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#🎮│game
willow quiver
sleek gorge
Lesion might be 2 actually, it's been a while
fading spade
cause single player games dont exist anymore 😢
willow quiver
I can play single player games perfectly fine with steam being down?
denuvo is the problem if there is any
fading spade
yeh
willow quiver
like I told you
almost always denuvo
not steam
you know steamworks can be disabled
easily
wait, nevermind, thought of something else
at least most games can be played though
not like with epic
willow quiver
don't know if I have any of the non working games installed
when checking through my list I connected again
ripe tendon
rip steam
lone oasis
ror2?
small comet
ror?
lone oasis
risk of rain?
small comet
nope whats that
lone oasis
can i buy it on the discord store?
small comet
looks shit ngl
willow quiver
at least the dev really pushed it for that plattform
lone oasis
@willow quiver i wasn't serious at all
willow quiver
ror 2 is REALLY good
small comet
both games look shit
willow quiver
my main gripe with the game is that I think "just another quick round" and then spend the next 1-2 hours in one round
and I did it every day since I owned it
small comet
thing is
would u want people to be able to steal anything just by copying it
sure drm went too far already
a product key would prob do the trick
willow quiver
there still are games with demos
fading spade
this is why I didnt go into a game dev course
software instead
o
yeh but at least you can play them offline if the game has offline features LIKE A BLOODY SINGLE PLAYER
keen urchin
What happened?
Did I miss anything?
Triggered?
Did anything change about being able to play games in offline mode?
willow quiver
you upplay it pretty hard
willow quiver
the only games I own that don't work offline are denuvo games
and denuvo games won't work regardless of steam and denuvo is always crap
yep
you'll ahve a better experience
obviously
I am ready to pay for games, that isn't the problem
if i'd pirate a game it's pretty much solely based on availability or horrible drm
small comet
i just want a demo tbh
like i download a cracked game
see if i like it
and then if i like it i buy it
otherwise i dont and delete it
willow quiver
steam even has a demo feature
small comet
aka refunds
willow quiver
don't think many devs use it after the automatic 2 hour refunds
small comet
ya but i still use it as a demo and usually never play more than an hour in cracked games cause well thats pmuch when u can tell if u like the mechanics etc
willow quiver
entirely on the devs
small comet
like i tried sekiro and i also bought it cause its 👌
?
i pirate all my linux distros
what are u talking about
no pirate
willow quiver
I always pay the asked price 
willow quiver
linux distros are almost always free
small comet
unless u want them to send u cds/dvds/floppies
small comet
whats no mans sky
serious
i cant recall a game with that title
so either it was shit
or was smth that over promised and never delivered
fading spade
I love euro truck ❤
small comet
wait was it that space game
fading spade
xbox controller support is bad tho
willow quiver
rings any bells?
small comet
with the "billions of unique planets"
ya that ugly shit
i recall
its still 60bucks
WHAT
102k recommendations
bleak pike
usually it goes down to 15 quid
fading spade
how tf
orchid prism
🤔
fringe salmon
bleak pike
this is my weirdest win yet... we could not find anyone anywhere.... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/234824336123363329/562753372608790568/6GSenjCyFd.jpg
fossil solar
Just run towards gun shots
I’m pretty sure I was playing with a hacker the other day
Dude ran from bunker to airbase in about 5 seconds
I called him out and then he never ran that fast again
Still pretty sure he was hacking
willow quiver
rip me
spanish youtube ad for bl3 was accidentally released
epic exclusive on 13th september
fringe salmon
That was leaked two days ago already?
willow quiver
well, it seemed like it
fringe salmon
Randy tweeted after the leak
willow quiver
now we have solid proof
oh
didn't see that
no
won't use it
and it won't stay
not like this
fringe salmon
I say it again, wait until September before arguing for/against epic for bl3, by then they will have needed to prove they can keep up with their roadmap and not have any issues
Also 5% unreal fee that goes away
willow quiver
would be funny if the egs gets taken off the eu
and nobody could play any game on it anymore
since the egs forces always online
fringe salmon
It doesn’t though?
fringe salmon
They adddd offline mode already?
fringe salmon
Still on my phone so I can’t check the trello rn
But they have it documented there
willow quiver
found it
middle of last month
doesn't matter to me
won't support forced exclusivity
i'd rather get a console just for that game
fringe salmon
Imo, people arguing they need more time because steam also needed years is stupid, but giving them less than a year to basically add everything is fine I‘d say
willow quiver
times are different now
and I don't have any benefit as a consumer besides exclusives
not even prices
nothing
what should
there is nothing
horrible security
less consumer rights than I should have
basically many things in the gsdpr
none of my rights are listed anywhere as they should be
nothing
fringe salmon
There are some valid reasons to be not wanting to use it(for now), wouldn’t say all are cherrypicked
willow quiver
I won't support exclusivity
the missing customer rights are the cherry on top
lax security also isn't nice
fringe salmon
So you will never buy a Origin/uplay exclusive either?
Or Microsoft store exclusive?
willow quiver
and when the launcher immerdiatley takes my steam data sends it to some unexplaiend server in chian it doesn't help
origin is shit
uplay isn't that nice
microsoft store at least offers otherwise only xbox titles
if publishers/devs make games exclusive to their own platform I understand it
fringe salmon
Waiiiit a Second, they did collect without consent, but did not actually send the data until you agreed, that’s something the reddit post missinteroreted when it was found
willow quiver
they don't pay others to solely publish on theirs without offering anything to the customer
yea
nice
until I used it
becasue I have to agree to use it
so, now what
run it in a seperate VM?
I know
the others don't do it so blatantly
and was that my main point?
do I really have to explain why forced exclusivity is bad?
fringe salmon
Okay I had this Argument with a friend yesterday, why is it okay if a dev makes it exclusive on their own platform, but not if they make it exclusive on someone else’s platform
willow quiver
a child can get that by itself
fringe salmon
I don’t see the difference there
willow quiver
because the devs doesn't have to pay any cut on their own plattform
fringe salmon
And that’s the reason they go onto epic aswell?
willow quiver
if epic pays 2k to get borderlands 3 they don't care about any consumer
fringe salmon
Except you don’t need to spend money o make your own launcher market it etc.
willow quiver
as the epic CEO said "this is a decision made by developers and publishers, not consumers"
are you serious
you know why a completely free market is bad?
fringe salmon
So you prefer a unchallenged Monopol over everything or what?
willow quiver
biggest part is that one party can abuse single points to sell their product
exactly
epic can abuse a monopoly on bl3 for example
to make me buy into their ecosystem
like apple but more intrusive
fringe salmon
Steam is the monopol... the exclusive deals are in their mind needed to be able to fight it...
willow quiver
steam doesn't force devs to one plattform though
fringe salmon
They even said they don’t plan on doing t forever but need it to get people from steam
willow quiver
it doesn't have a monopoly by paying publishers for exlusivity
if a publisher wants to release on epic and steam they can
at least from the standpoint of valve
fringe salmon
Why does it matter HOW it is achieved so much to you?
willow quiver
because if 2k wants to publish on epic and steam and they cost the same on both guess where a customer would buy
they'd have to lower thje prices on epic LIKE THEY PROMISED IT WOULD HAPPEN
guess what didn't happen
fringe salmon
They could also make it more expensive on steam
willow quiver
they could
I wouldn't mind personally
but why not
epic tried to sell their plattform with "it will be cheaper for the consumer"
prices didn't change yet
except for some free indie titles
currently the exclusivity is paid with fortnite money
fringe salmon
The firstly sold it to devs bc they make a shitton more bc less cut
willow quiver
because steam doesn't force it
I don't want to support it
and sure it is different
fringe salmon
Except they basically force it bc they are the monopol
willow quiver
yea
but did steam ever pay some publisher for that?
I'd have no problem with another big plattform
fringe salmon
No because steam never had to compete with something bigger????
willow quiver
if EGS was a similar size to steam I'D have no problem with it
at least if they didn't offer exclusivity
and would fix their dodgy customer rights
fringe salmon
You cant really be expecting them to START with as many things as steam in the first week, do you?
willow quiver
I don't
but I can expect them to not violate my rights
which they do
I currently have to fear that all my stuff on EGS could just suddenly disappear
what?
violate the gsdpr?
on multiple points?
fringe salmon
Not the gdpr but consumer rights
willow quiver
steam always offered those
they just are mostly automated now
you had to contact their customer service
fringe salmon
They started offering them like 2 or 3 years ago iirc?
fringe salmon
When you bought games you had to agree that you can’t return them anymore, which was against law back then
willow quiver
that amount of money is nothing btw
epic can get fiend for over 100 million $ for each gsdpr violation
the article is right
but what france asked was stupid
imagine reading a book completely and then just return it
the only difference france asked for was to remove the 2 hour restriction
which isn't valid imo
I can't find "2015" in the article
and a gsdpr is much more major than tweaking stupid refund policies
which would basically allow any user to never pay for anything
go buy a book every day and return it once you are finished
imagine how long it takes until you won't be allowed in the store anymore
fringe salmon
Okay but in your example you could go out of the door, realize you bought the wrong book after reading one page and still can’t return it
willow quiver
I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to refund
But if you can returnbit regardles how many hours you used it is stupid
If you don't like it after 2 hours contact the steam support
Always helped out from my experience
And the gsdpr is more important
It's about data security
keen urchin
I won't be using epic store because:
I dislike their business model
I don't want yet another library for 1 or 2 games
Missing features such as mod support and library sharing
fringe salmon
Mod support is planed to be there in ~5 months
keen urchin
Well, one step in the right direction
willow quiver
since the core audience is likely similar to us and will stick to steam
important decision though
keen urchin
Might reevaluate when it's a little more mature in a year or three
keen urchin
And they stop the exclusives shit
fringe salmon
thats the right idea imo, I only completely disagree with people saying, that epic should stop making a store instead of pushing them to improve it
user reviews is also in the "4-6 Months" bracket
keen urchin
Also needs the ability to buy keys in third party stores and trade games
fringe salmon
ehhhh idk about the first one tbh, I would love to see g2a die off
willow quiver
if their store gets better and is at the level of steam with feautres I have no problem using it
not currently though
fringe salmon
absolutely fair
but that's why I say you shouldnt make up your mind on buying/waiting/pirating BL3 now, when that is coming in 5 months
fringe salmon
Sure but its totally doable till bl3 releases
willow quiver
their complete license agreement has to change
their data deletion needs to be at least 12 times faster
fringe salmon
More game related, they did mention crossplay and epics online system allows that much easier than steamworks (doesnt support it as of now)
willow quiver
and they can't use servers in china for private data
problem with crossplay until now was missing cooperation with sony and microsoft
especially sony
fringe salmon
well microsoft is all in on it now
fringe salmon
see xbl on switch
willow quiver
they now that the windows store can't compare to steam though
fringe salmon
they dont need to, they have a big market with xbox and the store beeing connected helps out enough there
fringe salmon
could see arguments either way
especially with people not understanding how matchmaking works and calling people with mouse in a crossplatform game cheaters
willow quiver
well
if it is console only they pretty much are
but mouse and keyboard is definetley better
fringe salmon
nah every game that has crossplay has surprisingly much feedback of how thats unfair because you get paired with/against non console players
willow quiver
seperated lobbies are a must in that regard
fringe salmon
yet matchmaking does take care of it
willow quiver
ik
almost defeats the point of crossplay though
sicne only a few people use mosue and keyboard on console
fringe salmon
yea you just mix everyone into one pool
there should be no input device seperation
points of crossplay a) easier to play with friends who own the game on a different platform b) improve matchmaking by a shitload because you have more players
willow quiver
yep
the controller users are at the short end of the stick in mixed lobbies though
fringe salmon
only at the start
after a while matchmaking puts them on a level where they perform the same as someone with a mouse
willow quiver
?
fringe salmon
lets say if they were split, the conosle guy is in Gold 1
the pc player in silver 5
fringe salmon
on crossplay they are both gold 4
willow quiver
then it's not only worse but completely embarassing to play with a controller
fringe salmon
not really?
willow quiver
because consoles usually don't allow anything different
i'm not playing with controller
lot'S of people are
AND ask for crossplay
fringe salmon
point is, nobody is getting an advantage, but people dont understand that, so I can see them going with either option
willow quiver
imagine palying R6S on console
and they give crossplay
and now you downrank like hell
people with less knwoledge about a game can dominate you
fringe salmon
yea the issue is worse if you put it on an already existing game
but if its new nobody downranks
fringe salmon
option 2 defeats the benefits of crossplay
willow quiver
since there are people that switch input methods in a lobby
fringe salmon
its worse than not having it
willow quiver
not really
inb4
people with wooting go in controller lobbies
yeeeea
rip console users which decide to stay on controller
fringe salmon
dont make crossplay, or mix it fully only good options
bleak pike
Lol so beat saber people for months have been using custom songs and mods, devs haven't taken any action.... When people port the dlc however they throw bans out lmao
I get why but it's still hilarious.
This includes previous custom songs that are the same.
fringe salmon
port the dlc?
you mean they put the monstercat dlc on the custom song list or what?
fringe salmon
oh yeah thats stupid, why did people think that would be ok
bleak pike
Well people who had it before dlc came out it's hardly fair is it
fringe salmon
ehh, sure you could see it that way, but the obvious reason is that they cant support mods officially or they'd need to pay way too much licensing fees
fringe salmon
they wont, some of the devs also work on some of the mods
sometimes if there is a bigger update that might take longer for mods to adapt everything, they even offer the previoes version as a download via the steam beta feature so you can use mods
bleak pike
Well custom songs are working now so I'm going to play some
Today
*again
Update broke them I guess
fringe salmon
update broke it two days ago, but was fixed yesterday already
bleak pike
Man god rays are worse than ever for me now.
willow quiver
?
bleak pike
VR
willow quiver
oh
fringe salmon
great, recorded me playing this map on beatsaber, forgot to put it in 3rd person for the desktop window 
ripe tendon
Hyped for the Borderlands QQ!
trim rock
I wasn't planning on getting it anyway but meh
EGS simply means higher price and worse customer experience, at least right now
fringe salmon
higher price wut
trim rock
Because they don't seem too keen on having the fun key selling sites sell keys
fringe salmon
oh so by higher price you dont mean the store prices itself?
trim rock
Buying directly from the platform store is always the most expensive option and why do people think EGS is gonna be cheaper lol
bleak pike
I was just in VR Chat, some girl was an Elsa avatar, and my god it was amazing, anyway loads of us were talking and legit some new guy was like "Wait, i didn't think girls actually played this" and she went full on in depth on why girls rarely talk and stuff like to other girls playing video games "isn't cool".
i have always hated this.
She was talking about when she used to play cod, loads of boys just followed her.
thirst is real
willow quiver
BuT mEtRo Is 10$ ChEaPeR iN tHe Us
fringe salmon
I didnt say I think its cheaper there, but it can be cheaper and still make them more than on steam, its just not more expensive
and honestly, if G2A would die I'd be very happy lmao
willow quiver
"it can be cheaper" resulted in one game being cheaper in one region
trim rock
Never used G2A
bleak pike
G2A, i always avoid it.
willow quiver
And G2A is a scam
ripe tendon
Lotta stolen keys on g2a
fringe salmon
pirate a game before you get one on g2a, kinguin etc.
fringe salmon
so you want to support credit card theft? stolen keys?
willow quiver
At least if the release was some time ago
Don't have a credit card, would pay iwth paypal anyways
bleak pike
gray market
ripe tendon
I like the EGS being a justification for pirating 😂
fringe salmon
I'm not talking about cour card beeing stolen...
ripe tendon
Those are my fav comments on threads
willow quiver
And I don't use g2a because of credit card theft
fringe salmon
g2a game codes are bought with stolen cards
willow quiver
@ripe tendon pirating for not getting you data stolen and sent to china?
Pirating because you don't support the scummy methods they use to push their plattform?
Pirating because the plattform only is focused on the publisher, and not the customer
ripe tendon
Yes, all of those. Justify it however you feel is appropriate
willow quiver
I won't pirate bl3
I won't pirate any other game
I also won't support a store which pays for exclusivity
Or a store which doesn't allow user reviews because it could reduce sales
fringe salmon
its more that they dont have reviews yet because they havent implemented them
not like they said they removed/dont want them...
ripe tendon
Steam reviews are pretty useless considering the internet let's be honest.
Esp since they just now got around to dealing with review bombing
willow quiver
They had no reviews as a positive when launching their plattform
And they aren't useless
And that they aren't there proves that epic currently doesn't care what the customer wants, as long as they have to buy their games there
fringe salmon
or they just see other things to be more important, so they want to implement them first?
willow quiver
Like I said
They don't have user reviews to increase sales
The epic CEO legit said, that where people buy is a decision made by publishers nor consumers
fringe salmon
iirc he said they should be the ones deciding yes. but I dont see how that is an arguement for not having user reviews? seems a bit streched to me
willow quiver
user reviews easily show if a game is bad/problematic
fringe salmon
so does a 5 second google search
willow quiver
not everybody does that
actually a lot of people don't do that
removes many potential buyers from those products
fringe salmon
Oh aparrently BL3 is optimized for AMD cpu and gpus, funny since they were working with NVIDIA for physX and so lol
willow quiver
ok?
uhh
good for me I guess
doesn't mean shit btw
BFV has ray tracing
but runs extremely well on vega
so good that vega actualyl almost outperforms higher tiered nvidia cards
small comet
in gaming maybe
willow quiver
in BFV
lone oasis
play a game of apex before work is over, get great area with great loot and nobody else, fully kitted
game crashes
fringe salmon
gg
bleak pike
fucking horrifying
trim rock
Now I want to play some Hardline that mode was pretty fun
keen urchin
@fringe salmon Where did you read about it being optimised for AMD hardware?
fringe salmon
uhh let me see where it was
but I dont see a link to it, but im also not looking through twitter and such now, way too many posts to find something
@keen urchin
orchid prism
😂
keen urchin
Yeah
Too bad
I didn't play the other parts until well after release either
It's not an online game where you fall behind
So, meh
small comet
i played em all on release
keen urchin
Discord > EGS
fringe salmon
discord store already died
small comet
its so sad that gb basically shot themselves in the foot with the epic thing
bleak pike
F
small comet
but ya guess imma own an xbox soon
willow quiver
or that
bleak pike
or just crack it
and buy it when steam version comes out
it will be LAN most likely anyway
willow quiver
yep
willow quiver
I hope they won't use horrible drm
keen urchin
Has there been any DRM that wasn't cracked in days ever?
fringe salmon
they might use something for Multiplayer, for crossplay
bleak pike
The issue is when Denuvo release a new version
thats why it takes time to crack again
usually games come with the same version for a few months
fringe salmon
or well, not drm directly, but something doing similar by needing it for network
keen urchin
How long did they take for the last one?
bleak pike
few months
bleak pike
Yes
willow quiver
uwp is intrusive af
bleak pike
But not because its protection but because of how it works.
willow quiver
they basically use windows itself as a drm
bleak pike
Well it doesn't run like a normal program in general.
its similar to how xbox runs games
tacit rose
Been scanning through the borderlands discord, and people keep posting this XD https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510967883153670165/555953391600402443/1552611987486.png
ripe tendon
reads like an angry 12 year old wrote it
fringe salmon
nah looks like someone on 4chan who knows enough to find true things but then dont know everything
ripe tendon
4chan so definitely a 12 yr old then
fringe salmon
true haha
ripe tendon
maybe mentally but still 12
I wish somebody would just ask me to buy my info though. I'd gladly sell it without the need to sneak around
tacit rose
Well, borderlands is the tipping point, time to get a Xbox, I ain't giving epic anything
bleak pike
50 quid
fringe salmon
...normal AAA game price since years?
stoic hill
gotta side with quintosh there
bleak pike
thats $65
fuck me
since its epic there will most likely be no keys too
i haven't paid that much in yearssssss
usually games are like 40 quid
here
stoic hill
last time i paid more than 30 bucks for a game was fallout 76 and that was a mistake
tacit rose
@bleak pike I'll be spending like £400 for just borderlands XD
fringe salmon
what release AAA game is 40 bucks for you on release date O.o
tacit rose
If I'm going to do this, might as well do it properly
stoic hill
quid
bleak pike
Why waste so much for one game?
fringe salmon
yes 40 quid is still less than 50 euros
tacit rose
@bleak pike I don't buy tech secondhand, unless it's server stuff
stoic hill
i bought my gpu secondhand
bleak pike
the only second hand item i own
stoic hill
and my entire hifi stack
stoic hill
and my monitor and speakers
ripe tendon
refurbished and used pc parts ftw.
ripe tendon
mining 1080 ti for me
stoic hill
i bought my 1080 ti from a really reputable seller
ripe tendon
I couldnt pass on 465 usd
stoic hill
550 euros for mine but it's a very good model
bleak pike
Spending money for the sake of having a console brand new this late is retarded
tacit rose
@bleak pike there will be a new one soon
bleak pike
Exactly why im saying dont waste money
tacit rose
I aint buying it now XD jeeze, I have months until BL3 is out
fringe salmon
I uploaded it to gdrive and that processed the video before youtube even started 
thats what I'm currently trying to do a bit better than what I managed here @bleak pike https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n7idrYxW1xl-dqVKeEHxpJghWzYKv8GU/view
bleak pike
robot
lone oasis
@ripe tendon i also bought a mining 1080TI for 450 euros 😄
bleak pike
🦀 🦀 APEX LEGENDS STATS ARE GONE 🦀 🦀
ripe tendon
woot mining GPUs!
also fuck stats in Apex. We had some douchenozzle the other day say "don't say ew I saw your banners" like he was hot shit then proceed to get shit on all game
lone oasis
there go my 3 legendary legends skins and my 2 legendary gun skins 😢
trim rock
Added the ability to party up with the last squad you played with. After the match you will see buttons in the lobby that display the last two people you played with and can invite them to your squad.
Well guess I don't need to use the LFG thing then ecksdee
lone oasis
i still can't get into the game though
toxic hill
They're supposed to fix all the stats and skins but IDK how you push a change like that
gaunt lance
Callum you know how my forza didnt start out of nowhere
Yeah now it out of nowhere starts again
What the fuck is it with this game that makes it so unreliable
Probably their shit servers tbh
trim rock
Maybe it's a weird timed task that fixes it
Because in the past I've had some UWP games stop launching and the fix would be to set the system time forward a week then back
fossil solar
On the other hand some people got skins for the unreleased L star
bleak pike
Ye
bleak pike
XD on the news they were on about bafta gaming seared
small comet
the fuck is a bafta
bleak pike
Couldn't help but laugh when he said the only games I play is solatire! These games are silly on the TV
It's an awards ceremony in the UK
fringe salmon
Meanwhile Prince Harry wants to stop Fortnite because it makes children addicted, according to his expert opinion
bleak pike
It does tho tbh
bleak pike
Please
willow quiver
would be funny af
fringe salmon
Brexit avoided by banning Fortnite, would make some great headlines
orchid prism
😂
willow quiver
imagine the EU being like "well if you help us ban fortnite you can stay in"
small comet
so
the hd remaster update stuffs for bl pre and bl2
broke controller and mouse support
can only use either of the 2 now
small comet
idk it worked
willow quiver
it's just ue
small comet
it then updated
and not just are all my settings for the graphics fucked
the whole controller and mouse wont work anymore
fringe salmon
for bl2/tps it was literally just a texture patch?
small comet
thats what i thought
willow quiver
yea
small comet
but it must have done smth else aswell
cause literally worked the day before the patch
i even made a video in pre
willow quiver
try deinstalling it and see if it works without
small comet
without what
willow quiver
small comet
dont even have that
the game just updated 2gb
and as u can see i dont have such dlc
willow quiver
apparently
small comet
maybe both
willow quiver
likely the former
small comet
added it
and its not installed
yes so the 2gb update was a game update
to the engine or smth
btw the same 2gb update happened for 2
and i also dont have the hd pack there
rip borderlands
fringe salmon
380mb was my bl2 update
small comet
mine both loaded like 1.8gb each
which i assumed to be the hd thing
now i know it has to be smth else
fringe salmon
jesus christ people are downvoting bl2 because the hd pack is only for windows
small comet
*and linux
fringe salmon
I lost all faith in humanity that I gained since I last lost it
small comet
thx to wine and stuff
small comet
cause even windows cant handle it good
willow quiver
rest of the game would run completely fine
small comet
this is like the most dumb reason ever
fringe salmon
maybe they just say that to avoid having to do linux support
fringe salmon
yes but if something breaks, its not something their support needs to invest time into
willow quiver
apparently they do make a linux port btw
fringe salmon
the reason why a lot of devs dont do linux support, is in most cases how much cost it would add to support
willow quiver
which lags behind a couple of versions
basically runs something similar to wine, but specifically optimized
willow quiver
yea
but their wrapper is apparently weird af
which makes it sometimes perform better
even better than on windows
fringe salmon
a lot of indie devs will go to epic even without deals
untill steam lowers their cut
nah, at some point steam is forced to react, and idk what else they could do besides lowering their cut
they dont need to exactly match epic, but lower it for more than just games that sell over 10 million copies
yes, after 10 million copies its 25 instead of 30
dollars, not copies, my mistake
aka nothing for inide devs
50 million to get it to 20%
so it only "helps" those who get enough anyway
sure it's nice, but not solving the issues
most do, none of them sell the majority of their keys there
yes thats the issue when you tackle a not completely terrible monopol, there are bad points that appear by not allowing the monopol
definitely not the best course of action that has happend, but pretty good compared to what could've happend imo
you can launch any exe via steam and have steam overlay work if you mean that
but that only supports games that support it
for me it shows not a single game is availible on gog for that right now lol
https://www.gog.com/connect unless this is not accurate
never used gog
trim rock
Connect only has a limited selection of games at limited times
fringe salmon
they need to be availible AND devs need to support it
idk, as I said I never used gog, didnt even know about this till you mentioned it
bleak pike
It's gumball \o/ https://youtu.be/_xHkblVl-C
keen urchin
Discord takes an even lower cut than Epic
Indie devs would probably at least offer alternative sales here
Or self-service sell steam keys, for that sweet 100% cut
Wube did that for the longest time
orchid prism
It's kind of an indie games platform. Think GOG....just weirder?
willow quiver
It's somewhat like GOG with the content of the discord store
fading spade
Oh.....
Rip any chances of a Linux port happening
;_;
Borderlands 2 is on Linux natively
It runs like shit on my PC though
:/ I need a new PC
orchid prism
weak cypress
@keen urchin Pretty much that, except devs can choose to have 100% of the share.
@fading spade You better believe CaptainSparklez is breaking up with X33N.
ripe tendon
lul BL2 being review bombed on Steam. Cause that'll accomplish something 😂
trim rock
Clearly this is why the EGS having no reviews is a good thing
ripe tendon
It wouldn't matter then if the person had already bought the game.
But review bombing something like BL2 makes no sense. It's been out for ages, steam just recently implemented their attempt to combat review bombing, and it's not like somebody is going to read one of those reviews and think "oh yeah I shouldn't play that" It's BL2 and everybody has known for years that it's great
sleek gorge
It's some people's way of thinking they're sticking it too greedy Take Two
But it's super dumb
Honestly I do feel sorry for Gearbox. If the choice to be on the EGS was wholly Take Two's then the amount of negative messages being sent their way must suck even more
small comet
not really cause
either way GB can show take2 how shit the move was
this is more about just showing the dislike of this move in general
altho theres prob people who genuinly hate gb for it
despite this mostly being take2
mihgt not change smth but we should still show that we dont like it
and people that are like "i dont like epic gamestore and the move but i will buy it cause its bl"
well
those people are what fuels this shit
bleak pike
Review bombing is so childish
small comet
an email to GB thats like "Hey i dont like that you published it on epic as exclusive until april 2020 and thus wont buy it there" would be enough and then just dont buy the game
otherwise the publisher will just see that even if they pull shit ull buy the product
everyone complains about CoD all the time and yet they buy the games
keen urchin
I will not buy it until it's a steam key on sale somewhere
EGS still does not have library sharing on the roadmap
That's a certain deal breaker
keen urchin
Why the hell do people like Unreal Engine?
wheat kraken
I mean... Is there something wrong with it?
I've played plenty of games with UE running it and they were fun and didn't seem to give issued
keen urchin
I can't remember one where I had good performance
If I compare it for example to Source Engine games
Always lower FPS
Always significantly less fluid experience
Apex looks a lot better than BL3, and runs a lot better, for example
Those weird issues aside
wheat kraken
My brain isn't dragging up any examples of games so fuck
trim rock
Well that also depends on how good the game developers are, you can have the best engine ever made but if the developers making the game are incompetent you won't get anything good
orchid prism
Or vice versa - Titanfall 2 is built on Source. SOURCE. And it plays like a game of today
sleek gorge
The Vanishing of Ethan Carter ran on EU4 and that was smooth and looked amazing
ripe tendon
It's expected for Apex to run great since it's a competitive game. If it didn't it'd be pointless. Not sure how we can even compare it to a game that isn't out yet though.
bleak pike
But it doesn't
Titanfall 2 runs so much begger than apex
Which doesn't make any sense
sleek gorge
I suspect apex had a much shorter development cycle
bleak pike
It's using tf2
fringe salmon
because you have less players in it, and you dont need to constantly have all of the loaded and connected etc.
its a lot heavier on the network
small comet
@orchid prism steam has library sharing
its called family sharing
useable for any kind of family even the mafia kind
orchid prism
It's not really sharing.
You're lending out your account completely, not sharing it.
orchid prism
We've had this discussion. I can't share my account with my wife and play two different games on the same master account at once 😛
It's not sharing - It'd handing over your account. Sharing means you can pick individual titles temporarily.
small comet
wha
as long as im not playing a game on steam anyone i share with can play my games fully
as if they own tem
small comet
handing over my entire account is handing over my entire account
orchid prism
And that's not sharing as far as I am concerned.
small comet
im sharing my game library while im not using it
orchid prism
My account is not a car that only one person should be able to drive at any one time. It is a LIBRARY of INDIVIDUAL titles. 😄
small comet
its sharing in the same sense as it was when games where on cds/dvds and cardridges
u literally hand it over
willow quiver
lol
orchid prism
No, Brain.
willow quiver
why doesn't steam allow everybody to play every game for free 4head
orchid prism
Because with steam you're not lending someone a single game, you're handing over your entire collection at a time 😄
orchid prism
I'm not expecting that, Yamato. I'm expecting to be able to share it with my HOUSEHOLD in the same physical location 😛
small comet
we should make him the one deciding shit for steam
willow quiver
luckily with other stores you only have to give up all your login details
small comet
they dont know if these people are ur family or not
orchid prism
You've defeated your own argument by comparing to discs.
small comet
this is like piracy just empowered by steam
orchid prism
I could lend out any of my individual game discs to one person at a time. I can't with Steam.
willow quiver
maybe even invluding the ability to buy stuff with your money
orchid prism
Anyhow - I don't agree that it's game sharing. It's handing over your entire account at a time. Feel free to disagree. 😛
small comet
everything else is kind of like piracy
willow quiver
handing out your entire account would include stuff like access to buy stuff with your money
orchid prism
It... isn't though
willow quiver
and giving out your passwort
small comet
it would mean that... i can literally share my 500 games acc with someone and they never need to buy shit
if we play the same games
willow quiver
that's handing out your account
small comet
cause they can play whatever i dont play
orchid prism
Ah yes - Just like we used to do in the game disc days.
small comet
thats the most dumb concept
orchid prism
Funny how that vanished.
willow quiver
if you could play on bot haccounts at the same times it would end in everybody using one or two shared accounts
small comet
ya i wanna see u returning a game disk over thousands of kilometers in milliseconds
see i can steam family share with anyone around the globe
orchid prism
It's almost as if I specifically said something about the same physical location or something. I'm not being unreasonable 😛
small comet
ya so send steam ur birthcirtificates and marriage shit and they might add exceptions
how the fuck would they confirm ure in the same household
orchid prism
We have this awesome thing called an IP address.
willow quiver
ayea
willow quiver
which can't be faked easily
willow quiver
ipv6 isn't used in large parts of the world
willow quiver
it's very easy to do though
small comet
so
ure telling me
that ure ISP is happy to waste millions and millions of ips
from a pool of 2.147billion ps
orchid prism
Waste? No. Give me an actual individual IPv4 address that is just me? Yes.
small comet
thats a waste by now
willow quiver
you know what an ipv4 address costs?
orchid prism
Until IPv6 becomes the norm? no.
small comet
an ipv4 address is 18bucks btw
willow quiver
pretty expensive
small comet
thats not cheap
willow quiver
ipv6 is extremely cheap, if you ca nget it
small comet
psure ur isp is also using dualstack or dualstack light
orchid prism
Oh please. We have enormous chunks of IPV4 being wasted for nothing as is. 😄
small comet
cause its cheaper
willow quiver
that's why they are so expensive
small comet
thats like saying we waste enormous amounts of area for wild life reserves
some ip ranges are reserved for special things
orchid prism
Anyhow - As long as Valve insists on forcing me to buy two copies of every game, just to be able to use my account at any time, while my wife wants to play something, I have no qualms using offline mode and other means to actually use my games in my household.
And I will never agree that handing over an entire account for a single game at a time is sharing in any capacity. See that hill? I'll gladly die on it 😄
Just imagine the ultimate counter to the current system. A launcher that creates a new account for each of your games. Same end result but completely within Steam TOS.
small comet
how about be a real man and chain up ur wife in the kitchen where she belongs?
willow quiver
luckily games are cheaper in the epic games store
orchid prism
I won't need to.
My wife will just launch her game on that unique account, and I'd play mine.
willow quiver
you mean like every person?
small comet
yes
willow quiver
you actually have to pay for a product twice if you want it twice?
orchid prism
I don't want it twice.
orchid prism
I want to be able to play that one game at any time, without being locked out of it, because the same account happens to be playing something else 😄
willow quiver
yea
orchid prism
My Steam library should not be a television. It is a library. I can read another book from it should I want to. I shouldn't have to force my wife to stop watching her shows, and change the channel 😄
willow quiver
that's the burden of drm
small comet
see it never advertises itself as a per game share anyway
it literally says library sharing
orchid prism
Library is a misnomer though.
small comet
and i have a solution for you
just move to a country thats +/-12hrs from ur wifes
easy fix
she plays when u sleep
orchid prism
Hehehe 😄
small comet
no problems whatsoever
orchid prism
Anyhow - Enough ranting out of this old man. I'll go back to my online arguments 😄
bleak pike
And don't leave freaking wallpaper engine open
Haven't been able to access my friends games all week cos of it lol
orchid prism
bleak pike
Xbox you could actually share digital content
Similar system to steam however you can play st the same time on 2 different accounts
Still can
wheat kraken
ayy who all here has risk of rain 2 and might want another person to join them
keen urchin
Failed to buy it during the 2 for 1 deal
small comet
iirc no
oh they do
oh wait
ya
just saw it
i wont buy it either tbh
1 wasnt that good imo either
is that just the fanboys speaking cause no one else bought it?
like destiny 2?
fringe salmon
nah a lot of streamers who played divison 2 didnt like div1
fringe salmon
you could buy divison 2 on the epic store, they allow you to refund in 14 days, if less than 2 hours are played
small comet
out of the entire series
fringe salmon
yes claptrap dlc was made by the main studio, rest of the game by 2k australia
fringe salmon
that part is good yes, the main game not
small comet
it is
fringe salmon
and thus get a refund
beat saber modding tool shut down, their discord is now a tech supports worst ngihtmare https://gyazo.com/4033f603b058098b7d6e13faeee4b9fe
"my mods broke" "check this channel" "no"
fringe salmon
how
small comet
its japanese
fringe salmon
...
small comet
isnt that how it works for most people
who dont know the true origin of the words weeabo
fringe salmon
I guess? dont really interact with anyone who thinks that way
small comet
most people are like "ure a weeb u like japan" or "ure a weeb u watch anime"
fringe salmon
what was that 
runic skiff
@small comet a weeb for me is anyone who watches anime, then you get mega weeb, the ones with the gall to talk about it publicly
So basically 75% of my friends
By design
lone oasis
and why would you not be allowed to talk about anime?
wheat kraken
because anime is bad
lone oasis
anime is awesome 😃
bleak pike
This is just wrong https://youtu.be/nMbNxxpwSoU
@fading spade @tacit rose
@hollow sphinx
fading spade
Seen it
bleak pike
It makes me shiver
fading spade
Ikr
hollow sphinx
runic skiff
@lone oasis oh no you're allowed, you just gotta be prepared to be outlawed
And labeled
Cuz that shid dooky ma dawg
runic skiff
Its cwinge uwu
lone oasis
How is it cringe?
runic skiff
Its a japanese cartoon with characters who can break my soul with just the way they talk
And we're westerners
lone oasis
What does that have to do with anything?
bleak pike
Weeb trash
lone oasis
If you're a non-American you can't read or watch cartoons, no more marvel or game of thrones
Just stupid logic :D
bleak pike
Anime is just made for porn
runic skiff
Anime has so much japanese culture in it- american movies are the only good movies that exist on the planet- see bollywood
So they dont really have much of a choice
bleak pike
Not all anime is Japanese
bleak pike
Or Asian in general tbf