also-manga

[shadow knoll]

im talking abt what happened to all those kids

[scenic dirge]

Actually loling and lmaoing to anyone thinking Kaido is still alive lol. Like ok if you wanna hold out for BM maybe returning in Elbaf sure. But Kaido being alive is almost as redundant as my college degree

[hot cairn]

that's just the cope of BM fans

[frozen aspen]

garp will die bc he is old

roger and WB sre dead he is next

[trim lily]

i mean i think the implication makes it very obvious

[ashen perch]

Garp is really not guaranteed at all

[red lagoon]

Momo gotta get his 1s with kaido 👀

That lil ass bite he gave him ain’t enough

[frozen aspen]

if by some miracle oda confirms bm and kaido are dead than garp is going too

[red lagoon]

I want Momo to put kaido in the dirt fr fr

[trim lily]

kaido returns, deciding to change his ways for the better and not just ransack wano again

[ashen perch]

I think Shanks still is the most likely to die, it would just happen later near the end of the series

[red lagoon]

Oh no

Not most likely my nigga shanks is dying

He dead as shit

[clear rose]

is he tho

[shadow knoll]

has there been any thread in the plotline that's just been left on implication by Oda, he will make it clear even if it's 200 chapters after the arc's already over

[red lagoon]

Shanks

He finna die

[frozen aspen]

no Shanks needs to fulfill his dream of traveling the world with buggy first

[clear rose]

idk call me crazy, I dont see it

[tranquil blade]

[red lagoon]

And my nigga marshall gonna be the one to kill him

[strong wadi]

Garp is guaranteed, keep coping

[ashen perch]

its the opposite

[trim lily]

i hope blackbeard executes garp

[red lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-blackbeard-haki-evil-laugh-one-piece-blackbeard-haki-gif-8010676475224775922

[ashen perch]

He is guaranteed to not die

[frozen aspen]

real and based

[red lagoon]

Why won’t Garp die

He too old for ts

[hearty shore]

bb killing garp is a bad idea because they can use garp as a bargaining chip

[clear rose]

is it because him being captured is a red herring

[hearty shore]

and killing him is just begging for a buster call

[frozen aspen]

he will arsal is coping

[tranquil blade]

Everything is a red herring nothing is real

[red lagoon]

Garp won’t die to bb now true but he will die

[ashen perch]

When BB threatens Garp's life, just like Ace's life was threatened, we're not about to do a repeat of Marineford lol

[trim lily]

he'll execute him after the WG rejects his request/deal

[strong wadi]

Nah, he's not getting executed, bro is just dying to Imu

[trim lily]

eww

[shadow knoll]

yeah, high chances either shanks dies without getting the hat back or usopp dies while doing something brave for the crew

[trim lily]

i dont want garp to make it that far

[red lagoon]

Ussop not dying

[strong wadi]

We getting the 3 Monkey D's vs Imu, I'm afraid

[urban lodge]

Shanks will be fine

[red lagoon]

The only sh who finna die is Luffy 😳

[trim lily]

[tranquil blade]

I want Garp to send Sengoku to hell and then die to Imu

[clear rose]

Loki beating Harald a red herring

[ashen perch]

the whole idea is that this time, Luffy will be able to save a loved one from a similar kind of threat, he is capable of it now

[frozen aspen]

There is no way oda systematically kills off the Old gen and then lets garp live lmao

[ashen perch]

this is literally Shanks

[trim lily]

i wonder if gaban will die in elbaf

[red lagoon]

I’m saying

[trim lily]

probably not

[red lagoon]

Garp too old for ts

He gotta go

[strong wadi]

Nah, he'd still die to Blackbeard if he dies at all

[urban lodge]

Collun can't be allowed to have both parents

[red lagoon]

Nigga need to a tone for his sins of working for the wg

[urban lodge]

One of them has got to go

[clear rose]

I do think Garp is dying tho yeah, probably helping Dragon or Luffy in some way is my guess

[trim lily]

oda has made me interested enough in shanks that i dont want him to die now

[ashen perch]

if the Joyboy's descendant theory is true...

[scenic dirge]

Bro just becomes a farmer or something

He’s found the beauty in a simple life

[red lagoon]

Shanks will die to bb

Garp will die to idk but he dying

[frozen aspen]

first instance of the dad biting the bullet instead of the mom?

[tranquil blade]

People talk about the old gen needing to die off but forget about Gaban and Rayleigh

[strong wadi]

Dw he is just not dying as soon as we thought, but he'll still die to bb

[shadow knoll]

child of destiny my ass, bro just wants the treasure

[fast pagoda]

Kill garp kill garp kill garp

[red lagoon]

Luffy finna die after he become pk

[ashen perch]

that automatically shooots up Imu way higher than BB as Shanks's potential murderer

[shadow knoll]

😭

[red lagoon]

He finna make it to like 50

[trim lily]

rayleigh is already dead basically

[fast pagoda]

Rayleigh and Gaban can die too

[trim lily]

look at that man

[strong wadi]

Gaban and Rayleigh are just gonna be fodder clearing

[clear rose]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-garp-peak-punch-impact-gif-10940107907296540762

[red lagoon]

Man fuck it everyone can die

[clear rose]

how do you fucking kill this guy anyway

[prisma yacht]

Shanks is dying to bb not imu Arsal be real 😭🥀

[scenic dirge]

Rayleigh and Gaban don’t need to die

[red lagoon]

NIGGA LOOK WHAT WB WAS DOING AND WHEERE HE NOW

[ashen perch]

also why does Garp being old gen matter lol

[red lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[ashen perch]

Oda is not about to slaughter every old man in the series

[clear rose]

yeah but WB had GIGA aids

Garp just has a scar

[ashen perch]

like 90% of old men are just about to die with old age, thats all

[shadow knoll]

i started a military coup 😭

[tranquil blade]

Do all old people need to die? Isnt that ageist

[trim lily]

what if garp has a heart attack

[red lagoon]

Garp has to go

[scenic dirge]

I think the only people that die for sure are Teach and Imu in the end. As well the gorosei probably just rotting after Imu dies

[prisma yacht]

Hm mb I kinda forgot
Anyways my point being yes there are exceptions

[red lagoon]

Teach imu shanks Garp Luffy all finna be dead by the end of op

[trim lily]

i hope saturn is alive

[clear rose]

blackbeard is dying ofc yeah, and so is Imu, or atleast sealed or some shit

[ashen perch]

Just like Imu killed Joyboy, he will put an end to his descendant too. He will kill the child of destiny. Youre just not ready.

[hot cairn]

why tho lol

[tranquil blade]

Count the teeth

[prisma yacht]

🥀

[frozen aspen]

pipe it down sb

[red lagoon]

Man fuck it kill the alcohol nigga on bb crew

[trim lily]

the teeth...

[urban lodge]

Imagine thinking Shanks will die in almost big 2026

[shadow knoll]

he's toast actually, t-bone surviving is more believable than saturn coming back

[red lagoon]

He acc gotta die fr fr

[strong wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-pizza-burnt-cooking-fail-top-chef-gif-25847959

[hot cairn]

bruh

[clear rose]

did you miss the skeleton bru

[frozen aspen]

"exceptions" lmaooo

[red lagoon]

U think shanks is living to end of op

[prisma yacht]

reverse jinx

[red lagoon]

Bffr bb gonna handle that nigga

[clear rose]

thats what I'm saying

[hot cairn]

brother is cooking nothing

[strong wadi]

He just dying in final war instead of race to laughtale now

[red lagoon]

Shanks looking to die he looking for Blackbeard

[ashen perch]

nothing prevents him from dying after his entire storyline has wrapped up, thats the whole idea here

[tawny panther]

true , Shanks fate is sealed lol

[urban lodge]

Maybe not until the end but he's not dying to BB unless he faces his family before that

[prisma yacht]

Yeah I mean the common folks still rely on them it's not a big deal

[hot cairn]

why do you want Shanks to die so badly

[red lagoon]

Why does shanks have to face his family

[scenic dirge]

Shanks dying became a bit less likely after the Figarland stuff imo

[red lagoon]

Shanks not looking for them

[urban lodge]

I'm no Shanks fan so I wouldn't care but I know Oda doesn't have it in him

[red lagoon]

Shanks looking for mr offscreen haki

[strong wadi]

Well, it's only like 50% want. The other 50% is just "That's how the story is playing out"

[prisma yacht]

Ik you don't like shanks

[red lagoon]

And u know how that offscreen haki get

[ashen perch]

another one who is simply not seeing it clearly...

[shadow knoll]

nah shanks ain't dying to imu, it's prolly gonna be bb, so luffy's hatred for bb amplifies even more, which tends to the narrative of being polar opposites

[tawny panther]

yeah so far shanks has shown no interest in his family .. just Luffy & Teach

[tranquil blade]

I could tell you why I want him to die for like the 6th time

[strong wadi]

This is the only reason he isnt at 100% anymore 😔

[clear rose]

see now you jinxed it now he dead for sure

[red lagoon]

Right

[hot cairn]

yeah but why do you personally want it to happen

[urban lodge]

Lmaoooo

[red lagoon]

Bb don’t told us the time to fight shanks isn’t rn

[olive sigil]

Guys is Johto around?

[red lagoon]

And u niggas think shanks making it out of that Alive

[tranquil blade]

Thank you penny for dooming Shanks

[hot cairn]

nah nah I know you hate him, I'm just curious on Adam's reason

[red lagoon]

I dare someone tell me shanks finna survive against bb

[olive sigil]

He will

[strong wadi]

90% would be the enjoyment of seeing shanks' fans crumbling, 10% because it clears Oda's plate of favorites and could allow a better character on that plate

[ashen perch]

the Figarland stuff doesnt prevent Shanks from dying once that storyline has wrapped up

[urban lodge]

You're welcome

[red lagoon]

Nigga u not meant to fr

[shadow knoll]

yeah Oda folded with making Shanks the good guy with the Shamrock trope, he prolly ain't gonna kill him

[olive sigil]

He’ll be just fine

[red lagoon]

Shanks can be a good guy but when bb at sea nothing can save u

[hot cairn]

LOL I see

[tawny panther]

Shamrock ain’t the one who been tied to Teach since the story started

[red lagoon]

RIGHT

[prisma yacht]

☝️

[red lagoon]

bb and shanks beef has been going on for years

[scenic dirge]

Adam acting like Oda wouldn’t just bring back Shanks as some sort of post mortem haki ghost if he died. Jesus rose again after 3 days

[red lagoon]

Who else has put fear into that nigga shanks heart

[tawny panther]

facts , before either even knew who Luffy was

[clear rose]

aight bro wait a minute you talking like BB is prime Rocks or something

[red lagoon]

NIGGA HE BLACKBEARD

[clear rose]

he not all that just yet

[red lagoon]

MARSHALL D TEACH

[clear rose]

weak sauce

[wraith mantle]

Shanks won’t die

Kidd needs his 3rd rematch

[red lagoon]

Mr catch a nigga offscreen and turn them inside out

[strong wadi]

Damn, Oda really gonna have Imu knock Luffy unconscious mid-fight and then Luffy and Dead Shanks gonna have a training arc in his consciousness and then when he wakes up again 5 seconds later, he'll be ready to win

[shadow knoll]

black magic from mihawk's sword painting

[tawny panther]

Teach is much better & will get much further than Rocks did ..

[scenic dirge]

Hakibolic Time Chamber

Holy shit guys don’t let this one flop

[tawny panther]

when it comes to Rocks actual goal .. he didn’t accomplish any of it lol

[scenic dirge]

This was gold

[tawny panther]

not even 1 step of his goal got accomplished

[shadow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/chrollo-lucilfer-chrollo-lucilfer-1999-hxh-gif-16928957668416418915

[red lagoon]

Right😭😭😭

[clear rose]

maybe metaphorically or in the lore, as far as strength goes he gotta prove it first, his dad was killing admirals off screen when he was half his age

[hot cairn]

it flopped

[red lagoon]

Bb has acc accomplished shit

[wraith mantle]

This sounds like the plot of another anime

[red lagoon]

Fuck did rocks acc do

[scenic dirge]

Nah I won’t let it

HAKIBOLIC TIME CHAMBER GUYS

[sage temple]

This is because he pretty much gave up on it after realizing his family was in danger

[tawny panther]

you talking about someone who Rocks beat , i’m talking about his actual GOAL .. what did he accomplish

[sage temple]

You're acting like he's a fraud because he attempted and failed

[red lagoon]

Fuck the reason why ts don’t matter

[shadow knoll]

i guess he tried to kidnap imu once if that counts

[sage temple]

He never actually attempted

[clear rose]

pulled up on Imu in his backyard

[hot cairn]

it flopped AGAIN

[red lagoon]

All that matter is he ain’t accomplish nothing

[hot cairn]

you're washed Evan

[red lagoon]

Pulled up on imu said some shi then ran away

[clear rose]

bruh accomplishing shit aint finna help you when you're up against someone who can beat your ass duh

[red lagoon]

Rocks ain’t acc accomplish nothing bb acc has

[sage temple]

His goal was to keep his family safe, and by going to God Valley, they were kept safe

[tawny panther]

Rocks was a captain for decades and didn’t accomplish anything towards his goal .. Teach been a. captain for 2 years and already accomplished more than his pops Rocks did

[red lagoon]

RIGHT

niggas are being blinded

Bb stepped onto the scene for 2 YEARS

TWO

[shadow knoll]

wait rocks wanted to save his kid and wife and he managed to do that....

[scenic dirge]

Tough ass crowd today sheesh

[tawny panther]

and this ain’t Rocks slander cause i love Rocks

[shadow knoll]

he did do something

[tawny panther]

but let’s be fr

[sage temple]

That was literally his goal too

[sage temple]

Obviously not if you're trying to say he accomplished nothing

When his goal at God Valley was to save his family

[red lagoon]

He didn’t accomplish anything

[sage temple]

Which he did

[tawny panther]

i said toward his overall goal .. he didn’t accomplish nothing

[red lagoon]

Ur saying his goal at gv we taking bout his overall goal

[sage temple]

He accomplished the objective of saving his family

[tawny panther]

unless you can show me a panel that he did then 🤷🏾‍♂️

[sage temple]

You said he didn't accomplish anything

[clear rose]

aight this is wrong as shit but lets talk about it, first of all if we go bck to how Rocks operated he wanted to create the strongest crew of all time, managed to do that, he wanted to put a wrench into the government's plans, managed to do that, he wanted to be king of the world, didn't quite manage to do that but he had a ton of information about the WG and Imu that was completely unheard of even to Roger at the time

[red lagoon]

Yes in the moment he wanted to save his family but his goal as a pirate was to be king of the world

[clear rose]

and ofc his final goal, saving his family was in fact accomplished

[red lagoon]

He didn’t accomplish anything towards that

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-goalposts-changing-requirements-gif-25214446

[clear rose]

Blackbeard is picking up from where his dad stopped

[tawny panther]

i’m talking about his goal of becoming king of the world.. stop moving the goalposts to make him look better

[red lagoon]

He couldn’t even get harald on his side

Nigga ain’t accomplish anything

[sage temple]

Saving his family trumps whatever goal that was

[red lagoon]

Bb done way more than rocks did

[clear rose]

mfers talking like Blackbeard is the king of the world right now or smth, all he did was get to where Rocks already was before

[scenic dirge]

All of Loki’s crashouts were valid in the end

[sage temple]

Yeah he didn't accomplish that goal because he cared about his family more

[frozen aspen]

The marines spread so much propaganda of course the people rely on the marines. When WB died they celebrated bc they thought "big bad evil pirate dead" meanwhile all the ppl on islands under WB protection had to fear for their lives bc they knew no one was protectimg them now, least of all the Marines. But the average Joe from East Blue who only gets his news from Morgans newspaper wouldn't know that. To him the marines are just and do no wrong. To him the marines would protect him.But we the readers know better. Think about what happens when the king turns against his ppl or when the marines think that the people are not worth saving. Flevance? the ppl are abandoned. Sorbet kingdom? the marines will turn to the king not the people. Like we have seen several instances of the ppl being let down by Marines. Ppl who are from WG allied countries should be able to depend on them. But if a majority of the world can't depend on the Marines because they aren't WG allies and even even the ppl from WG allies can't depend on the marines then whats the point of it all? Whats the point of this institution?

[sage temple]

True

[prisma yacht]

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[red lagoon]

So he didn’t accomplish anything

[tawny panther]

lol cmon now .. Rocks don’t need these sympathy feats “ well he saved his family “ .. wtf that gotta do with his goal to become king of the world and what he accomplished within it

[shadow knoll]

trump mentioned

[red lagoon]

Right😭😭

[sage temple]

He accomplished the objective of saving his family

[red lagoon]

Niggas don’t wanna admit rocks acc ain’t do anything fr

[prisma yacht]

Omg sof

[red lagoon]

He got a strong ass crew then died

Fuck is we taking about here

[sage temple]

That isn't a sympathy feat his family is more valuable to him than becoming king of the world

[tawny panther]

like Rocks is still a goated character. and one of the best pirates in the series but we don’t have to cap and we can admit in terms of Rocks goal to become king of the world .. he accomplished nothing towards that

[sage temple]

And the reason he died is because he was going against an Imu-controlled Gorosei

Imu is the single strongest person in the world right now

[clear rose]

his main goal was to be the king, so thats it, thats the goal, he failed to accomplish it sure but he had the other goal of keeping his family safe which he did, what did blackbeard do to warrante him being glazed as "doing more than rocks" exactly

[shadow knoll]

what was rocks chasing for before he learnt that his family's in danger?

pirate king?

[red lagoon]

U want me to list bbs accomplishments?

[clear rose]

only one I can see an argument for is getting the yami no mi

everything else i can easily wave it off as "rocks never really wanted to do that anyway"

[tawny panther]

• didnt find any of the DFs nor did he get Harald to eat the other

• Harald didn’t join him

• didn’t find Galle La giants

• his own wife Eris said he wasn’t ready

-wasn’t able to get all the criminals around the world to join him

[sage temple]

"He didn't accomplish anything"
He accomplished getting his family safe
"Well OTHER than that, he didn't accomplish anything"

[red lagoon]

Get the yami yami break into imple down and get his crew killed wb stole his fruit defeated the remnant wb pirates became a yonko got road poneglyph from law captured Garp took over private island

[sage temple]

Getting Harald to do shit isn't his fault

[red lagoon]

I’m taking about rocks goals as a pirate

Bb done way more than rocks

[tawny panther]

and got a Gorosei appearance which could end up being the biggest W

[shadow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-eating-rock-gif-13935567355130525471

[red lagoon]

Idc if he saved his family bb still done 1000x more than rocks

WITH A 1000x WEAKER CREW

[clear rose]

look at this hyperbolic ass statement

[red lagoon]

Fuck is we talking about here

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-bro-hand-on-shoulder-gif-11963500747147243380

[tawny panther]

like nobody is denying Rocks being a great family man who’s willing to risk his life for everything .. but that doesn’t change the fact he was on the sea for decades before that and had plenty of time to accomplish some steps toward his king of the world goal

[sage temple]

What Rocks did is so much more important though

You keep excluding the fact that Rock's main goal was to keep his family safe

If it wasn't his main goal, he wouldn't have been at God Valley

[tawny panther]

being on the sea for decades and on the last day you decide to risk it all for your family doesn’t excuse the decades you were on the sea before that happened

[red lagoon]

This some rocks sympathy bruh

[red lagoon]

Right

[clear rose]

also getting your mind controlled by literally satan, kinda hard to avoid that I feel idk tho, unless BB can negate that happening to him

I aint saying he above rocks

[red lagoon]

End of the day bb accomplished 100x more than rocks did

[tawny panther]

literally ! i’m always glazing rocks but these sympathy feats yall giving him is sad .. he too goated for sympathy feats

[red lagoon]

Rocks was talking that crazy shit to imu then did nothing…

[dense rapids]

He didn’t find the fruits he needed or the galleila…

[red lagoon]

Exactly

He acc accomplished nothing

Couldn’t even bring harald to his side

[clear rose]

I mean his character is not just a meat head bru, and what do you mean sympathy feats, that was his literal goal in the manga at that point of time beyond becoming the king

[shadow knoll]

bro ngl i think you changed my perspective on rocks

[red lagoon]

And he has the strongest crew we ever seen

Man oh man

[clear rose]

this one true tho, Harald a bitch

[tawny panther]

the earliest we saw rocks journey was when he pulled up on imu , decades later at god valley he’s still being told by his wife that he wasn’t ready ..

[red lagoon]

Bb with a bunch of impel down prisoners has done more than rocks with his crew of future yonkos

Fuck is we talking about

[dense rapids]

Mods can we open the forbidden place

[clever idol]

This take isnt entirely reflective of the reality of the situation here. Marines by and large do protect most wg nations however there are many instances in which they fail to protect wg nations and leave the rest of the world out to dry. However the story presents this issue in a way where we understand that it's the celestial dragons that are the root cause of issue here. We cannot leave this crucial piece of the convo out of it. Especially when oda goes out of his way to emphasize it.

[tawny panther]

no i’m talking about before God Valley, Rocks was on the seas for decades with the king of the world goal and accomplish nothing towards that ..

[clear rose]

yes but again Blackbeard had shit already layed out for him to do, he knew whre to pick up from where his dad left off, and again I dont understand this point of doing more, he has different roadmap than Rocks, and unless he himself becomes King of the world I dont see how he's "done more"

[shadow knoll]

like Rocks was chasing to be the king of the world and overthrow the WG. He declared war on Imu in flower room, then went to get Harald, Harald refused, but he didn't budge, so he just wasted time until Harald accepted his proposal. Then, he learned about GV and poof.

[tawny panther]

can’t keep bringing up “ he wanted to save his family at god valley “ as if that has anything to do with the decades he was on the seas before he had teach & eris

[clear rose]

he spent 30 years or whatever on Whitebeard's ship too planning his stuff

[shadow knoll]

lowkey L productive pirate

[red lagoon]

Rocks was a grown man when he started his adventure too

It’s not like he was hella young

[clear rose]

he was like 20 but he didn't have much to go off of I think

[tawny panther]

said who

he clearly wasn’t surprised by Imu so he already knew some stuff

[clear rose]

he didn't know about the poneglyphs as far as I know

[tawny panther]

poneglyphs is for finding the one piece

he wasn’t after that

but Rocks seemingly knew about Imu existence

[red lagoon]

Fr

[shadow knoll]

was the concept of one piece even there during the time of rocks

[tawny panther]

so he knew some stuff for sure

[red lagoon]

If anything rocks started his journey knowing a lot

[tawny panther]

Davy Clan likely had knowledge of stuff

[red lagoon]

And ain’t accomplish anything

Rocks knew about these 2 legendary df and imu and Davy jones

He had the info

[tawny panther]

and Joyboy lol

[red lagoon]

And ain’t manage anything

[tawny panther]

lmao he knew more than most

[clear rose]

becoming the pirate king is one way to become the king of the world I feel, and besides to become the king of the world I bet he wanted to eventually take out Imu which obviusly he didn't do

but neither did BB

[red lagoon]

We don’t know how much bb knows but we know what rocks knew

And rocks so far knew way more

And still can’t manage shit

[shadow knoll]

he knew he was from davy clan

[tawny panther]

it’s not from what we’ve seen , Rocks never showed any interest in the poneglyphs or being a explorer .. he stated what he needed to accomplish his goal but was just never able to get any of it

[red lagoon]

Strongest crew we seen for what 👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾

[tawny panther]

Gaban went to Laughtale and didn’t even know about Imu and their powers til Shanks told him

[shadow knoll]

i think they goofed around too much for their age

[frozen aspen]

obviously the CD are the root of everything but nonetheless the Marines are complicit in a lot of this. Hence why as or right a lot of their actions and existence as it is are downright unexcusable. I've said it before and I'l say it again but understand when a marine soldiers from some backwater country in east blue don't know about the bad of the marines and the WG. But this does not extend to marine higher ups. Especially not the likes of sengoku

[clear rose]

I think you misunderstand what I mean, Rocks didn't even know about the poneglyphs how would he care for them

his main goal is straight forward

Blackbeard knows a bunch of shit ontop of the stuff rocks already knew probably

[red lagoon]

See u saying probably

That’s assuming we know 100% what rocks knew

[tawny panther]

right my point is the poneglyphs were irrelevant to what Rocks goal was … we see with Gaban who went to laughtale and learned the truth still didn’t know about Imu til Shanks told him 15 years ago .. where Rocks knew early on

[red lagoon]

And he still ain’t manage shit

[clear rose]

its implied I guess, his ship name and having the same hideout and all that

[shadow knoll]

wait, does the strongest crew argument hold when most of his crew got their df powers after GV

[red lagoon]

Rocks had the strongest crew we seen

Was a private for way longer

And still

[tawny panther]

they didn’t

[red lagoon]

Didn’t manage shit

[tawny panther]

the top tiers already had their fruits except kaido

who got it at GV

[shadow knoll]

ouu ohk

[red lagoon]

Niggas just need to see rocks ain’t acc accomplish anything

Bb is who rocks think he is

[sage temple]

It just isn't. If you can't understand that Rocks failed because he chose to then theres no reason for me to try and convince you atp

[tawny panther]

i’m sure Eris told Teach where Rocks went wrong in his plans & told him not to make the same mistakes his father did

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/papacy-papa-pope-leo-xiv-ring-of-fisherman-gif-16472066304115808028

[clear rose]

yeah because its not easy to be the king of the world ofc, now I will concede that Rocks didn't do the best job at managing his crew thats one of the reasons for his downfall, if we wanna talk about his other goals there isn't much to talk about compared to Blackbeard who has all these other goals in mind like taking WB fruit, taking the Yami fruit, becoming a Yonko, collecting the poneglyphs

[red lagoon]

It doesn’t matter if he failed cause he chose to that still means he ain’t accomplish shit

Fuck is we talking about here

If I fail a test cause I chose too does that change the fact I failed the test?

[clear rose]

thats not even the same thing dawg

[red lagoon]

How isn’t it

[clear rose]

its different tests

[alpine trench]

rocks and blackbeard are different kinds of people

fundamentally

its an intentional contrast

[tidal ice]

rocks had aura

[red lagoon]

I’m not looking into what kind of person there are

I’m talking on paper

Bb did way more

Than rocks

[tawny panther]

you think Rocks would’ve accomplished his goal if he survived God Valley ? it’s not like he was any closer to getting harald to join him or finding the fruits or the galle la giants

[clear rose]

I'm just saying, its not fair to say Blackbeard accomplished more when the goals are so inherently different from each other

[red lagoon]

Idc if rocks died protecting his family in his career he ain’t manage nothing

[red lagoon]

There goals are the same

To be king of the world

[clear rose]

the final goal is the same, but Blackbeard aint accomplish that shit yet

[prisma yacht]

I do get your point that marines and wg gotta go and we know that I agree with it that they're no good overall (that's the sole reason why we have revolutionaries in the series as well)
but the thing is it's about garp. It's actually really simple why do you think grandpa of the mc
wld stay in the Marines and say stuff like "protecting rank and file"
When there's nothing to begin with?
Like think about it??
We also see garp teaching the sword
Marines who wld go against the wg will def be the guys who were associated with garp

Also the fact that garp has seen what wg actually is and how rotten it is and yet he decides to stay in the Marines makes so much sense to me (keeping ur enemies closer 🤭) bcs someone's gotta look after the good side..ppl gotta stay within the system to ensure when the time comes the new gen knows whats right to look after

[red lagoon]

One acc has and is making progress towards his goal

And one died having done nothing

The most rocks did is create his crew

Are we deadass

Nigga that’s step 0.5

[alpine trench]

uh

[clear rose]

alright look at it this way, they lived in completely different times with completely different obstacles right, Rocks doesn't have the same obstacles to get through like becoming a Yonko or getting WB's fruit because that shit wasn't an obstacle to him back then, there were no Yonko back then, WB was on his side

he just wanted to go straight to the finish line

[red lagoon]

See this is excuses for rocks

[clear rose]

how is it excuses its just whats going on

[frozen aspen]

I'm not saying that Garp. eing in the marines is wrong bc narratively it plays a role into the story. I'm just saying his actions within the story are definitely morally questionable

[red lagoon]

It is

Ur tryna give excuses for rocks doing nothing

[frozen aspen]

Doflamingo is a great villain and a fantastic character but he is still evil as hell

[clear rose]

idk man it never struck me personally that BB somehow is accomplishing more than rocks because BB is playing a different game basically

[frozen aspen]

and sure garp isn't evil

[prisma yacht]

Doffy did nothing wrong free doffy

[clear rose]

he has a longer checklist for sure tho

[red lagoon]

They playing the same game

[prisma yacht]

Hi harsh

[red lagoon]

There both pirates at sea tryna be king

If anything it’s harder for bb cause this is literally the great pirate era

[tawny panther]

BB finding the DF he wanted is already accomplish more toward his goal than Rocks cause he never even made it that far

[clear rose]

yeah but one is a coward who relies on fruits and the other is a freak of nature

[red lagoon]

Bb has done more in an ESTABLISHED pirate era

[frozen aspen]

certainly not close to doffy but still his choices are questionable and ppl can riggtfully call him out and dlander them for it

[red lagoon]

See

Idc how it’s done

Bb has done more

[frozen aspen]

especially since Garp is a grade A child abuser

[alpine trench]

hey

[prisma yacht]

[red lagoon]

Bb did more in the great pirate era where there’s more pirates and the top pirates are already established

That’s way more impressive to me

[prisma yacht]

How was ur break

[red lagoon]

Rocks ain’t manage shit with the strongest crew we’ve ever seen

[clear rose]

idk man I guess I just wanna see blackbeard do a bit more before I can say he surpassed him, at th very least the toughest thing which is rolling up on Imu, he hasn't done that yet

[red lagoon]

Ain’t no excuse for him

[red lagoon]

Broc

[alpine trench]

i'm still kinda not as active as i used to

[red lagoon]

Tell me what rocks accomplished

Give me a quick list

1 created his crew
2 saved his wife and kid
3 died

[clear rose]

again bru, different goals that lead to the same final boss, just because blackbeard has a longr checklist doesn't mean he accomplished more

[red lagoon]

Bro what

[clear rose]

Rocks also would have become a Yonko in this period of time, he also would be able to take WB's fruit if he was on marineford

but its a different time with different goals

[red lagoon]

Bb had a goal to get a df rocks had a goal to get a df

[tidal ice]

why not

[red lagoon]

Bb got the df

Rocks didn’t get the df

Bb already winning

On step1

Bb wanted 2 df

Bb got 2 df

Rocks still looking for df #1

[clear rose]

you mean the Yami fruit, that one I can give it to him, but he hasn't made the same impact and fear on the WG lik Rocks did imo

[alpine trench]

i just want to stay inactive

[red lagoon]

Omg he scared the wg

And still ain’t do nothing

What’s so good about scaring people

How is that an a achievement

[clear rose]

I dont see biblical satan going out of his way to possess Blackbeard yet

[tidal ice]

understandable i get that too, i actually have periods of cracked activity here and then disappear for months or years even

[red lagoon]

The wg scared of everyone

[shadow knoll]

way too pressed abt bb vs rocks

calm down

[alpine trench]

?

[clear rose]

its just a little healthy argument

nun wrong with that

[alpine trench]

this is still a decent discussion by the looks of it

[red lagoon]

Bb in way less time did more than rocks do

Did

[prisma yacht]

Why is there a bb vs rocks ?

[muted hedge]

what did you think of the latest chapter?

[prisma yacht]

Are u guys nuts?

[alpine trench]

twas good

[muted hedge]

i agree

[red lagoon]

Fuck did we do wrong

[tawny panther]

it started with someone saying Teach would never be as good prime Rocks or something like that

[prisma yacht]

Yes

[red lagoon]

Rocks will never be teach

[prisma yacht]

Teach's gonna shit on imu

[red lagoon]

When rocks said he’ll be back he meant to say his son will handle it for him

Cause bb the one who really accomplishing things at sea

Bb acc making progress toward being king

[prisma yacht]

Doesn't mean y'all will shit on his father bro😭 like be fr

[tidal ice]

well rocks is kinda dead and bb is alive 🤓

[red lagoon]

Rocks cool as hell

But he didn’t accomplish anything

[tawny panther]

the simple answer is .. Teach is the “special” one not Rocks or any other Davy .. Teach is the one who gorosei said is the only one in history ever able to eat multiple DFs

[red lagoon]

He just a mega aura farmer

[tidal ice]

honestly could agree with that, we saw the effects of rocks throughout the series though but they were not directly by him

[prisma yacht]

Rocks had a tragic end

😔

[clear rose]

idk man I disagree, again if Rocks also livd in this current era, and had the same goals as current blackbeard I dont doubt he would have managed to accomplish these same goals that BB is doing, but he's a different person completely and so he kinda like Luffy wanted to go into it headfirst

really its his crew's fault if I'm being honest

[red lagoon]

Excuses

If buts maybes

[clear rose]

I mean isn't Blackbeard's crew the same way too, I think its way more of an accomplishment to have a crew as strong as the one Rocks has

than what BB has on his side

[shadow knoll]

i don't think he even aura farmed that much except when he fought against garling

[clear rose]

nah rolling up to Imu and sitting down and threatening him was pretty high tier aura farming

Blackbeard didn't inherit that aura

[tawny panther]

Teach crew is more loyal and smarter than Rocks crew

[clear rose]

you think Teach's crew would die for their captain tho

remember Kuzan's conversation with him

[tawny panther]

getting 2 DFs in marineford & claiming the upcoming era to be yours on a island full of top tiers is hella aura

[tawny panther]

his OG crew ? of course

[clear rose]

yeah till bro ran with his tail between his legs when Shanks showed up

aura loss

[tawny panther]

after. he fought WB , Sengoku & Garp .. Shanks pulls up and wants to fight him next .. sure buddy lmao

who is doing that

[thick mango]

Yall too obsessed with aura. Bb is a winner. He never loses. You can say that's cause he only picks winning fights but that's just smart

[tawny panther]

please tell me which top tier is doing that then fighting shanks crew afterwards

[clear rose]

Rocks

[tawny panther]

no he’s not

[thick mango]

The dead guy who picked a losing fight?

The opposite of bb

[clear rose]

except if he did run away, he probably would do it in some cool way

[tawny panther]

if rocks fought WB Sengoku then Garp, hes not fighting another yonko crew right after that

[thick mango]

Another aura farmer, ace, is now a corpse

[muted hedge]

Kaido would definitely do that, he lives for the fight

[thick mango]

Another corpse

[clear rose]

yeah he would die if he attempted to do what Blackbeard did because his dumbass would try to fight Shanks

but thats why its aura farming

[tawny panther]

Kaido had a death wish so that make sense

[clear rose]

its not reasonable

[muted hedge]

Kaido would fight anyone at any time

he got a rush from that

[tawny panther]

Kaido wanted to die at marineford so him doing that makes sense

[alpine trench]

Ace? An aura farmer?

[clear rose]

Ace is not an aura farmer bru

[tawny panther]

but someone who is trying to live is not fighting WB Garp Sengoku then Shanks crew right afterwards

[muted hedge]

still wonder if we'll see Shanks and Kaido talking

[shadow knoll]

man i wish Oda didn't off screen and show how he reached there

[clear rose]

and how much time did it take too, killing an admiral, going through the front lines and somehow ending up in the throne room?

still it gets the idea across

[shadow knoll]

i think after he killed admirals he might have been invited by Imu

[muted hedge]

he took some kings as hostages

Imu didn't seem too bothered by his random appearance there

what i want to know more is how he got out of there

[prisma yacht]

Ace was really cool in alabasta anime btw

[muted hedge]

Ace has always been the cool character

i really like his gag where he falls asleep on random occassions, similair to Garp

[prisma yacht]

I mean he was literally aura farming in alabasta

Anime^

[clear rose]

yeah in the filler

[shadow knoll]

Oda did some injustice to Ace for his power upscale after his death

[prisma yacht]

Mhm

[clear rose]

he was cool in the manga too but he goes away too quick

[muted hedge]

i'm unsure what to qualify as aura anymore

people throw that term around like each and every chapter, then they change it the next chapter

is aura just someone looking cool?

if so, a lot of characters have aura based on their character design alone

[clear rose]

its just a vibes thing I guess, like dodging an attack and the making sure to pose just right to make it seem like you put no effort into it, looking cool while posing after beating an enemy when nobody in universe is actually looking at you, throwing one liners around

basically anything Zoro does

[shadow knoll]

every picolo screen time in dbz

[muted hedge]

oh i see

theatrics in other words

[clear rose]

extra points if you have a cape or something blowing in the wind

[red lagoon]

I don’t get why ppl say the acc death of ace was sad I was only sad seeing others reaction to see

Ace

[muted hedge]

a cape always makes someone look a bit cooler, i agree

[red lagoon]

Ace was barley even a character when he died

[clear rose]

yeh I was the same way, I guess those two are the same thing tho

I was way more sad seeing the homie luffy crying like that

[red lagoon]

Compared to when other anime characters die I’m acc sad the character is gone

Ace being gone didn’t effect me

[thick mango]

I was surprised it did seem so clear at the time that everything was gonna go great and we would win and be happy

[shadow knoll]

that's not just you, it's every OP early fan along with Oda

[clear rose]

I feel like the asl flashback arc afterward would have made that Ace dying way sadder for me cause that arc is what really made me care for him

but it happens after he's dead anyway

[red lagoon]

100%

Oda did it weird showing that after

[alpine trench]

this is patently not true because we had an accurate idea of his pathology and personality way before his death

[shadow knoll]

even Oda was surprised with the reaction Ace's death got especially in the anime

[alpine trench]

marineford did a lot as well in showing us how his attitude figured into his choices

[red lagoon]

Ye we seen him a little but not enough for me to be sad about him going

[clear rose]

it was definitely tragic back then because we also saw Sabo die and we have now the idea that Luffy actually lost 2 brothers not just one

I really like that arc

[red lagoon]

I was only sad seeing Luffy broken

I wanna compare it to another character but other series too

RIP

[shadow knoll]

that's the main reason for it, the backstory carried hard

[alpine trench]

not little, we saw a lot of his attitude to his own impending death, his pride at being a whitebeard pirate, his dynamic with luffy and his fatalistic attitude at accepting it

[thick mango]

I was kinda annoyed at ace for wasting everyone's efforts and dying in such a stupid way

[clear rose]

Ace had character tho yeah, I didn't care for him personlly but everything around him is interesting

[alpine trench]

what does that even mean

everything around him?

[red lagoon]

Ye but i ain’t see ace enough for me to care about him

We see most of ace when he’s already captured

If we got to see see from a kid before he died

I probably woulda acc been sad to see him die

[muted hedge]

i feel like a lot of people just don't understand Ace, lol

[clear rose]

like his connection to Whitebeard, him being the son of the pirate king that shit caught me off guard when I read it back then, his fruit is really cool

but I just dont care for him personally, well I did after he died because of the flashback

I like his design I guess

[prisma yacht]

he just needed a hug

[stone tulip]

Yeah he got Arabasta and cover story explaining his character and summit war saga went deeper into his character before his death

[alpine trench]

i think people still think in a very moralistic black and white and see ace doing stuff without seeing the basis of why he did it while the manga makes it appear in all its nuance, we get a window as to why he is the way he is and into his personality with everything prior to his death

[clear rose]

I dont hate him or anything

I'm just indifferent to his character

[wraith mantle]

2026 is upon us 💔

[red lagoon]

But I didn’t read the manga so cover stories meant nothing

[prisma yacht]

Hi pink

[clear rose]

but then you did watch the anime version where he got a whole filler to himself in alabasta, you still didn't like him for that?

[red lagoon]

I don’t watch filler tbh

[tidal ice]

i still remember 2020 like yesterday

[stone tulip]

I think it does hit harder cause unlike other flashbacks in the story the flashback ended with Luffy heading out to the seas with full of hope and confidence only for to come back in present day being utterly devastated and began doubting himself to become king of pirates, he even almost gave up on his dream if it weren’t for Jinbe.

[shadow knoll]

covid buff

[clear rose]

Jinbei upscale

[stone tulip]

It’s Toei’s fault cause cover story are actually very important in the story and even set up future arcs, he’ll Ace’s cover story is where we first see Lulucia

[red lagoon]

But that’s what I mean the acc death of ace wasn’t sad to be I lowkey couldn’t care less it was Luffy that made me sad

[stone tulip]

Common Jinbe w

[red lagoon]

Compare it to that one Naruto character who died it was him dying that acc made me sad

[red lagoon]

Probably

I only started reading the manga at l dressrossa

And that was like semi reading the manga

I only fully started in wano

So I missed like 99% of cover storie

[stone tulip]

Fair, I felt different cause I am manga reader and seeing him in flashbacks after his deaths does make sadder especially in Dressrosa and Wano.

Literally hunting the narrative

[clear rose]

top 5 hardest character introductions btw

Jinbei I mean

[prisma yacht]

@stone tulip how old is loki

[muted hedge]

he is like 63

and in human years he'd be like 21 or something

[shadow knoll]

jimbei in prison was genuinely s tier character intro

[clear rose]

I thought it was 64

[prisma yacht]

Aight

[muted hedge]

no idea what it is precisely, but it's around there

[red lagoon]

Did u come to ask that for manga chat😭

[prisma yacht]

Fk u for the 67

[prisma yacht]

Yeahh

[prisma idol]

I think its 63

[clear rose]

I wonder if freaks of nature giants like Loki and Harald live even longer than the normal giants

[prisma idol]

21 in human years

[muted hedge]

they do i think

[clear rose]

brook gonna have someone to chill with when everyone else is dead atleast

[prisma idol]

Do you mean the ones with ancient giant blood

[shadow knoll]

dorry and brogy are not normally in that aspect

[clear rose]

yeah

[hot cairn]

yeah he’s 63

[muted hedge]

Dorry and Brogy aren't ancient giants

[prisma idol]

Calling them freaks of nature 😭

[clear rose]

ones with horns basically

[final trench]

I mean, kinda

[clear rose]

and are much bigger, I guess they're supposed to be the norm technically

[shadow knoll]

thriller bark ogre lore

[muted hedge]

Loki, Oars, Oars Jr. and Harald are the only ancient giants we've seen

[hot cairn]

you think Loki will join the crew?

[final trench]

Imagine being 50 ft tall and then having someone tower over you

[clear rose]

I'm not sure, I dont think so yet, but I do think he'll be a constant ally to the crew

[shadow knoll]

heck no

[prisma idol]

Its possible

[final trench]

Like brah loki as a toddler was bigger than the giant guards that dragged him out

[prisma idol]

It depends on if his size can change

[tranquil blade]

I'm being so serious I'd probably bet 100% of my soul on Loki not joining

[prisma idol]

Logically speaking thats the only thing keeping him from joining lmfao, he's just too big

[hot cairn]

yeah him being an ally is 100% happening

[tranquil blade]

Loki ally is for sure happening of course

[shadow knoll]

he's egoistic though, i assume he likes to do his own thing

[clear rose]

I'm only not saying he's joining because Luffy telling him to join the crew kinda throws a wrench into the whole thing, and yeah Yamato happened but like thats about the only time where we got duped

[hot cairn]

yeah if his fruit allows him to change sizes I would see it possible

[clear rose]

but Loki needs to stay on elbaf I feel

[vale heath]

do i have aura

[prisma idol]

No

[vale heath]

😔

[hot cairn]

but he’s too big and too strong

[prisma idol]

We all use discord our only aura is our smell...

[clear rose]

too strong is an ass argument, too big is a better argument

[hot cairn]

fair enough, it isn’t very likely

[clear rose]

this dude is as big as a skyscrapper

[prisma idol]

Too strong isn't even an arguement, he will just be like bosses who join rog parties after being beaten

Plus zoro and sanji are likely to get powerups as well

Luffy is already stronger however

[clear rose]

I'm pretty sure his hand is bigger than the ship

[shadow knoll]

loki isn't the typa guy to help luffy out to achieve his dream

[stone tulip]

Human years or giant years ?

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-gear-5-luffy-elbaph-one-piece-elbaph-loki-one-piece-one-piece-loki-gif-6766770417161299192

[shadow knoll]

he would rather help the people of elbaf

[tranquil blade]

Actually I might the souls of an entire country on it no joke, I just dont think it lines up at all, he's too big, he probably would want more independence than just being a crew member, the number theory doesnt work with him most likely...

[shadow knoll]

and fulfill his dad's dream

[stone tulip]

He is joining the fleet

[shadow knoll]

of becoming a member nation

[untold latch]

loki gonna join the shs

[tranquil blade]

The number pattern is real btw

[vale heath]

For the tiniest amount of plausibility ever, assuming Elbaf isn't a crater in the sea after this
This is a treasure tree, if ever there was time for a Sunny upgrade it's post-Elbaf

[prisma idol]

Number pattern?

[untold latch]

on all of OUR souls Loki is joining

[pine scaffold]

The new number 2 of the strawhats

[tranquil blade]

Unfortunatley Stoop was actually right about it existing

[stone tulip]

Perfect reason to join Hajrudin as co captains instead, cause the arc set that up for long time for these two to work together

[clear rose]

Loki is so dope tho bro I love that character

[untold latch]

at this rate he prlly 1 😭

[prisma idol]

Haven't heard of stoop in a while

[clear rose]

absolutely in my top 5

[vale heath]

I choose not to have a soul, personally

[prisma idol]

No

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-loki-one-piece-one-piece-timur-lf-elbaph-gif-6038880021943875009

[hot cairn]

we don’t know his fruit yet tho tbh

[untold latch]

Loki is king

[hot cairn]

yeah I can see tha

[pine scaffold]

Loki is incredible

[hot cairn]

We’re cooked

[untold latch]

bro we need Loki on the sh

[clever idol]

Imma be honest. Hajrudin needs more focus in elbaf because im not seeing how he is as important as a loki or harald

[untold latch]

who else but him

[prisma idol]

Luffy straight hard counters Loki's abilities we have seen so far. I also belive luffy is just generally stronger

[clear rose]

Loki got more writing going into him than most new shounen manga got in they whole run bru

[vale heath]

The god valley flashback alone is longer than a large number of other manga

[tranquil blade]

Basically all of the fruit users of the strawhats have different number values assigned to them, which the last fruit that would be needed to fit the pattern would have the numbers 2 and 9 associated with it, which is nikyu-nikyu no mi

[shadow knoll]

he's a wimp

[untold latch]

Loki got more writing in him that 75% of the shs

[hot cairn]

wow Loki is being glazed and Socrates isn’t around to see it

[clever idol]

Hes not a wimp he just needs more going on

[clear rose]

ya know what this might actually be another good argument for why he might not join

[sage temple]

I see it all

[pine scaffold]

Don't forget Loki is in the mural

[hot cairn]

LOL

[untold latch]

knowing Oda

[untold latch]

FACTS

[pine scaffold]

He will fight in the final war, the craziest war in all of One Piece history

[hot cairn]

what are your thoughts on Loki joining the crew socrates

[sage temple]

I just don't participate as much because people accuse me of breaking the rules by glazing Loki

[pine scaffold]

which makes marineford look like nothing

[final trench]

Damn

[hot cairn]

breaking the rules?

[untold latch]

Lowkey if we dont get Loki op isnt worth reading anymore

[clear rose]

you do glaze him a little too much tho

[final trench]

Free socrates

[hot cairn]

damn

[clear rose]

you're not breaking any rules by glazing a character you're just being gaslit

[stone tulip]

Don’t drag me into this man 😭

[prisma yacht]

I was asking for human years
I have the answer now tho 21 right?

[final trench]

EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO REP THEY CHARACTER

YOU CANT HOLD SOCRATES

[untold latch]

WE ALL REPPIN LOKI TILL WE DIE

WE

[sage temple]

Yeah

[red lagoon]

Fuck that we shit nigga

[clear rose]

we dont really know a real number but super young yeah, hajrudin is 80 and he's considered an adult teen basically

[pine scaffold]

for the first time ever, Luffy has a true equal: Loki.

[clear rose]

unless it was stated and I missed it

[prisma idol]

Sure pal

[prisma yacht]

I see

[prisma idol]

Whatever you say sb

[prisma yacht]

Thanks

[stone tulip]

He is only in one arc, relax

[stone tulip]

Yeah pretty much

[shadow knoll]

i think the CDs deserve a 2nd chance

[pine scaffold]

Luffy will surpass Shanks

Koby will surpass Garp

Loki will (sadly) surpass Rocks

[final trench]

#Freesocrates

[red lagoon]

Mods ban this nigga

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-loki-one-piece-one-piece-timur-lf-elbaph-gif-6038880021943875009

[tranquil blade]

Oda actually got asked about it too @prisma idol

[clear rose]

Loki piece a series spanning his 3000 year lifespan

[final trench]

Aye man…if you’re lucky they might be divided

[stone terrace]

Mythical algo pull

[final trench]

CD civil war

[untold latch]

We all want this

[stone terrace]

I havent watched op content in months

[prisma idol]

I mean glazing is fine, just be a bit more modest about it. And dont make it all you talk about and you should be fine

[shadow knoll]

already saw it

peak

[clear rose]

goat

[prisma idol]

Just do it in moderation and you are good

[tidal ice]

just like luna shipping

[untold latch]

they are trying to silence Loki

[prisma idol]

I remember this

[tranquil blade]

The only issue is the Kuma has the fruit that completes the pattern, which is where the theory of Kuma dying and Vivi getting the fruit comes from

[prisma idol]

I just forgot which numbers were left

[stone tulip]

At this point the only way this ends up true if it’s completely different devil fruit cause it isn’t just Kuma’s fruit that has number, Kinemon’s fruit also have that number too.

[shadow knoll]

you glaze Luna, you can't say that

[clear rose]

gonna definitely miss Loki not being the main focus as much once this flashback is over ngl

[pine scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLHDAPYh92w everyone watch this right now

[brittle basin]

Warning #24353456345 for mentioning LuNa.

[muted hedge]

i don't think that number theory is much to go off of

[prisma idol]

I do it moderation

[pine scaffold]

Loki is the new most important character

[untold latch]

hes joining

[pine scaffold]

in the final saga

[hot cairn]

this was also one of the main reasons why people said Yamato wasnt joining

[clear rose]

is he tho, idk man

[hot cairn]

and they were correct

[stone tulip]

He is still gonna be focus too

[brittle basin]

there will be a reckoning for that blue horse

[untold latch]

Loki joining the sh will save them from all being annoying

[stone tulip]

Until end of the arc

[prisma idol]

The blue horse will never face consequences

[muted hedge]

why do you even read the story at this point?

[sage temple]

Yeah alr

[stone tulip]

Yeah and Bonney also doesn’t match the pattern too

[sage temple]

Best video from Morj in a while

[muted hedge]

besides for Loki

[clear rose]

yeah I just meant its gonna start jumping around to other characters again and stuff

[untold latch]

great question. I read for Loki

[hot cairn]

it's not the only fruit with that pattern, Kinemon fits it too

[muted hedge]

i said besides for Loki

[stone tulip]

I mean even in this flashback that happened too lmao

[untold latch]

no u didnt

[tranquil blade]

Okay well yes but

[muted hedge]

i did

[untold latch]

u said besides now

[hot cairn]

yeah

[final trench]

Pattern continues

[clear rose]

yeah but I had Rocks to fill that gap in the meantime

[tranquil blade]

Kinemon is alive and he's not joining alone so

[untold latch]

besides loki i read for shanks getting offscreen by BB

[dense rapids]

@sage temple check dm

[muted hedge]

so you don't care about any of the lore at all?

[sage temple]

He's the most important character we've had in a while

[clear rose]

unless the chapters that jump around are about the straw hats I care about then I sleep

[final trench]

Ok pattern negated

[clear rose]

not really I'm still gonna read

[pine scaffold]

The future of Loki is gonna be crazy with FMI, Gallelia giants and the final war.

[shadow knoll]

istg if oda doesn't slime at least one imp character in final war...

[stone tulip]

Well Luffy did open the spot for Kinemon to join at end of Wano along with Momo and Yamato so that checks out btw

[prisma idol]

Im laughing so hard😐

[untold latch]

This guy really using literacy to judge op

[final trench]

Its gonna happen

[tranquil blade]

It does until Momo and Yamato also join and kill the pattern

[prisma idol]

Its not

[final trench]

Lotta people dying

[muted hedge]

i am genuinely asking if you only care about those two things

[final trench]

But i cant disclose that

[stone tulip]

Well I guess but Harald also took a lot of screen time too

[clear rose]

what does this mean

[prisma yacht]

Shanks is dying

[prisma idol]

Only bad guys and fodder will die

[hot cairn]

also we havent got Loki's reveal yet, if it fits Oda's bait would've gone to new levels

[untold latch]

shanks dying is good to the story

[final trench]

Cap

[pine scaffold]

Loki knows how the Gallelia giants work

[clear rose]

and I was fuming everytime he did

[untold latch]

cause hes HIM

[muted hedge]

so you care only about Shanks dying and Loki, nothing else in the story matters to you?

[tranquil blade]

If it fits and he doesnt join I might crash out on a level never seen before, I might be the next stoop

[pine scaffold]

Hes top 1 ngl

[stone tulip]

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Oda introduces a completely different fruit that completes the pattern instead or if Luffy’s fruit being Nika does count as 29 tho

[pine scaffold]

Who can beat him?

[craggy vapor]

y’all are bloodthirsty

[hot cairn]

he didnt say nothing in the video, he was just recaping stuff

[prisma idol]

Shanks isn't going to die

[final trench]

THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT

[cloud ember]

haki knot agenda is crazy

[hot cairn]

LOL why tho

[untold latch]

and 🌋 🌋 🌋 but thats a given

[cloud ember]

is this what we have come to

[muted hedge]

damn

[cloud ember]

so far have we fallen

[clear rose]

we got Yamato 2 bruh

[prisma yacht]

Luffy

[sage temple]

Yeah it's better than the last few videos I've seen from him though

[tranquil blade]

because it would be such strong bait, like that's borderline mockery

[stone tulip]

Cause I don’t see Kuma dying at this point let alone join the straw hats really

[untold latch]

there is no haki not agenda. It's the truth

Shanks is a fraud

[vernal ravine]

i was sure shanks was dying at some point until shamrock appeared

[prisma yacht]

Luffy is just better sb
you gotta admit

[hot cairn]

yeah his videos lately have been nothing burgers, he really isnt saying anything in them lately

[clear rose]

what makes you say thaat

[shadow knoll]

how we nuking kingdoms and vaporizing Islands and no one dies in a war, plot armor harder than truck kun who isekai kids daily

[prisma idol]

I miss luffy....

[tranquil blade]

That's such good strawhat-bait that it would be morally wrong of Oda to do

[hot cairn]

he will bait us again

[tranquil blade]

I also miss Luffy

[untold latch]

got scarred by no fruit BB

[prisma yacht]

Mee

[prisma yacht]

Also mee

[hot cairn]

me too... I want to go back to the present

[shadow knoll]

luffy getting bodied by imu soon dw

[stone tulip]

Oda straight up did that with Yamato being the straw hat bait lmao

[clear rose]

yeah but he was probably caught off guard right

[untold latch]

thank god

[prisma yacht]

Not mee

[brittle basin]

"I love drawing Rocks, Harald, and Loki now." - Oda

[prisma idol]

Oh I know luffy will probably lose a fight

[untold latch]

means he has a fraud, cause he has future sight

[tranquil blade]

Oda is a little evil sometimes

[hot cairn]

I can see it happening, he already got Luffy asking him to join his crew

[prisma idol]

He didnt like drawing Ida

[tranquil blade]

We're going through the strawhat baiting again...

[untold latch]

Katakuri's obs is better than shanks if he cant see a no df Teach abt to claw his eye

[tranquil blade]

No more Oda

Please

[hot cairn]

wow it's tuesday and there's no spoilers

GOOD

no chapter this week

[prisma idol]

I mean this is every arc

[ornate tartan]

i believe oda will destroy some narratives with the upcoming chapter

let’s end the year off strong

[craggy vapor]

Oda won’t kill his favorite character

[prisma idol]

You had Bonney in the last arc, Yamato in wano

[brittle basin]

How could you say something so cruel so close to Christmas?

[sage temple]

Yeah Loki's importance to the story is lowk rivalling some big names

[muted hedge]

isn't it some special occasion

[hot cairn]

we wont have to wait two weeks for the next chapter

[prisma yacht]

There will be tmr

[runic dock]

We getting early spoilers for next chapter after this break tho so next week will be before Monday potentially

[prisma idol]

Its almost Christmas, That means it isn't Christmas

[sage temple]

And Loki was introduced only 40 chapters ago

[tranquil blade]

I dont feel like this happens every arc? Idk I never felt like anyone could possibly join until Wano

[untold latch]

Loki is a big name now bro

[stone tulip]

I mean not the first time he baited us, hell he also did that with Vivi and even arguably Jinbe too despite being both straw hats too

[sage temple]

Insane how fast Oda has built Loki up

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-futurama-the-best-kind-of-correct-yes-yep-gif-5787390

[shadow knoll]

the year ends in 8 days...

[pine scaffold]

Oda is a mastermind and an incredible author

[untold latch]

Loki joining the sh is the best christmas gift we could all wish for

[hot cairn]

yeah but this arc Oda has Luffy actually ask him to join which is crazy

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/maintaining-the-agenda-agenda-is-priority-priority-agenda-maintain-the-agenda-the-agenda-gif-3278548794073012331

[runic dock]

Not fast enough , prime Oda could do it in half a page

[prisma idol]

This is the biggest thing loki has going for him

[vernal ravine]

zoro using enma haki is canon btw

[runic dock]

[tranquil blade]

At least Luffy didnt ask Yamato to join

[prisma idol]

Luffy actually invited him to join

[tranquil blade]

I had a sense in the last 10 chapters Oda would kill the Y4N truthers

[hot cairn]

as long as the chapter comes out next week and not this week I'm fine

[shadow knoll]

yamato wanted to be oden

[brittle basin]

1998 Oda could've done this in a cave with a box of scraps!

[untold latch]

exactly, and its not obviously a gag character

[final trench]

Nope

[sage temple]

Didn't he ask law to join too

[runic dock]

[untold latch]

Shanks is a fruad btw

[muted hedge]

Luffy asked a tree to join back in Thriller Bark

[hot cairn]

still crazy bait

[final trench]

Yamato joins law then joins luffy

[prisma idol]

I would have to look

[untold latch]

gag

[runic dock]

https://tenor.com/view/bernie-sanders-gif-16648795068814075599

[final trench]

Plus i think luffy will have more than 10 ngl

[hot cairn]

nope

[tranquil blade]

Now that you said this spoilers are coming out in 3 hours

[untold latch]

nooo?

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/bernie-sanders-i-am-once-again-asking-for-your-financial-support-gif-16208683

[hot cairn]

hopefully not, I dont want an early chapter

[stray pulsar]

No one introduced post timeskip will join. Vivi is the last member

[prisma yacht]

Fingers crossed

[prisma idol]

From what I can tell Socrates no he never asked Law to actually join

[stone tulip]

Meanwhile Oda already spoiled us the full roster before Jinbe showed up at Wano lmao

[prisma idol]

@sage temple

[untold latch]

Vivi is so uninteresting

[shadow knoll]

the new chapter isn't gonna be much different though, maybe just ragnir acting schizophrenic

[sage temple]

Oh ok I was confusing it with Luffy treating Law as his crewmate

[hot cairn]

bruh

[untold latch]

WE dont want this

[tranquil blade]

Could you imagine them trying to fit Loki in this

[urban lodge]

He said Law was his crewmate and Law got pissed

[final trench]

Vivi the lady goat wym

[prisma idol]

Same here, its why I look it up real quick

[stone tulip]

To be fair Luffy also asked multiple people to join yet that never happened either

[tranquil blade]

The tama for nakama people might've been the most deranged of all of them tbh

[untold latch]

if Vivi wasnt a D yall wouldnt care abt her

[shadow knoll]

imu is nefertari queen of void century, trusr

[muted hedge]

would've been sick to see Gaimon join, not going to lie

[final trench]

🧢

[stone tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-prince-we-will-smith-theres-no-we-shocked-gif-17214689

[final trench]

Vivi’s the negotiator

[hot cairn]

hey, Oli is a great guy

[cloud ember]

I forgor why is Vivi on the run? bc she heard about her fathers death?

[brittle basin]

Nothing is saying Gaimon still won't join.

[hot cairn]

even though he was very wrong

[untold latch]

WE want Loki

[final trench]

Also imu wants her

[stone tulip]

Jokes on you I cared about her even before her being D is revealed lmao

[muted hedge]

Laugh Tale better be on that island

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-loki-one-piece-one-piece-timur-lf-elbaph-gif-800055372273514712

[untold latch]

L character design bro

[untold latch]

hes sooo tuff

[shadow knoll]

bitch no, laughtale shoul bd a new Island

[tranquil blade]

Okay it mightve stoop dragging it down but genuinely some of the theories were just so ridiculous man, like her being the one with the legendary fruit

[brittle basin]

BTW, if I don't laugh when I see the One Piece, I'm going to sue Oda.

[stone tulip]

Imu wants her for some reason and CP0 were looking for her hence she became a fugitive

[tranquil blade]

It was getting kinda insane by late act 3

[vernal ravine]

oda ain't putting in the crew someone stronger than sanji and zoro

accept the reality

[prisma idol]

Loki checks the list:

• Formally invited
• Sad Backstory
• Refused to join upon invite

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-loki-loki-one-piece-one-piece-loki-elbaf-gif-3735071961435527798

[cloud ember]

so then shes got a really good chance of becoming a strawhat at this point when they meet again idk what she would do on the crew tho lol

[untold latch]

exactly

[muted hedge]

what do you think it'll be? a giant rubber duck

[prisma idol]

So the only thing that needs to be solved is his size

[stray pulsar]

It’s fine to hope someone joins, just don’t expect it to happen.

[muted hedge]

knowing how inconsistent Oda is with size, Loki would probably shrink as soon as he joined

[shadow knoll]

vegapunk needs to create a doraemon gadget

[hot cairn]

yeah he was buggin, the most surprising thing is that many regulars here believed that LOL I was called crazy for saying it was Luffy's fruit

[untold latch]

if Oda goes down the norse mythology route like he kinda is, he will be able to shapeshift

[shadow knoll]

to make loki snLl

[hot cairn]

never forget

[pine scaffold]

Bro did this while weakened and heavily wounded 💔

insane

[stone tulip]

She is either gonna be an advisor (like vito) or she is informant/intelligence officer (like those two members from Roger pirates)

Although would be so funny if she actually ended up being first mate like some of you all suggested lmao.

[tidal ice]

if loki has a logia he can simply fly with the sunny on his back

[brittle basin]

post the truth (the poneglyph edit)

[cloud ember]

unless he just sets her up as the queen of Alabasta ig and does some sideplot with her like with the reverie

[untold latch]

it's not inconsistency it makes sense based on folklore.

[muted hedge]

to have varying sizes depening on the occassion?

or what do you mean with folklore

[stone tulip]

He only lacks proper role and actually dream to justify it I guess

[untold latch]

In norse mythology Loki can take on many forms

[tranquil blade]

I dont think this server could ever match the insanity it had during Wano again

[tidal ice]

my guess is his dream will tie in with harald's eos

[shadow knoll]

alright im going to bed
good night you unemployed bums

[muted hedge]

i suppose so, but i guess that's if his fruit allows for it

since so far we've not seen him alter his shape