if u get what i mean
#western-series
broken fossil
even guys who were bashing the show were confused why she had a split second of fear in her face before the rage set in
dim hedge
|| Yeah, especially when it looked like she was quivering but also enraged ||
broken fossil
mhm
warped drift
just rechecked , feels worse now , guess to each his own
broken fossil
lol
i mean i get why its good and i get why its bad, i do agree with GRRM that the show would have probably done this transition better if there was at least 10-11 seasons instead of 8
broken fossil
😩
dim hedge
broken fossil
and i feel like this very next episode, could potentially be an entire mini arc in the books, if it happened the same, but they are gonna conclude it all within an hour and a half
copper phoenix
i'd rather have the books finished so we can have source material 
broken fossil
keep your expectations hammered in to "low"
warped drift
its good to those who just want to pass the time , bad for those who wanted something from the show
copper phoenix
you should have known better
broken fossil
how everyone deals with || evil dany|| could be a whole book's worth of events
dim hedge
They will be at an all time low, I hope that it does end with some closure
broken fossil
but itll be an hour and a half
copper phoenix
I hope they all die and ghost sits on the iron throne
dim hedge
he deserves that after ||Jon didn't even pat his end||
warped drift
they have have had their names encrypted in TV history as one of the best , but they ruined their chance
broken fossil
i think ||itll be sansa, like i thought two weeks ago||
copper phoenix
they who?
warped drift
DD
dim hedge
they are
warped drift
fans are bailing on them before it even airs
dim hedge
I hope that isn't the reason why they GOT came out like this
dim hedge
smh
copper phoenix
I believe the rumors
warped drift
nah ,
dim hedge
hbo also did a horrible job putting a cap on it, spending millions to prevent leaks yet they still happened
copper phoenix
ye but we all know he'll never finish the books
broken fossil
dont say that 
copper phoenix
its hl3 again
warped drift
well they say that the ending of the show is the same of the books , different routes to get there tho
broken fossil
even so theres still a chance GRRM changes it completely
dim hedge
yeah
broken fossil
cause it isnt done
dim hedge
thats what I heard too
broken fossil
but maybe not
dim hedge
that GRRM told DD the ending
and that they would be very similar
not sure if its true tho
copper phoenix
well they have the outlines of what happens, but HOW it happens is a big deal
warped drift
to be fair , the ending doesnt matter to me that much , its how we got there
dim hedge
yeah like Earl said, 10 seasons man...
broken fossil
HOW could be vastly different, and could be the difference between all the fans loving it or hating it
nobody likes a surprise for the sake of a surprise, but everyone loves a natural, built up, surprise
warped drift
the worst thing a book/show can do is build up a system or rules then go on breaking them
calm sun
A lot of articles being published calling the bells episode sexist. This is the criticism that could actually hurt d and d future careers in Hollywood.
copper phoenix
lmao
warped drift
hmm why is it sexiest
broken fossil
i havent even heard bashers say its sexist
copper phoenix
because bells reminds you of a clit
calm sun
The casual audience reaction to season 8 was mixed leaning on positive but is mixed this episode from what I see though
calm sun
You're reading the hardcore audience bashers earl
I'm talking about Twitter and online journalist and bloggers
warped drift
those critics read too much into shit
i understand wanting to hate on a show but is ridiculous
broken fossil
twitter should be burned alive
calm sun
Season 8 is as well written as the average blockbuster or tv show now
copper phoenix
broken fossil
i will listen to hardcore bashers before i would ever listen to these fake bashers pulling random shit out of their ass
warped drift
i ve checked all season 8 ratings on imdb
calm sun
Or what people imagine the books will end like
dim hedge
Maybe I am sexist for not noticing
warped drift
female audience seems to like the episodes more
dim hedge
but what was sexist about that episode
calm sun
You can look up game of thrones sexist and read the articles popping up
dim hedge
I am guessing they are far stretches, brb
copper phoenix
its probably the moms who named their kid khaleesi
calm sun
The casual audience doesn't rate stuff on IMDb btw
warped drift
except episode 5 , females hate it
broken fossil
i honestly dont even wanna know, ignorance is bliss in this regard
i dont want to hear it
about the sexist argument
copper phoenix
I saw somewhere that kids named dany and arya became really popular
calm sun
Not really popular but yes
broken fossil
lol
rapid cobalt
Eragon
dim hedge
they were far stretches as predicted
rapid cobalt
Thats a name i havent heardin ages lmao
dim hedge
yeah it was Arya
pale tapir
Yeah, my friend's daughter is named Arya
But she was born before the show was a thing
crimson lance
Arya's a good name just bad name now because of all the other aryas
what you gotta do is name you daughter something normal then change it 10 years from now
stuck vector
i actually liked episodes 1-4 and then 5 made me lose hope
crimson lance
1-3 was good for me
stuck vector
3 was probably the only good episode this season, but that’s subjective
stuck vector
wait what happened in ep 4 again
crimson lance
Ep4 was the ep where they kill A dragon misanderi and her navy
And Varys Tryion Sasnsa and Arya learn of jons father and mother
stuck vector
in terms of like heart pounding excitement, enjoyable, and all that stuff ep 3 was the one for me
AH right. let me correct myself then: i liked eps 1-3 and the first half of episode 4 and hated the later half and ep5
broken fossil
im opposite for 3 and 5 lol
liked 5 better than 3, felt that even though i had that "rush" in both episodes, 5 beat it for me, and 3 had some silly stuff admittedly
the blatant plot armor of like 4 main characters all on the same camera at the same time
crimson lance
5 wasnt awful but alot of dumb things
broken fossil
the ice dragon on jon scene
by the end
i found no huge blatant things like that in 5
crimson lance
varys who has been around for so long dying so nonchanlantly, dannys mad queen plot being rushed
broken fossil
all of that can just be one thing "rushing"
i can sum up 5 in one word which is that
crimson lance
The battle in 3 wasnt very rushed
I hope The new starwars isnt shit
since d and d gave up on got for it
broken fossil
lol
crimson lance
i never cared too much for starwars but i go and see them all when they come out
Well, the main triology, not the side ones
broken fossil
i have no expectations for star wars anymore gave up after the first new one, still need to see the last new one
the third new one is coming and im not even ready lol
stuck vector
okay ||i feel like jaime's death in ep 3 would have been much better than him dying by getting crushed by rocks with cersei||
but that's just my two cents. i really feel like D&D ruined the character development of so many characters especially ||dany and jaime||
crimson lance
yeah
broken fossil
about jaime ||jaime dying with cersei was inevitable, and hinted at long ago when he said shit like "i would like to die holding the woman i love in my arms". what do you think would have happened if him and brienne would have died against the white walkers though? heh, they were mighty close to each other in that fight sequence , so he goes on to the next war and truly dies with his actual true love. hes always had a thing for her, also i got to see cersei cry and grovel, even though it was anticlimactic in a sense that was good enough for me, she still acted great there||
neon coral
Would've been better if ||he made his way to her and was the one to kill her before she made a stupid decision, then he could've died with her anyways, and it would've been impactful, instead of what we got|| I know they're gonna do spin offs but they'll be a pass for me at this point. Multiple spin offs feels as overwhelming as all the new disney shows coming
broken fossil
i agree on that, perhaps him doing that would have been even better, like if ||he found out the baby wasnt his through euron telling him, and even though cersei sees him and cries, he just chokes her out or stabs her belly right there||
||but given their strong emotional talk at the end, i was like "ope, looks like hes not killing her"||
jolly flint
Is the Flash show good?
neon coral
first two seasons are alright. then quality drop like most CW shows. Idk how connected it ends up becoming but some episodes might not make sense without watching the other shows
stuck vector
^^ yes
crimson lance
Theres 1 Big crossover between all shows per season
And characters from the other shows periodically appear
Honestly if you have the time, arrowverse first few seasons for each show worth watching
neon coral
Norsemen or Allmighty johnsons
dim hedge
I am sorry
but in my opinion
he should not get invested in the arrowverse
all the shows start off amazing and you get hooked
neon coral
Then you watch it and you hate yourself.
dim hedge
but Arrow has been horrible for like the past 4 seasons, I might give season 5 a pass because I liked how they introduced the villain. Flash has gotten really repetitive and very unbearable
Legends of Tomorrow fell of immediately after the first season
I force myself to watch them because I have invested my time into the seasons and I won't stop watching something after I have spent a certain time on it
neon coral
Later on, the arrowverse is going to give you the same feeling of looking at porn post session
neon coral
Trollhunters, Voltron
jolly flint
Voltron is one I'm considering
neon coral
It's good. pacing is done right
both that and trollhunters were done really well and are complete stories.
Trollhunters was made by Guillermo Del toro.
they're both technically shows for children, but with undertones that only older people will appreciate. Similar to Avatar, and other shows that are considered greats
pale tapir
Voltron was fucking stupid at the end
After ||they went back to earth, the whole series lost it's charm||
neon coral
yeah, but I think its because they knew how they wanted to end. It's one series where I could've kept wanting more though
pale tapir
It became very disjointed after they lost ||lotor|| as a threat
I really liked Keith getting ||shiro back from the dead, and the space wolf||
jolly flint
@pale tapir what are some shows you'd recommend?
pale tapir
On Netflix, hmmm
Have you watched Daredevil? @jolly flint
It's the only marvel Netflix show I enjoyed
jolly flint
No :(
pale tapir
Watch Daredevil!!
It's very good
Well, watch Daredevil, Jessica Jones and the last episode of the defenders
Between seasons 2 and 3 of Daredevil
Just to get context of where Matt is at the beginning of season 3
mighty mist
||I never dreamed that Empire would end so soon because of that jackass, Jussie Smollett. Why can't they just get someone else to play Jamal Lyon?!||
calm sun
Daredevil got cancelled didn't it
mighty mist
Bummer. 😦
pale tapir
It did. /:
stuck vector
OMG i love trollhunters!!! one of my favorite netflix originals
voltron was good during the first 3 seasons but went to shit after that. will never forget the queerbaiting regarding shiro and adam, that shit genuinely hurt
pale tapir
I don't really care about the queerbaiting, although I do get it. It was shoehorned in and stupid, but my other problems with the show were very many. The whole show was a mess
I never watched Troll hunters though
copper phoenix
ATLA vs GOT (spoilers for both)
sonic quail
iroh is tryion
scenic terrace
I thought the ozai fight was satisfying
sonic quail
not sokka
scenic terrace
i disagree with point 2 though
scenic terrace
Because not every character needs a full redemption
hence that character not getting it wasnt trash to me
Spoiler tag that or remove the name
🔪
scenic terrace
that image is also spoiler tagged
sonic quail
it wasnt for me
weird
oh now it is
but yea||jaime didnt deserve redemption or brienne tbh||
weak elbow
the final fight wasn't really that satisfying due to the convenience of aang landing on the perfect spot to go avatar mode
because ofc he did
🙄
and ozai was a pushover
crimson lance
oh fuck
the orhpan boys ||Theon burned|| were the same orphan boys ||bran gave to that rancher||
sonic quail
i mean despite that i still enjoyed and i felt ozai was strong enough
he did some of the best fire bending in the series
i only wish we had seen more of him
understood him more
crimson lance
also ||Jaime was on a path of redemption ever since he was captured by the starks, then it finished with ep3, reopening it so he can die was basically throwing it away||
scenic terrace
William how you gonna forget season 6
||When jaime talks about how he would do anything for cersei when he takes over the Tully castle and beats the Blackfish||
sonic quail
||i mean he didnt do much that was redeemable tho. he just suffered loss. the only person outside of his family he treated redeemably well was brienne||
sage sleet
GOT ||when jon saves the lady from being raped that was screaming king||
sonic quail
also you could argue that ||jaime going to winterfell was redeemable despite it also being in his interest to defeat the NK and save westeros||
also pasto thats what she was saying?
sage sleet
what who was saying
sonic quail
the lady
sonic quail
oh
warped drift
so about the not so much good acting .
this is the look of someone who looks down on others , not an angry woman
and this is the look of an angry woman
at least to my standards
is she really about to bite her libs
copper phoenix
idk they both look angry to me
sonic quail
Yea who wouldve thought that people have differing facial expressions
Dany looks like a regal person trying to maintain their composure
warped drift
she did angry faces before , this is nothing like that
sonic quail
Because shes on the brink of ||losing her shit||
warped drift
this looks like a kid throwing a fit
warped drift
guess thats why i dont like it
sonic quail
I think her acting and most of the acting was phenomenal
When she says ||darcarys and kills varys||
Hoh boi
warped drift
i liked her acting before she went all high and mighty
sonic quail
Its so different from how she usually says it and the monotony expresses so much
The problem isnt the acting then its the character it seems
warped drift
but then again i cant judge these actors with the scripts they were given this season
sonic quail
I mean u can judge then based on how believable and expressive it was
It just seems to me ur complaint is that u dont like her character and less about the acting which is completely fine
warped drift
there is a saying , too much of something is bad or something
in this case over acting is the thing
sonic quail
Im having a hard time following now ig
Like u said she didnt look angry
That would be underacting
dim hedge
this season is weak af
dim hedge
mhm
neon coral
watched aquaman recently and it was alright. costumes were good for some characters, and a surprising cast.
then I watched into the spiderverse and holy shit thats an amazing movie
I wasn't sure about checking it out because I saw so many people talk about its animation style being offputting, and how it was low fps to make it more like a comic and those people must've been high
sonic quail
Im glad u liked it
Im gonna watch it again at some point
||doc oc female design is so fucking great||
Like im honestly like it needs to be the new canon
One of my fave parts about the movie
neon coral
ya. I liked that. ||Scorpions, not so much. But Prowler was sick. His design, movement & audio were amazing||
sonic quail
Ikr?!
Fuck now i wanna watch again
Also i need to get into more spiderman comics
Last i read was superior spiderman and i loved it
pale tapir
Superior Spider-Man was awesome Al, if you like Spidey comics there are a few good stories I can recommend to you
neon coral
I still can't believe we got a whole ||miles morales|| spidey movie. I regretted installing red dead again last night. I've got 0 regrets about reinstalling spiderman though lol
pale tapir
It's been so much fun doing ng+ @neon coral
neon coral
I'm still going through AC odyssey right now. My backlog atm is JoJo right after, then I think that mario kart clone is coming to ps4 next week . the sonic one
Im still waiting for the spiderman DLC to go on sale
sonic quail
Yea spiderman ps4 was amazing like watching a movie
And pls @pale tapir
Id love that
Getting into comics has always been overwhelming
crimson lance
best spidey story to get into without having to read anything else imo is ulimate spiderman
its a fresh universe so this time when spidey has a origin story its his first one, not his 7th one but this time someone else made it
It has a heavy focus on spiderman And rarley involves other people with their own comics
It has a good lenght of 143 chapters
crimson lance
Ultimate spiderman is my favorite because of the lack of hassle
You dont have to read anything else
jolly flint
It's pretty impressive that Spidey has been pretty decent for most of his run
Only hero I'd say has never really had a massive dip in quality is Flash
neon coral
Is there a good app for reading comics that has a good library? Ive always wanted to, but like Al said - It's overwhelming. Ease of access would make that better
crimson lance
app idk
but readcomicsonline good library
Not just marvel or dc, but pretty much any popular comic publisher
pale tapir
@sonic quail Honestly Al, the easiest way to get into Spidey is just read the Ultimate Spider-Man run
pale tapir
It's about 150 issues, and it basically distills all of Spider-Man's history into a much better less convoluted version
Exactly
crimson lance
You dont need to know any of spideys history
pale tapir
And it introduces Miles Morales
crimson lance
well
it does at the end
but thats not a focus of the 2000 run
that happens in the 2009 run
which is pretty bad imo
pale tapir
That was my gateway into comics tbh, yeah it does
Yeah for a while Spidey fell off in that small run
crimson lance
best part of 2009 was the ending
pale tapir
But it picked up again when ||the death of Spider-Man happened||
crimson lance
gave spidey a ||Proper death, compared to ultimatum||
pale tapir
Yes, it was the best way for it to show a proper conclusion
jolly flint
@neon coral comixology
pale tapir
Plus, Mark Bagley and Brian bendis being on the book together for most of the run gave it a very consistent feel
crimson lance
I liked the end of spideys 2000 run, my only issue is ||This was a big event, spidey didnt die honorably to save people he died because he wasnt needed for the big event||
jolly flint
Ultimate Spider Man is the best place to begin like Strong Right said
DO NOT start with The Night Gwen Stacy died
A lot of people make that mistake
pale tapir
After that you can dive in pretty much anywhere, I liked some of JMS's run
And some of Dan Slott's run
Basically everything from when Spidey worked at horizon to the end of superior Spider-Man
sonic quail
Ok thanks fellas
mighty mist
||I can't believe that there's a petition to revamp the entire Game of Thrones final season. :O||
mint kiln
How cute
crimson lance
theres a petition for everything
neon coral
I can't believe the internet is irrational /s lol
crimson lance
literally means nothing
I could go start a petition to over throw this discord
I could even get everyone to agree nothing would happen
crimson lance
Shush before i over throw you too
neon coral
Shit. Sorry.
I do wonder If GoT will get a FMA brotherhood treatment down the road though
crimson lance
nah
Would be cool, but finding another budget just to redo a mostly good show
They would have to recast everyone rebuild some things, start all over
just to fix the last 2 seasons
neon coral
Yeah but why make something original when you've got most of the groundwork already? Maybe animated would work better
crimson lance
Animated could work i guess
dim hedge
It was bound to happen. https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers
dim hedge
It won't do anything but it is nice to see a bunch of petitions flow in
copper phoenix
if what they say about d&d is true, I hope they never get another succesful job
also I hope they step on a lego
crimson lance
They already have a movie in the works with disney theyre making the new starwars
and its not like they need mroe money lol
copper phoenix
also hbo was willing to do more seasons, even grrm suggested more seasons
dim hedge
its a shame if that was the reason why they wrote season 8 like this
copper phoenix
there is something about the actor of ser barristan that made me mad if its true
crimson lance
it most likley is
do you mean the rumor about book 6 and 7 being finished
cause, i assure you its false, I could maybe beleive 6 is finish but 7 too thats crazy
crimson lance
wel
copper phoenix
he asked || d&d to not kill his character in that stupid attack of the harpy but they said it just made them want to kill him more ||
copper phoenix
ser barristan, I mean
crimson lance
But, i still beleive its false
copper phoenix
its kinda petty thing to do
dim hedge
I hope that isn't true
but if it comes
from the actor directly
then It is probably true
copper phoenix
idk man have you seen their interviews? they sound really arrogant
mighty mist
I still can't believe that there's a petition. 😐
dim hedge
People make petitions for everything
mighty mist
Yup.
dim hedge
I am more surprised that it took this long for one to come out
warped drift
makes u feel part of something i suppose
dim hedge
a movement 
sonic quail
I like how people will go out to petition this shit. Could u imagine if viewers had that much power
Especially when a good portion didnt actually pay to watch 
crimson lance
paying to watch wouldnt affect anything anyways
They paid for hbo not game of thrones if their reason for hbo was GOT thats their fault
And if hbo only had got and they bought it, still doesnt matter
sonic quail
Its still funny was my thing
dim hedge
lol
dim hedge
just have someone share their acc
feel like there is 40 other people on the HBO account I use
hard rapids
daenarys mental state plot looks rushed af
but since they gotta finish it in the next ep
i guess would be understandable
neon coral
Wondering how the finale will go. Hopefully the writers will be capable to close all their plotlines. I'm half expecting to wake up to a raging internet asking questions about what happened to X and Y, and why Z was never brought up.
hard rapids
there are already characters we dont know what happened to them
but they are sort of irrelevant
i think overall they didnt adapt it awfully, considering the books, they did pretty good job for tv. But its noticeable once they ran out of the books and they went out themselves.
crimson lance
They dont have to finish it next episode
hbo offered them funding for 10 eps
they turned it down
GRRM suggested more seasons than 8 to devolp things, its rushed because they wanted it to be rushed
neon coral
I still think its convenient for HBO to only bring that up after the show became poorly received.
crimson lance
Saying it ahead of time would kill hype
neon coral
It's similar to EA blaming devs/players. Just some scapegoat tactic.
hard rapids
Because they probably had their finale written. Idk the reasons why they didn't take it so i can't really critique much of it. It does feels to me daenarys plot character needed more time to go like the mad queen they want to show us now.
neon coral
and GRRM is dumb. He wanted a ridiculous amount of seasons.
crimson lance
i mean
hard rapids
they are gonna write prequels. Already confirmed.
Not sure if are the same though.
but this last ep will prob set down who gets the throne.
i doubt gonna have open ending
wait, is it alright spoilers here?
neon coral
It is not. spoiler tag spoilers lol
although im pretty sure most people have seen it by now, you can get in trouble.
aslong as you tag them though, its all good
hard rapids
ah, gotchu. Dunno hwo to do the tag in pc so i will just not share more xD
dim hedge
you might want to delete that
hard rapids
already on spoiler tag, relax lol
dim hedge
lol there is no rush, don't feel pressured
I am pretty sure by now it isn't considered a spoiler considering the episode has been out for a few days.. we just censor out of courtesy at this point
neon coral
GoT is reminding me of government branches with more budget than they need, so they waste it on dumb shit instead of something important.
dim hedge
btw
hard rapids
yeah
dim hedge
you might be rright
about the scrapegoat tactic
that HBO is pulling
but regardless if DD refused 10 episodes, that still triggers me 
hard rapids
Dude, the scene of Daenarys going flying to kings landing was dumb and just set up. Director said: 'dany sort of forgot of the iron fleet', it was literally mentioned 5 min earlier
neon coral
It's an easy way for HBO to wash their hands of it. For all we know, they kept pushing for less episodes with a higher budget while the producers/writers were arguing for more episodes.
crimson lance
You're defending people who dont need defending
dim hedge
GRRM wanted 10 seasons iirc
crimson lance
they did this to them selfs
hard rapids
theres not consistency
crimson lance
They wanted to work on star wars instead and this happended
neon coral
then HBO comes out and says that, while the producers/writers are under contract and can't say "no. they're lying". It's exactly what EA's been doing with most of its studios. If its a success, they claim its their success. If its a failure, they blame the studio.
dim hedge
but then I read somewhere GRRM wanted to push for 14 seasons
hard rapids
the series needed more seasons
dim hedge
which would have been insane
hard rapids
they have covered as much as they can but book has way more info
hard rapids
i think people would follow it if it went longer. Daenarys development needed more seasons imo.
dim hedge
considering a massive majority of HBO subscribers
are there only for GOT
longer the season = longer subscriptions = more money
crimson lance
Yeah hbo fucking got is so stupid they wouldnt do it
neon coral
if HBO had a set budget and wanted a bunch of flashy episodes, instead of slower paced ones that drag on, its possible. "go out with a bang" type thing.
Not like we'll ever know. But networks have pulled that move before.
dim hedge
The difference is that HBO is a subscription network
neon coral
either way, HBO has a lot of influence and say over shows on its network. They should've stood with the GoT people instead of throwing them under the bus
hard rapids
I think might have been personal decisions. Of not continue to work with em or the series itself. Series is pretty famous. But at the same time the extension with bad writing wouldnt pay off.
dim hedge
it could also be because of Star Wars
hard rapids
they dont longer have books backup, so the writing would be unsure to show the quality of early seasons.
crimson lance
its likley because of star wars
hard rapids
as it's not rn
dim hedge
HBO probably offered more episodes but DD wanted to get out of there asap to work on Star Wars
hard rapids
lol bye game of thrones
neon coral
Then there's the people saying Disney wanted to sabotage GoT because it sees HBO as competition lol
dim hedge
knowing that this season could have been amazing
crimson lance
Well they did offer more episodes according to their statement
But the Starwars thing is just speculation because thats their next project
dim hedge
oh so it is official.
dim hedge
full budget...
neon coral
did they say full budget for each episode?
dim hedge
god that's frustrating
oh well, you just have to accept it at this point
that petition is really funny but it isn't going to do anything
neon coral
I thought they only said they offered 10 episodes and that "each episode would've had a full budget" was something people threw in.
was under the impression It would've been 10 episodes with the budget of the 6 we're getting.
dim hedge
they probably did offer a full budget
for each episode
considering it was the final season
crimson lance
Either way, we would of gotten better quality than now
neon coral
but then the quality of the big moments wouldn't of been the same.
dim hedge
it was horrible, you could say complete trash
neon coral
the nightking battle, what happened with ||kings landing||, might've looked crap, or been a fraction of what we got.
dim hedge
if they had properly developed this ||mad queen|| storyline throughout the season with 10 eps
crimson lance
Wouldnt of looked crap
They spread out what they did, but throughout more episodes
dim hedge
this is also considering that they have full budget
crimson lance
And its not like hbo would let them go with things looking like crap, they would of gave them the budget they needed
dim hedge
for all 10 episodes
neon coral
but thats not how that works. If the budget for those 6 episodes got stretched to 10, the quality would've decreased for those key moments. I'm sure it would've worked anyways but than would just open up more complaints.
crimson lance
^
neon coral
Can someone link me this
neon coral
because again, I read that they wanted to offer 10 episodes. the "each episode would have had its own full budget" seems to be an assumption because what I originally read, was that the budget was for the season and would've been split across 10 episodes instead of 6.
crimson lance
Even if it is an assumption
They would give it an increased budget
Maybe not full budget per ep, but more than they would of got for 6 yeah
dim hedge
crimson lance
one of the d's said so himself
crimson lance
so its not hbo covering their asses
dim hedge
GRRM wanted the seasons to be 13 episodes long
@neon coral More recently, HBO offered the showrunners more money and time to at least add more episodes to the final season, after eight seasons, the last two being shortened, was concocted as a compromise.
neon coral
yeah but thats the part that added it. the source they claim doesn't show that. not that I've seen.
dim hedge
I mean one of the d's said it themselves, HBO wanted it to continue
neon coral
Where lol
dim hedge
as William screenshotted above
neon coral
but wht he showed is the source. and they make no mention of "more money"
hard rapids
one thing to point out is the good shoots though
dim hedge
That quote comes from https://ew.com/tv/2019/04/09/game-of-thrones-season-8-showrunners-interview/
but obviously
if there were more episodes
there would be a bigger budget
neon coral
HBO likely gave them a seasonal budget and they decided to use it across 6 episodes instead of 10. I'm sure 10 would've gotten great ratings too but then they wouldnt have been able to do the big things they wanted to.
dim hedge
No, HBO offered more money. They would have gotten a bigger budget
neon coral
and HBO's always gonna push for more episodes because it extends HBO subscriptions.
dim hedge
for 10 episodes
neon coral
Again, they never said this.
dim hedge
it wouldn't have been the budget
neon coral
Forbes made that up.
dim hedge
We don't know that.
neon coral
We do.
neon coral
It's like if I say
dim hedge
There isn't a confirmation that it is the truth or a confirmation that it is made up
We do know for a fact though that HBO wanted more episodes
crimson lance
Even if its made up, basic logic would make you beleive that they would get more money for more episodes
dim hedge
and logically more episodes
neon coral
dude. if someone writes something, and posts a source, and that source doesn't back up the statement, then its bull.
neon coral
their source is the EW interview. The quote that William posted.
dim hedge
“We’ll give you the resources to make this what it needs to be, and if what it needs to be is a summer tentpole-size spectacle in places, then that’s what it will be.”
neon coral
That's not saying they'd give those 4 other episodes their own full budget.
dim hedge
but that doesn't say that they would be stretching the budget of the 6 episodes for 10 either
I am just saying it would be illogical
to want more episodes especially
for the biggest show that you have ever ran on your network
and not give a bigger budget
Final season as well*
neon coral
If you're given a budget, its your budget. If you decide you can do it in 6 episodes so you can do everything you want, because 10 would eat up the CGI budget, then thats that. In the end, Forbes made that line up and has nothing to back itself up. That's a fact. They just made the assumption that more episodes = more budget. It's an easy assumption to make, but It's incorrect. Shows get seasonal budgets, then the people in charge decided how and where to spend it.
crimson lance
They dont get their seasonal budget until after they decide how many eps they get
if hbo wanted 10 seasons they would of given them a seasonal budget for it likley not stretch the 6 ep budget
And if they didnt do that, they would of increased the budget at least
dim hedge
And I highly doubt they wouldn't be willing to increase the budget for their most popular show
in it's final season
but
we will never know the truth
we can just accept that DD wanted to do 6 episodes
neon coral
Except the truth that Forbes made stuff up and that's what people are using as an argument.
dim hedge
I haven't given that interview a read but it is probably the conclusion they drew from it, yet again I don't know anything about Forbes and how credible they can be
we do live in the age of fake news
Oh well, I am just really disappointed in the season and searching for answers
neon coral
I am too. Even if its the same budget, I would've taken it across 10 episodes instead of 6. I don't watch GoT to see ||Dragons destroy entire cities|| . I watch it for the political stuff, the story, the dialogue, the plot. Even the winterfell battle could've been done entirely different.
and that thing I spoiled tagged, and the winterfell battle, must've cost A LOT
they had weird priorities.
Also, until a few days ago, I thought it was 7 episodes lol
dim hedge
well off to bed I go, good night
neon coral
Should probably delete that. discussing leaks, or anything about them isn't allowed
dim hedge
👍
hard rapids
We could suggest a spoilers chat? has it been suggested before?
It sorta cut ppl explanation sometimes cos we gotta be careful with spoilers
neon coral
Yeah but its not happening. it's over in a few days anyways.
crimson lance
This is a spoilers chat
Spoilers are allowed here
If people want to use || They can
If people come here expecting anything other than spoilers they're in teh wrong place
neon coral
new episodes = spoiler tag. Old ones, its a courtesy. Leaks are not allowed at all though.
scenic terrace
What Rebelled states is true.
leaks are not allowed in any capacity, even behind spoiler tags
neon coral
So Ryan Reynolds wanted to do a "Noir" voice for the Pikachu movie. Then suggested other accents and stuff but they made it really clear to him they wanted Deadpool. lol
stuck vector
omg
paper swallow
there is about 75% chance that one piece will end the way GOT did. Rushed and with cheap twitst
tribal tundra
One piece is the exact opposite of a rushed story
fluid merlin
I think the pace might eve slow cown at the end, and Oda will really take his time to show everything that he has in his mind
tribal tundra
Also oda has most likely already made drafts of important upcoming plot things, all he really needs to do is execute everything properly which is one of his strengths
I really feel like were good
fluid merlin
Yeah
dim hedge
Yo... I'd be disappointed af if One Piece turned out rushed like GoT's ending.
imagine the last year of one piece being rushed like this 😂
Hi guys, just woke up.
dim hedge
It slow
Very slow
GoT was so rushed hell they killed off every character that was relevant in the novel
And the cast would be a lot more larger like 10 times larger
Robert bastards. The amount of additional characters
Every northern house are still active. The Mormonts are still there and so on
dim hedge
Robert Bastardeon as I liked to call him 😂
mighty mist
Oda would never rush One Piece's ending.
And still, I can't believe there's a petition to revamp season eight! 😮
dim hedge
it won't do anything... as others have mentioned.
I don't know if a petition has ever actually done anything as of late...
tribal tundra
Plus arent the contracts of all the actors up and shit
They gonna have to get em back and the actors would probably make themselves more expensive because theyd know they are needed
Too much of a hassle its worthless
jolly flint
Uhm
Do people generally consider Identity Crisis to be good?
Cause I kinda hate this
neon coral
a good ending is difficult, no matter who you are. So I'm sure its gonna have its own controversy when Oda gets around to it. People just have to accept it for what it is.
tribal tundra
Thats true but oda has already has a general idea of the end. The ending was the reason he probably even started writing the story because he knew what it was gonna be and if you look at the general plot of one piece it all the things are all connected to one thing. He originally planned it to be only 5 years old but he just expanded the universe due to its popularity
mighty mist
I know I'll accept it, Rebelled.
tribal tundra
The problem is that a lot of authors think of an interesting concept and they put it in their story not really thinking about the impact it might have in connecting it to the overall plot later on. Then they either have to change it or never use it again. In op the main storyline seems to be all connected, there doesn’t seem to be any important plot elements that are not somehow connected to the story
mint kiln
Tell your friend that they are fucking stupid if they think this will lead to anything
mint kiln
It still won't lead to anything 
neon coral
CNN Breaking News: Fan Petition leads to HBO re-negotiating contracts with actors, writers, showrunners, directors, and to re-hire thousands of extras, as well as rebuild entire sets, and spend over 100 million on a new season of GoT.
scenic terrace
Hey, I’ll have you know enough bitching got Crunchyroll to change certain subtitles
dim hedge
change happens wherever there's enough money/popularity to back it
mint kiln
Nah
When there's both
And this petition, like every one before it, only has one
I doubt any of the people that signed this garbage are willing to pay a single cent
dim hedge
spin offs are already in the make so the re-negotiating is mute where there's a will to make money
pay for what
?
for hbo?
copper phoenix
without the books it has high chances of being shit again
scenic terrace
There was a report on how many people pirated episode 1 of s8 and it was 40-60%
copper phoenix
just shit with a different glazing
copper phoenix
its kinda funny about the spin off
hbo already invested in it and I believe some people will boycott it
dim hedge
why would anyone boycott it
scenic terrace
If it’s a subject I’m interested I’ll definitely watch
copper phoenix
because some people only subscribe to hbo for game of thrones
dim hedge
what's that got to do with the spin offs
considering they're a continuation most of those people should switch over
copper phoenix
they wont subscribe anymore?
dim hedge
that's not boycotting
dim hedge
and anyone who is upset with GoT should have their attention directed at D&D
who aren't writing the spin offs
copper phoenix
that's cool and all but fans dont care about that
neon coral
I was watching GoT because I was invested into it from the start. Honestly, I'm passing on spin offs. Im sure I'm not the only one. Just not that interested by them, or how much of a hassle it will be to access them.
copper phoenix
look people will look upon hbo adaptations with new eyes again, regardless of d$d involvement
pirates are irrevalant here, they dont have any say in it
neon coral
Well, the people who pay for HBO need some incentive to keep subbing.
dim hedge
GoT was always only like 2 months lol
copper phoenix
like I said, a lot of people only sub to hbo for this particular series
dim hedge
it'll be no different for anyone who bought it only for GoT
they'll unsub the same way they always would have when the show is over
and many stay for the other series on hbo
their numbers have always fluctuated heavily because of this
it won't change very much
copper phoenix
hbo has some quality series but no a single one is as popular as got
not even close
neon coral
Because of how much of a pain it is. If paying for HBO meant I'd have ease of access, I'd consider it, even if its overpriced.
copper phoenix
everyone and their dogs know what got is
dim hedge
Yeah like i said
the same people would have unsubbed once the season is over anyway
like they have every year
jolly flint
Wait
copper phoenix
there is also bluray sales
jolly flint
Don't some people just have HBO for Game of Thrones?
dim hedge
yeah that's what we're talking about
neon coral
I wonder if HBO might cancel one, or multiple spin offs, after what's going on with the current season.
neon coral
Seems like it's become a high risk investment.
copper phoenix
for now
neon coral
Are the shows already filming? I know nothing of them.
copper phoenix
also its about public image
even hbo had to release a pr thing explaining it was d&d's decision to cut the season short
they want to get away from their bad image
neon coral
But the idea of making multiple spin offs when a show is a huge success vs It being where the internets been directed its hate lately
copper phoenix
but some people dont really care and will blame hbo either way
neon coral
that's HBO throwing their writers under the bus.
copper phoenix
they kinda deserve it lmao
neon coral
I've said it before, it's no different than EA blaming its developers.
its some shit "fuck you" tactic to try to wash your hands of a mistake
and they know nobody can say anything back because of contracts/lawsuits.
neon coral
D&D went with 6 episodes for their seasonal budget, instead of spreading it across 10 episode. HBO approved it. Now HBO won't even take some of the blame.
copper phoenix
gods I was strong then
I partially blame hbo
they should've fired those 2 cunts but they took the risk
changing show runners could be risky too
neon coral
10 episodes with the same budget as those 6 episodes could've worked for the slow paced storytelling, politics, character development, etc. But people would've called it boring, and we wouldn't have gotten the Winterfell, or Kings landing battle that we got.
neon coral
they took a risk and messed up.
10 episodes would've been enough IMO. Wouldn't have been as flashy as the 6 we got but It would've let them explain things better, instead of just being in your face about character development
Could more season have been even better? Sure but hype might die down from that, and ratings could be affected too. Like Walking Dead. Have the ratings been affected at all by this seasons quality?
tribal tundra
All we really needed was 2 seasons of i guess 6 episodes
This one for the white walkers
So when they defeat them there would be enough time to let the hype die off
Then this season on the second war
Another i mean
mighty mist
And I don't see why they can't just get a different actor to play Jamal Lyon in Empire.
neon coral
is that because of that guy who pulled the racist stunt?
Sucks when shows, and everyone working on them get tainted by one person.
neon coral
If you're gonna spoiler tag stuff can you atleast tell us what its about lol
winter cipher
they won't do it
season 8 was made because they wanted to rush the end of the series
they had to make comprimises
plus, their contracts expired
jolly flint
I feel bad for GoT fans
copper phoenix
it kinda sucks being betrayed by george and later dumb&dumber
neon coral
It's the best plot twist/surprise death the show's ever pulled off. lol
dim hedge
scenic terrace
Me included in both 
broken fossil
lmao
dim hedge
Liu bei and Sun Quan armies unite together to face the Armies of the North
Commentator: Different north
scenic terrace
My mom is super excited for the bang theory series finale tonight
fluid merlin
Why even bother making spin offs when tbey couldnt end the main series properly? 🤦
neon coral
$$$
keep the subscriptions going.
but I still think what's going on right now, is going to affect those spin offs and could lead to cancellations
copper phoenix
well tbf the spin offs probably have the source material already
there is a lot of juicy stuff that comes before the show started
for example || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1zsvHusfPQ ||
mighty mist
@neon coral Yes, Rebelled. That's why Empire's ending. 😦
sage sleet
I like empire
hard rapids
They literally gaining signatures for it
copper phoenix
hm, I have a slight suspicion why it has so many dislikes but I'll not go there
anyway it looks fine to me
but just another dc movie I'll probably pirate
sage sleet
guessing you mean because of the girl power bits
it's not a movie
it's a series coming to the cw
Ruby rose is batwoman
copper phoenix
ok, now I'm reconsidering
cuz of tv series
the only superhero series that I liked was daredevil and jessica jones
the rest 
sage sleet
the flash is on and off for me
copper phoenix
I actually watched a lot of seasons of arrow lmao
sage sleet
arrow was good but quickly killed itself
copper phoenix
ye it was fun
sage sleet
the flashbacks were the best part
I like batwomans costume
story might be cool but I don't have many expectations
looks like the dumbed down alice
the main villain
copper phoenix
dude that red wig reminds of uma thurman's poison ivy
sage sleet
ruby rose aint the best actor but she looks decent in this
might be the editing
the wig is a nice touch
copper phoenix
oooh she is that girl from jonh wick
sage sleet
funny they added it to distinguish batwoman from batman
I only know her from orange is the new black
yeah she was in john wick
stuck vector
the flash was good for like 2 seasons but then went downhill. same for arrow.
mighty mist
Bummer. 😦
copper phoenix
felicity
sage sleet
felicity was nice at the start and overnight became the worst part
dim hedge
@copper phoenix Those battle videos are really entertaining
copper phoenix
yea this is one of my favorite channels
pale tapir
Did anyone watch season 7?
I dropped it Midway to binge through eventually
It didn't seem like a very interesting story to me at the time
pale tapir
Same William
tribal tundra
Did u guys watch the catwoman trailer
pale tapir
What
tribal tundra
Wtf is this shit lmao
tribal tundra
I dare u guys to watch it till the end
Wait it’s actually batwoman LOL
Just when i thought it couldn’t be any worse
crimson lance
well if you watched more than 2 seconds of the trailer you'd know
copper phoenix
catwoman lmao
rapid cobalt
Endgame.|| why the fuck did tony snap why didnt he just run away with the stones||
fast grotto
||where would he run to? is there a reason for him not to snap? ||
rapid cobalt
|| not like he can follow you into the exoshpere||
fast grotto
spoiler tag that
rapid cobalt
|| then he wouldnt have to die ||
fast grotto
||so you run away with the gauntlet, then what do you do with thanos and his army?||
rapid cobalt
|| let the magician and infinity stone captain and all the rest deal with them they were already winning||
fast grotto
||But did you know that they would win? or are you only assuming that. remember that Dr. Strange looked through the millions of possible outcomes and this was the only one where they won||
rapid cobalt
|| there was still a good chance they would win and even if they did start to lose he could use the stones to wipe them out and bring them back ||
fast grotto
|| but you're still assuming that they'd win in that scenario when Dr. Strange very specifically said this was the ONLY way they'd win. also, when you say he could use the stones to wipe them out and bring them back wdym? if he uses the stones to "wipe them out" wouldn't he be dying regardless? ||
rapid cobalt
|| he would have time to fly up into the stratosphere and call someone who can hold the power od the stones like thor or cap marvel whould snap them out of existence ||
|| if they start losing||
fast grotto
|| like i keep saying, the crux of the situation is that the only way they'd win is through tony's sacrifice. you can think of all of these alternate scenarios, but what dr strange suggested is still the most important underlying factor in all of this ||
you can write your own fan fic if you want
rapid cobalt
Ig
scenic terrace
I mean it’s sort of bs that dr strange didn’t see a way to win with the guardians of galaxy + himself Spider-Man and Ironman when in one of those 14 million universes, they should have succeeded in getting the glove off back in Infinity Wars
But you just take it as it is
stuck vector
bruhhh rob pattinson as batman
copper phoenix
twilight knight
neon coral
Yeah. I figured the 1 win scenario was "If star-lord isn't a dickwad to Thanos" lol
is the twilight guy seriously batman now?
that batwoman show looks shit. Just screams "let's show the world how strong women are". they'll probably make her pass comments about how men suck, she'll be a lesbian and they're gonna have intense make out/touching scenes between women because the people in charge love that shit.
i thought he was gonna be batman on CW and that sucked to me
but he's gonna be Batman in the movies. lmao
mighty mist
I thought marimo was joking about Robert Pattinson as Batman! D:
neon coral
mighty mist
D:
neon coral
I guess they're going for someone who can stay on as Batman for multiple movies
but they always do and it always ends up being a mess.
Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern is looking pretty good right now
neon coral
yeah but they want Robert and the deal seems pretty done.
sonic quail
I dont want him
neon coral
He is a good actor. he's more than twilight. But he's more of a Dick Grayson than a Bruce Wayne
scenic terrace
Probably an overtold joke by now but I guess all vampires actually can turn into bats
neon coral
Don't need to do anything. It's DC. they'll sabotage themselves.
sonic quail
neon coral
They could bodycam the real batman to make a movie and still fuck it up
rapid cobalt
All vampires can turn into bats huh
neon coral
A good Batman movie would need to have a nearly silent protagonist, and be horror style.
Where Batman is the monster.
neon coral
That's why some of the animated ones worked so well. Batman wasn't that relevant in the suicide squad animated movie. but he was scary. just the mention of him
sonic quail
We know who batman is
neon coral
then when he did show up, holy shit.
sonic quail
Never watched it
neon coral
what we saw of batman in the justice league movie, in the beginning - was kinda like that
neon coral
A good Batman movie would need to show the perspective of the criminals.
sonic quail
Yea
neon coral
from the low level thugs, to the bosses.
Or like Godzilla
where Batman only shows up at the end, after all the build up and suspense, and the small glimpses you got to see.
sonic quail
They should incorporate the bat fam into the dceu
Overtime
Some build up
Lots of timeskips tho
neon coral
the robins would be interesting
rapid cobalt
Titans should just go away
neon coral
I was expecting a twist with suicide squad where joker wasn't joker but a fucked up Jason Todd.
sonic quail
Night wing too
rapid cobalt
They ruin teen titans more and more everyday
neon coral
DC just needs to take a break and re-evaluate themselves.
sonic quail
The live action show is at least enjoyable to me
Defo better than what the trailers lead us to believe
neon coral
I don't get how they can keep coming out with amazing animated movies, while the live action stuff, keeps turning out so bad
sonic quail
Idk man
They should just put more money into animate stuff tbh
But i know general audiences wont watch the animated stuff
neon coral
We can hope that into the spiderverse, will make DC wanna copy Marvel in that aspect too
neon coral
I think a good animated movie can do well on the big screen.
sonic quail
Yea true true
neon coral
DC's strongsuit is exactly that. If they're willing to take risks on casting people like edward from twilight, and constantly reboot all their movies, they should just take a risk and go for a really good animated film.
sonic quail
Im just thinking if they adapt like the trinity war-forever evil comics-darkseid war
Thatd be godly
I agree
They could potentially make some great animate stuff man
neon coral
the guy who played the wolf on twilight is pretty funny though. I like him. But he's a tv actor now
scenic terrace
Best shark
neon coral
he replaced andy samberg in a UK comedy series and did pretty well
sonic quail
Lmao adam
neon coral
- taylor lautner has adam sandlers approval
sonic quail
stuck vector
a genuine question, but why do you think batwoman is going to flop just because it shows a strong female superhero + has lgbt representation?
i personally do not like ruby rose that much but i am genuinely curious
dim hedge
I am intrigued. Hopefully it appeals
She way more extreme than Batman in her methods
Hopefully it works
Never like the whole No kill Bs of Batman
vapid marlin
Probably won't flop, but it's the batwoman from a pretty bad comic
The older version just had a higher quality read
so i assume they'll follow the new plotline, which ain't that hot
neon coral
Because It's a show made for that purpose. It's not made as a passion project because someone understands and loves the character of Batwoman. It's made to sell to a teenage LBGT audience. Similar to how Arrow & Flash started out strong, before degenerating into what they are today. DC TV has a really bad habit of giving into the fans and providing fanservice, while forsaking what the series was meant to be.
neon coral
and by fans, I mean the loud people on social media.
vapid marlin
Idk about all that, but. the batwoman they're using is from a garbage set of comics
so for real fans, it is likely to be disappointing
neon coral
I don't like how the perception of "a strong woman" is one who hates men, and is a lesbian. That has nothing to do with it, but that's what they're trying to associate it with. It's like a tumblr passion project, more than a batwoman one.
sonic quail
Aw damn
vapid marlin
well. "real"
sonic quail
“”Real””
vapid marlin
i don't mean to diss the other fans
sonic quail
stuck vector
i think having representation is much better than being queerbaited, and as i myself am LGBTQ, i’m glad that shows are becoming more inclusive. i do not yet know how they will handle a lesbian character because the cw has a pretty horrible reputation in how they write their female characters
sonic quail
Im new to batwoman stuff
crimson lance
isnt batwoman always lesbian
sonic quail
The trailer didnt look too bad
sonic quail
Oh lol