I wonder what will they show in the thrill and agony video XD
#sports
native token
celest zephyr
@rapid umbra they postponed the Canelo fight
Until the Masvidal fight was over
I was actually so happy about it and surprised that they even came to an agreement
They let the arena watch the BMF fight before starting their own, so I just switched over
sweet tree
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celest zephyr
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proud coyote
That injury was brutal Christ...
dim ledge
Shocker, Hamilton with another F1WC
dim ledge
Crying
bitter rover
wow
what a card
happy for all the main event winners bouncing backs from losses except for masvidal
masvidal was a beast
i really want masvidal to punish colby now
and poor walker
corey deserves recognition
his fallout at the end was funny as hell haha
that new young guy at mw is a killer
celest zephyr
although I hate Kevin Lee, that come back was inspiring
proud coyote
Wow kovac beat emery
native token
Where's my father's visa 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVbJgwXPPSg
celest zephyr
exactly
subtle tartan
@dim ledge boii son is a idiot
it was his fault
he ended his season
fucking stupid korean
native token
Gotta love Johnny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt7FR4G7Avw
celest zephyr
a shame his hype train ended but he is still young
dim ledge
@subtle tartan no
rapid umbra
wasnt he getting cocky in the fight?
subtle tartan
@proud coyote you are clearly a clown if u think that son doesnt deserve a red card
dude litteraly slide him from behind
cuz he lost the ball
and this is the 2nd time
that son got a red card after he went crazy
sweet tree
the slide from behind is a yellow
gomes lost balance after son slid him and unfortunately collided with aurier who had already gone in for the tackle
it's a freak accident
not a red at all
proud coyote
You also called him a âfucking stupid koreanâ othmann...
Not saying youâre purely a troll for believing it was red
sweet tree
clearly loses his balance before the collision, but that challenge from son isn't a red
native token
Johnny The Eagle Nurmagomedov 
subtle tartan
oh
still, if the surgery went wrong and gomes could never play football again?
its still son his fault.
for being stupid
sweet tree
the surgery went well for him and that's all that really matters tbf
celest zephyr
I would be lying if I said I didn't for a moment hate the doc as well
bitter rover
Im pretty masvidal would just have kept up the beating anyway...
If colby wins against usman
Then colby vs masvidal is a huge fight to make
And huge for masvidal
Everyone will root for him lol
celest zephyr
I don't see colby getting past Usman
native token
tbh all the fun will stop when colby loses
anybody can win at any given night
just hoping for some miracle to happen
lol
proud coyote
Blazers lost... but the stadium was nice
native token
proud coyote
I mean we still scored 118 lol we just literally play no defense
Only one trying on D was anfernee simons
What do you even want me to say lol?
proud coyote
Think we need more than that at this point
proud coyote
Yes
celest zephyr
I hope you had fun
proud coyote
I didnât
celest zephyr
@native token Not going to listen to that clown anymore after that shit he said about one of the other recent cards
bitter rover
Brendan is such a clown, i dont get it how he got so big, who listens to him??
celest zephyr
He rode Joe's hype wave
native token
proud coyote
cejudo vs shevcheko 
celest zephyr
@bitter rover they both eye poke
but I think it would be more fitting for DC to take part in that fight 
frank wraith
Yup! 1 more assist for his 3rd trippel double in a row
Min, reb, assist, points
Looks like 6-1 đŞđ˝đŞđ˝
hidden rampart
Dang lebron is putting in a lot of work
frank wraith
Sure is, whole team doing amazing
native token
fiery veldt
celest zephyr
Interesting, never watched an episode before but will check it out especially with MB on it
celest zephyr
Israel should only fight Costa at this point
bitter rover
Yeah but he is out
For a while
If they could book romero vs cannonier this year, and the winner could make a quick turn around to fight in march that would be perfect
If gastelum or hermansson won their last fights they would be definitly be more of a worthy title challenger than romero
celest zephyr
Oh, I wasn't aware Costa was out for a while
if Israel is willing to fight someone before Costa or Jones, then Romero would def be an interesting matchup
proud coyote
rapid umbra
wtf was he thinking lol
celest zephyr
Nate Diaz is retiring?
native token
I haven't heard of anything like that
but he should anyways that's better for him he just loses 
sweet tree
bitter rover
Maybe
I think he would come back for a conor fight
But if it doesnt happen then yeah retirement probably
He just had a huge fight in ny, i dont think he can top that, so maybe its better to focus on something else
frank wraith
@proud coyote atleast they won xdd
celest zephyr
yeah, I mean I wouldn't mind a rematch
bitter rover
I think masivdal outclassed him, he has grown into a true welterweight, while diaz is still a lw imo, and his style of fighting fits him better lw imo
celest zephyr
maybe, but who would he fight?
I wouldn't mind watching him slug it out against iqauinta
celest zephyr
Yoel Romero vs Darren Till damn
Didnât even think about that match up but if Yoel doesnât use his wrestling this his advantage and just bangs it out, it will be interesting
bitter rover
Age gotta catch up to him sooner or later
I think Till will dance around him and win a decision
native token
celest zephyr
Oh I am going to check that out
Also, Yoel has no reason to fight
The guy is like 42 (supposedly)
Making him older then DC
And he just won $21 million dollars in a case
Making him one of the richest UFC fighters
He had 0 reason to fight Costa but he did it for the love of the game
I respect it but he should pack his bags
bitter rover
Oh nice
Yeah, but he probably never got that money
He is still so close to a title shot, so i guess he wont retire until that oppurtunity disappears
celest zephyr
I guess so
native token
lol these fines are a joke
https://www.mmafighting.com/2019/11/8/20955654/nysac-fines-kelvin-gastelum-rafael-cordeiro-and-corey-anderson-for-ufc-244-actions?fbclid=IwAR3bg4pzWod0fb94XTZ2OSsDznPBjXLUwoJhc06JNJP7N-ld5CLFiE6r0HM
dim ledge
@proud coyote gratz on mod but Im still #fuckcity
honest umbra
potential #1?
sweet tree
also liverpool vs city this weekend 
honest umbra
not as long as my boy lamelo ball is alive
no mala
dortmund vs bayern this weekend
sweet tree
lots of good ones ye
honest umbra
city dont even have ederson
sweet tree
mls cup final as well if you watch that
honest umbra
they'll have kyle walker in goal
native token
The Moscow card starts now
bitter rover
Yeah
Warching it
But very few names i recognize
Hopefully ill remember them after their fights
Ohh thats the russian rapper
He was on their last russia card
native token
Khabib's cousin (I guess) is fighting right now
lol he lost
It's so quiet in there XD
celest zephyr
yeah that was the only fight
I was interested in
during the preliminary card
its a shame he lost
bitter rover
Im interested in this one
Karl roberson is good
Fighting against young undefeated prospect
bitter rover
LOL
bitter rover
Tapmachine
celest zephyr
smh conor the fred
native token
lmao
says the guy who tapped 4 times in his career as fighter
all his losses were by way of submission
celest zephyr
someone is clearly obsessed with Khabib
native token
I missed it
it was perfectly done
the russian fighter fighting now is undefeated and from dagestan as well
the brazilian dude submitted Walker
another russian won
the russian escaped from that kimura
native token
a russian lost
bitter rover
Yeah
I wrote something about the fight but accidently in another channel cant find it
I like Herman
native token
one more fight until the comain event
bitter rover
This is a banger
Ive seen that russian before vs max griffin
Lots of spinnin stuff and aggressive
And dannys future is uncertain
He will have to win this to stay in ufc imo
Will be a standup war
Finally we re getting some good fights
native token
spinning stuff then it's exactly what we love to see
he still embarrasses himself đ¤Ś
bitter rover
Theres been too many clinches ar this card....
Or maybe im just spoiled from last week
bitter rover
Hahaha fucking steve segal
I want that pokemon game kishido
Pokemon Lets Go Volkov
native token
yea why not
native token
Segal is no longer recognisable
bitter rover
Only a select few fighters have fought 5 times a year in the ufc
Prince of war... what a donkey
even his walkout song sucks
bitter rover
Hardy is durable
native token
it's crazy but he's doing better than derrick pillow hands Lewis
he should be his next opponent if he wins this
give him the inhaler
bitter rover
Those kicks tho
Dayum
Verry impressive
Especially for such a tall guy
2.01 m
I thought he was taller
bitter rover
I got a feeling we will see an upset
Winner of this is next for title contender elimination fight imo
native token
Zabit should prove that he's for real the next big thing at FeatherWeight
I hope we see some spinning shit and then maybe a submission XD
bitter rover
Zabit is amazing
The two kings from dagestan, khabib the grappling king and Zabit the striking king
native token
yes, and there's the rising Islam grappling and good striking
Zabit = the featherweight wonderboy and Volkov the heavyweight one đ
holy shit Zabit's boxing
Zabit got this
bitter rover
Dayum
native token
but I don't like that cardio
bitter rover
Maybe kattar stole the last round
Yeah
He slows in the third one third
Same against jeremy
How will itll go with a 5 rounder with max?
native token
he looks like he's about to die
celest zephyr
Good fights
Zabit deserved the win
It was great to see Greg hardy get dealt with
bitter rover
Yeah
Have to say tho
He improved a lot
Hardy
Guess all the money he puts into his training is working
burnt cedar
Imo if the main event is 5 rounds Kattar wins
Would like a rematch in the future
Maybe with title implications
I think max kills Zabit in 5 rounds
celest zephyr
Zabit has a tremendous sambo background
Thatâs why I wonât count him out against Max even with Maxâs great takedown defence
bitter rover
No offense against sambo guys, but it felt like every russian on this card was a sambo world champion and most of them get beaten anyway
patent citrus
Someone should draw Big Mom dressef as Endive from Chowder
burnt cedar
I do think zabits grappling is his strongest skill
But the more he uses it the more it will affect his cardio
Which is a big issue when fighting a guy like max
celest zephyr
That is true
Zabit was gassed in his last fight too
Thatâs what makes Khabib superior to the rest of the sambo champions
frank wraith
Who else is watching this shit show jake Paul vs ksi ? 
proud coyote
who's winning?
frank wraith
Itâs like 9.99 $ , dirt cheep
proud coyote
I'm not paying 10 bucks for it lol
frank wraith
I can find that on the streets, itâs nothing but I think they fight much later
1st match just finished Tko
Devin Haney vs Alfredo Santiago is what I got my eyes on
honest umbra
Kobe
frank wraith
he should be in the top 10 easily
that list was the biggest joke i have ever witnessed
currry was number 10
i mean come on.... kill me already
gusty kayak
What are your thoughts fellas?
Seems rough but it could just be won by throwing your opponent out of the arena
celest zephyr
KSI vs Logan Paul
two youtubers were able to body a wbc lightweight fight to co-main
and it is a pro debut..
frank wraith
Itâs starting now
celest zephyr
hmm need a stream
celest zephyr
rip
frank wraith
And my browser wonât load
frank wraith
Got my money on Logan not confident either
celest zephyr
I am not invested too much into the boxing event, just hope it is a good show
it has been a rough era for boxing
frank wraith
I like when stuff is different
Not the norm
This is totally out of the ordinary
Rick Ross is currently rapping
And is actually killing it xdddd
celest zephyr
rick ross is at this event
frank wraith
LOOOL ksi looks like a ninja turtle
Iâm thinking Logan is not taking this serious enough thatâs why Iâm not confident
He was making jokes in the lockeroom waiting for his turn while ksi was dead set
celest zephyr
I guess all we can do is just wait for the fight to start now
celest zephyr
I think Logan might have lost, just realized Shannon Briggs is in his corner
one of the biggest boxing bums
but def a comedian
frank wraith
I think Logan lost also
2 points deducted
After he knocked ksi down
But it was decently close commentators are not sure
Logan lost by 1 point
Split decision
celest zephyr
he should have only had one point detuced
frank wraith
Yeah
True
So that would have made it another tie?? Lol
Major class by KSI
That moment they squashed the beef in the ring was awesome ! And i donât even like these guys like that
frank wraith
Best moment imo xdddd
And it had nothing to do with the fight
Gentlemen sport
Respect ! âđź
native token
looks like mr mctapper deleted his tweets
the youtube comment section never disappoints
rapid umbra
yea i dont know what he was thinking lol
honest umbra
did ksi have sidemen on his side
frank wraith
Sidemen?
celest zephyr
hidden rampart
isnt ksi technically 1-1?
celest zephyr
pro records and am records are separated
celest zephyr
guess not
hidden rampart
rapid umbra
dude
what
if
ksi vs mcgregor
i bet mcgregor would if the money is right and it would be perfect for him because ksi is a hype machine also and they could play off each other
bitter rover
I think even conor himself would know that is going to low lol
rapid umbra
yea but have you seen his behavior lately? lol
rapid umbra
yea and paid
honest umbra
is it over? @proud coyote
honest umbra
kittle best te
celest zephyr
I am sorry but KSI is going to get treated like a punch bag
in a ring against Conor
regardless of how much I hate him
the difference between a pro athlete and someone who has trained for a couple of months is too huge.
proud coyote
kms
honest umbra
yea to see ksi be exposed in 3 secs
rapid umbra
lol i dont think he has a lot of credentials anyways
people just watched for the entertainment
native token
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/612186177038057475.png?v=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru1wbZgLE9U
celest zephyr
I was also interested in the co main
The winner of that fight most likely fights Canelo next
Pretty sure the WBC lightweight champion was on the card too but I am not too invested in that division
hidden rampart
bitter rover
Adesanya at rogans
bitter rover
Yeah
He has been on a media run this week
Just bothers me that he keeps mentioning the same things again and again lol
celest zephyr
ksi and mcgregor aren't in the same weight class.
rapid umbra
lol what
fighters have crossed over plenty of times before
nate diaz and ksi are the same height
for millions of dollars i bet ksi would drain his body and mcgregor would do what he need to meet him somewhere
but there probably would be some difficulty discussing what weight it would be at
i'm not saying it's gonna happen
celest zephyr
nate diaz fights at welterweight so it shouldn't be a problem fighting ksi at cruiserweight
but
why is this even a discussion?
rapid umbra
people were saying the same about mcgregor vs mayweather
the boxing skill difference between those 2 is far greater than what it is between mcgregor and ksi
but i dont think its gonna happen lol it would just be funny to watch
celest zephyr
Even though the match up was ridiculous it had far more meaning then KSI and Diaz
forest mason
McGregor was still a pro
Ksi can't box for shit lol. His technique was horrendous. Logan looked way better. Him vs cm punk actually sounds interesting since he has a decent wrestling background
rapid umbra
none of that shit matters if they're paid
mcgregor cant box for shit compared to floyd either lol
they were name dropping cm punk tho
i think he fits more into their category
it will be interesting to see what happens
or entertaining*
one thing i will say also about mcgregor vs floyd was that i think mcgregor coming in as a major underdog with a lot of confidence trying to dethrone one of the greatest produced a lot of anticipation
with ksi vs mcgregor it's not the same
there isn't as much background to it
at least not right now
if ksi tries to take his career somewhere and get a little more hype behind him then maybe one day
i think cm punk vs ksi would probably be next best thing at this point lol
celest zephyr
KSI should stay in the youtube realm tbh
I mean yeah the CM Punk matchup would also be interesting
bitter rover
Cm punk is the worst fighter ive ever seen in a professional fight
Both ksi and logan would take him in mma
Maybe not in a pure grappling fight tho
Almost any average guy or even beginner at a martial artist gym could take him on and win or be competitive lol
celest zephyr
the worst part is
he was paid 30x
what actual pro fighters were paid on the same card
forest mason
It's making them millions either way
Cm punk I can't tell tbh, man lasted 2 secs vs a legit fighter
bitter rover
Yeah
And some people come with that bullshit excuse
âIt takes ball to do what he didâ
Really?
I would pay 1k to to get a fight in ufc lol just give me a year to prepare
burnt cedar
Have you guys seen the video of the guy from buzzfeed who did it
Was really interesting to see how he prepared for it
proud coyote
that's pretty funny
native token
bitter rover
proud coyote
lmao
honest umbra
Knicks front office told people they were âturned offâ by an Anthony Davis trade because dealing multiple firsts and young players would âundercut their long-range plan,â per Brian Windhorst
thoughts @dry surge ?
proud coyote
"long range plan" lol
they would have gotten KD
can't be thinking about a long range plan if you've been that bad for that long
in NY
dry surge
disagree
honestly
the only reason they've been screwed in the first place is because they've hemorrhaged draft picks and young players to trade for the big stars, and it didn't yield anything
patience is key
proud coyote
it's just an oppourtunity like this doesn't present itself often
honest umbra
i agree jeff, its not a good idea. if you asked the lakers 3-4 years ago, they would have given the same answer
dry surge
and wasn't guaranteed to sign just because they had cap space
honest umbra
but relying on young players hasnt yielded any great results
we had 3 number 2 picks 3 years in a row
and lakers under mitch drafted well (we picked kuzma, zubac, clarkson, hart) late
and yet produced no more than 30 wins seasons
dry surge
you don't rely on young players to win games, you rely on them to grow together and win games in 3-4 years
no one expects a bunch of college players and a few vets to win you games
honest umbra
in theory, truth. but the nba has become a team of superstar duos
could you see any players you currently have competing with those duos in said 3-4 years?
dry surge
most of which, grew up in their respective systems
honest umbra
i think following the warriors formula is not bad but the warriors also hit a lottery
dry surge
steph + klay, wiggins + kat, booker + ayton, murray + jokic, etc.
most of the better teams all have cores that were constructed several years ago in the draft and were bad for a few years before reaching their potential
honest umbra
wiggins + kat have been together for almost 6 years and been to the playoffs once
dry surge
kat has always been pretty good, but wiggins has only grew into his own this season
honest umbra
and that was with another superstar
honest umbra
yes but I would assume two number 1 picks could get me to the playoffs more than once
dry surge
no matter what path you take to build a team, it's all just a big gamble
dry surge
it has not been 6 years with kat and wiggins
honest umbra
lets not forget KAT averaged like less than 15 pts in their only playoff series
and got outscored by derrick rose
dry surge
not sure where you're going with this
honest umbra
AD is probably a generational player as well and was paired with jrue holiday
dry surge
they're in a good position now
honest umbra
its 10 games into the season
dry surge
i'm saying the only thing i've been saying
honest umbra
they're in a nice position to maybe do well
but they wont be in the playoff mix 82 games in
dry surge
?
honest umbra
they wont be in the playoffs 82 games in lol
dry surge
you're saying that based on
?
you don't have much to go on
as i was saying
i'm saying the only thing i've been saying
no matter what path you take to build a team, it's all just a big gamble
proud coyote
For one, I do think an Anthony davis move would have been enough for the knicks to grab KD. He clearly had an interest in playing there and signed with the nets because they believed they had presented him with a better situation to win with. The thing that concerns me about the situation is AD's interest. Would he really care to play this first year at all?
honest umbra
i'd say following the last few years criteria over a 10 game period is a better thing to go on
well back to my original position
dry surge
you're honestly saying that considering andrew wiggins improvement?
he was a non factor every season
i honestly don't know why you're having me focus on the timbs
that's just one situation
honest umbra
i can focus on booker/ayton if you prefer
honest umbra
you're the only knicks fan i know lol
dry surge
that's honestly only tangentially related to the conversation you diverted to instead of the original argument
we were discussing long term/short term plans in the frame of impact signings
honest umbra
anyways you can respond whenever but my point was that knicks have been trying to build for the long term for a long time post the 13-14 season where they did well. they can continue to rely on the next step for 3-4 years but at some point beyond front office mediocrity, i think they should gamble on bigger free agents which would be able to attract other free agents as well
dry surge
well that's inherently wrong
they haven't been building for long term for a long time
probably 3 years now
before that they've been shooting for free agents all the time
and missing
LBJ, Amare, then trading for Melo, not attracting any more marquee free agents after that
their last good year wasn't 13-14
it was 12-13
after that, they still couldn't land good free agents, and instead had their payroll tied up with trades they made to improve in-season
honest umbra
and when the one superstar they did have, they traded for some suspect return back. albeit he has had a poor start with the mavs but I think he would have been able to bring more value in attracting other stars than a few starting year contracts
dry surge
it's one of those situations where if you don't know the history of the team, and all of the absolute failures of free agent signings they've had, and big blockbuster trade failures they've had, you shouldn't speak on it lol
again, idk why non-knicks fans have trouble understanding this
KP didn't want to stay
he requested a trade
proud coyote
they didnt give his brother a front office position
dry surge
i dont' like the front office, but it's a good honor-move to grant a trade request especially from your star player
proud coyote
so he left
honest umbra
i think saying 'you shouldn't speak on it' because it's not your team also isn't a good idea
dry surge
not just that it's not your team
honest umbra
i understand that I don't have all the knowledge but I still would love to have a discussion
dry surge
well if you don't have that knowledge then maybe ask for precedence instead of assuming that their timeline matches a timeline you're familiar with
honest umbra
I was 1 year off lol
plus my team was not in a too much dissimilar situation a few years ago, I also argued the value of now vs later
dry surge
timeline, not meaning just the 12-13 / 13-14 difference, timeline meaning how they should go for big free agents instead of tanking
their only window to go after big free agents was this past summer
and considering how the season has played out, its clear there isn't a good structure and although they have flexibility to go after more free agents in the future, i don't think it'd be a good idea to tie big money into your payroll without having a prudent understanding of the coaching infrastructure
yes you can sign all the big names you want at the biggest dollar values, but that has NOT worked out for the knicks in the past, and they got clowned for even trying to do so
point is, as long as you're aware of the signings they've made in the past and how they've failed, you should understand the reluctance.
honest umbra
yea setting some kind of system or culture is important. if you know you arent going to get any marquee players, you should sign 1 year deals so that you arent stuck in some payroll dilemma if things do end up working out in the future. And I know that playing in a big market isnt as attractive as it used to be with social media being such a factor, i still geninuely believe playing in NY has its own little nudge to it. In which case I feel if they did have the option to go on to pursue AD, they should have. Perhaps LA or BOS would have had the better team offers but it would have been a far safer bet than the previous few years acquisitions
proud coyote
I mean, I don't think the knicks offseason was bad at all
proud coyote
They signed a bunch of two years deals in preparation for 2021
dry surge
i will reiterate for the 3rd time
no matter what path you take to build a team, it's all just a big gamble
yes you can trade for AD
hemorrhage some draft picks and some of your young players, and you get AD on your team, cool. How do you know KD wants to play with AD? It was expressed by KD that he wanted to play with Kyrie, and that wherever they ended up, they would be together
proud coyote
personally I just think it'd be safer to gamble on these marquee guys with the huge free agency coming up. but as you said that's an outsider take that doesn't take team history into account
and yeah, the dynamic
dry surge
So then you'd only have AD for one year, with minimal space to flesh out the rest of the roster on an infrastructure that isn't strong, coaching-wise. How do you know you'll do well the season? Will AD resign if you don't do well? What if he doesn't resign even if you do do well because he got swayed by another team/partnership witha nother player?
then you've lost your 1 year rental of AD and you've lost all of the young talent and picks you've given up
and then you have no future draft picks to lean on, cap space that no marquee free agent wants to sign with because of how piss poor the team is
what do you do then?
you're going to have to rebuild from scratch
but wait, you've lost all your draft picks in the trade
this has happened in 3-4 year cycles for the past 2 decades in an undulating fashion
so you can understand from my perspective how silly that sounds
what's the definition of insanity?
honest umbra
i think if you're going by this "no matter what path you take to build a team, it's all just a big gamble" then the same goes for waiting for the young to flesh because that requires uber patience. and I feel like a team in NY under consistent media scrutiny isnt allowed that same patience as another team in say PHX would. and with that come constant front office/staff changes which could consistently inherently change the mentality of the team from "later" to "now" in order to take some of that scrutiny away. and let me just say that AD is a generational talent different from probably everyone pursued with the exception of LBJ/AD and could have been end up worth the gamble. kawhi won a chip, PG stayed for another year with OKC, etc etc
proud coyote
if were going to equate it to gambling, it's similar to roulette. You're either putting all your chips on a color or putting a miniscule amount on a few different numbers every roll. Chances you lose it all are similar, but more than ever before the NBA is lacking any parity
honest umbra
bro juba I thought u were typing an essay lmao
proud coyote
I've been tabbing in and out lol
working on an essay
and just typing like a word or two
honest umbra
i like to study nets as a case from "failed super team" to "making playoffs" to "trading for 2 superstars" because it honestly prob shouldnt have happened. like jeff said, they savaged all their draft picks
sometimes the gamble is just about getting lucky like with drafting harris/levert, finding dwinddie in g league, dangelo/brook on a hi/lo with the lakers
proud coyote
Teams with pull like the knicks have the ability to make these giant plays because of the environment they're in... I just think that delaying it another two years is just hedging bets on if the rookies will develop or not
yep
I can still see where jeff is coming from though
they've done this since ewing retired
honest umbra
are you at all following the astros scandal, juba?
proud coyote
yep
honest umbra
or are you not much of a baseball guy?
proud coyote
makes me very happy
honest umbra
oh, this is so interesting
proud coyote
I'm a sf giants fan
dry surge
think if you're going by this "no matter what path you take to build a team, it's all just a big gamble" then the same goes for waiting for the young to flesh because that requires uber patience
that's exactly what i'm saying
honest umbra
it makes me happy since they faced us in the 2017 world series
dry surge
only, one method is more viable considering the position the team is in
they're more likely to build a winner through the draft because they frequently get high draft picks
they're not likely to build a winner through FA because FA don't like the ownership
honest umbra
didnt they change the nba draft where the chances have regressed a lot though?
like I remember last years draft being a hot topic
dry surge
yes, still a lot easier to build through the draft than a get-rich-quick via FA
dry surge
and even still, outside of actually choosing draft picks
you can use draft picks as assets to make a trade down the line if the opportunity arises
it's currency
honest umbra
could they have possibly went after KD (after swaying, he says yes) and waited for him to come back from injury while building a team around him
i know kyrie thing is a factor too
dry surge
KD was going where Kyrie was going, and Kyrie was going to the Nets
thats the end of the story
he wasn't considering anywhere Kyrie wasn't considering
and Kyrie was only considering the Nets
honest umbra
i guess the lakers drafting ingram, hart, ball and the lucky 4th pick were in themselves a currency for getting AD when the time was right
dry surge
and the thing with that trade, was that the Lakers already had Lebron there so you know the team will be competitive even IF ad says no to resigning after the one year
and the team will have pull since LBJ + Lakers Brand is strong in FA
The Knicks don't have the luxury of having an LBJ on their team, nor do they have a respectable brand name
yes they are a big franchise in a big market, but there's nothing but negativity clouding the team all the time
honest umbra
honestly LBJ coming was here was also just a luck thing, he did it for other endeavors
but its worked out for us so I like having that luxury
dry surge
then that's not luck
honest umbra
oops luck is the wrong word
fortunate i suppose
also I'm all for it as long as they can keep the same front office/culture/mentality throughout those few years, jeff
and I feel like sometime that's hard because there is so much negativity clouding the team
though if that means getting rid of fizdale for reasons you said in VC other day, then they should but for someone they believe can carefully lead the operation
dry surge
good, my top 3 hated teams are all under investigation
proud coyote
wonderful :) only the dodgers are missing
honest umbra
itd be funny if we were being investigated becuz we're the team they used it against in 2017
we're as shady as any other team but we dont use technology to do it (at least i think)
proud coyote
I don't actually think you guys cheat but I'd love for them to investigate teams with recent success
honest umbra
bro
i have such a soft spot for melo
i really hope he does well
but yall got shooters lmao
hidden rampart
Cool melo is back
honest umbra
apparently whatever happens, knicks own the mavs now @dry surge
dry surge
was hezonja that bad for you guys?
@proud coyote
he was pretty productive on the knicks
proud coyote
he was really bad
stupid turnovers
stupid fouls
I thought he'd be way better with the spacing we provide
dry surge
i can see the fouls being an issue, but are they running the offense through him or?
proud coyote
no like
he'd get the ball
just on a cut
and drop it
he was also shooting horribly
dry surge
dang
yeah when his shot isn't falling it kinda cascades for the rest of his game
can't drive to penetrate
he's usually a good passer as well
honest umbra
was it lebron he blocked a few years ago on the knicks
proud coyote
yep
dry surge
anyways i feel rick carlisle knows absolutely nothing about how to maixmize his rotation
it was last year
proud coyote
second longest tenured coach as well
honest umbra
i thought he was one of the better coaches
dry surge
well he's had dirk on his team for the longest time
dry surge
his rotations just make zero sense
honest umbra
maybe he came alive against the lakers
dry surge
he had porzingis in at the 4 while julius was playing the 5
honest umbra
i thought the opposite, he was playing the right rotations
dry surge
i was thinking the knicks lost for sure if he put kp at the 5
dry surge
never happened
proud coyote
dwight powell
dry surge
he loves playing kp at the 4 and powell at the 5
honest umbra
bruh
dry surge
or vice versa
honest umbra
???
proud coyote
he's got boban as well
dry surge
absolutely no spacing
dry surge
he can't space the floor
also he doesn't play seth curry enough
he's one of your best value players and he gets almost no run
dry surge
he uses another dude as the backup PG
not seth
i don't remember his name
pretty nonsensical
proud coyote
delon?
proud coyote
weird
dry surge
i think 6 minutes left
luka and kp played almost the entire 3rd quarter
which is why they got a long rest
honest umbra
oh that makes sense then
vogel's been running lebron-ad then only ad then only lebron till the 3rd (if they're down or close) where they both play together
honest umbra
when vogel puts in mcgee-howard
or bradley-caruso
he does well
walton might be a decent coach but he does not know rotations man
lol
proud coyote
bradley caruso is deadly
dry surge
KP didn't play center a single time during the game
dry surge
in a game where mitchell robinson fouled out early
honest umbra
lmaooooo
dry surge
luka also only took 2 shots in the 4th quarter
honest umbra
they apparently tied it with 30+ secs left with a seth curry putback
which is funny in of itself'
dry surge
yeah no one boxed him out
dry surge
it was frank's man to box out, and that was his mistake but he played game changing defense the whole game
could've had an even bigger impact if refs didn't call him for ticky tack fouls earlier in the game
honest umbra
who played well for the knicks doe
dry surge
frank, morris, DSJ
honest umbra
thats good, two youngsters in there
proud coyote
mitch played well yeah?
dry surge
morris hit the game winner and DSJ was actually able to penetrate well tonight for the first time
yeah but he fouled out super early
proud coyote
chasing blocks? or just unlucky
honest umbra
im really excited about melo and im glad he went to one of our teams, juba
i think he might already be game ready
dry surge
late on defensive rotations and getting overpowered by boban
honest umbra
i'd just tamper your expectations but man, i wanna see him pop off
proud coyote
my expectations
dry surge
he'll be good in spurts
proud coyote
cannot be more tempered lol
dry surge
you don't want to rely on him
dry surge
he'll be the biggest defensive hole you've seen
honest umbra
damian and cj
proud coyote
uhh jeff
honest umbra
oh yea hes a huge liability on defense
dry surge
he's as bad as it gets
honest umbra
though I always feel bad for isiah thomas too
dry surge
not boxing out, slow feet
dry surge
let him operate out of horns at the top of the key
honest umbra
you have a good coach
proud coyote
run into him every play
honest umbra
but im just surprised
proud coyote
yeah terry is good
honest umbra
i feel the west was more open this year
yet yall were 4th when it wasnt
these losses to the kings-warriors hurt
honest umbra
how u gonna heckle someone with 2 wins
proud coyote
idek
honest umbra
lakers play thunder twice this week back to back
i have literally heard 0 things about their szn lol
proud coyote
they've been okay
their roster isn't that bad but nothing special
shai gilgeous alexander is good
honest umbra
they havent had 1 impressive win
their closest it seems was a 2 pt defeat to the bucks
and they got the 6ers, clips, lakers x2, blazers next 5 games
honest umbra
yea i dont think adams can contain ad
especially if ad goes further from basket
shai's good though
honest umbra
oh wait
gallinari got sent too
lmaoooo completely forgot about him
he had a decent year last year too
proud coyote
yeah gallo was good for the clips
not really sure how he's done this year
but he'd still be an upgrade
proud coyote
wtf.
barren kestrel
honest umbra
Why
celest zephyr
hmm
honest umbra
U think the celtics good or the record a fluke? @proud coyote
celest zephyr
They always start the season on a strong note.
I myself won't take it seriously until midway into the season
celest zephyr
if they manage to keep the team together, they will definitely be contenders in a couple of seasons
proud coyote
agreed, but their young players aren't there yet imo
celest zephyr
yeah but they have definitely shown the potential
celest zephyr
yeah, that 1/18 night was awful
he had a pretty mediocre 2nd season and in my opinion played far better in his rookie season
frank wraith
Lakers with the win
AD clutch defense
Closed the game out
Thank god lebron hit those 2 free throws.
I think he was 8/8 or 7/7 at the line.
10-2, beat record in the west!
frank wraith
Wtf
proud coyote
I think I caught it before they updated
frank wraith
Yeah you probably did.
hidden rampart
celest zephyr
Celtics almost lost to the Warriors, 
celest zephyr
Venait
native token
I have feeling Jacare will win tonight and be another successful story unlike Luke and Weidman
celest zephyr
he has had his ups and downs
honest umbra
goin to the rams-ravens game next monday @proud coyote @rustic mountain
get to see the superman aaron donald vs superman qb lamar jackson
proud coyote
Dope, seeing Lamar Jackson in person is something I wanna do as well
celest zephyr
Looks like Jacare failed to be a successful story 
native token
Well at least he didn't get Koed
on the bright side ma boi Charles Oliveira still doing work
how the fuck is the UFC still not giving him top 10 fighters yet?
he's on a 6 fight winning streak, all finishes
( 4 sub and 2 KO/TKO) 3 in first round and 3 in second round.
that's fuking impressive
he's so underappreciated
celest zephyr
Yup, I unfortunately missed todayâs card aside from the main event
Wow, the clippers are a problem
celest zephyr
I guess, I am looking forward to watching PG and Kawhi on the court
proud coyote
yeah they'll be really terrifying to face
celest zephyr
I have them winning it over Lakers
celest zephyr
Yeah for sure, I wasnât even considering an east team as a threat
