#western-series

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stuck vector
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i thought it was on season 10 LMAO

dim hedge
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must have a cult following

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only thing that could explain why it has been airing for so long..

stuck vector
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i used to be a spn fan

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but that was back in 2013, whenever i see hardcore fans in the year 2019 i get shocked

neon coral
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its because its managed to stay a fun mix of action/comedy/horror over the years and build a decent universe around it.

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Didn't completely destroy itself like most CW shows have

spring patrol
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yea the guy who plays lucifier does a good job

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underrated imo but i havent really heard anyone see anything negative about him. havent heard anyone really talk about the show a whole lot either lol but it is worth watching

dim hedge
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I am just tired of two humans constantly winning to beings that can turn them into ash with just a snap of a finger

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Seriously Just kill them

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Stop the monologue and slit their throats

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Dont bother gloating . JUST KILL

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The show is just two guys asspulling their way through cause protagnists. Killing cosmic beings is like opening a can of pickles

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I just find the show really just revolving around two guys so much like some circle jerk

spring patrol
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you talking about lucifier?

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i like circle jerks.

neon coral
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I think he was talking about Supernatural.

stuck vector
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the guy who plays lucifer is tom ellis and i admit he really plays the role well

spring patrol
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oh i never watched supernatural back in the day but my friend loved it

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they're still making episodes??

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lol

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@stuck vector yea he does

dim hedge
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They are going to kill God

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By some miracle

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Cause lucifer's son is soul less

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Come on easiest solution: God give his soul back

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Oh wait Souls are a complicated topic

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That even God cant do anything so it kill

stuck vector
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pls tell me ur talking about spn

dim hedge
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Jack

copper phoenix
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supernatural was pretty good when it was mostly "monster of the week" style

dim hedge
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Sam Dean And their sidekick Castiel

copper phoenix
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it was refreshing and fun

dim hedge
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It more of what else for them to kill

stuck vector
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i dropped supernatural around whatever season it was where sam lost his soul and dean goes into purgatory

copper phoenix
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I dropped around season 4 or 5

dim hedge
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Like it getting old. They win every time

copper phoenix
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the first few seasons are lit tho, I'll probably rewatch at some point

dim hedge
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It quite insulting for them to show Pagan Gods as human eating monsters

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Leviathans look more like Lampreys

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God was so bored. He created cosmic Lampreys

regal root
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Show was only meant to go 5 seasons, gotta say I'd probably have been fine if it did. The cliffhanger would've been painful but tolerable

dim hedge
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God was such a lousy caretaker

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Angels near extinction

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God:would be nice if Heaven crash down on Earth then I can move on to the Next Earth

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He make many different Earths but program the Angels the same way all the time

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Instigate the same thing Sam and Dean solution over and over again

dim hedge
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Odd

dim hedge
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Have anyone seen a man plant a apple tree over and over again hoping for an orange

dim hedge
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Or seen a man make house out of straw over and over again hoping it become house of bricks

dim hedge
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Why did you post some deep ass shit?

neon coral
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Because he secretly hates himself for still watching Supernatural while feeling this way about it. lol

dim hedge
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Yeah I only watch sneak bits

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Just watching it to wait for that moment that they fail

dim hedge
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What a shame

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This is how I feel watching arrow, flash and legends of tomorrow

neon coral
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Watching those shows to me is like looking up at a porn video after I'm finished being innapropriate with myself. Same disgusting feeling.

dim hedge
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😂

pale tapir
dim hedge
mint kiln
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Duke Caboom is already the best character

sage sleet
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Fuck toy story

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This movie is a cash grab

mint kiln
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smh

sage sleet
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Just don't become the next ice age

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Also I hear brightburn is straight up fucked up

broken fossil
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is it out already

sage sleet
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Don't think so

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That glass scene was an automatic no for me

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I'm hearing Aladdin is great tho

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Early screenings

mint kiln
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I'll probably still prefer the animated version

sage sleet
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For sure

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I think the live movie is gonna be a fun time but won't compare

neon coral
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who "bursts into applause" during a movie lol

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5 times at that

sage sleet
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People that get invited to see it early probably

mint kiln
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smh

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hypefags

dim hedge
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KataLUL Prince Ali blah blah blah

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The song is catchy but full of lies about Aladdin

mint kiln
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uh

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thats the entire point of the song

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how the hell did you miss that

neon coral
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If it does poorly, it'll suddenly do great at the foreign box office, as is Disney tradition.

sage sleet
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When does lion king come out

mint kiln
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19 July

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supposedly

sage sleet
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Not really looking forward to any of them besides maybe aladdin

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Heard mulan has a massive budget

mint kiln
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CGI Stitch is gonna be the stuff of nightmares

sage sleet
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Gonna be some detective pikachu looks

mint kiln
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Detective Pikachu looks great

neon coral
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at least lion king is all cgi. Aladdin is clean ass clothes, pretty people, Will Smith playing Will Smith. Just kinda lost what made it what it was.

mint kiln
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Will Smith playing Will Smith

sage sleet
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I just wanna see all these movies back on the big screen

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Disney got the money and we all know it

mint kiln
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I should see the Alaadin movie again sometime

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the animated one

neon coral
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the forty thieves one was great

sage sleet
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There were like 3 lol

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And a series

mint kiln
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oh yeah

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i should rewatch all 3*

sage sleet
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I need to rewatch princess and the frog

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I had such high hopes for it as a kid but it fell flat for me

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Maybe I was a dumb kid

mint kiln
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probably

sage sleet
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Brave still the worst animated movie I've ever seen

scenic terrace
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bad pasto

stuck vector
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omggg gonna see endgame for the third time again 🤩🤩

dim hedge
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It the end for your wallet

knotty fox
stuck vector
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ITS UGLY

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it looks so photoshopped

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and WHERE is NED

mint kiln
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he swallowed his tongue

knotty fox
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Fury warned Pete

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And look what happened

neon coral
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Ragnarok & Antman 2

mint kiln
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Ragnarok and Captain Marvel look cool

scenic terrace
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GotG and Dr. Strange

sonic quail
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None

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Not a fan of these ensemble posters wish people were more attracted to other types so they didnt need the feel to do this kind

fluid merlin
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Avengers, guardians if the galaxy and ragnarok

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Spiderman homecomings poster is pretty bad too

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Thor, civil war and antman and the wasp pretty cool too

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I take that back about the thor poster, its just nostalgia spooking

stuck vector
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ragnarok, gotg2, infinity war

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THIS IS SO BAD

neon coral
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is his suit black and red now?

sonic quail
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Ok miles morales

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Seems pretty plain tho

mint kiln
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You guys aren't thinking deep enough

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His suit is black and red, which as Albair here said, is the color of Miles Morales' suit

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Which can only mean one thing

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Spider-verse cameo confirmation

sonic quail
neon coral
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it does have the multiverse in it

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that'd be a cool twist

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Have Donald Glover show up as Miles Morales.

copper phoenix
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jaden smith*

neon coral
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Why would anyone want him in their movies? Everything he's associated with sucks.

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Just have Donald Glover and have Miles be older than this Peter. It's Disney. They've one worse changes than that.

calm sun
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That would suck

neon coral
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The only movie he was good in was Pursuit of happyness and that's because he was 8 years old.

calm sun
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Why does miles have to be older then Peter

mint kiln
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Aren't they supposed to be the same age?

neon coral
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Why not? Don't need two awkward "I've just hit puberty" spidermen running around. Need a more mature one to balance out the other.

calm sun
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Wait until Peter is older then cast a young miles

neon coral
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They could still cast a Young Miles down the road. Nothing wrong with having a grown version of him in an upcoming movie. Or any older spiderman really.

sonic quail
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Donald glover is actually miles uncle in that universe

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Donald Glover might play Prowler

calm sun
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Wait doesn't he already play someone in the mcu

tribal tundra
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Ye

sonic quail
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Yea

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Miles’ uncle

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Hes in homecoming

calm sun
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Wait miles is in the mcu

tribal tundra
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I dont think he is his uncle in the mcu

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Just a random thug from the neighborhood

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Afaik

calm sun
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I'm lost

stuck vector
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i think miles’ uncle is possibly in the mcu, he was in homecoming

tribal tundra
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I thought we were talking about donald glover

sonic quail
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Yes thats who donald plays

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Aaron Davis

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Miles’ uncle

neon coral
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oh. I thought he was just a random character cameo. Id be fine with him as prowler, especially if he's done as well as he was in spiderverse.

sage sleet
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didn't his file say prowler

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I can't remember

sonic quail
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Well hes definitly miles uncle but idk if theyll have him he prowler as well

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He even says he has a nephew in the movie as a lil easter egg

sage sleet
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yeah you're right

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friend told a tall tale

knotty fox
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It wasn't stated as Prowler

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Just Aaron Davis

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He even called Miles in Homecoming

jolly flint
neon coral
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hype/marketing. They're really just high budget hallmark films. Even the acting skills required are roughly the same.

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they're fun for fans. Then somebody figured out "What if we make everybody a fan?" and now here we are. Some are better than others, but its the same recycled formula for the most part.

jolly flint
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I said that mainly for bait tbh

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I've only seen like two

neon coral
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My opinion still applies. But i'll keep that in mind and not pay attention to whatever else you type from now on. thanks for the heads up.

jolly flint
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Hey :/

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I have valid opinions

neon coral
jolly flint
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lul

signal nova
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Stormlight archive, anyone?

copper phoenix
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me, I just started book 2

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I fucking love brandon sanderson, I'm glad he is improving a lot

sonic quail
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Rebel lmao

knotty fox
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Imo each MCU movie have a different experience to offer. As for CM I have no idea about that one. It's the only one I haven't seen.

paper swallow
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anyone tried euphoria?

fluid merlin
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Jude law was pretty good in captain marvel

warped drift
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star wars fans who were disappointed by this season , how do u feel about the next episode?

dim hedge
tribal tundra
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The thing tho is that he is 70 years old

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And hes getting involved in more and more shit

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And the last book would take him longer regardless

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So if he releases winds of winter at 71, i would give him like 15 years for the last book

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86?

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Idk average life spawn is like 75 in north america i think, but hes rich so that could increase a lot

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Also past 80 we cant be sure if he will still have that level of creativity

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Tho he most likely already has a rough draft of how it would end

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Idk man, seems like a 50/50 chance to me

sonic quail
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Hes that old?!

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God damn

dim hedge
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he's old n fat

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like me

neon coral
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Yeah, have you seen him? He's probably not writing the book because he's been waiting on a heart attack for the last few years. lol

calm sun
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I swear a day before the 2020 thing he said he wouldn't give a deadline

signal nova
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@copper phoenix ryt? Book 2 huh? I love it. Shallan is best girl frfr

regal root
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8 years and counting for Winds NoChapter

mighty mist
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I just found out that Empire isn't the only show FOX is cancelling. Star's also on the chopping block.

regal root
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Lee Daniels holding 2 Ls like his name this year dabji

mint kiln
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I've been watching Coco again and I forgot how good this movie was

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"(popular musician) was everything a musician was and he died by a bell falling on him"
"I want to be just like him"

mighty mist
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It later turns out that ||said-musician is nothing but a murderer.||

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@regal root sighs Pretty much. 😦

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||And they ended season three of Star on such a cliffhanger, too. :(||

mint kiln
mighty mist
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Right!?

regal root
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I heard it's had bad ratings from the start so I'm surprised it's lasted 3 seasons to be honest

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Empire obviously had to go because people are still pissed at Jussie Smollett, as they should be because he's the worst kind of asshole

mighty mist
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No shit. XC

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Though, I don't see why they can't get someone else to play Jamal Lyon.

regal root
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Then you'd get the whiny fans of Jussie screeching and whatnot, just wasn't worth it

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It's had 6 seasons, decent enough run

mighty mist
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Sigh. Fine.

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Though, if it were me, I'd tell all of the whiny fans to fuck off.

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Jussie should've gone to jail for what he did, and that bitch, Kim Foxx, should be disbarred.

regal root
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Hence why you're not a head of a TV company XD

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I agree

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Total miscarriage of justice, but oh to be rich and famous

mighty mist
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I hope Chicago sues Smollet's ass!

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I honestly didn't want to believe that he made a false accusation, but when I saw the evidence the CPD gathered, I thought: 'Oh, my god. He really did it.'

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We have too many African-Americans dying in the streets of Chicago, and he has to go and take advantage of the pain of racism to boost his stupid salary!

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He makes me sick! DX

knotty fox
sonic quail
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Fuck THAT

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BRING HIM BACK

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SHE DONT DESERVE THIS

mighty mist
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@regal root Thanks for the 100. 😃

dim hedge
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@mighty mist Star is some hot trash

mighty mist
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Trash?

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How so?

dim hedge
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its pretty ridiculous to make it simple

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but then again, you are a fan of Empire right?

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so you are into this genre which Im not saying is a bad thing

sonic quail
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Hes saying its bad a thing

dim hedge
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😰 woah relax

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i didnt say that

mighty mist
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😐

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Okay. 😐

sonic quail
mighty mist
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Uh...yeah. 😐

dim hedge
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Isn't empire cancelling

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because of that actor controversy ?

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that guy who faked being jumped

mighty mist
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Yes.

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I'm still bummed out about that, but there's not much I can do about it.

dim hedge
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that is how I feel about Got's final season cryingpepe

mighty mist
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hugs you

sonic quail
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hugs you for longer than necessary

mighty mist
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It's like, everything time I find a show that I really love, it gets cancelled and I think 'Why do I even bother?'

sonic quail
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Aw

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Its ok

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You’ll find the one

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Dw

mighty mist
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Okay.

runic dirge
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my game of thrones marathon trudges forwards relentlessly

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and the red wedding was a massive dissapointment, not that I had any expectations for it

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I wouldn't say I dislike anything that I've seen so far, it's all very decent

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I guess my biggest complaint would be that there's never any good fighting or choreography

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and my second biggest that the dialogue is repetitive and conversations are incredibly formulaic

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since the show and characters are all so clever and witty and cunning and all that

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they all play off each other in the exact same way

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but there are a few gems mixed in, meaning Grandpa Lannister makes everyone else look bad

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I don't really have a good reason to not keep watching at this point I guess tsmol

sonic quail
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I hate tywin

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I hope ur at least having a good time

runic dirge
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how

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what

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how is it possible to hate Tywin

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explain this wizardry to me

mighty mist
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After hearing all of the not-so-nice things about GoT, I'd rather read the books. 😐

runic dirge
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books boring show boring

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however

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if you're a fan of either medium you should love them

mighty mist
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How are the books boring?

runic dirge
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too many words

mighty mist
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They can't be that bad.

runic dirge
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but I am a hack

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they're fantastic books

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it's just I don't really have the patience for them

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unfortunately I don't find the show that compelling either

mighty mist
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And didn't LOTR books have too many words, too?

runic dirge
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I similarly have no love for them

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I'm one of those awful people who likes the hobbit trilogy more than the mainline lotr films

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not that I've seen any of them since I was a kid but still

mighty mist
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Okay. 😐

runic dirge
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maybe I'll watch them all again

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I should

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and yeah, you should either read the books or watch the show if you're interested I guess

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there's a lot of content in the books and the show finally wrapped up

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which is the only reason I'm finally getting into it

mighty mist
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Right.

runic dirge
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I would recommend them strongly to anyone who's a fan of the genre

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and who is also more patient than me

mighty mist
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Okay.

sonic quail
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Nah i get u roro

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Im not a huge fan of very descriptive writing idk

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But ask me why i hate tywin after shit goes down. You’ll know what that means when it happens

runic dirge
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I've read all the books

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I was just wondering if you hated him for aesthetic reasons

sonic quail
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Nah he’s just a ||shit dad to tyrion and i wont forgive that||

runic dirge
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unfortunate

swift stratus
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Sup roro

runic dirge
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👋

dim hedge
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what is dead may never die

copper phoenix
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wtf albair, you telling me you dont like reading 10 pages of leaf description?

sonic quail
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Thats why i dropped harry potter after the 4th book

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Too descriptive for my taste

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Care more about whats happening than what it looks like

regal root
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I'm honestly curious how Tyrion would've turned out if Tywin had been a decent person to him, I think he might have ended up as a bit of a dick (more so than usual I mean)

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What I mean by that is that I feel Tyrion only turned into the person we love because of how rough his life had been, and that if he had it easier (say by Tywin not being a massive cock to him) that Tyrion wouldn't have his edge or a chip on his shoulder

pale tapir
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Anyone here watch Legion?

broken fossil
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About to see Brightburn

regal root
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Oof, finally saw Endgame. Was as good as I'd hoped it be, probably gonna dissect it to hell for the plot once the euphoria wears off but as of now I think I liked it as much as I did Infinity War.

neon coral
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I liked it more than infinity wars. Both were really fun to watch the first time though

sonic quail
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While that may be true tywin is still a piece of shit

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And i stand by that

regal root
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He is

sonic quail
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I will die on that hill

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@pale tapir i watch legion

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Its great

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Very bizarre and weird show

pale tapir
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Nice!!!

sonic quail
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Wish more people watched it

pale tapir
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I'm on the second season

sonic quail
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Its a good time man

pale tapir
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The ||farouk story line is interesting||

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I just finished the second episode

sonic quail
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I feel like s2 just gets more bizarre

regal root
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Mind you I can sympathize with him to a degree because from a young age he had to take the lead on restoring his House's name but that still doesn't excuse him being such an unrepentant asshole to his son.

pale tapir
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Very

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But it's still good

sonic quail
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I feel like the way they tell the story is creative

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Like u kinda just have to analyze certain things at times

pale tapir
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Yeah, and the thing I like about it so far, is that the story pieces together

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And it's so layered

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Each episode reveals something new

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It's linear, but it's got a lot of depth

sonic quail
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Also yea buc. The shit he did was just so sadistic man. Like even cersei wouldnt do that

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Yea strong

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I gotta rewatch everything

pale tapir
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Finding out ||Lenny is still alive was a nice twist||

sonic quail
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Ikr?

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Freaking great

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Also the music is pretty dope

pale tapir
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Yes, the ost is really good

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It matches the vibe of the show

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Psychedelic superhero

sonic quail
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Exactly

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Perfect description

pale tapir
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I wonder when they'll expand on David's ||different personas, because that's a big deal in the comics||

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I know we saw one of them last season, but I want more

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Cause technically he does have multiple personality disorder

sonic quail
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Yea its something to look forward to

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But its also somethung that needs to be handled in maybe a bit at a time

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Cuz uh

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Shit can get too much real fast since he has so many

pale tapir
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Yeah

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I'm going by like 1-2 episodes a day at most

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It's a trippy show

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And bingeing it won't let me experience it right I feel

sonic quail
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Yea i remember i watched it as it was airing

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Shoukd be getting a new season soon i hope

pale tapir
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Yep, it's coming in June

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Or July, not sure

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The third season trailer is out

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Yep, 24th of June @sonic quail

sonic quail
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Oh sweet

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Didnt see anythinf for the trailer

pale tapir
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I saw it somewhere online, but I haven't watched it cause it'll probably have spoilers I'm sure

sonic quail
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Yea

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I think theyre better about not revealing too much in their trailers tho

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Its pretty easy not to since shit is so insane that anything out of context is hard to explain or grasp

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Like showing him dancing with people in the pysch ward from the first season

magic bloom
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Aladdin was really good

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Will Smith did a good job as genie

broken fossil
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Bright burn was FUCKED up

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lol it felt a bit campy in some areas but overall interesting concept and I wonder if they’ll do more with it , I liked it over all

mighty mist
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Huh.

neon coral
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Decided to rewatch Stargate Atlantis since I haven't seen it since it originally aired on tv.. and now I've realized that assassins creed has been ripping the plot from this show a lot.

mighty mist
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Wha~t?! D:

sage sleet
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@regal root I hear swamp thing is really good

regal root
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Yeah I saw the trailer, gotta say for a series that (to my knowledge) is a web exclusive it looks good. They got James Wan as an executive producer so that really gets my hopes up

jolly flint
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Swamp Thing is pretty legendary from what I understand

regal root
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Yeah he's a good dude, faces horrifying situations but that is what you would expect from a member of the JL Dark

jolly flint
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Plastic man though awoo

regal root
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Plastic Man>Mr. Fantastic, change my mind

sage sleet
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I want a plastin man movie so bad

jolly flint
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Plastic Man > Thor

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Not even kidding

sage sleet
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thor overrated

mint kiln
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k

sage sleet
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I like my stupid side heroes

jolly flint
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Plastic Man is pretty op

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Didn't Superman say that Plastic Man could kill everyone if he wanted to?

sage sleet
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possibly

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people sleep on plastic man

jolly flint
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Plastic Man has never really gotten over being a comedic superhero besides in Injustice

sage sleet
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not loading for me

jolly flint
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Plastic Man cosplays as Wonder Woman

sage sleet
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lmao

dim hedge
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I wonder if DC version of Endgame

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Justice league stopping Thanos

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Come on,kill me. Do it

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Batman: No kill no kill!

mint kiln
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you tend to go on these monologues a lot

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cant say they're any good though

dim hedge
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Just imagining they wont even kill

regal root
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Speaking of I finally saw Endgame the other day, was very surprised that the opposite scenario of what I thought would happen happened

dim hedge
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Somehow Marvel is more relatable

regal root
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Who would of thunk it, a universe mostly comprised of regular people who became heroes is more relatable than a universe mostly comprised of living gods who became heroes

dim hedge
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Refuse to kill rule is really irritating

mint kiln
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Watching the animated Aladdin

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it just reminds me of when i was a kid and arabic dubs of animated movies weren't garbage

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and now im just sad

regal root
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Just wait till you see the live action version and it makes you want to die inside

mint kiln
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dont worry buc

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im wasnt planning on it

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imma keep watching and compare the english songs with the arabic songs

sonic quail
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From what i hear the genie is the best part of aladdin

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Surprisingly so

pale tapir
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Yep yep, same Al

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I'm just gonna wait for it to come out in Blu Ray

neon coral
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I think you mean Blu Will

mint kiln
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Everyone knew that Will Smith would be the best part of the movie

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Long before it got released

mighty mist
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I love Will Smith, but I DON'T love him as Genie.

pale tapir
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@neon coral indeed I do pepeMingo

neon coral
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I'm glad he's getting good publicity for once. He's gotten chewed out a lot for his movies of late and he's a cool dude. Didn't expect him to be considered the best part

mighty mist
#

If you like him in Aladdin, fine. Me? I'm still not watching the remake.

runic dirge
#

I should probably drop got tbh

neon coral
#

Favorite Aladdin film is still King of Thieves

runic dirge
#

took a nap halfway through s4e2 and I can't imagine picking it back up every again

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it's so samey

copper phoenix
#

you pretty watched all the decent stuff already

runic dirge
#

every conversation and character and episode is basically the same as the one before it

copper phoenix
#

its fine if you drop

runic dirge
#

the only person I really care about at this point is theon

neon coral
#

lol

runic dirge
#

always liked his storyline

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and I have a weakness for torture plots

copper phoenix
#

yea theon has a nice story

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I mean, not nice since its fucked up

runic dirge
#

his actor is fantastic as well

copper phoenix
#

its interesting

runic dirge
#

I'll probably stick around

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I've got enough free time

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but ah

calm sun
#

Drop it

tribal tundra
#

Weren’t you the guy who said he start got like 3-4 days ago?

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And you’re already in season 4

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Its normal that you feel the way your feeling if you binge watch it that way

neon coral
#

Nah, that's just how roro is. Don't think it has anything to do with binging.

sonic quail
#

Yea i binged it too and didnt feel that i dont think and many others as well. Its just his take

neon coral
#

Speaking of binging, I'm going through stargate atlantis right now. Might do farscape after but I'm really tempted to go find Battlestar Galactica

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that show is the origin of Binging.

sonic quail
#

U enjoying it?

neon coral
#

Atlantis? Ya.

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I loved SG1. I only caught parts of Atlantis on Space/Sci fi network when it was airing but never got to see it all.

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Those early/mid 2000 Sci fi shows always have a lot of passion and lore. Even the filler dialogue is great and entertaining and the casts are always so diverse. They also never try to be relevant to modern times/political, etc. Makes escaping into those worlds a lot more enjoyable. Plus, Jason Momoa's in this. I think it was his first break

spring patrol
#

is SG suppose to be a sequel to star trek or are they two different things?

copper phoenix
#

I should finish bsg

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s4 is a fucking blast

neon coral
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Stargate is its own thing

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nothing to do with star trek

copper phoenix
#

lmao

neon coral
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It started from a movie, which got turned into a tv series.

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then that series got 2 spin offs, Atlantis & something else(Which didn't work out but was kinda cool from what I remember)

copper phoenix
#

I liked the movie

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I'll watch atlantis one day

neon coral
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the movie had Kurt Russel & James Spader

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that's peak 90s

copper phoenix
neon coral
#

I haven't seen battle star in years

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And I never finished its spin off called Caprica

spring patrol
#

hmmm

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i may check out the 90s movie

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the only star i watch is star wars but i was thinking about watching star trek at some point since i always see memes of it lol

copper phoenix
#

ah yes the stars universe

#

star vs the forces of evil

spring patrol
#

in a nutshell

neon coral
#

OG Star Wars trilogy is great. The Clone wars animated series & Star Wars Rebels are top tier too.

spring patrol
#

yea. if you really want more content you should check out the books. there are alot of great hidden gems and stories there with characters you never knew existed

neon coral
#

Star Trek is a lot slower paced and more political. The Next Generation is a good place to start with that. I love the cast and the atmosphere but it's not my cup of tea. Stargate is kind of a mix of both, with ancient human civilization/history playing a big role. Farscape is just brilliant to me.

spring patrol
#

tbh i liked movies 1-3 though. they got a lot of hate but I enjoyed the ride

neon coral
#

I liked 1 the most.

spring patrol
#

that is the feeling i get when i look at star trek previews lol it is an older show though

neon coral
#

That opinion got Simon Pegg to call me a wanker

spring patrol
#

yea phantom menace was awesome

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the duels in movie 3 were probably some of the best though

neon coral
#

I read a few of the SW books. The Bane books are amazing

spring patrol
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but darth maul is a badass sith

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i started to read some of it but had to put it down. it was getting interesting though

neon coral
#

Darth Maul plays a big part in Star Wars Rebels. He shows up in Clone Wars too.

spring patrol
#

i read the darth plagueis novel and definitely worth reading if you are a star wars fan or just a fan of fiction/scifi even

neon coral
#

I've read that too

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That book made phantom menace become one of my favorites SW movie

spring patrol
#

oh yea once you know more of the backstory

neon coral
#

I started looking at the movie from the perspective of Palpatine instead of Anakin/Obi-Wan/Quigonn

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and you can kinda tell how devious he is and calculating. And knowing that Plagueis was ||Around until the very end of that movie, made it even better||

spring patrol
#

the books are just so good though. not even from a star wars fan point of view but from a regular reader. the authors do an amazing jobs on them from the narration, dialogue, descriptions, etc..

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just the story telling overall

neon coral
#

Ya.

#

Did you ever read the old republic books?

spring patrol
#

yea palpatine is a major mastermind

neon coral
#

The Revan & Malgus ones were just as good as Bane, especially if you played the games

spring patrol
#

i dont think i have yet. there are so many star wars novels out there lol thats why i like them because its kind of like OP- its never ending almost lol

neon coral
#

If you played through kotor 1 & 2, the revan book is almost a must.

spring patrol
#

i havent been able to play those games but the gameplay looks cool

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i want to eventually play

#

is that also the mmo they have out now?

#

i forgot what it's called

neon coral
#

swtor

spring patrol
#

yea that one looks cool also

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and has alot of lore inside it as well

neon coral
#

kotor 1 is on mobile now. but its pretty cheap on steam and runs well on there.

spring patrol
#

i saw people make fan videos out of them that lasted hours lol

#

can you play swtor on apple products

neon coral
#

swtor was great at launch. It got EA'd though

spring patrol
#

ill check it out

neon coral
#

the individual class stories were amazing. you felt your character grow

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I played as a Sith Juggernaut. Friend was an inquisitor and other a bounty hunter. We somehow got really lucky and got all the top-tier gear within a week of hitting level cap.

spring patrol
#

i wanted to play inquisitor looking at the previews for it

neon coral
#

EA eventually added a bunch of paywalls, XP/leveling caps, forced name changes(Which resulted in alot of the first players losing their names to people who wanted them and logged in first to claim other user names).

spring patrol
#

i played alot of WoW and tried diablo 3 though

neon coral
#

so you could only have 6/30 abilities on your bar, making you useless. If you died, you couldn't respawn unless you paid

spring patrol
#

lol thats lame. so you could only use a few of your abilities at a time if you didnt pay?

neon coral
#

Last time I played WoW was uhm

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Pandaria

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ya, pretty much.

#

wasn't like that at first. It's when they made it free to play.

spring patrol
#

WoW is not nearly the game it used to be. it started to go downhill after lich king. i only play on a free account (lvl 20) from time to time

neon coral
#

Even paying, you still had ads on the game and other issues caused by the f2p(Dungeons and raids would take forever, and sometimes be impossible because f2p players would join in and either be unable to help, or die)

#

Ya, Lich King was peak.

spring patrol
#

yea any mmo player could see how that would be annoying lol

neon coral
#

Cata was ok at first but flying around azeroth killed the magic the world had. exploring became a chore

#

the world felt smaller, and druids kept attacking people and flying off.

#

My first time downing Lich King, I released near the end of the fight and lost out on my achievement lmao

spring patrol
#

i remember cata starting the downfall. towards the end of the expac they started to come out with "easy button" modes that allowed players to pretty much face roll through all the content with things like raid finder and what not

#

lol that happened alot to people

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LK was when they made minor adjustments from BC and vanilla but didnt go overboard and water everything down while handing everything out to players also like they started to do during cata

#

it felt balanced and fun/competitive

neon coral
#

yeah, and the new area + dungeons were fun. I loved the music in Grizzly hills and all the Vykrul stuff

spring patrol
#

yea LK was a good villian too

#

had great cinematics from that expac also

#

i enjoyed BC also but i didnt start playing until the end of it

neon coral
#

I started off as Shaman, did that arena raid and got a drop everyone wanted, so some guy gave me 40M gold for it, which was a lot at the time.

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Then I started up a warrior and It became all I played.

spring patrol
#

lol that is when they first came out with multi person mounts during that expac i think

neon coral
#

revisiting BC raids during wrath of the lich king was one of my favorite things

spring patrol
#

lol warrior is like the only thing i havent played alot of

neon coral
#

YOU ARE NOT PREPARED

spring patrol
#

older raids are way more fun than what they are now

neon coral
#

One thing I did like with Pandaria though

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the green fire for warlocks

spring patrol
#

no king rules forever my son...

neon coral
#

that quest was awesome

spring patrol
#

LIGHT, GRANT ME ONE FINAL BLESSING...

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they make WoW books too lol

#

and they are good reads like the star wars novels

neon coral
#

low chance drop from rare elites on an island. You get a book, you do this huge quest chain and you end up going solo through Illidans fortress, doing stealth stuff

spring patrol
#

back when legendaries actually meant something

#

now you can get them through random drops lol

neon coral
#

and it was the toughest fight ever. you had to do everything perfectly. was like a solo raid

spring patrol
#

i have a warglaive and thunderfury on my rogue but i got it years later from the expac they came out in lol

neon coral
#

and the reward was Felfire for your Warlock. and a cool title. Then they nerfed it because people felt it was unfair they had to work to get felfire

#

I never got a warglaive

spring patrol
#

i did the shadowmourne and the legendary mace questline from ulduar also

#

but this was after all of their expacs

#

so they didnt have as much value

neon coral
#

Did get Invincible & time lost proto though

spring patrol
#

i just wanted to do it lol

#

i never got invincible

#

lol

#

i may have time lost proto

neon coral
#

"Why do they call it invincible if you can see it"

spring patrol
#

i forgot what it is

neon coral
#

DID SOMEBODY SAY [THUNDERFURY, BLESSED BLADE OF THE WINDSEEKER]!?

spring patrol
#

i also dude sulfuras, hand of ragnaros quest idk if you can still get the mace though

#

since they redid MC in a different expac

#

but none of the legendaries i got were during the expac they came out in lol

#

it was after when it was easier to do as a higher lvl

neon coral
#

You still could up to the end of Pandaria, I think. They also had the new version of it in Cata I think

spring patrol
#

legendaries arent as rare as they used to be either

neon coral
#

ya, in making it more approachable to the casual players, they kinda forsake the people who stuck around.

spring patrol
#

but the game is dieing. its obvious to anyone who used to play and plays now

#

idk how many more expacs they are going to do

#

they are still making the movie for it though i think

neon coral
#

another movie?

#

the last one was pretty cool

spring patrol
#

yea

#

they set up a potential LK 2.0 expac since bolvar ended up taking the crown at the end of wotlk but idk if its going to happen

#

did you see any of the backstory to legion? where it turned out illidan was good this whole time

neon coral
#

I tried the beta for that but didn't really like demon hunter

#

the concept was cool

#

thats all I played of it though

spring patrol
#

yea demon hunters were fun because you could double jump and glide lol

neon coral
#

I'm perma banned from WoW

#

lol

#

lost my hearthstone account too.

spring patrol
#

dude the Lord of War previews blizz came out with during WoD were epic

#

that is one thing blizz does well most of the time- their cinematics

#

ive been temporary banned before lol

neon coral
#

I made a Gnome Hunter, had spare money at the time so I bought the expansion and it gave me a free level cap character, so I used it on him. Decided I wanted one of those high level engineering rocket mounts. I spent around 80k Gold to get everything I needed to craft it and it was glitched, so my gnome would just hover awkwardly in it and keep phasing through. Contacted blizzard about it and they told me its not their problem.

spring patrol
neon coral
#

I just wanted them to look into fixing it, or to refund me my mats and take the rocket away(Something I know they can do) and was treated like shit, after years of subbing.

spring patrol
#

lol his little umbrella

#

he is torturing one of the warlords you should check out the video. there are 6 parts for each one of the warlords and how they got their reputation i think

neon coral
#

so I contacted my bank and had them reverse the pre order on the expansion. that was that.

#

just added to my watch list on youtube

spring patrol
#

oh yea sometimes GMs can be a pain

#

i would have done the same lol

#

this is the demon hunter one also

#

or one of them

neon coral
#

the voice acting is really well done

#

those are gonna be fun to binge through

spring patrol
#

did you watch the warlord one with grammosh?

neon coral
#

I just added it to my list. skimmed through to get an idea of what it was first. I'm about to head to bed and don't wanna start those tonight lol

spring patrol
#

THIS WOLF.... STILL...... HAS.... ....TEETH!!!!!

#

cool

dim hedge
#

Welcome to WOW

#

Liam O brian

neon coral
#

That was good conversation. But nows my time to sleep. Goodnight!

spring patrol
#

yea i should probably go work on hw

#

cya

strong shore
#

End game was trash

regal root
#

I'll respectfully disagree with that statement but to each their own

fluid merlin
#

GoT season 8 was trash 😂

mighty mist
#

A lot of people have been saying that.

mint kiln
#

Probably because it's true

calm sun
#

FINGER IN DA BUM

#

I feel bad for Euron's actor

#

They shafted his character

copper phoenix
#

its even worse because he is a book fan

#

I think there was a very old interview where he said his character would make ramsay look like a bitch

#

yeah about that

broken fossil
#

Yikes

runic dirge
#

this show is going to be so much more boring without Joffrey

#

I'm upset

#

he's easily one of my favorite characters

scenic terrace
#

Star Wars, Harry Potter, 2 different x men movies, beauty and the beast, SVU, and criminal minds all on at once. Why doesnt tv have this good of a selection all the time

mighty mist
#

Which Beauty and the Beast? The one from 1991 or the one from 2017?

#

@scenic terrace

scenic terrace
#

2017 live action

fluid merlin
#

@runic dirge joffrey is easily the most entertaining character in the series imo

runic dirge
#

He's a horrible little piece of shit

#

I love him

fluid merlin
#

Exactly

#

The series never felt the same without him

mighty mist
#

@scenic terrace Ugh. Pass.

scenic terrace
#

Disagree Oli. I’d say the problem was ||tyrion leaving Kingsq Lansing, along with Baelish rarely being there and Varys not doing much anymore||

#

||altho joffreys death caused those events||

fluid merlin
#

Yeah all that too

#

All these recent disney remakes made me realize how good the originals actually are 😂

sage sleet
#

I'm fr bouta fuck around and rewatch svu for the 4th time

#

also the beauty and the beast live action movie was good

#

seeing how it was legit the animated movie with like an extra 10 second scene on how belle's mom croaked

fluid merlin
#

The aladin one doesnt seem to be as bad as i thought it would it be

sage sleet
#

people are really liking it

fluid merlin
#

Seems so

mighty mist
#

I still hate the live action remakes.

#

And did anyone see the recent Delta commercial?

regal root
#

Got a lot of respect for Jack Gleeson ending his acting career to pursue a path of academia, dude is apparently wicked smat irl

mighty mist
#

Neat. 😃

runic dirge
#

Did Gleeson sing the credits song or not

#

The YouTube comments were split over it

#

Either way it was a fantastic touch

regal root
#

The credits scene on what, the episode he died in?

runic dirge
#

Yeah

#

They had him singing The rains of castamere

#

Or someone who sounded like him, at least

regal root
#

No it wasn't sung by him, it was sung by Sigur Rós. They're an icelandic rock band, they performed it during the episode itself before Joffrey politely told them to piss off

runic dirge
#

The Hound is adorable

regal root
#

Hound is best dad

runic dirge
#

@dim hedge s4e6

#

I've decided to sit through the whole thing now that it's ended

#

Probably not much

median plinth
#

S4 Poggers

runic dirge
#

Is that past the books?

median plinth
#

Yeah I believe it is.

scenic terrace
#

season 5 is when itt starts entering non-book territory

regal root
#

Yeah outside of the book material Season 5 was garbage

#

Also probably because 1-4 were bout 90-95% source material

dim hedge
#

I enjoyed the season 6 arc || with the faith ||

#

it was well done

#

I mean this is season 6 😰

#

but very well il be considerate

regal root
#

And mind you just because 1-4 were about 90-95% made off book material doesn't mean they used 90-95% of the books, they left a shit ton out

dim hedge
#

it breaks my heart knowing people are going to love the show only to be ||utterly disappointed||

regal root
#

I mean, he has 4 others out so

dim hedge
#

well

#

we have a date now

#

but I mean

#

that literally means nothing especially with GRRM

regal root
#

Oh shit, GRRM giving out soft dates again for Winds to drop?

#

Not like we've been waiting 8 years or anything

dim hedge
#

yeah he posted it on his blog

#

something along the lines of if he didn't release it by that date

#

'fans could imprison him'

#

let me get the date one sec

#

I mean, regardless his book is going to sell extremely well

#

the world con is in the summer of 2020

regal root
#

Yeet

dim hedge
#

a day before

#

the event

#

he announces

#

the book is delayed for another 3 years

regal root
#

Gotta say, I really enjoyed the first Sansa and Arya chapters of Winds he dropped

#

Got me hooked

#

Arianne's were a bit ehh but they should pick up soon enough after she reaches Storm's End

dim hedge
#

I remember we were discussing the good aspects of the final season after the last episode aired and I don't think anyone here mentioned how good of a job Ramin Djawadi

#

did, I think some of his best work came from s8

regal root
#

Ramin is a G, he might be the best TV composer of this generation

dim hedge
#

he aight is an understatement LuffyEw

runic dirge
#

@dim hedge I'm only watching it because I watched a bunch of stuff about s8 lol

#

got would have probably slipped past me if Mauler hadn't posted anything about it

#

So don't worry about spoilers tsmol

#

I know how it all ends, roughly

#

Too lazy to click one button

#

Torrenting is EZ

#

Strongly recommend

#

I just wish the show had a better OP

#

Do they really use the same one all eight seasons

#

I hate the music

#

Some parts of it at least

scenic terrace
#

Ah, so you just have bad taste

#

alongside stranger

runic dirge
#

Map gimmick boring

#

If it's been shifting I haven't noticed

scenic terrace
#

it normally shifts to whatever is relevant in the episode

runic dirge
#

Boring OP for a boring show CrocoKid

#

OMG!!!!!

#

Now that is genius CrocoKid

#

Boring but not as boring as her sister

#

Angry pointy girl

#

I know she gets really OP later on

wild ruin
#

Aew

regal root
#

He's in Season 4 now

runic dirge
#

But the show isn't there yet

jolly flint
#

I just watched Coco

#

That movie was so beautiful

sage sleet
#

I love coco

#

great wholesome movie

#

the book of life>>

#

but both great

jolly flint
#

Never seen Book of Life

sage sleet
#

you should check it out

jolly flint
#

I love movies that have to do with Mexican culture

sage sleet
#

then you'll also enjoy the book of life

#

probably

#

I like mythology and shit like that

#

legends and what not

#

I might be in the minority but I really liked the prince of Egypt

#

don't care for religion things but I found it cool

calm sun
#

I watched it as a kid and was convinced I was a prophet briefly

mighty mist
#

@sage sleet I liked The Prince of Egypt, too. 😃

calm sun
#

That's the Disney movie about Moses right

sage sleet
#

yeah

#

er yeah no disney

mighty mist
#

No, Dreamworks, Tsubasa.

calm sun
#

I see

sage sleet
#

it's the same one as shrek right?

mighty mist
#

Yes.

calm sun
#

Shrek was a sequel

jolly flint
#

@sage sleet tons of people love Prince of Egypt

#

You are not in the minority

#

Trust me

sage sleet
#

All my friends clown on me for liking the movie

#

That and Atlantis

jolly flint
#

Really?

#

I think it's amazing

sage sleet
#

They got whack taste

jolly flint
#

There are movies that I love like Under the Skin and the Star Wars Prequels where I can understand why people don't like them

#

But Prince of Egypt.....

#

Yeah, I think you need to watch it more than once to fully appreciate it

#

It's a movie where the more you read into it, the better it gets

sage sleet
#

Let me stop you right there stranger

#

Treasure planet is my favorite movie ever

jolly flint
#

Treasure Plant is your favorite movie Pepega

sage sleet
#

I'm leading the way

#

That or summer wars

#

No it's treasure planet

jolly flint
#

Are we just going to name unpopular movies that we love?

#

For me, Star Wars prequels and og Scooby Doo movie

#

It was originally going to be an R rated comedy that was making fun of parts of the Scooby Doo cartoon

#

Like, Velma and Daphne would have been lesbians

runic dirge
jolly flint
#

Fred would have been an overconfident dude who fails at everything

runic dirge
#

best

#

perfect in every way

sage sleet
#

remember anastasia

#

great movie

jolly flint
#

Never saw Anastasia :(

#

Remember Song of the South?

sage sleet
#

one of my favorite movies

#

I watched it once with some friends

jolly flint
#

Never saw Song of the South

#

All I know is Zippity Do Da

sage sleet
#

disney wasn't using all their brain

mighty mist
#

Ugh. Song of the South.

jolly flint
#

Yo, I looked up some of the Anastasia soundtrack

#

This song is so amazing

#

But the visuals really don't match it

mighty mist
#

Don't match it? 😐

jolly flint
#

Yes

#

An army of dancing bugs does not fit with a rock opera

vapid marlin
#

want some good music to visuals?

#

fantasia

mighty mist
#

You do realize that the bugs were there feeding off of the corpses, right? 😐

jolly flint
#

No

#

I haven't seen the movie

#

:(

mighty mist
#

Oh.

fluid merlin
#

I remember i thought anastasia was too dark when i was a kid

sage sleet
#

it was the one movie my mom watched with me

#

bonded over it

fluid merlin
#

Aladin and lion king were probably my favourite kids movies back in the 90s 😂

mighty mist
#

Aww. ^^

mighty mist
#

GoT rant, btw.

tribal tundra
#

You haven’t even watched the show why bother watching this haha

mighty mist
#

Because I'm subscribed to her? 😐

dim hedge
#

Yeah no point of watching, everyone seems to universally agree about what went wrong with season 8

mighty mist
#

Which is sad that it ended the way that it did. 😦

tribal tundra
#

Yep its mostly one reason that caused a domino effect

mighty mist
#

Domino effect?

tribal tundra
#

Its like when one real problem causes multiple other problems

mighty mist
#

Oh.

runic dirge
#

it all started with the assassination of archduke franz ferdinand

#

made a few people mad, started a few wars, and now we have anime

#

The Domino Effect ™

vapid marlin
jolly flint
#

The Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand is the most important event in the 20th century

mighty mist
#

Yup.

lilac knoll
#

which season is the best from GoT? (please dont drop spoilers i barely finished the 2nd)

#

so far i dont really understand the hype for the series

sonic quail
#

It might not be for u then

tribal tundra
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I think most people who start watching got now start with too high expectations because of all the hype, then yall get disappointed

sonic quail
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Considering ur in the midst of watch the best seasons according to most people

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It could also just be a “miss” tho

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Not the too high expectations thing

tribal tundra
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For dure

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Sure*

sonic quail
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Its a genre that many just dont care for to be fair

tribal tundra
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Idk i dont like that genre either

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I never liked lotr

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But i really loved got

sonic quail
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Ye same lotr isnt appealing to me

lilac knoll
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i didnt have any expectations whatsoever

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i just wanted to see if people do overhype it

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and so far it seems like it

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5-6/10 for me so far

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what bothers me the most is that apart from the season endings

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everything feels unbelievably slow

tribal tundra
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Idk its a subjective thing, but some things can be rated objectively. Its nowhere near shows like the breaking bad but i believe that objectively its better than most tv shows out there for the past decade

sonic quail
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Yea got is a lot of people talking

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Which is what people like generally

lilac knoll
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yeah and in some episodes im feeling all like

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"why are they talking about this shit for 20 minutes now"

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when in the end, it didnt matter anyway

sonic quail
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😂😂

lilac knoll
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the pacing is the worst and biggest issue

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the thing i like most so far

sonic quail
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Roro said something similar

tribal tundra
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The pacing is what ruined it in the end

lilac knoll
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||the dragon plot and the white wanderers (im translating from german so dont kill me)||

sonic quail
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Yea those are defo the most interesting

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But got has always been more about its politics than anythinf

lilac knoll
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||igritte and the shadow power woman are highkey waifus||

sonic quail
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Already making a list i see

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Not dany?

lilac knoll
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foshizzle

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ye shes hot

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but

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not my type

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too babyfaced

dim hedge
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Batman and TMNT lul

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The crossover was awesome

regal root
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@lilac knoll Personally thought Season 4 was the best but 6 was pretty damn good as well

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Also found myself missing certain members of the Season 1 crew just cause I loved Sean Bean and Mark Addy, still a tad jarring to see how old certain younger members of the cast got by the end but they had a hell of a journey

runic dirge
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I agree doen

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got is an incredibly 5/10 show

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it's put together very well, all the characters are interesting enough, and the world and politics are presented well

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but mostly, it's boring and samey with a few highlights

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it's a very solid show to binge

sonic quail
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See i don’t mind dialogue heavy shows as much cuz the conversations are interesting to me. Id say the pacing is fine and moves faster when it needs to. But i also havent watch most of the earlier seasons in years with the exception of a few episodes from s1 and s2.

runic dirge
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if only there were better fights

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so far the best thing has been the Hound vs Brienne

regal root
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How far are you so far?

runic dirge
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finished s4 last night

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so I'm upset about the Hound

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||I know he comes back somehow, tho, so hopefully that will be fun||

regal root
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From a story telling aspect I don't think you'll like Season 5 but there is an episode in there you'll hopefully really enjoy

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Also pre warning just in case you had any interest in him, no Bran in Season 5

runic dirge
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he's ok

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I know what happens with him by the end so it's kinda interesting to watch him do stuff

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but I don't really care for him past aesthetics

regal root
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That's fair

runic dirge
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I like cripples

regal root
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How did you like the ||Battle of Castle Black||?

runic dirge
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giant archer cool

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the rest I sleep

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lots of dark clothed people in the dark

regal root
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Probably wouldn't care much but Jon and Ygritte's actors got married irl

runic dirge
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oh wow

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that's cool

regal root
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Becoming a world known TV star, a multi millionaire, AND getting hitched to a cutie you met on set of said show that made you a TV star? Kit Harrington made off like a bandit

runic dirge
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ygritte is ok

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but every time she says the meme line I just die a little

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and meanwhile I'm just waiting for Dany to do literally anything tsmol

regal root
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Astapor was pretty cool though

runic dirge
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which was that one

regal root
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She tricked that one guy into thinking she was trading him her dragon for control of the slaves warriors then turned them loose on their former masters

runic dirge
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ah yes

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hopefully season five will be fun

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I think that's when Cersei starts losing it and Arya is finally going to braavos

regal root
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Season 5 was interesting, it contained one of the best episodes of the entire series as well as arguably the worst, personally my most disliked season but to each their own

runic dirge
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exciting

regal root
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I will tell you though that will most likely see a noticeable drop off in writing quality in Season 5 as that was when they stopped primarily using source material from the books

runic dirge
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I've heard they're better at adapting, yeah

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which books were it that were running concurrently?

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4 and 5?

regal root
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Yeah

copper phoenix
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cant wait for roro to suffer season 8 with the rest of us GWatproHyperPoggers

regal root
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I'd say Season 1-4 were about 90-95% book material, 5 was about 50-60 roughly, 6 was maybe 5, 7 and 8 weren't at all.

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Gonna try and phrase this carefully so you'll understand, just because some of those seasons were made up mostly of source material doesn't mean that it was a pure adaption, they left a lot out.

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There was a massive plot twist at the end of Book 3 that didn't get touched, which is a shame because I think that's what a large number of books fans wanted to see the most

runic dirge
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what was that again

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I barely remember the books

regal root
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A storm of swords

runic dirge
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which was the twist I mean

regal root
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||Lady Stoneheart||

runic dirge
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no idea who that is lol

regal root
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||Catelyn Stark brought back from the dead||

runic dirge
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interesting

regal root
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It is, feel like you could've done a lot with that but it is what it is

runic dirge
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how did stannis get to the wall anyway tsmol

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first he's somewhere, then the iron bank, and then north of the wall

regal root
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Believe he was first at Dragonstone, then iron bank, then used the money he got to buy more men/ships, got to Eastwatch by the Sea, then took his men west to attack the Wildling army

runic dirge
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hmm.

regal root
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If you're not a fan of Stannis I should tell you that he is significantly better in the books, they gutted him personality wise for the show imo

runic dirge
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yeah he's just like

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who is this

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and sometimes fire

regal root
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It sucks, they made him such a grumpy bore that even the actor who played him said that he hated the character

runic dirge
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ouch

regal root
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Still think the dude is a good actor, just got a shit script

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It be like that sometimes

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Any fav characters thus far?

runic dirge
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lannisters in general but mostly Joffrey and Tywin,

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the Hound, Theon

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uh