7 Remake co-director Naoki Hamaguchi confirmed that Red XIII, the talking fiery wolf-dog creature that joins the party in the original, won't be a playable character in this first entry.
As I thought. ๐
Makes perfect sense to me in this particular case - You have maybe... what.. 5-10minutes of potential playtime with him as you are escaping Shinra HQ. The first disc ends after the highway chase immediately after.
ripe tendon
That's not bad then
novel umbra
btw did they change character designs because some japanese guys complained that woman over 20 don't look like children?
novel umbra
wdym with "the opposite"?
orchid prism
My personal gripe is the episodic nature.
I would have preferred the entire game at once.
Doesn't change my preference ๐
orchid prism
I expect a lot of cosmetic DLC and other cashgrabs ๐
I mean they fucked up the original gameplay, so fears were reasonable ๐
bleak pike
Holy shit https://youtu.be/BKcsoE5X4fc
edgy orchid
anyone who can recommend some good RTS games?
or singeplayer-adventure-action-kindof game
edgy orchid
Thanks, i'll check those out :)
fading spade
ooo, I just learned that half Life Alyx, changes your player model height to match your height IRL
so your character is taller if you taller and whatnot
fringe salmon
erm idk what you thought about VR before, but that is pretty normal, as it usually just sets your head to where the headset is in the room
fringe salmon
how else would it work fi your head would be elsewhere
fading spade
but I thought your character was fixed to a certain maximum height
and then could lean down to see lower towards the ground and whatever
fringe salmon
you can lean lower anyway...
fading spade
yeah I know
fringe salmon
especially if in singleplayer where you only see your hands anyway
anything that isn't just "head is where headset is" is doing extra work for whatever reason
ripe tendon
Played the Dishonoreds already?
frosty dew
what about Thief?
orchid prism
The one for Xbox wasn't so dated.
Kind of have the dishonoured vibe, except it's actually good 
fringe salmon
dues ex can be a nice stealth game too
and we might even get the third part of the new games next year 5 years between human revolution and mankind divided so assuming 5 for the next one, 2021 could be the year
ripe tendon
The newest Thief is better than Dishonored? First time hearing that
Also the Styx games
fringe salmon
I did like both of them, thief probably more because it had less , well, issues, than dishonored imo
ripe tendon
I haven't played it much but I thought it was riddled with issues on launch. Maybe they've fixed that
fringe salmon
came out in 2014 I played it some time during 2015 looking at steam, so maybe
ripe tendon
Welp guess I'll have to play it again and see
I need to con one of my buddies into playing Styx co-op as well
fringe salmon
I do remember one point where I had to reload something, but was a common issue apparently so at least I found the solution very fast
orchid prism
I have a personal distaste for Dishonoured. That's on me ๐
frosty dew
i had thief preordered for 2014.
... i never finished it
not even sure why
i think i had gotten rather far
keen urchin
I only ever played the original Thief
And I'd recommend it still
Start with that if you want the entire story
orchid prism
The third one is a Lot more modern. The first two definitely have that early 3D era feel.
keen urchin
Oh yeah, hands have like what, 8 polygons?
It's pretty decent for it's age, though
Definitely still comfortable to play
tough jay
From what I remember TrueAudio was something in hardware on pretty much only the R 200 - 300 series
Later they ditched that and went for a software solution.
timber stone
anyone here play star citizen?
trim rock
Yeah, sometimes
glad badger
has anyone of you guys picked up DOOM eternal already i was wondering whether or not it was worth the price tag
fading spade
O.o
bleak pike
fading spade
oo yas
bleak pike
sleek gorge
๐คข
gaunt lance
Idk i kinda like that oops
fringe salmon
I mean, I hold it in my hands to use, not to look at it, so function >>>>> looks
that said, I think it looks just fine
trim rock
Stadia Pro free 2 month trial waow just trying it out right now oh dear christ the input lag is ridiculous
And the quality is shit
fading spade
installing steam on Manjaro gives you controller udev rules too ๐ค
odd one but neat
weak cypress
Yea, and you better keep them up to date if you want to use all of them.
slow bison
Has anyone got a good profile set up for GTA V?
slow bison
Nice, thanks
mild venture
pd2?
bleak pike
AHJHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Spiderman is on PSNOW
orchid prism
fml
Took half an hour to get Minecraft running last night. Damn Java distros
Also holy shit - Classic Pack takes over a minute to launch every time.
bleak pike
That thatโs a modded pack
With 172 mods bro
Ofc itโs going to take ages
DDSS takes like 6 min on an ssd lol
Thatโs also not enough ram
Which will slow it down
For packs like this you need at lest 6-8gb
When you said classic pack I thought you meant vannila xD
@orchid prism play with us
orchid prism
orchid prism
I haven't touched the pack in any way. It's just the default launch. ๐๐
I spent half an hour fixing java issues. I've barely started playing. Let alone fiddling with anything
bleak pike
Itโs pretty simple, just use multi mc
Multi MC is your best friend
Especially on Linux
orchid prism
This is all Greek to me.
Keep in mind that the last time I played this dang game properly, Minecart tracks weren't even functional in MP yet. No nether either 
frosty dew
probably meaning the issue that the modpacks all only run on a older version of java
bleak pike
I mean
orchid prism
Yup. It needs... 8 I think.
frosty dew
yeah. i once tried to figure that out for hours... and then had like the issue of pathing the minecrafts to their correct versions...
orchid prism
So what's your MC server running anyhow?
bleak pike
Java 8 works fine with 1.7 - 1.12
bleak pike
Irs running dungeons, dragons and spacedicks
frosty dew
i also play good old plain minecraft on the newest version
fading spade
Modded works fine in Linux
fading spade
We even have the technic launcher no
bleak pike
Everyone I know whoโs ran heavy packs always runs out of ram
orchid prism
goes back to classic pack. None of this newfangled nonsense makes any sense
frosty dew
xD
bleak pike
Why are you even playing a heavily modded pack
If you havenโt played since alpha
Lol
orchid prism
Cause vanilla is for losers.
bleak pike
Amen
fading spade
Mmn so hard ;)
bleak pike
@vital wyvern lasted a week, also we moved server and no more lag Tino
frosty dew
i think there is beauty in building all the redstone stuff in vanilla 
fading spade
I find modded terrible for redstone
It makes it really laggy
bleak pike
You got a switch or emulator
fading spade
@frosty dew that emoji looks like the click and his cat avatar
bleak pike
Modded removed the need for red stone
frosty dew
i'm occupied with acnh 
bleak pike
Why use redstone when you can literally program
frosty dew
@fading spade who?
fading spade
He is YouTuber
orchid prism
Because I'm trying to play a game, not learn a trade skill or get a second job, Callum ๐
fading spade
Who's so fucking sexy ๐คค
bleak pike
orchid prism
This - This is why I picked Classic Pack. Womble's having fun with it. Some pretty bases ๐
orchid prism
Again - I don't "beat" minecraft ๐
frosty dew
regarding modded minecraft: i usually only play with one, or two handfuls of mods... otherwise it gets too much for me...
i only have so much time and all
orchid prism
I just enjoy building pretty and functional stuff.
orchid prism
frosty dew
how can you beat minecraft or modpacks? ๐ค
bleak pike
Itโs illegal to have fun
@frosty dew quest lines and well completing every mod
My biggest issue was Iโve done pretty much everything and I have everything I could want or need why bother
I can make huge factories etc sure
orchid prism
How tf do I take a screenshot in MC.
bleak pike
Itโs why I like harder packs, you canโt just complete them fast, 2 months Iโm currently
orchid prism
Can't print screen it
frosty dew
f2
orchid prism
Now where did it put it ๐
bleak pike
Minecraft folder
bleak pike
Which is usually wherever you installed tekkit
Heโs not playing vanilla
So it wonโt be in app data
orchid prism
This is literally how much I have accomplished thus far. I am not in a hurry. A nice little castle wall to wall in my little hidey hole, a kitchen garden for garlic and such. And a small mine pit.
frosty dew
last time i used tekkit it saved everything in appdata too under .technic
bleak pike
You playing SP?
orchid prism
Yep.
bleak pike
Fair
I only play on servers so I can keep shit chunk loaded and play with friends
Private ones
I mean
orchid prism
My first day consisted of trying to figure out how to make basic tools and getting dropkicked by skeletons till I had half a heart. I literally hid in a dirt hole till dawn to avoid dying ๐
frosty dew
btw, you heard of sci craft?
orchid prism
orchid prism
At least now that I have a sustainable base, I can start learning all of this Technix arcane stuff.
frosty dew
group of minecrafters. living that vanilla minecraft life. they need no mods to do chunkloading
orchid prism
fading spade
got two minecraft folders, profit :P
group of minecrafters. living that vanilla minecraft life. they need no mods to do chunkloading
@frosty dew scicraft server?
orchid prism
Down we go...god this took forever to dig out and make nice with staircase supports ๐
Can't wait to get electric ๐
bleak pike
Well it has thermal foundation
so start with a survivalist generator
its a very decent starter power
and id imagine its a cheap recipie in that pack
orchid prism
One thing at a time. Just hit diamonds. Now to reading starting guides for a long time ๐
bleak pike
strip mining is your best friend
frosty dew
@fading spade yeah. full message went "heard of scicraft?
group of mincrafters"
but got split due to my habit of sending lines instead of breaking them...
fading spade
ah yes xd
they also need no mods to do chunk supression so they can build things without causing block updates
and they make automated machines to break the bedrock floor of the minecraft world
fading spade
I love doc, iskall, keralis and false
frosty dew
longest i watch is mumbo. after him it's grian, iskall, doc, scar, keralis, bubbles, tango and x
i sporadically watch stress
frosty dew
ye
fading spade
XD
frosty dew
mumbo is my original channel though
fading spade
aha
frosty dew
who i watched
like, all the way back, when he did redstone stuff, i eventually noticed him doing this hermitcraft thingies
watched on and of from season 3 to 5, more regular as season 6 started
fading spade
I srated to watch doc and iskall in season 6, because of their redstone and technical videos
fading spade
I love how most of the redstone in the hermitcraft server is mostly all tech from the scicraft guys xd
frosty dew
yeah alot is based off of them 
but shouldnt forget, doc is like half scicraft too. he does stuff with them outside of hermitcraft
fading spade
yeah true
:D
I want to make the diamond nether portal he built in season 6 so much but IDK how to make the supression machine
bleak pike
Speaking of
frosty dew
can always download the world and reconstruct it.
but he explained how it worked in one of his episodes though i think
bleak pike
orchid prism
fading spade
:DD
fading spade
keen urchin
MC is like the one game I don't feel like modding
Handful of data packs and optifine is all
Started my own vanilla server, and it's a blast
fading spade
yah :D
vanilla is fun and datapacks are getting so OP lately, you can get world edit as a datapack
GG Sethbling .... idk how tf you did that
orchid prism
I'm still basically playing Vanilla on account on not having found rubber ๐
fading spade
what?
orchid prism
I need me some rubber trees to get started on tech.
keen urchin
And this, ladies and gents, is why bedrock will never be good
@fading spade I know about work edit, and I didn't include anything of the sort, although I've had it on a past server, trying to change biomes of certain coordinates to make the grass look greener
Here's the list
Double Shulker Shells one was kinda unnecessary though, guess that slipped in for convenience?
Also changed gamerule firespread off, because now you can use it as a creative element
Enderman grief because it's random, unpreventable and I've had it destroy things in the past
keen urchin
I'm currently contemplating to turn off Phantoms
Thy don't add anything to the game, at all
fading spade
You can change the gamerule
/gamerule doInsomnia false
that will make them not spawn
keen urchin
They're like the only thing in the game that is a punishment for NOT doing something, but there's no reward to them at all
fading spade
you can use them to repair your elytra
keen urchin
But nobody does that, when Mending exists
fading spade
I was about to mention that xd
keen urchin
Can you remove prior work penalty from unenchanted items so you can cheaply repair them again?
fading spade
wat?
keen urchin
Anvil/grindstone mechanics
Need to combine them with membranes at the Anvil for repair
Which adds prior work penalty
Grindstone can remove that, but I dunno if that works in this case
So many things to do
Still need Iron, Gold, XP, Guardian, Gunpowder, Slime, Wither Skeleton, Crop Farms
meager crown
Speaking of Minecraft, I'm doing a resource pack for quite a while now
also phantoms:
phantom membrane can also be obtained as a gift from cats when waking up
only only other use than repairing elytra are slow falling potions
chilly fox
hey those look really nice
orchid prism
Fancy.
keen urchin
Indeed
fading spade
Ooo I like
wheat kraken
ripe tendon
Biggs from FFVII Remake
Charlie Sheen, lol
Can't get it out of my head the whole time playing
wheat kraken
great now i'm gonna be thinking about it
ripe tendon
Even sounds like him a lot of times
orchid prism
fallow bronze
the resource pack looks quite faitful
gaunt lance
/r/ihadastroke?
orchid prism
Minecraft ๐
orchid prism
Turns out generating a world with LARGE biomes and building a base in Taiga wasn't the best way to start my venture into megacorporations ๐
fading spade
XD
orchid prism
Ugh... headache. Can't get my solar panel to generate power ๐
ripe tendon
Did you turn it off and on again? ๐
orchid prism
Just some logic issues with Industrialcraft2. Looks like the power generated is lost over distance somehow ๐
ripe tendon
Oh, minecraft stuff
frosty dew
industrialcraft cables only have a certain reach until they start losing power
how big is the distance? what cable you using?
orchid prism
Using insulated tin cables atm.
There's a single solar power panel up on the top of that cliff.
So... 15 tiles? to the batbox.
frosty dew
... is the panel under the tree?
frosty dew
the solar panels output isnt directional i think, but maybe do try the bottom for the cabel?
orchid prism
It outputs power on all sides. It has to be the cable power loss.
frosty dew
i assume you got this power measure tool to check the cables?
orchid prism
Mnope.
orchid prism
Yes.
frosty dew
does batbox receive any power at all?
orchid prism
I have a coal generator that if I toss coal into will supply to the batbox and onto the macerator below.
frosty dew
so it wont be the orientation of the batbox either.
so i guess the options are to make this measure tool
or try a different cable.
or try putting a batbox further and further along the cable to see where power loss starts
orchid prism
Works with a batbox connected directly to the panel.
Weird - Guess I'm off to the forums ๐
frosty dew
sorry i couldnt help much
orchid prism
๐
orchid prism
Hmm... perhaps. The way the Classic pack sells itself just worked on me well ๐
"Modpacks like you remember from the good old days!"
orchid prism
But to be honest I never really played with mods.
Back when I was most active we barely had basic faction and shop mods. To let players create clan towns and such
bleak pike
Ye
But also no
Ic2 was rebooted with tech reborn
Which is heavily used in some packs
I still don't like thermal foundation because it killed Ic2 lol
orchid prism
I could swear thermal is included in Classic.
Eh whatever - I might swap at some point. There are some mods I don't entirely enjoy in this pack.
Like having random NPCs appear trying to kill me. Or how I automatically vault every block one tile high, which is really obnoxious ๐
frosty dew
the last point sounds like the auto jump
under controls it should be possible to be turned off
orchid prism
I see
frosty dew
it's not even a mod, sadly