Osto-Ayak (Doom of Mokhaiotl)

[dense ginkgo]

definitely not rare

[thorn mist]

hopefully in a year, 3/3 torva gives 52 max and 3/3 oathplate gives 50 max. and you use torva most places but oathplate stuff with really high def. that'd be the juice..

[merry lotus]

anyone get any uniques yet?

[coarse cipher]

most* times you're scything, not all

and just because torva is harder to get doesn't mean it needs to remain bis forever, nex just sucks as a boss

bad boss, bad drop rates

[thorn mist]

oh well

opinion v opinion

[fallow terrace]

void or masori helm, dhide top, masori legs (non-fortified

[stone dawn]

fwiw I agree with your take

torva definitely devalued by oathplate (undeniable by ge price). Definitely not equal, but oathplate is stronger than it should be imo

[ivory ravine]

I’m using scobo and elite void. Anybody know if elder maul or ralos better?

I’ve been taking void melee helm and elder

[past otter]

ralos better

[burnt lichen]

im surprised by the lack of discoveries at the doom boss

there's that one mystery water splash thing that happens if u KO it with emberlight whack

but other than that, it seems like the meta was refined first few hours

and nothing has changed since then

[verbal edge]

cant wait till doomfly gets discovered

[burnt lichen]

[past otter]

yea with scy/inq being better dps, im sure someone will discover a better method

[burnt lichen]

erm

its crush related

[night zephyr]

I think that's just the 1/5 bonus melee strength hit someone was talking about earlier in here

[burnt lichen]

travis tested extra 29

[night zephyr]

Oh crush specific? That sounds new though

[dense ginkgo]

RIP nhally

[night zephyr]

I thought the person that said it said Nhally worked so either different mechanic or it's not crush specific

[proven owl]

so elder maul bis "punish" weapon?

[north axle]

like before the red?

attack

[proven owl]

for when he prays range/mage

[proven owl]

i assume thats when u get this hitsplat

or would u go with a 3t weapon to save ticks lol

[ripe obsidian]

If we just have ember and a 2nd synapse what do we do? assuming i have a tbow too

[north axle]

bow

[ripe obsidian]

do i bring demonbane spell and manual cast for mage grub

[north axle]

any arceus caster

slayer staff

[thorn mist]

@signal cipher finally, somewhere tbow is good

[signal cipher]

it actually had been a while

i dont mind tbow taking this one

tbow was the most due of the 3 megas for sure

[burnt lichen]

new discovery

or maybe ie

but scythe hitsplat hets 3x crush bonus

[ripe obsidian]

so like this?

[burnt lichen]

so travis whacked with crush scythe, no switch

it hit 15x3 after the initial damage

so like 45 extra damage gauranteed

(on the prot range+mage shield hit)

[proven owl]

okay so for sure worth bringing a scythe

what do we think about the 100% accuracy on car phase

do we bring void over masori or some special weapon for it

a lot of 100% accuracy on this boss

[thorn mist]

if car phase gives 100% acc then surely u just wear void over masori cuz it was close in the first place

[north axle]

the crush scythe is really good

[night zephyr]

Damn they hotfix the stupid shark lures on this boss?

[deft estuary]

if you dont have ralos, it's dwh+elite void helm swap for the boss?

[night zephyr]

The constant forced camera angle swaps on the way to the boss are very annoying

[merry lotus]

Makes me wonder the thought process that went into this

[north axle]

none

[night zephyr]

The people QA testing never made the run to the boss I guess. only used the teles

(AKA the unpaid streamers from the vid)

[burnt lichen]

https://streamable.com/dlkgxb

here's a clip of the healing happening when u ko on that hit

[alpine jewel]

is there any alternative to scobow for the adds?

[thorn mist]

just holy water i think, so u can just 2 shot them with any range wep instead

[main briar]

Think 1 synapse is probably req to not have a miserable time in the higher ones

[north axle]

nah

holy water is functionally equivalent

[main briar]

thought it was 1 use

[north axle]

oh it is yes

it's stackable though

[wise spire]

kirby just clicked inbetween the slits in the boss's shield and yellow clicked

we're going full rs3 with these clicboxes

[wise spire]

Observations I've gathered from recording data from streamer loot

if any of you find anything in your own loot that contradicts or adds to this, lemme know

[leaden vault]

wave 4 spoon 😮

they look really good with void 👍

[dense ginkgo]

I wonder how good dual macs are if you don't have scythe

[wise spire]

supposedly pretty solid

havent tested myself yet tho

[dense ginkgo]

cloggers win again

[wise spire]

I'm getting 15-16-16 out of it

not bad

scratch that, there's another hit in there sometimes overwritten by the thrall. seems to be 5-15

definitely not bad

[dense ginkgo]

2025 and we still only show four hitsplats at once

[burnt lichen]

out of dual macs?

[wise spire]

yup

so better than ember

takes slightly more brain though and an inventory slot

[burnt lichen]

do you know if it scales up if you have more melee gear

gauranteed extra dmg

[dense ginkgo]

I wonder how many of these big 80+ hitsplats for failing mechanics can be vengeanced, I could see some really degenerate speed running where you passively Regen HP each floor lol

I guess the "melee me or else" hit would mean too much afking but can you vengeance the racecar hit

[deft estuary]

what are best spec options if you dont have ralos/zcb

[dense ginkgo]

Maul probably

[proven owl]

does anyone know if maul is worth as secondary spec with zcb

i have way more spec than i can use with just zcb but maul also seems very low value

most dmg is done when u have 100% accuracy anyway

and with zcb spec

[burnt lichen]

seems worth bringing the scythe

1 inventory slot and u get lots of extra damage when you need to melee the boss

that was a 73 damage scythe swing

I believe that 15x3 = 45 of that damage is gauranteed

I'm going to test and see if melee switch increases that minimum damage

actually ur 100% accurate too i think

[dense ginkgo]

It would be funny if void melee multiplies it but melee strength doesn't increase it

[burnt lichen]

so 15x3+1x3 = 48 minimum damage

[dense ginkgo]

Definitely 100% accurate

[burnt lichen]

does it stop doing the melee shield on later levels?

i feel like i only see the other shield

[languid iron]

Any tips for pillar attack?

It wrecks me every time

I watched the gnomonkey guide and he was basically just like "kill it before the pillars or its gg"

and in the kc he showed he killed every phase pretty much before pillars lol

[burnt lichen]

i watched his guide, and he doesn't say that, he explains the strategy to use

u want to proc it in a straight line so the pathing isnt confusing

wait the proper amount of time to shoot the 2nd one

make sure they are far apart

[languid iron]

Yeah he does but at the end he says he has never successfully done in on 8 lol

[burnt lichen]

looks like switches are buffing the extra damage

got 22x3 = 66 dmg here

in addition to the swing

[languid iron]

Also just reading this thread a bit, is it 100% accuracy on car phase? Anywhere else 100% accurate besides breaking melee shield?

Might switch to void if so, if nothing else I reduce death fees

Another tip I saw that was helpful was to use a lower tier demonbane so you can use it when brewed down

[burnt lichen]

oo lower tier demonbane is a good tip

[languid iron]

Not sure if lowest tier works

But even just one lower is big qol

I guess you don’t want to use lowest tier since it’s chaos runes

[burnt lichen]

btw does anyone know why the purging staff cast has different timing than emberlight/scobo? using the other two I can instantly attack a larva after my attack on the boss, however with purging I have to wait for my attack cooldown

(unrelated to above question) at first it had the prot range + mage over its head, indicating that I need to attack it with melee, but then it switched suddenly, throwing me off

dafuq lol

i wonder if it would cancel the whole shield phase if i managed to scythe it on that first tick lol

[mild orchid]

idk if anyone posted already but there are 2 teleporters in this chest that u can place to save some tiles of running to boss

[verbal edge]

i think its just a glitch/oversight, other two styles you can 0t but not with mage

[burnt lichen]

here's the example of the purging not 0t

[mild orchid]

it insta teles u when entering

[burnt lichen]

ill have to try again then i must be wrong

yea ur right ty

[merry lotus]

that's actually insane

[burnt lichen]

here's an example of a 0 damage dodge for the 6 consecutive attacks on level 8

i believe I dodged 1 tick earlier than necessary in the middle of the flicking

[elfin flax]

Anyone know if the number of attacks between doom summoning the volatile earth and doing the first shockwave is consistent?

[burnt lichen]

i think its supposed to be

i heard 20 ticks

[elfin flax]

Can’t get the timing for spawning it to block 5 slams right

So insta hit the far, then 3 tbow should be more or less good

Guess tanking a hit or two of slam isn’t too bad for now

[warm cloak]

now add the orb you have to follow in the middle of that 😩 im getting rinsed

[burnt lichen]

had this hilarious level 8 with like 0 mechanics

[warm cloak]

[burnt lichen]

then the next level 8 gave me imp scenario

[warm cloak]

the hardest is when the 2nd boulder turns off your prayer for the first boulder while trying to stay in the tiny ass orb shits impossible

[burnt lichen]

well u just need to know the tick when u need to start doing the stuff

you need to click the first prayer the tick that the 2nd orb pops

and u need to click to move when ur doing the middle prayer of the first set

so as ur following the levi orb, just be anticipating that second pop

and do prayer + run

i guess really for most of the prayers, ur doing prayer + run

[warm cloak]

ill try it 🙏

[heady flicker]

Does purging staff spec fix it?

[burnt lichen]

melee void helm is still 15x3 with scythe

the formula is floor(<equipment melee strength bonus> / 5)

per hitsplat

[wary oriole]

Does prayer matter?

[burnt lichen]

I don't believe so, also I tried pre-potting super strength and it was still 15x3

[proven owl]

okay so ferocious, ultor and rancour then i guess

[burnt lichen]

yea but i dont think the switches are worth it

honestly even the scythe could be considered a litte questionable

if that one extra supply could let you do another wave

[warm cloak]

Think scythe < chally if i have no good spec wpn?

guess i could dwh

[proven owl]

i think it needs to be a crush weapon for the bonus dmg

[burnt lichen]

this one was really cringe because the rocks I couldn't see the rocks in the air

[drifting swift]

Hey can you share your true tile settings for the orb?

Is it a radius marker?

[burnt lichen]

14715 i believe

better npc highlight

[drifting swift]

Do you have a radius marker set?

[burnt lichen]

no

[warm cloak]

Does anyone know what those vials of blue liquid the boss throws at the end of a fight are?

or what the condition for them to spawn is

[burnt lichen]

they heal you

[burnt lichen]

KO with crush weapon on the one shield prot range/mage hit

[drifting swift]

Is that at the end of a floor or end of floor 8 he can do that

[warm cloak]

ive seen it throughout the fight but i dont know if the condition works everytime, unless maybe the added damage doesnt count

[desert thorn]

the orb is a little cringe

i dont like it

doesnt feel good

[drifting swift]

Yeah it doesn’t tbh

It’s hella clunky

[burnt lichen]

its pid based

its really exacerbated at this boss

because of long period of time between boss spawning and orb spawning

pid loop more likely than other pid-loop-affected bosses, like vorkath for example

[drifting swift]

I never know which tick to proc the orb

[burnt lichen]

do like 2 more tbow hits then proc it

[warm cloak]

seems like its after the boulder attack, i proc it with the boulder in the air

[drifting swift]

The pathing is also really weird

[deft estuary]

is it me or is the melee charge vs demonebane shield charge phase not very intuitive at all

they both have same animation

other than blue shield

[drifting swift]

I just look at the prayers

But yeah they are identical animation iirc

And sound I think

[deft estuary]

think they should change that but they wont since it already released won tthey

[drifting swift]

I think they might make changes

I hope at least, the boss is almost perfect

[deft estuary]

man i got blasted by 99 hit from melee charge

i thought it was shield or car phase lol

[drifting swift]

When he does the Levi explosion and destroys the rocks what determines them having none left lol

[burnt lichen]

luck + decision making

[drifting swift]

I’m assuming standing behind certain ones can destroy the next one?

[stuck cape]

He destroys any rocks 10 tiles from him o

But he goes where ever you send him

[drifting swift]

I see

[stuck cape]

If you put him in a spot that destroys all the rocks

[drifting swift]

So bait him away from rocks

[stuck cape]

Then you have no rocks

[drifting swift]

When he is in his car can he drive over them

[stuck cape]

Yes

That destroys them too

Basically you want him to drive away from the rocks

[drifting swift]

But have enough time to get to them

[stuck cape]

And you tank the first one w a rock that’s on the edge

You don’t have to go far to bait him

Just have to be on the correct side

Scythe methods r gonna be crazy, you can hit a grub 2x under boss and hit boss w the scythe splats

[drifting swift]

Is void better if I don’t have mosiri I hear car phase has 100% accuracy

[stuck cape]

Do you have Tbow n zcb

[drifting swift]

Just tbow

[stuck cape]

I think void wins but not sure

[burnt lichen]

maybe i should be using venator ring + ralos to take more advantage of venator bow hits

er idk

that tech is pretty cool

[drifting swift]

What is the tech?

[burnt lichen]

venator bowing

[drifting swift]

You venator the mage for triple hits onto boss?

Doesn’t look like it does much dmg

[sudden lotus]

main target is grub(double 0s due to protection prayer)
secondary target is boss - single hitsplats but 5-6 of them due to no cooldown, reduced damage due to bounce mechanics. If the boss is not directly damageable during that phase(as is the case in the clip) vbow bypasses that

[drifting swift]

Isn’t the bug going to heal the boss for more damage

From the clip it doesn’t look like a lot of dmg

[sudden lotus]

think they only heal for 10-15? also you can probs pop it at the last moment to damage the boss instead

and if th eboss charges like it does in the clip then the grub may nto reach it in time to heal

[drifting swift]

Cool tech but don’t think it’s worth the inventory space

[proven owl]

ye imo it seems like something that might be optimized to be good in the future but prob not worth atm

[burnt lichen]

oh

im targeting the grub, i should be targeting the boss

i could be getting 2x the damage

[plucky turret]

thats yokeing right

[main briar]

Thought that didn't work because it wouldn't be 0t

[plucky turret]

no 1t weapon then

[burnt lichen]

ohhh

nvm

[arctic niche]

are there any good guides for boss atm?

[plucky turret]

i watched gnomo one and it was very clear

cant really say anythingabout how good it is tho but explained well atleast

[clear edge]

Any consensus if chally is good for the melee shield?

[sudden lotus]

gnome's guide doesn't include crush based 'punish' mechanics that people are talking about here

but the general 'how do i not die' stuff in his guide seems solid

[arctic niche]

ye ill check it out

does this look like a solid setup for mokha?

ive heard many things about void vs masori

thought void only better with ralos? but idk

i have 2 pieces of masori as well (helm/body)

[stuck cape]

damn runs r fast

[night zephyr]

Even with no ZCB/Ralos lightbearer is gonna be better than ring of shadows

[main briar]

i have been getting basically 0 use out of lb tbh with just ralos

[night zephyr]

Spam your scobo specs

[main briar]

doesn't do shit

[night zephyr]

Going to be more of a dps increase than ring of shadows

It's an extra 6-7 damage per spec you use

That's a hell of a lot more than a ring of shadows

[main briar]

it's like 5, entirely just the burn

well more ig if you're camping scobo

[night zephyr]

You get 30% increased accuracy too.

Oh if you have tbow Id say it's not valuable

But if you are camping scobo it's way better

[grizzled comet]

what are everyone's thoughts on routing for this? certainly void ranging + scobo + anguish + quiver (+ rigour) is the core setup, but do you get blessed quiver and ralos first? what about venator ring?

[night zephyr]

You can do 1 extra Colo run as a Kickstarter and corrupt while doing delve since delve itself gives splinters

Fairly sure venator ring doesn't give you maxes on scobo in that set up

[placid vortex]

Was sending yesterday with arclight specs since they’re guaranteed to hit during the charge up, what are y’all speccing with?

Also I’ve got a crackpot theory that during chargeup you can hit slugs before they blow up on him and do the whole kill with melee through his shield if anyone wants to try that out

[night zephyr]

Obnoxious camera angle switching hot fixed

[coral basalt]

Let me know how this goes, I’m in literally the same setup and also only have masori helm/top lol

Won’t be trying till tomorrow tho

[arctic niche]

oh didint think about that

[arctic niche]

i might be busy but i wana make some time feel so behind

practicing on main first atm trying to get a 8 clear before iron

rn im sturggling to get past 3 lol

[drifting swift]

is there no leaderboards atm?

ive done loads of kc runelite doesnt show any kc

[coral basalt]

You’ve cleared wave 8?

[arctic niche]

nah i meant in general even on main im struggling to get past 3

[coral basalt]

Meant to reply to Brad my b haha

[coral basalt]

KC only counts for delve 8 clears

[main briar]

I swear i have a 0% success rate at getting past the orb thing on level 5 lol

[orchid summit]

this is my issue too, just not clicking for me

[wise spire]

Yeah the orb is a bitch

I've gotten better at it but it's still clunky as hell and the boss doing random attacks, thus sometimes throwing boulder in the middle of it, makes it even harder

[night zephyr]

have to try as hard as possible to get it in a straight line

the diagnols are so janky/unintuitive

[placid vortex]

i found it eaiser to wait for him to start the slam animation and then pop 2 closest to me

but also my pb is w6 so take that with a grain of salt

[wise spire]

@burnt lichen seems like you figured it out but yeah, the bonus damage is based on your strength bonus. Also, afaik, it's unrelated to crush since I get the appropriate bonus with emberlight.

[night zephyr]

That wont work at later delves

so may as well learn to do it

[wise spire]

I've seen cold one do the diagonals simply because on wave 8 you need maximum distance to catch all 5 slams

Which blows

[night zephyr]

Diagnols def work, but I was sayin the 2 close strat dauning mentioned

[wise spire]

I wonder what they could do to make the orb less clunky

[night zephyr]

maybe give it a visual indicator for its path

[wise spire]

• player pathing instead of npc
• consistent boss attacks instead of random
• let you draw the path but it doesn't spawn until the right timing?

[night zephyr]

but subtle

[sudden lotus]

could try to highlight the path it's about to take tob-style?

[wise spire]

Definitely needs fixing on the hit registration

Also the rocks in the way totally blows

[orchid summit]

sometimes i just straight up don’t see the straight line solve

[night zephyr]

so definitely boppers over emberlight if you have them

id imagine any 2 hitter (idk if crush needed)

anyone try chally specs?

[craggy cobalt]

holy moly

I learned that the little balls he throws in the air are colored based on their attack

and it was like the training weights were off lmao

[night zephyr]

Hahaha

[wise spire]

Chally is supposedly quite good yes

[night zephyr]

That one's a game changer

[craggy cobalt]

no more trying to 1 tick react to the projectiles

instant wave 8 clear pretty much

[lost wagon]

no ralos/zcb here and i bring burning claws instead of emberlight and just spam specs on 100% accuracy phase

https://i.imgur.com/J7rXIHh.png

[quick sequoia]

Any idea what this does? You get one stack each time grub reaches the boss

[lucid marlin]

bopper?

is that ham joint

[plucky turret]

dual macs

[lucid marlin]

o

[wise spire]

Grubs that reach the boss deal that much damage to you

Increases by 1 each time

[quick sequoia]

So nothing to really worry about then. Thanks

[wise spire]

I mean it adds up in later waves

You don't wanna be taking consistent 15s

[craggy cobalt]

This is the setup I cooked up with no Ralos/Maul, void felt infinitely better than Masori

not sure the melee helm is worth it, probably isn't

[wise spire]

Nah melee helm does nothing

[craggy cobalt]

it adds some damage to the melee interrupt scythe splat

but it's not a lot compared to the punish effect from what I can tell

[wise spire]

Str bonus is far more impactful

[orchid summit]

could one of you chads clearing wave 8 record your orbs? that’s the only thing i’m struggling with

[onyx edge]

Has anyone seen anyone get a unique drop lvl 6+

[night zephyr]

I only see the wave 3-5 spoons on reddit lol

[wise spire]

You know now that you mention it, I've only ever seen people post about it on wave 2-4 🤔

[night zephyr]

But most redditors prob aren't making it 6+ I bet

[plucky turret]

it shows the completions for each tier in game right

prob makes a lot of sense most of the drops come from lower tiers atm since they actually get completed by the majority

[crystal lark]

Is there any way to highlight the orb that protects you

[crystal lark]

Ty :)

[craggy cobalt]

in radius markers

or you can better NPC highlight the ID

[crystal lark]

Have you found it helps remain inside it

[plucky turret]

just make sure you true tile

[crystal lark]

Was having some issues yesterday but didn’t try all that much

[main briar]

Surely people don't go down the trap of "solo 150s BIS HOOOOOLY SHIT" again right?

[plucky turret]

if using better npc highlight

[main briar]

[plucky turret]

gonna do delve 1 resets you cant stop me

[night zephyr]

Anyone got a line I could copy for menu entry swapper prioritizing attacking grubs over all forms of mokha?

[main briar]

wait which 100% accuracy phase?

[lost wagon]

when he charges

[wise spire]

Someone edited the wiki to have gloves at 2+, eye at 3+, boots at 4+

And honestly it matches what I've seen

I think it makes sense

[weary garden]

Same

[onyx edge]

I mean not to see a single wave 7+ drop in any discords i checked is a bit strange

Also asked plenty of ppl

[craggy cobalt]

so the only thing that I've found that really works:

1. Focus on living through the special, hit a far plant and then the boss once and then just forgo DPS to focus on movement and prayer
2. Identify a straight line, longer is better but straight is the most important
3. Position yourself 1 tile away from the "close" plant, so that the you are between the orb spawn and the destination slightly
4. Shoot close plant, wait a tick or two for it to spawn, and then control click walk over to the destination plant, tanking all poison splats and just focusing on prayers

[main briar]

I mean like... there's a lot of lower clears and not a lot of higher ones

[wise spire]

Yeah it's weird, but I think the scaling is linear not exponential, so it lines up with completions

[onyx edge]

well obviously

but its should be higher a lot higher chance lvl 8

and 0 drops

what about pet

what waves were ppl getting that

[wise spire]

I've documented waves 4-8 having 20, 40, 60, 80, and 100% chance of a second loot roll

It might quite literally be just that with uniques

So even though 8 gets double rolls, that's 6500 total rolls vs 250k at wave 4

Pet is also confirmed from jmods to be 6+

[crystal lark]

has anyone had pet

[stone dawn]

Vikkonloppu got pet

[weary garden]

I wonder when we’re gonna get actual drop rates

[main briar]

1-4 weeks probably

[arctic niche]

oh i forgot about that. by 100% accuracy phase you mean blue shield?

[night zephyr]

Surely 2,600 rolls at wave 8 is enough to see a couple of uniques.

That's 400 hours...

[wise spire]

Car phase

Blue shield is mostly grub damage and it doesn't hurt the boss anyways

Also the melee hit is 100% accuracy

[arctic niche]

u can melee boss while hes car and still avoid the attack?

[wise spire]

No

Car phase you have 100% accuracy

AND

the melee hit in earlier waves is 100%

[arctic niche]

hmm but like ig im worried how would i melee him while hes zooming around or do u dump before mechanic even starts?

havint gotten that far but only seen ppl range and avoid him

[wise spire]

Ok that explains it

Have you fought the boss yet

[arctic niche]

ye but delve 4 is my pb atm

[wise spire]

You know when he charges up and you have to hit him with melee

That hit is 100%

[arctic niche]

when hes praying range/mage?

[wise spire]

Yes

[arctic niche]

spam claw on him then?

[wise spire]

That's the only point in the fight you do a melee hit

[arctic niche]

u said i can spam specs so can i get giga melee in multiple times?

[wise spire]

I give up

[arctic niche]

ye ik i need to get have some foundation and experince

[wise spire]

Just click boss

Boss die

Ez game

[rugged rune]

What’s the criteria for getting on the hiscores for the boss? Is it only claiming at 8 or higher?

[sturdy smelt]

yeah

[crystal lark]

i find this boss to be frustrating

I'm using scobow and full void but I don't really have a good spec wep, I've been using scobow spec but is there a better option for me?

[oak mauve]

What's the NPC ID for the Delve boss itself? I have the IDs for the shield and grubs

[limber finch]

14707

[oak mauve]

thanks!

[manic flume]

ive been using emberlight during the prayer phase for guaranteed reduction

[oblique agate]

lol first wave 6 clear = Treads spoon

[crystal lark]

insane, congrats

[north axle]

Is it just me being dumb or does the guaranteed melee hit attack stop happening above 4 or so delve?

[ivory ravine]

So does the shield attack not have to be on crush?

[weary garden]

Lol I love how much Reddit is whining about this boss

[night zephyr]

Muts is streaming melee runs

[signal cipher]

@winged ravine tune in

[crystal lark]

wtf why did he just get healed?

[night zephyr]

I only really see complaint about the orb pathing, which are valid. The pathing is janky af

[weary garden]

I lost the post I was looking at, but the whole thread was complaining that they were stuck on wave 4-5 and were pissed because they didn’t have BiS

[night zephyr]

Ok lol that's skill issued redditors.

I do think they are gonna adjust this orb. It's just so janky/literally not working as intended it seems

[weary garden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/Z5n88txJJ1

[night zephyr]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/lG6GIXaQe7

[weary garden]

Love to see the redditor tears

My favorite comment so far:

“design choices of this boss are terrible, too many overlapping mechanics makes it unfun and obnoxious to deal with. i have yet to meet someone that said 1 tick prayer flicking and moving at the same time is an enjoyable part of pve and then throw in gear switching. its honestly a disaster and will probably get nerfed soon anyway.”

[wispy knot]

Lol just control click walk like 5 squares away and focus on the flicks

[crystal lark]

this is crazy

[desert thorn]

lol

[wispy knot]

Okay, fat 150 chally spec. Im a believer

[night zephyr]

Yeah I'm gonna be bringing chally + boppers

[desert thorn]

When do u chally

[night zephyr]

Can always auto with boppers when you don't have spec for chally (rare) but boppers act as your emberlight for grubs

When he praye against mage/range and charges up

[wispy knot]

When hes doing the prayer charge attack

[desert thorn]

the one u have to melee?

[night zephyr]

Correct

[wispy knot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1m7pwq2/melee_attacks_do_residual_damage_and_are_100/

[desert thorn]

so chally + ember wack?

[night zephyr]

Just chally

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/r7bcKAyXu3

This is a good write up

[desert thorn]

dont you need demonbane for that

[night zephyr]

No

[crystal lark]

lol

[desert thorn]

awooga

[night zephyr]

Demonbane is only for the 500 HP shield

[north axle]

Did they fix this later?

[wispy knot]

Oh nice, so unique seem to drop wave 2+

[north axle]

When I tried right after launch they did not work

[night zephyr]

Was working for me this morning

0 tick boppers that 1 shot

[north axle]

Bleh

Kinda wish I didn't sell mine for 6m xddd

[wispy knot]

Dual macas are such a good weapon

[night zephyr]

Torag hammers probably do like 2-4 less damage and are 100k. So prob not gonna pump

[wispy knot]

I need to farm those at some point

[desert thorn]

damn chally is so crazy

[weary garden]

So chally is probably tech on the punish in place of scythe?

[desert thorn]

I believe scy is better

[weary garden]

Sorry, I meant if we don’t have scythe

Or maybe bclaws. I haven’t gotten to test either yet

[placid vortex]

What’s this tech with boppers?

[night zephyr]

I wonder if there will be tech to dodge stomp damage like warden insanity skull skipping.

Seems like it does the whole room at the same time so I don't think so, but that would help melee a lot

[placid vortex]

MASSIVE

[night zephyr]

Funnily enough I don't think that change would have protected the guy in the video I liked earlier

[main briar]

This is like if they added a safe tile behind the zuk shield

[night zephyr]

Because he was "outside" of the protection the whole time while it looked like he was protected, not just for 1 tick.

[main briar]

With true tile it's pretty clear

[night zephyr]

Isn't this a magical sphere that protects you vs. A physical rock that blocks an attack?

Magic effect lasts 1 tick longer sounds more reasonable

[main briar]

Right but either way the confusing thing is the difference between the animation and the true tile

Does levi have the same problem? I've only really looked at the true tile box tbh

[merry lotus]

How are people getting healed when breaking the shield? They get purple hitsplats on their character

[night zephyr]

Levi moves a lot more consistent and is 5x5 so not really a problem

Awakened is a 7x7 wow. Kinda wild that the ZCBers/tbowers get to skip doing a 3x3 awakened Levi phase

[winged ravine]

Where tf am i bro

[main briar]

Chally/scy/claw might be a solid alternatvie to the zcb, looks promising

[weary garden]

I think chally is going to be way better than claw

[north axle]

Levi is very different

The glow at leviathan is reliable, and there is no forgiveness tick

Whereas here the glow was unreliable so they patched it to add a forgiveness tick

[weary garden]

From Gnomonkey, the punish damage comes from str bonus / 5
Scy the best obviously
But claw has so little str bonus compared to chally

[north axle]

But that shouldn't actually fix it?

Because if you're behind like in the reddit clip you'll stay behind and not get the immunity anyway

Right?

[main briar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1m83uua/comment/n4wav2q/

[plucky turret]

that kinda was my initial thought when they said that

since you're never actually in it to begin with

or if you go out of it you wont get the immunity even though you're visually in it

[north axle]

The problem is the visual cue being wrong, which isn't the case at leviathan ever

[plucky turret]

well, you'll have it for a tick

[weary garden]

Don’t need void melee helm, just str bonus swaps

[main briar]

Yeah just wasnt sure because i'd never looked at the visual cue

[night zephyr]

Maybe this 1 tick immunity is a hotfix for now while they address the real concern

[rustic palm]

so the play is bringing this in inventory permanently to farm tears right

[leaden vault]

has jagex said anything about the mage delay on grubs? feels so bad compared to the other styles

[craggy cobalt]

this loot blows? I'm pretty sure delve 8 added like 100 tears and a teleport

for the amount of risk that d7 and d8 have, unless they have giga-significantly increased unique rewards I'm kinda tempted to just throw together a speedrun d1-6 setup and just do that

[desert thorn]

35 raw sharks

[wary oriole]

i'd bet a lot of money that d7 and d8 have massively increased unique chance

[night zephyr]

You would hope, but we still haven't seen a screenshot with loot about wave 7 AFAIR

[drifting swift]

on wave 7 do you have to hit him with a demonbane weapon?

[fickle bobcat]

The amount of people completing 8s is a LOT smaller than the amount of people completing 5s

[drifting swift]

he just one shot me in his car

[wary oriole]

the amount of people clearing w7 and w8 has to be literally hundreds to thousands of times less that the lower levels

[night zephyr]

A lot smaller, but surely there are enough people streaming/in discords like this one getting to wave 7,8 they haven't gotten drops

[coral basalt]

Has anyone gotten pet? I feel like I haven't seen any screenshots of one yet

[night zephyr]

Unless they are still giga rare at 7 and 8

[drifting swift]

does he do his one shot in his car on wave 7?

[wary oriole]

yeah its interesting i havent seen a single person post pet

https://i.redd.it/2ht5wpq6huef1.jpeg

oh im ie

[rustic palm]

Ive seen one from a uim

So ik atleast they got one

[coral basalt]

Alright so its not broken lol

Was starting to wonder if they forgot it

[rustic palm]

Also 3-4 on petcord

So yeah its fine

[fickle bobcat]

i saw a pet in the crafting guild too

[night zephyr]

Pet so rare it wasn't in the bank tag setup yet for my gear setup icon.

[stuck cape]

The common loot doesn’t change. For diff waves , they said that

But compare to collo ralos is 1/192 from w12, 1/420 w11 and 1/650 w10 or something

Probably more likely to get a drop from a single w8 the. W1-7 total

[plucky turret]

this on wiki atm

for common

dont think i saw it in here before

if it was in here before feel free to ie react

[craggy cobalt]

oh actually? that's wack

I'm not saying wave 8 should dump loot, but maybe removing some of the obvious fluff drops like earth runes and raw sharks would be nice

[plucky turret]

chally spec goated btw or kinda whatever without str witches?

switches*

[north axle]

But the quantities do change don't they?

[leaden vault]

32-32 bonus dmg per spec with infernal/ranc/ultor/fero
23-23 with no switches only chally

[plucky turret]

thats still nuts even if no switches might just do a 3way or whatever

was just kinda coping since that means i really cant avoid getting double dc first

[north axle]

But this is only really applicable waves 1-4 no?

Feels like the melee proc move barely happens late

Because of the blue bar shield

[plucky turret]

guess i'll see im a fuckin shitter for now can always drop it

[craggy cobalt]

Yeah I thought about extra melee stuff but really they just speed up d1-d4

Scythe feels forth over Emberlight but beyond that idk

I am loving the void way more than Masori though

[desert thorn]

why

[craggy cobalt]

So much 100% accuracy phases in the later delves, car especially

[night zephyr]

100% accurate on car phase

[desert thorn]

oooh

also melee helm for chally sounds cool no?

[craggy cobalt]

You just want to try and do as much damage as possible during Car

[night zephyr]

No

[weary garden]

No

[desert thorn]

no?

damn

[night zephyr]

Melee helm does very little because of how bonus damage works

Fero/rancour better

[weary garden]

The punish only increases damage based on your melee strength / 5

[plucky turret]

it checks your str bonus

ye

[desert thorn]

I see

[night zephyr]

I'm tempted to switch to prims

[desert thorn]

Im gonna try void and see how it feels

[weary garden]

Things like piety, pots, and void melee helm doesn’t affect it

[night zephyr]

Those still effect your base hit though

So worth flicking piety

[craggy cobalt]

This is the current setup I'm running

[desert thorn]

awooga

why vw tho

[night zephyr]

Voidwaker?

[craggy cobalt]

if he starts earth shield and has like 50 HP I just double spec him

fuck that special

[night zephyr]

Hahah

I could see it if I was a tbower/ZCBer. But just gotta learn it as a scobo user.

[desert thorn]

how we feeling

i feel like i can ditch those bandos boots

for prims

[night zephyr]

But Ive got better tech for you @craggy cobalt

[craggy cobalt]

it's probably not worth but it's saved me twice today already

[night zephyr]

Save ZCB for the start of car phase

Guaranteed

[night zephyr]

Does venator give you maxes? If not I'd go lb.

[desert thorn]

im gonna check

na uh

no max

lb but what would i be specing with

[craggy cobalt]

not a bad idea

I don't have Ralos though so am I just not speccing on spawn

[desert thorn]

maul maybe

[night zephyr]

More chally, but if you have excess already can use ultor then

[desert thorn]

i think ultor is better actually

cause im gonna be burning spec with uuh scobo

either that or a maul

[night zephyr]

Ultor is +4 sometimes +6 bonus damage per punish hit?

Prob always just better for tbower since you aren't scobo autoing.

For me I think I'd have to get the +6 threshold. Because I get +6 damage per every scobo spec.

[green coyote]

anyone know whats causing the blue explosions that heal at the end of the fight sometimes?

[desert thorn]

lets see with this

would be cool to get more than wave 6

[night zephyr]

Send the prims too. Surely accuracy doesn't suffer that much?

[desert thorn]

yea

almost no difference

[night zephyr]

Also if you have the Colo quetzal unlocked you can bank the pendant.

House tele > restore stats > Colo tele > bank > quetzal to boss

[compact shuttle]

You could equip your book and emberlight to get an extra food if you don’t mind juggling

[desert thorn]

yea but rn im not dying cause supplies

[compact shuttle]

Fair enough

[night zephyr]

It's about the same travel time. So may as well.

[north axle]

Maybe BP for 100% accurate heal during car?

[mighty rain]

this boss is awesome

[raw sand]

Pet shows in here

[mild orchid]

[wise spire]

Killing him during the shield charging mech where you have to smack him with melee once

[tribal igloo]

Can you examine the pet? Wiki is missing the examine text

[tribal igloo]

Same examine when it's following you on the ground?

[raw sand]

Ill check after this trip and let you know

[feral rock]

watching the wiki get filled out in real time

[night zephyr]

No shot the examine text on doom is "a demonic digger" but they changed the name of the spade.

[raw sand]

Yeah same

[tribal igloo]

Thanks

[raw sand]

Np

[desert thorn]

question

I just uuuh didnt hit anything on the melee shield phase with a chally spec

do we know why

[plucky turret]

are u sure it was the shield phase with prayers up and not the blue shield one

[green pagoda]

Can you darkbow the grubs?

[plucky turret]

i never actually checked if you do full damage on that tho but

[fallow terrace]

does chally have to be on a specific style? and also do you guys pray piety?

[stuck cape]

does log basket work at infected root?

[plucky turret]

i can go check

[thorn mist]

dark bow probably works to 1 shot the range grubs if ur synapse poor btw

[signal cipher]

[plucky turret]

it works @stuck cape

regular logs go into it when opened

[plucky turret]

can also use charged ralos

[weary garden]

Does the car version of mokha have a different npc id?

[main briar]

Having less than 1 synapse sounds not good

[craggy cobalt]

Yeah he does

[fickle bobcat]

chat what are the odds they let you cast off cooldown on the grubs in an update

[shadow lion]

do we know the hp thresholds for certain mechs

[signal cipher]

low

would be a stupid change as well

[craggy cobalt]

whys that

it's frustrating to mage the grubs atm

[night zephyr]

first unique post wave 6 ive seen

(not me)

[craggy cobalt]

same, good to know they do drop

[signal cipher]

managing your attack cooldown is a fundamental skill

that’s like saying let me mage maiden crabs off cooldown because it’s annoying when i tbow as it procs

[burnt lichen]

melee helm def not worth

[night zephyr]

If you guys get 3 melee grubs at the start of delve 8 do you ignore them?

I took 40 damage trying to clear them and then wasnt ready for the orbs

[craggy cobalt]

Yeah I dropped it, I'm not convinced much else past just scythe is worth. Maybe rancour, but I'm on the fence about that too

Brews seem very valuable since that's usually what limits you doing another delve or not

[weary garden]

do you know it by chance? I cant find it on the wiki

[craggy cobalt]

I mean it's different because you can range and melee the larva off cooldown, why is mage treated differently?

[burnt lichen]

https://gearscape.net/calculators/dps?preset=98b3bb6919

dual macs better dps for melee shield hit?

looks like no

[dense ginkgo]

phrased badly let me check myself lol

oh it's the other way around huh

[burnt lichen]

i saw olen streaming last night with these

he was kinda coping and using them in place of emberlight too

there's some heavy tick loss with that but i wonder if its worth the invy slot

because they double hit, you'll still 1-shot the grub

but it's 4t instead of 0t

wait uh

now it's telling me dual macs are worse

i think the calc is bugged

[north axle]

so bclaws or chally?

[wise spire]

gearscape is a bit buggy sometimes

[dense ginkgo]

I've had bad experiences with gearscape in the past (friend had calcs that didn't line up with mine on the wiki calc, turned out gearscape treated kcb as a bow, not a crossbow)

[north axle]

i tried this i dont like it

the macs work but they get you dragged

emberlight doesnt

it's actually crazy how I don't own a void melee helmet

[wise spire]

aren't we doing prims now over pegs?

[burnt lichen]

😮

good thought

[craggy cobalt]

isn't that the void melee helm we aren't bringing too

[burnt lichen]

not worth i think

[burnt lichen]

gray nine was asking about void so i plugged it in

i think that void is bad

[craggy cobalt]

all void or just melee void?

[burnt lichen]

melee void switch for sure is bad

[weary garden]

yeah melee void does nothing for the punish if thats what you're going for

[craggy cobalt]

yeah aware on that, I think void range is better than Masori tho

even with tbow

[weary garden]

any scobow users getting any level 7/8 clears? I can make it to 6 pretty consistently but 7 feels like a brick wall. dps check is rough

[burnt lichen]

can you link to a calc that has convinced you of that

[weary garden]

its mostly because of the 100% accuracy on car phase I think

[craggy cobalt]

yeah, 100% accuracy on car phase + more scobo damage on shield phase. the latter part is less relevant than the car phase though, you sacrifice some early delve DPS in exchange for upping your later delve DPS fairly significantly

[burnt lichen]

what other assumptions for void

venator ring?

[leaden vault]

anyone got the sound id for the slam while the white orb is up?

[craggy cobalt]

No treads, no ring since it doesn't impact max hit

So just pegs and lightbearer, void range, I used dragon arrows for pushing some D8 clears today but amethyst loses 2 max hits in both setups

[elfin dove]

I’ve gotten 2 delve 8 clears with scobow. Just have to be more comfortable with the mechanics to make up for lack of dps

[craggy cobalt]

which is less impactful in void vs masori

[burnt lichen]

https://gearscape.net/calculators/dps?preset=4fc5685f04

[night zephyr]

im gettin wave 7 clears now with scobo. working on 8. getting skill checked not dps checked at the moment

[wise spire]

what's the reason?

[burnt lichen]

because its -0.36 dmg per tbow shot, but only +4 damage on the scythe swing, so buffing ur tbow pulls ahead after 11 tbow shots

venator ring -> ultor ring breaks even at 34 tbow shots though

[wise spire]

[night zephyr]

tbow calc might be a lot different but scobo prims are valuable

[weary garden]

okay okay so still just a skill issue. I dont have that many attempts at 6+ so far, so thats comforting

[night zephyr]

expected hit goes down -0.2

[burnt lichen]

so on reg phase, masori is 1.53 dmg better than void per shot
on car phase, void is 2 dmg better than masori per shot

so it really all comes down to the distribution

[elfin dove]

I will say the immunity orb + double boulder on wave 8 is insanely hard and took a while to get the timing for

[night zephyr]

You are in car phase a lot if you are pushing delve

not so much if you arent getting 8+ consistently

[wise spire]

it's wild how much time in 6+ is spent in car or shield

[craggy cobalt]

what about Aranea boots

[night zephyr]

I think aranea boots should be fantastic if they push you over

[craggy cobalt]

do those even give a scy punish max?

[night zephyr]

but theres a chance they dont

80% chance they do they are +4?

[wise spire]

boss is either a sitting duck immune to damage while you twiddle your thumbs and waste time, or zoom zooming around the room and/or forcing you to do 6 prayer swap boulder orbs

[burnt lichen]

good shout

aranea boots are giving the same benefit as prims for melee shield

[craggy cobalt]

yeah for me I just don't care so much about D1-D5, I'm happy to lose a tiny bit of time, but if I kill D6-D8 before earthen shield I'm very happy

[wise spire]

[burnt lichen]

for reg phase, aranea boots are 0.17 damage lost per tbow shot

[north axle]

any obvious changes to make here?

my pb is bailing after 7

i am thinking i might add a bp

and try to spec car

for heal

[craggy cobalt]

Scythe and Aranea boots apparently, also assuming you don't have ZCB?

[night zephyr]

read up in chat

[north axle]

no zcb

[burnt lichen]

aranea boots break even at 23.5 tbow shots

[night zephyr]

spider boots strong

[north axle]

i have been bclawing

instead of scythe

i assumed that would be better bc no zcb to spec with

i very rarely want to melee and have to scratch

[wise spire]

if you don't have zcb I'd run chally

[burnt lichen]

is it just me, or is melee shield more rare at later waves?

[north axle]

it's significantly rarer

[craggy cobalt]

extremely rare

[north axle]

which makes me want to not bother as much with it

bc the late waves are the hard ones

i dont need an inv space dedicated to jsut 1-4

[night zephyr]

So when he did the melee shield after I got 3 melee grubs on wave 8 its just an unlucky go next

[craggy cobalt]

yeah so maybe just a Pegs angle, or a spoon treads angle

[night zephyr]

i focused on orbs prayed them all correct and got 99ed when I was done lol

[north axle]

that does sound unlucky yes

btw do we actually know if/when def reduc caps?

can it go to 0 with 3 ralos?

[night zephyr]

60 floor

so 30 drain

[north axle]

so only 1x ralos hit

or slightly over

thanks

[burnt lichen]

summary for ultor camp + aranea boots camp:
as long as you get 1 scythe punish per 30 tbow shots (on reg phase, not car phase), then it's worth it

[maiden cedar]

What setup are people running without tbow

[wise spire]

scobow and void

aranea are +1 avg, prims +3 avg for chally

[proven owl]

i think melee hit happens before the shield which doesnt exist in first couple of waves

but later on you zcb > tbow and instantly go to the shield most runs

[burnt lichen]

ah

i watched gnomonkey's first completion, and the amount of tbow hits on reg vs. car were approx equal

[dense ginkgo]

If you don't own ZCB is it still worth Ralosing later waves or just Scobo all your spec energy

[night zephyr]

hes started saving zcb for start of car phase

since its guaranteed to hit

[proven owl]

what does he actually hit with it then tho

wont boss be below 110 threshold

[burnt lichen]

if u open with zcb and land at start tho, u can skip first set of flicking

[wise spire]

wait, are we saying that melee is a mech you can skip with burst dps?

[burnt lichen]

mech?

[wise spire]

mechanic

[dense ginkgo]

Mechanic

[burnt lichen]

yea idk, ive seen some glitchy stuff, see this clip for example

what the heck is happening here lol

[night zephyr]

I think its also more about making sure as much as possibler that he skips the orb special after car

[wise spire]

you can skip the orb special???

[burnt lichen]

orb special skip?

what are the actual mechanics here

[wise spire]

or are you just referring to killing him

[proven owl]

shield happens at an hp threshold i think so if you have a projectile in the air as he puts up his melee hit shield it will transition to the shield

[burnt lichen]

but why though

im pretty sure that doesn't happen on early waves

[wise spire]

new tech

[burnt lichen]

you can accidentally shoot it again with melee shield

and melee shield will still be up

if anything that's a bad thing, you want to get the melee shield hit

[wise spire]

don't zcb at the start, get the melee shield, blast him for 100

[proven owl]

no the projectile needs to be shot before he puts up the melee shield

[burnt lichen]

[north axle]

that make ssense

[burnt lichen]

so you do that from level 5+?

[north axle]

and you don't see that ever on early waves bc blue shield isn't an option

[proven owl]

this does mean you need to deal with wave 8 double boulders 100% of the time but might be worth it

[north axle]

so you should only be seeing melee shield on late waves if you have bad dps, right?

or would you just stall

[proven owl]

ye its if your zcb misses or tbow doesnt hit 70+ or whatever it takes

im not sure exactly how much dmg it is for shield to spawn

[wise spire]

I mean, I'd rather deal with double boulders consistently at the start than have to juggle that shit at random timing in orb phase

[proven owl]

110+ 60-80 i think but not sure

[burnt lichen]

wait for ultor camp, that means the loss of some zcb on some phases

isnt that giga bad

[wise spire]

death charge bby

spec is practically unlimited

[burnt lichen]

even with that its not enough sometimes

[wise spire]

aight I ran some calcs on scobow and boots

pegs are even better than for tbow

[night zephyr]

My 3 wave 8 attempts have been insanely unlucky

1. 3 melee grubs
2. 3 melee grubs into melee punish shield into 2 rocks
3. 3 melee grubs into melee punish into 2 rocks

I see them get nice ranged grubs time to sit there and pray

no melee punish during rocks

[wise spire]

I'd consider ignoring those grubs

until you're consistently knocking out 8 at least

[craggy cobalt]

fun fact about the grubs, Osto remembers how many have been consumed over the run, so it's supposed to be a scaling mechanic

but since nobody really lets grubs in early they kinda do nothing on wave 8 usually

[night zephyr]

i ignored for the 3rd, but the combo of having to go for the melee punish at same time as 2 rocks killed me

[burnt lichen]

im looking at delaying zcb

its 4 damage better to do it on car phase

so if ur ever getting less than 110 that's not gunna be worth it

[night zephyr]

he was getting around 90-100

[craggy cobalt]

just focus prayers, if you get hit a 20 by rockfall it doesn't really matter

[burnt lichen]

does that actually enable a melee hit on later phases, by delaying zcb?

[night zephyr]

He was doing it because your damage pre car phase is capped anyway by when the shield goes up.

[proven owl]

i think its about getting dmg done post shield phase rather than getting more dmg

[night zephyr]

delaying zcb post shield is uncapped

so you are way more likely to skip the shield phase

[craggy cobalt]

is this also accounting for doing a tbow shot with low accuracy at the start vs 100% accuracy tbow shot during car

[night zephyr]

The logic makes sense. you may do less dps but are more likely to skip the hardest mechanic of the boss

[proven owl]

the problem is how much the zcb is reduced by

[night zephyr]

alive dps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dead dps

[proven owl]

if it hits 60s

then its not great

[night zephyr]

he was consistently hitting 90+ from the 30 minutes I watched

[burnt lichen]

yea im looking at the relative difference in each scenario

reg zcb - reg tbow vs. 100% zcb - 100% tbow

but it could be a good strategy if it enables the melee hit

[craggy cobalt]

Are Ostos specials health based or time based? Cause if they're health based then I do kinda see the value in speccing at car versus at start

Since you might not get earthen shield

[burnt lichen]

wait could u explain more about this cap

[night zephyr]

first shield going up is health based

[burnt lichen]

but your damage that procced it still goes through, right?

[night zephyr]

car phase starts after the threshold

Not sure on that one

but chancing 1 tbow hit applies to both scenarios

so i dont think it would matter

regardless if you get a low proc or a high proc, delaying zcb lets you do more damage post shield to have a better shot at skipping earthen shield phase

I should probably mention I have never done this as I dont own a tbow or zcb, but it was pretty clear what was going on and you can observe the shield phase starting when you hit a HP threshold every run yourself.

[craggy cobalt]

yeah that seems very worth to me, since 90% of my deaths are in shield phase

[night zephyr]

Exactly

[north axle]

time for the final boss...

[drifting swift]

how much kc do you need for leaderboard/

[night zephyr]

Sure if you perfect shield phase and never die to it, ZCB first every time. But it seems like shield phase is the crux

[craggy cobalt]

gl 👑

[north axle]

well

that sure was something

[night zephyr]

Thats how my last 3 wave 8s have gone

[craggy cobalt]

the wave 8 prayers are super hard to learn

[north axle]

i was not ready for how fast the firs attack of the first orb of 8 happened

i flicked the last 4 hits correct

but not the first two

[craggy cobalt]

cause you have 1 tick to turn your prayer on and the pattern is weird

[north axle]

and by then 2/3 melees got in

[night zephyr]

Got the prayers on the 3rd. Didn't get the 99 from the melee shield phase during them

[north axle]

tbh

i could have lived 100%

forgot to eart

eat

[night zephyr]

Was that your first 8?

[drifting swift]

yea

[weary garden]

is this a problem though? healed 20 hp and did 2 dmg to you?

[night zephyr]

Yeah I need to rewire my brain that if I see melee grubs delve 8 I ignore.

keeps throwing me off

[north axle]

yeah

but i just let myself die to it instead of eating for some reason

and it was like 6 damage x2

[night zephyr]

Alright I stop yapping about my wave 8 deaths I go send it instead

[north axle]

this definitely seems good enough to just lock in on till a few clears

then i can add melee

[wise spire]

ok my new problem with this boss is now clickboxes

yellow clicks straight inbetween his skangly body parts

[night zephyr]

Does total delves on clog count as 1 run or 1 wave?

[proven owl]

does demonbane do anything to the rocks you hit to spawn your protection ball

ive been swapping to my scobow but not sure if i need to or not

[night zephyr]

I don't think so

even if it does I dont think its worth the mental effort at higher delves

Okay

I need to stop putting mokha in the corner at the end of car phase

you are so much more limited on earthen shield paths if you do that

[maiden cedar]

does this look alright or

[wispy knot]

bclaws and scythe?

[maiden cedar]

isnt scythe better for the shield

[north axle]

lowkey if i had a zcb i had that kc

[wispy knot]

honestly it might be

don't really have a scythe to test tho

[main briar]

I leak so many when they're melee on the mid waves and I just CBA getting to them with the acid

[wary oriole]

what are u guys talking about with "dps check"

there's no real dps check

[burnt lichen]

yep

it's like a skill issue dps check

[arctic niche]

is there a vod of someone actually do it properly?

[deft estuary]

anyone hae shield true tile markers?

[stuck cape]

Idk, gnome monkeys guide is basically just “do crazy dps to kill b4 the orb”

His w8 was 1:10 or something in the worlds first

[burnt lichen]

what part

here's some decent examples

[north axle]

this is hella clean

[burnt lichen]

i missed some attacking ticks and I believe I dodged 2nd debris 1 tick earlier than necessary

unrelated ticks in this but I believe these are the actions

you need to move on the middle prayer of the 1st volley

[vapid lintel]

catching up on everything here - for void + scobo setup, am i correct in saying:

no void melee helm swap
lb over b ring (if using chally as sole spec)?
prims over aranea (if u dont have pegs)?
how about rancour over anguish?

[kind sandal]

Why are people using void now, this feels terrible compared to masori

[vapid lintel]

because we dont have tbow

should have clarified - this question is for scobo setup

[kind sandal]

o

[vapid lintel]

or for those missing any piece of masori

[vapid lintel]

u right, thats on me, clarified above

[night zephyr]

Void is still good for scobo

Oh

I see I misread

[stuck cape]

Am I correct that wave 7/8 go , grub shield, race car, orb special, repeat

[vapid lintel]

damn dude i just realized ur solojawn, ive used so many of ur yt guides man, thank you... ur a beast

[wise spire]

was down to 500k in death's coffer

turns out I have 35m in seeds just chilling in the bank

[wise spire]

according to gnomonkey, each hitsplat causes the boss to shoot out acid

so in 6+ he doesn't summon thrall until shield phase to reduce the amount of acid created

[burnt lichen]

nvm on aranea boots + ultor, u need lightbearer

[vapid lintel]

how can u tell during shield phase if u have to hit him with demonbane melee or normal melee?

keep getting smacked 99 on wave 7/8 to using chally - is it different mechanics on those waves?

or am i just missing something

referring to when hes praying mage/range, and has both yellow charge meter and blue shield hp above him

[proven owl]

if praying range/mage you can hit him with any melee, preferably crush and if not then any demonbane

[vapid lintel]

so demonbane instead of chally? chally seems works on the earlier waves

[proven owl]

he doesnt do the demonbane shield early waves

ur just hitting the range/mage shield multiple times

[vapid lintel]

thanks thats what im missing

the demonbane shield is when he has all 3 hp bars?

or how can u tell

[proven owl]

he starts charging up and doesnt have protection prayers

also it starts at an hp threshold so you know when itll come up roughly

[vapid lintel]

thank you 🙏

ahhh nice ok

[proven owl]

current guess is at 150-200 dmg from start

[vapid lintel]

appreciate u ty

and that is only waves 6+?

[proven owl]

eh 4+ or something

haven't rly paid attention to exactly which wave it starts

[vapid lintel]

i weirdly have not struggled with it until wave 7

got it, thank you