#Kalphite tasks pre-fang

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primal peak
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It seems like the typical advice is to block kalphite tasks, but from what I understand prior to fang (i.e. using a d scim) they actually feel like really good melee training tasks since I can use a weapon that actually deals decent DPS

They do chug through prayer pots but assuming prayer pot supply is not a concern wouldn't these be a pretty legit task to do if you value melee exp while getting sub-par-but-ok slayer exp at the same time? Just wondering what the rationale was behind blocking them, though I understand long term you'd eventually block them once your melees are high enough

e.g. see screenshot of 10.4 DPS which I would otherwise never be capable of reaching with a d scim (note since someone will bring it up: strength ammy at this breakpoint doesn't give a max hit to either weapon so fury is marginally better)

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static raft
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Use Keris from beneath cursed sands

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Actually becomes a strong mid game melee training task, aside from there lack of drops they are very afk

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Especially if you get blue gem

primal peak
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That's what I mean, I'm using a keris on them and they feel like a legit task to get my melees up, just curious why the advice I always see is to block

static raft
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I think alot of that is the pre keris stigma

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And lack of drops

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But I didn't have a prayer pot issue so used it as an afk task

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And also got blue gem at like 5 kc so it got even better

primal peak
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No blue gem yet unfort, grinding out a d pick and 85 mining and then I'm off to ToA, just filling time with some slayer occasionally though

static raft
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They're probably not efficient in terms of they provide nothing for your account and are highly weighted

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However, I enjoyed my afk slayer and used it as time to play other games

glossy badge
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I dont think its enough to just be okay melee exp to be a useful task

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melee tasks that are worth doing are either quick like kill 10 baby black dragons or they give really valuable drops like melee nechs

hollow sedge
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as elyas said, melee tasks are not good

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there's something I like to call "Just Another Melee Task"

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doing melee for your slayer tends to be low xp so you need compensating factors to make it attractive, and kalphites dont have any

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some tasks that do have some are e.g.

  • really low task size, so they're good for maintaining slayer points. E.g. black dragons, rune dragons, addy dragons, steel dragons
  • nice secondary drops, notably prayer, gp and/or herblore. E.g. nechryaels, wyrms
  • unique rewards, e.g. basilisk knights, demonic gorillas (hybrid task), lizardmen shamans
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theres more but this is the basic outline. Standing around meleeing for ~120k melee ~35k slayer or so just isn't good without more compensation, and kalphite rates are well below that

limpid apex
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this is outside of the scope for most players but there's also some tasks that you can consider because they're very high melee xp/hr, namely chally nechs and chally tzharr. most players shouldn't do them because they can get a lot of their melee xp from pvm though

hollow sedge
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you can also take a chally swap on barrage tasks which really adds up

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if you're going for an early fang thats a lot of combined melee xp from slayer

wise ginkgo
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I've heard something crazy like 3:1 mage:melee ratio on those tasks (like chucking a chally in on cooldown)

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Idk if that's true but if so that helps melees a lot

hollow sedge
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I dont know about the mage:melee ratio but I thought it was ~30k str xp/hr from just specs

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I'll test it one day but it might take a while

wise ginkgo
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Oh maybe it was 3:1 Slayer:melee

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Either way not too hard to bring cape torture feros chally, spec, and 4-way swap back

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Incidentally I bet this makes LB BiS and not magus

hollow sedge
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yeah

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yeah for sure

limpid apex
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yeah just chally everything in multi adds up big time

glossy badge
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no real reason to rush it outside of slayer afaik

wise ginkgo
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Ye I never included it on mine but I think you can just wait until after scythe to get magus honestly

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Get ultor using tent probably for ToB

limpid apex
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and for cox realistically

static raft
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Idk, I'd say before scythe/tob

wise ginkgo
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Long-term CoX that is

glossy badge
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ultor wouldnt be bad for the challying either

static raft
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After shadow before tbow grind

glossy badge
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i dunno why u wouldnt want to rush ultor

wise ginkgo
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Yup

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Well melee stats matter

limpid apex
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ultor would only be for challying if you're doing a 100% chally task

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which is super niche

wise ginkgo
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So I guess you'd do a good bit of Slayer to get the melee stats

limpid apex
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lb is just better otherwise

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limpid apex
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idt that's worth your time honestly

hollow sedge
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doesnt that reset the timer on lb

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im not sure thats even good

limpid apex
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it does

glossy badge
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you just do it right as you gain spec

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you do this all the time with lb for raids

hollow sedge
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I thought lb had a startup timer similar to bone necklace

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ahh nice

glossy badge
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no it works right away

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can also just do it when u hit 100% spec to make it easy but i dunno if chally tends to overkill if u do them all at once

limpid apex
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killing with chally is not super ideal

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usually you'll want to dump at start of stack if you can help it

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because the double hit can overkill and make it so you can't bracelet flick

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but that's not a massive factor

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looks like ultor gives roughly 6 expected dmg per abyssal demon hit in some gear i plugged in

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beats me if that makes it worth swapping but i personally wont bother

glossy badge
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ye i wouldnt bother for any post max content but if i was 80 melees or something id prob use anything above 8 str bonus in the swaps

limpid apex
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if you nerd neck it hard it's good

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but if you lose the full chally cd worth of spec each time idt it's good

glossy badge
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realistically its prob worth doing even if u never check the spec timer surely

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half the time its not gonna lose u too much

limpid apex
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nah i just dont think it's enough dps

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if you lose 7 ticks of spec to ring swap, you lose 9.3% of a chally for 6.67% dps in the above gear

glossy badge
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you lose time using the chally but you replace that with barraging

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so ur still getting slayer exp

primal peak
hollow sedge
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offering is much better, but at low level I think banking the bones is good enough

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these days though we have enough better slayer tasks that you can take them off your list pretty early

shadow sage
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is it realistic to chally dagannoths?

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or is that only a thing if u have dinhs

hollow sedge
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I think their size makes them bad to chally

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the dinhs in hyger's vid is to pull aggro

shadow sage
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i think skillcord has a clip of da4 dinhs dags lol

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but i dont have a dinhs anyways

hollow sedge
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theres a few of those strength training methods yeah, im not a big fan of them but they exist

shadow sage
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ive been maxed on magic for a while and still need a bit of melee xp in attack and defense so trying to find ways that arent just using accurate during pvm

hollow sedge
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chally specs on barrage tasks, defensive barrage casting, putting your melee weapons on accurate and defensive

shadow sage
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gonna try challying during this dag task but i expect itll be terrible kek

hollow sedge
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imo its more a case of a handful of different methods adding up to make decent xp than any particular dedicated way of training it

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ive never tried chally during dags but I fully expect it to be bad

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its good on other barrage tasks though

plain canyon
shadow sage
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215k att tho Pog

plain canyon
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not that much over rate for normal melee training tbh

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for like 1/2 the slayer xp hr

shadow sage
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ok it is quite bad

limpid apex
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you'd never need to do dinhs dags these days but they're not bad for a skiller

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most skillers dont own a dinhs though

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the amount of weird circumstances you'd need to make it good are just unlikely

static raft
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D2h lad

keen acorn
shadow sage
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maybe if ur in a group getting carried by dpicks

wise ginkgo
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with rune pickaxe you max 17
so if you get lucky you can hit 136
but min is 15 so you can still only hit 120

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only way to guarantee it is with dpick, which has a MIN of 17

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so even in the worst case you will hit 136