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fading spade
hollow sphinx
fringe salmon
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okay, anyone familiar with console game pricing?

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why is borderlands 3 10 euro more on console than on pc

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but for $ prices its the same

keen urchin
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That's peculiar

fringe salmon
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59euro for pc, 69 for console, 69$ for pc or console

keen urchin
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Oh

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Then it's just the PC version being cheaper

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Because they do regional pricing/currency conversion differently

fringe salmon
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i dont have a console so its just weird to me

orchid prism
bleak pike
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xDxDxD

ripe tendon
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Neat I remember when you could play Quake 3 Arena (I think it was) on a modded original Xbox. Good times...

hollow sphinx
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DO A FLIP

grim lichen
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Anyone tried it with Apex Legends?

novel umbra
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apex is basically cs

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engine wise at least

grim lichen
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Yes that's true

novel umbra
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if you wanna know if it works without owning the keyboard try to move with a controller while aiming with the mouse

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if that works the wooting can do it

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if it doesn't work you either did it wrong or it the wooting can't do it

grim lichen
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Got it.

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but as a non analog keyboard, does it have any advantages over the other mechanical keyboards?

novel umbra
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you can set your actuation point where you want

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and it has the smoothest linear switches

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without having to spend a ton of lube and MX blacks

grim lichen
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I actually am using the red cherry mx, I never felt any lack of smoothness, however, it's good to know that they are smooth.

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Any recommendations for PBT key caps for it?

elder swallow
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Theres also a 1000 hz polling rate mode

novel umbra
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basically any fit

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1000hz barely is a feature

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but if you try flaretech you will feel how rough mx reds are

fringe salmon
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you can change keys and keycaps very easily, it's duarable, easy to clean

keen urchin
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Tachyon mode

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It has one of the lowest keypress to signal latencies

elder swallow
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very useful for certain games

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not meaningful at all in many

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in like a moba it is advantageous to have the fastest latency possible

novel umbra
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And we still managed to not mention DKS

ripe tendon
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Role queue's live.

bleak pike
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Jesus

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Bungie being open and pro consumer

orchid prism
sleek gorge
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holy crap man, i've been trying to remember the name of that game for ages

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played a demo for it ages back and i've been struggling ever since

fading spade
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how is your tv setup so clean

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we get wires and tv boxes everywhere -.-

novel umbra
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you don't need a tv box if you use an internal receiver

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and otherwise you can just stream stuff over wifi

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you could even get one of those fancy wireless hdmi thingies

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and cleanly set up your consoles etc with an hdmi switch on another side od the room

fading spade
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we dont have smart tv cause our current tv box cant connect via hdmi

novel umbra
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wtf

fading spade
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its so old

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that it only has a scart connector on it

novel umbra
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modern tvs don't need a tvbox

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or does it do anything special

fading spade
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our tv is also 9 years old

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its a 32 inch 1738*768 piece of crap

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and the speakers are crackling because mom plays the tv so loud I can hear it from upstairs with music and headphones on

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yeh

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come to ireland, where you will find not smart TV and really shitty laptops that cost 800 euro

novel umbra
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you can get cheap sm,art tvs nowadays

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TCL ones are actually prety good

fading spade
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not here, the cheapest here is like 250 for one that isnt 1080P

novel umbra
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you can get those too

elder swallow
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Is that the game the dude made in grandma's boy

novel umbra
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but for what reason

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well

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you won't get a non smarttv that actually is decent

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cause it costs next to nothing to integrate

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me neither

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they got rather cheap though

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the 50" one is "just" 355

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nah

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but it is the best one

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TCL previous had rokus built in

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which is also decent

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otherwise you have some propriatry stuff

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per manufacturer

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and appletv exists but it is shit

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and doesn't support stuff

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androidtv basically is android so pretty much everything runs on it

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well

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if you aren't completely stupid it is safe

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  • you get software fixes etc
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how often did you get viruses on your pc?

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well, even then

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it is android

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you can factory reset etc

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well, IF you get a smarttv I don't think that some are better than others in that regard

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in the end google could just buy their data

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I don't want a tv either way

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another wootinglul

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lol

orchid prism
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Whoa...wall of text esoog_tep

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Planning for a small photo shelf for one console at s time below, or maybe just a rolling table, so I can hide them away afterwards.

fading spade
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ooohhhh

orchid prism
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We don't really watch TV anymore, so there's no cabling or boxes for cable or satellite. We just stream from apps. 🙂

fading spade
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if we had a router and fast wifi then we could do that too

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we have a chromecast

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but only I use and rarely

bleak pike
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I love my chromecast

fading spade
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the hdmi inputs on our TV dont let you change the axpect ratio

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so if I am watching 16:9 videos on the chromecast, the bottom and top are cut off a bit

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even though the TV is 16:9 -.-

orchid prism
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Yikes.

fading spade
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m :/

trim rock
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yikes, don't think I've encountered any television that doesn't let me turn off overscan (why does that garbage even still exist today)

wheat kraken
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I don't use my chromecast anymore

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I just use the smart tv functions on the 4k samsung in the living room (yes i know smart tvs and watching you or whatever but fuck it.) and the 4k in the bedroom is hooked up to my desktop

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even though my internet is struggling to run 1080p anymore because fuck me am i right?

molten fox
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Actually having fun in the lastest Apex patch, "dailies" are a pretty toxic concept but since there's nothing to gain in that game except goofy skins, it's been a giggle

bleak pike
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yay or nay

hollow sphinx
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This recovery

orchid prism
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Not bad. 😄

hushed iris
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my dudes

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no man's sky in VR is insane

burnt badge
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no its the games

gaunt lance
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Look into the changelogs

bleak pike
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well this is retarded

ripe tendon
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Odd choice. I wonder if the game will start to become enjoyable now

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@hushed iris Almost makes me want to get a VR set but I'm not sold yet.

fringe salmon
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I have something to sell you on VR

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beat saber

ripe tendon
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yeah it looks neat too

bleak pike
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i sold my headset

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so i cant play

hushed iris
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QQ

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anyway @ripe tendon yeah it’s sweet. A bit buggy right now but the index is fucking great

wheat kraken
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i need to buy NMS

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or y'know

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less than legitimate means

fringe salmon
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nms is probably the best example of a shit launch turned around

fading spade
ripe tendon
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Agreed about NMS. They could've just dropped it and let it bomb and said oh well but they've put a shit ton of work into it. At least goes to show it was an important project to them. That's the feeling I get from them anyway

bleak pike
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I still can't forgive the lying

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But I respect them trying to win back

elder swallow
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Bannerlord when

sleek gorge
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Never apparently

weak cypress
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They released an early access game as the full product, which was a bad move.

orchid prism
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Sensible approach.

bleak pike
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thats good

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Rust has always been an interesting title.

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in regards to their approach on things.

bleak pike
fringe salmon
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wait so are apex players mad at skin prices or whats going on?

bleak pike
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the current event has an axe that costs $170

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cos you need to spend $7 on event boxes

fringe salmon
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but its purely cosmetic?

ripe tendon
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yeah

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it's Bloodhounds heirloom thing. Like that stupid dagger that portal bitch has

fringe salmon
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ah so in short, reddit mad

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got it

ripe tendon
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but still who in their right mind thinks $7 is going go over well for loot boxes

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I think most are aware of that but the more you just accept it the worse it may become and then we'd have to bitch and moan anyway

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So why not bitch a little all the time

fringe salmon
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honestly if you quit a BR because you dont enjoy the pricing of cosmetics, idk what to say

ripe tendon
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depends on how you define value

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some people enjoy the look and that's value

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neither is your entire steam library

fringe salmon
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and I can understand people getting frustrated if they usually like to spend money for some customization, but it still is a f2p game that needs money to survive so rooShrug

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if its not selling well I'm fairly certain the devs will notice that before the consumer will

ripe tendon
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I'm cool with them selling cosmetics but them trying to pull out that much per box is a dick move

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You have access to the game files but that doesn't mean you own them

fringe salmon
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idk if its a dick move, I don't know how much money they need to the game up 🤷

orchid prism
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I don't mind cosmetics. I mind random loot boxes.

fringe salmon
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and personally as long as it stays completely cosmetic I really dont care if it costs 1 or 100$

ripe tendon
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And how rare they shell out lootboxes from regular gameplay is disgusting lol

fringe salmon
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but you only get cosmetics in lootboxes right?

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I wasn't talking about server costs when I said keeping the game up, mostly dev costs since salaries are easily more than hosting costs lmao

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also in a game like apex thats not an option anyway

ripe tendon
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I can't imagine they pay the regular price your average company does either They likely have some sort of contract with a big provider for hosting

fringe salmon
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also sorry but thats just a random reddit guy basing cost of what rates he gets as a private deal

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hes talking out of his ass there lmao

ripe tendon
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for sure

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He's a rando who has his own server while this is Respawn/EA who have connections

fringe salmon
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its not even connections, its just a deal for a single server as a private person vs multiple servers as a company that is likely to do business for more than "unkown time, maybe 1 month"

ripe tendon
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Assuming respawn was cheap and they all got 35k that's near 7.5 mil usd for that team

fringe salmon
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which would be extremely cheap lmao

ripe tendon
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right

bleak pike
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they are using EAs servers

ripe tendon
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not really a livable wage in CA

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Not really needed unless you want specifics You can know 35k won't do it in bigger areas of CA if anywhere in CA at all

fringe salmon
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we dont know how many of them are working on apex and not other titles, we dont know what they pay for servers, and on apex you cant do consumer hosted servers anyway, so there is no point in trying to go deeper into it

ripe tendon
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I doubt they're paying 60k for arts and 104k for computer/math though

fringe salmon
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no its respawn

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yes and ea has burned enough fingers to finally learn to not controll everything

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example they finally stopped forcing everyone to use the forstbite engine for a while now

ripe tendon
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Even if EA were directly involved they definitely have some corrupt higher ups who are screwing those below them lol

bleak pike
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It's so weird how it still feels so new yet so old at the same time

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2012 still feels like yesterday

hollow sphinx
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And it's only going downhill from there

bleak pike
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I think it's cos there wasn't anything significant happening

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We were all pretty young

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And In general the internet wasn't

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Well

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the internet

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And furrys were still rather not known

fading spade
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I used to rule the world....

keen urchin
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2011/2012 was pretty much the same as today

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🤔

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Mid 2000s, things were a little different

fossil solar
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The early 2010s were still pretty furry-free

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I miss those days

meager stump
ripe tendon
keen urchin
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I wonder how much Nvidia paid for this

gaunt lance
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Kinda cool ngl

ripe tendon
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Who knows. It brings more ridiculous attention to the game so maybe not that much.

keen urchin
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Meanwhile, real games...

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Anyway, Mojang has nothing to gain from adding RTX

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I think this is 100% sponsored by Nvidia, just to make it look like they have games that support it

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MC is probably going to be the only game ever where RTX runs well enough on a 2060

lone oasis
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it looks pretty though

novel umbra
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Minecraft has been supporting it for a while

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I guess microsoft wanted a native raytracing shader

ripe tendon
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there's a lot of mod work for ray tracing so they have something to gain from it if it's wanted

keen urchin
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Well, if they make a vendor locked implementation, it's not all that great

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Not sure how far SEUS PTGI is, but at least it's aiming to be vendor agnostic

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My last info is a month old

gaunt lance
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I mean, it's very likely locked to nvidia

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Just nvidia marketing lol

novel umbra
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it isn't locked to nvidia

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but gl running real time raytracing on anything else with directx

ripe tendon
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meaningless, lol

keen urchin
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The sad part is, they apparently had a super duper graphics pack in the works, and gave up on that

bleak pike
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mage

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pls

novel umbra
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make text as hard to read as possible

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and repeat multiple times

hollow sphinx
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minecraft with raytracing is stupid

fringe salmon
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yes and no

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for mc itself it doesnt make too much sense, it's still great because getting it to more places just makes it faster to implement RT as the standard for everything

hollow sphinx
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no

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its dumb

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the comminity mades shaders

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and they started on raytracing like elements

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this is nvidea comming in with their proprietary garbage and wanting press coverage

fringe salmon
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but the community cant change how the base game rendering pipeline works and what api parts are used etc.

novel umbra
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it isn't proprietary garbage

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it runs with microsoft APIs

fringe salmon
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most of rtx is using DXR anyway

novel umbra
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built in directx

fringe salmon
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you just need amd/intel to come out with similar specialized hardware and it can work on them, the api just needs to include it

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no you dont want that to be the case

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yeah because you have no clue what it actually does

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????

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what

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you want that in the future everyone needs to buy 2 cards???

hollow sphinx
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but minecraft doesnt use direct x

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minecraft uses open gl

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your points are invalid

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open gl is the more universal language

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though i would prefer they changed to vulkan

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not direct x

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thy are implamenting rtx

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so they are changing to direct x

fringe salmon
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DXR raytracing is coming to the DirectX 12 version of Minecraft

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they are using dx12

hollow sphinx
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no

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minecraft is using open gl

fringe salmon
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yes thats why the dx12 version of it will use it not the opengl version

hollow sphinx
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in order for them to make rtx..they would have to change the way the game renders

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which is stupid

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again

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this is sponsored by nvidea

fringe salmon
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ofc it is

hollow sphinx
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it is clear as day

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and i dont like it

fringe salmon
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but thats not the point?

hollow sphinx
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they are using the most played game in the world to boost their profits

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and instead of build on the communities version of shading

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no shit

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thats why i dont like it

fringe salmon
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the issue with raytraycing is that there was no hardware good enough for it, thus no games/engines using it

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the faster we can adapt to everything using it the better for almost everything

hollow sphinx
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no

fringe salmon
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because then we get out of the awkward transition phase

hollow sphinx
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you are wrong

fringe salmon
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about what?

hollow sphinx
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sounds like a joke to me

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it wont work

fringe salmon
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I'm not saying it's happening in merely 3 years or something like that lmao

hollow sphinx
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id rather have open sauce than nvidea take controll of my favorite game

fringe salmon
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also I said nothing about RTX, raytraycing is not something limited to nvidia api

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I'm saying change everything to use raytracing, not to changed everything to using nvidias implementation of it

hollow sphinx
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and they were already doing this with shaders

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the mc communmity was already making different types of ray tracing

fringe salmon
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so?

hollow sphinx
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they want their rtx cards to see some use

fringe salmon
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you can't do every part of the render pipeline to use RT just via mods

hollow sphinx
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yes you can

fringe salmon
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no

hollow sphinx
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yes

fringe salmon
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m8

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you cant

hollow sphinx
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you litteraly can

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and not need hardware accell

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open gl as old and versatile as hell

fringe salmon
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I literally was at an hour long talk with like half an hour QnA after it, hold by an graphics engine guy from 4A (Metro exodus)

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yesterday

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you cant do all the new stuff by modding the shaders

hollow sphinx
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prove it

fringe salmon
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unless its an open source game

hollow sphinx
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explain why

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minecraft shaders is open sauce

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the very thing that overhauls minecrafts rendering engine

fringe salmon
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shader =/= render pipeline

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oh yea definitely

orchid prism
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Indirectly anyway. They're doing it to show what RTX can do to a crowd that normally wouldn't be part of their market group

keen urchin
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2019 - the year you need a 2080 Ti to play MC

hollow sphinx
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this will probably happen to the bedrock edition as well

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and not the java edition

fringe salmon
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it will be an option to turn on and not the only choice anyway if they put it as an update into an existing version

hollow sphinx
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but they would have to rerute the entire rendering engine for java

fringe salmon
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heavily depends on what parts of RT they are implementing anyway

bleak pike
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meh

gaunt lance
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Theres been a lotta RT updates wow

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COD, dying light, MC

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All in one day

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Nvidia marketing

ripe tendon
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I hope dying light 2 is good

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Don't give a shit about ray tracing but I hope it's good

ripe tendon
keen urchin
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@ripe tendon It probably won't be
They need to spend the development time/effort to get RTX to at work

ripe tendon
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If it's good that won't matter to me

keen urchin
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I'm not in the mood for hypes atm

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Nothing really meets expectations these days

keen urchin
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I bet you, BL3 will be good after the first few months of patches

fringe salmon
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They will have dlcs

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Every bl game had multiple

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Going to play it in ~20 minutes

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Aye

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Gamescom

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~15 people before me in queue

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Yea I didn’t watch trailers but playing it here isn’t really spoiling for me

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Since, well, I’m he one playing it lol

keen urchin
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Pricing for the game is gonna be ridiculous

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60-100€ for the basegame, and probably 15€ (10-20), for each of the four story DLCs and True and Ultimate Vault Hunter upgrade packs

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Unless you get the gold edition on a sale a year later

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You're gonna spend good money on that game...

novel umbra
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I have no problem with spending money on that game

keen urchin
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I don't think the game + the 8 or so big content DLCs are worth spending some 200€ on

novel umbra
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for me it is

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since borderladns is THE game for me

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at least as long as the base game is at least decent

keen urchin
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Especially, and that's a rip-off nowadays, we need to buy it twice if I wanna play with my wife

novel umbra
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rip

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I don't wana give epic 200 euro though

keen urchin
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Since you can't just play co-op any more these days

novel umbra
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you couldn't in the previous titles

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at least on pc

keen urchin
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I'll wait for steam
That way I also get a patched up game and at least True Vault Hunter mode

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You couldn't what?

novel umbra
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"just play coop"

keen urchin
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Some devs allow you
And some greedy fucks need to milk you for every penny

novel umbra
keen urchin
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Actually

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With BL2 you might be able to play co-op via steam library sharing

novel umbra
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nope

keen urchin
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Haven't tried it, but should work

novel umbra
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just for 5 minutes

keen urchin
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Why?

novel umbra
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after that the the other person gets kicked out

keen urchin
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Not if you start steam in offline mode

novel umbra
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that could work

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can you use a shared library in offline mode?

keen urchin
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Yes

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Means, no online co-op, though

fringe salmon
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Ok they only have stations with controllers so thats shit but I enjoy it nonetheless

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Good game would recommend buying

keen urchin
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How much did they pay you? :p

fringe salmon
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They payed me with 20 minute gameplay on a controller :p

bleak pike
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Though tbh i think its fair game to re use a cancelled expansion and build on it/release as a free season.

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also io really wanna play all the gears but they still aren't all on pc frowning:

keen urchin
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I'd try it

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But not for that price

bleak pike
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That's totally going to the epic store

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"PC"

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We will see I guess

orchid prism
bleak pike
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this triggers me

fringe salmon
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Why is it a bad point for you that it’s made in unity? rooThink

novel umbra
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because hurr durr unity bad

ripe tendon
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You're questioning the logic of somebody who is followed around and reacted to by a bot 😛

fringe salmon
bleak pike
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Unity is just bad for anything other than mobile or indie games

novel umbra
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not rly tbh

bleak pike
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@severe jackal Pls join.

novel umbra
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good unity games don't have the startup logo

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which is why you don't recognize them

bleak pike
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I am aware of good games that use unity

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^

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And well tbh most unity games just have a unity feel

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Same with unreal

fringe salmon
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Wow looking at files tells you what engine it is? Shocking

novel umbra
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I still wouldn't say that unity is necessarily a bad engine

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you can just choose it badly

bleak pike
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its a learning engine

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There is a reason its used in Schools etc

fringe salmon
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If you have a „unity-look“ it’s because you didn’t bother changing default shaders

novel umbra
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because it is accessible

bleak pike
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Hamachi thonk

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Never ever got Hamachi to work with anything

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lmao

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its trash

novel umbra
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hamachi worked every time I tried it

fringe salmon
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any relevant bugs? thonk if not im sure I can find something for every engine

bleak pike
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tungle was the shit

novel umbra
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as well as tungle

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you just have to forward your ports correctly

bleak pike
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Was a shame to see it go.

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Used to play a lot of WaW on it

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Because of rsome reason more people where playing on Tungle than steam

novel umbra
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wtf

bleak pike
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hamachi sucks ass

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very limited

severe jackal
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Unity has a lower skill ceiling. Ue4 has more possibilities out of the box. Ue4 is also more user and artist friendly since it has visual scripting and a nodelike material editor.

bleak pike
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rarely ever works

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UE4 is shit tho

severe jackal
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You can't use unity properly without knowing c#

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To it's full potential

fringe salmon
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and you cant use UE4 to its full potential if you dont know C++

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same thing

severe jackal
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Everything you can do in ue4 can be done without c++

fringe salmon
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nope

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networking for example has a couple classes not exposed to blueprints

severe jackal
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Enough to make a fully functional multiplayer game

fringe salmon
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also, they added a shader graph to unity in a stable version like last year or so, can do pretty much the same as unreal

bleak pike
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Still better than EAs lul

fringe salmon
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agreed, but there are multiple free asset plugins that make it very good

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and also not suprisingly since ue4 was build as a shooter engine so netcode was much more prioritized

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yes free

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100% free

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I've used them

severe jackal
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Unity also needs soooo many plugins to get to a usable state

fringe salmon
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you dont need any plugins to get it stable? what

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the only way I get unity to be stuck is really bad shader code or an infinite loop lmao

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and unreal crashes a lot more

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a looooot

bleak pike
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Unreal does crash more

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tbf

severe jackal
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Who said something about stable...

fringe salmon
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I interpreted usable as stable

bleak pike
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Source > all engines

fringe salmon
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anyway gotta go back to gamescom, I'm down to discuss this more tomorrow

bleak pike
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gayscon

severe jackal
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I've used both engines and unity felt clunky, unintuitive etc. After coming from a simple interface in ue4 unity felt overwhelming, confusing and overall not very organized

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And i don't like c#

fringe salmon
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you cant use them if you dont work there

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from hearing everyone hates frostbite though pretty much

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and snowdrop seems to be very nice

severe jackal
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Saw a video where employees complained about frostbyte. Very buggy and not easily fixable

bleak pike
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or well a trailer for a trailer

fading spade
fading spade
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😂

orchid prism
#

Wow... that has got to be the most generic and useless trailer ever. Thanks Miss Fox 😄

ripe tendon
#

Good for her. They paid her a bunch, I'm sure, for doing absolutely nothing.

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But yeah that's useless.

bleak pike
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@dense pond I bet they don’t bite as much as mod bees

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It’s a trailer for a trailer @ripe tendon @orchid prism so before you judge, wait for the final version so we can laugh and judge that one instead

orchid prism
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A trailer - for a trailer

So... useless 😛

bleak pike
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Yup

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Pretty much the lowest you can go

hollow sphinx
#

And the back to me having problems

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I can't use wasd in everspace as moving keys for some reason

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They work in literally every other game

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Anyone have any ideas?

ripe tendon
#

w/e you did to get it working in Grip

hollow sphinx
#

no

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i didnt

ripe tendon
#

so then not literally every game?

hollow sphinx
#

all ue4 games

ripe tendon
#

are you still trying direct input?

hollow sphinx
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yes

ripe tendon
#

try xinput and see if you can get that one working

hollow sphinx
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now i can use my keyboard for moving

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or xinput

ripe tendon
#

xinput worked immediately in grip with 0 issues for me

hollow sphinx
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cant*

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not for me

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generic usb device0

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for both xinout and dinput

ripe tendon
#

where are you looking at that and why is it relevant

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is that linux or a VM

fading spade
#

O.o

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This is my favourite Indian person on the internet

ripe tendon
#

No surprise with that opening line 😛

fading spade
#

😂

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I love his Deep wWeb series too

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and his old creepypasta readings

fading spade
burnt badge
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Bro thats so cool bro

hollow sphinx
#

did some edditing

gaunt lance
#

Sick edits m9

burnt badge
bleak pike
#

There’s something so wholesome about pewdiepies minecraft series

bleak pike
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Yes

gaunt lance
#

Yeno

bleak pike
#

Yes

gaunt lance
#

Ok

sleek gorge
#

I have seen a couple of the episodes, it seems to make him happy so good for him

elder swallow
#

wow classic is so good

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they went and made the tiniest details just like vanilla

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like the queue times xDxDxD

weak cypress
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Either that or benefiting from nostalgia, "graciously" providing access to the first version of it by taking down "illicit" vanilla servers that existed ever since the first expansion.

orchid prism
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I can't wait for the wave of "OMG THE GAME SUCKED BACK THEN" posts 😄

lone oasis
#

@bleak pike the pewdiepies' minecraft series is great 😄 and also the collabs 😄

bleak pike
#

Yes

unique bane
#

Mansen you eternal pessimist 😛

#

classic WoW is good for the genre

orchid prism
#

I'm a realist 😄

#

I was there back in the day to hear all of the complaining - And all of the cheers as QOL snuck into the game little by little.

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It's going to come as a big shock to a lot of players how unfinished several specs were back in the day.

bleak pike
#

@orchid prism

hollow sphinx
#
ChugsRocketFuel

@everyone
I've posted a bit of a thank you note to our community on Imgur, as well as mentioned we're going to give out some Artifex DLC keys this week

Give the post a look 👀

https://imgur.com/gallery/gWXl5Yk

in #announcements at GRIP ·
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u can weeeeeeeen

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or try XD

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@fading spade

orchid prism
keen urchin
#

Is there a good map viewer for minecraft?

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I just wanna find a good seed

unique bane
#

@orchid prism I wasn't there but I played Everquest and Vanguard.. And have pledged for Pantheon:Rise of the Fallen which all are from Brad Mcquaid, and offer similar experience.. 🙂 Some people just want that kind of experience, oldschool and time consuming without much QoL

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nah bro its not oldschool

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Its not EQ, its not VG.. But its own kind of game

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the pace is slower and more strategic but it won't be oldschool at all

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the content is intended to be enjoyed in 1-2 hour slices, so the design mirrors that

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won't need to nolife it

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well, open world design and strategic pace, very unforgiving death penalty etc

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but other designs are completely new

#

animations and graphics get big overhaul soon so Ill link you a new stream, they hitting a milestone soon (Project PF) they call it

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what do you mean exactly?

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animations?

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uhh, you mean the combat pace?

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xD

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yeah.. Action combat vs tab target

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^^

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tab target are more strategic and less movement and using your abilities

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gw2 is action combat btw

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anyway trinity doesnt work in action combat like gw2

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But Trinity is more about strategic team compositions, tank getting hate, so the DPS can spank it, and wary of getting too much aggro and the healers heal.. And theres so much going in the combat you cant just stand

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besides game like EQ/pantheon is about controlling the resources (mana, endurance)

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so you take careful decisions

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aight

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maybe I get you to try pantheon, there is free trial so u can test if ur opinion change

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Good 😄

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Some people share your concern Tino, that tab target is too oldschool these days but, clearly there is need for that type of gameplay (see vanilla wow or wow in general), in any case.. They have actually tried to improve the traditional tab target to make it more hectic so that theres more action things to do in combat

orchid prism
#

Hey man - Whatever you want to play. I don't judge. I just don't see the appeal. ;D

unique bane
#

We have a team of 4 finnish dudes that are gonna play it maybe you'll come to sing us a song or heal us ;P

fading spade
#

Why was I pinged?

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🤔

fringe salmon
#

@fading spade dunno

meager stump
#

@fading spade dunno

orchid prism
fading spade
#

:')

elder swallow
#

I'm doing it

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Time to play wow

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6 hours til I get in my server

#

Queued up at 4:30 at 9000 now its 6:10 and I'm at 5500

ripe tendon
#

Wait for the dc that drops 5k people

keen urchin
#

@fading spade I'm curious, too

lone oasis
#

@fading spade did you find out

orchid prism
#

How many goats do I need to sacrifice to the almighty Gaben to get CSGO to spit out more than 170fps. I hate this engine so much

novel umbra
#

wtf is your hardware

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170fps is insanely low

gaunt lance
#

youd need .5 goatpower

orchid prism
#

An i7 and a 2080...

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Lowest settings at 1080p fullscreen

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Can you see my frustration 😄

gaunt lance
#

thats not .5 goatpower

novel umbra
#

wot

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what map did you test?

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the new nuke in the release version?

#

what i7

gaunt lance
#

that really shouldnt matter

#

He can run a 2080, its a good i7

novel umbra
#

the gpu basically doesn't matter

#

and "a good i7" is which one

#

a mobile one?

fringe salmon
#

are you using a config file for performance to tweak settings you dont see in menus?

novel umbra
#

even without that he should get much better perofmance

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on most maps at least

orchid prism
#

Inferno. Ran a replay of a tourney

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No special setup or anything. No commands.

lone oasis
#

@tacit rose bam

bleak pike
orchid prism
ripe tendon
fringe salmon
#
  • recommended specs are for 1440p
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minimum for 1080

ripe tendon
#

Be nice if we knew what quality setting for 1080 and 1440

fringe salmon
#

I mean I dont believe you need 10GB RAM more for better quality

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so its probably just a bit more than minimum

ripe tendon
#

Still 680 and 1060 aren't bad for 1080 and 1440

fringe salmon
#

yea

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but we also dont know if that is for min/max settings at 30 or 60 fps kek

ripe tendon
#

If it's for 30 fps burn their offices down

keen urchin
#

Kek

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Used to be worse

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They made death worlds a lot easier

waxen heron
#

Anyone here that's also excited for Stormland VR?

fringe salmon
#

I'm waiting for the release but im a bit sceptic towards most vr devs so im not getting hyped about it

bleak pike
#

dont have vr anymore

orchid prism
#

Rail world for life. Choo choo

bleak pike
fringe salmon
#

that was announced last year already

bleak pike
#

oh

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still surprised

hollow sphinx
#

How to lose a race

bleak pike
bleak pike
#

And this ladies and gentlemen

#

Is why java version is supreme

fading spade
#

I signed up for Minecraft Earth but they only support 5 locations

#

I bet you that Ireland wont even be added anytime

hollow sphinx
#

yeah

#

java version is where this doesnt exist

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yet

unique bane
#

@orchid prism that is weird. I get 400 fps in csgo with my 9 year old cpu + gtx 1060.

bleak pike
#

@dense pond hurry up and get a new house so we can play mc

orchid prism
#

Typical CSGO. Shit engine, impossible to get running nice

unique bane
#

Don't think so, it's your pc or setup most likely

fringe salmon
#

impossible to get running nice
are you really saying that when you get 170 fps thonk

orchid prism
#

Yes - Because the hardware is sound. It's the engine configuration that is shit 😄

unique bane
#

Source 1 is pretty old engine... It's not optimal for any given task but its not shit 😄

fringe salmon
#

have you tried using config files for max performance?

unique bane
#

170 fps is in the territory of reinstall your O/S

#

imo

orchid prism
#

It's a fresh install 😄

#

As for fiddling with config files? No. Because I shouldn't have to.

But I might have to, since the laptop is literally designed for CSGO.

unique bane
#

i7 what?

orchid prism
#

9750H and a 2080MQ

unique bane
#

its laptop? that explains it

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lol..

#

yeah then its completely normal

orchid prism
unique bane
#

you're capped by cpu frequency and ram latency

fringe salmon
#

I really don't feel like you can call something shit because for above 170fps on a laptop and a decade old engine you need to fiddle with configs thinken

orchid prism
#

4.1 boost. 2666Mhz RAM. I think we both know this shouldn't be the case 😛

#

I kind of have to when it's a 3700$ product literally designed for that single purpose.

unique bane
#

3700$ for laptop for CSGO? wtffffffffff

#

are you trolling us 😄

orchid prism
#

Oh you missed the point about this being a Razer Blade? 😛

fringe salmon
#

that's more like a shit laptop configuration you got there than a shit engine rooThinkingNut

unique bane
#

is this yours or a clients

orchid prism
#

I am laughing pretty hard here. It's an i7...with a 2080. And it can't pull 240hz consistently, because of bad config on the engine's part. (I know it can run 240hz easy. But not without heavy fiddling, which is just sad)

unique bane
#

gpu doesnt matter at all

orchid prism
#

Of course not.

unique bane
#

it could have gtx 760 and the fps woud be same

orchid prism
#

And no - It thankfully isn't mine. This thing becomes an oven, when you boot up demanding games. Review.

trim rock
#

So it's a gaming laptop

#

What did you expect?

orchid prism
#

I expected it 😄

fringe salmon
#

15 year old engine that with no difficult fiddling can give you more fps on a laptop than what most high end monitors do these days monkaHmm

orchid prism
#

Gotta keep that240hz panel busy 😄

unique bane
#

tell your customer you cant see more than 24fps

#

its literally impossible

orchid prism
#

Gotta say - The 240hz definitely feels smoother than my 144hz at home. But it's a pipe dream for games, and I'd rather get a 1440P panel than a 1080P 240.

unique bane
#

240hz is quite easy but you gotta spend all your budget on cpu and ram

#

and 720/1080p

#

and config tuning 😄

orchid prism
#

I meant gaming in general, not just eSports games 😉

unique bane
#

Ahh well yeah

#

144hz is fine, for normal gaming.. With fast panels.. And anti-lag/nvidia equivalent

fringe salmon
#

there is no capital S in esports Reeeeee

orchid prism
#

I'd be lucky to get a fluid 110FPS in most current games on my 8700K/2080 PC at 1440P, which is fine for 144fps. I can lower settings for the few FPS games I play

unique bane
#

Those helped alot imo

orchid prism
#

Whaddya mean qUintosh? 😛

fringe salmon
#

ManS-en Reeeeee

orchid prism
#

It isn't though.

#

You can definitely get +300 FPS on this specific hardware. But not without insane levels of fiddling 😛

#

And it isn't consistent about needing tweaking.

fringe salmon
#

but are you sure its the engine, and not bad memory timings or windows scheduling ro anything?

#

I'm not really familiar with mobile cpus to know if that one has any limitations

orchid prism
#

It's pretty close to desktop performance. 4.1ghz 9th gen IPC

#

I am just ranting that I need to fiddle with things so much to get the damn game to perform as expected 😄

#
  • On this specific machine because reasons -
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It makes benchmarking the game pointless, because there's no consistency.

If I wrote "Yeah this game can probably run 500FPS on this laptop", no one would be able to argue against it...because they couldn't test and confirm it.

fringe salmon
#

well, tbf I wouldnt really consider csgo something I want to look at for benchmarks anyway

#

like most esports games you rather want best performance and lower settings and if you really care you want to fiddle with it to optimize it anyway, in that regard source is nice because you can do more than on other engines to fit it to your righ and connection

orchid prism
#

Because... I am reviewing a laptop literally designed for this game, Flem. FFS 😄

fringe salmon
#

are you telling me razor said that laptop is designed for csgo? AGthinking_intensifies

#

what model is it?

#

or is it not announced yet

#

sorry for instinctively typing a existing word rooDerpier

bleak pike
#

Probably can’t copyright razor

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So there’s your answer

#

React lul

fringe salmon
#

meh, its most likely only the same thing people saw at gamescom and such

orchid prism
#

@fringe salmon What else would you call a laptop with an i7, a 2080 and a 240hz panel? "easy to run at high FPS" reeSports games are the one thing that would be aimed at.

It's not an IPS panel, it's not 4K.

bleak pike
#

graphics are meh

#

why do they look worse than last time

fringe salmon
#

you mean generic gameplay doesnt look as perfect as a cherry picked setup?

bleak pike
#

i mean graphics

fringe salmon
#

I know

#

first gameplay reveal was still a cherry picked setup at the best looking place with definitely some post processing going on similar

bleak pike
#

this stream is so shit lol

keen urchin
#

@orchid prism Pls benchmark display latency too

#

Because that's more important than >300 FPS

orchid prism
#

How can a literal mission from start to end be considered cherry picking?bcaShame6Scared3

fringe salmon
#

I mean if I think about witcher 3 I can think of a few missions who are a lot better and are at much better looking areas than the rest

#

then add a few post processing things, or maybe ingame graphics that wont make the final cut and you have a nice trailer that looks better

unique bane
#

😮

unique bane
#

People seem to be in love in Classic WoW, they love dying and corpse runs

#

Im very happy to hear that

orchid prism
#

To each their own I suppose.

fringe salmon
#

free Pog

raw wren
#

😮

bleak pike
#

reeeee

#

i got rid of my headset 😦

bleak pike
#

For anyone interested in Destiny 2

elder swallow
#

Classic wow is such a trip

#

Game really makes you think about a lot of stuff

orchid prism
#

Like how bad it was designed back then? 😄

ripe tendon
#

I wouldn't call it well designed now

unique bane
#

oldschool game design is the best

#

naked corpse runs & xp loss makes the game world feel alive

#

I dunno why it does, but it does

#

even wow vanilla is too easy for that, you gotta lose all your gear on the corpse and run back naked

#

😄

keen urchin
#

I dunno, but I personally like XP loss upon death in MMOs

#

I'm also not the biggest fan of too many ways to quick travel

#

And I like a bit of grind

elder swallow
#

It's just a nice change of pace from shooters

keen urchin
#

And I believe in strict separation of classes

elder swallow
#

It's nice to be able to mess around yet also have bunches of challenges

keen urchin
#

MMOs strongly declined when healers started being able to solo mobs, tanks started taking less than a minute to solo a mob, and DD classes didn't have to blow their entire mana pool on CC to solo a mob

elder swallow
#

I saw a guild today named Big PP Texas Cowboy Gang

#

All my friends are different levels and we cant really play together

keen urchin
#

That's the case even in FPSs

elder swallow
#

All the normal time people get stuck in a 5 hour queue

unique bane
#

yea I agree Xeanoa

#

XP loss, deleveling and corpse runs like back in the days

#

I want that back in my mmorpgs

#

and unable to solo after lvl 10-15

sleek gorge
#

Man why is destiny so expensive

#

If I want forsaken and shadowkeep, that's like $85

novel umbra
#

forsaken will be free on steam afaik

#

you only have to buy the newest expansion

sleek gorge
#

Oh really?

#

Nice

hollow sphinx
#

And there goes all of their fan base

#

The only reason a lot of people were using scanner redacted was because it was objectively better of the new scanners

#

Unfortunately a lot of the people I knew said they were going to leave once scanner redacted was no longer supported

#

So there goes another chunk of the player base

ripe tendon
#

I don't mind some old-school parts of MMOs but scaling is golden for me and always will be if it's done right. I hate having to pick when I play if I want to play when friends are available. That's an old design that should die, imo. If it's done right it hurts nothing.

keen urchin
#

Haven't really seen it done right yet

#

ESO for example doesn't really do it well

#

I don't really know how you'd do it right

#

If you scale everyone to the same level, take or give everyone the same amount of skill points, and scale everyone's gear to the same level?

unique bane
#

scaling should never be in mmorpgs

#

its anti-rpg mechanic

keen urchin
#

I agree

bleak pike
#

d@sleek gorge Mate

#

The current price for Destiny 2 is insanely cheap.

#

In the past people had to pay

$40 for forsaken
$35 for annual pass
$35 for warmind
$35 for orsrus

#

Now its just £34.99 euro for everything

fringe salmon
#

So I finally get a good game for 40 and not a half baked one? nice

bleak pike
#

ye

#

forsaken was basically the real launch

fringe salmon
#

so glad D2 came with the 1080 I got so I didnt pay for it on launch

bleak pike
#

lol

fringe salmon
#

would've been a quick refund otherwise

bleak pike
#

launch was a joke

#

same with d1

#

i feel bad for people who bought the first 2 expansions also

#

as for the new expansion

#

its pricy aye

#

but

#

its not needed right away and i personally will be buying it over russian vpn

#

like i did with d2 in general

fringe salmon
#

you'd think after D1 apparently being fine towards the end would show they know what a good game needs, and allow them to release something good with D2

#

nope, all gone

#

collective memory loss at Bungie or something

bleak pike
#

ye

#

it was pretty bad

#

But its a solid game now

#

and Shadowkeep everything is changing

#

its wonderful

#

shadowkeep itself the only thing locked is story and missions

#

so there is no rush to get it

#

My tital playtime is 323h 3m xD

fringe salmon
#

I think I finished the main story then quit?

bleak pike
#

main story is meh

#

youc ant start the game

#

without getting past it all

keen urchin
#

What's D2 about?

fringe salmon
#

the base idea was a shooter mmo style

#

but lackluster "raids" afaik

#

untill the latest dlc at least

bleak pike
#

lack luster raids?

#

the raids are awesome

fringe salmon
#

the ones from the start?

bleak pike
#

fyo

#

first 2 dlcs are part of the base game now

fringe salmon
#

where I face a boss and there's no real mechanic in the fight?

#

idc how they sell it now, dlc is dlc not base game

bleak pike
#

ik i was just saying

#

but

#

what raids did you do

fringe salmon
#

I have not bought any dlc

bleak pike
#

in the base

#

what raids did you do

fringe salmon
#

uhh idk what they were called

bleak pike
#

because the bosses have mechanics

fringe salmon
#

for the bossfight you went down on a round platform or so?

bleak pike
#

and different encounters

fringe salmon
#

electric sea around the platform?

bleak pike
#

thats not a raid

#

xD

#

and thats vex milk

fringe salmon
#

what is it then

bleak pike
#

nightfall/strike

fringe salmon
#

I thought thats what the raids are called?

bleak pike
#

no

#

raids are their own end game stuff

orchid prism
#

I wish they used the areas more. I remember being gutted at how the big abandoned mall had ZERO content, if you just went inside without a quest.

fringe salmon
#

did they have any raids at the start then?

bleak pike
#

yes

fringe salmon
#

which one

bleak pike
#

Leviathan

#

which had 3 different ones

#

and there are different types like perfected, prestine etc

#

but anyway

#

d2 at launch was meh

#

my point is now

#

its pretty good

fringe salmon
#

oh I think I quit the game before that was out

bleak pike
#

as for what you did

#

there are loads like that

#

Destiny has a similar issue to wf

#

it takes time to get into at first

#

and a lot of peoplebash the game

#

cos of it

fringe salmon
#

idk, gameplay wasn't too impressive, as mansen said some nice locations are only seen once where others are reused a lot and I didn't really want to wait a week before I had actual content to play

bleak pike
#

eh

#

i disagree

#

i hate nessus and io

#

other than that everything is different

#

to d1

fringe salmon
#

didnt play d1

bleak pike
#

then wtf did they re use

#

in your eyes

#

its a bloody mmo

#

lol

fringe salmon
#

yes but you can not reuse one area for 5 missions and have one other for a single one

#

if I get a game, finish the meh-story and then I only see the same part of an area for basically every quest and then need to wait for an actualy "endgame" when you reach endgame after finishing the story, I just drop it

#

just release it a week later instead of making me wait

#

if you cant have it on release

bleak pike
#

huh

#

the only time you visit the ssame area is for bounties and herocis

#

this is mmo 101

#

if you prefer linear play single player

fringe salmon
#

I was mostly just disappointed at lack of raids on release

#

the strike thing wasnt challenging or really anything imo

bleak pike
#

thats fair

#

like i said

#

back then

#

nah

#

but forsaken ya

#

change the entire game

#

not just add content

fringe salmon
#

yeah but I dont want to support a mmo getting released in early access without telling me so

bleak pike
#

100%

#

agree

#

but you're getting it now not then

#

or well

#

in wangs case

ripe tendon
#

I hated that D2 had a solid opening to the game and it looked great and then it just got meh after that

bleak pike
#

pretty much like d1 then

#

xD

bleak pike
#

Takeaway guy: "Whatcha playing?"
Me: Destiny 2
Takeaway guy: "PS4?"
Me: No, PC
Takeaway guy: "Damn, need some friends"

😂

orchid prism
novel umbra
#

Rip him

raw wren
bleak pike
#

I suddenly hate destiny 2

novel umbra
#

rip

bleak pike
#

Apparently they did it in one

#

And it’s not as bad as I thought

fringe salmon
#

Bl3 seems to be 11% off at greenmangaming, all 3 variants thinken

hollow sphinx
#

i feel sooo bad

#

and this is their continued reactions

fading spade
#

Forge for 1.14.4 wont load Optifine HD U F3 ://

#

I have Forge running on OpenJDK 8 as it crashes on 12

fading spade
#

nvm needed a preview version 😂

timber saffron
#

when turning i see my wheels act as if the signal is digital

fringe salmon
#

are you moving the mouse at the same time?

timber saffron
#

i might have earlier, but i just retried with not touching the mouse, no change

#

hmmm, and i just notice i can type even though it's on an analog scheme

fringe salmon
#

then you probably have digital keys still enabled

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or maybe at some point you switched profiles? I'd recommend different rgb settings if you dont have that, to make sure you know what profile you're on

timber saffron
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the colors are different, i wrote a D for the driving profile 🙂

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that digital keys setting did something, i was no longer able to drive. i'm trying different binding now, becouse now the game does nothing at all

fringe salmon
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yeah you need to restart the game then so it notices you started it with a controller

timber saffron
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that is nasty

fringe salmon
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yeah, gta doesnt like mouse or keyboard with using a controller

timber saffron
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nice, that does something

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yep that works!

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thanks!

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still need to tweak on sensetivity, but i got that now it's working

orchid prism
bleak pike
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i saw it xD

orchid prism
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😄

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"When your mom won't buy you a VR headset"

raw wren
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Very naisu

keen urchin
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Damn, SEUS PTGI E9 + umsoea R10 break my MC 😦

hollow sphinx
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f

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should i get realistico?

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or is it not worth

keen urchin
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Probably not worth

bleak pike
fringe salmon
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m8 she's turning the saber counter-clockwise and sometimes left right

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did you never play beatsaber when you had your rift?

bleak pike
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yes

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and i was shit at it

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😄

fringe salmon
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yet you could also do that after maybe 3 hours more at most

half herald
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Anyone ever used a Wooting for WarThunder? Was trying to set it up last night and was having a difficult time. Specifically, I’d like to use analog to control elevators and ailerons in the air

half herald
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I just realized I was only trying Xinput, will try direct input tonight, maybe thatll be easier

fringe salmon
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Sans in smash and we get a sick remix Pog

ripe tendon
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If anybody wants a Tom Clancy Breakpoint Beta Code let me know.

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aka message me.

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And apparently Divinity Original Sin 2 supports seamless cross-save between PC and Switch so that's kind of awesome.

sleek gorge
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Man divinity is such a good game

novel umbra
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yup

ripe tendon
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yeah. Wife and I started a game together not that long ago. That makes for a fun time.

orchid prism
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Never managed to catch me. The combat feels... off

tough jay
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Still need to play it sometime, maybe a switch version will be enough to get me that far

bleak pike
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"reward"

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plez pay $32.14

novel umbra
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lol

bleak pike
shrewd glen
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can anyone that plays Warframe with a controller/on a console help me figure something out?

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or has a few minutes and a controller to test something I can't :D

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I can't tell if crouching or firing disables analog input by default or if that's the game switching to digital when I hit a different key

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like
walking with half press > fire weapon> running with half press during firing animation

fringe salmon
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you can test that yourself, just bind firing your weapon to another analog button and not the mouse

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and double check you have digital keys disabled

bleak pike
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From what i remember

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it doesn't disable anything

shrewd glen
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fair point

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will do when i get home, thanks 👍

bleak pike
fringe salmon
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its alive

raw wren
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WOAH

wheat kraken
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what

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the

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FUCK

fading spade
fringe salmon
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taichi is the best beat saber player since like it came out

fading spade
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but how

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do you do?

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this is

fringe salmon
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have you ever played beat saber

fading spade
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much speed