#Perilous moons routing

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tall summit
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So with Jagex just dropping a load of midgame content into the game, figure it might be discussing if it might have any ramifications.

I was thinking a potential (obviously much less efficient, but perhaps useful to avoid burnout - also, it's kind of complementary seeing as neither Barrows nor Perilous Moons uses ranged at all) route could be grabbing the Eclipse atlatl as soon as possible - that's a solid ranged weapon that could (potentially? not sure if the range allows it) let you start safespotting K'ril, which would give you a zhasta to continue training slayer/make continuing Perlious Moons more efficient/maybe let you jump into ToA. But you kind of need some good defense for Perilous Moons first - that might mean it's worth doing some Barrows to upgrade your torso/legs, which means you might want to grab a Warped Sceptre, and I'm sure there's more implications you can think of. Any thoughts?

distant laurel
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Imo it doesn't really change anything in the 1) get bowfa 2) do bandos 3) do kril for hasta route

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bowfa is just op, you can't go around it

tall summit
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obviously you need it at some point but maybe with the new stuff you can have a wider array of alternative activities to do when you're bored

haughty topaz
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you can already do alternative activities, it's just not efficient to do those activities. there's nothing saying you have to do cg until completion

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just play whatever way you want to play unless you're worried about being efficient

little island
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The new melee weapon is good but I think you want bcp + tassets + hasta before going for it perhaps

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its not at all clear that this content is efficient

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well, the quiver is

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you cant skip cg, and if you can get a bowfa attempting to make any other low level ranged weapon work is silly

lyric swallow
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Let's say it's meta to get after BCP/hasta.

The list of uses I have for it are:

  1. Spindel/Vene
  2. Calvarion/Vetion
  3. PNM
    ???

Anyone care to add?
I feel like most people would ignore PNM until scythe anyway, so would it really speed up the wildy grind enough to be worth going for?

sacred yew
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From a rough calc I am getting 7 seconds ttk save for spindel over hasta, which would be 1.7 hours to voidwaker gem. Seems like you'd have to wait for drop rates to see if it would save time overall

floral heath
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So are you saying it’s more efficient to get bofa before dex?

sacred yew
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It is yes

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Bofa helps much more with dex than dex helps with bofa

mossy junco
sacred yew
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Uhh no I used the spreadsheet assuming torture+weapon+bring+bcp with a parched fire cape

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Dunno if wiki calc has the set yet

mossy junco
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Fair

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If you do bring the macua's it might be better to bring the full set over torture+bring+bcp

sacred yew
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Very possible, the set effect is strong and you can swap tort for strength ammy

mossy junco
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But then you have to get the full set

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And I heard someone say you the order you get the gear is fixed with the weapons first.
If that's true the weapon is probably a relatively short grind

sacred yew
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So with the setup I punched in with 85 attack and glory you'd have an 18% chance of saving a tick with the full armour but you lose 6% dps flat vs the torture setup

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So seems like staying for armour is not worth it if I did that correctly

mossy junco
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Ye okay, and if you want to do some grind to speed up spindel/calvarion you can just do rev weapons and beat it for sure

rose harbor
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The mage armour is on par with Ahrims and is way faster to get
If it's not nerfed it'll be reasonable to grind out the mage armour tbh
I'm seeing legit like a couple hours to get it

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By on par I mean literally exact same offensive stats

sacred yew
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Ok fine I'll do it

rose harbor
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Besides that I'd probably aim for the melee gear as BRUH said
But you'll want hasta + whip minimum I think
Hasta on stab and crush and whip on slash

sacred yew
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Tbh I am excited there seems to be some decently relevant new content once in a while

umbral cedar
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The mage gear being good and fast to get is actually pretty hype

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Something in between mystic and ancestral? Crazy

sacred yew
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I think I'll go with fang+hasta+whip once I have the latter 😊

rose harbor
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Honestly it's barely in-between
When it comes to magic dmg% is king
I'd say it's basically mystics

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Like on a scale of 0 to 10 where 0 is mystics and 10 is ancestral, ahrims/frostmoon is like a 2

umbral cedar
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Naturally yeah. That was true for ahrims as well tho

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Yeah exactly

rose harbor
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So you don't even need to go to ToA first

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Just the hasta

ruby pivot
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are we sure the ranged set with throwing spears and the sunlight crossbow don't at all change the ranged progression?

sacred yew
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Unless it somehow beats bofa most likely not because you basically dont range before bofa

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You just throw chins for xp

ruby pivot
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both will be significantly easier to get than bowfa, they just have to be competitive

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crossbow is 3t and 8 tile attack range. the weapon is insane

final tree
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They arent competitive

sacred yew
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Well feel free to calc it 🙂 I am not getting my hopes up

final tree
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The armor is paper and the accuracy is much much worse than bowfa

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Its more of a budget bp/better msb

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Doesn't compete with bowfa

sacred yew
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Keep in mind cg also gives lots of gp that saves time skilling on top and bofa doesn't use ammo

final tree
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Ppl will just look for any reason to dodge bowfa

ruby pivot
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Jagex doesn't like the bowfa meta

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I assumed they were trying to nerf it a bit (progression wise) with these items

sacred yew
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You can dodge bofa if you want, lots of people try (and few actually do it), it's just going to be slower and harder

final tree
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Only way to get rid of it is to require you to use your own gear inside

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Thats the only way

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Or gut bowfa but they wont do that

sacred yew
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I don't think jagex dislikes the bofa meta

tall summit
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i basically bailed on membership immediately after elite void (and a few other misc stuff i was close to like quest cape, ornate pool, elite void) because I was dreading the bowfa grind. Cg seems like pretty fun content, honestly, but what i was really hating was the prospect of having to catch chinchompas lol

final tree
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I don't think they care really

final tree
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At least try the content first, 92 range is not a hard req

sacred yew
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Also what jagex is trying to do you have to take with a grain of salt, they tend to misinterpret/miscalculate their own numbers

final tree
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Just recommendation to newer players

ruby pivot
haughty topaz
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i personally just afk'd range training while doing cg instead of doing chins

tall summit
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I did send several attempts into CG! I'm just bad at the game so none of them won lol

final tree
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All the midgame items suck compared to bowfa so i disagree

haughty topaz
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low range didn't kill me, i killed myself when i messed up

final tree
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They are releasing "midgame" content and items because most people are in that level bracket and it will give the highest engagement numbers

sacred yew
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Personally I don't think the bofa bottleneck is all that bad anyways, it's a pretty short grind for a very powerful.item

ruby pivot
final tree
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Does it?

ruby pivot
final tree
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It doesn't mean that they don't either

final tree
sacred yew
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Idk it doesn't really matter what jagex likes or dislikes anyways, the numbers just aren't there to really replace bofa

final tree
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Most ppl are low level because they are either casuals, bad or both

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Jagex wants the most players possible to engage with any given content for maximum revenue

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Its not deeper than that

ruby pivot
final tree
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Irons are a small part of the playerbase and don't rly matter

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I doubt jagex is losing sleep over a couple players not wanting to follow an efficient ironman route

sacred yew
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I don't think that many people really quit at cg, jagex is keeping track of where players quit

ruby pivot
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i thought I remember mammal or roidie talking about how a jagex employee told them a huge chunk of their playerbase are casual GIMs

final tree
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Engagement is the #1 prio as we saw with toa and which succeeded as far as their metrics are concerned

sacred yew
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It takes quite a while to get to that stage on an iron so I think people that are not commited /get bored quit earlier

final tree
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Thats why they don't release content like tob

ruby pivot
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i keep hearing that irons and GIMs are a massive chunk of the playerbase

final tree
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And why "endgame" content like raids and stuff like colosseum has to have an easy mode

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So everyone can play it

final tree
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Anyway i cba arguing further about whether or not jagex cares about bowfa meta

ruby pivot
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I'm pretty sure MrMammal recently said a jagex employee told him that 30% of the base are casual GIMs

final tree
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The new items don't replace bowfa

ruby pivot
final tree
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Yes they do

ruby pivot
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oof

final tree
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Its not hard to do quick napkin math about this

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Bowfa is 4t and has ~220 range acc in range gear + 30% accuracy from set bonus

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The new range item does not come close and doesn't have a multiplier

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It wont compete on anything relevant

sacred yew
ruby pivot
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sunlight is a tick faster

sacred yew
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The melee weapon is different because it does beat hasta on wildy bosses in the progression so it depends how long it takes to get

final tree
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The melee weapon is busted ye

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Bludgeon for a fraction of the time

tall summit
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Bowfa doesn't need to be "replaced" to fix the bottleneck - Jagex just needs to add a bunch of content essentially immune to ranged (and probably stab) so there's more variance in terms of productive things new quest capers/duradellers can do

final tree
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And pipe will crush the new range item on anything low defense

sacred yew
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You do have to collect ammo though

final tree
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Id suggest just getting bowfa instead of holding onto this cope

sacred yew
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Not sure how fast that is to do

humble stratus
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pipe crushes bowfa too once you get quiver monkaSPEED

ruby pivot
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hold on i think i fked some of these up

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nevermind

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the sunlight crossbow dream is dead

sacred yew
ruby pivot
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you can get like 60% of the bowfa range str with it, and its a tick faster...

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locked behind 91 hunter

sacred yew
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Tbf you probably hit 91 hunter by the time you get to cg roughly

humble stratus
sacred yew
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So if you are talking bofa replacement that aspect I wouldn't worry about

rose harbor
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re: the crossbow being 3t and 8 tile range
the blog (written by Jagex) literally described it as being a better MSB and worse than bowfa/tbow

sacred yew
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Someone just needs to cook up a 3tick redx bandos method

rose harbor
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Jagex's words not mine:

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So ya it's in the bin

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Prob has niche uses like bringing it to ToA instead of chins if you wanna do Kephri

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You can drop it too cuz getting it back isn't hard

ruby pivot
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if you're skipping bowfa by rushing fang and then shadow, these items are pretty relevant for a ToA rush

gentle tinsel
little island
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I might go 0 swaps and stock up on brews, using the moonlight pots as srestore+top up divine scps

little island
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I should maybe have shared my dps calcs, oops

little island
little island
tall sorrel
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Because I’ll do anything to get outta this cg grind

tall sorrel
final tree
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Neither

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Don't fall for this cope

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But if you must, rcb is better as bruh stated above

rose harbor
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Hasta camp but swap to crush for the one boss camp stab other two?

final tree
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Surely hasta slash has to beat hasta stab on blood

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The bosses have 0 def vs 100 def to wrong styles

rose harbor
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Does hasta even have a slash option

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I thought it was stab or crush

final tree
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Yes

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Thats the whole thing with spears

rose harbor
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Oh wtf same as lance

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Damn yeah camp hasta then that's the play

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For zoobs

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I think in our case hasta tent bludgeon surely better

final tree
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Yes

ruby pivot
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that is the best we can do

livid kelp
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It’s great if you want to do the content for fun! You don’t have to try to justify it

ruby pivot
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for most people it needs to make at least a tiny bit of sense to grind out.. but the two new ranged weapons kinda dont even have a single niche use case

livid kelp
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It makes a lot of sense to grind out bowfa, doesn’t mean they will do it

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And look at all the people who love grinding barrows despite the lack of niche use cases

little island
rose harbor
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Wait I thought you had bludgeon 🤔

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Or was that Simetra

little island
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no

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the +mage atk bonus is the same

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but mage armour is also kinda worthless

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you asked whether it is 'lowkey worth', and I think it is not

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nah mid game is great, you just finished cg and get to explore the whole game

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bandos, kril, toa, shamans, zenytes, theres so much

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knock out lumby elite and 83 cons

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I dont know what you mean but good luck 😄

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what?

umbral cedar
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I think his definition of mid game is different than yours bruh, but I'm honestly not 100% sure what they're trying to say

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where mid game is like you've finally got bowfa, some zenytes, and you're ready to blast the game open

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vs like you've got some stats and can go beat up a boss

little island
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imo midgame starts when you chop the tree on tutorial island, all players hate to call themselves earlygame so thats the only reasonable delineation

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it makes it a bit hard to give advice but generally we're doing OK

umbral cedar
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Kinda based.

rose harbor
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I think it's legit like 2-3 hours to get the top + bottom or something BRUH
That could be potentially worth it
I mean it won't "pay off" versus mystics but neither does pegs over d'hide boots
Legit one of the fastest grinds to get accuracy gear for magic so I'd prob aim for it
At least based on what I saw from Jack + Nemo grinding it couple days ago. Both got to completion/near-completion within a day lol

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There's dupe protection within the sets too unlike real Barrows

lyric swallow
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I'd imagine over the life of the robes, the gained accuracy would be a timesave.

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Especially with something like P2 warden

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You are going for shadow before any real chance at ancestral/virtus. So that's a lot of P2 time and akkha time with the robes over mystics.

rose harbor
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Assuming they don't nerf drop rates yeah
Things seem a bit too common rn but who knows

livid nimbus
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I actually kind of hope the blue moon armor doesn't make it into the routing because the top+bottom are 20kg 💀

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Like wtf why is it so heavy it's not even armored like ahrim's!

lyric swallow
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Jeeze, I thought we'd get a lighter set compared to ahrims. We really got something heavier overall

trail brook