hey there! I currently have 112 cg completions to 200 deaths. i keep leaving for a month or two then coming back so Ive gotten it down then got rusty back and forth several times. Came back at 80 completions 160 deaths. Decided to do tier 1 prep only and since getting it down i probably have a 70 percent success rate. most of my deaths are pretty simple mistakes. My main problem seems to be my dps, i’m usually about 84% tick utilization and i seem to die by just having the fight go too long and make one too many mistakes. i’ve watched all the youtube videos many times over and i just downloaded a recorder to watch myself playing today. is anyone willing to watch me stream and give feedback or to watch recorded attempts and give me any advice? Just curious if not nbd!
#CG Coaching
quaint olive
jade needle
post a recording here and people will pick it apart for ya
chrome leaf
84% tick usage is a big part of the problem imo. just keep practicing but ye u can post a vid
autumn lynx
Hi! As mentioned plenty of people here will rip apart your run give constructive advice! If you haven't read our CG advice thread yet, give that a try as well 😄
I do think that 84% is low, and suspect that dps isnt the only issue
tribal moon
Im not on my pc but a plugin called attack cool down or somthing along those lines can help with not losing so many ticks
sterile pebble
i recommend running in circles around any enemy npc and smacking with a 4t weapon without ever standing still except the tick u attack
a lot of ppl struggle with knowing their attack cooldown early on in pvm
chrome leaf
as important as I think it is without plugins I do feel like this helps alot as well
tribal moon
as important as I think it is without plugins I do feel like this helps alot as ...
Yeah thats it
quaint olive
as important as I think it is without plugins I do feel like this helps alot as ...
i do have that one! very helpful
chrome leaf
if i had to guess where ur losing alot of ticks and from watching recent wow streamers
quaint olive
post a recording here and people will pick it apart for ya
went to post a screenrecording and its too big. tried drop box but not allowed. anyone have any ideas?
chrome leaf
its probaly during tornados
grand escarp
YouTube, streamable, medaltv
jade needle
went to post a screenrecording and its too big. tried drop box but not allowed. ...
upload to streamable or youtube or something
autumn lynx
if i had to guess where ur losing alot of ticks and from watching recent wow str...
oooh ooh can I guess: is it from eat timing
autumn lynx
my take on the eating is that maybe either way is hard but they arent nearly equally hard
people are just choosing to make their life more difficult
sucks to suck
chrome leaf
with eating u dont have to stall and can click aimlessly for most part i find it easier-attack timer metronome also accounts for eating as well
quaint olive
Included prep in the success just in case anyone wanted to critique that but i feel pretty good
consistently gettingto boss with 1:30-2 mins left
quaint olive
i was weirdly nervous recording myself so i made way more mistakes then normal
sometimes he follows me sometimes he doesnt, does his range switch based off attack?
autumn lynx
no. Hunllefs attack range is one smaller than the room
if you move to the far wall he has to move up a tile
you can use this to lure him away from any walls at the start
thats preferred positioning as it gives you more options
quaint olive
okayy so whatever wall hes touching always run to the opposite
autumn lynx
yeah
and if he's touching a corner, go opposite corner
you normally do this on the first range/mage weapon opportunity after entering
to not lose any dps
also you need NEED to learn how to eat
if you're ever missing 21hp, eat a fish
no excuses
grand escarp
You're relying a ton on the plugin to tell you when to change prayers, you get hit off prayer a ton in that first clip
He has a visual and audio cue for it and you can swap as soon as you see the last projectile come out
autumn lynx
you're losing a ton of time trying to attack when you should be eating
in general I think the basics of the fight are missing, sorry
its movement > overheads > eating and drinking > attacking > offensive prayers
your movement has a lot of room for improvement: get hunllef away from the wall, grab the centre as much as possible, when nados come out try to loop around hunllef
overheads: as Shwax said you should be predicting or reacting to previous cues, not waiting for the attack or the plugin
eating and drinking: eat when missing 21 hp, dont let your hp go below 68
and only then try to get attacks in
you're being way too aggressive while messing up the fundamentals
grand escarp
Another thing that, while preference, I think is making it harder for you is the static camera position
You've made it so that you have to do a lot of mouse movement to do every action and it delays you a ton, resulting in more mistakes
quaint olive
no need to apologize i appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and critique! This is my first osrs account ever so other than youtube videos its hard to self critique when im in the moment haha. this was my first time recording myself, should be helpful along with this advice.
quaint olive
Another thing that, while preference, I think is making it harder for you is the...
how would i fix this?
grand escarp
Personally prefer middle mouse to move screen so hunlef is right next to inv/prayers
quaint olive
I will say the success is much closer to my normal gameplay fyi
tribal moon
You are losing a lot of ticks when nados come out personally I would try to be high hp b4 they come out and just focus on acting while dodging
quaint olive
the failure was my first recoding and i was insanely nervous hahaha
tribal moon
If you are going to lose tick it is good time to eat but eating makes acting during nados harder
quaint olive
okay so eat right before nados and just focus on good movement during them. got it! thank you
grand escarp
Eat to full
autumn lynx
okay so eat right before nados and just focus on good movement during them. got ...
no
do not eat 'just before nados'
eat always
no excuses
chrome leaf
u can do either or in theory both lead to 100% tick usage if u know what ur doing
i do think camping higher hp is prob gona be more consistent as well
deep scroll
something you can try is always eat once when switching weapons
tribal moon
Click yellow is lowkey impossible though
deep scroll
gives you more time to fumble around for offensive prayers
tribal moon
In this case fish but you get my drift kekw
chrome leaf
tick uage is ur best grader if ur getting that high ur doing something right
quaint olive
what is the average "good" player sitting at for tick usage?
autumn lynx
98%+
chrome leaf
good players dont camp high hp
autumn lynx
actually 98 is probably low
quaint olive
i figured it would be 90+
quaint olive
okay so to start with im going to camp high hp, turn off the countown plugin and learn to switch prayers off of hunleff's cues. and focus on movement before dps
autumn lynx
its movement > overheads > eating and drinking > attacking > offensive prayers
your focus should be the movement and positioning
autumn lynx
once you are more comfortable with that, the prayer anticipating
grand escarp
And maybe work on camera positioning so you don't have to move mouse 7 miles to switch prayers
quaint olive
also earlier when you said grab the middle you mean stay in the middle as much as possible correct?
grand escarp
Yes
quaint olive
once you are more comfortable with that, the prayer anticipating
got it, thank you
grand escarp
Having to move around 1 nado tile is a lot easier than 4
quaint olive
Personally prefer middle mouse to move screen so hunlef is right next to inv/pra...
im gonna be honest i dont really understand what this means
hoary vigil
Looks like there a lot of missed attack opportunities during the successful run. You could sneak in a mage hit before running to safer from nados
tribal moon
what is the average "good" player sitting at for tick usage?
I normally get 98-99 if I really scuff a kill its like 97 but honestly anything over 90 is fine.
quaint olive
okay im really missing a lot then cause i cap out at 90 usually aruond 84
chrome leaf
ye 90+ is the goal imo as well i wouldint expect someone brand new to grame to be able to hit higher then 95%
autumn lynx
Looks like there a lot of missed attack opportunities during the successful run....
id not do this for now. There are too many more important gaps
quaint olive
once i consistently get no tornado or tile or wrong defensive prayers im going to record myself again to look at what im doing
autumn lynx
id instead focus on the basics
there is a lot of room for improvement between your current runs and no mistakes at all
focus on smaller gains there
grand escarp
im gonna be honest i dont really understand what this means
Click accuracy and speed in pvm is really important, if hunleff is on the left side of your screen it's going to be harder to click consistently quickly and accurately than if he's on the right, next to them
quaint olive
ohhhhhh i understand what youre saying. so have hunleff "in between" me and my prayers/invo
so hes always right next to them
grand escarp
Just trying to minimize mouse movement yeah
quaint olive
thank you everyone for your time! back to the grind hopefully by the end of this week i can get the movement and prayers down.
grand escarp
A lot of ppl use smaller clients for the same reason
It's more preference than anything as practice makes perfect
autumn lynx
good luck 😄
steady frost
I’m sure it’s been said somewhere in here but always remember, missing hits to eat is waaaaaaaaay less timeloss than dying
autumn lynx
hey fun fact eating doesnt lose hits
thats a lie people keep sharing
it's not between 'missing hits' and 'death'. Its between ' ' and 'death'
and for some reason people choose death
I think its maybe not the optimal choice
steady frost
Today I learned
autumn lynx
the food adds the same delay no matter where in the attack cycle you eat it
so you may as well eat whenever
chrome leaf
maybe thats the theory of it but practically i think its easier to eat during nados then attack during nados to keep tick usage high
even in vid u can clearly see he was struggling to att during nados
autumn lynx
I think its the opposite, attacking is way easier
in the vids I think there was panic from being out of position and low health
steady frost
Click floor click boss click floor is easier than click floor?
autumn lynx
its between floor-inv-floor and floor-boss-floor
chrome leaf
u have to account for the stall and clicking hunleif vses just eating food idk in my pvm experince i think its easier to do ladder
autumn lynx
and the boss is closer to the floor
chrome leaf
both solutions work so im not gona be hard headed about it
deep scroll
also in prep try to drop a couple food in starting room after your first go round
otherwise you will often be 1 or 2 short due to inventory management
autumn lynx
rather than dropping them, its better to forego fishing those few fish
skip some fishing spots close to the starting room
but this is a smaller optimization, not as big a deal as the points discussed above
jade needle
yeah when you find fishing spots adjacent to the start room there's no need to harvest them right away, you can easily grab them at the end of your prep if you need them
unreal creek
I'm sort of in the same position as OP. this is my first time ever doing PVM on OSRS so CG was a learning curve. I've got it down pretty solid though. One big thing that helped me was just listening to hunleff's audio cues. He does like a weird moan the attack before he switches his attack style. After he does that attack, I just swap prayers then instead of scrambling last second to switch prayers.
I've seen that plugin to "help" with the hunleff attack switches and it just seems more annoying than just listening to the audio cues in-game lol
deep scroll
the only annoying thing is swapping to range early then getting hit by a purp
and you don’t know which happened first, especially at higher ping
unreal creek
the only annoying thing is swapping to range early then getting hit by a purp
I mean he only hits you with that when he is maging, so you would just switch to ranged if he did switch