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underground city arc when
well that's what made me initially think it was possible
coup de burst with mother flame as fuel gets sunny to the moon
Oda did say that he has built his world in a way that even space exploration wouldn't be out of nowhere.
You could say the reason it’s so strong from space is because it’s made of lodestone or something
It'd still fit in perfectly
i mean lunarians could be translated to "moon people"
I assume to get to space the ship needs a special kind of coating
i really want us to go to the moon tbh
Yea doesn’t necessarily have to mean they’re from the Birka moon
We don’t see them on the Mural
Laughtale
oh? Where did he say that?
And not to get to deep but Oda based the Lunarians on one of his favs things and they come from a second moon 
Laugh Tale I believe is an "invisible" island that has been made hidden using a special type of Conqueror's Haki
oh lordy
Who?
Have to go find out yourself f
I can DM where I think he got it from, but it's super head canony and very spoiler for an older video game.
I think just knowing where Laugh Tale should be isn't enough to gain access to the island
Dm
FYI it will be an incorrect theory, it's pure headcanon
maybe you need mastery of Maki to break the invis barrier
but give me a min

Ragnir next chapter probably
Well I think Don Chinjao gave us a hint actually when he mentions to Luffy that being King of the Pirates means being the strongest Conqueror on the sea
I mean it's labeled here that the top is the Astral layer, and they don't show anything else other than the tree.
Maybe that part's honestly just sacred or something
and we know that an advanced form of conqueror's haki can make you "invisible" to others
Shamrock and Shanks so far are the only two who can use it under current knowledge
I think whatever is there is inside the canopy
lowkey i think you are cooking with this
an unreachable island could very likely also mean an invisible island
I think the people we see involved right now would be at that level or higher
I'm not sure
True true
of course it's possible. we've already gone there via enel
Imu presumably isn't using it because everyone knew he was on Elbaph right away even if they didn't see the Pentagram in the sky
Oda did a funny 20 years ago, introduced aliens out of nowhere and never mentioned it again
Yeah that's what he's referring to
Give it some time
20 more years
it makes total sense why you'd need to be King of the Pirates to reach it, you'd have to have the requisite conqueror strength to undo the barrier and possibly be in tune with the voice of all things to even detect the island is there in the first place
AND WE'RE GOING BACK BABYYYYYYYY!!!!!
Goda.
The Strawhats will escape from Elbaph to the Moon (Lodestar) 
yup
Lilith (satellite) will modify the sunny with the balloons Tsukimi used on Katakuri island (same island Vegapunk is from)
A satellite will go to a satellite 
the idea that Lodestar could be a moon or otherwise an outer space entity came to me when Harald mentions the Polestar
Polestar is another name for Lodestar
exactly
I know this is fiction but theres no way balloons can take you to outer space where theres no air. Like, its not physically possible
Already happened 
I think op space has air so
heaven realm resident no.1 foreshadowing
Please refer to the list of heaven realm attendees
any shueisha fans in chat
its a long list. if oda even miss one of them, elbaf rating will go down by 1
i hate leakers and ai slop more than viz so
no i'm not a fan of gorosei
I see
any meek fans in chat?
The original lodestar sunk but a part of it flew into orbit 
The half moon hidden beneath the clouds 
Lodestar tells of the Poneglyph and the ancient civilization etc
Egghead was a recreation of that
Punk Records is kinda like a new age Rio Poneglyph in some ways
this kinda kills the theory of it being a sky island
the astral world I mean
If Meek has no fans left, I am alive
If Meek has no haters left, I am dead
If the World is against Meek, then I am with the World
Astral World makes me think the Giants go to space
The heaven realm could be a entryway to get to lodestar
And that’s why Gaban is there
what is Pasta's account?
Gaban is the navigator he has to tell us something important here that we don’t already know
Crocus - laugh tale and log pose
Rayleigh - coating
If Gaban doesn’t have the Poneglyph then there isn’t much other info he can give
They already know you need 4 and that they intersect at an island
Gaban tells them how to get to space
yeah
could be info on the burn scar man
Vegapunk saying that Punk Records satellite waves will reach all over the world and that they will tour the globe foreshadows Lodestar magnetic waves and it orbiting the planet 
@dapper tree Can you hate Meek more than this?
Egghead was the last island they went to that the Log Pose pointed to yes?
Elbaph was already registered in their log pose
so technically
it’s Elbaph
Is Log Pose even relevant anymore
yes
Yes
yea?
that’s how they got to egghead and Elbaph
yeah
nah
oh yeah
“The island only the pirate king has reached”
Oda’s messages are never on time
People keep saying not that soon
We’re fighting Imu 
Lodestar was where Roger saw the log pose kind of malfunction,
but he said he knew there was an island there
we know this
Wdym he says that’s next
The time means nothing
and that can take us years lol
Burn scar will appear then on to the island only the pirate king has reached
I said next arc nothing about the time
I disagree
I am blue
I think next arc is Shanks meet up arc
Yeah sure
now that could be in lodestar too
Has been a long time coming
but who knows
Every arc since the end of Wano has been the Shanks meet up arc
I’ll believe it when I see it
But this has got to be it I hope
If you mean the arc where shanks and bb meet up I agree
They’ll meet at the final war
this is the first time I’ve said it buddy. We already have some set up to it that you can’t ignore

Blud gonna be gone by the time this is over
right right
You're right but Lodestar is still the next arc 
That's Garp
next arc could be lodestar
We have Imu vs Luffy
idk
The other meeting will be Shanks and Blackbeard
I just know it’s the Shanks meet up arc

I think shanks will try to stop bb at fmi or wano and fail
Shanks will be final war but this time Luffy won’t be half dead
Kinda like film red moment
I'll game end him and hate Meek more
I think the Loki question is just another red herring or tease
Yea he’ll tell us but shanks won’t be there
Or he’ll just say “He’s chasing that pirate Blackbeard”
“You’ll find him where Blackbeard is”
We know shanks hasn’t been staying at one location
then how does Loki know his exact location
Wdym he just says he knows where he is
he could’ve told him where he’ll be next
yes
I could tell you where someone is doesn’t mean they’ll be there the next day

This is one piece
why do you think he won’t be there?
He is poor now, that his job is gone
what if he is tho
We haven’t seen shanks staying at one island long since east blue
What happened to his job?
And we’ve already seen he’s chasing Blackbeard
okay but what if he is in the place Loki said
if that’s were shanks is sure
bb is going for the biggest most dangerous prizes in the world. If shanks' stalking of him has any purpose, now is the time. If shanks is gonna sit by and let bb get pluton wtf is he waiting for?
^
He worked as a translator for tcb
So his job exploded
how exactly does Shanks know that Bb is going after Pluton?
but I heard Viz invited him to work for them
The Strawhats will disappear from the world by going to Lodestar (moon) to escape Imu and will return with the world gone to shit
I don't think so. Loki has to find out what happened to Mosa and I think that means helping him. Especially after getting their butts kicked on Elbaph
Shanks is patiently waiting for him to reunite with Luffy again so he can give Oda the green light to kill him
though the stalking of BB's actions hes been doing for years. Idk what the exact mechanism is but you cant deny he actively tries to gain and maintain info on bb
I thought TCB was still around?
they are
Not for long 🙏
doesnt mean he somehow knows where he’ll be next. He tried doing that in Wano and he was wrong.
The last time we see shanks is him getting info on Blackbeard then destroying kid
Then he leaves
Getting a little metagamey here but if hes never gonna be able to notice BB doing anything big and try to stop him then what was the point of all this
a huge amount of people read from TCB's website directly, they wont be affected at all
Unless their source gets caught somehow
We need tcb all banished and jailed
I’m not saying hes not doing anything to BB. I’m just asking you how exactly does he know he’ll go to Wano when he tried to guess his next move and he was wrong.
I think the next arc is a Fullalead Island Arc personally. Everyone that BB has wronged will gather there to get their kidnapped people back
Who can make this happen?
I had an idea on this actually Jesus but you weren't a fan, I think we get a fakeout for Shanks and Loki is only able to lead the SHs to his crew, with Shanks missing
🙏🙏🙏

lmao
Oh hell no that would be infuriating
If Shanks gets killed before meeting luffy
then it is a fakeout
That’s not the island only the pirate king has went to
Theres no material we can lean on to say whether or not shanks is effective at keeping tabs on BB. Whether its a good idea to keep tabs on BB. Whether or not he has a good reason for keeping tab on BB. All that information is kept from us. But the one peice of information that we cant deny is the objective fact that he is keeping tabs on BB. And if hes just gonna let the ancient weapons slide i cant imagine what that possibly could be building towards
In my idea, Oda wouldn't declare Shanks dead so it'll be fine
Oda means well in those messages but things always happen
He'll simply go missing.
I never take them fully to heart
It's marketingslop but that shit does happen eventually lol
^
Oh sure they do...eventually
It might not be in the year its said about, but it'll be the next for example
This arc doesn’t have much so Burn Scar is next then lodestar
my chain of logic is
shanks is keepnig tabs on BB -> this will have some purpose -> trying to stop him from getting the ancient weapons would be a good purpose
Tons of stuff can happen in the meantime, plans can change, or things switched around
you can disagree on 3 but i feel like 1 and 2 are rock solid
We might be in Elbaf till 2027, but that island is still next
That's not going to change
Elbaph won’t end till 1200+ imo
Never has changed before
Maybe exactly 1200 knowing oda
If you think so
Yeah I agree
I don’t see it going pass 1210
If there's a secret 3rd place that only Roger's crew has ever visited
Then maybe its not Lodestar
Shakky’s bar

It does feel, weird? For Lodestar to be just next
we dont know of any other islands that should be later in the grand line do we?
why not lodestar
Atleast I hope we get a few chapters of island hopping to justify it
It doesn’t imo
The hachinosu arc was basically Koby Retrieval and Rocks flashback
The Strawhats don’t have to go there
We don't but Elbaf is just the 2nd last? That doesn't track for me.
well its among the second to last, so is winner island and egghead
your accounts not making it outta Elbaf buddy
Elbaph been talked about since early Op
It being the second to last island isn’t surprising
Or 3rd to last island
I meant in terms of the crew route
there might be an island or 2 between Elbaf and Loadestar
But i guess Loadestar is the last one
i dont think we know the exact location of hachinosu
I'm hoping for the secret 3rd location personally, an island none of us expected would be really sick
Elbaph is in the middle
the way i see it there are no pending threads. There is no secret 5th emperor with territory beyond elbaf.
I feel like it'd make sense too, for more islands further in the grandline to also be unvisited
And shanks territory is basically Elbaph but he’s on the move
it can be hachinosu or buggy's base or shanks base those are the only islands id expect
i really dont expect random unrelated adventures at this point and nothing else has buildup
I think BB logically must've made it further than the SHs
Emptied Bluff is not the next arc 
So Hachinosu being further ahead just makes sense
i agree with the first half but not the secodn
bb probably has made it further but that doesnt mean his base is further
Cross Guuild will meet the Strawhats at Lodestar or Laugh tale
Buggy saw Luffy at the beginning of the grandline he will see him at the end
bb might have already made it to lodestar
And I didn't say the island has to be unrelated, it'd still be important
Only Roger has went there
Blackbeard probably didn’t go because he already knows of the Poneglyph
The Strawhats will go because Oda will have them complete the route
And there will be something there that will be a big reveal for us
There has to be an island before Lodestar for the final glyph
but that just begs the question related to what, what pending threads need their own island for development? It probably isnt burn scar who is implied to live on a ship
Burn scar is at sea
And he could appear on Elbaph if he’s coming this year
I don’t think we will reach chapter 1200 till Nov-Dec
So burn scar would appear during this arc
Unless there’s a cutaway and he goes elsewhere
So am i missing any possibilities here
- Hachinosu
- Kari Bari
- sky islands through heaven realm
- related to burn scar
- lodestar
I guess SHs get the Glyph from Burn Scar and then they meet BB and have the final fight for the OP?
Or I guess SH and BB arrive at wherever Burn Scar is at the same time? so its a battle for the last ponyglyph?
we do have material, we DO have an example. Shanks went to Wano expecting to see BB here. Why did he not go to Winner Island if him keeping tabs on BB means he knows his exact whereabouts 247? How is Shanks supposed to know BB is going for Pluton or Poseidon rn? We don’t even know yet if BB will do that immediately without making up a plan.
Hard to say, it's really just the more I think about it, the more it feels off for Lodestar to be so close. Some island hopping could justify it atleast, like I said
but to me this is doesnt give us an alternative answer to the meta question, 'whats the point?'. It cant be that shanks is just repeatedly wrong and never manages to track down bb. to me thats borderline impossible. There has to be a point
I’m not saying there isnt going to be a point tho. I’m just telling you that your logic on “Shanks knowing BB’s exact whereabouts 100%” is wrong
my logic is that for there to be a point shanks will have to at some point be able to find BB's whereabouts (or vice versa) for whatever confrontation
and since bb is oriented towards other goals and shanks is oriented towards bb it seems more likely to be that shanks finds bb than bb finds shanks
They’ll meet at the red line
Lafitte is at umit shipping
Shanks island had a unit shipping worker
Umit was also in GV flashback
QBZ again, I’m not telling you that BB and Shanks are not meeting or having a confrontation eventually. You’re not getting what I’m saying
I guess Shanks is trying to catch BB while he is travelling i guess? basically on the sea, so he would have an advantage against BB and his crew of DF users
Cause I dont think Hachinosu is that hard to find as Garp and Perona even showed up there
We know kid has
yeah he’s def trying to catch him at sea
to me the eventual confrontation is essentially synonymous for a purpose of that confrontation and i cant imagine a better purpose than ancient weapons
Teach has too yeah
Rat
They know about the red stones and not from Zou it sees
Imagine what he did to catch Loki
shanks knows about pluton being in wano from being with Roger and Oden, who had poneglyph knowledge. BB knows Pluton isnt actually in Wano because the Davies worked with the Galleila, and know delivery didnt happen. At least that is my working theory.
That wasn’t a 1v1 
Teach was on WB crew and knows about a lot of stuff
And no nobody has to go to lodestar since Vegapunk announce to the the world about the poneglyphs
we don’t have any proof of the Roger pirates going to Alabasta with Oden (the poneglyph that Indicates that Pluton is in Wano). I don’t understand the second point, why is Pluton not in Wano and where is it then?
Kid knew about it before that

A lot of people did
Doesn’t mean they went to lodestar
No, but Oden likely was aware of pluton by being in the royal family. Though I am not sure we have confirmation.
Like who
Oda also said BB is a Historical researcher
Law
and yeah he was on WBs crew as well
He found out on Zou with the SHs
Oh that’s it then I think
ah perhaps, yeah we don’t have confirmation yet
we’ll see
Don’t question me big dawg
I assume it was like the Nidhoggr fruit. Only those who were royals would know...ect. Basically family secret.
Kidd and Killer learned through the underworld I imagine since Blackbeard said the poneglyphs are no longer knowledge of just the underworld
Kid has been there 🙂↕️
I think we have to be highly suspcious that what destroyed lulusia was pluton. Pluton we know is a ship that could destroy an island in one attack. And the mole guy makes me suspicious.
and this was the whole pluton arc
Another Pluton destroyed Lulusia believer 
why would Sukiyaki lie about Pluton being in Wano then? Or the road poneglyph
he said it was down there from legend, but never saw it himself.
He didn’t lie, there’s 2 
its possible a 'great crime' was committed, and even Wano was lied too
Why would oda have both the poneglyph and sukiyaki lie. What would be the point of that plot point
the poneglyph was made before it happened, or the person making the poneglyph was from Wano and was lied too. The people of wano likely didnt build the walls, it was giants/zunesha...ect.
sukiyaki could be mistaken but yeah i agree in that i dont see what the point would be
It would show that a crime may have been committed, even by somebody loyal for some reason. It would also show Davy Jones gave his decendents knowledge that the poneglyphs may not fully have covered.
he doesnt have to lie he could just be wrong
Like this is a big moment building up since alabasta and it’s just “errr wrong”
im in a similar position where my default 50% assumption is all the pluton information we have is roughly correct
Davy Jones could be like listen, after we took out Joy Boy, Imu attacked me in the redline with pluton....ect.
Imu has Uranus. If anything Davy jones used pluton since Bb is set up to get it
yes, they likely knew about pluton and who made it. Which is why it makes sense BB wouldnt go to Wano. They would be potentially the only ones to know it wasnt there.
a theory, but saying that part makes sense.
Cause Shanks is working on imperfect knowledge potentially. The poneglyphs were knowledge in a frozen point in time.
Pluton the king of the underworld
Davy jones previous king of the world
Davy jones rode the world’s worst ship and his descendant has the world’s worst power
And Rocks needed Harald to use his lightning powers to power pluton just like enel did with his bootleg copy.
The Galleila probably also built pluton
They would have been released at the end of the war tho. Since lili sent them around as her betrayal to imu
Davy Jones and the Galleila riding pluton in the void century
sure, but they may already have been made years earlier.
Blackbeard and San Juan Wolf (The Great Battleship)
Crocodile was really going to nuke Alabasta and then spend eighty years digging through the rubble for a weapon that wasn’t there
he thought it was there, and the poneglyph would tell him where to dig on the island. The whole thing about Pluton in the story is its never where people always believed it to be.
And people lie about where it is!
People think just because it’s called a battleship means it can’t fly
Literally have flying ships in Elbaph
Hey, the sky islands exist!
Now Imu uses the mother flame
And he wants to tame Niddhogg to use its power for the ancient weapon 
yep, vegapunk noted fire is great because it can be converted to any energy source, including lightning.
Imu + Niddhogg = Enel and Arc Maxim
Imu won’t need the mother flame if he gets Niddhogg
Just watched 1159. Was Nami's attack that devastating in the manga?
ok looks pretty similar
love the face she makes lol
Nerona Nami foreshadow
considering the relationship between fishman island and galleila with the Noah, it makes sense why a fishman would show up to water 7 with plans for Pluton
Cook
And hachinosu was important to Rocks, and he knew there was a gold beneath the island, as well as a discovered poneglyph. Other than cashing it in, how would gold fit in with Harald and Galleila?
Cook again
I think Davy Jones conquered the world with Pluton
A massive ship that even giants could hang out on.
Man I don't even wanna think about won pisu
Hachinoso looks like the most fun video game level ever
Buggy was born on pluton
It would be interesting if there was a weapon that he could pilot by disconnecting his body to the different pieces of the weapon
Like reverse power rangers
Buggy's fruit is so fun
I love thinking about awakened buggy
He'd just cleave and dissect anything at will pretty much
nami fans eating good
Franky fans eating nothing
real
I wish they had a more on point voice actor
Subaru Kimura sounds believable as a franky voice, but he's just so different and less fun than Kizuki Yao
Fym nothing? They got a potential powerup from vegapunk this arc
Yeah....
Usopp got fucking nothing
And what is he actually doing during this arc
I don't remember a single franky scene or line
The mural
He just kinda exists
vortex why are you glorped
bogos binted
He is about to hulk out

it's like soda but sad
the green in this case is the radioactive green goo oozing out of a yellow barrel
im pretty sure h*mest*ck posting is banned
Unfortunately not
What if Imu has the same color hair as zoro
Wait so no more spoilers posted on here anymore?
No more
But there will still be a place to talk about them
i would freak out
i'd be like oh mu gosh imu = arashi probably
dang, Hachinosu is that big? Why does it feel small
You should watch galaxy impact
Odas bad at sizing
galaxy impact makes it look small
yeah
Idk maybe scaling issue
Oars would look like an ant on Hachinosu if we base it off that
Well not an ant but you get what I mean
Never trust oda scaling
People were pixel scaling imus first appearance and said he was Loki height 😭 idk how people read this far and think oda is consistent with heights
It's quieter
its peaceful
Lets you brainstorm
✅
Lmao, oda changes height (not drastically) to make some panels look cool which is okay i think. We should not use 2 different panels to compare sizes though
we should reopen the debate arena and the first debate should be "are hype moments more important to the story and quality of the story than aura?
hype moments are aura though
In one piece is definitely story is more important
Why did i say both lmao and lol 🤦🏽♂️
nope
some people cant fathom a story being told and it also having hype moments
“Let’s reopen the debate arena” and responds with “nope” 😭 😭 😭
Aurabox
Whats the difference between hype and aura?
Aura is when a character feels cool. Hype is anticipation of a cool moment of the story
aura and hype wanes and waxes with what i personally deem acceptable to my sensibilities.
hype is excitement like the rooftop 5v2 or a long awaited character reveal, but aura is like aurafarming, its looking badass or giving a cool one liner
or just standing in a wierd place
I mean character looking cool can also be considered as hype moment some times
Example luffy declaring he will be pirate king in chapter 1000 is both hype and aura
moments can be both hype moments and aura
but they can also be one and the other
Whats an example of aura without hype?
rocks = aura merchant
imu = hype merchant
Rocks doesn't have hype?
he does but he mostly aura farms
i love this moment, such a cool window into imu's worldview
he gets his hype from his reveal and thats about it
Apt for the title
imu decides who is god or who is the devil but to him, it makes absolutely no difference, there's nothing there besides dominion and domination for him, he is the will of power come to life
Gives me doflamingo vibes
🤔
Lucci vs Zoro
specifically lucci standing after being cut
this echoes kaido's line, in that strength is the only means for kaido, but for imu, who has seen strength actually prove effective over the top of the world, domination is the greatest bliss for him
very interested in the dynamic he had with joyboy and what they specifically thought about what imu is saying now
Loki huffing more than zoro
imu has the shades of all of post-timeskip's major villains
Freedom vs domination
- kaido's tyrannical belief of the purity of strength
- big mom's dystopic vision of one world where she rules
- doffy's control and subterfuge
Orochi too
Although he is more towards revenge
orochi's entitlement
Hody jones and davy jones are related
If we're lucky, we'll get Imu popping pills, too.

I will be surprised if he doesn't take one for the recovery
😭 Luffy gonna need them once Chopper cooks more up
wraps arm in band, and taps a vein
"Give me the good shit, Ju Peter."
I want to know why chopper can heal DR with just a slap
But I don't think we will get it in elbaf
forest god tamed demons
Either the human human fruit just does that to counter the devil or yeah it's model forest god
Luffy didn't fight any DR effected people right?
If oda changes chopper fruit as mythical fruit i will be dissapointed
😭 Luffy did 2 attacks on blobmu and called it a day
He yapped alot while in gear 5
But yeah, the duration seems to be very less this time. I guess plot decides the duration
Ya. Doin it twice in the same crew would be stupid
People aren't ready for mythical chopper zoan
everyone is special
The more each strawhat becomes special, the more it moves towards fated story
It is already fated in a way but it doesn't have to be in every detail
fated to be real niggas, i can relate
It’s already fated. Shit is literally a prophecy
fated is a cousin to prophesized
Ik some people theorize the same with Bb but I’d prefer if we just learned what darkness truly is
I'm really curious to know if BB can nullify imu powers
My guess is yes. But I also think BB will kill him
i wonder if neutralizing imus powers would also depower the gorosei
He waited 30 years to find that fruit and he stated himself it nullifies the devils power
op is truly a masterpiece
crazy how oda has been doing this for like 30 years
to stay this consistent, this truly what he was born to do
Nope, there are somethings you cannot reverse even if you nullify df powers.
Like boa hancock stone powers and momo turning 28 from 8
Idk I didn’t even pay attention to the pic
Boas fruit turns people into stone. Her powers aren’t directly connected to the stone it’s just stone. But imu is directly connected to those marks. Tho I think it won’t turn it off for the Gorosei simply because it would take away everyone else’s fight lol
If binks isn’t joy boy real name then he was probably on his crew
i like how that AI edit gave Ace his tattoo
From adulthood
Also made Luffy into Binks instead of Luffy into Joy Boy
pretty sure that isnt ai its just goofy ass fanart
nah you can tell it's AI cause Ace has his adult tattoo
i dont think thats how it works
Its really inconsistent in a way yeah, like everyone sugar turned to toy got reversed when she goes unconscious
The person probably took the original image of ASL and put it into the ai generator
and the prompt was likely something like "make this into joy boy, a redhead and imu sharing cups"
It’s really just whatever oda wants. Best example is laws fruit. Shit got so nerfed because he don’t want to draw all that
If they said anything like "make it just like this pic of sabo, ace and luffy," the AI would pull images of ace to understand what that means/who that is and that's how the tattoo would end up there
A person wouldn't edit Ace's tattoo onto joy boy and probably would have picked luffy to be joy boy
sure but its not ai
Lmao, plot derives the negations
His mother won't be mentioned
What about nidhogg he was smiling now that he’s back
Nidhoggr was a being allied with Imu before being a df
@ashen perch agrees
So?
It's not meant to be an evidence
Arsal is going to lose a bet against me soon
That apparently changed in last 10 months
can imu turn things into DFs i wonder
he's the only one who has made any sense recently fr
perhaps not
Translation: he is the only one who agrees with me
He can give people df powers through contract i assume but it probably has its limitations
yea. I am now a believer
no lmao
Half of it
So you suffered traumatic brain injury no wonder you like Naruto
If Kaido is still alive, then BB would recruit him and hence ZKK
Kaido already dead though, will zoro bring the dead back from hell because he is king of hell?
maybe the gorosei?
The have Zoan types, but idk if they always had their fruits or if Imu granted them such powers
cause all of them have zoan types
I think yeah Gorosei's fruits would be what Imu provided but I wouldn't like him to be the source of DFs per se
Yeah, gorosei are the reference for my assumption. Did gunko get a proper devil fruit box like type of devil fruit and all? Or it just says arrow arrow df?
I wonder if Garling will have the same ability/transformation Saturn had or will it be new
I think he can give DF-like power but not exactly df?
What had the gorosei reveal panel had again?
was it specific fruit name?
I don't think so right?
Nope it just said what they were
but then I personally think Imu provides the immortality and the crazy regeneration
I wonder if imu got some powers back when he killed saturn 
Idk if he gave it to garling, thats another thing
Yeah I think Imu's power is primordial compared to DFs
So he can give Zoan-ish powers
But not exactly DF
It doesn't say anything
Doesn't even have a box
Cerebus also doesn't have a box
that could be it, so
1- Imu has a collection of fruits and he gives the fruit to the ones he appoints as Elders, coincidentally all fruits are Zoans?
Has one piece done a redemption arc?
Robin?
Mjosgard
I can’t think of a character other than pudding
Yeah mjosgard too
Ok Robin and Mjosgard
yeah I would like that
Bellamy?
Who will save pudding? Or do you think pudding will die?
if that counts
Pudding
Yeah him too
Bellamy’s feel meh
I didn’t care for it
Usopp in Water 7 fits better
Robin is the most significant one I think
Franky didnr have an arc making up for that
yeah
its the best one
Nami?
I liked Bellamy's too
Is it considered redemption
I like the scabbards the most becausw it’s not a typical redemption arc of bad guy to good guy
They were mostly bums and criminals who became dignified warriors
What did bellemy even do for redemption?
Oda took his time to execute Robin’s redemption arc which I think amplifies its greatness
It wasn’t so much about making up for his wrongdoings as much as it was him being able to recognize where he went wrong and growing from it
Ye
Its just funny that bellamy learned nothing in 2 years, uses the same shit in dressrosa that he used in jaya
He’s able to clearly recognize why following Dofy was wrong, grows respect for Luffy, then retires because he was never meant to be a pirate
I only remember him realizing that his idol is shit 🤔
also reminds me of that Octopus pirate from Arlongs crew
That’s how it starts
I wonder if Oda will ever do a villain to protagonist type redemption
Like proper villains like Akainu or Imu
He realizes he never should have tried to be like Dofy
That’s why he stopped being a pirate
He did say he went to sky piea, don't know what he did there
In sky piea?
Shandians killed? I don't know anyone else who can kill bellamy crew
Robin?
Or is it knock up stream that killed his crew?
Skypiea ain't the only sky island
I think it was this
Ohhh, i didn't know this. I leaned something
Yeah ig she was a proper villain before she joined
Honestly respect Bellamy for being a man and admitting he’s wrong after seeing proof
Bellamy - 1 | Flat Earthers - 0
But like
What proof. Its NASA lying
Nah, when he talked to luffy he definitely meant sky piea
Robin helped crocodile dehydrate an entire country
Makes sense
Earth is flat 
Robin kinda always was a good person
I mean with Akainu I can see him turning in a sense that he stops supporting the system of the WG and Celestial Dragons, but his sense of Justice will still be the same I guess
Just had to do evil shit to survive
Yeah
Yeah it wasn't a question but like "?" As to obvious answer
Flat earth means timezones are fake
lol
I want to see a proper villain experience a redemption arc.
Like an arc dedicated to redemption?
A major villain*
Or maybe across multiple arcs
No
Its late at this point
we might
but idk about Imu or Akainu
Unless you want imu redemption arc
Someone like kizaru/kuzan/akainu
They aren't a major villain in any arc
Are they considered villains of marineford?
I think kizaru is
Akainu definitely will be
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Akainu for sure

Kizaru was the villain of sabaody
Mf was a terrorist & not a villain lol
I don't remember kizaru even fighting much with strawhats in sabaody
It was mostly px
Rayleigh handled kizaru
Charlos made the boss call, Kizaru was the messenger, Kuma did the deed
Therefore Kuma is the villain
mainly the pacifistas yeah
Exactly
Pacifistas
they seemed unstoppable at that time
Kuma saved strawhats 😇
Robin’s redemption arc is basically “oh I don’t have to do evil shit to survive anymore! PogChamp “
Any strawhats still loses to pacifistas?
No
Kuzan is going through his own redemption arc I think
Pacifistas are much much stronger than pre ts lucci. Basically entire cp9 😐
Villain arc you mean
You guys don't even believe slightly that he really is supporting bb?
He’s like an angry jealous girl
I think he’s trying to find justice in this world
And if he keeps looking he will find it
I wonder if he stays in bb crew and fight strawhats for real
Kuzan to me seems to be a neutral force in the race for One Piece
He seems to be latching onto BB for the moment
He’s definitely not SWORD tho. Absolutely not
I really hope he joins the revs
People still wish he joined revolutionary army
Lmao, the timing
Why not?
- it’s dumb
- it makes the Garp v Kuzan fight worse
Its all an act 😉 he fought garp with fake attacks so that others won't attack garp for real
Also it makes Blackbeard really stupid. Like he’s supposed to vet him
Bb is really stupid
But also genius
He was lucky at times
I wonder if we will get to know what went in bb life once they escaped god valley. What happened to his mother? Did they still hunt them like they hunted roger family
I didn't
Would be a contradiction to kuzans entire character arc. His character has been building up him fighting the marines/WG not fighting BB
I wouldn't completed rule it out considering x drake remained as a pirate for more than 2 years as a SWORD
Kizaru isn't gonna be sword
X drake didn’t have a problem with the marine system. He’s just there for his job of keeping a watch on the pirate world. Kuzans goal is revenge on akainu/the WG
Yes
Not saying he will, I'm saying we cannot completly rule out
Wait kizaru?
We are talking about kuzan
We don't know if he really want a revenge on akainu, he is not that petty
He literally left because akainu became leader lol
Demoting kuzans character to spyin on Bb for akainu would be dog shit writing
He doesn't wanna work under him is not the same as trying for revenge
I meannn he made sure to not kill him when he easily could've at least lmao
I could very much see SWORD split off from akainu
Yeah typo
Ngl akainu didn't do anything to warrant a revenge from aokiji. He has a fair shot at becoming fleet admiral and fought for it
😭 he committed genecide.
We are talking about aokiji vs akainu conflict
Its not like aokiji is not involved in ohara
He very much blames himself for it and blames akainu for making the event a genecide
Akainu is not even admiral at that point
He still the person who made the event a genecide
I forgot what he did in ohara 😅 did he we get any panels of him doing anything specific?
I thought he was only shown once
In ohara
He’s the one who blew up the civilian ship 😭 😭
Ohhh 🤔
Still he didn't turn it in to a genecide himself, it was already a genecide to begin with
You saying like, marines arrived to rescue them but he decided to kill them
It wasn’t. Originally the civilians were allowed to leave. Until akainu took it into his own hands and decided to kill them all. This is the defining moment of kuzans life that made him give up on the idea of justice in this world.
makes sense why he joined the captain with the same belief
They did. Even the CP agents didn’t plan on doing it lol
They were allowed to leave? Isn't the buster call to kill everyone who tried to learn poneglyphs language?
The civilians who are escaping didn't learn?
They originally only were there to kill the scholars until Akainu shot the civilian ship
Hmm, i don't remember the specifics but if that's the case then i yield 🤔
But killing the scholars is also a genecide in my definition
yes but kuzan could rationalize it because "they broke the law". Akainu wiping out everyone person on the island as well broke kuzan mentally
He has moral on what akainu did but he doesn't have one to question whats wrong with learning history?
sup guyz :p
really adorable concept
I too love when my dad possesses my body without consent
yes. he wanted to believe in the system. he can excuse it because a law was broken. propaganda around that law exists "these scholars will dig up dangerous weapons if they were able to keep searching" which would be good enough excuse for the "system makes the world better" crowd of marines that kuzan used to fit in
So he was fine working along side him but he now want revenge because he was promoted ahead of him?
just dropped a post in theory chat explaining how DR is the first phase of Imu’s covenants and discussing the implications, particularly for Shanks, would love feedback
It was implied in the latest chapter that DR and covenants are 2 different things
Its 2 of the 3 powers imu has
akainu wasnt the one making the decisions so he didnt have to think to much about it. This event completely changed kuzan to "lazy justice" from "firely justice" because it shattered his belief in the system. He pretty much was only there at that point because "if he became fleet admiral maybe he could make it better". since he lost he gave up completely on the system and the concept of justice
this is why BB finds him depressed in a bar drinking away since he didnt know what to do until BB remotivated him
No, i understand why kuzan left. I'm not questioning that. He doesn't wanna work under or take orders from akainu because of ohara incident. However he didn't have any reason to start revenge now and ignore all these years
I address this in the post
its more revenge on the system. but i can see him putting some blame on akainu
Alright i will check in few mins
Once i reach office
i appreciate it pimp
Hmm, is it on navy or wg?
both.
ive noticed you never come to the main manga channel
im js wondering whys that lol
I wonder kuzan vs garp in indirectly a battle between how to tackle this corrupt system
I do come every now and then 
kinda is. Kuzan believes using BB will help him tear down the systems while garp believes the next gen marines could do better
I visit it often but only join in if it interests me. Cannot stay active always in all the channels 😔
Yeah thats fair
lol
What can next gen do? Oppose world government?
The next gen marines can only help if some outside influence shake wg
thats the problemw with garp. he doesnt believe you should do that. he just wants to believe you can change the system from within
he had kuzan believing the same shit until he realized thats impossible
I think WG themself are self destructing
Atleast the citizens trust
They spend 800 years making people believe WG and Navy are there to protect
But recently they are attacking innocents openly
I think BB trading Garp over to the WG for execution will be the breaking point. Would be the perfect push to make koby/sword to offically be their own faction
@bold badge good theory, however i disagree on harald getting domi reversi at first.
Harald volunteered for the growth and safety of elbaf.
Actually he only got level 1 covenent at first, this can be given by gorosei and doesn't need imu involvement.
Hmm, its not necessarily the trust of marines. The trust of citizens is also very important.
If luffy suddenly dethrone wg before opening the eyes of citizens how corrupt wg is. It will not look good
how do we know this when we don’t get to see him recieving the mark?
garp is the hero tho. that would break the citizens trust as well
We did, gorosei gave him the mark
When harald was receiving level 2, it was the first time he met imu
It was mentioned in manga
we did not see how or when he got his shallow seal
Oh could be yeah
we only saw it explained to him
We did, if you are expecting a transition panels you don't get it in manga. We have a panel where he just got level 1 and gorosei was there
Not level 2, level 1
He met imu for the first time for level 2
the scene starts after he already got it
we do not see how or when
Why are you completely ignoring the point on how harald first met imu when he got level 2
Gorosei explained who imu is when he was about to get level 2
because it doesn’t contradict anything i said
Its as if he see's Imu for the first time
It does
You said harald got domi reversi first
mhm
As a level 1 contract
which does not = “he met and saw Imu”
Level 1 was given by gorosei, it was that incomplete chapter
Broggy only saw Gunko
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This will boost it as well no
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Bet
This does actually stitch up the hinokizu thingy
Nice thread
I wonder who came up with this idea 👀
👀👀
must be a smart lad

cant wait for the anime seasons end leaving me on a cliffhanger for 4 months before Imu gets shown....
What would be considered wealthy in onepiece world like, 500 million belli?
less even
Damn
This is a wrong poll
It's so easy to get rich in op world
Where is my yes or no
If u have problems the answer is slavery... ISNT THAT RIGHT JOYBOY

Logan Paul reveals he’s questioning if the One Piece is even real
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︀︀“I took the entire plane ride to read One Piece manga but I’m starting to doubt that the One Piece even exists. There I said it, is the One Piece even real?”
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︀︀“For real though the One Piece love and outpouring of support has been so real. So I just decided to keep doubling down bro, I bought two more copies”
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Delete him
At least Logan got into manga instead of becoming really rightwing like his brother
he's still very rightwing
Damn
GET THIS LARPER OUT OF HERE, but dont give him attention he wants to be a lolcow for clout
Yeah obvs
Ive seen people saying he just wants to increase the speculator market
So he can sell his collection for higher
what is Urouge expected to do? (I'm uninformed)
Appear at lodestar
Perchance
why / how ?
That's why you gotta have faith in him
Either way he's the only supernova that's not played his part in the story, and we're in the final saga now
So it's either he plays a big part somehow or oda just completely forgot about him which would suck
i fail to see what part he could play
do we know anything about him so far? the last time I saw him iirc was when he was shown on the sky island when kaidou took his leap of faith
Not much
so pretty much a wild card
He defeated a sweet commander then got beat by cracker and went to recover
it's speculated that Urogue was from Birka, the island which Enel destroyed
yet again though, no confirmation
That's the last we saw of him 10+ years ago
and his hobby is love making
i don't think we know the name of his devil fruit either
Yeah we don't
pretty much nothing is known about Urogue like what he aims for and why he is a pirate... 20 episode flashback story incoming...
or I missed / forgot it
You're not uninformed. There is nothing to be informed of.
nice. so I'm still updated
This week Usopp unlocks CoA and snipes Imu
oooof
@barren token
This isn’t accurate, she still has all her fingers
@rose rune they're getting bangers out of your edits buddy

Thigh is going triple platinum
Thigh just open ur own twitter
cant wait for luffy to meet my child indeed
Lmao
I love.thigh's creativity
He blessed me with this pfp
It's titled
"zoro if the was a Fiat multipla"
Damn, our server really bent the knee to the oppressors, Luffy would be disappointed 
Even Luffy ran away from Kizaru when he knew he couldn't win
*Shueisha is watching
2.3k?????
@rose rune get on Twitter and monetize your account NOW
Don’t let these bums get clout off of your work
Straight up glr soft mention thigh 🤣 idk any one else that does as good and convincing edits
This
bro twitter is so dystopian

Why y'all just had to ruin it


