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fading spade
fringe salmon
it makes a lot more sense after you play it just once
fading spade
i can barely follow the easy levels
seeig what way you need to cut them in time is hard
fringe salmon
because this is the pov you see so it moves with the HMD so you already are desynched since you dont move your head the exact same way
fringe salmon
when you move your head with an HMD it moves your camera ingame
fading spade
yeh
fringe salmon
and you are not the person you are watching
so it already moves a bit in a way that distracts you because its not your movement
and also not predictable
fading spade
ok, I was terrible at piano tiles
I imagine a whole 3d enviroment will be a LOT more hard for me
than literaly 2d
more than 2d
fringe salmon
eh, it feels alot more natural
because it basically translates to you seeing a block = this way you need to swing your arm, not you needing to touch something very specific
fringe salmon
I can't wait for a hopefully good map of the megalovania remix soon 
fading spade
it took me tooooo long to learn that it isnt random generation
like audiosurf 2
I found out like months after the game released that its all mapped manually
I was shocked at how someone could make code so accurately map a song 😂
fringe salmon
yeah you cant really map something like that automatically yet unless you use google ai or so
fading spade
yeh ye
thats why I was shocked it was possible somewhow
then I learned its manual and had a reality check
fringe salmon
granted, there is a tool to convert osu maps into beat saber maps that is somewhat okay
fading spade
oo
fringe salmon
but you also have a manually made map as input
so its more of a tool that just runs what combo it knows and the map has and places blocks
fading spade
it makes me so damn impressed by how damn accurate VR can track hand movement
fringe salmon
so you only need to have some good basis on how it should convert what
fading spade
and at the speed of these dang expert++++ levsls 😮
fringe salmon
smh reposters 
fringe salmon
wut
ripe tendon
People have been bitching about that game for years and bitching about how he "released it way too early" even though he did it because they were bitching.
I hope it's nothing they want so they can keep bitching
fringe salmon
oh yeah best to just ignore those people as usual
ripe tendon
I can't imagine the emails he's gotten
fringe salmon
whenever devs listen to that it hurts the game sales
yea I hope he just got used to deleting anything or got someone else to look at emails
ripe tendon
Afaik it was just him and his wife working on it so hopefully it was simply deleting them
fringe salmon
ye
ripe tendon
Sweet previous owners get steam keys. I don't have to buy it again. woot woot.
wheat kraken
yeah i'm ready to play it again and glad it's coming to steam
raw wren
I hope this time it improves on the issues the previous version suffered from
The gameplay was nice on the previous, but the issues with stuff like the map was insane
It definitely seems promising though 
wheat kraken
i hope it's not just a port and it's an actual update as well
trim rock
Surprise it's just going to be that old alpha build
raw wren
I mean like, I remembering pressing M for map and it could open 10-15 seconds after pressing, with the game just running normal until then
@fading spade That's a really awesome bridge, would fit well into an rpg map
raw wren
Super fancy elevator 
fading spade
IKR I WANT
raw wren
Even modded elevators don't make it that fancy
fading spade
yeh... xd
raw wren
I wonder if it's command powered or datapack powered
bleak pike
Wow ok that’s amazing
Isn’t this technically modded haha
I’ve still never used a command block tbh
orchid prism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acqpulP1hLo
This game is awesome 😄
fringe salmon
incase you consider getting something like a quest @bleak pike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hnMoJFh4z0&feature=youtu.be :p
ignore the bad thumbnail
raw wren
Don't get me wrong, it's a good idea for exercise, but this is bad for 3 reasons:
Accessibility of football field/other open area
Tracking is worse outside
It only tracks static surrounding, nothing moving - Which in turn also makes it easy for you to robbed if you live in a bad are
fringe salmon
tracking is worse outside how exactly?
raw wren
It uses infrared for tracking, which doesn't work well outside due to interference
If the tracking is bad enough it can lose track of the "play area" and get kicked out
fringe salmon
not really enough for you to notice unless you play right next to someone sending IR signals maybe
in beat saber at least, cant speak for everything obviously
bleak pike
@Quintosh#000 I sold my oculus so I wouldn't be buying another one just after :p
Especially the quest
fringe salmon
nice tag
bleak pike
Pretty cool tho
Knowing me id fall over somehow
Quest is pretty dope imo
Hurt pricy
raw wren
I haven't tried it outside, I'm just going on what I heard from reviews and the physics that the sun emits infrared
novel umbra
I love how epic effectively killed the hype for borderlands 3
fading spade
Yup
hollow sphinx
😂
hollow sphinx
It was like EA when they told people to not buy their game if they didn't like it
Nobody bought it
fringe salmon
Killed hype for Bl3? What did you smoke
novel umbra
I have 2 huger borderlands guys in my office which don't care about it releasing on egs
and both didn't know it comes out on friday
fringe salmon
I see you got quite the sample size there
novel umbra
I get it nowhere else too
fringe salmon
10 million views on the e3 trailer on youtube, 5 million on some random trailer clip from 3 weeks ago
fringe salmon
there are quite a few people who play it on console and nothing changed it for them
the only people I know who wanted to buy it and dont get it on egs are here
novel umbra
I honestly don't care for console players though
fringe salmon
well you said epic killed hype for bl3, you did not specifiy only for pc players :p
fringe salmon
🤷 I just can't wait to take a nap on thursday and play it on release at 1am
keen urchin
I wouldn't care less if they didn't pull all this anti consumer bs
ripe tendon
I could care less and am playing it on release day
hyyype
Not much of a reason for me to wait until it's on Steam as all this epic stuff doesn't really bother me or affect me
achievements I guess but those are pointless.
fringe salmon
and achievements were already tracked ingame via Badassranks kinda which is back
also on egs I could buy it and it also have a streamer I watch make 20 bucks from it, so in the end it was quite nice to have that option
keen urchin
Why can't they just sell it in all stores just the same, and everyone csn get it where the rest of their libraries or buddies are?
fringe salmon
because people are lazy and even with better deals they are not inclined to move away from a comfortable zone they know
doesn't mean I agree with taking exclusivity from games already on steam like metro blah blah blah
I understand why epic is doing it, I just feel they are making it worse for themself devs and customers by not going the full way (doing that only for games that were not on steam yet, showing a bit more transparency etc.)
anyway
heres a just released launch trailer
hearty glacier
cinematic trailers tho~ 
ripe tendon
Still prefer the Happy Together video lol ❤
and I'm glad we can play with each other at diff character levels.
keen urchin
Never seen that done well
fallow bronze
why anyone is hyped for borderlands 3 is beyond me 😒 the first 3 were pretty meh
fringe salmon
aside from tps, that was a mistake
orchid prism
I enjoyed the theme of the first one, and got REAL tired of the franchise by the end of the first game. Sorry 😄
fallow bronze
I liked the 1st one. 2nd and the pre sequel mad eme tired of the concept.
wheat kraken
1 and 2 were fun. didn't care much for presequel
3 is gonna fucking suck because epic store
fucking randy
keen urchin
Didn't like the first one as much
Game just didn't play super well
wheat kraken
being a dick
keen urchin
Also, I like TPS more than 2
fringe salmon
not randy's decision btw
wheat kraken
yet he's sucking epic's dick on his twitter
plus he's a cunt on said twitter as well.
fringe salmon
he's the same person he was when 1 and 2 were made 🤷
fringe salmon
novel umbra
otherwise it is better in any aspect
it looks better, plays better and it has a functional story
more character interaction
fringe salmon
you enjoy the dialogue in that game? being stuck in more unskippable dialogue before you can play again ?
novel umbra
bl2 instead has terrible npcs
each one has a big negative aspect
lets you do stupid missions
or does stupid stuff to lengthen the story
lilith especially
fringe salmon
I don't dislike anyone in bl2 as much as the annoying small boy in tps or janey springs
novel umbra
pickle is annoying
but better integrated in the story than any bl2 character
enemy scaling in bl2 is abbysmal
fringe salmon
for uvhm cryo is a worse lategame mechanic than slag but it feels better because it has better scaling
novel umbra
so the larger amount of endgame content is irrelevant
scaling in tps works different in general
the game in total is less broken
fringe salmon
because the game was made, knwoing that UVHM and such would come
fringe salmon
yea unless you wanted to do it on lv70 because you will not enjoy the last boss
novel umbra
I wish I could get bl3 on release
fringe salmon
bl2 has skills that are broken, so does tps
like you can crit with rocket launcher
in tps
fringe salmon
example?
novel umbra
and no positive
better aiming for turrets on axton
they just aim slower
the "drop a grenade on death" skill from krieg
it drops a grenade without a grenade mod
which does pretty much 0 damage
and instead you get stuff like the grognozzle and the gunzerker
fringe salmon
you mean laser sight? that is just making it more accurate, it does not really make it aim slower
and you get a laster that shows what the turret is targeting
novel umbra
it doesn't make them more accurate though
and let's them aim slower
isn't mentioned in the tooltip
but it does happen
siren cloudkill is broken thtoughout the entire game
her only real damage skill is so strong that it is stupid
it doesn't matter what gun you use for it
the bee never really got nerfed and makes the sandhawk the best smg in the whole game
fringe salmon
oh yeah because 40% extra damage on reaper with no class com is not a lot
sandhawk is only goof with a bee shield
novel umbra
doesn't matter in front of cloudkill honestly
ik
but it makes it so good that any other smg is bad in comparison
and so is basically every other shield on most builds
fringe salmon
bee is a necessity as a band aid for raidbosses, you aren't forced to use it outside those at all
fringe salmon
okay but that is not really a bad way, that gives you a ton more ways to play/weapons to use
fringe salmon
uhhh
novel umbra
and even flakker abuse is too weak in the lategame
in comparison to grognozzle/ladyfist
fringe salmon
you can use pimbhab for the most dps in the game, you can play deputy sal with orphan maker, you can use fibber to chainkill hyperius even on op10
you can use ladyfist, antagonist and a high pellet shotgun to kill hyperius via reflect dmg
novel umbra
ye
but all of that only works because the game is extremely broken
and it is required for op10
because scaling is terrible
you can't farm most of the required weapons
fringe salmon
yeah scaling is terrible but you dont need deputy sal to goet through op 10 lmao
fringe salmon
like sure, grog/ruby/any moxi wepaon, beehawk make the game very easy but you don't need them
you can play the game on op10 on axton without any of those
I'm glad they seem to not be in the game for bl3 because it allows for better design and makes people not play around insaing healing from them
novel umbra
hopefully the game scales correctly with that
fringe salmon
you don't need salvador with a slag grenade and two schock interfacers to run it
novel umbra
wasn't necessary for tps
fringe salmon
it does, we've already seen lategame gameplay
novel umbra
wait until they raise the levelcap again
fringe salmon
I mean sure, now they know it could be a thing and a better scaling at 50 already shows it's possible to scale better
novel umbra
I hope so
well, I'll see when I'll finally get it
won't pay tim sweeney for it
or google stadia
novel umbra
that stupid store will still be on my pc
fringe salmon
🤷
keen urchin
There's nothing wrong with Epic, except the fact that they try to make my experience on other stores worse
They're not competing, they're sabotaging
Yeah
novel umbra
tbh
if they didn't pay for exclusivity i wouldn't give a damn
I don't want egs on my pc just for the crap they pulled
even if they don't support them directly
they will have me in the numbers
fringe salmon
I agree they should've only done exclusives with titles that were not on steam like metro, otherwise I already had egs installed before it was a store so that doesn't even affect me
novel umbra
now the yjust force users on a objectively worse platform
unless you think publishers really need mroe money
fringe salmon
indie to AA yes, obviously not always the case but quite often that can stop a sequel from happening or not for example
impossible to get numbers obviously
novel umbra
well
best case 2k drops gearbox
worst case the game sells well and they don't
tbh
2k is horrible
fringe salmon
I mean gearbox is now publishing titles themself so for them it could even be better to not have 2k anymore
novel umbra
2k still has exclusivity to publish borderlands
keen urchin
Thanks @vital wyvern
novel umbra
which is why gearbox has to put up with their shit
fringe salmon
take two/2k is a mess that hopefully dies soon
novel umbra
yup
take deepsilver with them hopefully
tbh at the moment the best thing that can probably happen for M$ to buy them up
if they fail
they are basically the only ones in the position to do that
fringe salmon
you mean gb? they are not going to fail lmao
fringe salmon
ahh yeye
novel umbra
deep silver is horrible
i'd be fine with no forced plattforms already
otherwise it'll end in uplay, battle.net etc again
fringe salmon
well if the deal is good enough that won't happen, if the cut is low enough it's not really worth it to put money into developing your own platform that takes a cut of 0
a big part of these launchers happening is 30% cut on steam
novel umbra
gog is good imo
problem is
the devs don't get the cut in the case of bl3
2k takes it
expect it to be like that for any non indie game
fringe salmon
we dont know the contract so it's not like we know it makes no difference
could be that 2k takes x percent so if they get more gb gets more
novel umbra
do you honselty believe 2k would let that go by?
fringe salmon
what if the cut was decided when they first made a deal for the franchise? then its cant be changed by 2k either
we dont know
I mean that's a you problem if you care about what happens outside the game
fringe salmon
I have my issues with egs, I will enjoy bl3 and dont give a shit about it
uhh
for example?
okay so just care about what you think is the case and play like that
I mean you can agree/disagree with x or y being too powerful, and that's that
just play and use what you think is powerful if you want
I mean, don't, just play the game
I'd imagine whatever game that is has a mute function so you can use that if someone does that nonstop
most of the time I doubt people who talk a lot about such things actually provide useful information
eh, I formed that opinion in a moba so I doubt it's much different in games where calls usually mean less
ripe tendon
as somebody who plays League when I can't find much to do. Fuck mobas they're all shit.
ripe tendon
BL3 is 55GB and I'm on 800 kbps. BRING IT ON.
ripe tendon
Wouldn't know. I do digital only.
But I believe alot of them are boxes with a redeemable code.
wheat kraken
or do something fucking disgusting like Fallout 4 and only have 5GBs on disk
Fallout New Vegas had the right idea. All data on disk but also registered with steam for later cloud download
orchid prism
bleak pike
@fringe salmon inb4 delayed
bleak pike
i was joking
raw wren
@fringe salmon or wait 6 months 
fringe salmon
hollow sphinx
@ripe tendon....i......i think ill try angels with scalie wings as my first vn
fringe salmon
the kfc dating sim isn't even made in kentucky smh
fringe salmon
BL3?
comes out on friday
friday 1am 
so I can pre load
well for one I have about 500 hours in BL2
I played the demo at gamescom
I was convinced to buy it when I saw the first 10 minutes of gameplay when streamers could play it at the event they had
streamers already have it
you can watch like 10 different streamers
they had early access since 8 hours ago or so
maybe, but that's modern marketing
I want more Borderlands, bl3 is more borderlands 
also I really dont see the issue with pre ordering, when I'd just buy it on launch
its 60 unless you go for collectors editions
not really blindly if people were able to play it, both streamers and any person at gamescom/pax etc.
like what the streamers are playing now is the full game
they didnt get an early demo till release
pre loading?
so you can play it earlier
but then you dont need to keep your pc on during night to download it or so
and you can still refund it if you are below 2 hours of play time
so its not even a risk
I mean lets say it would release on monday evening right when you could start playing it
would you not prefer to have it downloaded already instead of waiting another hour or two?
so its not really a game that interests you much then
I mean I get that for stuff on like kickstarter, early access that might never finish the game etc.
but this is basically a day early so you can play it right on time with no extra cost and no risk of anything
okay but the only reason is your mindset, there is no actual benefit to it
I'm placing my trust blindly on something and paying 60€ for it while getting nothing in return
so that doesn't really apply then :p
in this case it's not really blind trust, the game is being played on twitch right now and even if it'd be worst case and just your pc can't run it at all, you can just refund it
or for maybe a better example
lets say it takes you 5 hours to download the game
if you buy it 5 hours before release, pre load, play on release, how is that different from buying it on launch and then waiting 5 hours
we already know that's not the case and by pre loading you are avoiding big server loads
if you buy it 5 hours before release, pre load, play on release, how is that different from buying it on launch and then waiting 5 hours
it is something in return, you get to play it sooner with no risk or additional cost
its paying 60 early and getting benefits that might do nothing for you and no risks, vs paying 60 later without getting benefits that might do nothing for you
I am not saying pre order even if you know you wont play it until the week after
but if its a game you want to play once you can, the only bad part would be that you refund it earlier if the first 2 hours suck
novel umbra
it just is about the principle
so devs won't get lazy
cause people will preorder no matter the product
fringe salmon
sure, but again that's incase of something like kickstarter or early access
it makes literally 0 difference when its days before and the game had already gotten gold master weeks before
fringe salmon
write support, it's not automated yet I think? so maybe you wont get it instantly but that doesn't matter to me
and I dont get how your first point fits into this discussion
novel umbra
it isn't automated and requests still randomly are declined
even though you fill in criterea
fringe salmon
never said you cant, never argued you have to preorder
or that you should
only pointed out that in this case you have literally no benefit from waiting while also not having any downsides form pre ordering which might come with benefits you could use
keen urchin
I have over 1k hours in BL combined, and I'm waiting
Id rather have a game with some patches, balancing tweaks, and maybe TVHM/UVHM
fringe salmon
tvhm is in, mayhem mode is basically uvhm done better, we've seen some endgame stuff already that already seemed better balanced than anything in bl2/tps
but a fair point to not trust gb with scaling and such lul
ripe tendon
I'm iffy about the level scaling with high level players playing with low level but we'll see how it works out
I hope we don't get a big ass day 1 patch or I won't be playing until Monday or later lol
keen urchin
I doubt it's gonna be more than just ok
willow quiver
discord has another update
light theme still not fixed
what are they doing
wheat kraken
dicksword has another update
probably still hasn't fixed how text works
welcome to discord
raw wren
Fixing light theme? 
weak cypress
They already did, it's called dark mode.
tough jay
The mobile version of the light theme is still fine. And no dark mode is not a fix for people who use the correct broghtness and like a comfortable reading experience
fringe salmon
https://i.gyazo.com/e9b4a4ebd603ac413e87203844fa4bfc.png ready to trigger some people on my steam list when it's live 
bleak pike
Haha
fringe salmon
I can't tell if you're big troll or big 
right now
yes, its egs exclusive for 6 months
you can add literally anything to steam
you can add evil-shit.exe to it if you want
of course not
but if I start it, people in my friends list on steam will see that I'm playing borderlands 3
you can add steam overlay to anything, doesnt need to be a steam game
so I can launch bl3 from my steam library
and people who do know that too since they'll see me play bl3 when they maybe decided to not buy it on egs
tough jay
I know someone who did that with half life 3 for some time
hollow sphinx
that is a bizarre fetish
fringe salmon
I'm trolling people, I'm not getting aroused by putting a non steam game onto steam UI 
hollow sphinx
ripe tendon
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https://www.humblebundle.com/store/endless-space-collection-free-game
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hollow sphinx
i was told it sshit
ripe tendon
I didn't realize BL3 was offering a normal non-scaling mode. Even better
tacit rose
@bleak pike you should have brought a better game than DLC for that crap 😛
keen urchin
@hollow sphinx It's actually pretty good
hollow sphinx
either waqy i cant play it
keen urchin
ES2 is a lot better, though
hollow sphinx
my gpu is in hongcong
bleak pike
@tacit rose you don’t play it 🤔 at launch it was shit but it’s a different game now so suck a nob
Also I bought using RUB
tacit rose
@bleak pike if its still named the same, its not different 😛
bleak pike
It’s different
tacit rose
🤔 sure?
bleak pike
Anyway, you haven’t even played it and are just judging based off media and maybe a few hours gameplay like I did who also used to trash it?
tacit rose
I own it, I just cant put myself through more torture than having it in my library
bleak pike
Everyone owns it
So again you’re forming an opinion purely out of ego and what you’ve read? Ok
I used to be like that....
tacit rose
dude..... you have opinions all the time XD
bleak pike
Ye of course I do
tacit rose
what makes my opinion wrong and yours right?
bleak pike
I never said your opinion is wrong I just asked if you even played it....
Because just like me I trashed the game because well if it’s negative press and do on
Till I actually tried it
Trashing something you know nothing about is pretty lame.
tacit rose
I played it on ps4 on my friends account, but that was just painful
tacit rose
that alone makes me dread it
fringe salmon
steam overlay for bl3 isn't working for some reason, I cant troll people 
no I mean it doesnt keep my steam status as "playing borderlands 3"
but I want it to run as actual BL3
gotta troll with quality
not for me
gaunt lance
Please keep chat family friendly
bleak pike
suck me nob
bleak pike
ik bby
gaunt lance
Pft sleep is for the weak
ripe tendon
32 fps wut
I gotta run bl3 at 200% resolution scale for that
But, tbf I am running a 1080Ti
I was a peasant for too long with my 5770 and 79something
Finally got a 970 which was decent and found a refurb 1080ti. Me no peasant no more.
keen urchin
Waiting on BL3 benchmarks atm
Wonder how it runs on the VII
Driver 19.2.2 seems goat
bleak pike
GoW 1 is so boring so far
ripe tendon
No idea about VII. Some on resetera were saying they had issues. This was across multiple setups, but I've not had any yet with 1700x and 1080ti. I've seen some say they do well with a 4690k and a 1070. Stable 60 for me on Badass but I turn material complexity and volumetric fog off for some extra headroom.
bleak pike
https://gfycat.com/grippingdigitaleel well that totally didn't fucking shit me up
trim rock
keen urchin
@ripe tendon Found this:
Edit: Did a before and after with the built in benchmark.
Radeon VII - 2025/1200 +20% pl - 1085mv | ASRock X570 Steel Legend | Corsair 32GB 2666MHz @ 3533MHz 16-20-20-20-40 1.35v | AMD Ryzen 3600X
Ran the benchmark 5 times with each driver to eliminate (as much as 5 runs can) skewed results
Default driver settings - Enhanced Sync on
In-game settings = Badass preset with Motion Blur options turned off - DX12 API @ 2560x1440
19.9.1: Average between all runs : 74.5FPS - 13.44ms frame time
19.9.2: Average between all runs: 83.5FPS - 11.97ms frame time
tacit rose
Borderlands in general could be ran on a potato and still look nice 😂
But that is the style....
But why do it
I really can't, I love the borders XD I even had them on MC for a while with a borderlands texture
novel umbra
my big problem with the new titles are that they reduced the map count for bigger maps which are less detailed and feel automatically generated and that most of the guns suck
sure they are more unique, but most of them are hot garbage
even only a few hours in
stats seem to not care about rarity
tacit rose
@keen urchin how did you get DX12 to work? I changed it and relaunched and it basically endless loading XD which a quick search found many others having the issue
Oh there we go, finally loaded 😂 😂
10 mins later
keen urchin
DX12 is having big issues
Also, that wasn't mine
As I said, i found that info in a thread
Apparently Gearbox told reviewers/benchmarkers to not use DX12 😂
tacit rose
Yeah I saw that 😂
On a 1080 I don't gain or lose anything using DX12 (Apart from the 10 min loading screen)
keen urchin
Glad I chose to wait for the game :p
ripe tendon
Not too bad for the VII. I imagine they could gain even more turning volumetric fog down or even off. I don't mind the motion blur as long as both are on. Normally I can't stand it but it's not too bad in BL3. (but I haven't tried without it either yet)
ripe tendon
It seems DX12 gives me ~10 fps boost on avg according to the benchmark. I've been playing with it and felt no dips.
fading spade
ripe tendon
Nice.
naive jackal
ripe tendon
@fringe salmon Discord overlay isnt working in BL3 either so it must be something on their end.
fringe salmon
im ingame
but yes, I kinda know why
if you look at taskmanager, it starts under thebackground services list then goes to apps, so kinda like one .exe starting another, and overlays go onto the exe you start them with
something like that
fringe salmon
also, 25hours into BL3: good game, enjoy it much
bleak pike
That was the most boring game i have ever played in my entire life http://mrpl.me/Sc116b_rfc2.jpg
bleak pike
wheat kraken
how is xenia anyway?
i have a modded xbox 360 regardless of not even having played anything on it at all and am just curious
novel umbra
man bl3 is broken
I found a grenade that could oneshot a boss on my level
and probably can oneshot every boss in the game tbh
ripe tendon
There seems to be a few OP pieces of equipment but it's Borderlands so I'm not surprised
novel umbra
no it is just broken
it has a mechanic where it throws grenades
if the spawner is inside a hitbox it just kills the target
ripe tendon
Apparently some are having issues with their saves being deleted or corrupted so I think im gonna make some hardlinks to a dropbox folder just in case
it's possible bosses are immune to such a grenade
novel umbra
if they can take damage they die
ripe tendon
so far
novel umbra
or at least if they don't have invincibility phases
you can get the grenade from a mission
and it causes the game to lag so maybe it'll get fixed idk
ripe tendon
Who knows when they'll get around to it though
raw wren
It doesn't surprise me their save functionality is incomplete 
It was hacked together for BL3's launch on Epic's end
ripe tendon
gamesave corruption and deletion happens. Seems to happen a lot more the better our technology gets though, lol
raw wren
I'm sure that has happened to steam too, without a doubt
ripe tendon
I remember having one on PS2 that would cause my game to freeze a few mins in and I never could get past it. So frustrating and disappointing. I thought it was the disc for months but even after getting a new game, no luck
Oh for sure.
raw wren
But, steam perfected it and made it more reliable
ripe tendon
I have no doubt some of it is user error too but still shit happens. It's just unfortunate
raw wren
If it detects a collision in save between cloud and local it ask the user which to keep
Yeah, most likely
As much as I wanna purchase BL3, I do not wanna support Epic in their counter-consumer behavior.
The game is great, the circumstances are not.
raw wren
Mhm, sadly it coming to steam does not fix all the circumstances 😦
wheat kraken
i don't want to support epic nor do i wanna support Randy Pitchford
so i'm going to wink wink nudge nudge 'huh where'd that come from, it's a picture of a key' when it comes for steam
raw wren
Randy the man-child
Yeah, I'mma purchase it when it comes to steam, until then ... whistles
wheat kraken
i'm wanting to play with the new sims 4 dlc but the only ahem has far too many leechers
i know but it's more fun to come up with little words for it
ripe tendon
but that's screwing all the people who did the actual work on the game
wheat kraken
and the picture of a key joke is from Pirates of the Caribbean
For one. Sims is owned by EA and the base game and all it's DLCs cost somewhere in the 400-500 USD.
novel umbra
apparently the denuvo version that bl3 uses is illegal lol
ripe tendon
No I won't defend them but I'm also over all this epic boo hoo bs
novel umbra
nono
the new denuvo version runs a vm and a keylogger
to check if there are any invalid inputs
wheat kraken
can we get some more info on this
novel umbra
orchid prism
Yeah... the new version is very interesting and incredibly insanely designed 😄
keen urchin
First time I hear that BL3 has Denuvo
Not that I actually checked, though
Is that gearbox' or epic's doing?
fading spade
I imagine Epic
trim rock
Epic doesn't force any DRM as far as I know (some EGS games can be directly launched no problem)
bleak pike
Piracy
Talk about it, don't refer people to it here.
It's one of the very few rules on this discord server because of well discord
@keen urchin how did you not know bl3 has denuvo lol
@novel umbra source of that?
fringe salmon
well, just finished the story of bl3, loved it, gonna play more after food 
idk what's going on with the denuvo stuff, I can only say that constant upload of 2 mb/s is wrong
was curious how much cpu/gpu etc. bl3 would use so I had stuff open on my second monitor, I wasn't close to that constand 2mb lmao
do we know that? yes, denuvo did do that in the past, if this such a different version do we know that's still the case for any important ammount?
okay but if I get 127 or 128 wouldn't matter to me, if its 90 instead of 128 it'd matter more to me
same case if we dont know the impact we dont know if it makes a difference you notice on a potato
you know a way to stop/hinder piracy that doesnt take one?
good joke
keen urchin
Well, BL3 is the first game I consider acquiring before I purchase it through other means
Because of that BS
fringe salmon
" teach publishers or game devs" holy shit are you entitled
just dont buy it then
good then also dont advocate to pirate it in that case
the entire thing sounds exactly like the one time a guy supposedly found epic spying on everything on the pc when he was too stupid to use the software for finding that
especially since the reddit post talks about denuvo doing it but then making it seem like epic is at fault
yes, you are very keen on showing me people should be entitled to get something they dont want to pay for because of X
im done eating soon so I'm back enjoying the game, pce
fringe salmon
I'm 30 hours into bl3 and enjoyed ever moment so far
ripe tendon
that SteamDB number for BL2 seems surprisingly low to me
only 124k?
If I were an indie dev and Epic was offering me some crazy deal I'd sure as shit take it and I can't blame a developer for taking a deal that's in their favor even if it alienates a small handful of vocal players
trim rock
It sounds very reasonable for me
And I bet BL3 would have similiar numbers on Steam as well, basically turns out that in the end, most people don't care that EGS isn't great
keen urchin
The higher numbers BL3 is seeing is purely due to marketing
It's probably 10x as much as they did for BL2, if not more
And I don't buy the 'vocal minority' on this one
bleak pike
still dont like epic
ripe tendon
There was also a ton of hype for BL3 even without their extra marketing. People have been wanting this for a while.
keen urchin
I'd take a bet that if BL3 released on EGS, Steam, GoG and Discord simultaneously, they'd have seen launch day numbers much higher
ripe tendon
like what? 20 or 30% higher?
fringe salmon
well, we'll see how much higher it will be when its out on steam, though a lot of people will probably buy it a second time there
or at least quite some people say they want to, doubt they'll actually do that
ripe tendon
If I can get it cheap I possibly will. Not paying full price though
orchid prism
I honestly doubt people are sticking to their guns and not buying a game they really want, to the point of waiting for a Steam release.
ripe tendon
Not unless they have a lot of other things keeping them busy.
orchid prism
Outside of a loud minority of course 😄
keen urchin
That's what's wrong with PC gaming: You need to pay for the game twice to play on launch day, and to play with your steam buddies
ripe tendon
My buddy wants it on Steam but he also house renovations, his masters program, and his clinicals to deal with apart from trying to play games
fringe salmon
you dont need to buy it on steam to play with steam players
ripe tendon
yeah I don't think they're limiting the playerbase like that. Not that I've heard anyway
fringe salmon
it will have crossplay (plan is a month after release) so you can play with anyone on any store or platform
ripe tendon
that's typically the issue with consoles, not PC
keen urchin
Well, that's good, then
fringe salmon
so you can 4 man on epic, steam, ps4 and xbox
well, if sony isnt being a dick again I guess
ripe tendon
yeah but don't cause fucking console peasants will make you do all the work 😛
I didn't know they were doing PC/console cross play. That's awesome. I can play with the wifes cousin
fringe salmon
oh and btw you can play offline, it just seems denuvo is blocking offline multiplayer? doesnt make sense unless thats how a cracked version would work? just another point of that reddit post from earlier being false
bleak pike
which im doing
btw
as of now
you can block epic store from logging in
and play offline
keen urchin
No LAN co-op?
keen urchin
Sweet
bleak pike
so ye im using someone elses account offline
orchid prism
fringe salmon
yep because epic itself is not really a drm
fringe salmon
fair
I hope they do it like some big games do it, after its cracked for some time the shop variants also dont have it anymore
keen urchin
I doubt any developer would want this thing on their game
It's probably all down to management/legal or whatever
fringe salmon
ye
keen urchin
But imagine you spend hundreds of hours optimising performance of your game
Just for some DRM to come around and void all your work
bleak pike
@fringe salmon could i borrow you for a few min
fringe salmon
bleak pike
can you maybe download hamati :p
fringe salmon
ew no
bleak pike
gay
keen urchin
God, I haven't used those in years
Any modern router can serve as a VPN server nowadays
bleak pike
thats where you're wrong :p
wait i thought you could be any character from the entire saga
fringe salmon
????
bleak pike
i thought you could be almost everyone thoughout the borderlands series as a character
lol
also
fringe salmon
????
bleak pike
which is the best of the 4?
fringe salmon
all are good
bleak pike
i feel like we have already played amara
fringe salmon
the only similarity we had is that you can also play as a siren in 1 and 2
fringe salmon
not even close?
gaige, mechromancer
one has a "pet" mech, the other has a mech that is like a titan from titanfall where you sit in it??
bleak pike
am i missing out btw
not playing the dlc on bl2
never got around to it
the free one
fringe salmon
it tells a bit story of what happens after the events in bl2
like why the old sanctuary is not a thing anymore
why we dont have the vault map anymore
etc.
was a ok dlc, given that it was free I'd rate it 8/10
bleak pike
dx11 maxed out
fringe salmon
ok makes sense then
use this
hardwareunboxed did a video comparing looks and performance impact of the settings
keen urchin
And they keep AO on Ultra throughout?
Usually it's a massive performance hog for questionable gain
fringe salmon
yes because some settings dont do more but take a lot more performance
I dont remember what it was for that
but sometimes middle basically looked like ultra for 30% fps improvement
keen urchin
Can we still .ini edit?
fringe salmon
You want to skip intro when you just started the game?
Or do you mean the 2k/gearbox intro things?
bleak pike
i made another character
bleak pike
can someone play with someone who is using competative vs co operativer
fringe salmon
there is quite some postgame, are you sure you finished it? lmao
fringe salmon
put on mayhem3 and any boss is a raidboss lmao
if we ahve something like Terra in bl2, idk havent seen one yet
novel umbra
The only boss that dropped a decent amount of loot caused the game to crash when i killed it
novel umbra
Tbh the bosses all were underwhelming in normal mode
fringe salmon
wrong game?
novel umbra
I either oneshot a phase with a grenade or used my action skill once
raw wren
You were talking about BL2?
fringe salmon
3
raw wren
Ah
fringe salmon
how overleveld were you for that to happen lmao
novel umbra
Flak is just op
Get a torgue shotgun
Have the green tree maxed so you can fire as many crits as you can while invisible
fringe salmon
went red one with jakobs guns mostly
novel umbra
And get one of the first skills in the red tree
And then you can basically instantly end any phase
Or get the porcellain grenade and oneshot a phase with that
fringe salmon
yea I found that one lmao
I can guarantee you that won't work on tvhm/mayhem though
fringe salmon
flak
fringe salmon
zane looks very interresting
novel umbra
And the skills in general feel lackluster
fringe salmon
will play zane after I get to 50 and do all stuff on flak
fringe salmon
yeah she has some cool skills for big mags and splash, could end up quite broken in endgame
keen urchin
Also, I never played the Soldier type before
bleak pike
meh zane is just a zero one
lol if you have slow loading times you see claptrap dancing over and over
fringe salmon
uhh not really, fl4k with his stealth skill is more zero than zane
bleak pike
@fringe salmon how far do you have to go before people can join you
fringe salmon
uhhh
probably hit the start button?
I dont think you need to do anything before people join? but I havent tried it yet
also you can skip the intro sorta if you rename the intro movie file
but uh
carefull, spoiler stuff in the movies folder
ripe tendon
You can join somebody immediately
I joined my buddy while he was on marcus' bus in the beginning
bleak pike
@fringe salmon did you play solo or with a friend
fringe salmon
yup
bleak pike
So ive played for 4 hours, its OKAY so far, i can imagine there is wayyyyyy more ahead of me! But so far its just OKAY.
I guess peeps were right about aying its just more borderlands
which is FINE
But I know I'm hardly in the game
tacit rose
I might have a problem XD
orchid prism
😂
novel umbra
I only accumulated ~20 hours over the weekend
had to go on a bithday which basically took half my weekend
novel umbra
rip
only played solo
it defaulted to low settings with an rx 480 4gb
and even then I have massive slowdowns
cpu is a r5 1600 at 3.8ghz btw
I am
I realized epic looses money for every sale in the humble bundle store for one of their keys
ripe tendon
Could've been the area I was in. There was a shit ton of buildings and I was getting ~45-50 fps on high-ish. Other places on solo I can manage 80 on Ultra minus volumetric fog
Ultra/Badass combination*
trim rock
lol
As an Insider I guess i've had that problem for a long long time now, was wondering why a lot of games were so quiet
trim rock
I can send in feedback but no action is taken so why even bother
raw wren
I guess you can clone your existing version?
Other than, nothing I can think of 
Well, not if you were looking to clean old software
raw wren
Did you accidentally click "install debug symbols for UE4"?
Otherwise it's faster to just flash everything
it took 20gb to allocate enough space for the debug symbols
raw wren
Heh
I recommend getting a HDD then short stroking it, it's fast but lots of space 
unless if it's a laptop, then you're kinda fucked.
tacit rose
@vital wyvern I have the same problem, though I have 6tb of free space XD so my hording is less of a problem
fringe salmon
I'm just getting to 50 so I can gear up a bit and go tvhm
novel umbra
btw, one good grenade still oneshots a phase
fringe salmon
pipe bomb one shots anything that isn't flying lmao
novel umbra
exactly
fringe salmon
actually hope they nerf that one a bit lmao
novel umbra
basically the new bore
fringe salmon
yeah but instead bunker/hyperius it works on all enemies and for all classes lmao
novel umbra
loot is still disappointing
trim rock
Isn't it always
fringe salmon
ye rough rider right?
novel umbra
pls
tacit rose
@fringe salmon yeah XD it is rough
fringe salmon
wait so is it the rough rider or are you just memeing 
tacit rose
Shame that they are mostly shit 😂 😂
novel umbra
yup
best weapon I have for bosses besides the pipe bomb is still a blue torgue shotgun
found a rough rider though
keen urchin
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/borderlands-3-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/
Haven't read it yet
Well, nothing to write home aboit
Gonna be nice when DX12 is out of beta
What's missing is an IQ comparison
keen urchin
Is FidelityFX really what it's cracked up to be?
small comet
small comet
yes bdo
trim rock
It was possible for me, although that was back when I pirated everything and thus couldn't co-op... if I had friends and co-op'd it I would probably enjoy it a lot more
bleak pike
@small comet dont play bdo, depression and bdo do not match
just doesn't feel new
like
its the same thing i have already played
and story wise its either bland or slow
keen urchin
That's why I chose to wait :p
elder swallow
ripe tendon
It's the opposite for me. I'm enjoying borderlands and classic wow had me bored before level 20
orchid prism
I'm even worse. I don't enjoy either!
ripe tendon
oh no!
raw wren
bleak pike
novel umbra
kek
ripe tendon
I know everybody hates dx12 but I get so much more performance out of it so far
sleek gorge
What's the pin for? 
fringe salmon
bl3 quality settings
for perf/quality
settings above those dont really increase visual quality
weak cypress
I bet BL3 is going to be so much better on release.
fringe salmon
it is amazing right now and I have no issues 
ripe tendon
I wonder what percentage of people play with volumetric fog turn on. I turn it off or as low as possible 99% of the time because the performance cost is always ridiculous
It was good on release...and still is.
fringe salmon
vol fog isn't eating much unless set to ultra or badass
and looks really good on eden 6 for example
you say dx12 works well for you, what gpu do you use?
@ripe tendon
ripe tendon
1080 Ti
fringe salmon
you want dodge in this game?
bleak pike
yes
fringe salmon
god no
ripe tendon
So many projectiles move so slowly you don't need it
just use crouch slide as your dodge
fringe salmon
^
ripe tendon
or jump 99% of the time like the rest of us degenerates
fringe salmon
or use cover
ripe tendon
just get a projecting shield and crouch, bingo
weak cypress
Kill the thing that shoots you before it shoots you.
ripe tendon
2% from shadows surprises me. I feel like shadows have come a long way. Seems like they use to be so taxing.
bleak pike
for bosses cover int always an option
fringe salmon
you have health regen skills, or lifesteal, or action skills, shields, can interrupt them by critting or explosions, kill ads etc.
adding dodge to the game would just end up with worse mechanics bc enemies still need to hit you
ripe tendon
Also I want iFrames when I dodge
and every boss should have a 1-hit kill function built into them somehow.
pls gearbox.
fringe salmon
I mean.. One Punch is in the game :p
ripe tendon
fair point
bleak pike
rip
dont get it
legit gasme is running like shit out of nowhere
yay it crashed
the exe file is 600mb
...
bleak pike
and again
sleek gorge
good game aye?
fringe salmon
just randomly or what are you doing?
bleak pike
randomly
fringe salmon
tried to verify game files?
orchid prism
hollow sphinx
Is the steam drm that bad?
small comet
drm nuvo
no bl3 crack?
wot
all 3
tmw you buy beauty brushes for dusting off small pcbs from old consoles
ripe tendon
I love grenades that give cash. Combine it with a MIRV and homing attribute and I'm a happy player.
small comet
i just noticed this isnt the secret cave
raw wren
4 days and counting 
@dense pond If I recall, though I'm not entirely certain, but I think BL3 uses Denuvo 6.0
Which was also used (and cracked) in other games
Total War: Three Kingdoms also used Denuvo 6.0
fringe salmon
from what I read its using some new stuff, even works different depending on the hardware or so
didnt bother reading into it too much
raw wren
Yeah it seems rather ughhhhhh
raw wren
I hope they remove it by the time it arrives for steam release
Cause at that point it would have "fufilled" its purpouse
bleak pike
ye but when there are two forms of drm it always causes issue
remember metro took a while
or well a fww weeks right?
raw wren
Let's hope some scene group has knowledge of both of them that can do the magic
Yeah
Exodus?
bleak pike
ngl it baffles me that people are pirating Gears 5
raw wren
Exodus was 4 days
Well, there will always be hardcore pirates
Then there are pirates that pirate it like a demo
bleak pike
xD
small comet
i pirate freeware
keen urchin
Can you play BL3 with the Xbox game pass?
Although after watching some streamer play, I'm not sure I'm interested any more
All he did was jump ALL the damn time and throw granades
keen urchin
Well, I think he used a luncher at some point
fringe salmon
unless you jump above a boss mechanic etc.
I mean I want to see him try tvhm/mayhem 3 with that strat
fringe salmon
what streamer and what did he play?