Osto-Ayak (Doom of Mokhaiotl)

[plucky turret]

also need infinity + rangers + cerb crystals

[celest robin]

Imo scobow -> delve no questions asked

[desert thorn]

in a 25 hours grind

[celest robin]

What's crazy is the boots without cerb are already like quite good

[nimble crest]

Boots not megarare tier surely

For the hours it takes it’s very good for sure

But I don’t even notice I have the new boots at content

[celest robin]

In a game where 28 inventory slots is the primary restriction (imo) a bis tribrid item is at the very least the next best thing to megarare tier

[verbal edge]

nah its no where near megarare strength

its useful just about everywhere but its like 1 max hit on avg probably

[heady flicker]

Petition to req full virtus for mahajjarat role

[verbal edge]

while tbow/scythe/shadow are often 30%+ more dps than the next best item

[night zephyr]

Cut that down to like 5-10% now at most places except GWD for shadow.

[celest robin]

I'd be a lot more ok with these rates if the boss dropped like 1 of these 3 items, and the other uniques were ultra niche/meme tier. Basically like colo's drops

[night zephyr]

I feel like eye and gloves are fine, but boots should have been made rarer.

Boots 6-7+ only and pet 8+ would be a good fix.

[verbal edge]

cloth 2, wand 4, boots 6, pet 8

would significantly nerf 1-7 farming

which is good

[night zephyr]

I like that spread

[tawny kelp]

I just chally specced on wave 2, first run of the day, it splashed water and gave me pray back with a new purple hitsplat

[night zephyr]

Prevents the shitters from dumping boots into the main economy too

[plucky turret]

isnt this just the toa thing all over again and it turned out ppl running 500+ were responsible for most purps

[acoustic oak]

might be a dumb question: does gauntlet passive work w kodai on barrage?

[main briar]

This isn't even close to true

[night zephyr]

Undoubtedly that would be the case, but it would still help to keep boots more expensive regardless

[summer hound]

yeah i think the bug is delve run specific. like one run you might never get holy water, but others will work

[plucky turret]

if they want the boots to be more expensive i doubt 1-7 farmers are gonna be the problem just like toa

[main briar]

This was not the case

[night zephyr]

Well less about making them more expensive but just making them more rare.

[fast latch]

All these sheets in here and not 1 for these

[plucky turret]

oh yeah found it

my bad

[haughty panther]

having long times to complete bosses only works when u don't have 50 fucking bosses in the game

[grizzled swift]

=seriessum

[haughty panther]

oic

[grizzled swift]

or use =sum with =sequence

[haughty panther]

sheets is 4 playing with toys for me that shit looks hard

[stuck cape]

Uniques every 4-5 hours mean the items are worthless

[main briar]

I don't think non-raid bosses should basically ever be 100+ hrs

[stuck cape]

Well do you balance for Reddit or for a gamer

[haughty panther]

u balance for a gamer who's starting a fresh account imo

[stuck cape]

Bc a gamer can hit rate for 3/3 in like 20 hours

Which is crazy for the items being so good

[haughty panther]

anything else just leads to ass

[stuck cape]

Like the staff is better than sang, and the boots are better than everything

[plucky turret]

as an extremely average pvmer this seems alright to me, rates for me aren't so bad i dont want to grind the boss but the 8+ rates are still good enough to make me want to push

[stuck cape]

And the boss is just gonna give you a unique every 5 hours

Also am I going crazy but 9+ is a thing in all this

But it was always pitched as wave 8 being final

But 9 has diff hp, diff drop rates

[haughty panther]

reverse british counting system, the first wave is actually the zeroth wave

[acoustic oak]

It’s more coming 9+ right?

[celest robin]

You're not crazy, classic blog/implementation diff

[acoustic oak]

I mean it’s technically a bit harder to do 9+ with bad acid right?

[celest robin]

Eventually yeah

But 9 is pretty straightforwardly easier than 8 unless you got profoundly unlucky with acid direction 6+

[stuck cape]

No, -50hp is a huge buff

[acoustic oak]

Ya sure

[wary oriole]

why

[arctic niche]

did they patch out car park?

idk if im messing up or if strat has changed to make it work

[stuck cape]

The w8+ mechanics not stacking together makes it feel so free compared to before

[haughty panther]

I think new content should be a relatively static number of hours added per year so people aren't in a spot where they can't actually achieve their goals

[stuck cape]

I feel like if you know the basics you can clear every time now,

[haughty panther]

if you start a new account and play 3 hours every day & at the end of the year you're further behind completing max gear or whatever than you were when you started, that sucks

[wary oriole]

good thing thats like not even close to true by a factor of 100

you hate it when they add 150 hours of content every 8760 hours

[haughty panther]

I mean ppl were talking abt nex droprates for bis & we get like 3 bosses per year

[grizzled comet]

these boots would have been a terrible mega-rare. They're powerful yeah but they're the kind of powerful where you just toss them into every setup to get a couple of numbers and then forget about it, not the kind of powerful where you sell your bank to buy them and get access to some juicy new method

Megas should feel like you unlock new parts of the game, not just as numbers increases

[haughty panther]

obviously an extreme example but I think we all know they shouldn't add 1000 hours of content to the game every year & we all know they should probably add more than 100 hours of content in a year

[acoustic oak]

The 1-7 shoulda been gutted and 9+ kept the same

[proven owl]

i swear to god this bug with grubs not despawning is more annoying than anything they fixed in the patch lol

and its not even on their list of bugs that they're aware of rip

[keen rapids]

[plucky turret]

havent encountered that isnt it maybe plugin fuckery?

[proven owl]

no grubs will just walk around infinitely during car phase

[plucky turret]

ohh like that

[proven owl]

one fucking melee grub will always spawn in last tick and fuck me lol

[acoustic oak]

Ya the lone melee grub

[brazen token]

Any read on how much less likely it is to get back to back orb attacks now? 20% or 80%?

[proven owl]

i dont rly notice much of a difference tbh ^^

i would guess closer to 20% out of those

[night zephyr]

So did chally get giga buffed from the no melee hit delay? Or is it just to perform the melee hit you have no delay? i.e., still get a 7tick cooldown from a chally spec

[proven owl]

still get cd i believe

[night zephyr]

Gotcha. I didn't see anything about 3t tbow being patched. So you can still get rid of the 7t chally delay too with a grub I assume

[plucky turret]

no cd is only when attacking not after i believe

[proven owl]

ye 3t tbow tech still works

[main briar]

Well if you can attack without a delay it's gonna be hard/impossible to 1t chally when it procs right?

[night zephyr]

It will be very hard

Scobo has a spec orb at least. Tbowers gonna be more delayed

Speedruns for this boss gonna be insane with 3t tbow, all the 0t stuff and veng being very viable now with eye of ayak working

In its current state I think there's a decent argument for a higher skill cap than inferno speeds. Or at least very close.

[celest robin]

Can't venge only work on his melees?

[night zephyr]

Not sure on that

I assumed you'd be able to veng autos

[worn hazel]

How tf read this?

What does that "cumulative:" even mean

[north axle]

Do people veng the big hits?

[acoustic oak]

rate of seeing the item froms waves 1-x

[north axle]

Wouldn't it be better to just not dying and delve deeper

[acoustic oak]

or 2-x in this case

people might be doing venge + melee switches for 1-8 speed time specifically

[worn hazel]

What does this mean?

[acoustic oak]

like ur odds of getting a cloth if u do 2-8 is 1/140

so 1/140 runs

[worn hazel]

Ok I see now

[acoustic oak]

if u add a wave 9 into that, it turns into 1/110 full runs

[worn hazel]

Thanks alot for explaning

[acoustic oak]

np

will ice barrage need to miss all targets to gain benefit from gauntlet passive

how does that work

like if i barrage 5 shamans in chambers, and i splash on 3 but hit 2, do i get a double accuracy on the 3 i missed on, or does the 2 i hit forfeit my buff?

[glad tartan]

cumulative just means the rate when you accumulate everything before it too

[autumn fulcrum]

could could test this i think by stacking up some nechs except for one ans alternating between barraging the stack and the single one

[acoustic oak]

i dont have the gloves yet 😭

wanna see how impactful they would be for scaled chambers, since u barrage stuff kinda resistant to barrage

[plucky turret]

maybe hot take but spec not regenning is lame

[acoustic oak]

muts in shambles

[night zephyr]

Had to do it for colo also to save us from ourselves.

[acoustic oak]

also idk if anyone noticed or maybe im tweaking, but if theres projectiles in the air already, and the boss phases to shield, the projectiles just null?

[fast latch]

rly fucks with your spec when it would've regenned like 4 ticks after boss died

[acoustic oak]

i didnt pray against a full boulder to hit the shield phase and 0 hitsplats appeared on my character

[fast latch]

only for a limited time

[tawny kelp]

yes I noticed this this morning on my 1 run lol

so bug?

[acoustic oak]

i assume thats not intentional

[plucky turret]

yeah that happens sometimes

[fast latch]

I stopped praying for em and then the next ones just hit me

[acoustic oak]

ya ive lost a full cycle on early waves to this, or it feels like it

[fast latch]

I'm pretty sure 1 run I missed like 3 cycles by w4

[acoustic oak]

like 70 spec going on 80, and i cant zcb start on w4

[fast latch]

also somehow didn't have enough spec for car phase w13

[keen rapids]

yeah this happens but it doesn't null the second boulder on w8+

[fast latch]

and it was definitely off set cuz regen orb didn't align with actual cycle

[keen rapids]

so be wary, idk it doesn't feel major to me either way

just a nice lil treat if you miss some flicks on the first boulder i guess

[acoustic oak]

ya it just feels inconsistent reckless, i wouldnt bank on it

but it made me feel like i did something wrong

[dense ginkgo]

I'm so glad it came with all the other buffs though and not as its own update lol

speaking of which, does anyone know if it

1. pauses progress
2. resets to 0 and pauses
3. keeps going but when you would get spec regen you don't

I'm pretty sure it's not 3

[plucky turret]

3

[dense ginkgo]

oh lol

[plucky turret]

but i think it desyncs

[dense ginkgo]

yeah the desync was why I thought it couldn't be 3

[plucky turret]

havent paid a lot of attention to it but feels wonky

[acoustic oak]

its like colo

i think

[burnt lichen]

so if I did level 20 runs, this would mean that I need to do 34 runs on average to hit rate for the cloth, yea?

[keen rapids]

i believe so yea

er

yea i think so

[hollow ermine]

some quick calcs show eye of ayak saves 5 hours for getting blowpipe compared to just bowfa. is there any chance bp saves that much at Mokhaiotl?

[celest robin]

If turbo sweating and bp grubs to speed up your main weapon then maybe

[night zephyr]

3t scobo is not fun.

Tbow if you lose a tick you at least still save a tick. Losing a tick doing BP tech means your scobo is just the same

[celest robin]

"if you lose a tick you at least still save a tick" is an awesome sentence

[hollow ermine]

losing bp for mokh sounds like its gonna hurt a bit but seems having the staff for zul is more important

if im reading things correctly here its also a bit aids to use bp + scobo?

[keen rapids]

i still havent tried the 3t tbow tech

[night zephyr]

Even amongst gamers you won't see regular use of bp + X speedup tech. Let alone the general population.

[hollow ermine]

oh ok

[night zephyr]

Main selling point of BP is the increased dps for car phase/healing though

Not the speedup tech

[hollow ermine]

ah ok so still high utility

[plucky turret]

gonna be a doozy telling ppl to go mokha before zulrah

[night zephyr]

I have big doubts it speeds up more than 5 hours since doom is short itself.

[hollow ermine]

honestly it may be a terrible look to tell ppl to go mokh before zul when i have 0 kc on the account

i may need to fix that

[night zephyr]

Also how is Ayak speeding up zulrah 5 hours? Is that comparing to Bofa camp?

[celest robin]

Ladlor deniers gonna be eating well

[hollow ermine]

yes comparing to bowfa camp

[night zephyr]

Ah that makes sense then

[arctic niche]

i think the irony is using bp is harder regardless even if they got it for mokha to make it easier it prob wouldint imo

[celest robin]

Reddit is gonna explode and I'm here for it

[hollow ermine]

using bp for car phase/healing actually makes the encounter more difficult? am i understanding correctly lol

[celest robin]

Significantly

[night zephyr]

It does.

[hollow ermine]

ok noted

[night zephyr]

But there's a set up you can do to still get some benefit from Blowpipe without much of an increase to difficulty

The very difficult part is using BP during all of car phase without taking a ton of damage

[plucky turret]

was gonna say its just free for the first 2 waves of car phase right?

if u use the setup

[main briar]

I've just been launching my specs and calling it a day

[celest robin]

You need to keep a grub alive, stay in blowpipe range of it, and repeatedly bp scobow, swapping weapons and target. You only have 1t to equip bp and click grub to save time. Factor in baiting the car and dodging slams and it's just a lot

Matt's right though about partial application

[arctic niche]

i think spec is still very strong if nothing else and always easy to get value in p5 to use bp

[celest robin]

It's full usage that's truly hard

[keen rapids]

not hard to just dump bp specs on the first boulder while it's parked

[hollow ermine]

ok its a bit arbitrary then but id be happy keeping grinding out mokh post bp then

[night zephyr]

Yeah theres like 3 levels.

1. Blowpipe usage only during car park
2. Blowpipe usage during all of car phase
3. Blowpipe usage during all of car phase + utilizing the speedup tech

[hollow ermine]

the boots always benefit the account but the other two mostly benefit raids only (and zul)

wait no we just established bp for mokh isnt that big

[arctic niche]

ye idt itd speed up grind if we are looking at newer players only arguement imo is if ur experinced already

[night zephyr]

Each one is a lot harder than the one before. But the gap in 2 and 3 is like only WR speedrunners will be doing that I think

[arctic niche]

u can also drop bp for brew to

[celest robin]

Level 0: bp usage on early waves/p1 to get to shield faster

[dense ginkgo]

what boots and ring have people settled on? And are toenails not worth the slot for 1-5 even if you don't own ZCB?

[night zephyr]

True I haven't bothered with that too much since BP>scobo is only a 1 tick speed up vs. 2 tick for tbow. But I definitely use it after chally speccing if there is a grub available.

[celest robin]

Assuming you're trying to go deep, any items that exist purely to speed up 1-5 would be better served by being a brew imo

[night zephyr]

Lightbearer seems more valuable than ultor for me with using chally. I could see myself using ultor if I was doing scythe punishes

For boots fairly sure Greg did some calcs may be able to search his messages here, but I think conclusion was prims > pegs

[acoustic oak]

if im dropping thralls entirely, should i just hold buckler ?

idk if thats worth juggling the brew

[night zephyr]

Spider boots better than prims if you don't lose the +X hit threshold from melee strength rounding by 5

[stone dawn]

Highly recommend lightbearer. Acgs makes deep delving easy (spec on shield phase between demon bane hits)
And you still want to zcb as much as possible to skip post car

[past otter]

What is the benefit of ancient gods word spec on shield phase? Is it just for the heal?

Or does it damage him as well

[wary oriole]

did jagex intend for the orb clearing the acid to be completely useless during the orb itself lol

trying to walk on the back tile of the orb and i just get hit by the stomp

feels like it should be the front tile that clears

[desert thorn]

any changes i should do

I avg 1-11

I have seen a trend where i die because im low health and i refuse to click yellow brew, maybe ags and lb will help?

[weary garden]

Honestly, I don’t find the melee switches to be impactful enough to justify
I just bring chally

[desert thorn]

ditch rancour gloves and ultor?

for lb ags and maybe 1 more ppot

[weary garden]

I’d think so. Mostly because you don’t see the melee punish much if at all past 5/6

[desert thorn]

how do i use ags

spec betwen shield hits no?

[keen rapids]

ancient godsword?

[desert thorn]

sgs

[stone dawn]

It does both. Your hit is always 0, but does dmg to the boss. The main benefit is the heal. Zcb drains hp and brewing for small mistakes results in a dent to your end delve level.

[stone dawn]

Middle tile clears it

So just always run to the mid. Extra 1t leeway they gave earlier gives plenty of time to stand on back of orb

[proven owl]

you could try sgsing trees ^^

someone said bp always max hits on them

maybe sgs on them would go crazy

would require you to get trees in the first place tho which isnt great

[wary oriole]

middle tile clears it but seems like it does it 1t late

can't walk in the middle

tried walking in the back but can't shoot the boss while you do that or you fall out

maybe if timing is perfect and dont shoot the boss you can use the orb to walk through acid, will try to see

[elfin flax]

anyone else finding the new big grubs waaay worse than triples before

no melees is nice but 2x2 seems so annoying with travel times for projectiles and that

especially without the 300 damage to shield

[weary garden]

Lol

[main escarp]

it does

as a scobow no zcb boi

its nice

[buoyant sand]

Do you use acgs as main melee punish too with a basic swing? I often try for the ~80% ZCB so car phase already starts low, but you're just proccing shield phase normally, acgs during it, and hopefully have 75% for car phase ZCB somehow? (Edit: assume you acgs to 50% then DC during shield phase to 80%+, I see)

[nova solstice]

I use nally for leeway on pathing

[keen rapids]

nally spec might not be terrible there to clear venom

[proven owl]

i honestly dont rly like nally after testing it but spamming acid with scythe doesnt feel great either

[burnt lichen]

i thought auto max hit was 60

idk if im going crazy, but on these new worlds im missing the first prayer

im using the same timing that i always do

why didn't mage pray activate there

i clicked it like 1 millisecond before the tick boundary

??

oh maybe im redacted

something about these 100 pop worlds

[celest robin]

the servers are too good

||I have not played on the new worlds yet||

[burnt lichen]

i think my brain is just a little fried

[stone dawn]

I only really use ACGS during shield. Normal punish on early waves is fine, late waves it can get hard to keep track of. If he ever goes into car or shield, you lose the damage from the spec too.

ZCB should come as the first auto after car starts, not before, since its guaranteed to land.

And yes, using ACGS for healing removes zcbing for damage sometimes. That is the tradeoff. You have to learn earthen shield properly anyways to deep delve as killing it during car isn't consistent.

Surge pot also can relieve some pressure every 5 minutes, for zcb and 1 acgs and shield

[burnt lichen]

?

[nova solstice]

godi wish i had a acgs

[nova solstice]

lol

lowkey debating to go back to nex for acgs for vard pet

am i crazy?

[burnt lichen]

not a bad idea if ur a clogger

[stone dawn]

I really enjoyed it at vard

[winter garden]

Dude I had this happen to me actually pissed me off so bad

[burnt lichen]

the unlimited pursuing grubs is actually really bad

[stone dawn]

first time seeing this jank, great boss

and I never did boulder tech

[stuck cape]

Sgs works the same as acgs? You’d get minimum 10 hp 5 pray? Could be legit

[green coyote]

this shit happened to me so many times i felt like i was going crazy, turns out just turning on early, when 2nd boulder breaks and you turn on prayer, it looks like its on but its not

[burnt lichen]

was just a skill issue on my part I believe, im just cooked

lost track of the ticks

[green coyote]

happens to the best of us, im gonna keep blaming game like a shitter

[acoustic oak]

Ngl I felt like the car hitbox was bad today but I figured it was purely skill issue

[nova solstice]

nox said they die

but never seen one die naturally like they used to

[dense ginkgo]

we have rates now

[weary garden]

So I’m not crazy dry, everyone is just lucky lol

[main briar]

Ok time to actually git gud and stop being a 1-7 andy

[wise spire]

bruh

why do we gotta make such weird ass loot systems

explains the odd single dplate that had a really low drop rate that we noticed though

[main briar]

Seem legit for actual deep runs? https://i.imgur.com/iFeGLEg.png have been on the 1-7 train

was doing more melee gear for scy but that's binned now. have ralos but that seems cope for 1-5

[elfin dove]

do you have soul runes in pouch and inv?

[main briar]

fixed that

but yes

[elfin dove]

might want to swap ultor for lb once you start getting deep

i think having even bp specs up more often is more impactful than +6 damage on punish

[merry lotus]

has anyone seen the shiny hole yet

[stone dawn]

yes, looks good

[merry lotus]

pic?

[mighty rain]

pic will look bad

looks really good live

[keen rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/975789005981515909/1402688401366319235/image.png?ex=6894d2df&is=6893815f&hm=20cc8303c099959281de44c10ca03800b188d7d2677a16014d36d7c4dc5b83e1&

got cloth earlier today, this one with the octagon pattern isn't animated and looks kinda shit lol

[keen rapids]

I take pretty much the same but I bin thralls (and ates but idm taking the long way)

speccing with bclaws felt pretty bad, you can take an emberlight or a darklight instead if you care about death cost at all

[main briar]

Not specing with the claws, just cba getting a darklight lol

[stuck cape]

Hard food . I started off with 1, and slowly have worked up to 3

If you do the mechanics right you take no dmg, most of the time you die you still have brews left

[keen rapids]

Oh yea I take a few sharks for emergency combo eats

[stuck cape]

The stomps during orb phase are 40~ dmg every 2 ticks , 1-2 manta rays is all it takes to survive the whole thing without the orb

Like you spawn the orb too early or miss it or whatever

[main briar]

Prob don't need to packyack that hard when i only get past 8 sometimes

[mighty rain]

what determines a circle around it and not?

mine was sparkles before

maybe just glitch

[keen rapids]

item? floor? idk

[oblique acorn]

Do yall control click during double boulders on 8

[keen rapids]

different glow for different items would be kinda shit though

[oblique acorn]

or just tactically double move before catching prayers

[keen rapids]

I do more of a zuk healers bp walk kind of thing where i run, click boss, run, click boss

except with bow

[oblique acorn]

I’ll try that out

[nova solstice]

i stopped praying rigour on shield phase

helps me get deep ngl

i hate that it gets easier after 8

its weird to me

[vapid lintel]

just seeing the new ladlor chart - are we saying rush mokha with scobo/rune arrows/deadeye? waves 1-7?

crazy how far fang is pushed back but makes sense i suppose

[verbal edge]

mokha has very low gear requirement, is not a super long grind, and has stupidly good drops

so yes it probably should be done early

[vapid lintel]

yeah i agree ive done 1500 just trying to confirm

[keen rapids]

yea it feels kinda pointless

binning thralls also feels good for the prayer conservation

[vapid lintel]

cuz i know people are not fans of amethyst mining here

[nova solstice]

ye esp cus ur just respawning every wave

and the acid..

[stone dawn]

This is what the unique burrow hole looks like live. It is a different object, so if you have left click delve before, it'll be investigate here. I'm sure someone will create a plugin to even prevent the descend button from working (albeit there is a warning anyway)

[keen rapids]

ohhh that looks nice

why does the one i got look so bad

maybe if you kill mocha a certain way it fucks with the spawn and makes a non animated version

it does look like the sparkles are coming up from an octagon around the base

i got my cloth on w3 so fwiw it wasn't the car phase that did it, idr how i killed it though

[wise spire]

what are you replacing thralls with? venge?

[stuck cape]

just death charge

gaining 1 invy slot and all the pray from thralls

[stone dawn]

Binning thralls seems bad, summoning them at the start of shield phase 6+ is the move. 1-5 is free dps. Prayer is hardly an issue.

Now, I used aether runes so no inv spot lost by bringing thralls

[stuck cape]

you equip book and juggle?

[stone dawn]

yeah

If you use the tele, you get your inv space back

Only when using ates did I juggle

[celest robin]

I've been binning them. The deeper you go, the more prayer can be an issue, and the extra acid they spawn if you don't kill during car phase sucks

[nova solstice]

yep

plus u get 2 space

for binning them

book + rune

unless ur using aether

[stone dawn]

Book is free because you bring 1h staff anyway

[celest robin]

1 space cause you can go in wielding zcb + book

but yea

[nova solstice]

i mean

i cba juggling

[celest robin]

it really is just the "they don't really add much, and they subtract a lot"

[nova solstice]

cause the f loors are not insntanced

right?

like im p sure ur shit gets deleted if u dont pick it up before kill

[stone dawn]

Right, you can leave it through some floors, but not every

[nova solstice]

ye i never bothered tbh

[stone dawn]

1 is diff than 2, 5 is diff from 6

[nova solstice]

i think from 6 onwards they stay the same

not sure tho

[stone dawn]

like I said, use tele to get there, theres an inv spot

[nova solstice]

ye true

ive been hoarding them for ca resets

[stone dawn]

I never lost a single run to running out of prayer. Acid, sure, but prayer never. Almost always skissue

[nova solstice]

cus im expecting some shit

[keen rapids]

can confirm juggling is a pain in the ass

[stone dawn]

Now you can descend from anywhere, so you don't have to run back, pick it up, then run back towards hole

So that helps a bit

[keen rapids]

ran a setup for a bit where i equipped staff and book and just took a one dose prepot divine range into the lair

[nova solstice]

yo btw

cna u get meleed

during earth trees?

[stone dawn]

no

[nova solstice]

i see

[keen rapids]

just while he is slamming right?

[nova solstice]

yea

ive been trying to make hella long ways for trees

if its a slow kill

and sometimes i wanna go thru him

to clear acid

[keen rapids]

ive been trying to think of good ways to use the acid clearing orb, what a fun little change

and then of course the holy water is still bugged

[nova solstice]

nox said its intendeed

to not show after 8+

[celest robin]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[keen rapids]

the holy water?

[nova solstice]

yea

he said it in pahizz chat

idk if they changed their mind tho

[keen rapids]

that's goofy, i thought that was the whole point

i thought we were gonna see some insane deep dives pop up after today

but also im pretty sure when i had it not pop up that was on a super early wave

it might have even been before acid spawns which i guess could explain it

[nova solstice]

yeah he said something like

the orb should be enough and they want to emphasize using the trees

to clear acid

otherwise it wuold make deep delves boring and too easy

if u just wait for a punish and holy water the area

[keen rapids]

yea understandable and kinda what i was thinking too

that shit heals a lot

[nova solstice]

but that was nox

and that was like 15 hrs go

i really should custom swap larvae

[oblique acorn]

how is this brother

[nova solstice]

over trees

almost died

[oblique acorn]

I am not good enough to get 8 clears yet I’m curious how after 8 is easier

😄

[keen rapids]

it is easier in the sense that it's a lot less pressure once you get your first kc

[nova solstice]

also the hp goes from 675 to 625

alot faster and less to deal with

so less dangerous parts

[keen rapids]

does it really

what the

[nova solstice]

ye post 8

[keen rapids]

and the drop rate goes up?

[nova solstice]

think so

[keen rapids]

it does

wave 9+ has better drop rates on everything than wave 8

i thought wave 8 was supposed to just repeat infinitely

[celest robin]

so was colosseum and see where we ended up 🙂

[keen rapids]

infinite colosseum seems like a silly idea in retrospect

[celest robin]

doesn't mean I don't want it 😄

[keen rapids]

would be cool with invocations stacking up but then like

when do you fight sol

what spawns would you get

just wave 11 on repeat?

[celest robin]

IIRC the idea was you'd start over from wave 1 with all invos intact

[keen rapids]

true actually

that would be fire

risk of rain style

[celest robin]

original delve blog aged well

[dense ginkgo]

they said it was going to be another mode iirc, not something beyond Sol

[celest robin]

• the quantities of basic level loot do, in fact, scale
• you repeat the 9th level

[celest robin]

I read this as beyond sol, a choice you can make upon winning

[dense ginkgo]

oh yeah, "extend their run" and "so far"

must've misremembered

[nova solstice]

lol theres tech

u can spawn trees

after bsos dies

and freely clear acid

[winter garden]

Ya I remember when port got this first kc i was like ok did he keep going??

[main briar]

Who's got that clip of the "step on rubble" method? (i should really pin that one)

[stone dawn]

Deal with double boulder and always dodge falling debris
https://medal.tv/games/osrs/clips/kM4OlZ4QimbSPvB64?v=120
Shoutout Ket-zek

[main briar]

[wary oriole]

how do u spawn trees after the boss dies

[nova solstice]

ill get u a clip later in one rn

u can ask molgoat if u cba waiting

https://www.twitch.tv/molgoatkirby/clip/EndearingDullGalagoPJSugar-z9l9FQbH5pAADdtg

[ivory ravine]

is this log spooned, im 4 iq and dont understand the drop rates

[stone dawn]

yes

[ivory ravine]

ty

[nova solstice]

ok the permanently chasing grubs are zzz

[split saffron]

that was on the list of issues in blog then they deleted it. i assume that means its intentional

is gnomonkey rock tech guide still the current meta?

[nova solstice]

parking 1 rock under it ye

[sullen sable]

ayo we did the thing

Turns out eating food good

[mighty rain]

gzzzz!!

now do it again

w9 right now

[acoustic oak]

dude the persistant grubs after shield is so grief now

i had 4 melee grubs spawn as i phased

[main escarp]

yeah im going to crash out

[sullen sable]

is the big grub bugged? I thought I would kill it faster but i think there's tick delay on them

[weary garden]

wtf

considering droptrading this and selling on my main before these drop in price. thoughts?

[sullen sable]

I'd say worth it. With rates released now and it being actually decently common, they'll probably keep dropping

[verbal edge]

new items always drop in price, sell asap

[nova solstice]

i see no reason to keep items like this ever

unless ur absolutely loaded

[keen rapids]

for a new item like this i would sell, but it's not a terrible idea to keep extra rares in case of some kind of high risk world incident or something

surely they would never do something like change the tele options on the max cape so you end up teleing to black chins after a trip at a perfectly safe boss wearing max gear

[weary garden]

It'd be a cool flex tbh lmao

but my main has 0 gp, so it'd be nice to have tob splits and awakener orb money

[wary oriole]

so you can't really spawn it, just kill the boss right before they spawn naturally

[main briar]

I usually keep 2 of everything just in case, but if you are gonna drop it now would be the time

[weary garden]

Yeah I dropped it already. its probably worth to drop dupes like that until i at least have scythe split money

[nova solstice]

defo

i also play my man

so i need gp

[weary garden]

ill never touch that main lmao. until i need to practice awakened bosses

[main briar]

Ok it's slowly starting to click, first time going further than 8 https://i.imgur.com/4qsegwG.png

[nova solstice]

does the staff do anything special?

ngl my only struggle rn is the trees

i still dont got the timing when to proc esp when it smashes 6times lo0l

[keen rapids]

i try to do bow boss click tree, bow boss, bow boss click tree

works well when i dont get interrupted by other shit

[nova solstice]

yeah same ish

but its tough when u get double boulder

u have to think of positoning aswell

so u dont rag urself

[keen rapids]

that was a big struggle for me early on, i try to stand off to the side of the second tree

i think maybe shooting the second tree in the "free" tick between flicks is good

or just after the flicks

[nova solstice]

it rly depends when u get the boulder i guess

if u get one late its kinda fucked

i try to premove like a couple tiles away where the orb is gonna move to

if its late

[main briar]

that's the pecanbread streat

[north axle]

They weren't kidding when they said this boss was like muspah

[dense ginkgo]

so has anyone gotten an elite lol

been playing all day and haven't seen one, just making sure they exist

[main briar]

2-3

[nova solstice]

got 4 earlier

[nova solstice]

LOL

wtf just happened

i skipped car phase

went straight into trees?

on wave 9

that confused me so hard

and i died

[leaden vault]

happens when you dont get to 75% fast enough

[nova solstice]

damn ffirst time thats ever happened

good to know

[small maple]

hit moar bigger

[dense ginkgo]

beg him to let you melee punish more

or click harder

[nova solstice]

yeah that shit made me hit a slump

cant get deep now

gn

[leaden vault]

so are grubs not despawning intended? I don't see it listed on the known issues

[nova solstice]

yea

think so

take the extra time to kill a couple afteru come out of shield

leave the meleess i guess

ive been killing rangers/magers from far if shield gets low

so i can kill melees to proc it to car

and have no shit to deal with

[leaden vault]

yeah i should just ignore the melees ive fucked up placing the car on the rock because of it a few times now

[nova solstice]

yea

[acoustic oak]

are u guys ignoring melee grubs in car phase

[dense ginkgo]

I pop them before the car if I can

[arctic niche]

finaly got past 8 with scobo

[summer mica]

Yo. I have't started Doom yet as wanted to wait until the inevitable bug fixes and methods to be ironed out. There are lots of day 1 guides, but are there any newer guides that people would recommend? Would be going for void scobo

[proven owl]

the boss kinda explains itself tbh

only tech ud need a guide for is the rock block

[proven owl]

so i guess any guide that has the some of the white tiles u see in yowas screenshot above u

specifically the white tiles with an x as well as the two white rows

i dont rly use the corner one

or at least im assuming he has the right tiles marked but whatever guide u find will have them either way

[desert thorn]

already have shadow, i dont think its worth to chase eye no?

[nova solstice]

Good for pnm

[compact shuttle]

Depends on your goals I guess. Its helpful for tob. The spec is potentially still good for shadow but idk much about that

[quaint lion]

You could go till eye or pet

[desert thorn]

purelly from pvm progression perspective, dont care for either pet or clog

[compact shuttle]

Main benefits are for tob and pnm at your stage I imagine

[desert thorn]

missing everything from tob except avernic

and i have not touch pnm

[compact shuttle]

also can be nice for vanguards at cox but I doubt its worth the slot if you have a shadow

if you somehow don't have a bp by now its bis at zulrah

[nova solstice]

I would prob skip it

Sit back wait if ppl find more uses for it

Then decide

Unless u rly wanna mage at tob

[mighty rain]

not bad

brought like 7 sharks in

[burnt lichen]

LOL

[modest rune]

Scobow, no rigour. Does it make sense to bring fortified masori over void if you dont care about death coffer, just starting delve boss. Or is void just straight up meta

[night zephyr]

Void is just straight up better for scobo.

[proven owl]

nice they fixed grubs not despawning

[main escarp]

praise the lord

[weary garden]

Also this

[brazen token]

Great hotfixes so far. Is this one why I can get 1 singular rock for car phase and Reddit tells me I just need to get good?

[proven owl]

rocks being eaten by acid is one of the main brick walls for deep delving

but not rly an issue pre w15-20 or something

[weary garden]

All the scobow no zcb people, do you find it on average hard / impossible to go past 9/10? I feel like acid gets unmanageable at that point

[celest robin]

Acid is a mindset

A few ticks of 6 won't kill you, but letting it distract you and eating a 50 will

[weary garden]

Maybe I just need to try and send it more
Usually I give up with the North or East sides have a considerable amount of acid (or whatever sides you do the car park tech, I don’t remember)

[elfin dove]

I’ve got to 11 with scobow no zcb, but I haven’t been sending a ton since i was waiting for the updates. Acid definitely gets pretty bad but I think to go deeper you just have to accept tanking acid at some points

[weary garden]

My pb is 10, but I may just be giving up too early

[coral basalt]

Usually claiming around 9-10 now since 10-11 ends up being a gamble with the amount of acid at that point

Also feel like this just isn’t a thing, grubs are never spawning on the same side as me

[weary garden]

I feel like this means outside of shield phase right?

[coral basalt]

Maybe, because that’s probably the only time I do see them spawn on my side

[dense ginkgo]

Yeah that's what it means

[buoyant rose]

are they ever fixing this fucking cancel punish start shield phase

bug

this shit is the most cringe thing of all time

like sure fix the null bug and dont fix this shit incompetent as fuck

[dense ginkgo]

They fixed grubs triggering it

Just not projectile delay triggering it yet

Emberlight shield punish so you don't have to react to the bug (and never skip a Leviathan orb without ZCB )

[placid vortex]

havnt looked at loot table, are 1-7 andys big brain or 8+ better?

[plucky turret]

the latter

[placid vortex]

tyty time to git gud

[stuck cape]

1-7 isn’t good but the drops are just not that rare, so even 1-7 isn’t that long to get the items

But it’s a lot worse than deep delves

[dense ginkgo]

It's much closer than farming 300 TOA or regular gauntlet

Assuming it's 1-7 vs 1-10 and not 1-25

[livid marsh]

Just got avernic threads + the cloth from doom only missing eye. I'm thinking about skipping it dunno if its worth to continue delving. I'm basically pre toa geared so thinking to spam toa for shadow. thoughts?

[arctic niche]

there was alot of discussion on eye yestoday

gear prog was updated

its worth getting pre cox/major toa

also with shadow nerf on the way id get regardless also good for tob

[wary oriole]

shadow's not getting nerfed from its current state, they just want to make it scale less hard into the future

[arctic niche]

right i hope thats the case prob is

[north axle]

I will stay for eye so that I can use good sotd without needing magic fang for trident

[proven owl]

do we actually know what decides where grubs will spawn during shield phase btw

it often gets aids with melee grubs after w12 or something cuz i can only hit them when they're 1t from absorbing under the boss

curious if i could plan acid somehow to get less of it in the way

[worldly jungle]

O damn fang is way later in progression now

[deep oar]

hows this chart get dumber every time its posted

[signal cipher]

we dont talk about the chart

[arctic niche]

what do u think is wrong with chart?

[burnt lichen]

Not sure if anyone has shared this idea, but if you see the boss is almost dead at the end of car phase, you can intentionally wait and then on the first attackable tick as phase ends bp->tbow (mid range). This will kill the boss on the right tick to leave trees up at the end of the phase so you can pick a path and clear acid

im guessing it's super precise but I'll have to test and see if a close range tbow ruins it

it might have to specifically be the mid range tbow after the blowpipe

(or close range tbow, no blowpipe and just delay 1t, but that's harder to do)

if any1 else is trying this lmk what works if u stress test it

[arctic niche]

do u think that could work with bp into scobo as well?

[buoyant rose]

the devs must have cancer bro can they fix this melee punish randomly turning off thing

like its so infuriating to take a 40+ lick

for no reason

and losing the punish

not to mention random death because it was dead from a punish but instead it bugs out and i die for it

its like 6th time today that has fucked me

[celest robin]

Wait, a lick like a melee?

[buoyant rose]

yes

[celest robin]

I thought melee punish cancelled into a shield phase

New bug?

[buoyant rose]

it just straight up cancelled its punish, instantly autoattacked as i clicked for a punish

and maxhit me into me thinking i wouldnt have to flick since boss was dead

[dense ginkgo]

Did you kill grubs right before this

I wonder if it's related to the grub fix

[nova solstice]

Correct

Theres only one tick u can kill it on im p sure

[burnt lichen]

my guess is that it would be same

[nova solstice]

Bro ive become so bad

I cant get >13

[proven owl]

ye i took a week break for elite clues and it took a while to get decent again

the grub despawn bug didnt help as well i guess

[nova solstice]

Atleast they fixed that

Im just clicking so bad today

any1 been running sgs for deep btw?

worth a slot or shud i stick to bp only?

[dense ginkgo]

BP gains value if you don't have ZCB right?

since it can skip an orb phase/grub phase

[nova solstice]

i just use it to offset damage taken from zcb

cause it stacks up alot

u get too much spec if ur parking rock anyways cause u cant zcb at start

[dense ginkgo]

if you're running Masori TBow and don't own vambs I wonder if regen bracelet is real lol

[nova solstice]

if u dont lose maxes maybe

cus of 100% accuracy carphase lol

[dense ginkgo]

well that's why I said if you don't own vambs (since bgloves don't give ranged strength)

[night zephyr]

If you don't own vambs and lose maxes from that you should probably just use void

[verbal edge]

i have full bis range, and void is still +5 max hits for me

its crazy how high void hits

1-4 gets a little more annoying though

[north axle]

Full masori bglove is like 0.1 over void it's terrible

[nova solstice]

bro i see mains hit 86s while im here hitting 81s with my ammy arrows

i wonder how many maxes boots give

[wary oriole]

i max 58...

[burnt lichen]

lmfao widega's inventory

[wary oriole]

what are those runes for

[craggy cobalt]

I think it's cure me and death charge?

[burnt lichen]

yea

he's 1t flicking everything

god lol

[main briar]

[north axle]

Can't wait for the 18x divine bastion rec

[nova solstice]

is he the one with rec?

or is that jacko and his god loved friend

[burnt lichen]

yea wiedga has rec rn i think

[nova solstice]

gamer

acgs looks so nice man

[keen rapids]

did widega get a 43? ik he got a 42 but then someone got the rec with 43

[nova solstice]

he has 55 now apparently

i think the 43 was jacko

then widega got 46

[keen rapids]

jesus

[acoustic oak]

Orb tactics and placing rocks makes it look more scripted

Just being able to execute it over and over little mistakes

[nova solstice]

kinda cool how each update makes skilled players more known

[keen rapids]

it was pretty much just grubs and acid that punish you more over time right? and now acid is less so

yea toa gave us gnomonkey and noobtype

[nova solstice]

fr

[proven owl]

feels like pretty much a must to use d arrows if you get boots early and use void

[nova solstice]

looks like hes intentionally slowing dps to force tree spawns

[proven owl]

+5 max hits is crazy value for d arrows

[nova solstice]

Yeah true

Just sucks that the 1tick grubs eat so many arrows

[proven owl]

at least you have boots ^^

[nova solstice]

nah i dont yet

got cloth so far

[proven owl]

oh nvm then at least u get to save ur d arrows

[nova solstice]

maybe u do 2bps to conserve darrows lol

[proven owl]

maybe early waves lol

[nova solstice]

peak ironman gameplay

if the boss dropped them instead of arrows that would be nuts

[wary oriole]

just use d arrows what

what else are you gonna use them on

[nova solstice]

2k cms

[verbal edge]

i think delve is a better use of d arrows than CM, unless going for speedy times

[wary oriole]

this is the most impactful place to use d arrows in the entire game by a large margin

[verbal edge]

since a few extra % dps so often makes the dif between tree skip or not

[nova solstice]

i mean im not arguing that

[proven owl]

what does widega even use bp for

i havent seen him use it to 3t any tbow hits

for late waves i mean

[north axle]

Heal

On the rocks

You hit max BP spec

[proven owl]

is it more healing than acgs

seems weird that itd be worth to bring both then

[north axle]

Dunno

Maybe it's about not overregening

Having room to DC pre shield

[acoustic oak]

I only saw him acgs spec

[nimble crest]

darrow switch for 8+ is tech

[acoustic oak]

I can see it being used to lower the boss hp without killing, if u kill the boss as trees spawn it’s a big clean

He offs boss on purpose to kill as it stands up

[proven owl]

if no zcb then this is for sure good

[nimble crest]

ye nex too scary for me

[nova solstice]

U cant always acgs

So he uses bp instead to not overcap i g

esp during car or trees

i dont think i even saw a hilt in anyones names during my whole nex fiesta

and the only zcb i saw was in my name thank god

[keen rapids]

me over here using rune arrows saving my darrows for CAs

don't have any amethyst

[nova solstice]

widega already up to 38 goddamn

i just calced, boots give +3 maxhits with d arrows XD

83>86

and 0 max hits for amethyst

[keen rapids]

my max with rune no treads is 77 iirc xd

[nova solstice]

god bless your soul 😭

[fast latch]

rune is same max as amethyst with the boots

[nova solstice]

thats kinda sick

4max hits

[night zephyr]

Scobo user here proud of my 55 max.

Tempted to start sending dragon darts here.

16 DPS car phase vs. 15.5

[north axle]

Rune to dragon swap on 8

[nova solstice]

bring in 100 rune arrows

everry run

drop after 8

[fast latch]

see I didn't want to be caught using rune arrows so I still used my amethyst

[night zephyr]

Quiver just holds both why drop?

[nova solstice]

zcb

[night zephyr]

Ah ZCB users

[vagrant trout]

where are you seeing that it's the same max hit? this is with venator ring, it's an even bigger diff with lightbearer

[fast latch]

one day jagex will make the quiver work as polled (won't fix this issue tho)

lb for zcb was my calc

[night zephyr]

I'd like to go back and do this boss with tbow and ZCB one day. Feel what you all feel.

[vagrant trout]

on that note need to start bringing d arrow switch

[nova solstice]

big numbers good

[fast latch]

hmm mby I pressed something weird, I can't find a screenshot

[nova solstice]

widega at 51

[opal lark]

Anyone got some good general strategy for deep delving? Using scobo/ZCB/blowpipe and struggling to get past 9/10. Not sure when I should be using ZCB to maximise skip potential etc

[verbal edge]

i wouldnt even take bp if you have zcb

unless you're trying to get some mega deep like 20+ delves and need the healing

[wary oriole]

ur just going to have to play better i fear

[opal lark]

I see, i was mainly using it for car park dps

[verbal edge]

oh i guess if you're able to dps with it during car then its good

[weary garden]

Anyone know off the top of their head how much dps d arrows adds over amethyst with scobow?

[vagrant trout]

this is with blessed quiver and venator ring

and max treads

[weary garden]

I don’t have venator or max treads, just basic treads. I’ll have to calc my gear when I’m home

[burnt lichen]

widega is on wave 59 rn

[vagrant trout]

that's reg treads and lighty b, prob worth bringing d arrows for a swap

[weary garden]

Damn that is significant. I’ve got a huge stack from going mega dry at CG so I’ll start bringing them

[night zephyr]

https://www.twitch.tv/widega_?sr=a

He's insane

[weary garden]

Unlucky ending damn

[celest robin]

RIP

[night zephyr]

His whole deep delve strat puts my scobo DPS complaining to shame.

Truly a skill issue boss. Purposely delays for acid clear

[split saffron]

with just scobo/void and blowpipe how deep should us meer mortals expect to be consistently getting? like 10?

trying to gauge just how bad i am

[night zephyr]

I haven't been back since the changes, but I was getting to 10 when I started trying to delve deep.

Post changes I think we can push for more honestly

[split saffron]

do you pretty consistently get an orb phase? after like 4 i basically always get one

[night zephyr]

Yeah pretty consistently.

But if you get good at blowpiping car phase you can skip a decent amount after wave 8 due to the reduced HP.

[wary oriole]

wave 8 i almost always get an orb phase with scobo bp, but wave 9+ I can get a skip like 30-50% of the time maybe

[nova solstice]

yes cause he loses 75 hp

past 8

1-8 are the hardest

then its just acid

[keen rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/975790386809274398/1403119956295417906/sidewalk.png?ex=689664ca&is=6895134a&hm=d9c51af0d5247fe3060f07dee1de669a9697cc9543a5fb78204fd4a513489e54&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCnp9qSyjAA

sidewalk tech

[proven owl]

isnt widega doing an improved version of this pretty much

where he adds a boulder for the final slam as well

[keen rapids]

i remember watching him do something like that

[proven owl]

i doubt waiting for second set of boulders is worth it but i would prob do widega tech when its available

[burnt lichen]

u can proc trees on diff tick

bp -> close tbow worked

[unborn girder]

is there a way to time it so if you get tree phase you dont have to flick the exploding projetile attack at same time that you're walking with orb?

[north axle]

no

[unborn girder]

bollocks

[keen rapids]

bollocks

[unborn girder]

anyone else get faked out by doom thinking its meele punish but its actually his shield phase

[summer hound]

yeah i got the radius marker stuff from the wiki for that so he turns blue when shield phase

it was really frustrating at first to chally spec and then realize it was not melee punish

[main briar]

Even without doing this, there's nearly always a boulder in one of these areas by accident, idk

[keen rapids]

Think the idea is to just go vaguely that direction after first boulder

The big takeaway is the lure tiles that don't put you directly in the car's path

So you can keep shooting without ever getting run over

Also learned that the rock is placed 1 tick earlier than I thought

[nova solstice]

bro did they stealth nerf uniques

theres no way ive seen widega do like 4x 40+ runs in a row

and get nothing

[split saffron]

is he not just skipping over them?

[nova solstice]

no

[civic surge]

Has anyone had this happen to them? I was fighting Mokha. I had just finished Depth 5. At the start of Depth 6, I notice I can't attack with my Scobow. I look and see that all of my arrows are gone! In a panic, I POH out.

No arrows in my inventory or in my equipment. But I get to my bank and all of my arrows are now in my bank. I am confused.

[celest robin]

so that's where the grubs are sending our arrows

[north axle]

You died and it got taken out of your quiver

Happens sometimes

[civic surge]

Died? I did not die.

How could I be fighting the next depth if I died?

[wary oriole]

is there any other place you can park the car on top of a middle rock or is it just the two spots east and north

ok i just watched a widega vod and the answer is yes

at least in the east he places it 1 tile west of the normal spot and then baits 1 tile west

[mighty rain]

so like

does holy water just not happen in w8+

[nova solstice]

correct

[night zephyr]

Is that intended?

[nova solstice]

yea

the water the clearing would be absurd

[celest robin]

so weird that it ever clears then

like is it really necessary pre 8

[burnt lichen]

lvl 30 seems to be my limit bc of prayer

no flicking here

[keen rapids]

he can't be stopped

[nova solstice]

regens seem insane even jsut for early waves

if u fllick 1-8

whoever made those graphs with droprates was missing something important XDD

[burnt lichen]

why did 63 take 2hrs 22 min

was he afking a bunch

[verbal edge]

Delayed a bunch for rock placements and acid clearing

[burnt lichen]

i wonder if this place would actually maybe prayer regen pots efficient to get lol

[nova solstice]

they seem insanely op

cause u dont have to pray during shield

and u can flick early waves for profit

[verbal edge]

I don’t think most people are sending runs that are long enough for them to be op tbh

[dense ginkgo]

If a divine wears off during grubs, purposely kill them far from the boss and only refresh the timer with demonbane to milk prayer regen/spec energy

[dense ginkgo]

Especially not irons that have to pick and choose where to spend them lol

[verbal edge]

If you’re shooting for 20+ I bet they’re great though

[main briar]

tbh this is irrelevant for how good ppot is vs regen

[verbal edge]

Prayer regen lasts 32 minutes, and a w15 run is what, a little over 15 minutes?

Even if you’re claiming at 15 that probably isn’t even long enough for a regen to beat a ppot

[weary garden]

probably the best wave 8 loot ive ever seen lmao

[warm cloak]

I will say this boss brought my cannonball stack back up in a big way

[nova solstice]

definitley adds up

[acoustic oak]

Is blowpipe worth over a brew if u have zcb

How often do you pipe over zcb

[main briar]

Cannonballs haven't made much diff, but the ddarts are nice for sure

Ok im not on the "bin thralls" train

[north axle]

By the time you get deep enough to benefit from regens you will clog delve suuper quickly

so you wouldn't use very many regens

[nova solstice]

tbh ive never brought thralls after i got to deeps, do u still need to resummon them every wave?

or do they just stay after 8

[weary garden]

i guess ddarts are worth if you're bp'ing the car phase yeah?

[wary oriole]

yes

if ur not using ddarts i wouldnt even bother

it's already not all that much better than scobo

do we know the max range he can shoot acid when he takes damage?

[dense ginkgo]

I feel like this may be one of the best places to spend dragon darts

[wary oriole]

yep by far

i've probably already saved more time on skipping shield phases than i would over the course of 2k cms lmao

and killing in time to skip mechanics

[dense ginkgo]

Other than attack cooldown reduction (if you're even bothering with that) all of them are going into DPS, they make a significant difference in ttk per dart spent (especially for thrall haters), and they can skip an orb

Also blowing resources somewhere you're likely to die is good

[nova solstice]

FUCK MAN

that run was going somewhere

died at 17 to a stupid little misclick

3 brews left

[wise spire]

no tbow and no zcb is pain

2 minute wave 7s and shit

[north axle]

post patch, nally or chally or scythe or what

with dknoife

[weary garden]

today is my first day trying ddarts and darrows and it feels way more consistent

[main briar]

I didn't realize dragon arrows were only +2 max hits over ammy without treads.... maybe I just don't bother with the swap and bring a blessing instead lol

[wise spire]

62s ttk down to 60s

wish they gave accuracy for the non-shield part maaaaaaaan

[nova solstice]

this might be the most addicting rage send ive had in a bit

more fun than awakened levi xd

[weary garden]

Welp just pulled an Eye, going for the cloth now.
I should be bringing the eye as my mage weapon right?

[main briar]

basically 0 downside other than death fee

[weary garden]

ill take the bump in death fee to passively charge it tbh

and save some aether runes

do you profit charges when using it or not really?

[main briar]

i've gotten +3k in the staff since yesterday

[weary garden]

sweet

[sullen sable]

new pb after getting first w8 yesterday!

Also, where drop

[nova solstice]

bro im seeeing actual endgame ironmen bring regular range pots

0 divines

hurts to see

[tacit slate]

anyone have the big larvae NPC IDs around?

[austere matrix]

Try making the id bold

Looks like 14788 and 14789 i think

[hollow ermine]

whats the most reputable guide here these days

[stuck cape]

I’d still say pecans by far even tho it’s before the buffs

[nimble crest]

pecan got that all you can eat guide

[hollow ermine]

hmm i lost my pendant of ates

better get that one back then

[night zephyr]

Pecan + an additional video on boulder set up/car parking

Can combine with the sidewalk vid linked earlier here

[proven owl]

max cape could be an option to save an invent slot for deep delving

colo from jewelry box > bank > bird

can't say ive looked at how long the various banking options take or what's technically the best option tho

[celest robin]

I dropped ates as soon as I started running out of supplies

The runback from the bird is longer but not that much

[hollow ermine]

ah

[night zephyr]

Yeah it's not too bad. (Don't have any tears so bird is my only option anyway)

I'm considering dropping thralls for +2 slots. I don't really use them that much 6+

[civic surge]

This happened to me again. Literally in the middle of a fight, my arrows vanished and I couldn't attack anymore. Sure enough, I go back home and they're back in my bank.

[night zephyr]

Maybe I need to get better at remembering to summon during shield phase going into car.

[celest robin]

You're not doing something weird like bringing two stacks of different arrows right?

[buoyant sand]

I summon them at the start of shield phase so its one less thing to worry about later, yes they don't attack but from shield phase+ it shouldn't despawn. shield phase = summon thrall + turn off rigour

[night zephyr]

Gotcha. If I summon right at start I won't have to worry about them making more acid after car phase too. Since mine are 1 minute long they'll despawn by the time car phase is over or close to it

[hollow ermine]

its common / expected that this guy stacks special attacks?

[stone dawn]

Such as?

[burnt lichen]

if ur saying rocks + levi orb, yes

would be rare to not see that combo

(if levi orbs are happening cuz u failed dps check)

[hollow ermine]

the garage door attack and boulder thingy

and grubs

[stone dawn]

yes

[proven owl]

wtf is the garage door attack

[hollow ermine]

the one where he brings the shield together and starts shakin

[main briar]

That always comes with a boulder

[proven owl]

the one where u have to melee him always comes with boulder ye

[hollow ermine]

ah

[night zephyr]

It can come without but only after car phase yeah?

[proven owl]

ive always had it with a boulder after car too

[hollow ermine]

ok cool

it looks like he can be instantly whacked when bringing his shield together

[stone dawn]

He brings his shield together for every boulder

Not really distinguishable when its boulder vs boulder + punish

You start to expect it every boulder though

[hollow ermine]

alright, when he start shakin

the question remains, just go wack em?

he shakin -> slap

no delaying

[stone dawn]

yeah

[hollow ermine]

no minmax with the grubs is also tolerable?

shoot and back to boss

[proven owl]

you want to delay w8+ when there are 2 boulders or u can get smacked with an unprayable auto

[verbal edge]

I think the most likely thing here is that you just aren’t withdrawing that many

[proven owl]

dont think it can happen with only 1 boulder at least

[verbal edge]

A glitch that teleports arrows from your player into the bank in the middle of a fight does not sound plausible

[stone dawn]

No minmax needed until you are going for late clears. First 7/8, just ignore grubs outside of shield phase tbh

[proven owl]

ye he prob just withdrew x instead of all

[hollow ermine]

oh lmaoooooo

i thought the grubs caused a 60

bcs i always ignored the garage door attack

[stone dawn]

The more you let in, the more damge they deal to you & heal

[proven owl]

i would kill grubs under the boss unless ur in a hectic situation but ye they hit you for a 1 and heals for 10, scales up 1 on each for every grub

letting a couple in when ur not going for deep delves is perfectly fine

[stone dawn]

Once you start deep delving priorities shift a bit. But generally, every other mechanic is more important to do right than killing grubs, if you have to decide between 2

[brazen token]

This seems like a significant change

[night zephyr]

That is huge

[hollow ermine]

lol

i sent 3 for practice but got the shield face without knowing what it do

nearly killed it tbf

[night zephyr]

You can generally always be close to the boss outside of car phase btw.

You want to be 1 tile away for getting grubs/melee punish

[hollow ermine]

ah

thats preferable?

does he melee except for the deep red orb?

[night zephyr]

Yes, theres no benefit from being that far away and it actively hurts you.

He will melee you rapidly if you are next to him. But 1 tile off is fine he doesn't move.

[hollow ermine]

ah

[civic surge]

Nope nothing weird. Arrows in the main slot

[civic surge]

Nope. I bring my whole stack of amethyst arrows. About 5000.

[celest robin]

Clearly not

Getting a clip of it happening would help, especially with the info box from runelite showing remaining arrows

[verbal edge]

i have never heard of a glitch happening that sends items to your bank from your person, so the fact that it apparently happened to you not just once, but twice, while happening to no one else... idk man

occam's razor and all

please get a clip

[proven owl]

damn the dps skip is actually so much easier now that the shield isnt procced on a player hit

often get an extra hit in