Osto-Ayak (Doom of Mokhaiotl)

[north axle]

seriously what is wrong in that clip

[proven owl]

he talks about it like 1 min after showing the tech

with the thrall and shit

dont hit as its moving

or rock will break

[leaden vault]

holy clickbox

[north axle]

i just went through the whole video

[elfin dove]

new speed run tech: tanking a charged shot during grub shield ends it immediately

dont ask me how i learned this

[proven owl]

https://youtu.be/fLFV4RF5XPE?si=DxAnrKTeIfQYAkmS&t=1244

[north axle]

ah that was later than i thought

thank you

[maiden cedar]

ive seen a d8 drop

not mine but a friends

[night zephyr]

Ive seen one 8 as well, but no 8+

[dusk hedge]

Rn im running 1-6 to try to save on supplies. Only using ppots and sharks. Hoping for some uniques

No luck at 360 delves so far

Gnomonkey being dry at 800+ is making me scared that this is fruitless haha

[maiden cedar]

i cba really grinding out until i know rates tbh

[north axle]

after 5 deep delves I'm switching to 1-7 hardfood resets

hopefully go even on teles?

with gnomonkey rng id be out of dknives

[dusk hedge]

I really hope hes extra dry

[maiden cedar]

i hope a lot of bad things for gnomonkey but i would be banned if i said them here

[north axle]

can you veng the big atatck?

[verbal edge]

yeah you need to be careful, the stuff he spits out during shield phase is clickable

just try not to click thru the area in front of the head during shield phase

[onyx raven]

ty

[night zephyr]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/SWwGSap5vt

Is this true?

[elfin dove]

certainly feels true, i switched to amethyst arrows

just used 150 in one run which feels like an awful lot

[stuck cape]

Yes

[night zephyr]

Damn, it makes sense. I commented on the fact my amethyst stack was going down pretty fast, but just assumed it was a decent amount of delving

[leaden vault]

hope they package d arrow refund with the pet reclaim refund 🙂

[proven owl]

hmm i wonder if ill actually be sent back to the amethyst mines at some point

at least amethyst seems extremely chill with the update to it

[north axle]

gnomonkey has new actual bug abuse tech

[proven owl]

oh he swapped his rock dropping tiles

oh lol i see

does it not work on all sides

[north axle]

north/east

[proven owl]

do you have tile markers?

[north axle]

gonna just go make em

[onyx raven]

why tf i got statues before shield

bruh

yeah im not doing the new gnome tech that seems like some dishonest shit...

[north axle]

i dont think it's even good tbh

it basically shortens car phase

by a lot

so you get less shots on 0def and less shots overall before orb

not a fan

[onyx raven]

how does the healing work is it like if punish damage kills you get a gigaheal?

[leaden vault]

hmm i think holy water spawns if you kill it with the punish before the bonus damage

[north axle]

i think it does either way

but its not a very big heal

[burnt lichen]

these fucking clickboxes man

[wise spire]

bruh

[burnt lichen]

the crevice isnt even as bad as that little hole that opens up in the middle of him

when he attacks sometimes

[wary oriole]

why tf are all of gnomes weapons at the bottom of his inv

[burnt lichen]

idk

btw i tried out his rock tiles and i think that tech is bad

bcuz u need to wait on dps

[leaden vault]

im very good at clicking in between the hitbox

[wise spire]

I actually can't play without him at the top of my screen exactly because of this

I think it's way easier to yellow click when he faces horizontal instead of straight down at you

[worldly jungle]

10/10 file name.

[mighty rain]

first one baby

[vapid lintel]

15 wave 8 attempts 😦

gz damen

[fervent spire]

Hello there, just curious. Gno dropped a new video with boulder drop zones.

Should I learning this tech while being 100 new to the boss or just get basics down first?

Any advice appreciated. Thanks.

[craggy cobalt]

I'm 0% a fan of the gnome tech, people are cooking way too hard to optimize boulders and tanking their DPS to do it

my strat for boulders is to just make him go straight towards the wall, then either straight back towards middle or straight towards the corner, then I move towards wherever the last boulders are and I usually have enough boulders. I do sometimes tank one slam but it normally feels like a skill issue more than a "I literally have no boulders"

[fervent spire]

gotcha

ill just learn the boss mechanics then until delve 6

[craggy cobalt]

And one slam is only like a 30, not too bad

[fervent spire]

and then work on any tech if its a big save long term

thanks chief

[proven owl]

gnome tech prob getting patched out soon anyway

but its most useful for high delves like 12-20 because of acid

[vapid lintel]

feel like they're def patching that yeah

its not too helpful without max gear i feel like

i was trying it and it really only works for the first car phase, in my gear i usually get 2-3 (rarely 1)

so u gotta learn the normal mechanics anyways

[proven owl]

melee larva toxic as fuck lol

[maiden cedar]

Is the rock block tech actually good

[proven owl]

eh depends on which one

i dont think double rocks are good for farming since u have to stop dps

i wouldnt stop dps for the single rock one either but ur pretty likely to get it

its good if u get it but otherwise you should be good at regular nascar too or ur gonna have a bad time

oh clannie posted a streamer clip of the block tech i consider good
https://www.twitch.tv/olen_lahe/clip/BumblingEnticingHareKreygasm-MqM4O3ObdAd1wVEB

this shit is 100% getting nerfed wednesday tho

[maiden cedar]

I feel like they might not

[nimble crest]

ye thats gonna get patched

[maiden cedar]

How does that one work

[nimble crest]

its too easy to setup and negates it

ig u might lose some ticks to setup if you need to scy but thats it

[proven owl]

drop a rock on the single tile and stand on the line to lure, hug wall at end to stop it from charging away

the main problem with this one is it falls off hard at late waves like 14-15

cuz itll be completely drowned in acid

but its solid for farming drops

[craggy cobalt]

Maybe I'm cooking too hard, but what do we think about bringing dclaws in and instead of ZCBing on entry, just regularly DPSing so you can claw spec the punish phase

I think that would push Osto's HP further down for when he starts car phase, making it more reliable to get the earthen shield skip, I feel like when you ZCB into 1-2 tbow he basically instantly procs demon shield and has high HP when he starts the car

I guess I'm missing a lot of info, what percent HP does he even start the demon shield special

[lost wagon]

is there a way to menu entry swap or w/e so u get to left click larva under the boss?

[steady venture]

With custom menu swaps yeah

[craggy cobalt]

the last line is all you need

[burnt lichen]

apparently they are patching the car parking tech

[craggy cobalt]

just putting in "attack,Demonic*" will make it prio over anything not in the list

[burnt lichen]

almost got a 15

honestly executing that tech is friggin hard

but its worth the effort because I can't do car phase without taking damage lol

you have to be able to go sicko mode at the start tho

[jade kayak]

is it just me or is breaking the charge with bow kinda jank? Most of the time it will reset the bar but I keep dying to his full charge when im sure ive shot him

[steady venture]

maybe what you're experiencing is travel delay?

[craggy cobalt]

he decides to fire one tick before the bar looks fully charged

so travel delay hits you

[jade kayak]

possibly

I'll record a few kills then see whats happening

[night zephyr]

If you did want to do this. Chally would be better I believe. He starts the shield at 75% hp. So if you really wanted to you could wait for a melee punish shield around 80% HP, and then chally spec to start car phase as low as possible.

[craggy cobalt]

Tbh I think a reasonable alternative is just to do 1-2 tbows before ZCB speccing post 7

rather than the other way around

[night zephyr]

Yeah that could work

[craggy cobalt]

if he phases at 80% then its 540 HP to phase, call it 550 to be safe, so just tbow until then and then ZCB

[stuck cape]

Scobo spec

[craggy cobalt]

my theory is that I can deal with a double boulder pre earthen shield way better than after

[burnt lichen]

[night zephyr]

If there's a way they could fix it that you can't just get the rock to stay there the whole time and he never does car, I think it would be reasonable.

Like you need to set up multiple rocks like the first gnomonkey tech in vid. Instead of having a guaranteed rock that lives the whole phase.

[night zephyr]

Yeah I stopped scobo speccing. It makes so much extra acid.

[stuck cape]

On the melee grubs that are hard to reach

But that’s only cause I have no spec weapon

The original quest reward was supposed to aoe burn, that would’ve been sick for the grubs actually

[burnt lichen]

https://www.twitch.tv/synq/clip/YummyDaintyMuleOptimizePrime-bpMPdJGs_iplOqBu

how did this happen?

because he ran under?

[craggy cobalt]

it looks like because the phase ended

but that's wacky

[night zephyr]

My guess would be because he phased from killing the blue grub the same tick the shot would have come out

[craggy cobalt]

so strange lol, the nuke in the air can get nulled but if you hit him on the last tick of the charge before he launches it he still fires it

Alright I'm definitely a fan of the changes I've made this morning

ZCB spec closer to 80% HP, and try and get Car to roadtrip as long as possible to fit in extra tbows

I was driving the car straight, and then straight, and then wherever, but I think it's better to drive him into the very corner, then straight, then straight again

[jade kayak]

im 100% failing to break his charge sometimes with scorching bow, I just watched me hit a 0 and his charge continued

oh I see, theres times where he does the charge with protections up and times where he doesnt

[craggy cobalt]

Yeah, pray-mage+range charge break has the same NPC ID as normal, demonic shield charge has a different ID

I recommend changing how his tag for demonic shield so it appears different visually

[jade kayak]

good point I'll do that soon

[past otter]

mind posting how you have your rl settings to show to different phases?

[craggy cobalt]

set up presets in better npc highlight and then add the shielded ID to the "True tile" IDs box

14708:3

[past otter]

thank you

[craggy cobalt]

Descend with confidence, gamers

The warnings work

[jade kayak]

nice gz

[jade kayak]

oooo I didnt know you can have individual colours like that. Thats a lot better than using radius markers to get different colours

[night zephyr]

Was that #3?

[craggy cobalt]

Indeed, this one was on wave 6, I did a wave 7 after and had giga jad hands and barely cleared lol

[arctic niche]

avernic threads on the iron

[craggy cobalt]

No dice, only the Eye that is first in your inventory gets passive tears 😿

[north axle]

sad!

[north axle]

is the eye demonbane or something?

[craggy cobalt]

No, but it doesn't have the target delay that purging staff does, and only puts you on a 3t cooldown

So you can 1t attack things twice, killing a mage grub in 2t and being able to attack after 4t instead of waiting for the purging staff to come off CD

[proven owl]

does anyone know what the punish str bonus thresholds look like

[north axle]

+1 max every 5 str bonus is what i heard

[proven owl]

okay

aranea boots prob good for me then

[north axle]

i an just aranea scythe hit 18s

[stuck cape]

Jraze just dropped a nuke in another disc im in

If you 2t a grub you can 3t tbow the boss

Bc you get the attack cooldown from bp on grub

[north axle]

as in like

bp tbow bp tbow?

[stuck cape]

Tick 1- bow boss
Tick 2 - bp grub
Tick 4- bow boss

[north axle]

more of an early waves thing maybe?

[stuck cape]

Bc hitting grub can happen any time but you get the cooldown from the other wep

[north axle]

or i guess you can do that on any wave

[stuck cape]

Even w8

You get 3 grubs at start

Bow boss, bp grub, bow boss again

Repeat

[craggy cobalt]

does it have to be a range grub

[stuck cape]

It doesn’t matter what style the grub is

No

Just bp it

[craggy cobalt]

or can you just spam on an off prayer grub

[stuck cape]

Yea

[craggy cobalt]

ok that seems wild

[stuck cape]

Yep, it’s insane

Just 3t tbow anytime a grub is around

[north axle]

lil clicky sounds like

[stuck cape]

Every wave whole run

[north axle]

i'll give it a go

[stuck cape]

Yeah

[night zephyr]

got my wave 8 clear no rock tech with the 6k death cost gear

[north axle]

gz

I'm off the rock tech myself

makes me not enjoy the boss

[night zephyr]

havent tried to learn it yet

I think im just gonna send 1-7 or 1-6 resets this weekend with lower supplies

[craggy cobalt]

okay I have solved the car

[night zephyr]

till we know more about rates/potential fixes next week

[craggy cobalt]

I think I've found a way to maximize the amount of shots you get during car phase

[north axle]

i'm gonna guess it is not gnome tech

[craggy cobalt]

My theory is the longer Osto travels, the more time he spends as a car. So you want him to travel max distance around the room

I'm not entirely sure if this is true but it feels like it is

[mighty rain]

Gnomes tech will be patched probably but his placement spots will still be good for boulders

Can Ctrl click when ur praying turns off and have two boulders 2 tiles apart, keeps them close enough to make it so if u run next to osto’s corner tile against the wall u can manipulate him to stay in that corner

Then you run behind the second rock

[stuck cape]

I feel like the only tech that matters is 3tick tbow lol

[craggy cobalt]

So here's my thought: The inner 8 tiles are where you stand on the first car launch from the middle. He fires two shots and ends up directly in the corner, and then you run max distance so he drives in a straight line and shoots 3 shots. This also keeps his explosion pretty mimized, since a corner explosion destroys minimal rocks

[north axle]

so you want him to go to one corner and then down the entire side?

[craggy cobalt]

Now I just need to count the amount of tbow shots I get with this method versus how many someone gets with Gnome method

[north axle]

and then presumably down another side

turning the corner?

[stuck cape]

I think this is good but we need Levi style proc tiles where it’s the minimum distance to get him where you want

[craggy cobalt]

These are minimum

[stuck cape]

Oh nice

[craggy cobalt]

Well for first rush anyway

the next two you can't have exact tiles because boulder placements are random

[craggy cobalt]

Yeah so you go diagonal > straight > straight

[stuck cape]

Yeah, I mean like minimal overall movement, that wold be sick

[north axle]

what are the outer tiles?

[stuck cape]

Like if you can move 4 tiles to redirect him

[craggy cobalt]

And you try and keep max distance from the boss

[north axle]

and can you share please? these seem minimal enough i'll give these a spin

[craggy cobalt]

The corner tiles are just what I was using to measure

[north axle]

gotcha

[craggy cobalt]

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Those are the 8

Caveat: I do not know for sure that this gives you additional tbow hits yet

But I feel like it does

[north axle]

i wouldnt say additional

but it could be maximum

[desert thorn]

if i dont have scy whats the best for punish? I feel chally lacks a lil bit

[north axle]

chally or macs

[desert thorn]

chally since i dont really have a spec weapon (ralos or zcb)

I have been sending maul

[arctic niche]

ye ive been running chally/ultor ring

[night zephyr]

chally if you dont have a spec weapon

[craggy cobalt]

does someone have a VOD of the rock method where osto doesn't move

[north axle]

gnomonkey yt

you get 1 / 0 / 1 attack

during the dash

[arctic niche]

https://www.twitch.tv/synq/clip/TawdryArtsyCaterpillarGrammarKing-52ESFjKCkzb_sCUD i saw this one recently

[craggy cobalt]

I want to know how many tbow shots they get if they hit as soon as they can, before he siwtches back to do earthen shield

[night zephyr]

How many wave 8 attempts you guys take for 1st clear? Feel like 6 attempts wasnt too bad.

[arctic niche]

i think im like 10+ on main just die insta wave 8 rn

[night zephyr]

Pecans explanations of wave 8 saved me

died instantly 4 times before it came out

watched it, immediately got to wave 8 100hp death into wave 8 clear.

[arctic niche]

ye i need to sit down watch tech/vids more been to eager to jump in

[night zephyr]

the charts for earthen shield are amazing too to help with that understanding/surviving since I dont have dps to skip it

[craggy cobalt]

I got 10 tbows in during car phase with this method

[mighty rain]

That’s pretty big

[jade kayak]

any tips for managing acid or is it just a soft dps check? finding it tricky with melee larva going into the big pools of it

[mighty rain]

If you can time it right you can step under osto and hit them in the center

[craggy cobalt]

Idk maybe I'm counting wrong but in Gnomes method it looked like he only got 6

[north axle]

that sounds right

but your method also ends in a corner

not ideal

[mighty rain]

6 hits total or

6 bows and 4 d knives

[craggy cobalt]

Hmm wait in another clip he has Osto going back and forth and he also gets the 10 bows

I think it's clear to me you want the boss moving max distance

Maybe there's a solve where we go middle > corner > middle again

Or middle > corner > opposite corner > opposite corner

Will test

Hmm okay in his actual vod its hard to count, it looks like Osto wakes up after the 7th tbow + 4 Dknive specs

[shadow lion]

Wazzy got wand at 9, and soy duro got treads at 9 too

[night zephyr]

ok at least we have confirms of that

[craggy cobalt]

Okay at least in Gnomes vid his tick counter said he had 43 ticks of DPS window

I'm gonna turn mine on and see if I can increase that

[remote bear]

Anyone know how I managed to click on that 2nd Volatile earth? at the very least i thought i would shoot the grub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UGoIsr6hrw&t=314s

[craggy cobalt]

Okay I used a tick counter, it looks like if you get Mokha to travel max distance each time you get up to 50 ticks of DPS, in gnomonkey's video where Mokha travelled less he only got 43 ticks of DPS

edit: i can't really get consistent data, every other delve has had slightly less than 50 ticks of DPS. more than 43 so it definitely helps to have him go farther but the average is around 46 so it's probably not so relevant

So you can fit in an extra 100% accuracy tbow in there

The cost is that you have to flick more and it's a bit harder to manage rocks

[stuck cape]

I think it’s better that drops are drastically more common at 8, the wave 8 drop rate doesn’t need to be that good compared to 5/6/7 etc

Even if it went 1/600 1/550 1/500 1/450 1/400

thats 1/165 for someone stopping at wave 6 and 1/66 for someone stopping at wave 10

[wise spire]

bruh, the melee shield NEEDS a cooldown

b3b right at the start of 8, ended up laying so many rocks I couldn't get into melee

[stuck cape]

What r u procing it with? It should stop after 2 bc you hit the threshold right?

Unless ur just using emberlight

[wise spire]

I had to emberlight there because of how quick he threw them out right after boulders

[stuck cape]

Boppers good

[wise spire]

just trying to smack the shield off and get back into rhythm

[worldly jungle]

Pin request #1393419290589265960 message

[dense ginkgo]

Having a 1 click teleport in the middle of your swaps is crackhead behavior wtf

[arctic niche]

tele house is right click i changed it cuz i tped out at bandos one time

[dense ginkgo]

I meant the Talisman of Ates

Unless you don't have left click swapped

[arctic niche]

ye i have it as rub but idt id ever click location after

definitely just inv managing issue my inv always goes all over the place in general

never been good at it

[north axle]

pb

time to become a humble 7 farmer i think

[dense ginkgo]

Does darklight actually lower your fee? For me it doesn't, only skull sceptre

[north axle]

yes

[night zephyr]

Oh dang I need 5 KC to be on the hiscores still?

I think I'm still just gonna chill and do 1-7 until we get info on rates/changes next week

[craggy cobalt]

This doesn't seem very useful but apparently you can axe-skip the car

car is so weird, I keep looking at the number of ticks he's damageable in car and it varies a lot

[night zephyr]

Car skip!

timing that consistently seems tough

[wise spire]

doom is on loot tracker now btw

[deft estuary]

is there tile markers for that?

[weary garden]

Is it? What’s the alternative if I don’t have scythe or boppers?

[dense ginkgo]

I have boppers but no ZCB so Chally still feels worth it to me

[weary garden]

Yeah I don’t have zcb or knives so I’ve been rolling with chally

[wise spire]

man chally on 8 is impossible

might unironically switch to boppers just for the chance to actually get past the start

[dense ginkgo]

Floor 7 farmers win again

[dense ginkgo]

is that regular void or something

what am I missing

[plucky turret]

ye

[dense ginkgo]

xd

[mighty rain]

I like it

i stand at the gnomemonkey rock placement tiles and do the same strat he does for when boulders + melee shield happen

ctrl click boss with chally in hand right when my prayer turns off

lets me poke him from a safe distance, avoid the 2 boulders, and pray flick the moment i get the xp drop

[dense ginkgo]

genuinely considering taking macs and chally for farming

I feel like I can give up the slot and there's times where I just don't have the spec

it's either that or I just don't bring toenails to make sure I always have enough spec

7 weapons for a "single style" fight is very funny

[onyx raven]

can you switch worlds mid run

nope

[past otter]

is ralos still worth bringing with zcb?

[winter idol]

is there a pattern to the falling rocks outside of one always falling on your tile?

[craggy cobalt]

I don't have a Ralos but I can't see myself bringing one if I did, more ZCBs are good

[dense ginkgo]

instances can't be kept open when every player in them logs out, and an instance needs to stay open for ground effects to persist, that's why you can't at Colo either (the permanent sand)

(and world switching includes logging out)

[nimble crest]

how troll is it to drop botd/thralls

would save me 2 inv spaces

[north axle]

i don't see why you would

how deep are you delving

[nimble crest]

f8+

only care about survivability

[north axle]

you don't really need them ig

but they do help dps check

[nimble crest]

yeah, just wondering how long it saves

[north axle]

also i like chally > scy

but that reqs spec

[wise spire]

aight I think I'm solidly on the d7 and reset crew now

8 is just so punishing if you don't crack the dps check

[north axle]

i keep saying that

and not doing it

[wise spire]

tbf when the loot is shit, which is 99% of the time, it's easy to click descend

[weary garden]

If you don’t have uniques what’s the point of not trying f8 to get more comfortable

Not like any of the normal loot is good lol

[wise spire]

tears really

you need tears to make the boots and stuff

also time

[nimble crest]

f8 is pretty rough without good dps

[north axle]

1-7 are 0 ehb

[nimble crest]

but id prcatice it

[verbal edge]

it doesnt take that long to hit 22k tears when you start claiming

[north axle]

simple as

[verbal edge]

im already over 20k and my total delves isnt even 500

[weary garden]

Seems like tears aren’t gonna be a huge issue tho yeah? I’ve got 2k and I’ve barely claimed

[nimble crest]

ye lmao game actually reweards skil lwith ehb lol

[verbal edge]

people are only low on tears rn because they're suiciding every run by pushing highest wave possible

[weary garden]

Might as well keep going until you can make it to 8, dps check or not. Then start claiming

[verbal edge]

the 1-7 claim strat is probably good imo

[nimble crest]

tears non issue ill just 25 min afk tears whenever i need to leave the house

[north axle]

i don't see myself using more than 25k tears lifetime

it's boots + gloves + nylo room

and you can substitute gp

[weary garden]

Exactly. I don’t really see the point in stopping at 7 at all. Worse case you die on 8 and lose out on 500 tears and other junk

[verbal edge]

like half my runs have aether

aether is pretty valuable

[nimble crest]

moon half keys tho...

we insta claiming

[weary garden]

That’s a good point

[verbal edge]

between aether/moon key/teles most of my runs feel worth claiming at 7

if its truly garbage then i send 8 but usually theres something juicy

[weary garden]

I’ve claimed a few aether and sunfire splinter runs

Does KC only count if you clear 8?

[leaden vault]

1k splinters ez claim tbh

[north axle]

i can do 1-7 twice in one inv

probably breakeven on teles longterm

[night zephyr]

I bring 3 ppots 1 divine and the rest bwans

I still make enough mistakes that sometimes I have to bank after 6 clear

[weary garden]

Dang, 3 pots. I’m wasting so much prayer then lol

[dense ginkgo]

during grub phase, turn off your overhead and if the isn't acid in the way then lazy flick

[weary garden]

I think im gonna switch from brews to karams
I don’t think im making enough mistakes to justify it anymore

[nimble crest]

like idk is this even worth claiming

would rather chance my luck even with no supps

[main briar]

I can't see ever claiming on no uniques unless I'm completely out of brews

Most of the reg loot is stuff that I value at basically 0 other than alchs and darts

[wise spire]

for me it's just the demoralizing feeling of dying to something stupid

[craggy cobalt]

the thing is that it takes either 1-2 minutes to complete wave 8 or 10 seconds to die to it, so when your loot is garbage you might as well try

[wise spire]

rather claim and maintain my sanity

[craggy cobalt]

and the loot is always garbage

[wise spire]

also death fees are a thing

[north axle]

I'd value 100 ddart tip over another cloth tbh

[craggy cobalt]

idk I died enough wave 8s that I kinda understand the prayers now

[main briar]

Oh no, not my 60k in coffer gp

[craggy cobalt]

as long as you pray you can just tank the stone fall

[wise spire]

bruh I've lost 5m in coffer already

[craggy cobalt]

it's not pretty but it works

[oblique acorn]

what’s your setup to have 60k coffer deaths

[main briar]

Void lol

[oblique acorn]

void?

niceeee

Might be a play haha

[wise spire]

I need to swap emberlight for a silverlight or something

still sitting at 100k

[dense ginkgo]

I like being able to bop with emberlight when dealing with melee grubs

(to refresh the demonbane charge timer)

[craggy cobalt]

yeah I just chucked an avernic and a couple fangs into deaths coffer

[dense ginkgo]

skull scepter > purging staff for sure though

[craggy cobalt]

would rather save maximal time and give myself maximal odds to clear delve

[dense ginkgo]

61k reclaim

[desert thorn]

if i dont boppers for punish can i use glacials whatever the name is

or sulphur blades?

[north axle]

yes

[desert thorn]

or has to be boppers

[north axle]

but dont

[desert thorn]

elaborate

[north axle]

arclight better

[desert thorn]

is it bad

really

[north axle]

for grubs

and chally for punish

is really good

[desert thorn]

I use chally but sometimes i dont have spec

[dense ginkgo]

if you're not pushing floors then having a backup for chally is nice

[north axle]

oh zcb?

[desert thorn]

na uh

[dense ginkgo]

I use toenails

[north axle]

dont

[desert thorn]

sometimes moka decides to use like 4 shields in a row

[north axle]

im toenails hater now

[nimble crest]

ralos only good for f1-f4

[dense ginkgo]

I'm definitely iffy on them

[dense ginkgo]

no toenails no macs would be +2 inventory

[nimble crest]

are you just bringing arclight then

[desert thorn]

current setup

note that i have not done a single wave 8

having skill issue

i can get there somewhat consistently now tho

[north axle]

I have been convinced t hat def reduction as a whole is bad

[desert thorn]

either that or scobo specs

[north axle]

you spend half the fight on 0 def anyway

i just brought drag bp because i have excess spec

but it's mostly just chally spam

also those boots should be prims

[craggy cobalt]

yeah this is what I settled on as well

[desert thorn]

why do you have amethyst and darrows

[north axle]

amethyst 1-7

[desert thorn]

lol

smart

[verbal edge]

this is my setup for 2x 1-7 per trip

[desert thorn]

where do u use bp?

[north axle]

better dps than tbow

on car in safespot

[desert thorn]

car phase?

[north axle]

(only when speccing)

[desert thorn]

2 bp specs guaranteed to hit sounds nice

[craggy cobalt]

This is what I've set on, I've thought about adding bp

[north axle]

don't have zcb / don't want to use dknives

[craggy cobalt]

would be nice for 3t tbow in delve 1-3 but that's hard to do

Tbh this boss is also probably one of the places I should be using aether runes

[north axle]

I'm not consistently survivng till out yet

[desert thorn]

also any non corrupted quivers users do you profit in here cause I have done 281 delves and i have literally 1 splinter drop

[north axle]

go uncorrupt

[desert thorn]

but i want to kill funny car boss man

[verbal edge]

loot tracker didnt work first couple days btw

[north axle]

you dont get many

[verbal edge]

so you probably have more than one drop

[desert thorn]

I dont

I know cause i have been using a uncharged one

[craggy cobalt]

this is my loot from mostly wave 8 claims

really not a lot of splinters/delve

[desert thorn]

rough

[verbal edge]

wave 7 claims

idk i dont think the loot is as bad as people are saying

[desert thorn]

I think i might just send a couple of colo runs

or even a singular run

[craggy cobalt]

darts are nice, rest is trash

[verbal edge]

darts and aether is decent

[craggy cobalt]

end game boss should drop all dragon ammo ino

[main briar]

It's like fine, but I really can't see any combinations of that shit that would make me want to leave when i could send another wave

[desert thorn]

if i run amethyst i literally loose 2 max hits if i use an uncharged quiver kinda cringe im gonna be honest

[main briar]

unless it;s like 1k ddarts

[craggy cobalt]

wave 8 should guarantee an extra tp

[verbal edge]

ultimately i think its just going to come down to how hard rates scale

[north axle]

wdym

[main briar]

Also like people actually giving a shit about aether

[north axle]

banking either way

[main briar]

[verbal edge]

i would like to use aether everywhere

permanent +1 inv space in raids

[main briar]

I just don't value mild qol that high

[north axle]

i urgently need more of a resource i consider and will consider too scarce to ever use

[wary oriole]

the afk tears method is free af too, 25min afk for like 600 tears or something?

[main briar]

and also have more than enough to use for every raid currently i think

[desert thorn]

d arrows and aether

plenty of scarce resources imo

[ripe obsidian]

Toa setups have seen insane QOL with these latest setups lol. I'm pretty sure you dont even bring a magus ring anymore with max mage since it hits cap, and aether runes, etc. 3 more invent spots gained if you didnt smuggle deaths

[main briar]

I have never taken a magus into toa, not potting rec etc

[night zephyr]

I used like 2k splinters on my quiver before realizing I don't even get a max with scobo when using it. I just took the L on the 2k and uncharged it. Stopped wasting them. CBA to do a Colo run without any megas.

[main briar]

How is it a waste now that they're saved?

Also wwd on spec now with no zcb? Someone was saying chally sucks and scy is just better, but now i'm just sitting on full spec most of the time

[desert thorn]

can someone explain this tech to me, funny gnome man puts a singular rock on the rock tile and uuuh moka just chills there for the entire car phase?

whats going on man

[craggy cobalt]

you put the rock on the rock tile and then moka just chills there the entire car phase

that's how people have gotten wave 20s

[desert thorn]

hot take that seems like a bug

thats getting fixed tomorrow morning lmao

[craggy cobalt]

it's good for deep delving but I'm not convinced it's good for farming

you lose a tbow shot I'm reasonably certain

[wary oriole]

i just ralos and dont use the rest

in related news i'm hoping to start nex soon

[main briar]

I will go back to nex soon

[wary oriole]

i'm looking for duo and trio partners

basically no exp tho just like 30kc years ago

[craggy cobalt]

heavy ballista spec and then use pipe on a grub to reset your attack cd

or dark bow spec 👀 tbh that might not even be that bad if you can make it work /s

[main briar]

don't have one of those

[night zephyr]

You lose corruption progress if you uncharge your quiver. I didn't have enough splinters to keep it going, so I just took out what I had to not lose them all

[leaden vault]

yellow click simulator

[north axle]

if you don't miss ticks afterwards, scy > chally, especially in early waves where you aren't proccing shield

but chally is not much worse, it also lets you proc shield from not in melee distance and flick the double orb, and proc 1t sooner on 6/7/8 if you are doing rock tech

so bring both

bp ddart SPEC is better than tbow but it's pretty whatever

webweaver is about the same if you proc poison and get multiple hitsplats

both are super marginal

[main briar]

I'm still real bad so probably better off with pots than extra items

[north axle]

replace souls with a brew if using aether

if you aren't going to proc shield phase, kill the boss, or immediately spend 7t flicking 2 orbs, scythe, otherwise chally

prim/ultor is a chally max threshold

I bring darrow for 8/8+ but you can use whatever

[craggy cobalt]

Spooning boots has gotta feel good, you can bring scy+fero and exactly hit a threshold

[north axle]

if i was doing 1-7 resets id add fero ranc

and probably bin chally

[main briar]

No knives?

[north axle]

they would be good but i don't have very many

keeping for difficult ca etc.

[craggy cobalt]

knives are better than bp but only if you bring buckler, otherwise they're close to two bp specs

[north axle]

how do people have all these knives

i have 1k after 3k hydra

[main briar]

1k is a lot lol

[north axle]

4 spec = 8 knive = lose more than 1 knife per kc

so it's like 15 hours of delve 8?

ballpark

I don't think I could dknife spec for log rate

[main briar]

quiver

[north axle]

That's with quiver

you expect to lose 1.6 knives every time you 4 spec the boss

gnomonkey has probably used more knives already than I have and he's gotten nothing

[main briar]

how is 1 per kc 15 hrs of the boss

[worldly jungle]

Is there something I can read that explains the pathing hiding behind the slam? I keep getting hit when I feel I should be safe.

[north axle]

it's like muspah I think?"

[buoyant sand]

Maybe I'm missing something but are you sure about this? I previously charged mine up to 5% when doing Nex with whatever I had and it naturally ran out/uncharged and maintained 5%, now since Delve and getting a few more splinters I've put them back in and it's climbing again at 6% (5% original + 1% new)

[north axle]

when in doubt, diagonalize

[dense ginkgo]

yeah I have 4 tile radius markers on for this

lets me move and attack at the same time to dodge the rock + be out of melee range

[worldly jungle]

Okay so for a long L I can just default to diagonal and it works?

[buoyant sand]

makes sense if the whole thought is "it goes diagonal first then straight, opposite of us" > so just force diagonal?

i've been trying for long + straight but there's still always little annoyances in the way and it jukes me, so maybe diagonal is the play

[night zephyr]

Maybe I needed to just let it naturally uncharge then? It gave me a message that it would lose progress so I said screw it

[buoyant sand]

that's my plan at least, based on how i've seen mine behave...so you went through with the confirmation and actually observed\ the imbue disappear? or you stopped at the warning message?

[night zephyr]

I went through.

I can add 1 splinter and see if it saved actually

didnt think of that

[buoyant sand]

yup noted on wiki, same with the trouver parchment issue, but nothing about the natural use, mine's maintained the imbue

[night zephyr]

Interesting

Damn if I knew that I would have just stopped adding splinters

would be good to add to wiki

[buoyant sand]

it also says that <1500 splinters is <1% so it will show 0%, not sure your test of 1 splinter will really work

[night zephyr]

I had 1% on it before I uncharged

I know that for sure

its 0% now after adding 1

[buoyant sand]

yeah so irrecoverable loss when manually uncharging

[night zephyr]

only -2,000 splinters. Not too big of a deal.

Just got a 1,400 drop from my wave 4 reset cause I forgot venom lol

[main briar]

hmm ig lb is pretty uselss if im not ralosing

[buoyant sand]

you mean because you just W1-4 ZCB start, W5+ ZCB car? And it naturally lines up with 2x death charge?

[main briar]

I don't have a zcb

[north axle]

absolutely

[mighty rain]

do people zcb on entry?

[proven owl]

i zcb entry during early waves and if im starting a wave with 80%+ spec and dc

for wave 8+ i zcb nascar

[mighty rain]

shield phase procs at 75%

wonder if ZCBing right before it procs is worth

so then u have a lot less hp to deal with at start of nascar until orb start

[proven owl]

ye the only issue is your tbow can hit pretty hard so ur gonna end up proccing without zcbing sometimes

and zcb does only have 80% accuracy or whatever so u have the risk of missing

[mighty rain]

that's fair, and it always hits on nascar right

[proven owl]

ye

[craggy cobalt]

this is what I've been doing, it feels pretty good but also kinda sucks when you ZCB the same tick he does pray range

[weary garden]

are people still bringing str bonus switches or nah?

[proven owl]

i bring ferocious, rancour and aranea boots with scythe

[north axle]

now that I've done more BP I really really like it

[proven owl]

the 3t tbow tech or just bp spec cuz no zcb

[north axle]

the latter

but also like being able to top up pre 8

[main briar]

what 3t tbow tech?

[north axle]

tbow bp x tbow bp x

bping grub resets attack cd like dthrownaxe

[main briar]

oh neato

[north axle]

very tedious in practice ime

[proven owl]

wr video for this content is gonna be insane

bping grubs while flicking double boulders lol

[night zephyr]

I was trying with scobo and it was a lot of effort

Cause you still gotta make sure to kill the grub before it goes in

Interesting I typed about this the other day for using maccas correctly with no delay but didn't put two and two together to do it with a 2t weapon

[dense ginkgo]

got to be even more effort with tbow since you need a demonbane hit to reset the timer right?

[night zephyr]

You can do it with blowpipe/knives

[dense ginkgo]

unless you just mean lone grubs

[night zephyr]

0 tick to attack grub applies to any weapon. So you do tbow boss, BP grub, tbow boss

Your 2nd tbow has bp cooldown from attacking grub

[dense ginkgo]

I mean during the stream of them

[night zephyr]

Yeah it's more of a thing to do with lone/far away grubs unless you really want to increase your APM a ton

[dense ginkgo]

you'd have to look at if you can wait 3 more ticks to scobo(?) the boss then if you can do tbow->bp->scobo and if not scobo->bp->tbow

[orchid summit]

where my 1-7 grinders at

16kc at delve 8 cbf anymore shits ridiculous

[night zephyr]

I've been doing 1-6 because I keep making silly mistakes

Mainly yellow clicking boss or getting meleed instantly out of shield phase

[orchid summit]

just bringing hard food?

[night zephyr]

Yeah bwans and a couple ppots

[proven owl]

surely brews are better even if ur doing 1-7

just go again after you complete the first one

walk over is way too long to be using hard food

[orchid summit]

banking tps tho

[night zephyr]

Would rather save brews in case I need to do 8+ runs for decent rates

Just perfecting boss mechanics using hard food for now

Gnomonkeys log scares my brew stack.

[orchid summit]

wait do you have delve 8 completions yet?

[kind sandal]

lol

[keen rapids]

https://www.twitch.tv/gnomonkey/clip/ResoluteArborealGoldfishGrammarKing-_EqDvTx8Gcwk-G0I

[kind sandal]

I think that may be enough to skip orb

[main briar]

what the heck

[verbal edge]

glitch or tech

[kind sandal]

17min for that

[keen rapids]

so apparently this happens when you don't kill grubs under the boss

[main briar]

oh so just a meme

[keen rapids]

you get more damage the longer the shield phase lasts

idk it could be viable for cheesing wave 8s

[kind sandal]

He said you can probably do it with 3min of milking

[keen rapids]

i.e. skipping the earth shield spec

[main briar]

0 chance that's actually worth though

[keen rapids]

well not to that extent

and maybe for wr dives

[verbal edge]

could maybe cheese an infinite number of waves?

if you're willing to wait it out

[kind sandal]

6hr log would stop you but yeah

[keen rapids]

6 hour log

[verbal edge]

6 hour log is the real final boss

[north axle]

he said full boss hp was just 3 mins of milk?

and better to use cursed ammy of magic/ demonbane rather than brewed down darklight

[kind sandal]

Yeah he said that right after he killed it

Sorry not exacly what you said, eh said you could probably do it with just 3min of milk

that attempt was 17min because he wanted to be 100% sure it would kill

[night zephyr]

I cleared once, but I'm a scobo no ZCB, so don't wanna push further till updates/rate info to see if it's worth it

[orchid summit]

ya i feel that. i already got treads/staff and cloths available at 2+ so figure its not worth me breaking my keyboard over 7/8

[leaden vault]

is it based on phase time or grubs killed?

[hybrid hawk]

For racecar punish if you're not using dknives is the next best option just tbow/scobow? No additional switch worth bringing?

[night zephyr]

Zcb > d knives > blowpipe

[mighty rain]

i killed all the slugs before they reached osto but

i scorching bowed the entire time for dmg

got a 63 hitsplat

[leaden vault]

the forbidden tech

[keen rapids]

killing the grubs before they reached the boss was literally what i was doing day 1 before looking at guides

i had the right idea

[wary oriole]

hope u guys didnt brick ur accounts by getting darklight rather than silverlight...

[dense ginkgo]

luckily demon slayer is a requirement for wgs

[proven owl]

lmao clannie's clog is pretty funny

ngl i wouldnt be surprised if there is no weighting to different floors at all and this is the only loot scaling in place

still makes deep delves a good bit better even without any extra weighting to late floors

[verbal edge]

i would be surprised if it scaled that little

[wary oriole]

we already have the same loot system at colloseum i dont see why they would change course

[proven owl]

i could see them wanting to make this more accessible to noobs

[nimble crest]

It’s worth going deep for sure imo but maybe not if you wipe

F1-5 doesn’t give pet D:

[dense ginkgo]

hope that's me in a couple days

[north axle]

I've gotten a few deep delves but it just doesn't feel consistent

I'm 50 50 on surviving the earth ball double orb tbh

Need to re watch pecan vid

[proven owl]

ye earth ball double orb is pretty rough especially when its spamming double orbs as ur setting up the ball

im pretty consistent on deep delves but only because most of them don't make it that far lol

[wise spire]

Is this possibly the content in which max gear has the biggest actual effect?

Being able to skip double boulder orb phase with any amount of reliability is huge

[proven owl]

only really tbow

max gear is meh

void works just fine

and dragon knives work instead of zcb

[green coyote]

what helped me a lot was how malgoatkirby explained what to do, right as the first ball explodes, you walk two tiles, and you start the prayer cycle after the 2nd explosion, after first three hit you, you have one tick of nothing into another prayer cycle

[wise spire]

Yeah I'm more referring to tbow/d arrows/zcb or reliable source of knives

[green coyote]

dont need to walk either can just sprint if u want

[wise spire]

Also tbow is what, 80% of what makes up "max gear"?

[proven owl]

ye this is prob one of the most impactful places for tbow

wait a minute

now that we have tech to hold the boss in place for nascar couldnt we scythe him

dps is way better for nascar phase with scythe

ud still need some range gear to lure out the rocks and stuff tho

[wise spire]

What if you just do a 4 way melee swap?

[proven owl]

scythe wins with rancour, ferocious, ultor and aranea boots but its not by much

for it to actually be worth it i think u want to bring almost full melee

[wary oriole]

that tech is getting patched out so i wouldnt cook for it

[wise spire]

The rock in the middle blocking slam in all directions will stay in though right?

Just the locked in place will get parched?

[proven owl]

id expect both to be patched but i havent seen any dev responses

[wise spire]

Can't wait to die to random rock placements leading to a full room clear on first slam

[stuck cape]

What about 3tick tbow, I wonder if that was intentional with the whole 3t Yama mechanic

[buoyant rose]

cant believe the stalling the car tech isnt gone yet

so obviously not intended

[stuck cape]

They won’t update till Wednesday surely

[burnt lichen]

i bet they do something on monday

[proven owl]

what's going on with the holy water

ive gotten it multiple times and it doesnt heal anything

even when i stand in the explosions

[night zephyr]

I have yet to get healed by it as well

[buoyant sand]

Wiki says:

bit of a strange threshold

[past otter]

i swear ive been healed when i was at 71 for like 1 hp

[keen rapids]

thrall blocked me from clicking a tree to summon the earth shield lol

shit game

[craggy cobalt]

What's everyone's global cumulative 1-8 completion time? I'm wondering how mine stacks up

[keen rapids]

hard stuck wave 8

[kind sandal]

Data not found.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm grinding 1-7s as much as i can with the rock tech, i have a feeling they will patch that soon

[keen rapids]

most likely yea

it should feel nice that even if i dont beat wave 8 im still getting unique chances but it still kinda feels like shit never actually "killing" the boss

[nimble crest]

idk the boss doesnt ever end it doesnt feel complete w8

first time clear is nice tho

[keen rapids]

thats kinda what im sayin

[stuck cape]

You don’t ever get kc if you don’t kill w8, no ehb either

Oh replied to wrong message

My pb with scobo, no tbow no zcb no scy, is 9:30

[north axle]

0 ehb

[north axle]

fighting my fucking demons here

[fickle bobcat]

is rockblock being patched 100% confirmed?

[north axle]

yes

[nimble crest]

is there a consistent way to protect from the 3 shockwaves without rockblock

[north axle]

skill

[nimble crest]

ye i figured

need enough rock conservation somehow

• doing that without losing dps

i dont think that will always be possible

[craggy cobalt]

I can consistently get at least 2 rocks with my current method

but sometiems I'm out for rock 3

[desert thorn]

same

[keen rapids]

will nulling a shockwave by positioning him on top of a rock be patched?

cause that seems actually decent skill vs reward

[north axle]

imo nonzero chance we get compensation nerfs

reddit will be pissy

removing rockblock will increase the zcb/nozcb gap

[proven owl]

im fully expecting the "standard" way of killing the boss becoming way easier after they're done patching

[craggy cobalt]

honestly the doubel boulder prayer flick + move is way more palatable now that I'm getting practiced at it

and the earthen shield patch was actually massive

you can exit orb for a tick and you're still safe, and if you quickly path back in you're also fine

so really the car portion is where I take the majority of damage now

if people find a consistent method on guarunteeing 3 rocks that also upkeeps 100% DPS uptime and doesn't make you have to wait to drop a rock before proccing shield then I feel like doing the boss properly is fairly reasonable

especially if they make it so thralls don't add acid

[stuck cape]

The boss only moves to 4 tiles behind you, so I think the general strat is just to not move him that much, after the shock , get close to him, so he doesn’t move as much

The move he moves the more rocks he destroys

[craggy cobalt]

Yeah my current method is to have him drive into the corner and then reposition from there

but sometimes the rocks all drop in that corner which is when I run out

[north axle]

am i insane

or would it normally phase into the demonbane shield under 75%

or is this cause my thrall isn't up

[arctic niche]

how u dealing with placing rock when u have to melee him?

[ripe obsidian]

I’ve had enough time to run forward right when the rock explodes

[craggy cobalt]

okay I've tried a few runs without thralls at all

And there is significantly less acid in the room

[north axle]

but

you're also significantly lower dps

[buoyant sand]

α = 0.50 kind of significant

[dense ginkgo]

You could wait to thrall until car phase on 6+ right

Doesn't DPS not matter until then for skipping a Leviathan orb

[grizzled comet]

ok i've started to send some casual kills at this boss - does he have some function to eat the fuck out of your weapon swaps? i swear like 75% of the time when i try to switch to a melee weapon and then the boss somehow my character keeps the scorching bow equipped

[nimble crest]

thrall is -2 inv in my setup

[dense ginkgo]

Don't get hit by the falling rock

[grizzled comet]

guess that could be it

[north axle]

what are you running?

[dense ginkgo]

It's like getting bounced at Verzik but only for a tick or two

[nimble crest]

tbow dc scy,darklight,sceptre dknives rest pots

[north axle]

hm dknives do you have

[nimble crest]

150

just for f8s

[north axle]

i should probably just use mine tbh

pre car nerf

[dense ginkgo]

They're nerfing the car?

[north axle]

no more free parking

[dense ginkgo]

Oh that kind of nerf

Thought you meant making it easier

[craggy cobalt]

yeah I just am not convinced Dknives are the play, such short range so if you can't cheese the car it seems sus

I feel like people should just try and learn the shield + boulder flick, after the shield changes it's a lot more manageable as long as you dodge the initial boulder that stuns you

[north axle]

wew

i was insane not using my knives

this is so much better

[fallow terrace]

where are yall getting your knives

[north axle]

3x rate for lance

[fallow terrace]

ahhh see

im just farming 1-6 rn not good enough to hit 7-8 consistently haha

[leaden vault]

surge pot should refresh on each delve 🙂

[arctic niche]

just when i was finaly getting car parking down gona bin the bp

definitely should be patched for sure though

[night zephyr]

Was car parking removed already?

I was gonna abuse that today for some faster BP kills :(

[leaden vault]

still working

is he immune to poison during car?

[plucky turret]

so bp during car if i dont have knives right?

or is it working on wiki calc then ill just check

[craggy cobalt]

BP ddarts spec is comparable to dragon knives no buckler spec, slightly worse and you only get half the duration speccing but still better than tbow/scobo hitting on car

[plucky turret]

oh so only spec matters?

i have a buckler wonder if theres other options

[onyx raven]

if u milk spec you can do 1 zcb 1 dknife and its giga consistent

[plucky turret]

that might be interesting

dont have any of that shit sadly hence asking for bp

but if its just bp spec that doesnt really help me

ty

[wise spire]

I'm gonna give the bp a shot and see how it goes

probably ass given the attack range but you never know

[arctic niche]

nah i heard they are soon been hearing monday from ppl

[wispy knot]

For the Nascar phase, dragon knives have an incredibly bad supply issue. What's an alternative, amethyst darts or just camp scobo

[craggy cobalt]

Has anyone figured out why sometimes in earthen shield you only get one ball attack, and other times you get two?

[wise spire]

RNG

[fickle bobcat]

rng if you get dps during car to skip boulder, rng if you get a nice long straight boulder shield path, rng if you get gigatroll double sweat attack if youre walking the shield

[arctic niche]

ive been bringing blowpipe ddarts im sure bp ame darts win to

[dense ginkgo]

EZ claim

give me the teleports mang

[wise spire]

man there's so many bugs still

he turns on the prayers but then randomly turns them off

go in for a chally and then get hit 99

[nimble crest]

it probably went into shield

[wise spire]

yes that's what I mean

he goes to shield, flashes the prayers to make you think it's melee

but then turns them off

because it isn't melee, it's regular shield

[leaden vault]

hmm bp for regular attacks on car phase is a lot better than scobo

[night zephyr]

I added his shield phase as a different color tile highlight. So you know for sure when he goes there.

[leaden vault]

d knife specs -> bp seems really good on car stuck

[north axle]

it's fucked

he can do that

but also do the reverse and not switch to demonbane at 74.9%

so you get fucked either way

[north axle]

how do you do that?

same npc id

[night zephyr]

The demonbane shield

Not melee shield

[north axle]

is that not still the same npc id

[night zephyr]

That one is different

[north axle]

oh interesting

[ivory ravine]

I tried blowpipe and feel like I’m missing a million ticks running to the rocks

[dense ginkgo]

is this percentage the same for every floor from 5 onwards

[north axle]

yes

[night zephyr]

It should be from 3 onwards I thought always 75%

[north axle]

but it's also not fucking consistent

it doesn't always work

but that is generally the percentage

[night zephyr]

Maybe has a set time it goes into it like Yama

[north axle]

i think if you just barely go over threshold you need a thrall hit?

or something

no i don't think so

pretty often it just sameticks

[dense ginkgo]

are you using vengeance or anything else that usually doesn't count towards contribution

actually are you dealing burn damage

what if that's it

or what if blowing up grubs outside of sheild phase doesn't count towards the 25% damage you need to deal

[night zephyr]

Veng WRs for this boss are gonna be interesting. I assume they would use eye of ayak instead of demonbane.

[north axle]

no

[night zephyr]

holy crap car parking is busted

Is this how tbowers feel

[wise spire]

everybody changing droprates on the wiki without understanding drop mechanics or citing any evidence

no, just because you didn't see any splinters in 5 kills does not mean they don't drop at all

[fickle bobcat]

lmaooo

is the wikisync crowdsource data public? or is it wikiadmins only

kinda curious to start guessing

[wise spire]

Afaik it's admin only

I feel like I've seen posts in the discord analyzing data that weren't from admins tho

[tawny kelp]

does anyone have the grub damage ramp-up? they're basically lowest priority huh, its ok to let them go in

[wise spire]

It increases by one for each grub

Early you want to get every one of them so that later on you don't have to laser focus

[keen rapids]

they ramp up? is that only per wave?

[wise spire]

It's permanent

[keen rapids]

fuck this boss

[fickle bobcat]

im not having a good time either

[keen rapids]

feels no zcb man

[wise spire]

There's a lot of really jank, bugged, and clunky shit still

Needs some solid work before I spend too much more of my time on it

[keen rapids]

yeah if it doesn't get overall better after they nerf the car im probably just going back to yama and/or nex

[fickle bobcat]

its getting overall worse

itll be even more dependent on car phase dps right

[elfin flax]

anyone know why on wave 8+ i take some random damage from the explodin ball attack

every time without fail

1 tick before the first range/mage atk hits me ill take damage, not on falling rocks

[past otter]

ggrub going in?

[elfin flax]

nah no grubs

feels like im getin hit by an extra atk on the tick prayer gets turned off

idk probs just bad but ik its not an off pray hit

[night zephyr]

Probably a falling rock you can't see shadow for on floor

[wise spire]

Oh yeah that's another complaint

Falling rocks only give you 1t to react to the random placement

[keen rapids]

falling rocks are so ass

[fickle bobcat]

cant use dragon arrows without pissing them away due to an obvious bug

[wise spire]

In the double boulder it's essentially a cross your fingers and hope you get lucky scenario

[nimble crest]

i just darklight the shield phase to save darrows

and brew up

if ur farming 1-7 just bring rune/amy

[fickle bobcat]

im kinda surprised the criticism towards the boss is so muted tbh

makes me feel like an outlier

[main briar]

Wait which bug

[nimble crest]

theres a lot of critcism

ammo is 100% lost on shield

[fickle bobcat]

and on grubs

[nimble crest]

grubs ok iirc

[fickle bobcat]

huh

[craggy cobalt]

it's not 100% lost on either for me

I've watched the whole fight

[burnt lichen]

where was this confirmed? I only saw a maybe from mod nox

[nimble crest]

i think an aspect of the boss is that its extremely dps heavy to skip hard mechanics

[wise spire]

The grubs were apparently a fake out, they aren't bugged

[nimble crest]

but i suspect the drop mechanics mean ppl with worse gear dont lose out that much

[wise spire]

I haven't heard about shield tho

[fickle bobcat]

i lost 5 arrows in the 5 grubs i was watching when i shot

ima record a full kill

[nimble crest]

my arrow stash has gone down 2.4k in probably 20h of delving

not looking good..

[main briar]

I have not broken out the d arrows yet

[north axle]

I saw a yes from nox in gnomonkey

[north axle]

Quiver swap on 6 or 8

[elfin flax]

feel like ppl sayin arrows bein lost 100% is just because theres been no bow/arrow camp content

for so long

that people forget how many you use when spamming it

used 3k arrows for 800+ delves

4 arrows a kill sounds about right rly

[north axle]

There are issues, 0tick melee random sametick attacks deep floors not rewarding enough thrall acid mage autocast delay and overall amount of bullshit that max gear can ignore

But if you complain you must not be a good enough player to just win anyway

So nobody is willing to

[elfin flax]

cant forget randomly gettin pulled md while attacking with a ranged weapon

but thats been a bug for years so doubt a fix

[main briar]

Thralls counting as attacks is whatever

[north axle]

I expect way more complaining once they remove car parking and tons of people can no longer clear 8

[fickle bobcat]

yeah i agree that gives a downside to their usage thats the one thing i dont really have an issue with

[main briar]

No, you can't just add literally any downside to my free dps etc

[fickle bobcat]

yeah i cant reproduce arrow loss on grubs

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[elfin flax]

sucks when you forget youre goin into wave 6 and just insta summon a thrall, when unsummon button :^(

[weary garden]

anyone else having issues doing the rock tech from gnomonkey? It's never worked for me even though the setup looks right

[fickle bobcat]

i did the 1 rock one and it worked fine for me

[weary garden]

Ive been trying the 2 rock since the one rock is prolly getyting patched

[fickle bobcat]

they both are right

erm well the nulling the entire slam is

[weary garden]

not sure

[wary oriole]

from what i gleaned from a screenshot of a few messages in a twitch chat from a jmod, they're going to fix the thing where the car does nothing the whole phase but not sure on the one where you bait it onto a rock and it absorbs one shockwave

[main briar]

Ok the 100% arrow loss is just nonsense lol

[wary oriole]

yeah i think they fixed it

or else it didnt exist

i put my darrows back on today and was testing it

but i think the car phase might be eating ammo? I tried out d knives and my stack went from 192 to 174 in 3 kills

[main briar]

I think the chances that they randomly silently fixed it on a sunday afternoon is basically 0

[wary oriole]

try looking at arrows during car phase

[north axle]

it might have been a fix on wednesday

but it worked friday

[keen rapids]

they also patched the 427 hitsplat thing

[wary oriole]

ok arrows are normal on car

i think they fixed it

[north axle]

yknow we've been saying the loot is ass

but i could go for some dragon platelegs right now 😭

i imagine with w7 resets the raw gp is at least decent

[tribal igloo]

I found the varbit and have submitted a PR to runelite to add this https://github.com/runelite/runelite/pull/19193

[north axle]

so dreamy

you're gonna blow people's minds 99% of folks on runelite don't know what they are missing

i didnt realize it would be possibly to add i assumed it would be a legit steam exclusive

[tribal igloo]

Some enhanced values aren't transmitted to runelite. In this case it was just figuring out what it was called. I looked through the list of new varbit names and didn't see anything that stood out. It was just a matter of dying to delve 1 to figure out the varbit is called DOM_MISSED_ORBS