hmmm, but i doubt i'll play it a lot
#๐ฎโgame
lone oasis
fossil solar
All I can say is that itโs a great looking and sounding game
lone oasis
i don't have enough SSD space for it
#refund
how do you uninstall games on the blizzard launcher?
ah found it
destiny 2 gone, fallout 76 (never launched gone ๐
hmmmm 60
bleak pike
not a huge fan how big the game is
@fossil solar @lone oasis there is a campaign
and its OK
And the dlc campaing
Main campaign is 5-7 hours and dlc one is 2 hours or so
@fossil solar BF2 is pretty damn good these days, nothing like launch.
Especially after the recent Capital Supremacy updates
bleak pike
Ugh origin keeps declining my card
sleek gorge
Just use a different card :p
sleek gorge
Uplay doesn't like my normal bank card, have to use another one
Oh right
Well aye, that's origin for you
Crap
bleak pike
its cos the sale is pretty decent
and a lot of people are getting swbf2 after the recent updates and confirmation of playcount being as high as launch
bleak pike
ye
small comet
wut
sleek gorge
High as launch? That's a poor launch then 
bleak pike
tbh playercount was pretty high at launch
due to origin access triakl
ayy it went through
small comet
idk why but im watching aoe2 matches lately from t90 official and it looks so fun
meager stump
same it's great to watch people struggle
small comet
ripe tendon
There was a huge security issue with Origin's launcher but anytime Epic is mentioned only its security issues will be brought up lol
hollow sphinx
XD
lone sequoia
small comet
def not a security issue
ripe tendon
If a person is worried about Epic I hope they don't play League of Legends
fading spade
fading spade
ah....so true
fringe salmon
seems unusual at least
small comet
yakuza 0 at its finest
fringe salmon
oh I thought you were talking about irl lul
small comet
u are a girl
fading spade
so? still cant talk to them
sleek gorge
You just gotta find the right context, then you chat about anything
I remember chatting to this girl for ages at a gig, and somehow ended up shouting over the music about WW2 tank design
fading spade
oo ๐
sleek gorge
Perhaps alcohol also helps in some scenarios, but it's probably not a good idea to rely on it 
fading spade
tank design ๐ such a great topic
small comet
dont drink alcohol
and my topics i can actually talk about are limited to the pc
so ya
fading spade
pc, phones, shitty lectures and complaing about them
sleek gorge
I don't really drink either outside of going to gigs
fading spade
i dont drink and always refuse to
small comet
whatever a gig is
sleek gorge
Yeah, I can see why people could feel claustrophobic in them
small comet
not claustrophobic just too many unknown people for my liking
sleek gorge
I see
Idk, when thinking of strangers just remember that none of them care what you're doing. They're just going about their day like you would. Especially in scenarios where you're all in the same place for the same thing, you can really relate to the people around you
Or at least, that's the way I see it
But obviously everyone is different so it's not like my outlook is right or anything
small comet
cant thinkg of any programming conventions with girls that arent there to please their bf
sleek gorge
I'm sure they're out there
But here's the thing too, people don't necessarily have to care about what you say as long as you say it right. That girl didn't care at all about WW2 tanks, but if you're interested and passionate enough, you can make people care
sleek gorge
you wanna eat a panzer?
fading spade
I have the same question......we need answers Callum
bleak pike
You should assume by now im on my phone
fading spade
๐
sleek gorge
i see
hollow sphinx
or you're perpetually having a stroke
small comet
almost looks like girls n panzer
keen urchin
Season 2 or what is that?
small comet
could be idk
orchid prism
This is the one where they take Tank battles as an after school club thing. On an airplane carrier.
small comet
so girls and panzer
small comet
why yakuza 0
why
THIS
DESTROYS
ME
this isnt getting better
especially since the dude is wearing panties and shoes only
sleek gorge
trim rock
Yeah that game has some quality side stuff next to the main serious story stuff
hollow sphinx
i was never for visual novels
willow quiver
it's not a visual novel?
small comet
psure yakuza games arent vns
ripe tendon
What's the logic behind playing a squad based game, running off on your own and just going full REEEEEEEEE when you die alone?
bleak pike
Straight from a horror film
ripe tendon
Not gonna lie. It kinda makes me want VR
hollow sphinx
good god XD
toxic hill
Well that escalated.
orchid prism
๐
sterile urchin
anybody has wooting 2 ps4 keybinding for cod bo4? For me r1 and l1 not working in analogue mode.
fringe salmon
very vague, clicky headline
uneven trench
Yea
lone oasis
BF V for 25 euros
small comet
not 5bucks
willow quiver
well
it is a crappy english translation
it's suspected that it was translated from japanese to chinese and then to english
all with automatic translators from the 90s
with a hilarious result
it's called vietnamnese crystal since the cartridge it was found on was bought by a tourist in vietnam
sleek gorge
Chinglish is already funny, that would be a mess ๐
willow quiver
it's a prime example of that
makes it somewhat harder to play since you don't ahve any idea which is which
and what move does what
the names usually don't make sense
sleek gorge
That reminds me of playing all of pokemon red in Japanese. Downloaded the wrong rom, gave it a shot then got too far in to give up and switch to the English version
So I just about scraped by
willow quiver
a friend had a fake copy of fire red
which couldn't hold any data
so he had to play throughit without shutting of his gameboy
sleek gorge
I did that with so many PSP games back in the day. Didn't have an SD card so I had to put it in standby for months
willow quiver
btw the japanese pokemon red is different to the one of the rest from the world
sleek gorge
Oh right
willow quiver
blue would be the same
since they made the improvements blue got in japan to the other versions
sleek gorge
I see
willow quiver
current peak is still gen 5.2
sleek gorge
It's by far my favourite
sleek gorge
Might get omega Ruby or alpha sapphire or something
willow quiver
legit the best one imo
willow quiver
even has a decent post game
sleek gorge
Yeah I heard B+W were very good. Only played them a wee bit. I was emulating then on my phone and the DS controller were not very intuitive so I gave up
bronze niche
hollow sphinx
They copied the metriod HUD
ripe tendon
has apex legends been running like complete ass for anybody else lately?
orchid prism
Lately? No. Stutters since release? Yes
ripe tendon
I never had much issue with it but now it's almost unplayable on low
I guess it could be part of my OC but nothing else acts this way
tame mural
Haven't played it recently but for me it has always been one of the best-running AAA games I've played, up there with Overwatch.
willow quiver
I'm sure cs go has more time and money put into it
ripe tendon
if it taxes more than AC, Witcher and div 2 then shame on respawn
doesn't really matter though since teammates are the biggest performance issue
lone oasis
i use edge to watch netflix (it's the only thing open), but i have to close it, otherwise APEX stutters like ass
willow quiver
At that point why not the app
bleak pike
The hell
orchid prism
You're mining Minecoin ๐
hollow sphinx
XD
small comet
@bleak pike this is hell https://discordjs.moe/JโUkโญuโญ๏ธ.png
hollow sphinx
@dense pond some mods you can only find there
because their creators died
never had a issue that a mod was fake
well
that
yeah
bleak pike
Overwatch is releasing "the workshop" which allows people to make their own game modes and heroes via scripting
Mhmm
Well
You can't make your own hero on tf2
mod
fringe salmon
yea but you can only use it in custom games, not like custom huds in tf2 that you can use etc.
I would constantly rage at the ui lobby telling me "not enough tanks" or so as a
"tip" for the team comp with no setting to remove that
they said they would allow custom ui's when ow came out, but it would be later down the road, now I dont see it ever happen
just let me WoW my ui 
though I dont even care anymore tbh, uninstalled the game last week
tame mural
I think they only said they didn't want to allow multiple-monitor aspect ratios
ripe tendon
I haven't touched OW in like a year or something but I'm glad to see custom gamemodes and modding for that type of thing
Community: Make new game modes!
Jeff: Slowly pulls out reverse card๏ปฟ
lul
tame mural
Wait, how is this not a good decision
It's not about taking the workload off of their developers, it's about creating active community involvement and freshness that normal custom games didn't quite bring because of their restrictedness
Jeff has said that right now, most of their programming resources are going into engine and matchmaking work to completely overhaul their system and develop a role queue.
And later in the year, when Blizzard ups the staff dedicated to Overwatch (which is why the laid off staff dedicated to their unprofitable games), things will likely resemble in the short term what most people keep asking them about
willow quiver
tbh I think they are depseratley trying to get people back in the game
as the newcomers will also jump off at some point
tame mural
I mean, the numbers are good. The game isn't dying
willow quiver
the numbers are good because of newcomers
the current meta is horrible
pros want to jump off but can't
so most of the players are either on the edge or casuals which switch the games they play every now and then
tame mural
Goats is only run half the time or less depending on the pro play scene, and the influx of new players is not a dismissible excuse for why a game's numbers are good, that's the entire point
willow quiver
I know
that is why it is so horrible for them
heroes like brigitte and hammond weren't received well by them
tame mural
By lower skill players?
willow quiver
ye
tame mural
Well, in the case of Brigitte, she was nerfed to the ground because of that and rightfully so. She's balanced now as a mostly low-utility jack of some trades, and that's in low rank meta. Her only strength is that she can win most melee 1v1s
willow quiver
or stuff like the hanzo rework
tame mural
Hammond was received well. Maybe Ashe is a more relevant choice
Although Ashe was also received well by lower-skill players, ironically
The Hanzo rework was pretty half and half, but from a game design perspective made a lot of sense considering how Scatter would only ever be used to instakill people
willow quiver
ye
unique bane
21:9 is kinda fucked, less fov than 16:9
fading spade
That's why there is an fov slider in most games
unique bane
? whats that gotta do with anything
fading spade
Give you more fov
unique bane
.. 21:9 should have more fov than 16:9 but it has less in overwatch
bu ya overwatch is doing too many class reworks imo
fading spade
Some games crop the game to make it fill 21:9
Most games actually scale it
Overwatch crops I guess
bleak pike
Overwatch felt like it was to much of an advantage
fringe salmon
It was supposed to be my replacement for TF2 and I had hopes that got utterly destroyed 
wheat kraken
I wanted to see it crash and burn
It felt like it tried to replace gameplay with fan fair (fare? Fuck it). I had a few friends who became so overly obsessed with it that it was sickening and I refused to pay the 40$ or whatever tax to basically play TF2 with different characters.
The only thing I liked that came from it was some artwork and the fact 76 was born in basically my backyard because why would anyone choose Indiana of all states to base a character out of.
hollow sphinx
ft2
hushed iris
canโt lose a game if you canโt play the game 
hollow sphinx
ofc its made by Bethesda XD
i didnt even get to play the game
it crashed immediately after the opening intro
orchid prism
bleak pike
orchid prism
I don't see how accepting money is being childish ๐
willow quiver
it's likely a very good deal on their end
orchid prism
Right - So you don't play anything Ubi or EA makes either ๐
bleak pike
At least steam games from Ubisoft you don't need to install uplay tbh
orchid prism
And you need a Ubi account etc.
bleak pike
Pretty sure it uses a mini launcher to launch the game then closes with the game
willow quiver
nope
bleak pike
Welp
orchid prism
It creates a Ubi account. Pedantism ๐
willow quiver
even shows ads when closing the game
willow quiver
I'd undertstand if it was optional and for the uplay rewards
at least the customer doesn't have to pay transaction fees and VAT
"12% cut"
they have nothing over them
epic is likely the worst of the bunch
and a lying piece of shit at that
and making games more expenisve so they get a bigger cut
if it's not selling data they have servers in china
which is illegal in europe to use for customer data
they lied about their 12%
orchid prism
Please include Google, Facebook et cetera and so on to any "customer data" outrage please.
willow quiver
casue that doesn't include vat and transaction fees
orchid prism
If it plugs into the internet, it's stealing your data ๐
fringe salmon
where did they lie about the 12%
willow quiver
they take transaction fees and vat extra
althjough the additional vat is illegal in germany
so germans pay less
fringe salmon
1/8 payment options have a fee, and there is no hidden VAT
willow quiver
they almost take more when they don't pay vat
like i said, illegal in germany
if they'd do it here they would get sued instantly
bleak pike
fringe salmon
so you want to shut down everything in america for example? like it's normal to not have VAT in the displayed prices everywhere
bleak pike
Comments are just steam steam steam steam
willow quiver
does steam include vat in orices?
or hides them until you look at how much you paid with your debit card?
fringe salmon
idk
fringe salmon
and even if, you said they lied about the 12%, hiding VAT has nothing to do witht he 12% cut
orchid prism
Never had that issue. VAT is calculated during checkout.
fringe salmon
thats not up to them its up to the devs/publisher
willow quiver
so you pay 60โฌ+vat or just 60โฌ like on steam?
fringe salmon
and world war z is 35 instead of 40 everywhere
orchid prism
What - It is literally up to the platform operator ๐
willow quiver
^
trim rock
You pay the indicated price, at least in Europa
I think Murica likes to do the surprise VAT
orchid prism
I'll let you know when I use Linux for gaming ๐
fading spade
At least they care anough about Linux to spend so much time and effort to make proton
and steam play and natively build it into steam
and all their games run on linux
willow quiver
ik
but claiming that origin wasn't terrible at launch is a lie
they actively scanned your pc and gave out bans if they found stuff they didn't like
everything else is bblaming valve for stuff every kind of drm does
or petty remarks
then they also hide that every artist get's around 50k US$ for every accepted item
just that valve takes more
fringe salmon
every accepted item for what?
willow quiver
cs go
willow quiver
and they also forget to mention that valve is a company
they aren't forced to give out 25% of dota earns as a pricepool
they still do it
trim rock
Origin used to be halfway decent then they remade it as a webshitapp and it's been shit since then
fringe salmon
if we bring valve into it we need to bring in epic for unreal, where they just announced a 100million grant for ue4 devs etc.
willow quiver
I totaly know that steam is far from perfect and needs competition
but epic is garbage
fortnite
fading spade
Does Battlefield One need to be launched from a web browser like bf4 had to be?
fading spade
but when I had that game you had to launch mulitplayer from the web browser
i tihnk single player too but idk
willow quiver
was changed after some time
trim rock
EGS runs on UE4(!) running a Chromium webview
trim rock
The fact that it's really nasty seeing a simple 2D interface not render at 60FPS?
willow quiver
if it is coded horribly even though it is not even a year on the market it should say something about it
steam likely is spaghetti code af, but it's also old af
fringe salmon
its like that because its not fresh but rather built into the epic launcher which used to be for their games and unreal only
willow quiver
and ue4 to run a chromium application is just retarded
fringe salmon
and I barely see any difference in cpu usage when using egs or steam
willow quiver
it's still stupid
fringe salmon
okay but if it makes no difference what does it matter?
fringe salmon
okay so it's poor practice but it doesnt harm you, so why does it matter
willow quiver
nah
i'd use it if it wasn't for all those other points
i just found it curious that someone would do that
fringe salmon
why does it matter if its a webapp if it doesnt slow your pc, hog ram etc.
fringe salmon
sure, but it still doesnt matter, does it?
fringe salmon
but it wouldn't matter for you in regards to using steam if it makes no performance issues or anything like that right?
willow quiver
well, hopefully not
not for the general customer
and @dense pond accept that liokely 90% of programms will be webapps
fringe salmon
the only reason a company cares about consumer, is because it some way gives them more money
so you'd rather see new games start at 70/80 bucks instead of 60 soon, but not deal wtih competition that affects you? for example
willow quiver
but epic didn't make anything cheaper for me
and as soon as fortnite isn't popular anymore epic can't pay for exclusive deals
if their games don't sell their launcher can't keep up
fringe salmon
people would not use it even if it would be better in every aspect
fringe salmon
they already said they wont
willow quiver
if their stuff doesn't sell enough
bleak pike
I've literally avoided buying satisfactory cos it's on the epic store
Call me whatever you want XD
fringe salmon
sure the metro deal got messy, I'm certain multiple people fucked up something there
willow quiver
anno 1800
bleak pike
I do and always hate exclusivities in any shape or form
willow quiver
and exclusives are garbage for the customer
not getting bl3 until it launches on another platform
obsidian got fucked by their previous publisher
but I rather get that on the windows store
hushed iris
lol we're doing this again? the way i see it: games get listed on steam, gain a lot of... erm, steam... and then epic swoops in offering more money and everything gets pulled because exclusive
fuck that shit
fuck all of it
fringe salmon
nah the deals are made before that
hushed iris
they most definitely are not
bleak pike
They are not
hushed iris
and if they are, then they should be banned from steam forever
willow quiver
most obsidian emloyees knew it as soon as the general public
only their ceo may have known it before
bleak pike
Satisfactory for example has been in development for 2 years and first teaser and trailer was and always was steam
Same with streams etc
fringe salmon
alright, sure, based on what source telling you they are made after?
yea no shit it has steam in it if epic store wasn't a thing back then
willow quiver
and the metro page was worked on until the official announcement
bleak pike
The point is they constantly mentioned coming to steam
It was also on steam and had to use it for alpha
They clearly bought exclusivity after
orchid prism
willow quiver
nice mansen
willow quiver
you are superior for supporting scummy business practices
how could I have not noticed
orchid prism
I'm a simple man. The game is available on my platforn (PC), so I get it.
willow quiver
inb4, simple man gets scammed because stores found out they can all fuck over their customers
orchid prism
Linux? What's that? You mean those .1% of potential customers?
There's been SO much data on how few Linux people there are, that I can't even take the argument serious.
orchid prism
I don't need a Console. I have a PC ๐
bleak pike
Alright let's not let this get heated
willow quiver
yea but what about rdr2 or persona 5
hushed iris
yes because everyone loves having multiple game storefronts to purchase through, with different TOS, different security policies (or lack of, maybe), feature sets, etc
orchid prism
Two games I shall never play, since I cba settling for console quality.
bleak pike
God Of War was honestly worth it ๐
willow quiver
the only thing mansen ever contributed to these discussions was how he was too stupid to see that epic isn't doing anything for customers
hushed iris
lawd jesus calm down @willow quiver
orchid prism
Here's the secret, Yama. I don't care if they aren't contributing.
willow quiver
yea, but I get blamed for replying
orchid prism
The game I want is being developed on my platform of choice. I don't care if it's on Epic, Steam or Dosbox.
bleak pike
That's fine
orchid prism
I also don't care that Epic doesn't have reviews or forums - But that's because I loathe both of those on Steam ๐
bleak pike
Mansen is happy leave it at that
hushed iris
you can loathe something without it being a feature you'd leave the platform for
fyi
orchid prism
Those poor few. Game devs consistently lose money on catering to them.
willow quiver
you don't have to
hushed iris
i have when i had a bulldozer processor
bleak pike
Just saying haha
hushed iris
the fx-8150 couldnt run portal for a month
willow quiver
removing reviews is against customers
and was a big selling point for publishers
so people would buy bad games
it was legit the reason
bleak pike
Reviews are a huge issue for sure not being on epic
hushed iris
@dense pond no shit
fringe salmon
reviews are planned to be on the store btw
hushed iris
literally talking about 2011 here
fringe salmon
it's on their roadmap
willow quiver
"they are planned"
fringe salmon
just putting that info out here
willow quiver
it's like removing the vote function on youtube videos because they are unpoopular
it doesn't affect you
but the intention is anti consumer
bleak pike
They kinda did XD
orchid prism
Considering how badly reviews work on Steam, I don't see why any other platform should want them ๐
bleak pike
The original YouTube rating haha
hushed iris
wut
bleak pike
He said 1%
orchid prism
Oh no... a whole .012% difference ๐
hushed iris
steam reviews work amazingly well, save for a few controversial titles
orchid prism
Steam reviews don't work - At all.
orchid prism
Pick a random game and scroll through random reviews and see the utterly hilariously bs reasons give for positive and negative reviews.
hushed iris
yeah and oh, i dont know, that's called statistical noise?
willow quiver
the intention was still anti consumer
orchid prism
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
willow quiver
tim sweeney also said that publsihers make the decision where to buy, should explain ther intention
hushed iris
haha ok man, this isnt rotten tomatoes
hushed iris
nope it isnt, but it's still the best choice we all have
orchid prism
debatable
hushed iris
yeah they did, but i was assuming he didnt know that or refused to acknowledge ๐
trim rock
Yes just because some people aren't very good at reviewing let's just get rid of that system entirely
bleak pike
I like the steam review system, I tend to avoid games that are mixed tbh
orchid prism
Yes, NGH ๐
bleak pike
And I read most of the reviews even trolls
sleek gorge
i'll throw my two cents in, i will not ever buy from epic in it's current state, nor with their planned updates
orchid prism
If you can't use two sentences to even TRY to explain why you love or hate a game, you might as well just shut up ๐
willow quiver
"but Idon't use it so it is useless for everybody" 10/10 argument
sleek gorge
that's it
hushed iris
yeah it doesnt take more than 1 or 2 mins to look through the reviews and make a decision for YOURSELF
bleak pike
Chill
willow quiver
if you look at a gmae with mixed reviews you wonder why it has those though
bleak pike
Everyone just chill
orchid prism
"You just need to ignore the reviews that don't matter" (except they matter)
You're entitled to that opinion - I don't have to share it ๐
hushed iris
strawman right there
hushed iris
you are giving non sensical reasons for not liking the review system/saying it doesnt work
whereas
we're saying
read reviews, form your own opinion
orchid prism
That's not what I said though.
hushed iris
how can it NOT work
orchid prism
I pointed out that a bulk of reviews don't have any reasoning for their opinion, which makes it a flawed system. Steam doesn't filter out "bad" reviews, no matter positive or negative. It just gives you a rough average.
trim rock
Well the antireviewbomb system is bit flawed, e.g. AC Unity got a lot of positive reviews recently due to it being free, and that's not marked as a review bomb
orchid prism
trim rock
"No one has rated this review as helpful yet"
hushed iris
^
orchid prism
Doesn't matter - It's still counted.
willow quiver
it'S not about the content of the reviews
hushed iris
................................
willow quiver
you don't get my point
orchid prism
99% of potential customers only see one thing when browsing for games.
hushed iris
and your proof is... where?
willow quiver
if you look at a game and see mixed reviews you wonder why it has it
hushed iris
^
orchid prism
facepalm
hushed iris
if i look at a game with "mixed" reviews, i'm going to be a tad more critical reading through different people's pros and cons
willow quiver
"better option would be to buy it and get scammed"
orchid prism
And you're going to just buy a game with positive reviews? Overwhelmingly positive? Even though that might be fanboyism covering for actual issues?
orchid prism
trim rock
Although in my experience I've found those steamy reviews to be a very mixed bag, there are good reviews there and there are memers, but overall I think it's a net positive thing to have as it's a good way of judging how people feel about a game in general
hushed iris
i, myself, am perfectly fine with your willingness to simply throw money at a game with no reviews because it's on the epic store
that's fine
trim rock
Some people misusing a system does not warrant removing it entirely, else almost everything would be axed
hushed iris
but i'd rather have the numbers of people that are buying/trying games on steam behind the reviews
because at least there's a sample size that's worth a shit
orchid prism
Given the ratio of bad reviews to (remotely) constructive ones, I wouldn't clal it "some people"
hushed iris
basically the only people buying games on EGS are those that either HAD to have a game or drank the fucking koolaid
so you're gonna get like nothing but 5's on EGS
willow quiver
did I ever say to solely base your buys on reviews?
hushed iris
which is real fucking useful
orchid prism
Here's another fun fact.
People overwhelmingly only leave reviews, because they want to complain. So if it's basically just a "yes/no" system anyhow, why bother, since the ratios are inherently skewed.
willow quiver
and if you think they are so bad then just ignore them
orchid prism
If you don't like how the system works, just ignore it
I'd rather point out its flaws.
willow quiver
they are at least better than NO reviews at all in launcher
orchid prism
We'll never agree on that.
willow quiver
much better system I must say
runic skiff
if you're pointing out the flaws then maybe suggest a solution? you may have but I cant be assed to scroll up to where this shitstorm began
orchid prism
I did though.
willow quiver
solution to bad features is to cut them
hushed iris
why would you prefer no reviews over the minor inconvenience of reading a few reviews to weed out the occasional troll
willow quiver
until you are left with nothing but a bare store
hushed iris
that's what i dont understand
runic skiff
reviews have helped me make purchasing decisions before
willow quiver
your opinion is invalid though
orchid prism
REAL reviews have done so for me as well. Steam reviews.... not so much.
hushed iris
...
willow quiver
so cut the steam feature
runic skiff
just read them, dont just look at the overall average
orchid prism
No - My opinion is never invalid. You are welcome to your own though ๐
willow quiver
I meant harry
orchid prism
Most of them aren't reviews.
willow quiver
no, they are fake
orchid prism
"No" is not a review. It is useless.
hushed iris
SO IGNORE AND MOVE ON
willow quiver
luckily meta critic etc only have good ones 
hushed iris
how fucking hard is that
willow quiver
or trust ign
orchid prism
I can't even brpc ๐
hushed iris
"i hate this one useless review, therefore all other reviews are useless"
thats you rn
orchid prism
More like "I hate 90% of these useless reviews, and they are majorly affecting the metascore"
hushed iris
except that's not even close to the reality
orchid prism
Yes... yes it is ๐
hushed iris
but we're done here, obviously
orchid prism
Feel free to scroll through a random game and start counting.
willow quiver
where do you get reviews?
orchid prism
Set the bar low - Very low.
trim rock
I've been doing that just now, usually lengthy decent looking reviews are right there at the top so far however
willow quiver
sometimes they pop up
but don't make a big affect on total score
and "recent reviews" also is nice
trim rock
And in my experience there are just as many "Yes" reviews as there are "No" reviews, unless game is really really good or really really bad
orchid prism
And those are equally useless.
willow quiver
where do yo uget your reviews then?
orchid prism
I never said NEGATIVE reviews were bad. I wasn't taking sides ๐
hushed iris
it's almost as if... they cancel each other out
trim rock
Exactly canceling them out is my point
hushed iris
mansen you need to take a statistics class
to understand why the reviews you are calling useless (but still majorly affecting the score? lol) are indeed useless
hushed iris
i think what you're also failing to account for is that there is literally no system in place for the reviews to be full fledged articles. they're obviously going to be condensed because of the format they're in (which is text, and only text)
i'm calm AF boi
orchid prism
fringe salmon
in the end we should all just hope that steam just lowers their cut so epic/whoever is forced to offer much more than better cuts
orchid prism
Anyhoo - I have games to play.
willow quiver
runic skiff
god dont base them on games journalists opinions
orchid prism
I take offense to that, Harry ๐
willow quiver
btw
runic skiff
good
willow quiver
where do you get your reviews mansen
I konw I asked the third time already but you didn't asnwer
orchid prism
From fellow reviewers ahead of release - Yes I am incredibly entitled.
orchid prism
I read reviews once the games are released, or buy them on a hunch. Old games aren't exactly pricy (See GOG)
Actual reviews mind you.
willow quiver
actual reviews by who?
orchid prism
People who spend more than ten seconds rolling their faces across their keyboard. Sometimes written articles, sometimes video reviews. Depends on the game.
willow quiver
games journalists are often stupid and don't manage to beat the cuphead tutorial
orchid prism
Who's generalizing now ๐
willow quiver
well
they were the ones for reviewer modes etc
and claimed that games were too hard
runic skiff
games journalists have destroyed their credibility to a point where they shouldn't even exist
willow quiver
at least all big magazines asked for that
orchid prism
I don't recall saying any one person has the perfect answer, and I often disagree with other journalists.
Reviews are inherently subjective with bits of objective analysis.
willow quiver
not saying all reviwers do that
but many have little to no idea what they are doing
orchid prism
You try fitting +60 hours of gameplay and analysis into a game in a couple of days before release.
Can't really blame reviewers for not having a chance to actually experience a game.
runic skiff
then play them longer
willow quiver
at least I have an interest in games and didn'T take the job becasue the previous magazine kicked me out
runic skiff
give impressions before release then an ACTUAL review once uve actually fucking played it
orchid prism
Sure - Let me to stop time, Harry ๐
runic skiff
otherwise ur review is worthless anyway
orchid prism
See previous point about publishers trying to avoid that.
As a reviewer you are lucky beyond belief to have even a full working week to look at a game.
hollow sphinx
@vital wyvern despite the garbage that valve is pulling...its still the best and only option we have
that makeas things easy and convinient to mannage
orchid prism
hollow sphinx
yes
we have gog now
so you can actualy buy and own games
but at the end of the day....people would rather spend $15 on a $60 game...and not give a shit about the devs
me included
i saved a bunch by buying games on steam
even if i dont own them
i didnt look into the future when i bought them
fringe salmon
wait how does you owning the game/steam restricting acess play into caring about devs?
hollow sphinx
but if i had the choice and the knowlede....i would still go with steam since its a lower cost...and later in life i probavbly will not play the games....and the games will be gone so i can just torrent them to relive the old days
@fringe salmon think about it
steam takes allot of revenue
is it 33 %?
fringe salmon
30%
fringe salmon
you know gog also takes 30%?
willow quiver
itch.io takes less
no fixed number, the publisher can adjust it, don't know the exact limits
fringe salmon
its also indie games only
willow quiver
well
fringe salmon
or at least it seems like it
bleak pike
We all calmed down now?
hollow sphinx
the whole epic games store exclusive hoard things.....idk
its....not.....whats the word...
healthy? fair? friendly?
wheat kraken
holy shit we're talking about the epic store
time to hop in at the very end and re-light the fuse
orchid prism
bleak pike
Noo
orchid prism
ripe tendon
More epic talk! https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1121218551342350336
Twitter
ripe tendon
crunch at a place that size isn't uncommon though
shitty but pretty common
Not having days off is shit but I can't sympathize for a 70 hr work week really
it's shit and I get that but a lot of people work that to get by
but no days off a week is total bullshit
if I wanted to do game dev at a AAA company I would expect 70 hrs somewhat regularly I think
and that's why I'd never do it lol
I wouldn't necessarily want to I'd just be prepared for that
that's true but if I were that person and didn't want that I'd find something else
esp if they're getting good overtime pay I'd save up to fall on that if need be
It's one of those shitty/rewarding careers with that bs that comes along with it
You wanna be a part of this big thing we're doing? Here's what it requires
Thats how I know my wife is batshit crazy. A) she married me and B) she's still doing residency and hasn't quit lol
yeah there should definitely be some preparations for that shit
runic skiff
Crunch is a stain on the games industry
Especially when it goes unpayed which majority times does
You can always expect some overtime, but the shit thats expected from you in some studios, the late Telltale Games being a pretty bad offender
bleak pike
They really need to unionise
hollow sphinx
cemu refuses to recognize the wooting xinput device as a controller
but recognizes the direct input device just fine
restarting xinput had no effect
unfortunately
sleek gorge
I mean they should have known this would happen
They definitely don't deserve abuse, but still
willow quiver
they are being shitheads about the whole situation though
bleak pike
sleek gorge
Haven't really followed it too much tbh
willow quiver
and provoke people t osay what they say
bleak pike
It's rather funny
No company should do this.... hell there's been cases of games like we happy few were the CEO literally commented on the Reddit crack watch release saying we understand why some torrent the game bla bla
If you enjoy please consider buying
orchid prism
I love Jace (their social media guy). He doesn't take crap, and isn't afraid to push the limit. And he loves Runescape
๐
orchid prism
(Said echo guy, guy guy)
gaunt lance
yes
trim rock
weebs smh
small comet
this is how i spend time at work
hollow sphinx
Which one's worse @trim rock
trim rock
Dunno
bleak pike
๐
fading spade
Oh....ffs Amazon
small comet
@fading spade btw did u check it out or not?
fading spade
Nu
unique bane
whats the best fighting game on pc?
fading spade
I went to the village through the nether portal and this guy was right beside the portal
i dont understand their spawn mechanics
bleak pike
@fading spade play a mod pack
fading spade
nahh
orchid prism
Comrades! Be of not afraid of trains!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfeMH60FxzU
fading spade
ooooooo
keen urchin
I've been reading Friday Facts for 7h now x.x
ripe tendon
Any of you play A Way Out? Interesting interactive movie
trim rock
I have it's pretty alright
meager crown
ripe tendon
Fucking. Yes.
meager crown
No editing, I made this shit in-game
runic skiff
@fading spade "Hey you, you're finally awake"
fading spade
No
;&;
I gtg for a while :'(
willow quiver
i am soooo bored
ripe tendon
MARVEL ULTIMATE ALLIANCE 3: The Black Order will be available on July 19, 2019 exclusively for the Nintendo Switch. Four player drop-in/drop-out co-op will be supported throughout the campaign locally on the couch, locally via wireless play, and online (Nintendo Switch Online subscription will be required for the latter).
trim rock
And because of that if you upload a vid of your original gameplay with the song(s) used there you get a free copyright strike, good shit
fringe salmon
not if you play weeb songs that nobody dmcas 
orchid prism
That outcome is common logic, ngh, surely ๐ค
trim rock
Yes, so clearly the play here is for all those big shows to feature all games and then suddenly all gaming tubers get hit, brilliant
orchid prism
๐
Play any game like this on YT and expect to get claimed. Guitsry Hero, Band Hero, OSU
trim rock
Difference is that those tend to have actual copyrighted songs whereas Beat Saber is original
And videogame OSTs are in the weird area where you don't get screwed over for having them audible
Unless of course, a big company lays a claim on gameplay...
fringe salmon
well, majority of songs played on beat saber are custom maps from the community, usually featuring copyrighted stuff
upper creek
Time for some Mordhau
orchid prism
What Quin said.
trim rock
Well obviously user generated content can be all kinds of sketchy, kinda a given
Although surprisingly they actually did fix the content ID stuff! Guess some big corps do care
bleak pike
ripe tendon
I think Carrey has hit that point where he's done and just doing random bs
tardy echo
bleak pike
trim rock
What could possibly go wrong
orchid prism
๐
ripe tendon
You all gonna watch the BL3 gameplay stream?
fringe salmon
ofc 
orchid prism
Nope.
ripe tendon
will games ever get rid of melee lunge? It's one of the single most frustrating things to experience in a game for me besides shit performance
fringe salmon
uhhh hard to answer such a broad question
small comet
melee lunge?
ripe tendon
that shit games do where performing a melee attack auto-lunges towards a target when they're not that close to you
like halo's energy sword except it's not a part of the weapons kit
hollow sphinx
gonna try starcitizen
fringe salmon
so uh, often console aim assits leftover?
tidal abyss
Oh man I think Mordhau actually works with the Wooting. No issue so far, and gamepads are fully rebindable among the rest of the keybinds.
sleek gorge
More card tricks?
ripe tendon
Nah just pre-show host bs
fringe salmon
ye randy isn't around rn and after the prw show its streamers who play anyway
bleak pike
@ripe tendon link
Found it
Are they showing pre sequel etc lol
@ripe tendon can you tag me when it starts
fringe salmon
10 minutes
fringe salmon
6pm uk time was said for gameplay 
bleak pike
Oh it's part of the pre show lol
Is it bad I can't remember any of this story
Wtf
It's my fave game.... I need to replay them lol
Well one of
Halo is my fave ofc
His ego
hushed iris
got my index pre-ordered
fringe salmon
nice
hushed iris
cant wait for those knucks
ripe tendon
Ooo it's pretty
fringe salmon
UI is like a cleaned version of BL1 UI
ripe tendon
I just wonder if we'll see much changed
fringe salmon
the EULA
ripe tendon
Torgue pls
bleak pike
Something is off
fringe salmon
sliding 
ripe tendon
I like slide and mantle
fringe salmon
rip
bleak pike
For some reason if I stream on anything but my computer it's delayed
fringe salmon
bleak pike
It's a love hate relationship
fringe salmon
you can break cover? YES
ripe tendon
Makes me think of brink with the sliding
bleak pike
The gore is nice
fringe salmon
im sold
bleak pike
But epic
fringe salmon
I dont care
ripe tendon
^
fringe salmon
I already had an account before epic store launched
so it makes 0 difference to me
ripe tendon
And paypal so no issue for cc worry
small comet
shit true
hm i can still cancel both orders
then i can play the father son game
on ps4
willow quiver
although I want m+kb support in bl3
ripe tendon
Ground pound lol
willow quiver
I am 100% not fine with controller
small comet
guess imma cancel my order get a ps4 pro bl3 and BOI
fringe salmon
ok enough gameplay, this got me hyped 
sleek gorge
Whats BOI
ripe tendon
At least the player has a decent awareness to make the fight interesting
sleek gorge
๐ค
ripe tendon
Kratos tells Boy all the time
small comet
@sleek gorge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pobwy_es2uc
ripe tendon
Yells*
bleak pike
I loved god of war tho
small comet
thats why im changing to ps4
bleak pike
Also spoilers In that video
small comet
so i can play boi and bl3
fringe salmon
lets not get into the epic topik again pls, maybe when something new happens but not again already
bleak pike
Also I own a PS4 and still won't get bl3 on it