Yama - May 14

[viral quiver]

Sure

[tawny imp]

gimme 5

[tawny imp]

rsn/world?

[viral quiver]

Yegafe, 339

[tawny imp]

add obese eboy

[sour iron]

While not part of the fight, the reclaim chat for the pet

[agile wolf]

holy donowall

[atomic surge]

isn't he always supposed to tick perfect spawn a sigil

i died to a shadow wth 0 shadow sigils available

[faint lily]

Did you you use up a sigil early by accident?

[atomic surge]

i used two

to skip the orbs

is that not always safe?

[faint lily]

Not in solos

[cobalt jungle]

Wait can you skip the orb damage by standing on a glyph

[radiant sky]

has anyone tested the spec weapons being buffed by glyphs tech?

i feel like they would need to be buffed a lot for it to be worth using over something like elder maul+horn and sgs

[dapper hollow]

What is that tech supposed to be

Stand on them when you spec?

[radiant sky]

use a spec right after you've been protected by a glyph

like volatile for fire glyph and eldritch for shadow glyph i think

voidwaker for shadow glyph i think is a thing too

[dapper hollow]

How hard does it hit

[swift thistle]

volatile could be cool if it's mega dmg, hard to beat guaranteed max hit sgs tho

[radiant sky]

im thinking burning claws might be buffed by fire glyph so ill prob try that today

but ye it seems unlikely to be great especially cuz its only usable p1 and p2

[umbral cradle]

https://www.twitch.tv/hiimsido/clip/TolerantPopularTroutNinjaGrumpy-ksdE0xL1CRH-yN8i

[faint lily]

Sir a second new tech has hit Yama today.

[wraith summit]

apparently arcane was saying there was a mechanic he didn't think many people would use because it's not all that great

may or may not be the spec buff, but who knows

[swift thistle]

if thats a guaranteed max it seems pretty good to me

if not then yeah maybe not

[sour iron]

Enrage phase is pain good lord

[digital jetty]

tbh just learn a butterfly method

it makes enrage a joke

even in solos its very very strong

[sour iron]

shit, there's already a bf method?

[digital jetty]

yea i made one and someone else did as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18Dje6Ookow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIQ9wN-Jcfk&ab_channel=catcafe

these are the two methods i know of

[sour iron]

hm, i see

melee gud, also wonder if there's a mage bf yet

[digital jetty]

i dont believe there is any point to a mage butterfly

the point of the melee butterfly is mainly to stay out of melee range of the boss on the correct ticks to prevent orbs from spawning and always dodge the falling bombs

if youre maging is very easy to stay out of melee range and dodge the falling bombs

this tile is the easiest to use while maging p3 imo tho, maybe thatll help (:

[sour iron]

yea those orbs are a fucking problem when you don't have 20% damage to oneshot them

[atomic surge]

leaning back towards mage now that i have human p5s

multi kill trip

[forest lagoon]

Donofly method makes this boss so much more enjoyable

[umbral cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4f6puNpnGw

I made this video tonight to help people understand how to do the Melee P3 method at Yama in a duo

[surreal rock]

beast

[split pagoda]

thank u for clearing up some confusion about the start

[kind plank]

Any consensus yet on whether solo is better unique rate for irons if you can do it consistently?

[radiant sky]

close enough that u shouldnt care probably

[kind plank]

Well I care in the sense that my friends don't play anymore and I don't want to have to hunt a random every time if I can help it

[radiant sky]

ye solo is fine then as i said they're close enough that u shouldnt care which one u end up doing

just do the more fun/convenient one

[radiant sky]

im pretty sure you can get delayed 1 tick even if ur joining someone elses room tho

[old phoenix]

Why does instance owner start with demonbane spell? Is there a specific reasoning? Or only for timing?

[honest monolith]

it's a 4 minute video and it's explained in the video

[carmine cove]

droprates nerfed

As such, we've released a hotfix which decreases the drop rates of Yama's uniques (meaning Oathplate pieces and the Soulflame Horn) by around 30%, and increasing the number of Infernal Plates required to create a piece of Oathplate from 7 to 9 (this means a steady influx of Shards that still feels good as a drop, but needing more of them to craft a piece for yourself).

[radiant sky]

i feel like this is a troll

[carmine cove]

time to stop feeling

[radiant sky]

then again mod arcane is in charge right

[carmine cove]

its in the newspost they just released

[civic epoch]

yep its real

cba

[radiant sky]

wow

[carmine cove]

to be fair if it really was sub60h to complete then that is pretty short

[radiant sky]

the question is if sub 60h means doing 4 min solos or not

[honest monolith]

it's probably still gonna be sub 60h if you click video game

[carmine cove]

also soft unique rate leak i guess

[honest monolith]

idk what kph they're assuming though

[carmine cove]

yeah just assume extremely average and its only up from there i guess

[plush shadow]

has there been any crowd source estimates? on rate

[carmine cove]

main question is if they assumed coupon collector when saying 'to complete'

or just 3(any) pieces

[honest monolith]

probably just assumed horn droprate

[carmine cove]

shards also factor in

[surreal rock]

usually jagex estimates are for average = slower players

so I'm sure if you're good you can go well below 75 hours

[radiant sky]

i dunno cuz in this case they would want to give as low a number as they possibly can to stop the backlash

if i were from jagex id go with the solo rec as my assumption for how quickly ppl will green log

[surreal rock]

maybe yea

I can see times get pushed down lower as well with some venge + sgs shenanigans

[honest monolith]

you forget the osrs playerbase

[radiant sky]

i think you're just gonna want a dps spec over sgs venging

[surreal rock]

ye you're probably right

[honest monolith]

if jagex told them they can get 3 min kills they would cry and piss themselves

[radiant sky]

ye but they dont have to say what type of kills they're using to get their example for hours to completion

nobody can contradict them cuz we dont know drop rates

[surreal rock]

I think most people will still mage camp

or melee p1/2 and mage p3

[honest monolith]

10 reddit threads like I get 8kph this is a 130 hour grind what the fuck

[carmine cove]

so assuming 80h for full at 18kph (idk if these numbers are right) to complete gives me a full set rate avg 1440 (this is post coupon collector) which makes the rate roughly 1/240 can anyone double check im bad at math

for any piece^

idk how to reverse solve it, i just kinda assumed rate=1440-(1440/2)-(1440/3)

been years

seems to make sense but math can be tricky..

[honest monolith]

the problem is those are reasonable assumptions

[surreal rock]

I'm just gonna keep grinding and not worry about it until we have official rates

doesn't really make a difference to me, I want the armour no matter what

[carmine cove]

yea i was mostly just interested if i did the math correcty l0l

[surreal rock]

got a lot of cox to grind for 2 megas and full anc lol

sounds about right assuming you can make the 3rd armour piece from the shards given

[honest monolith]

fwiw wiki had oathplate as 1/360 in solos off a large sample size at one point

so I'd assume it's 1/500 now

[carmine cove]

yeah this doesnt really account for shards

for pure oathplate rates

just gonna peep the wiki in a week ig yea

[honest monolith]

you can also kinda assume it from the shard rates cuz wiki isn't gatekeeping those

cuz we know those are roughly balanced around 2x individual oathplate piece so that would also roughly align with 1/500 in solos

[radiant sky]

is anyone actually consistantly getting into butterflying yama every single kill without getting delayed on the teleport in over 10 kills or something?

[surreal rock]

I have not been delayed in solos but I've yet to try it in duos

I know one person gets delayed and is supposed to mage to tickfill

[radiant sky]

yeah but according to dayohs video i shouldnt be delayed if im joining someone elses instance

but i do

i still get delayed 1 tick every 3 kills or something

[surreal rock]

oh odd

[radiant sky]

i just want to know if anyone has figured out a way to make sure it doesnt happen or if i have to learn to enter butterfly by maging 1 hit solo too

if im duoing with a mager

[stiff dagger]

it seems related to killing the judge, it felt more consistent when we stopped doing stepunder tech but might be copium

we've just both been doing mage first hit then running to 1 and hitting it 1t after it does it's attack, then you're in cycle perfectly

[radiant sky]

okay i figured i prob had to do this

its not a big deal losing 1 hit tbh ill just do that

can you enter butterfly at any point in time with that method actually

that would be big to do for solos

so you can step out and deal with adds

and just go back to delay tile and start 1t after yama auto

[surreal rock]

it might not line up with the waves properly(?) but worth a try for sure

[radiant sky]

ah yeah right you prob get shafted on waves if you enter randomly

[old phoenix]

Anyone tested this yet?

Besides the volatile clip from sido

[sudden ocean]

surely burning claws with a glyph of fire is tech

[radiant sky]

i dont think burning claws works for some reason

[steep flicker]

You called it.

[old phoenix]

This message doesnt appear always, does it?

[radiant sky]

no clue i havent rly done any testing on it

so far i like bgs and sgs until i play with someone that has horn so i can spec more

[old phoenix]

Im hearing that maybe only your duo partner gets the buff

Not the person stepping on the glyph

Friend doing testing rn, cant play myself atm

[faint lily]

The iron that drop traded an oathplate piece day 1 in my CC must be kicking themselves hearing it's becoming rarer

We all called him crazy too

[acoustic lava]

items don't get insane day prices like they used too

especially items that are just "stats"

reckless got burnt dropping his day 1 rancour since it only sold for like 200m

[faint lily]

Yeah I wouldn't ever drop a day 1 item. If it's super expensive, it's gonna be a megarare tier item

[latent pike]

nah works for the guy proccing

[old phoenix]

Tyty

[forest lagoon]

Oh well, 720kc median completion was very generous

[faint lily]

Yeah that was like 40 hour completion, way too close to bandos

[forest lagoon]

With bad luck mitigation too lol

Glad I did about 200kc before the nerd though!

[faint lily]

Glad I got 1 piece

Would have sucked to do 200 KC no pieces and then nerf

[sudden ocean]

so shadow does prayer restoration and fire does dps
is it only for nightmare staffs?

[naive widget]

could try like saradomin/armadyl (or bandos?) godswords although the flavor would be weirder

[faint lily]

I thought someone in here typed shadow does voidwaker specs

Anyone test that?

[forest lagoon]

This may be the most "water is wet" post Ive seen

[sudden ocean]

They really should make ridiculously rare drop rates day 1 while everyone is potting then buff them

[swift thistle]

Every fucking time LOL

[faint lily]

https://youtu.be/JARtbRNkAH0?si=b8OT3zDbAwyObj0b

[old phoenix]

Does anybody know you can get contracts from demon while you are not on slayer task?

I've been killing demons in the intended ways for more than 3 hours (off-task) and haven't received any contracts

[umbral cradle]

it doesn't happen to me for some reason, maybe it's because my duo partner travis (instance owner) is the person always starting the kill

[forest lagoon]

Any useful glyph tech? I'm certainly not bringing volatile to spec with lol

[surreal rock]

does happen to me, not sure why

[ruby stump]

delve boss 1/10k for unique day 1

and then we get a hotfix day 2 saying "we put 1 0 too many"

[atomic surge]

How long are your solo melee trips?

I am struggling to get 2kc

[faint lily]

Jagex said they don't want you to have to tribrid outside of raids, then they release this contract farming making you have half your inventory for gear and need to tribrid

[surreal rock]

looks like we both spawned it without delay?

the kill before this he spawned in a tick delayed

I'm very confused

[stiff dagger]

We think it might be to do with the judge phase

[surreal rock]

I know I didnt stall on the first vid when I should have but I corrected

[stiff dagger]

First vid it looks like it died to your teammate's melee, second vid it died to a stepunder hitsplat maybe?

[surreal rock]

could be

[smoky beacon]

I believe first video I started correctly and then "fixed" to the wrong tick

but second video is weird because I arrive a tick earlier in p3 so I'm a tick early

[stiff dagger]

First vid you're both a tick early the entire kill

[surreal rock]

ye

[smoky beacon]

oh, they're posted in reverse order

[stiff dagger]

Ahh

Was confused 😄

[surreal rock]

I'll repost sec

[smoky beacon]

I looked at the timestamps in my browser 😅

[surreal rock]

https://streamable.com/0lu1po

https://streamable.com/i2q7zn

ok the preview title doesnt change apparently lol

[stiff dagger]

We've been defaulting to just running to 1 and attacking a tick after it attacks then continuing the cycle

And if someone spawns in time they do an extra hit before that

[surreal rock]

https://streamable.com/ihhm5n

cant get the timing down :/

[viral quiver]

On duo p3 can the meteors attack hit your duo partner if theyre too close?

[surreal rock]

no

[surreal rock]

is there any cue on how to time this? hard for me to predict it tbh

[stiff dagger]

tick 1: yama starts it's attack animation
tick 2: you click yama

[winter seal]

dunno if anyone has confirmed yet, but can confirm u can just get dupe transmog contracts, finally got my second one and it's a dupe

[digital jetty]

click in time with the snap

[stiff dagger]

then you instantly click on tile 2 to start running the method

if you click in time with the snap you need to delay a tick before running to tile 2

so you can click one tick after the snap

[surreal rock]

so in my example I was one tick early?

[digital jetty]

ahh yea i see that my b, i use a different method with different timing so i can always get purging auto at start

[cobalt jungle]

have they released using contracts yet?

[swift thistle]

can use them on the 23rd

[winter seal]

Lol u both spawned 3 ticks away

[digital jetty]

yamas attack animation starts* 1 tick before the tick 1 in this example, doesnt it? he raises his hand, snaps, then you click boss?

[surreal rock]

yeah the timing we spawn in varies, sometimes we spawn in 1 tick apart

[stiff dagger]

no, tick 1 is the tick yama's animation starts

[surreal rock]

yeah I think in my clip my timing was correct, my duo was 1 tick early

thats why I got thrown off

[stiff dagger]

ohhh sorry

i thought by 'snap' you meant like his hull physically 'snaps' from not moving to moving, like how people time verzik tanking

i didn't see that he actually has an animation where he snaps his fingers 😄

[digital jetty]

i mean the audio cue of him snapping

of him actually snapping

[stiff dagger]

ahh no audio for me, that's cool

yeah clicking that tick

[digital jetty]

yea yea oki cool 😄 we on same page

[viral quiver]

Does death charge work on void flares?

[faint lily]

Yes

[digital jetty]

what is a void flare?

is that the orb?

[old phoenix]

Can someone tell me if you have to be on task to get contracts from demons in Chasm of Fire? I seem to only get them during slayer task

[old phoenix]

Yeah

[digital jetty]

ahh oki ahahah i just call it orb :p

i should prio those over boss with custom menu swaps would make getting the 2 orbs when solo meleeing p3 easier without losing ticks

[brave bronze]

saw this pop up in my search if you don't wanna do any waiting on tiles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLZo8tZ8OhE

[tawdry berry]

I got one from a lesser demon off task

[swift thistle]

doesn't it depend on spawn tho

since you can be behind duo and vice versa

[old phoenix]

Alright thanks, just getting unlucky off task then

[swift thistle]

I assume it's consistent for melee solo tho

[tawdry berry]

Maybe it’s different drop rates on vs off task idk, I could’ve just gotten lucky

[old phoenix]

Yeah was thinking the same

[brave bronze]

think that vids concept is th same just doesn't have sit an extra tick on 4.1

start can still be messed up prob

[swift thistle]

yeah

[radiant pendant]

Is there a way to get back into cycle p3 if u fall out?

[atomic surge]

if you insta start the waves are active

from prior kc

[umbral cradle]

We may have figured it out what causes the random 1t delay: it was MVP/step under on minion. I was always doing step-unders on minions, and Travis was never doing step-unders. We tested a kill where travis did step-unders, and I intentionally played really poorly losing ticks & not doing step-unders. Then I was delayed for the first time ever. We're going to test this a bit more to confirm

[sacred badge]

wdym by MVP? Is MVP visible somehow?

[old phoenix]

He means person who dealt most damage against the judge I assume

[umbral cradle]

so far we have a working theory

if neither player does step-under, and both players are on the same tick, each spawn at same time on P3 (specifically p3)

if I do step under, I can spawn in faster than travis and I have to start the cycle

need to test more but haven't seen an exception to this rule yet

[brave bronze]

so same tick don't step under?

[forest lagoon]

That seems extremely weird

[azure laurel]

If that’s correct, could you tick fix during the judge by using a different tick weapon based on the 2nd players hit splat to line them up?

[forest lagoon]

Tbh just running to 1 if you're delayed works fine, no?

[honest monolith]

it's just a pain to correctly identify that you're late

[forest lagoon]

Just run to 1 and wait for attack animation like pecan said then

Def not ideal for PBs but not a big deal for moneys

[honest monolith]

syncing last hit on judge would be easier if you can do that consistently though

[radiant sky]

i think for money kc just doing a mage hit is fine

magic is somewhat accurate anyway so not the end of the world

can always bring an extra mage switch or 2 if top/bottom increases the dmg a lot

[atomic surge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1ko7tpo/yama_awakener_orb_contracts_rates_from_greenlog/ did some math

really want to not die to the awakened yama fights

[dire smelt]

For duo donofly does person who is not hosting always need to wait an extra tick after they can move?

[faint lily]

Doing God's work. Hopefully reddit actually sees the real issue and we can get some momentum behind changing this crap

[faint lily]

I think we literally won't get enough contracts to even attempt to get full radiant oathplate from going on rate for greenlog - pet. That might be worth mentioning too

[atomic surge]

that is the entire post

if you go on rate in solos you get 20 contracts, if evenly distributed 4 tries at each fight

in duos, 2 tries

in duos with bad distribution luck, 0 tries

a statistmagician can probably figure out how likely you are to get fucked

[winter seal]

the posts I've seen about contracts haven't gotten any real traction unfortunately

[faint lily]

Reddit might just see green log including pet and ignore is what I am saying

[atomic surge]

juice this one

I had a bil worth of them I think I got out at breakeven or slight loss after bond costs

after the goblin reddit post

[faint lily]

If the post says oathplate completion means you won't even have enough contracts to attempt radiated oathplate it might catch more attention

[atomic surge]

this post is more about how the blog is misleading./jagex doesn't understand their own rates

oh I see what you mean

[faint lily]

I up voted though. Hopefully something gets done before the 23rd.

[stiff dagger]

It doesn't take very log really to ge the contracts from killing the demons as intended

It's like 2/3 an hour it seems

[atomic surge]

maybe i was just super unlucky

what did you do for the "kill while bound"

[faint lily]

Undead grasp?

[atomic surge]

very very weak

[faint lily]

I assumed you only had to finish off demons with the method.

[atomic surge]

switching every hit manual cast is so annoying

for 100h

[faint lily]

Oh I still think it's shit I agree, just seems like the best option we have

You definitely want to be on arceuss for DC for the special attack requirement and for killing with a spell

[radiant sky]

cant you just bring the max cape and end the trip when 5 swaps are done

kill them with ice barrage

how often would you need to swap

[faint lily]

I supposed scobo spec could be reasonable if you are using double DC + surge pots.

Not sure if you'd run out of spec though

[honest monolith]

how fast can you hit the poh

[dire smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI6mJ8BXU0w donofly duo if it hasn't been posted

[faint lily]

Wouldn't be the worst. Like 20 seconds maybe with fairy ring in house.

[atomic surge]

keep doing this

prior kc wave

[honest monolith]

oh so you don't need to re-enable the glyph or whatever?

[atomic surge]

its not like that

its auto on

[honest monolith]

icic

thought you had to pick one haven't done it

[atomic surge]

it picks for you lole

changes every 75kc?

i think

[honest monolith]

misery

[faint lily]

I think scobo spec would be fine then

[honest monolith]

just content to feed bots and torment irons

[faint lily]

With double DC

Idk about killing with a special attack that sounds terrible, you'd be using POH a lot

[atomic surge]

purg

[faint lily]

Even then, you aren't gonna finish off/miss often enough

Idk I'm not touching that crap until we see the contracted fights/jmods acknowledge how rare they are from the boss

[winter seal]

idk if the main method is supposed to be camping demons then that also feels like a terrible choice of jagex, who would think it's fun to target farm demons because the boss doesn't give enough

[honest monolith]

an imaginary 1200 total level zoob who wants to make 5m/hr farming tickets so people can actually play the game

[umbral cradle]

my duo partner got horn and we did some testing, this is our understanding:

1. (horn is already equipped) click spec orb
2. horn animation plays
3. nothing

it is impossible to attack with a different weapon on tick #2 or tick #3

so as the horn user mid-combat, the fastest weapon you can use this with is 4t

1. emberlight xp drop + click to equip horn
2. click spec orb
3. horn animation happens + click to equip emberlight + click to attack
5. emberlight xp drop

[opal zealot]

Hopefully that's some jank they can fix in the coming days.

[umbral cradle]

we believe it's impossible to do it with swift blade and it still be 3t

[opal zealot]

don't you also lose ticks if you "miss" your partner if you use the horn

[vapid raptor]

what weapons get empowered by the glyphs

[opal zealot]

Volly and eldritch on fire. Eldritch,Ancient mace and SGS on shadow glyph from what I've seen

[sacred badge]

Scobo spec probably good right?

[tawny imp]

Whats the deal with contracts are they not doable currently? I see no info on them besides rewards on wiki and I feel like I'm missing something obvious here

Fights arent enabled until next Friday, just saw what I was missing

[cobalt jungle]

hoping the contract droprates are reworked

[tawny imp]

demon tasks are back on the menu

[atomic surge]

Curious if they end up changing the oathplate stuff because of donofly

presumably the radiant fights just won't expect you to melee p3 and not get spam orbed

[fast reef]

Couldn't they pretty easily change the timing/order of any of the attacks to break that solve? Or turn the glyphs on for p3.

[royal anvil]

at Yama am I doing something wrong for the donfly method, i take 0 damage except for the 4:1 tile after like 3-4 fireball attacks on p3, everything else is 0 dmg and skipping perfectly

[atomic surge]

can I get a gear/inv for solo melee/mage please

[vast quarry]

none that u have buddy boy

[forest lagoon]

Completion KC looks to be sitting around 1100, does that sound right?

Not 100% sure the sim I wrote factors everything in

[honest monolith]

explain your alts first

[swift thistle]

bro yapped on his alt here earlier too

[faint lily]

I thought it would be closer to 1,000. but I could see it being 1,100 given that you need 2 specific oathplate pieces. I was going off of someone else's math that it's 1k for 2 oathplate pieces not sure if they calced that at 2 unique pieces

[forest lagoon]

its very close to 1000 for 2 pieces, but 1100 would be needed to get 450 shards

[faint lily]

That part seems off to me

[tired ivy]

you get lots of shards from boxes

[honest monolith]

did the sim factor in the chance of finishing it w/ 3 unique pieces?

[forest lagoon]

was the average kc for 450 shards including lock boxes

import random
#params
NUM_SIMULATIONS = 10000
TARGET_SHARDS = 450
MAIN_CRATE_DROP_RATE = 1 / 16.5
MAIN_CRATE_SHARDS = 6
NESTED_CRATE_DROP_RATE = 1 / 32
NESTED_CRATE_SHARD_RATE = 1 / 7.5
NESTED_CRATE_SHARDS = 13
results = []

for _ in range(NUM_SIMULATIONS):
    total_shards = 0
    crates_opened = 0

    while total_shards < TARGET_SHARDS:
        crates_opened += 1

        # Check if this crate gives shards
        if random.random() < MAIN_CRATE_DROP_RATE:
            total_shards += MAIN_CRATE_SHARDS

        # Check if it gives a nested crate
        if random.random() < NESTED_CRATE_DROP_RATE:
            # Check if the nested crate gives shards
            if random.random() < NESTED_CRATE_SHARD_RATE:
                total_shards += NESTED_CRATE_SHARDS

    results.append([crates_opened])

csv_file_path = "loot_crate_simulation_results.csv"
with open(csv_file_path, mode='w', newline='') as file:
    writer = csv.writer(file)
    writer.writerow(["Crates_Opened"])
    writer.writerows(results)

csv_file_path

Could have missed something if anyone cares to check, just threw this together

Oh tahts it

when I eyeballed the locked box rate I forgot to make it 2/7.5

Okay so 965 ish, so yeah around 1000KC is accurate

[faint lily]

Yup

Looks like you rounded up everywhere too, so could be a bit less

But immaterial

[forest lagoon]

Yeha its not precise, but close enough

Either way this is still generous IMO

55-80hrs for bis melee gear is wild

well, compared to torva and inq

[faint lily]

55 hours should be the high end.

18 Kph is very generous already

[forest lagoon]

Okay what is agreed upon kph rn>

I havent really been keeping track of mine, my buddy doesn;t have the agil level for rope lmao

[swift thistle]

even in scuffed gear you can get decent kph, lot of maxing and def can be lowered substantially

[forest lagoon]

Okay whats a good range i guess

[swift thistle]

I don't know max kph, greg showed a clip of 18 kph before donofly

[atomic surge]

surely this for a solo is ridiculous right

[forest lagoon]

ill just say 18

[faint lily]

18 is about 55 hours

[atomic surge]

you can get 8.5ish solo kph as mage

brain off

[faint lily]

If you add on meleeing p3 with donofly, id see it going up to 20

[forest lagoon]

Solo is not ideal tho just cuz lock boxes are still 1/32 in duo

[faint lily]

Yeah I'm gonna be avoiding solos if I can

[cobalt jungle]

Fwiw the Yama worlds have had good success for me so far

[icy elbow]

what non donofly methods are you guys doing for p3 in duos?

[faint lily]

Just brain off mage right now

I'll learn whatever new method I comes out when I'm back from vacation in a week, but definitely will be melee based

[cobalt jungle]

I took a dude in purging/blue moon yesterday and it was like having a thrall that dealt with orbs for me

[faint lily]

Why is this me during P3 :(

[icy elbow]

im getting owned by waves but i think its cuz im not skipping where the waves are intersecting which makes me have to skip 2x more

wonder if i should just camp north/south and skip from there

[swift thistle]

yes

[atomic surge]

for mage? melee no dono? melee dono?

[faint lily]

I don't skip on the intersecting one and stopped getting hit by them still.

You need to skip them earlier than you expect.

After that clicked with me I stopped getting caught by them

[cobalt jungle]

Just mage but there were dudes asking for melee

Your results may vary

[atomic surge]

gonna bring the horn and not find a single fucking person to use it

I'm sure

[swift thistle]

I did this for a while https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXjYwvi7ma0

[icy elbow]

ironically thats what i had in mind

i was doing that method but standing west which causes some weird timings when getting the mass waves

its also weird because sometimes i find the waves will reach me 1t earlier than other waves even though visually appearing in the same spot

[atomic surge]

accidentially teamed with a non 83 agi

ok rather shoot myself than do the yama mass world

[dapper hollow]

The rates are fucked for sure, but I think the contracts won’t have new mechanics

I suspect you’ll be able to fully replicate them in the normal encounter and therefore won’t need to “practice” like blorva

[atomic surge]

1. Time limit? Speedrun before you asphyxiate?
2. Gotta do something with glyphs? maybe cannot kill the spawns so you must glyph block
3. Myopia
4. Blasphemy
5. Bleed on melee hit?

[dapper hollow]

Obviously I could be wrong , but based on what I read that was what I was reading between the lines

We know they didn’t design 9 different fights with different mechanics

[sacred badge]

4 could be "can't pray just brew"

[atomic surge]

thatd be pretty tough in a solo

[sacred badge]

Hope you have sweets

[atomic surge]

so is the lockbox the only benefit of duo over solo mage?

[opal zealot]

more chance to hit armor shards

[red marlin]

Do you have the runes for 900 solo mage kills?

Surely that is a non-trivial amount of rune buying/ cost

[faint lily]

You get like 100 shards from lockboxes doing duos to 1k KC. You'd get 50 doing 500 solos.

So you are at 400 shards vs 450 shards when you are expected to be 2/3 and end up needing to grind out 50 more shards to craft your 3rd

[sudden ocean]

solo no purging

[civic epoch]

[ruby stump]

just got my first drop and its the pet lmfao

he's hilarious

https://i.imgur.com/o3BuEHt.png

[honest monolith]

I'm also getting in the 1000 kc range

[dapper hollow]

All the qty 1 items don’t scale, you don’t get 2 loot roles

Tallow, lockbox, pet , supplies, d legs , d skirt are all fixed qty 1 drops

And lock box is pretty significant since most ppl will be crafting there 3rd piece of armor

[faint lily]

Basically you sign yourself up to grind another 50 shards if you do solos instead of duos. Which is not insignificant. Close to an extra 7 hours of soloing to make up for the lost shards.

[atomic surge]

depends how long it takes to find the duoers but ye

[opal zealot]

also get less tallow

[dapper hollow]

Solo kills are more than 2x slower tho

[atomic surge]

not in my experience

[balmy raft]

lock box is ~20% of your oathplate shards too

in duo

[dapper hollow]

You’re averaging 5:30-6:00 solos?

[atomic surge]

i meant mage vs mage

maybe i just had a particularly shitty mage duo

but my mage solo is 6-7

[dapper hollow]

Why would you compare w mage tho

[atomic surge]

because that is the question I was asking

[dapper hollow]

Got it

It could be worth if both ppl have volitiles

Or solo w 1 voli

Idk how much that saves on average but it’s something

[balmy raft]

the main benefit to duo is that mage sucks and melee solo is really hard once donofly runs its course

so if you're maging cause you're solo thats like 20% dps loss

[dapper hollow]

The extra 500 kc from duo for 15.7 lockboxes is also like 12% chance to have an oathplate piece in it

That’s gotta factor into the completion average

1k kc is 24% to get a piece from a lockbox

[tawny imp]

whats meta looking like if ur not doing the butterfly? just melee all of it and do verzik step unders/ step backs?

[dapper hollow]

Melee p3 but no butterfly?

I think you would just mage

[tawny imp]

yeah, or do you just mage then

gotcha

[opal zealot]

or flinch melees until orbs spawn and mage from there

[dapper hollow]

I know gnome was doing melee p1p2 mage p3 as his “chill” kills

[tawny imp]

i was doing that last night and it felt good

brought accursed for p3 as well felt good

[opal zealot]

i've also seen duos where you just face tank then kill 2orbs each with purging spec

[tawny imp]

i saw will doing that method but i feel like thats definitely worse than just maging

makes it way more difficult for im assuming no difference since ru losing so many ticks to orbs

[opal zealot]

Not sure. I plan on learning donofly for duo

otherise p3 mage is brain off

[tawny imp]

any1 wanna duo p1/2melee p3 mage rn?

@me if so, hopping into a solo now

[icy elbow]

i p3 melee and im p sure its faster even without donofly

in duos ofc

[opal zealot]

melee is always faster assuming you're not getting meleed by the boss. once you start having to hit orbs the calcs get weird

[tawny imp]

yeah im not sure about melee beating mage if ur spawning orbs and losing ticks to them constantly

[swift thistle]

That's the key, you don't

[languid harbor]

for solos melee p1p2 then donofly -> mage p3 is what i found the chillest

[brave bronze]

I've noticed similar p3 times with mage camp and melee spawning orbs in duo

[old phoenix]

Has anyone found other weapons corresponding to fire glyph buff? I have tested, AGS and ZCB, both not working

Gonna test darkbow next

[sacred badge]

what if some work with the shadow glyph

[old phoenix]

I heard Ancient Mace and SGS also work for shadow, havent tested yet myself to check

[tired ivy]

Melee afk is very chill

[opal zealot]

Just Volly and Eldritch for fire glyph from what I've seen. Shadow glyph is Eldritch SGS and Ancient mace from what I've seen.

[old phoenix]

Eldritch is for Shadow glyph right?

[opal zealot]

works on both

[old phoenix]

Oh nice

[balmy raft]

i think kirby is working on something for this but tldr its some really complicated step backs, wave dodge and fireball dodging

[sudden ocean]

is anyone else occasionally taking flame wall damage during the modified donofly?

or am i just missing something

[stiff dagger]

You do on like the 3rd rotation of autos

Method breaks down there half the time

[sudden ocean]

yea exactly what i have been experiencing

[undone sundial]

Anyone know where to find learners/low kc for yama?

[opal zealot]

Yama world probably

[red marlin]

Do we think the assumption for melee duo in the future will assume the other person has horn/ maul?

[opal zealot]

that or just spam emberlight specs if nobody has horn

or bgs

[red marlin]

Is burning claws worth it if no horn/maul?

Or are they worth it in any scenario

[sudden ocean]

im using them because im dropping emberlight specs and then death charge gives me a lil extra for the 30 spec

[opal zealot]

acursed scepter bis spec reduction for first spec in solos even with melee only.

acursed > bgs 46 for potential or acursed > ember > ember for consistency.

[atomic surge]

yep

[atomic surge]

if i don't fuck up p3 this is really good (maging)

[stiff dagger]

Isn't horn+maul just easily better than accursed+bgs?

Yeah accursed+bgs looks a bit worse from calcs, and uses more spec

Wait I'm an idiot 😄

[lone storm]

Does Judge of Yama have 120% demonbane as well, or just Yama?

[atomic surge]

this is 5-6 min kills

and I havent started learning dono yet

and it doesn't use that many blood shard charges

rather use those than souls anyway

[forest lagoon]

first solo

[cobalt jungle]

thoughts on using blood fury for judge?

guaranteed max, i imagine low charges used?

and is rapier still considered bis when alternating with shadow?

[sudden ocean]

but why

and wym rapier

we emberlight

[fossil mountain]

thats good bait yuo got reckless fair and square

[sudden ocean]

every contract says this and the double death charge rite says DEATH

[umbral cradle]

wow lol

[agile wolf]

yeah that 3rd row from the bottom should be .-

not -.

unlucky jagex

[sudden ocean]

some intern is getting fired for this

[agile wolf]

they could just update it if they want prob

do they know tho

[umbral cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-ragebait-this-guy-iron-man-tony-stark-gif-3966857531535969686

[sudden ocean]

wiki only translated the rite so i was curious about these

[umbral cradle]

intern succeeded in ragebaiting

[agile wolf]

the image is just in reverse obviously

[sudden ocean]

u might be onto something

[agile wolf]

definitely not

wouldn’t ever work

the c’s are missing

[radiant sky]

what was the defence you could reduce yama to again?

cant find the images of ppl checking with lunars

[tired ivy]

-80

[radiant sky]

tyty

[umbral cradle]

for P3, are the waves timer based or tied to yama's 7t attacks?

[digital jetty]

yes they are always consistent in my experience and happen at the same time

well i dont know if necessarily they are tied to his attacks but they do happen at the same time every time

but im not sure of any way to stall the autos/bombs

[umbral cradle]

so could be on a timer, just divisible by 7 ticks

really no different in practice

could just say they are tied to yama's attack and offset arbitrarily

similar to how the auto attack animation appears around your character 1 tick after yama attacks, and the first hourglass spawns above your head 3 ticks after yama attacks

im mapping out the pattern of yama p3 attacks to try and understand whats going on in kirby's brain lol

[digital jetty]

im not keeping up with kirby, whats he working on?

[umbral cradle]

this absurd melee cycle that gives you 3-tick emberlight hits

by standing next to hourglass attacks right before they explode

[honest monolith]

3 tick emberlights?

[umbral cradle]

https://www.twitch.tv/molgoatkirby/clip/ThoughtfulSplendidAnacondaPJSalt--jWP5iBSVBxYD1v0

you can attack 1 tick faster with any weapon when you utilize the hourglass bombs

[honest monolith]

what the fuck lmao

[digital jetty]

holy

thats wild

[swift thistle]

Wtf

[umbral cradle]

requirements for the pattern he's developing:

1. be away from boss every 7-ticks to not bait melee
2. dodge shadow walls
3. dodge hourglass pattern, but be adjacent to the bombs to get as many 3t hits as possible

[digital jetty]

so you gotta be within 1 tile of the central bomb and it reduces cooldown by 1 t?

[umbral cradle]

not sure if its only central bomb, it might be edge bombs too

chat brought it up to him but not sure if he tested it or what the conclusion was

one issue is that the hourglass pattern does a random horizontal/vertical start, but not sure if clockwise/counterclockwise is random too

[digital jetty]

wild

very interesting

[honest monolith]

ig that's why ppl were getting better kill times with mage than you'd expect from the dps calc

[balmy raft]

pretty sure the diagonal direction depends on if u are the instance host or not

[umbral cradle]

there's some bs at the start, then I think that pattern repeats

[quiet flicker]

Someone enlighten me, havent done any solos yet

Why cant u donofly in solos?

[wraith summit]

you can, just not for an extended time

[digital jetty]

can you not?

[wraith summit]

the waves fuck the pattern after a while

[digital jetty]

just skip a hit spec orbs and get back in cycle

should be fine, works with the method i made

[wraith summit]

or better yet

3t off the bombs

[honest monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JARtbRNkAH0 the tech already dropped for that

[digital jetty]

hey, bit off topic but im curious how u clip like this?

[quiet flicker]

Damn i see

Might be time to try some then

[quiet flicker]

Think its just an OBS replay buffer with his client set up for it

[digital jetty]

yea i use obs replay buffer it saves as a mp4 idk how to turn it into that tho

[umbral cradle]

I just record with OBS

[umbral cradle]

turn it into what?

[quiet flicker]

U just dump it in disc

Like an image

And it embeds for u

[umbral cradle]

are you just talking about editting a video, like trimming/clipping?

[digital jetty]

yea what do you use to trim it

i have a 10 min replay buffer

[quiet flicker]

Ah

[digital jetty]

i cant add a 10 min vid into disc says file size too large

[umbral cradle]

there are a variety of different video editing softwares, some good free ones include Shotcut or DaVinci Resolve, you can google search for these

[digital jetty]

oki cool ty

ill lookinto those ty (:

[umbral cradle]

alternatively for the more tech savvy folks, you could just ask Chat GPT to create an ffmpeg command to do exactly what you want via command line

[quiet flicker]

Ye theres like a 500mb likit

Limit

For nitro +

Otherwise u can barely send anything i think

[honest monolith]

if you can run a terminal you can run ffmpeg without chatgpt

[umbral cradle]

chat gpt is very effective for creating complex ffmpeg commands and doesn't require knowing all of the different parameters for ffmpeg or reading the manual/docs

[honest monolith]

ic yeah I wasn't thinking abt anything complex

[quiet flicker]

U guys bring sgs?

I heard alot of good things abt it cus of the trip extension it gives

[umbral cradle]

once uve mastered the boss u dont want to use sgs imo

dps specs are better

[quiet flicker]

I get like hmm 6-7 kill trips rn

Just prayer issue tbh

Duos that is

I guess i shud just flick more

I gave up on doing donofly how its intended cus one of us was delayed everytime so we just delay on 1 tile now til we see him snap his fingers

For consistency

Kinda fucky how it depends on who hosts

[umbral cradle]

that was bad info, i don't think it has anything to do with host

the current best theory ive got is that two factors can cause delay:

1. after judge dies, running to southern most edge of island or going backwards across stepping stones
2. losing a tick during judge/stepping stones and being behind your duo partner

[quiet flicker]

Oh i see

Yeah i was relaying info i got told

Anyways yeah im down to lose a couple ticks at start to make it consitent

Whoever can make it in time just goes

[umbral cradle]

the way me and travis do it, we are consistently starting with melee

you just need to not do anything weird and be tick perfect when killing the judge

[quiet flicker]

How do u guys do ur judge? Do u hit from 3rd off or go on the island?

And can u share ur setup

[umbral cradle]

here's my setup, travis is taking p much same but with horn instead of elder maul

[umbral cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Kkki1ThYk

here's an example kill

[full shuttle]

Is it better to SGS judge or yama with a glyph?

[faint lily]

So you're telling me they added a 3t melee method and we didn't know about and we still were killing the boss way faster than they expected.

[plush shadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1347648508764754072/1373181198435614751/UV549RY.mp4?ex=68297a26&is=682828a6&hm=515b934f6a0c6071a1be6ff547c38d82a1cb2709a9a3b0a96a923a862e6c3b4c& this tech is crazy imo

been doing it brain dead way to enter cycle

every time regardless of spawn etc

[cobalt jungle]

does this mean armor+soulflame is 1/240 for personal drop in duos?

and this would make the armor 1/400 in duos?

[faint lily]

Yeah 1/240 for any unique in duos (assuming 50/50 contribution)

Chance to roll any armor piece is 1/400 in a duo.

Which is why the KC required for completion (2 unique oathplate pieces + crafting the third) is around 1,000 duos.

[winter seal]

My god I'm so fkd

[ruby stump]

Is there a way to determine what style yama starts with on p3?

[languid harbor]

yeah the same as what the bottom 2 glyphs are on p2

[ruby stump]

Oh so same style yama started on in p2?

[languid harbor]

yeah

[ruby stump]

Thats good to know thanks

[faint lily]

Is it not the attack it ended with from P2?

I kinda stopped remembering it and just reacting, so might be wrong but I remembered doing that

[ruby stump]

Ive kept track of that and it wasnt accurate

[faint lily]

Gotcha. Good to know, so it'll just be the opposite of what you pray at the start of p2

[stiff dagger]

Someone needs to make a yamafly method that also gives you the 3t hits

Also, does the hourglass attack speed you up by a tick or make it 3t? Ie would you 3t scythe or 4t it

[azure laurel]

What’s the tldr on 3t hits?

[stiff dagger]

If you emberlight a tick before the hourglass procs, while beside the centre, then you 3t it I believe

[faint lily]

Could prob check some vods if mage got turned into 4t

It might be a melee only thing too though

[winter seal]

The Soulflame's Horn special attack buffs the second hitsplat for Dragon Claws/Burning Claws.
is this actually ingame? because it doesn't seem to work

my dclaws do fully miss sometimes

[stiff dagger]

It's bugged for a few things atm, goblin said they were looking at it

[brave bronze]

it happens because the person who joins gets a different orientation of balls. think lake had figured out some ways to mitigate

[wide crypt]

Do you find the answer to this?

[undone sundial]

Nope

[wide crypt]

Do you have any kc?

[undone sundial]

I think I'm almost at like ~20

Mostly solo though

[wide crypt]

Ah ok. I was gunna look for another 0 kc to go learn with

[undone sundial]

I don't mind going still either way tbh, feel free to ping me whenever

[wide crypt]

Alright. This is the first day I’ve even had a chance to log in and play, I’ll be on later though so might hit you up. I gotta watch a few videos and do a bit of studying the boss before I jump in

[undone sundial]

Good call, I'm sure some of the yama experts here might have video rec's, but I personally thought VideoGameBot's youtube vid on the enrage phase was pretty helpful

[quartz glen]

Nice

[quartz glen]

So just stand on tile and wait till his finger snap animation starts then click boss?

[quiet flicker]

Thank you

[quiet flicker]

Ye

[quartz glen]

That’s ez enough for me

What are decent duo times with Yamafly if you’re not in bis meele gear. Instead like Bandos torture fire cape

[sudden ocean]

whos got the fix tile for donofly rotation 3

also anyone figure out what determines who tanks?

[sudden ocean]

@civic epoch

[digital jetty]

Do you know if it’s been tested that it only works adjacent to the center bomb?

Or asked another way, does it work adjacent to the distal bombs

[radiant pendant]

It’s also great for resetting cycle if u have to kill orbs when they spawn

[digital jetty]

you need to wait 1 tick after his animation starts to click the boss, the animation looks like:

Tick 1: Yama raises his hand to snap his fingers
Tick 2: Yama snaps his fingers, you click boss and the central bomb targets tile 1

[quartz glen]

In the video he clicks as soon as Yama starts to raise hand to snap fingers. Are you saying you do the above if resetting cycle, not at start?

[digital jetty]

in what video?

[quartz glen]

This one^

[digital jetty]

sorry my mistake i didnt realize we were talking about that video!

[languid harbor]

wow got 2 kills using this method and it feels amazing

[atomic surge]

getting the hang of donofly

but the start feels so inconsistnet

[radiant sky]

you can just go straight to 1 until you start noticing what tick you're spawning in on

[languid harbor]

if you go straight to 1 you can attack him when his finger points up

[radiant sky]

but i think entry actually has something to do with how you kill the judge, when i stopped being lazy and actually started doing the real tick perfect judge method i stopped getting stalled as much

could be a coincidence but going straight to 1 is still good advice imo

[umbral cradle]

#1368632190723821729 message i agree, and you can also cause your self to be delayed by going south too

[atomic surge]

but

if you go straight to 1

wont he justm elee you

[radiant sky]

no you just skip the first emberlight hit

and enter the cycle when you'd normally be at 1

so 1t after he starts his animation

[atomic surge]

ohhh

so run to 1 la;te

dont swing

[radiant sky]

ye just chill there for a bit and lose 4 ticks

its 100% consistant and will let you get a better feel for if you're spawning in late

so you can do the hit when you have it figured out

[sudden ocean]

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@civic epoch

[swift thistle]

Which ones are these

[sudden ocean]

i changed some of the donofly tiles

wait on 1 for the animation

these don't seem to get hit by flame walls on the third rotation lke the old tiles do

still cooking tho to make sure

recklessfly?

[civic epoch]

[sudden ocean]

im not sure those tiles would still work if u would rather do the old delay tile thing for more dps

[atomic surge]

for duo

scything on 2 seems cool

[dapper hollow]

what happens if u do a mage hit at the start and then do the start on 1?

[sudden ocean]

idk if u have 5 ticks to spare there but u might be onto something

[sudden ocean]

appears to still work fine

still seem to get hit by 1 hourglass sometimes whether starting on delay tile or not, but its better than getting hit twice with old dono at least

[royal anvil]

anyone wanna send some duos

[atomic surge]

3h donofly session

actually feel the neck strain from nerdnecking

[sudden ocean]

@civic epoch

[civic epoch]

[atomic surge]

this is so cool

i got duo regular dono down but this might be super relevant for CA/recolor

[royal anvil]

would there be a reason i get hit on the 4:1 and jelly tile? for 1 run me and buddy were 100% in sync and after like the 3rd or 4th fireball attack only i started to get hit by them

[old phoenix]

Only happens to person who didn't make instance from what I've experienced

[stiff dagger]

The method just breaks down there

[old phoenix]

It only happens to person who did not make the instance though, I've been sending for about 6 hours yesterday and never happened to my duo partner

[sudden ocean]

do the host and the guest get hourglasses on different ticks or something? thats so weird that things like that would depend on whether you're hosting or not

[old phoenix]

Not different ticks but maybe different pattern

[stiff dagger]

The two people's hourglasses are oppositely oriented

So 1 always gets hit

[sudden ocean]

what if they just did a mirror donofly

👀

the shadow walls aren't perfectly centered though i think

[old phoenix]

Just be instance owner and never get hit

[sudden ocean]

my method has you only get hit by 1 hourglass, i might try to cook something better or just wait until someone figures out the 3t tech

i think improving my method would involve moving the 2 tile

so will see

[old phoenix]

Im always getting this exact hour glass hit when duoing and not being instance owner

[royal anvil]

I guess so , meta is 1 mager and 1 meleer and meleer host

[sudden ocean]

i think the "mager" in that case should still be meleeing until orbs up

and do the turducken thing to deal with them if needed

but that looks kinda annoying to learn

[old phoenix]

Nah just take the hit tbh haha

[sudden ocean]

Taking one hourglass hit isn't the end of the world

Sometimes the kills don't even take that long

[winter seal]

should've made it about lack of zammy wines on the table

[atomic surge]

Stop zammy whining

[dapper hollow]

Slight optimization for donofly for duos, horn Specing on the “2” tile really improves the consistency

Just did a 2 hour session with 0 orbs popping

Horn on 2 into 100% Emberlight hits from both players , 3x during p3

[umbral cradle]

the horn user doing bclaws instead is better

that is, that they should use their spec on bclaws, and not horn spec

[dapper hollow]

It’s not by my math

[umbral cradle]

i did my own math

[dapper hollow]

Did you account for the boss dying without realizing the full burn

[umbral cradle]

yes, the boss doesnt die that fast

[dapper hollow]

B claw is 45.4 average and ember is 26.8 so a Bclaw is 18.6 extra damage assuming full burn

Ember is 26.5 but goes to 34.5 with a horn, so ur getting 16 extra damage

From 25% spec

So even w full burn dmg that’s more

And it’s significantly more consistent than any other place you could spec

[dapper hollow]

did you have something different in your math than what i posted

[umbral cradle]

https://gearscape.net/calculators/dps?preset=4474ff7ba6

[dapper hollow]

what is that

showing different average hits?

[umbral cradle]

yea, you did the same thing

[dapper hollow]

im talking about enrage

[umbral cradle]

good point, i had the wrong NPC selected

i still think im right though

sry i havent had time to explain more clearly

avg emberlight is ~34 while horned

avg emberlight: 26.6
horned emberlight: ~34
avg bclaw: 49.7

[keen egret]

bclaw better than dclaw?

[dapper hollow]

yes

[umbral cradle]

34-26.6 = 7.4 more dmg per player's emberlight

2x = 14.8 damage from the horn spec (25%)

49.7=26.6 = 23.1 more damage from burning claws (30% spec)

to me, that's pretty obvious which is better

[dapper hollow]

wheres 49.7

sorry im not super familiar with gearscape

howcome on player dps i only see one setup

[umbral cradle]

sry the labels on my sets are old/misleading

[dapper hollow]

oh its the labels

i see

nvm

[umbral cradle]

oh sorry i used an old number for bclaws

[dapper hollow]

all g

[umbral cradle]

47.057, not 49.7

[dapper hollow]

so on enrage i see this

with that gear, i had full torva in my calcs fwiw but ill use this

[umbral cradle]

sry im killing yama simultaneously l0l

so im insanely distracted

[dapper hollow]

so 26.6 ember goes to 34.5 thats 15.8 dmg

nws lol

and bclaw is 20.4 extra dmg

so yeah with that gear it is slightly better dmg while with full torva it swings the other way slightly, the piece that i really like though is the consistency

[umbral cradle]

bclaws are pretty consistent though

[dapper hollow]

what i found is basically the random kills where you have low dps p3 are the kills that waste a bunch of food, or ppl end up dying

[umbral cradle]

your 100% accurate emberlight could hit 1

[dapper hollow]

yeah, im not saying its always gonna high roll, but it cuts out the extreme cases

maybe the orb situation was just my experience

but before we adopted this method we would have like 1~ kill per trip where our dps was bad and the orbs would spawn and start going off

when we switched to horn spec on 2, it never happened in 40~ kc

[umbral cradle]

its closer than I thought before, because I didnt have yama enrage selected

but i still think its a little better

to bclaw

[cobalt jungle]

What's the best heavy ranged weapon for afking greaters for contracts?

I guess just acbing it

[dapper hollow]

prob hunter crossbow

[cobalt jungle]

Like the one that's used for rax?

I'll have to calc it when I get home

[naive widget]

probably not worth the time collecting bolts - i'd calc dragonstone bolts from hydra versus karil's crossbow instead

[plush shadow]

ye what bkraze said u do lose out on very inital hit. if u wana mixmax for that doing it the original way still better

but for moneys/consistentsy this seems way easier

[cobalt jungle]

Yea I'm using a stack of diamond I got from somewhere

Is for sure not the best but I have so many

[naive widget]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=HideBangsCoppers

[cobalt jungle]

Don't have a karils crossbow

Hell yea

Thank you for calcing that, I'm on a ferry

[vast quarry]

this bad

u can take a hit from the skulls

[balmy raft]

are u guys taking into account that it's a 5t hit

[sudden ocean]

are u hosting the instance

[vast quarry]

yus

[sudden ocean]

i dont usually host and the old tiles had me getting twice by the hourglasses

but those tiles it was only one hit

[vast quarry]

that's weird

ima prob stick to the 1t delay old method

ive never taken a hit on that one

[sudden ocean]

the delay tile thing vs the wait for the animation to start

actually put you on the same cycle

[vast quarry]

i mean the 4.1 delay

on the right side

[sudden ocean]

oh

[vast quarry]

that's where i get hit by the flaming skull

[sudden ocean]

yea i might go back to that

[vast quarry]

im sure more iterations of donofly will come out so its a waiting game

im interested to see a method with molgoats 3t thing

that looked cool af

[sudden ocean]

im excited for the one that incorporates 3t

Yea

[atomic surge]

could be damenfly

[vast quarry]

that'd be insane for solos if optimized well

[digital jetty]

I don’t see how it would be possible to incorporate the 3t into a pattern that always dodges the skulls

[vast quarry]

ive done a couple solos where I do donofly -> hit both orbs with magic -> instantly back into melee cycle

[atomic surge]

learning that is on my todo list

[winter seal]

The random hits have solutions in descriptions

[atomic surge]

probably need it for the contracts

[vast quarry]

wonder what the contracts will be

[atomic surge]

However apparently jmods didn't expect donofly so presumably will not need it for the contracts or the CAs

[vast quarry]

doom from colo

[atomic surge]

.

[sudden ocean]

Bleed on melee hit makes a lot of sense

Very movement based boss

Enjoy not being able to move

[vast quarry]

is there estimated rates for contracts from black demons

[atomic surge]

it's shit

wait for the buff

I had invested a ton in them I got out

[vast quarry]

thought farming them wouldnt be annoying

[atomic surge]

it's so bad that jagex is gonna have to entirely rework them

it's 10x worse than orbs

[vast quarry]

maybe contracts will be so easy it wont matter

[opal zealot]

With even worse gameplay

[atomic surge]

eh

mage solo is just red Whisperer

if you think about it

[opal zealot]

water blast those demons for your radiant oathplate bozo

enjoy your next 500 hrs

[sudden ocean]

i have 3 dossiers in almost 200 kc

wack

[atomic surge]

10 in 142 and a lot of duo

[sudden ocean]

getting 5 contracts for roathplate is gonna be fun

[atomic surge]

i don't know which of these is the most useless

[sudden ocean]

does horn give you a buff if you're alone?

[atomic surge]

no

I have used it a bit at yama

[civic epoch]

i just got my first one at 170

[atomic surge]

but I don't think anybody is using horn anywhere except for yama?

[sudden ocean]

i didn't think so but then someone said it did and i was confused

[atomic surge]

maybe dumb megascalers 100% accurately hitting mystics or whatever

[sudden ocean]

it sounded cracked at nex but apparently she regens def fast

[opal zealot]

People are too busy labbing yama to use it elsewhere imo

[atomic surge]

it would be good at nex except it doesnt work on scythe or claws

it's overnerfed

[sudden ocean]

maul tho?

or does she have def cap

[atomic surge]

nex has a big def cap

and horn for maul feels so mid

[opal zealot]

allegedly sra is the tech for nex with horn cuz you get a billion hits in a duo

[atomic surge]

that is the theory

but i have yet to hear of anybody actually doing it

and by a billion you mean 8

[naive widget]

didn't perfect araxxor 2 basically require you to step under the boss? i mean i guess just camping there the whole time isn't the same thing as attacking the boss while you're doing it but i don't see how jagex could realize it was possible to damage the boss by stepping under him without realizing you could red-click to attack while getting dragged out while you're at it

[opal zealot]

also get the altar and surge pots but labbing nex is a couple hundred hours away for me

[atomic surge]

what you can do for corp

is horn your alt in multicombat, tele in, elder corp, surge pot, elder again

if corp is in the right side of the room 🙄

[sudden ocean]

that works?

[[soulflame horn]]

[acoustic summit]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Soulflame_horn

[atomic surge]

irongearcord has a streamable of a naked iron buffing an alt in the wildy

right outside corp

the problem is irons cant buff each other inside of corp

and iron and mains dont share corp lobby

[sudden ocean]

Ironmen can only receive the effects of Entice from other players in certain group content (ex. Nex, Raids, Royal Titans, and Yama). Group ironmen can receive its effects outside of the aforementioned content if another member of the group uses it.

[atomic surge]

ye

but you can cast it on a main

and it also buffs you

but then you only have 75% spec

[opal zealot]

[sudden ocean]

oh i see

[opal zealot]

seems like an oversight

[sudden ocean]

i don't think irons being able to use soulflame at corp would be game breaking

[opal zealot]

corp is ironman retirement home so speeding it up could be problematic

[sudden ocean]

philosophical question

[atomic surge]

horn is going to 0

it is just

not a good item

so few use cases

not really that rare

[sudden ocean]

does voidwaker spec count as a melee hit for the purposes of soulflame horn

[atomic surge]

it's like ralos but much easier to acquire

[opal zealot]

no idea

afaik it counts as a magic attack for corp but haven't seen anybody test a vw spec with a horn

[sacred badge]

fast regen too right?

ok looks like it

[winter seal]

wtf you've got a lot of contracts

I've got 4 from my 12 dossiers, 2 pet ones and 2 transmog bottom

[sacred badge]

only contract I've gotten is a horn one

[dapper hollow]

Horn good for team toa isn’t it

Basically a max bgs everytime

[sudden ocean]

[sharp lantern]

any +1 maxed yamafly? have horn, bring elder

[wise tulip]

whats the fix for p3 donofly when you spawn in 1t later than your duo?

[languid harbor]

if you spawn in 1t later and are two ticks from delay tile wait at 1 to sync up

[wise tulip]

ty

[wide crypt]

sorry if this has come up already, i’ve only been able to play/check discord on weekends so i’m kinda out of the loop. are solos decent for drops? cba finding 0 kcers rn.

[sacred badge]

what's the deal with your alt?

[dapper hollow]

Solos are straight up 12% worse for getting the uniques, as well they are slower and more effort , they are very doable though.

[wide crypt]

Thank you for the straight forward answer and not some random react. I’ll go to yama world and find a duo

[balmy raft]

did u guys come to a conclusion on bclaws vs horn

also, if duo has something like abby dagger horn should win big rihg

sorry i will only answer to procoptodon

[sudden ocean]

wym like abby dagger

horn only affects the first hitsplat if that's what you're getting at

[forest island]

abby dagger does one accuracy roll

[sudden ocean]

does that mean horn makes abby dagger specs always hit completely

[forest island]

If I understand horn correctly then yeah

[sacred badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4oDt-twzz8

[sudden ocean]

port

[plush shadow]

idt i could learn that even with 3 years of practicing

[icy copper]

burning claws feel like shit on yama, wondering if VW is the play instead anyones feelscraft that

[plush shadow]

i liked bclaws just cuz they arent as much of a spec commitment for dwh/void orbs

[sudden ocean]

that's been my cope

feel like if i take a big spec i don't get to emberlight the next kc

[icy copper]

you guys have upgrade DC?

[sudden ocean]

i do but ive only gotten to use it once so far when i procced it on second judge and yama

[icy copper]

ah im meleeing p3 and pillars usually give me x4 DC spec back (using it twice) so swimming in spec sometimes

[sudden ocean]

ah i don't have purging staff so i dont ever kill orbs

[icy copper]

yeah fair then, ima feelscraft a VW with my circumstances and report back

[plush shadow]

i feel like if u have horn thats rrly good as well

like just horning each other

but idk just basing off vibes

[split pagoda]

[icy copper]

Defensive reductions roll over into every phase afaik

[sacred badge]

what's the deal with your alt?

[radiant pendant]

Kk ty

[winter seal]

man is just deleting every message now

[sacred badge]

what's the deal with your alt?

[dapper hollow]

They are so close to the same

It’s like -/+ 1 dmg per spec

https://x.com/PortKhazard/status/1923883129556664352

Port_Khazard (@PortKhazard) on X

Nofly with no tickloss

Probably ~10% extra DPS from the extra ticks you get from perfect meteor dodges

Having to scythe a lot to stay in cycles and not lose ticks takes away some value. There are probably better hit cycles to scythe less, but this is what I came up with for now

X · May 17, 2025, 11:27 PM

[atomic surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfd5A9NFJoo

[balmy raft]

3:42 solo LMFAO

today someone told me that duos were typically 3:30-4:30

[wide crypt]

Anybody know if elder maul is worth without horn? wiki says 3 arclight specs into elder maul but I don't trust wiki