Yama - May 14

[tired ivy]

After 3 arclight hits, the maul can only drain like 10 more def anyways.... and it will miss 2/3 of the time lol

[umbral cradle]

duos are typically around 2:30

[forest island]

Is this what you were looking at or did they say that somewhere else?

[wide crypt]

That is what I was looking at yeah

[umbral cradle]

that is not saying to use 3 arclight/emberlight specs into elder maul

its giving u two options

elder maul doesn't fully reduce iirc btw

its like -78 def

but -80 is cap

just a technicality, doesn't matter

[wide crypt]

Word

This pic threw me off. Thought it was saying emberlight or soulhorn\

[umbral cradle]

i see how that could be misleading, but it reads clearly to me

yea I get what u mean

basically how is the boolean logic combined

(elder maul && horn) or emberlight

vs.

eldermaul && (horn or emberlight)

lol

the answer should be very clear though, if you look at his crush defence

he has massive crush defence, so elder maul is unusable unless you are getting 100% accuracy from the horn

[wide crypt]

I didn't look into it much, that was just what came to mind when I saw the pic

and ima keep it a buck, idk how any of the numbers work in this game. I just do what the gamers tell me

[tough violet]

BODMAS

[royal anvil]

lf duo meleers 🫡

[radiant sky]

how good is horned up b claws

[dapper hollow]

Not that good

[radiant sky]

is emberlight swing better

[atomic surge]

bad

it's guaranteed to be shit

the first hit never hits

the second one does

[dapper hollow]

We were debating horned ember vs Bclaw

[radiant sky]

is it just bugged

[atomic surge]

no

[dapper hollow]

But horn Bclaw is bad

[atomic surge]

intentional

to make horn claw not good

[dapper hollow]

No it’s in the blog

They thought horn claw would be too good

So they made it 100% the second hit on both Bclaw n dclaw

[radiant sky]

not entirely sure why they would even change it then

[dapper hollow]

Horn ember is good, Bclaw is good. Bclaw is all your contribution fwiw

Where horn ember , while being similar dps, is not all for you

[forest island]

Wasn’t it supposed to be that the first one could still hit but wasn’t guaranteed, and if it missed then the second would definitely hit? I know it’s also been bugged unless they fixed it today

[radiant sky]

is bgs or emberlight best with no horn btw, saw something about 3 emberlights above

not sure if wiki is accurate

[opal zealot]

3 embers is full drain

80 bgs dmg

[radiant sky]

yeah but which is best

[plush shadow]

still down?

[opal zealot]

accursed scepter is best first then emberlight if you want consistency and bgs if you want potential is my understanding

if no sceptre then bgs only since its more accurate.

[rare thicket]

is this solo and duo?

[digital jetty]

does anyone know, is the second of the 3 bombs in the pattern always the same direction depending on if you made the instance or not?

it seems to be the case that the* bombs always rotate clockwise or anticlockwise depending on if youre instancce owner or not

[atomic surge]

In solos they always slant nw to se

[digital jetty]

in duos as the instance owner they seem to do the same thing

[opal zealot]

any non horn setup

[umbral cradle]

I learned the extend donofly showcased in this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfd5A9NFJoo

Only thing I modified is I moved his Jelly tile 1 east to use the improved "3" tile from regular donofly. I think this is very comfy way to solo yama.

cc @fossil mountain

[cobalt jungle]

I've just been maging my duos, and it's gone pretty well,

I saw a few people were doing Melee P1/P2 and maging p3,

Aside from having to flick from melee prayer to block the autos, is there anything different?

Do extra void flairs spawn every time he melees in p1/2 as well?

[vast quarry]

can you export these for me

[umbral cradle]

no

lmfao gunna try the horn alt

[cobalt jungle]

Oh that's sweet

[vast quarry]

dont forget the tiles

[umbral cradle]

yea ill send when i go

[cobalt jungle]

Meleeing p3 is the choice between having more void flares, or dealing with fireballs then

[wise tulip]

is there actually any content where oathplate helm is used over torva?

[plush shadow]

not sure but id assume it would lean on being better for awakend dt2 bosses

[umbral cradle]

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"4.2" is used for duos

[vast quarry]

ty sir

[umbral cradle]

if you get unlucky on DPS, use "4.2" if you are the non-instance owner to dodge the hourglass on the jelly cycle (this happens like 3rd or 4th lap cant remember which)

(by use 4.2, go to 4.1 then 4.2 right away and attack, instead of going to 4.1 and waiting 1 tick like normal donofly)

[vast quarry]

king shit

[umbral cradle]

you normally kill it before then though

[vast quarry]

for the "wait" tile

do u wait 1t after the attack

then move to purple

[umbral cradle]

i would just watch the youtube video or my clip i uploaded above

i dont wanna say something misleading

[vast quarry]

no worries, ty

[umbral cradle]

here's yama P3 attack pattern

lmk if u think its wrong if some1 is interested

that info is only really relevant if ur trying to do something fancy and think about it

[dapper hollow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/RXtwoa1II8

[umbral cradle]

@vast quarry there are some problems with the cycle

existing minor problems with taking some hourglass hits deep in the cycle from the video

and im also concerned about how I moved the jelly tile east 1 tile, im wondering if NW spawn happens if you get dragged when you cast demonbane (not sure)

[vast quarry]

from my 3 kills so far ive witnessed

taking 1 hour glass hit (not that bad)

and I got dragged once from hitting a far void orb, but I think there should always be a situation where u can hit one without being dragged

its only got 5 spawns iirc?

[umbral cradle]

wym

i think only 4

2 north 2 south?

[umbral cradle]

ur implementing it ?

[vast quarry]

yessir, been going smoothly so far

[vast quarry]

oh possible

let me go into arena

[umbral cradle]

same tick in cycle

my recent run vs. video

it way deep in the cycle, after 2nd jelly

[umbral cradle]

right that's exactly what ive been thinking

[vast quarry]

so for the left "orb" square

u wanna only do those 3

[umbral cradle]

they are 1 tile gap kitty-corner to yama on south, right?

edit

[vast quarry]

the 4th on bottom right will drag u

yee

ive hit that top right on from orb square on the left

[umbral cradle]

i think this should be fine

[vast quarry]

yeah u can reach that with the J tile

ive hit it

[umbral cradle]

so how do we solve that hourglass

[vast quarry]

that's above my paygrade

I got hit underneath yama

so I have no idea

[umbral cradle]

when where

[vast quarry]

i dont mind taking 1 hit a kill tho

[umbral cradle]

i mean if we can make it perfect why not

[vast quarry]

somewhere here

i think its because an hourglass fell on me when I was on the wait tile?

well

it fell during the wait tile

then i ran through yama and got hit going to "4"

[umbral cradle]

an hourglass doesn't happen in the cycle when ur using the wait tile

pls send clip

[quiet flicker]

For duos is it worth to scy on the 5t gap in p3 donofly

Or is a 5t ember better

Cus i been scything but it feels so shit

[vast quarry]

on the 4.1 tile do u instantly attack after maging the orbs

or delay a tick

[surreal rock]

Easy to calc, just check expected hit

In my setup with full bandos assuming full drain it was 4 extra damage

Imo if you get really consistent it might be worth bringing

Also you can last hit with scythe for more consistency and faster death animation

[radiant sky]

from my experience having extra food to drop to your teammate is much more valuable

it will depend on where you find teammates but most ppl you play with wont be avoiding all damage

[surreal rock]

Yeah I don't bring it

[radiant sky]

this is what i bring for money kills

i dont think there is anything im missing that would increase kph

[surreal rock]

Pretty much the same for me except I make my duo maul because I dont have one

[cobalt jungle]

If I melee camp the boss in p3, and my partner mages, do I still get fire orbs?

[radiant sky]

no

[cobalt jungle]

Sick

[radiant sky]

you just get railed by melee autos

and a lot of adds spawn

[cobalt jungle]

How do the melees line up with autos?

Could I camp melee prayer and flick the mage/ranged on animation?

[radiant sky]

you only get melees if you stand in melee range

he doesnt mage or range

he melees and spawns 1 add every time

[cobalt jungle]

Hmm

[radiant sky]

would highly recommend just doing donofly if you want to melee

[cobalt jungle]

Very likely will, I've been watching people lab it out until it's optimized

Probably necessary for contracts

[surreal rock]

It's already good enough to use imo

Even if you tank an occasional fireball late into it if your duo is mage camping

[cobalt jungle]

Would a good way to practice that be to do solos, melee until first orbs and then swap to mage?

[languid harbor]

psa if you're doing dolo donyfly make sure the alt isnt the host... or you get bombed by the fireballs at the end

[vast quarry]

@umbral cradle

i figured it out

at 1:20 (this is right after you finish the double wave skip tech and get back into normal cycle), when u go to tile 1

u have to delay right there instead of clicking

i normally just click yama to attack and it drags me in then the delay happens anyway because my attack isnt ready yet

but if u wait there the 1t like you do with 4.1, you can avoid the damage from the skulls

[umbral cradle]

u need to delay a tick

im working on trying to beef up the cycle to account for some of the bad cases

[placid mirage]

at the start, do you always have to delay 1t? I get slapped every time I try to start it

[split pagoda]

if you're the first person to load in and also spawn close enough that you reach the tile in 1 tick then wait on it

if you reach out in 2 ticks then just click the boss

[radiant sky]

does anyone know if there is a way to force the teleport to the judge to happen

not sure what the check is for him to tele us

[faint lily]

The 30% hp threshold feels a lot more consistent than the 60-65ish% threshold

Not sure if that means anything, just what I noticed

[radiant sky]

ive had it go down to 25% before teleporting

i dunno they both seem kinda aids

[surreal rock]

I feel like it does some sort of check a couple ticks before his next auto

He can only teleport in place of an auto/special

[vast quarry]

For me it’s always been once Yama reaches 66% and 33%, he’ll do an attack then teleport after that one

[surreal rock]

Ye

[faint lily]

It would be a lot nicer for pre switches into judge if they were just flat hp % thresholds

[radiant sky]

i wish it worked like sote tele

and was just instant

[winter seal]

👍 dying to special at 28% because u nulled orbs at 34%

[vast quarry]

3kill trip with new donofly

solos

[atomic surge]

I was using slightly different tiles

From the jelly killing video

Don't have the manual walk step

a lot to learn 🤔

[quiet flicker]

They should just remove delay on switching when u enter judge realm imo but not on moving

[quartz glen]

1. so you always wait till your character stops moving on tile 1 before you click boss?
2. same on 4.1?
3. when is 4.2 tile used?
4. around 1:08 it got hectic. Does it always play out exactly like that if you stayed on cycle up to that point?
5. Can you still use that “J” tile if both orbs spawn on the west? Or how do you deal with that

If this is all addressed in another video lmk

[quiet flicker]

Prob how theyre gonna qol

[atomic surge]

shadow camp with sgs judges is basically prayer pot gated

it's whisperer with less movement

[radiant sky]

shadow camp is gp gated

[atomic surge]

hold on

[radiant sky]

im glad melee is meta lol

[tired ivy]

[atomic surge]

5t for good judge cycle

restores 100hp a kill

[surreal rock]

are you cooking

[atomic surge]

🧑‍🍳

brought to you by the creator of guthans no mage inferno

[quiet flicker]

yamathma gandhi

[atomic surge]

Guthans turned out to be a little too unreliable unfortunately

who couldve guessed

[surreal rock]

lol

[sour iron]

I like melee p1 p2 mage p3

[surreal rock]

I donofly melee until I get orbs then finish with mage

but I haven't done much solo, I think duo is much more fun

[radiant sky]

feelsbadman

[faint lily]

Yeah that would help too. The pause where you see your inventory but can't interact kind of feels weird

Might be engine issue though cause it's 2 different instances

[stiff dagger]

It's actually not an instance

You're still in the room just on the edges, you can orient your camera and right click yama before you get tele'd back

[atomic surge]

how many kills/trip

[tawny imp]

What specs do you+duo use once u hit a horn?

[atomic surge]

one horns one elders

then both bclaw ideally during donofly

[vast quarry]

gonna wait til 2 pieces before using them?

[wicked comet]

waiting until 450 shards atleast i think

[tawny imp]

does horn use ember at all? no b claws on either but d claws r an option

[vast quarry]

assuming he gets to 450

(he will!!)

[radiant sky]

ye

[vast quarry]

based

hope u get something soon king

[tired ivy]

already 450 damn lol

[radiant sky]

no i have 350 i was just posting it as a meme cuz i would have had an item

[tired ivy]

still a lot

[radiant sky]

ye but not enough

[wicked comet]

[quiet flicker]

is this infnite hcances at pet?

or just one chance?

[atomic surge]

one chance

[quiet flicker]

[atomic surge]

it's such a masive incentive to service

little timmy pulls a guaranteed oathplate contract but only has one chance

oathplate would be huge on the ironman but there is no chance he can 1nd it

or he can run parsec for 10 minutes

[quiet flicker]

I swear i read once u get a contract u cant back out of it

but damn thats monka af

prob gonna butcher it fpr sure

[atomic surge]

No it's just a tradable item

[radiant sky]

i feel like reddit is gonna completely break down and go burn up the jagex building if the oathplate contract isnt extremely easy

[quiet flicker]

oh i see

[atomic surge]

once you start the fight, you've already consumed it, it's exactly liek an orb as far as we know

[quiet flicker]

didnt realize this one was tradeeable aswell

crazy stuff.

[atomic surge]

so imagine if you got an orb from vardorvis that guaranteed an ultor vestige

1/1320 droprate

even if you have a main probably cost a few hundred mil to learn the fight

[quiet flicker]

true true

[atomic surge]

like I won't service obviously but it's such a bad system

[tired ivy]

if it exists people will service it

[atomic surge]

the radiant oathplate contracts are rare but the oathplate piece/horn kit is like 1-2 per pet rate

[tired ivy]

dont add any updates

[surreal rock]

2

[atomic surge]

I think there is a line between 'don't add any updates' and 'don't add an entry fee hard mode where you get 1-2 attempts per account and success saves you 20ish hours'

[brave bronze]

at least the radiant oathplate ones you just farm demons outside

feel like people are printing them pretty consistently

[quiet flicker]

whats that?

didnt even know about it

[radiant sky]

i mean there is no guarantee its actually gonna be a hard mode tho right

it could just be a solo yama kill

[atomic surge]

well I would hope it would be

[radiant sky]

for that specific contract

[tired ivy]

yeah so much baseless speculation

[atomic surge]

it's supposed to be awakened tier 😭

[radiant sky]

did they clarify that all the contracts are awakened tier?

or just oathplate cosmetic

[atomic surge]

I thought they had but I could be wrong

I thought the whole point was that contracts are all hardmode

[radiant sky]

i barely read any of the recent blogs so dont assume i know anything ^^

[atomic surge]

Contracts are tradeable agreements that you can bring to Yama, sign on the dotted line and he'll show you a little more of his power in a more challenging fight,

Yama will show off more of his power regardless of what Contract you've signed, but each bespoke Contract should change the way that you approach the fight fundamentally,

[radiant sky]

but it could just be that it makes you solo instead of duo

[atomic surge]

We'll see I suppose

[radiant sky]

or maybe they hadnt thought anything through when they wrote that and just thought it sounded cool

ye i think we should just wait and worst case itll be funny to read reddit

[surreal rock]

I think most likely they only have some barebones idead

And are waiting to see how people kill the vboss

[radiant sky]

personally i think some of the contracts will be very difficult but im not super convinced that they will all be

[atomic surge]

Yeah it's possible they just don't exist yet and they are going to make them all this week

in which case presumably it will require solo melee p3 methods

[surreal rock]

I think the ones with guaranteed unique drops have to be hard

[atomic surge]

I think the radiant ones names are pretty big tells

[surreal rock]

Otherwise there will be no profit in doing them because they will just be about the same price as the uniques

Presumably almost all of them will be done by the most skilled players because they buy them for the challenge

[radiant sky]

i think making those very difficult is "political" suicide by jagex ^^

helping the top 0.01% of players at the direct cost of the majority

[atomic surge]

I don't think it matters, they will end up a few mil below item price so that assuming 100% kill rate and including ge tax you make 20-30m/h

[surreal rock]

but if they aren't they'll not be any profit

I'm not even sure about that, they seem so rare they might be bottlenecked by port khazard types

if they are fun

so end up being more expensive than the items

[radiant sky]

i doubt there are enough port khazard types to have a meaningful impact on the market

[radiant sky]

ye this is roughly what id expect to happen

even if its just a regular solo, the fact that u lose so much on death will push out a lot of people from doing it

if it becomes bad gp then the best players who get 100% success rate will just stop doing it

and then itll become good gp again

[faint lily]

Going so dry you hit 450 shards before an item is gonna be sad

You don't even want to craft the armor piece because you want to wait to see which 2 you actually get.

Id probably wait till like 650 shards and no pieces to craft a chest piece

But that's very uncommon

[tired ivy]

wouldnt make any before 900 tbh

[radiant sky]

i dont think chest would save enough time to be worth the risk of getting it as ur first item

[tired ivy]

or 2/3

[radiant sky]

tbf i kinda want to greenlog regardless so i should prob just make chest when i can

assuming crafting doesnt give you a clog id have to get all the items anyway

[faint lily]

I don't think it does. Can check solo mission vid if it does. But I didn't remember a clog popping up

But yeah if you are a clogger greenlogging may as well craft early

[winter seal]

even after getting all the shards it takes quite a while

[radiant sky]

or actually if im a clogger do i craft anything

how long does it take to mine lol

[wraith summit]

The guaranteed oathplate piece contracts will be clogger items

[atomic surge]

15 minutes to make apparently

dunno how long to mine before you make

[wraith summit]

I expect them to be more than the item itself

[winter seal]

my friend said someone spent 2 hours

[atomic surge]

good point tbh

[winter seal]

but that's def not the mining star afk way

it's 2520 "ores"

[atomic surge]

i dont think we know if you get clogs

[winter seal]

some napkin math of 3 ticking is 76 minutes

[atomic surge]

what if I just get all 3 pieces from the boss instead of doing that

[winter seal]

sounds like a good deal

was considering maybe afking some at work

wiki says the mining star method is 140-200 ores per hour

[atomic surge]

10 hours

for 1 piece

[wraith summit]

Yeesh

Is it as afk as stars though?

Could legit run that in the background while I just play factori

[winter seal]

it's kinda like zeah rc mining so yh

juts gotta swap rocks once in a while

[wraith summit]

Oof

Nevermind then

[winter seal]

it makes a sound, should easily be afkable

changes every 5 minutes or so

[wraith summit]

Still requires interaction

Oh 5 minutes aint bad

I was expecting 30s

[tired ivy]

if you're 100+ hrs in with 2/3, that sounds pretty good

[winter seal]

13-18 hour is wild, thought I could afk it at some convenient point but nah

[radiant sky]

get to 3 ticking

we're all skillers now

[winter seal]

the cloth is so weird to use for 3 ticking

[swift thistle]

I would happily 3t for an hour lol

[wraith summit]

Just afk a few hours while you're doing other shit then 3t it for like 45 minutes

[brave bronze]

Do you get the clog for crafting?

[swift thistle]

[winter seal]

You do not get the clog

[sudden ocean]

Surely oathplate contracts just end up costing slightly less than oathplate pieces

Buying up oathplate contracts and selling the oathplate pieces could end up being just jagex sanctioned services

[sacred badge]

Somehow the contract costs almost as much as the full set right now lmao

(it only gives one piece)

[winter seal]

it's 88m

[sacred badge]

Oh wiki oathplate prices are wrong nvm

[winter seal]

yeah because they use ge value and not real time value

[agile wolf]

i mean depends if u can clear them 95+% of the time

[winter seal]

only changes 5% per day so takes a while to reach real values if jagex doesn't correct it

[quiet flicker]

oaky uhh

these diablocial worms are insane

anglers dont feel afk anymore

unless im getting insanely lucky

[atomic surge]

7 worms per kc

ish

[quiet flicker]

not bad

[atomic surge]

do you use both a worm and a spirit flake, or is it just aworm?

[quiet flicker]

one angler per trip

in exchange for 7

both

[atomic surge]

oo

[winter seal]

are they consumed at the same rate?

[quiet flicker]

ye

each fish

well, each catch

bro they might be bugged no lie ive been 3ticking anglers

like 6 times in a row

[dapper hollow]

That’s part of it

[quiet flicker]

insane

[dapper hollow]

They give a chance to roll sooner

[quiet flicker]

didnt know they wanted to buff it that greatly

[dapper hollow]

They give less xp

[quiet flicker]

ye but u wouldnt care about xp when at anglers

[dapper hollow]

It’s meant to be angler fish drops that have a small skilling barrier, similiar to blood essence

[quiet flicker]

i see

[dapper hollow]

It’s the best pet rate besides 2t swords tho

[quiet flicker]

oh shit

true i forgot

[dapper hollow]

But I just think of it as the boss dropping angler fish

[quiet flicker]

ye it balances out well imo for irons

letting only the boss drop them

[dapper hollow]

Just funny that they lock angler fish drop behind fish/cook lvl,

But then the boss drops 800 wrath runes and pre fletched dragon darts

Which actually were skilling locked before this

[sacred badge]

Wrath runes still came in small quantities but close enough yeah

[quiet flicker]

as a maxed player i dont think about that shit

but ye

thats kinda absurd

[swift thistle]

Aren't green logged vork and yama close in the amount they give? Not that one isn't far more important but it's kinda funny

[sacred badge]

Supplies to Yama green log are going to wildly vary depending on contract RNG and completion rates

[dapper hollow]

They are close yeah

But glog isn’t the average experience

[sacred badge]

Actually contracts stack so RNG isn't a big factor

Also for mains/GIMs you could green log Yama with very low KC since contracts are tradeable, which is funny

[dapper hollow]

A lot more irons are gonna grind oathplate then visages

[dapper hollow]

Well they’ve made it clear they aren’t afraid of cloggers when it comes to designing mechanics

Moons was 100% buyable

And then they made this a 100% pet contract with no rng source on release

[sacred badge]

On paper yes but it was very expensive, with enough skill it's straight up profitable for Yama

[dapper hollow]

So it’s clear how much they care about cloggers

[sacred badge]

Oh right besides pet

[dapper hollow]

I’m surprised ppl assume that contracts will be cheaper than the 100% items

[agile wolf]

cuz u can fail

[dapper hollow]

I think they’ll be just slightly higher, if ppl can do the fights profitably supply and demand will take over

Ppl like hard shit

[sacred badge]

And because clogging is still relatively niche

[dapper hollow]

I just think people will want to do them more than they’re coming into the game

[sacred badge]

I doubt more than 500 people are holding off for contracts to get the log slots

And if you're not doing it for the collection log or profit, then why would you do it?

[dapper hollow]

Why do ppl do awakened over n over

For fun

It’s a video game

[sacred badge]

Very very few people do that though, it's blorva that keeps orb prices up

[dapper hollow]

Very few ppl do thousands

But there’s a lot of ppl with 10-20’kc at their favorite awakened

[sacred badge]

Orbs have a daily volume of 8355

Even if 100 people have done 100 KC, that makes up a little more than one day of orbs over the years they've been out

[dapper hollow]

I’m not saying they’re sending it daily, I’m just saying a good amount of ppl don’t just do 1 kc and never go back

[sacred badge]

And I think 100 people is very highballing it

[dapper hollow]

No shot

It’s way more than 100

Look at the pvm clans, they have pb leaderboards and there’s dozens of names going for pbs at the diff awakeneds

[sacred badge]

Do you have a link to one of their sites?

[dapper hollow]

Their site? Vintage, oblivion, sanity, valiance, just check their discords

[sacred badge]

Their Discords, then

[dapper hollow]

NSA, precision , just scrolling through my channels. Sure I can dm

[fast reef]

Don't think the oathplate contract will be profitable it's too much rarer than the drops themselves.

[quiet flicker]

how many does it give?

or is it just a straight up drop, not shards

[tired ivy]

there's a shard one and a drop one

[quiet flicker]

o.o

[sacred badge]

Then who would be buying it

[quiet flicker]

gims

i cna just imagine someone like port buying like 50 of those contracts and do them

yama with full invy of oathaplate

new challenge

ok idk if im tripping

but i think i just fished 729 anglers in1 hr

but im p sure i was out

37.7k xp

[faint lily]

I got around 700ish anglers in an hour with spirit flakes too

It's around a 40% catch rate I believe so it checks out

[quiet flicker]

insane

[fast reef]

People who do awakened bosses for fun/challenge at cost. Maybe long term contract price will crash and oathplate price will increase but I think mid term people will spend money for the privilege of doing the fight, not for profit.

[cobalt jungle]

Getting spirit flakes for anglers is still not efficient right

[radiant pendant]

Is there a non sweaty method for donofly in duos where the non host doesn’t get rekt by fireballs, in p3

[civic epoch]

should i still bring horn if my duo doesnt have elder maul? just got it

[tired ivy]

dwh?

[civic epoch]

oh true

[wraith summit]

finally got 2 melee only solos back to back in one trip

I know there's the whole thing with duos being more shards from lockboxes and what not, but the kill times for solo are so much faster

5:30-ish solo vs 3:15-ish duo

[winter seal]

is an extra tile click sweaty compared to not doing it?

[honest monolith]

explain the alts

[radiant pendant]

What’s the tile? The only method I’ve seen used like 3-4 extra tiles !

[heady atlas]

I heard @royal anvil knows

[quiet flicker]

tbh stalling on the tile for a tick after compensates for it imo

ppl make it too big of a deal

but they probably will fix the fireeballs at one point

cant see them keeping that invisible mechanic

so ppl can use the all run tiles

[sacred badge]

what's the deal with your alt?

[winter seal]

idk 17 damage from the hourglass is 1 piece of food, nice to not waste.
Would be nice for them to fix if it's unintentional. Shit is probably also gonna be bad for 3t methods

[sudden ocean]

I don't think anything about donofly is intentional

[winter seal]

well I was thinking the fireballs being opposite orientation even tho they're "local"

[radiant pendant]

Yeah, like I wouldn’t mind it if I was doing 1 kill trips or had sgs but I try to do like 4-6 kill trips and it def adds up :/

[quiet flicker]

i thought we were talking about the "improve" dono fly tiles where u get hit by the 4th rotation of fireballs

but yeah the hourglass is fixable too i thought?

the non-host or whoever needs to hit the 4.2 tile instea dof stalling 1 tick on 4.1

[radiant pendant]

Do u have this tile? I only have 4:1 tile and the other one below that which is the jelly tile on the glyph

[quiet flicker]

If you are the second person and taking hourglass hits on 4.1 - run to this tile before your attack
[{"regionId":6045,"regionX":26,"regionY":28,"z":0,"color":"#C0C096ED","label":"4.2"}]

[winter seal]

oh yh I thought donofly since that's still most common. but yeah both have a solution for the non host hit

[quiet flicker]

ah i see

but theres no fix for the 4th fireball on the "improved" donofly is there?

so thats why ppl went back to the original im p sure

[winter seal]

using the original 4.1 inssead of his 5th tile and delaying a tikc afaik

[quiet flicker]

yeah

i used to do the 5 thign then we realized and went back

[winter seal]

but the rest can still be 0 tick delay

[quiet flicker]

imma just keep doing this

seems the best op tion for now

[radiant pendant]

Ty

[quiet flicker]

puggin uses it alot cause his gear is shit im p sure

[forest lagoon]

12 dossiers and 0 oathplate contracts

half way to 450 shards as well. How was this supposed to be a better system than awakeners orbs

[atomic surge]

apparently what I am using is "monofly"

the one with no manual walk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZEWP3iJtck

next I will learn this

[dapper hollow]

Stop opening them

[atomic surge]

wait for buff

[dapper hollow]

Goblin on Reddit 2 days ago “That said, we do hear the concerns around Contract rarity and agree that they're rarer than they need to be, we're confident that we can safely lower their rarity and will likely do so in the near future!”

If you open them ur trolling urself

You can’t even use them yet

[forest lagoon]

Damn forgot to check jmod reddit accounts

skill issue mb

[radiant pendant]

I’m also curious as to how contracts r more common than awakener orbs

Nightmare relapse

[tired ivy]

i got 2 of the armor ones but they were a dupe

[forest lagoon]

Seems like an oversight that they don't drop sequentially

[tired ivy]

well you might need more than 1

[dapper hollow]

The system just feels like they forgot 2 lines of code or they have some secret reveal coming

Bc it just seems so fucked as is

[atomic surge]

They are going to say it was a bug

because they don't want to admit it

[forest lagoon]

True yeah I guess it would get messy if they dropped sequentially

[dapper hollow]

I thought , at least maybe once u got dc the dossier would be 75%

[agile wolf]

wait till we learn the fights aren’t done yet

[atomic surge]

they kind of can't be done yet

because apparently they didn't have any idea about melee p3 in solo

[dapper hollow]

Fights r done, the contracts are gonna be CA style restrictions , I’d bet on it

[atomic surge]

they are supposed to be awakened tier?

[forest lagoon]

Im sure they wanted to wait for stuff like the fly methods to be discovered so they can patch out or w/e

[dapper hollow]

It’s just
No magic
Range only
No demonbane
Boss 1 hits you with every attack

All shit that you can replicate

That’s my guess

[tired ivy]

they are not patching it out lol

[forest lagoon]

I mean for awakened fights, if it completely nullifies the contract modifier

[radiant pendant]

Do contracts disappear once u use them, Even if u die or do u keep it until u finish it?

[dapper hollow]

Yeah, they’re consumed

What’s the alt joke that you keep getting asked

I’m ootl

[heady atlas]

This is the gooner alt acc of @royal anvil

He tried lying about it

Got caught

Denies it and ignores people who mention it

[atomic surge]

top 1% is pretty good

[sacred badge]

what's the deal with your alt?

[real galleon]

Just cause ur an outlier.

I've seen more people happy with the new system so my anecdotal evidence is system is perfect

[runic obsidian]

Aren't contracts going to be obtainable in more ways next week anyway

Like from the other demons in the chasm

Seems pointless to complain about their current rarity when we already know they are being buffed in a few days

[tired ivy]

and when we know basically nothing

[radiant pendant]

You think they’ll add it on Wednesday or Friday when contracts are enabled?

[acoustic lava]

Goblin made some comment about buffing contract rates

Probably Wednesday

[sacred badge]

Yeah don't open your Dossiers (besides one when you hit 100 KC for the death charge upgrade)

[cobalt jungle]

what are the specs we're using for melee yama?

friend has horn, i do not

[faint lily]

You can bring emaul/dwh for first hit after horn. Other than that bclaws/claws or even voidwaker

Id guess bclaws are BIS cause of the whole demon thing, but not sure if people have calced

[cobalt jungle]

so one maul and then vw for final?

i was seeing people potentially using emberlight spec?

[tired ivy]

i've seen worse today tbh

[sudden ocean]

horn/maul to start then sgs for later is nice

sgs the judge for long trips

[sudden ocean]

this looks cooked as hell for something that doesn't use the 3t

[tired ivy]

Is this still what people or doing or somethin else? copped my emberlight jsut now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfd5A9NFJoo

[sudden ocean]

here's what i've been doing in duos -- it's basically the "modified donofly" where you don't have to wait on tiles but it incorporates the dodge greg posted for non-hosts when the fireballs start to hit you on rotation 3 (better example that shows the dodge: https://streamable.com/mx3nec)

[{"regionId":6045,"regionX":38,"regionY":31,"z":0,"color":"#769966FF","label":"2"},{"regionId":6045,"regionX":32,"regionY":33,"z":0,"color":"#769966FF","label":"5"},{"regionId":6045,"regionX":32,"regionY":35,"z":0,"color":"#76FF6600","label":"0"},{"regionId":6045,"regionX":33,"regionY":36,"z":0,"color":"#769966FF","label":"1"},{"regionId":6045,"regionX":57,"regionY":50,"z":0,"color":"#769966FF"},{"regionId":6045,"regionX":7,"regionY":50,"z":0,"color":"#76FF6600"},{"regionId":6045,"regionX":29,"regionY":33,"z":0,"color":"#769966FF","label":"3"},{"regionId":6045,"regionX":25,"regionY":31,"z":0,"color":"#769966FF","label":"4"},{"regionId":6045,"regionX":26,"regionY":28,"z":0,"color":"#00FFFFFF","label":"dodge"},{"regionId":6045,"regionX":26,"regionY":30,"z":0,"color":"#00FFFFFF"}]

[tired ivy]

So it just puts the 4 and 1 further away so you just don't idle?

[sudden ocean]

Pretty much yeah

I didn't think it was a big difference but my friends find it cozier

Oh and another thing about the 1 tile

You can start there and wait to click til you see his attack animation

You lose a hit but it's a lot easier to get into cycle

[tired ivy]

does it make a difference if your teammate does slightly different tiles?

[sudden ocean]

nope

only thing your partner can do that affects you is get meleed and spawn bombs

[atomic surge]

huh

i use the monofly and I see my teammates get hit by waves doing normal

I thought I was griefing them in some way

I always host and nobody seems to mind, everybody I have duoed with uses the conventional donofly

[quiet flicker]

after tanking it b2b i coudnt bother anymore

cause it ended the trip early for us lol

and just learnt og donofly

but thats cool i guess, i think people hate stalling on tiles

[tired ivy]

ok first attempt was fine until orbs showed up then i gave up and maged

[sudden ocean]

yea i haven't really learned how to deal with bombs in a clean way for solos, am gonna have to eventually for contracts but w/e i don't even have a purging yet

[sudden ocean]

if you're always hosting then perhaps they are getting hit because they are not using gregs dodge tile

[atomic surge]

but they use n ormal donofly

and not monofly

maybe its just them fucking up tbh

[sudden ocean]

i don't think normal donofly uses the rotation 3 dodge

is it only happening on rotation 3+

[atomic surge]

yeah i think its just them fucking up

i think so

not sure

[sudden ocean]

the tiles i posted solve that

[atomic surge]

when do you use them?

[sudden ocean]

they just don't deal with bombs because kills are almost always too fast for those

[atomic surge]

you don't actually use them in the streamable

ohhh

[quiet flicker]

then theyre fucking it up for sure

me and my non-host duo never get hit

[atomic surge]

yeah that is probably it

[quiet flicker]

when we get to that rotation where u would get hit

but what i noticed is

[sudden ocean]

it would have been the next rotation, pretty bad example clip cause we killed it too fast

[quiet flicker]

im pretty sure one of the autos

hits the non-host fater?

1t faster

and thats why they might be getting hit

on that rotation

[atomic surge]

it's quite comfy doing monofly with pickups because they always use donofly and don't mind me hosting

[quiet flicker]

yeah main reason i went back to donofly is just cause i dont wanna be 2 things

for different situations

i just want one go to

[sudden ocean]

i would make them host and use my modifications so neither of us take damage

[atomic surge]

The guy I learned it with gave me monofly tiles and didnt mention this at all

[quiet flicker]

and donofly works for both so

[atomic surge]

and now

I learned it

[quiet flicker]

i dont think anyone knew

til like late

people found new tiles, didnt get shit dps and just said ye this is new meta

[atomic surge]

Very curious to see which/how many contracts will require melee p3

cause if they were all premade I would kind of assume 0?

but if they in fact weren't premade then probably most/all

[sudden ocean]

I think the problem with donofly in general is it assumes you're the host/soloing

[atomic surge]

I am down to learn it

Maybe on wednesday they will unfuck it

[sacred badge]

with a 9 day gap between boss release and contracts going live they have to be premade

[atomic surge]

it's not like in tob you have to step on a different tick if you aren't the party leader

[balmy raft]

u just click one different tile on the 4th cycles of whatever if ur not host

[atomic surge]

head movement isn't offset in cm3s if the head runner isn't the leader

[quiet flicker]

ye its just spaghetti, no?

[atomic surge]

I assume it's fixable if they can bother

[sudden ocean]

well it's not different ticks i think it's just different orientation of the fireballs

[atomic surge]

a big ask these days

[quiet flicker]

yea i think gnome said

[sudden ocean]

from what I've read

[quiet flicker]

that the balls are not mirrored

host vs non-host

even tho it looks like they hit the same area

they dont

molgoat, sorry not gnome

[atomic surge]

host slants nw to se

nonhost slants ne to sw

right?

[quiet flicker]

ye i think so

has molgoat gotten a realiable way to do that 3t thing he was trying yet?

like a whole cycle to it or not really

[atomic surge]

that is port's video

I think?

[quiet flicker]

O i didnt know

shouldve expected that

[sudden ocean]

ports looks harder tbh

with the scythe tick fixing and stuff

hoping for a 3t method for dummies soon

[quiet flicker]

i hope they lab it before contracts

[runic obsidian]

doing donofly duos, the only part im still kinda struggling with is getting on tick at the start, are there any good guides out there for how to do that

still sometimes unsure if i need to wait a tick or not

also is it ever necessary to skip the first attack from spawning in too late

[quiet flicker]

yes

[sudden ocean]

#1368632190723821729 message

[quiet flicker]

sometimes one of u gets delayed

and cant make it

🍝

[radiant pendant]

I find more people are doing that method, just waiting at tile 1 until he sticks his finger into the air

[quiet flicker]

yea cause its consitent

i just count the ticks, go on 1 xif i know i cant make it

[runic obsidian]

consistency is what i am looking for🤝

[quiet flicker]

yea then do the snap one

100% consistent

snap start

[runic obsidian]

i am ok losing a tick or two just dont report me to the efficiency police

[radiant pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/realkimroro-police-gif-23236998

[sudden ocean]

if you're too late even if you skip the delay tile, you can just not run all the way to tile 2 (the one that would give you a 5t gap between hits)

[quiet flicker]

true

[sudden ocean]

but i highly recommend yowa's tech for learning

way cozier and all you lose is 1 hit

[atomic surge]

There are four scenarios:

You spawn on time 4 tiles south of the throne and must delay 1t
You spawn on time 2-3 tiles south and must click the boss immediately
You spawn late 4 tiles south and must click the boss immediately
You spawn late 2-3 tiles south and must miss first hit.

If both people spawn at the same time (identical animations) then you both need to attack on the tick that you would attack if you spawned by the throne. If you spawn closer to the boss, that is when you delay.

If the other guy spawns 1t ahead of you (animations will be offset) then you spawned late. If you are closer to the boss, you can still make the first hit, but if you spawned by the throne you have to skip the first hit entirely and just get into cycle on hit 2

This is both people doing option 4 intentionally, generally missing ticks

But it is the most consistent as it's the same timing every time

[runic obsidian]

so if we both spawn at the same time, how do i tell if its on time or late

[atomic surge]

once you understand it imo it's pretty intuitive

[atomic surge]

I am pretty sure both people cannot simultaneously be late

only one guy can be late

[runic obsidian]

ok

[atomic surge]

you only need to skip first hit if you are the late spawner and spawn far from the boss

conversely you only need to delay first hit if both spawn on time and don't spawn far from the boss

you can spawn in the three bottom rows in this image

if that makes sense

in the one closest to the boss, you must delay

the twofarthest from the boss, you don't delay

[runic obsidian]

wouldnt it just be the one row closest to the boss thats delayed

[sudden ocean]

you start to get a feel for the timing, like "if i can make it to the delay tile in one tick then i delay, otherwise i don't"

[atomic surge]

or if you spawn late, then the one closer to the boss you don't delay, and the two furthest from the boss you skip first hit

[atomic surge]

no

oh

[runic obsidian]

of those 4 rows, the top one is 1t from the tile, the next row down is 2t from it

[atomic surge]

wait you are right

[runic obsidian]

so how would those both e the same

[atomic surge]

i mixed it up 🤦‍♂️

sorry I wrote it out backwards, you are right

and you are getting the idea

so that is good

but you do just get the hang of it tbh

[runic obsidian]

yeah i understand it intuitively

its just recognizing the late vs on time that might take some practice

thx for the help

[atomic surge]

this is what it looks like when you are late ( the guy behind me)

back two rows, and his animation is clearly behind mine

he has to just get in on the second hit

the visual is super obvious once you know what to look for

[runic obsidian]

yeah i'll just learn it that way seems more fun than the clip linked above where you just afk for a bit

[quiet flicker]

ye its more fun when u can get that first hit in

hopefully they make it so its consitent to do the normal start aswel

cause i hate having to wait for snap

[tired ivy]

I swear i keep getting hit on rotation 3

or am i cooked

[quaint stratus]

i think non host gets fire balled?

[wicked comet]

yea same

[quaint stratus]

post the clip

[wicked comet]

sec

[tired ivy]

ye mine is exactly the same

[royal anvil]

ye non host gets rekt during p3 donofly

[radiant sky]

you can dodge that by moving south 2 tiles on 5

instead of delaying a tick

[tired ivy]

there's no delaying on those tiles

[radiant sky]

ah is it not the standard donofly tile

[quaint stratus]

i remember seeing a different tile mroe south

[tired ivy]

but like this?

[radiant sky]

no

sec ill go to the cave

[tired ivy]

wait thats not south

[radiant sky]

ye

if that cross is the standard 4.1 tile then you go the other direction 2 tiles

instead of delaying a tick

4.2

is where you go

[quaint stratus]

so u go from 3 to 4.2?

then click boss?

[radiant sky]

3> 4.1 > 4.2

[quaint stratus]

i c

[radiant sky]

instead of delaying a tick at 4.1

only on the third rotation as p2 tho

not sure if it messes anything up if you do it at other times

[tired ivy]

how often do you get past that point with 2 melee and maul?

been potting with 1 mage 1 mel and that's the point that orbs spawn anyways

[radiant sky]

eh itll happen once or twice a trip probably

[quaint stratus]

does happen to us

[tired ivy]

Can you just do those tiles every time?

[radiant sky]

i havent tried

[wicked comet]

i fuck up the meleeing like half the time too so doesnt help

[royal anvil]

i wonder if yama has perfect kill loot mechs

[quiet flicker]

what makes orbs spawn

smeone said theres a condition

[royal anvil]

ye it seems like on the 4th go away in donofly he spawns orbs

[quiet flicker]

i mean in p1 p2, sorry

[royal anvil]

oh ye it seems he spawns them after the blue glyph special sometimes but ye idk if its random but usually seems to be after that one, but usually can out dps them

[balmy raft]

it's actually 4 whole ticks that ur losing...

[tired ivy]

for solos is the timing consistent?

been just doign the "direct to 1" shit so far

[atomic surge]

You never have to miss first hit

But you can need to delay 1t if you spawn closest to boss

[atomic surge]

Solo will be scenario 1 or 2

[quiet flicker]

I just tried my first solo

Whats the strat for waves spam

I dealt with orbs and got back in cycle

Just got fuckedd by the wavespam

[quiet flicker]

ok this felt isnanely fast

2nd solo

kinda sucks its a diff method to duos and u need to switch tiles everytime

[umbral cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHlVbfZ02G0

here's the solve i cooked up

those tiles completely solve all orb spawns & all multi waves, and it doesn't shift, it's the same every time

you need to know how to use them, but it's super simple

[quiet flicker]

that was fast as fuck

the p2 i almost skipped 2nd spec

[umbral cradle]

[quiet flicker]

bruh i just learnt the tuducfly or whatever the fuck its called

[umbral cradle]

id recommend the one I just made tonight

it's SUPER simple

and solves everything - consistent every time, very few tiles

[quiet flicker]

im checking it out

[umbral cradle]

no shifting cycle with Void Flares appearing at different spots in the cycle

and no custom multi wave dodge

it's the same dodge as start

[dawn current]

do you know if this work in duo or nonhost still get smoked?

[quiet flicker]

[umbral cradle]

it has same hourglass hit when orbs spawn, that's untouched from original donofly

i could look into making it work for non-host though if you want

but really, that's irrelevant

unless you have two people duoing with dscims

[quiet flicker]

@umbral cradle btw do u know ho to stop orb from spawning p1 p2

is there any trick

[umbral cradle]

all I know about that is it can only spawn if next special if Shadow

it seems random to me, not sure what causes it

[quiet flicker]

Gotcha

[honest monolith]

goat

[dawn current]

all good can just go 2 south like normal donofly, ty

[umbral cradle]

there's another point in the cycle where you'll take a hit two, after you finish killing the jellies

but again this is mainly for solo

the only way this issue could be relevant, since Contracts are solo-only, is if there is a duo CA where both players have to kick the boss to death

[ruby stump]

Jagex frantically changing contracts up so donofly doesnt work

[full shuttle]

This looks nice, is there a tile duos can start from if they like the "snap" sync consistent start? I cba changing my tiles between solos and duos with my mate

[surreal rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7A1bjtep5k

does this solve getting hit by 3rd fireballs as the guest

[umbral cradle]

you can use these tiles in a duo, it might confuse your duo partner, but people can do whatever method they want simultaneously

[surreal rock]

nvm looks it does, neat

[umbral cradle]

i wonder if reversing applies to any pattern

i bet it does

[quiet flicker]

Ok solos are kinda fun

Having to hit bgs or ur in for a long kill kinda sucks

I shud prob just horn alt

[languid harbor]

Horn alt hammer is the way for sure

[quiet flicker]

Ye

I got an insane trip

Hit 2x 70bgs

Both kills were 4:3x

[cobalt jungle]

got an oathplate acquisition contract

[quiet flicker]

[cobalt jungle]

now to wait and see how fucked i am

[quiet flicker]

Good luck next week

I have a pet one

That one prob gonna be the hardest

[full shuttle]

Bgs better than ember spec for solos?

[umbral cradle]

need horn + eldermaul on alt and ur golden

then iron can just dump dps specs

and ur alt teles out

[quiet flicker]

The summerpie

I feel ur pain

[quiet flicker]

Ye im bonding up

Whats the log lookin like btw @umbral cradle

[umbral cradle]

‼️

[quiet flicker]

Damn

So uve done mostl solos?

Feels like so many shadss

[umbral cradle]

ive done <10 solos in total

[quiet flicker]

Shards

[umbral cradle]

just to test the method i made

[quiet flicker]

The fuck

Unlucky u rolled plate 3 times tho lol

[umbral cradle]

[quiet flicker]

Btw how many mauls caps def?

[opal zealot]

1

[surreal rock]

it should since fireballs are mirrored lol

the only part that is not mirroed is dodging the firewall thing

since it's not centered on the boss

[umbral cradle]

i think this is essentially true, its like 77 or 78 out of 80 possible reduction

[surreal rock]

ye you can see he goes two tiles further south on that hit

[sudden ocean]

pinning this solve that avoids the 3rd fireballs as guest

will get a better video later if i can

[heady atlas]

Doesnt gregs do that?

Or am I misunderstanding something

[sudden ocean]

haven't watched it yet but

i did get the dodge tiles from greg's earlier method

[umbral cradle]

when u watch it ur gunna want to insta pin it

its the giga solve

this one #1368632190723821729 message

[umbral cradle]

I watched this guy's video, and it inspired me to make a cycle thats 10x better & simpler ^^ (message link above)

it fixes the problems with void flares spawning at different times, which is what ultimately ruins Attaway's method

mine also saves 1 tick over his method, and has like half the amount of tile markers

[forest lagoon]

Solo helm 2/3 LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO

[heady atlas]

Gzzzzzzzz

[winter seal]

Why did you post my log

Wait nvm no horn

[vast quarry]

anyone have info on how contracts from demons work

[radiant sky]

has anyone tried volatile spec instead of burning claws for solos if you're bringing in half decent magic gear

[forest lagoon]

That sounds awful ngl, how much does volitile spec even get boosted?

[radiant sky]

i dunno i just got reminded of it cuz of a stream where he hit 97

not sure how high it goes

this might be the wrong place to ask now that i think about it lol

i dunno how many have volatile

id go try it myself but i cba bonding up a horn/maul alt when im not gonna do solos for my items

[wispy phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1343983326381473852/1373684644180136040/regular_start_instance_joinfix.mp4?ex=682bf7c4&is=682aa644&hm=dc29e8b78d954472a5a420b9190cc1c6b35125ad961a039bc18cd05ac9e80bcc& vid of 4.2 tile regular donofly for instance joiner if anyone wants, starts at around 30s

[forest lagoon]

I have it, but tbh an 8 way swap for a 5t spec that takes 50% doesn't sound good

[wispy phoenix]

if u go to 4.2 early u get smoked by the wave so ye dont do it until the 3rd

[forest lagoon]

even if it hits a 120 id rather have 2 bclaw specs

[radiant sky]

it would be for solos where ppl are already bringing mage gear

a lot of ppl are doing melee p1+p2 and mage p3

[forest lagoon]

That's what I'm doing as well, I was more commenting on the effort of swapping 8 ways for the spec xd

[radiant sky]

oh

i mean you could prob get away with a 5-6 way but itd have to be boosted a decent amount

[old phoenix]

https://youtu.be/Ee_zOs0Z528?si=v5evZa6YZn4Y3LFJ

Easiest fix as non-host

[dapper hollow]

It’s boosted +50% but it consumes the glyph so you have to be careful with timing

Bc it basically means you have to wait til later to hit red

[radiant sky]

cant you just do it after the yama special has hit you

[sudden ocean]

yes i assume that's what he meant by careful with timing

don't just touch glyph and spec

[radiant sky]

ah ye that's not really a problem

but 50% prob isnt all that much in dps compared to claws

i guess yama will be -30 magic resist so maybe you never miss

[dapper hollow]

90% accuracy in giga max

Average hit would be 57.8 unless there’s an accuracy buff idk about

[radiant sky]

i think it beats claws in dps but costs 20% more energy too so prob not better?

[dapper hollow]

Burning claw average is 48 if you elder boss

So like +19 dmg per burning claw spec, 63 for full spec bar, volatile 61.6 ish

For full spec bar, I don’t even know if the spec is 4t or 5t tbh

I’m assuming 4

[radiant sky]

i dont think its good at 50% boost but i guess its good for mage campers

[dapper hollow]

Yeah if you compare 6 voli + 4 ember hits to 10 b claw specs

But that’s only if the boss is elder’d

[radiant sky]

boss will have its def reduced more and more when horns start rolling in

[dapper hollow]

Without elder Bclaw avg hit goes from 48 to 40

[radiant sky]

i can alrdy set a horn req and find ppl so assuming elder is prob safe

[dapper hollow]

I prefer horn+elder myself less room for goofs

Then the other person horns on 2 during p3 3x

[radiant sky]

i dont own a horn i just force other ppl to own one

[sudden ocean]

If no purging staff I wonder if it would be worth to sang the jellies and tank a lil bit, even shadowing the jellies they still hurt quite a bit

[umbral cradle]

n-no purging staff...

[sudden ocean]

Dry

I do have a tds task though

[umbral cradle]

do u have 2?

can just revert scobo for free if so

[sudden ocean]

Prob gotta get one before contract

1 synapse 4 claws (2 pairs)

I don't like tds very much

They're at that level of boring but still gotta pay attention

[umbral cradle]

are u doing the fun stuff there

like dh axe/ballista/abby dagger

if ur missing one of those 3 then maybe ur not having enough fun so that's why u dont get drop

[sudden ocean]

dh and vw

[umbral cradle]

yea see

[sudden ocean]

i don't have a finished ballista either

missing uhhhh monkey tail i think

i think i have one of each heavy and light that is only missing the same one part

[deep pawn]

anybody got a quick fix to get back into cycle if you mess up the starting hit by either not delaying or delaying when you shouldnt? really sucks to do the other methods because you messed up the first hit lol

[wispy phoenix]

for donofly https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1343983326381473852/1373684785276387451/insta_melee_fix.mp4?ex=682bf7e6&is=682aa666&hm=a63a336bbd839031b1730d5c6629b622f337ed6bf0205e9295713fb592af8692&

for other methods id just mark a tile to get a tick ahead

to deal w the orb u could kill it on 3 or just tank it, this is kinda more duo optimized

if u get insta hit like this vid ur a tick behind, if u get hit when u go in from 2 u are a tick ahead and need to stall an additional tick at 4 but I dont have a video of that

[deep pawn]

perfect that exactly what i wanted will be doing mostly duos ty!

[wispy phoenix]

kk nice

usually ur just a tick behind cause entry is weird and that tile is good for that

[umbral cradle]

just to be clear though, if you don't make a mistake, you're never going to get a delay

if you get a delayed spawn, it was your own fault, and you should anticipate getting a delayed spawn if you made a mistake

if you are a giga gamer, and you see that your partner isn't on the same tick as you killing Judge (seeing when hitsplats appear), you can intentionally lose a tick, to help prevent your partner from being delayed

also make sure neither person is going to south edge of island at end of judge kill - that causes a delay

[radiant sky]

if my partner loses a tick he deserves to be delayed and shamed

speaking of that, will bringing a sang cause your partner to be delayed

since you can save 1-2t depending on fireballs with it

[radiant pendant]

https://youtu.be/g7A1bjtep5k?si=k-UQU3Ng28-GyX2C

This looks like a good method for non host, has anyone done it?

[quaint stratus]

does this boss get some sort of damage reduction closer to phasing

ive only seen my burning claws tick 0 in a couple places before

[umbral cradle]

yea lmao....

if your duo partner is losing a tick and making himself delayed, and then doesn't realize it and baits a melee at start, I think you need to pause after the kill and have a conversation with your duo partner and review some clips

[lament canopy]

ive heard 50% damage reduction after it meets the threshold to phase but before it does

[umbral cradle]

I think this might be true

I've seen burn splats suddenly get reduced, and rounded down to 0 too

Similar to vorkath acid phase

[quaint stratus]

is the boss animation locked and thats why it doesnt phase

sometimes i get rly deep procs

makes pre switching inconsistent

[lament canopy]

hmmm, i thought that was on the wiki already, but i can't see it, but that's almost certainly where i got it from

[surreal rock]

damn at the end the solution was always git gud

[old phoenix]

@radiant pendant this method is easy for non host

[surreal rock]

btw you tank one fireball again after orbs with this

if you duo with a mager that can happen but honestly should probably be host

[surreal rock]

this works but I think modified monofly for non host is best because you can't horn spec well if you mirror

[radiant pendant]

Yeah I meant to post this one

https://youtu.be/g7A1bjtep5k?si=BR_TqLzuuqgh-_4J

Wish it was from the non host perspective

[surreal rock]

https://youtu.be/Ee_zOs0Z528?si=v5evZa6YZn4Y3LFJ

this one is better and easier imo

just run south

[balmy raft]

it's predictable, once he hits the threshold, he does one more attack cycle and then phases