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it's okay
SHUT UP
l;ol
book 3 awaits you....
It doesn't bother me at all
because I don't read for prose
Like mediocre prose doesnt bother me if the story is good
I rarely find good prose in the "amazing prose" books so idk
Robin Hobb has great prose
read her books
i intend to
Going from Jay Kristoff to Brandon Sanderson makes me care a LOT about prose now.
likely after i tackle malazan
I didn't like Zan's prose
the invisible life of addie larue is garbage
and im taking on malazan after i read stormlight
I said this take here and got grilled š
"great prose" and its glorified slop
rip
We are mathematically correct on this. So correct, you could prove it with numbers.
oh yeah Octavia Butler has great prose too
Many such cases
The prose improves in tsa but then gets worse again
and uhh I can only think of that many
Wind and Truth ||I knew I wasn't crazy.....||
you mean stormlight archive right?
yea
Ye
it's a common take Buffy
Started with row
I don't feel a considerable difference
wonder why
it's been invisible for me in every of his book other than Tress
oh btw
speaking of great prose, this clash of kings reread is hitting extra hard due to my brainrot
nice
Reading fonda lee made me realise u can do worse simple prose so i am ambivalent on brandos prose now
crazy fonda lee hate
what's the brainrot a reference to?
A knight of the seven kingdom
ive never heard this argument levied against fonda lee before
AKOTSK yeah
It's mirio so I don't take his opinions seriously anyway 
Is Knight of the seven kingdoms a bad show? I'm purposely not wathcing it at the moment.
lol
its incredible
a good number of people like it more than GoT
ok good to know
why would i have ASOIAF brainrot if not for AKOTSK being good
i've yet to read that book or fire and blood
i don't think I fully grasp the term "brainrot" to be honest
people were doing a season wise ratings and akotsk was in 2nd or 3rd place a lot
perfect season of TV imo
idk haven't watched yet
I would say 1-4 is better
when's the next dunk and egg show harsh
GOT 5-8 is incredibly mid
next year? two years later?
Next year
Stormlight all ||Idk the Fabrial mechanics made the climax of the book hit so much harder for me with Kaladin having to figure out shit in Die Hard mode, getting to control it better and then be badass||
next season is coming in 2027
I just got fed up with her. She would imply something in character dialogue and then proceed to explain that implication for a paragraph
the only shows I think i'll watch soon-ish is OPLA season 2 and Ponies (it's nice to see Emelia Clarke doing a new tv show).
Itās far better than house of mid
i dont like the first 4 seasons of GOT anymore because of how trash the rest of it is
I don't think I would manage to sit through another OPLA season
Stormlight book 4 ||Was that the glove thingy and/or the elevator mechanics of Urithiru?||
maybe a drunk watch
but i do like watching great scenes from it
I donāt think I can sit through another house of the dragon season
Stormlight 4 ||It was the same mechanic for both yea||
lol
Stormlight 4 || Idk why you would think like b1 had better payoff with that stuff when b4's discussion of mechanics works for payoff in multiple fronts and multiple aspects of the story with multiple characters ||
Harsh I finished Stormlight 5!
harsh hasn't read post OB
you're ahead of me bro
I know
awesome to know fr
Harsh has a better series to read now
hope you enjoyed it
To motivate you
Stormlight 4 ||Yeah, then we are different in that regard. Those kind of technical details, regardless of pay off, can make my eyes glaze over. Same thing with the flight mechanics of those "airships" - for lack of a better term - they were using to travel with in the 4th book.||
George had like a meltdown because how bad the series is
Apparently he fell out with the creator
ryan condal is a fucking idiot
GRRM too old for meltdowns. take care of your heart buddy
dumb and dumber level idiot
have some red wine
well hold on now
Itās quite interesting George was never openly angry with D and D
But heās like openly talking shit about Condal
because HoTD has a finished source material
he never was, he expected the show to continue for more seasons and was kinda disappointed
GoT season 7 and 8 ||I'm not letting "grrm didn't finish the books" be an excuse for how bad season 7 and 8 were. That was bad even by tv show writing standards by a large margin. ||
condal is actively deviating from established story
and GOT changed significantly in adaptation from the books
What can he even do to DnD. "I am angry with you cuz you didn't adapt my books well cuz I didn't finish writing them"?
by the 4th season its a completely different beast to the books
5th season is where you really notice the change, but it starts in season 4
atleast for HoTD it's a complete story with the showrunner being in proper comms with GRRM for s1
season 5 is like filler to me
it quite literally is right?
nothing worth remembering happens in it
GoT season 5 || is it the high sparrow? ||
yeah
GOT season 5 ||and Arya starts faceless stuff ||
GOT season 5 ||and the utterly stupid dorne plotline||
GoT s5 || I liked the faceless stuff tbf ||
GoT season 5 and 6 are sometimes held aloft by ||the big moments like Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards. but getting to those moments is the problems. and horrible writing decisions like the Sandsnakes.||

GOT season 6 ||at least season 6 has battle of the bastards and that incredible finale||
GOT season 6 ||faceless stuff just has a weird ending; she kills the waif and now sheās suddenly no one? And then she gets to leave without any punishment after getting all their training? Idk ||
GoT season 6 ||Arya's storyline with the Waif was just shit||
GOT s6 ||there's no concept of consequence like in the books||
bingo
Got season 6 || and then she gets stabbed like 6 times in the stomach and survives lmfao ||
Got season 6 || jumps into the water and turns into a track star with 6 stab wounds ||
GoT s6 || I mean, Stark children are basically immortal after a point ||
Stormlight all ||WaT's focus on explaining connection mechanics explains a lot of stuff from previous books and also is a major way the plot gets resolved, with Shallan figuring out BAM and Dalinar w Honor||
GOT s6 ||the show sucks so bad because writers dont think like martin about the wide ranging after effects of events, so even big moments like the red wedding, which in the books are extra consequential for the sheer magnitude of its madness, the show doesnt adequately plot out what it means for the world when shit like that happens||
true
but eh it's a different case
I don't think that part would have bothered Buffy like the RoW one did
GOT s6 ||the freys are wrung out currently in the books, no one likes them and are actively in line to slime them, the lannisters loose their shit after tywin dies, the boltons are about to be fucked over by stannis||
WaT || It's not mechanical. Very detailed isn't a concern I think||
GoT season 5 ||I will give props to Hardhome though, they encapsulated the horror genre and the feeling of helplessness against a frozen zombie horde perfectly. I think to this day, it's my favorite event in the entire series, including great ones like the Red and Purple Weddings.||
GoT s6/books || stannis is still alive? ||
GOT s5 ||hardholme standalone is good but it sucks in the grand scheme||
Apparently another game of thrones prequel is in the works also
yes
||It is p mechanical the way its portrayed, with Navani figuring out how to escape|| WaT
ASOIAF ||aegon's conquest||
GoT all and all of ASOIAF ||He is currently alive in A Dance with Dragons||
damn
Got || aegons landing ? ||
With the general success and praise of AKOTSK I wonder if the showrunners for that show will actually listen to George lol
Are those movies well acclaimed
think its a miniseries
Got || wonder if they show valyria ||
the batman is acclaimed yes, part 2 is going to come out next year
WaT || i think that part is more close to TWOK's handling of it than Row's ||
The Batman was a great time
(about part 2 coming out next year)
ASOIAF ||if anything i wanna see the doom of valyria and daenys the dreamer||
Probably not necessary
too bad Batman Returns is the greatest Batman movie.
I will likely get back to Words of Radiance sometime this month
Thats the lore i am most interested in š
ASOIAF || Aegon was born in Westeros so itās unlikely they go further back then that||
Phantasm or Red Hood Buffy
just read A World of Ice and Fire lol
ASOIAF || and there may be some things that George isnāt ready about Old Valyria ||
Probably Red Hood. Think with Phantasm, it's just a recency bias
Consequence of never finishing the books
I think i saw that in my library
AWOIAF ||But whether you can trust the maesters who wrote that history is another thing||
Red Hood I never saw, and i barely remember the former as a kid.
ASOIAF ||aegon was born on dragonstone yes but daenys the dreamer and how the targs escaped valyria is a pretty important aspect of the overall story||
i'm not like a batman fan or anything, i've just seen most of the live action ones
yes rewatch it
best batman film ever
vouching as the biggest batman fan in this server
ASOIAF || I think we may see a few shots of old Valeria at best in the into scene and then skip to the birth of Aegon||
Though honestly if all ASOIAF things this is probably the least Iām interested in
ASOIAF ||yeah i'm not expecting to see an extended version of it, maybe a few scant shots||
I think if Phantasm was tad bit longer, it would have been unequivocally at top
@sage remnant any good WaT art
Fire and Blood || Aegonās conquest is mostly surrender or Iāll burn you alive, and the people that surrender live and the people that donāt die, except Dorne ||
ASOIAF ||i want an arcane/spider-verse style animated show of the blackfyre rebellions||
Would be perfect
right?
Iām surprised it doesnāt exist already
Maybe they think the general GOT audience wouldnāt find appeal in animation?
with a knight of the seven kingdoms idk if its in the pipeline
Most of my friends irl have watched GOT but I donāt think theyāll touch an animated show
because the show will cover some of that aspect of the time period as they're major parts of the novellas
bazillion got spinoffs never letting other fantasy adaptations to see the light of the day š
Skill issue
sure
Theyāre a big investment
Better to go with a series thatās guaranteed to succeed
ye ik how the reasoning works
well atleast with Cameron adapting The Devils, First Law would be adapted
why not live action?
why not animated
How my LOTR friends feel about the animated movie that came out in 2024
Wonāt even give it a chance
wasn't it not well received by even people who watch animated stuff?
I have no clue I havenāt watched it 
i would love a fucking animated spider-verse style show adapting the silmarillion
you mean War of the Rohirrim right
yeah
lmaoo
yeah in general its not that compelling a film
I donāt think the Silmarillion can ever fully be successfully brought to film or animation ever. Itās just too extensive, and it brings up too many other questions from the 16 other books that Tolkienās son had to piece together
LOTR Rings of Power episode 1: ||I finally gave it a chance. This shit is absolutely awful. I have unironically never been so disgusted with television in my entire life than I am with this slop.||
why would you knowingly put yourself through it
yeah i know but its something i wanna see regardless
i read the silmarillion thrice
yeah same it would be amazing but it would take a lot of time and passion and money put together. those three things rarely go hand in hand simultaneously
Also me trying to force my friends into watching Arcane
Some of them are still so stuck in the animation=for children
And one of them is a huge Simpsons guy too so it makes no sense
reminds me I haven't watched s2
with how much dislike there is for that, don't wanna as well atp
I visit the arcane subreddit here and then and theyāre still malding about it
Very successful season 1 to horrible season 2 seems very common
Casual fans were mostly ok with it, dedicated fans hated it
I have only read on convo about it in this and two other servers
Idk I am only in servers where people who watch/read media engage with it properly š
But that subreddit has become a cesspool. They all hate into it and feed into each others hate making them hate it even more
Makes discussion pointless at that point
a subreddit becoming a cesspool. typical reddit
Itās like a mini pirate folk sometimes
Arcane season 2 I think just has bad character writing but the production is still top notch so you can forgive some of it
what I read about it was it really had a bad exploration of || revolution and effects|| Arcane s2
Arcane season 2 || I was kind of upset when they made Ekkoās main love interest Jinx as if she hasnāt been getting kill streaks on his friends and family for like the past 7 years ||
So are you the odd Duck out?
I engage with the media the most fr fr fr
Thoughts on hxh?
wrong channel

also not sure what I think of some media does with that statement but sure
doesnt need much of a reading into the text of arcane season 2 to know it sucks
Peak
Pls happen pls happen pls happen
overwatch already been animation for a long time iykyk 
This dude jerks his penis š
Dude an overwatch TV show would gen be peak
Idc who you are there would be no reason not to watch
Salem's Lot ||I'm such a fucking dumbass. I got a few moments to start the prologue this afternoon and aaaaalllll these years I had no idea that it was short for Jerusalem's Lot. I thought this story was gonna be about witchcraft in Salem, MA. To be fair, I'm only like two pages in, so god only knows what horrors might appear, and maybe Salem, MA does play a role ('cause I'm banking on some wordplay).||
after some time sitting with it I'd lower my score but it definitely is still good imo. But its going for something different than season 1, and I think that whiplash of what its attempting vs what s1 was attempting causes a lot of people grief.
They've explicitly stated there was a shift in direction and have been vocal that iirc they realize that was a mistake in terms of fan reception. So whatever they do next will probably go back to focusing on the same things s1 did.
ultimately, s1 for me was a 10/10 and s2 ended up being like a high 8 for me. But Id drop that to an 8 even
its a good show and I think if s1 had the same style of writing that s2 had, without a prior season to compare it to, people would have loved it
but because s1 did such an amazing job exploring its characters with so much focus, s2's shift in focus got more backlash
as a comparison
oathbringer early || ever since he was sort of self aware of his failures at the end of wor ive been rooting for Elhokar to become a good king ||
Oathbringer early ||I think I might've had similar thoughts. And if not, I definitely warmed up to him more after that.||
That would be awesome tbh. I remember first discovering Overwatch as a kid through those animated shorts. Especially the Widowmaker and Genji ones
They get some of those Blender artists that made it popular in the first place and it'll definitely catch some attention
Just saw the Korean horror movie the wailing for the first time , I know Iām late af , but it was brilliant
was it scary
It was great at building dread , and putting you in the mind of the mc , no jump scares , 10/10
they already said they werew going to do a TV show and then it got cancelled
@sage remnant WaT ending ||Why was Taln trying to kill Cultivation???||
Find out on Next episode of ~~Dragon Ball Z ~~ Stormlight Archives
WaT ending ||Also is the fourth moon relevant do you think?||
Yes
WaT || Could be a shard hiding ||
WaT || Part one of Stormlight focused on "Honor", "Cultivation" and" Odium" the shards and the concept.
We have Retribution now, and the concept in Moash, who's literally and figuratively the agent of retribution.
So for that I think its Valor. What's best to describe Adolin, Lift, Urithiru, Azir and others who are fighting an impossible battle, showing great courage in the face of unbelievable danger ||
@brave orbit
WaT ending ||Could it be the Shard Odium destroyed a while ago||
Not really
WaT ending/Cosmere all || that's the Elantris shard||
|| And another is the forest of Hell book one shard ||
WaT ending / Forest of hell ||that one Shard would be cool if it was always here and was responsible for the shadows in the Spiritual Realm and the voices tormenting Szeth in earlier books (i dont mean Ishar)||
WaT || I don't think Mental health issues should be retconned to be magic thingy ||
Cosmere all/WaT || But no, Cosmere mechanics as we know it would imply that Shard to be dead to cause that effect ||
WaT ||Well we already know dead people are present in the Spiritual Realm, with Evi in OB etc||
|| It's echoes of the past/memories ||
WaT
It strikes a fine line of not being too much
imagine if brando goes full oda...
He already went that way in Hero of Mid and people gobbled it up
I hate that book yes. Shit book but amazing ending
wait what exactly are you talking about
yea but what part
|| Mainly the epigraphs revealing the stuff before it organically comes in the book. But I think it handles characters arc badly or just meh for anyone except Spook || HoA
is that why you said he went full oda
midborn part 2 is kinda mid I can't lie
im on book 3 and the series really hasnt hit so far, it's just kinda alright
of era 1?
2
era 1 was good
anyway @brave orbit now that you've read all of stormlight || what do you think is gonna be the time skip before part 2 ||
Stormlight all ||Brandon said 15-20 years, Oroden would be the same age as Kaladin in Book 1||
that's kinda banger
Paramount has revealed new details about their merger with Warner Bros:
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Cant wait to watch the Superman sequel and to hear āimmigrants are bad, actuallyā
What do you think
of these in paper
bad
not what they could be but of what they are promisiing rn
79 billion in debt LMAO
all things considered its dogshit
It is. And it would be even worse no doubt
But hey, at least we have theaters /j
But their "best case" statements I mean
these are only scant details
I don't doubt what the Ellisoms plan to do with rhis
cinema is over
im banking on netflix playing the long game and letting this fail
and the scooping them both up for dirt cheap
Problem is daddy ellison could always bail him out
i guess
that is very specific wording. "storytellers" can mean whatever they want it to mean. The studio can be labeled as the storyteller which technically isn't replaced while other creative positions are.
and the artists left over get the tools
with more work on their shoulders
Scary Movie Latest - || https://vxtwitter.com/RottenTomatoes/status/2028472806363574693?s=20 ||
Marlon Wayans, Shawn Wayans, Anna Faris, and Regina Hall reunite in the first trailer for #ScaryMovie.
In theaters June 12.

I'm glad your opinion improved 
It didn't tho
The ending just happened to be too strong for him...
Mistborn era 1 end ||Sazed, my absolutely beloved despite not really liking your atheist arc all that much.||
mods, kill him
Thankfully he improved in the depiction of mental health in Stormlight
But idk man. HoA was a degrade from even WoA in that aspect
Buffy when you reading some Christie
i don't know what i will read at any given point now. i'm on salem's lot
there are no more reading plans at the moment, just read whatever i want when i finish a book
That was me indirectly telling you to read Murder of Roger Ackryod nexr
After Salem's Lot
unserious amount of debt
well that gives it some merit
Immediately a dumb pronoun joke lol this is gonna be a train wreck
There's a 0% chance of that movie being good
i thought you recommended agatha and then this other random book unrelated to them lol
:smh:
oh they're making fun of Iryna Zarutska in that last scene.. they're allowed to do that? That wasn't a movie
Why is that them making fun of her

Scary Movie - ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7flKiJXm26E ||
A clip from Scary Movie (2000) where Ray says that he isn't gay even though Bobby tries to claim they are.
it's sooo dumb but that's part of the charm
I would say it was dumb but funny back in the day. This was just painful to watch
in 2026, yeah that style of humor won't land as well
The new trailer is incredibly bad
far worse than even the older films
oh, I haven't watched it yet.
is there a link?
Ah, I see what you mean. It feels like a checklist of modern references and social commentary.
Yeah, I donāt really know who itās for
Maybe they don't know either? Unless corporate got their hands on it.
Kai cenat in it 
is that the streamer?
Lmao
Yes
streamers in my films.....
idk but its a little messed up cause that wasn't a scary movie , it was a scary incident
No like why do you think thatās supposed to be them making fun of her
I donāt see it being referenced at all
Looking for a reason to get offended
Iām not even trying to argue lol I donāt see it and am curious
I donāt see anyone else talking about it online
so I think youāre probably off the mark
no I genuinely saw it as the Iryna thing. Because people around her ignored her getting stabbed
š
Yeah, thatās a stretch man. If it was on a bus sure but this is just a horror movie gag
Lmaooo
yeahh... but if they do a bus than that makes it actually the situation. And that would be met with a lot of issues
@regal root @outer pollen @feral blaze 
Euphoria season 3 - || https://vxtwitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2028503176475722063?s=20 ||
SKITTLES
by far my favorite all time seahawk
WoR 56 || RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
KALADIN YOU FUCKING CHAD||
https://variety.com/2026/film/news/bruce-campbell-evil-dead-cancer-treatable-not-curable-1236677655/
aw man
fuck cancer
WoR Interlude 9 || who the fuck is Lift and why is their interlude 24 pages š I want to skip it especially after how insane the last few chapters have been||
@limber urchin || the man marked by flames is obviously Spook || one piece/mistborn hoa
wor || dont skip ||
Before they are hanged around 65% ||i thought the prince might have at least some sort of lock in moment or at least try and do something once and own up to himself. But nope. Bro was just useless and got everyone killed and then attempted to SA a woman. Wow. Heās gone now, thank god
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@sand cypress BTAH ||how do you make WEST look like the good guy in that scenario ||
Best character
Like btah ||Iām just flabbergasted at how useless incompetent and worthless the prince was. He was sheltered and fucking annoying but he wasnāt like comically evil or anything and then he did that shit man ||
the new scary movie looks so fucking bad 
Itās actually insane how bad every single joke is
Like the previous ones werenāt exactly auteur stuff but they were funny
Every joke was painful in this trailer
bro
Yeah its the exact āgen z is trying to cancel eminemā crowd whos enjoying this
it was actually painful to watch yeah, every single parody joke was insane
The Eminem song blaring in the background of it is just the icing on the shit cake
Itās just so cringe and tryhard bro
they were products of their time but this one feels like its a 2000s movie parodying modern horror and its just such dogshit
Btah || Fucking Ladislah. Deserved his fate and more. West redeemed himself somewhat with that move in my eyes. Crazy that Ladislah actually makes Jezal look like a decent fellow by comparison
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Btah ||Jezal hasnāt even done that much bad man heās just arrogant
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Btah ||i donāt get how you see a murderous viking (who is surprisingly self conscious I do love logen) Glokta, a torturer, and then Jezal a dude whoās just kinda mean sometimes and say yeah fuck THAT dude
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Btah || I despised his arrogant ass for the entire first book. I was laughing at all his failures
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Btah || yeah yeah but somehow Abercrombie made those evil people likeable and charming whereas Jezal is.. Jezal. I dunno man I just really dislike arrogant and vain characters ||
Btah/ ||Iām the opposite I love that archetype. Mainly because I just love to see how full of shit they get of themselves and most of the time the end up being pretty funny||
GOT ||shout out Theon Greyjoy||
Why is it so fucking complicated to watch these documentaries through PBS? What asshole had a meeting that was like "Yeah, let's divide it up between different networks across the country!"
Fucking morons
vic screaming into the void again
Have to fucking goddamn pirate everything nowadays and not even support education
Real
Crazy he still has everyone blocked
not you apparently
Probably has me in ignored lol
Lol
Been reading a Game of Thrones since vacation, honestly surprised it hasn't been as detailed in the graphic stuff as I expected
The show really must have taken some liberties
I had thought you had already read it once
Only read a bit
But I didnt recall it like this. I may be in the right headspace for the books now
Still won't be watching the show, I've seen some stuff and I know it isn't for me
Never heard of it tbh, who is it by
R Scott Bakker
I remember it being milder than GoT show, but I guess my bar for it is just p off
binging spider man series with tobey maguire
From what Iāve heard/bits and pieces besides like what s4 onward ya i think it is a lot mroe graphic in the show
Also got/asoiaf|| i mean obviously theres sex/nudity in the books but it seems like theres way more in the show lol||
Not saying the books have been like super non graphic, it just doesn't seem to linger on stuff and Ive been able to enjoy things more this time around
ASOIAF/GOT ||I've been really enjoying the world building, Martin's writing is clicking with me and the book is paced really well. Fave characters so far are the usual I am sure, Jon/Ned/Tyrion/Arya but I am also finding myself enjoying characters like Renley Baratheon, Samwell Tarly, and weirdly The Hound. ||
ASOIAF ||one of the strongest aspects of the series is definitely the use of perspective and character to build the world ||
ASOIAF/GOT ||I despise what the show did to Renly, he was such an interesting character in the books||
ASOIAF ||2/3 Baratheon brothers got fucked by the show||
ASOIAF ||itās good Bobby B died early||
A jon fan i see
Asoiaf book 2/3 ||them refusing to adapt a lot of Stannis and his humor was annoying enough. But adding renly to oversimplification pile was crazy. They really are both standouts in the books.||
Asoiaf ||I do hope you start enjoying Sansa. She ended up becoming a character I enjoyed same as book danny.||
ASOIAF ||All Sansa has done so far has lie about what she saw with Joffery and Nymeria, fawn over the Knight of the Flowers, and then get intimidated by the Hound. So far, it's not great but it's only about half the book||
ASOIAF ||I am a simple man, Jon from what I recall is Martin's take on someone like Aragorn and I can see it already. Jon's a natural leader, he is compassionate as shown with Samwell, he's humble even if he clearly wishes to be a full Stark shown with how he though the direwolf pups should be divyed up, plus I really like Ghost and how they seem to pair. Tyrion and Jon having some bonding over basically being outcasts in their own families. ||
ASOIAF ||Also I so far have been intrigued by Catelyn and her sister. I am currently reading about her venturing to the Eyrie to talk to her sister after she took Tyrion. The Eyrie is a cool ass location, but also tf is going on with Lysa Arryn and her son that is some weird business||
which book u on?
just just game of thrones?
First
First book yeh
A Game of Thrones, which is really confusing to name the entire show after just the first book
Ah I see
Shoulda at least used a like idk
A Game of Thrones S2: A Clash of Kings
Or something
I also don't know how much they adapted and when what book starts with what season so I could be wrong
each book is a season i think or thereabouts
Would explain why they ran outta shit
seasons 3&4 is based on book 3 (the longest book in the series) mostly and season 5&6 took on book 4&5 (a dance with dragons is barely adapted as show original stuff changed the entire trajectory of the series)
Wait they didnt adapt A Dance With Dragons entirely?
That just seems like a weird way to go. Now I am seeing why things got rough
its a mess
Oh well. I aint ever watching it
the first 4 seasons to me are worth it and then 6's final 2 episodes for the fanservice
And I am taking my time with getting through the books, I doubt Winds of Winter ever comes out, so I'll be chilling with this stuff for a while
Winds will come out. The books after that wont
Now I am concerned we won't get a cool cover for Winds of Winter
there's only one left after winds
i lowkey missed the old action cgi, was watching spider-man 1 and 2. was fun to watch
Because we got the cool new covers for the series
the greatest of all time
Like if Winds does drop, the artist better make a cover for it
The cover for Game of Thrones honestly got me to reconsider reading the series
That might be my favorite cover for a book I've ever seen
ugly ass cover ngl
Wonder if I can sell it
Wait till it reaches 10000 as an antique piece
Asoiaf ||yeah lysa is a bit strange I'm ngl š . I do like the eyrie as a location and the lore. But people there always feel particularly rude to me.||
They started leaving out stuff from book 4 and on
And it shows in the quality of seasons after 4
Honestly I think the quality was immediately worse after season one. They felt like having every character in every episode and would invent little things for them to do. It just got progressively worse with some few highlights like Pedro and other actors/scenes
ASOIAF ||the way they butchered the Sand Snakes ||
ASOIAF|| well to be fair...The sand snakes arent exactly the most interesting things in their own books either
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Asoiaf ||disagree tbh, they have way more variety and actually have things going on in the plot. The show ones are just carbon copies of eachother with none of the personality or actual world building. The entirety of dorne in the show is awful compared to the book version of dorne.||
Even i know
i know too i just don't want to hear about it
get that woke nonsense out of my books
reached it like a week ago actually
????
????????
that's the cool stuff smh

midborn 6 || this entire chapter is just yapping about the magic system what happened to the game i love||
ASOIAF || I donāt give af about the sand snakes that much either but I did adore Arianne, Iām not sure why she needed to be cut ||
Asoiaf || probably cause George doesn't know how to resolve that 14 years later so neither did they ||
ASOIAF || thatās never stopped DnD from resolving things that George never resolved ||
Got show || They took their best shot at what they could with limited info when they were told at the start they'd be adapting available material. I'm a dd defender George is the reason the show ended poorly ||
Agree
bad cut
Wasnāt their best
Maybe it was who knows. Regardless entirely different ballgame if they had books. Then it would be their fault
ASOIAF/GOT || theyād began deviating from the books rather early on and there was still some content from the books that couldāve been used that they simply decided not to use ||
No we know it wasnāt, there are several show only scenes that are just as good as book ones
The first 20% of a story thread isn't useful
Itās much more than that, there are entire plot lines and characters with resolved arcs removed or ruined
And theyāve finished several other character arcs
Youāre only making so many excuses for them because you have George
What resolved plot lines got cut?
ASOIAF || Quentyn Martellās mission to Dany for example ends in the books with his supposed death||
I just think it's completely unreasonable to expect them to be able to write a story in 2 years of tv show production that the author has tried and failed to write for 13 years
I think fault lies in both š
I donāt think itās unreasonable for showrunners of a multi million dollar show to write a decent show
These guys arenāt babies
If it were easy to finish the show, we'd have ados by now
Yeah but they were adapting in the first place
so its on the original writer to finish the material
And they couldāve continued to do so reasonably, they even decided to end the show earlier than George wished
George isnāt completely innocent either
People shit on D&D too much when you gotta shit on both them and Martin
If George wanted to ensure a specific form of the show ending, he had a very simple solution, finish the books
Didn't George write in his blog that he had tried multiple times at Winds and it wasn't working or smth
Need to confirm but there was smth along the lines of that a few years afo
He rewrites a lot of stuff over and over
I never implied George wanted a specific ending
Iām saying that these showrunners should be able to write a coherent show
And theyāve shown before they could
When the original author is having that kind of issues with a book for 15 years
George has created a story state so difficult to resolve he can't do it himself, why should the showrunners be expected to be able to resolve it well
I think people can cut some slack for writers who has to deal with HBO
Game of thrones isnāt so complex that these showrunners canāt create a solid end
George is at fault too
People shit on George all the time
But it doesnāt absolve the showrunners of writing a shitty show
I wouldnāt give them any such credit
Their ending is the ending
Theyāre horrid writers and fucked up one of the best shows in media
Until George delivers otherwise
There's no book ending yet so it is the only ending atp
Itās the show ending
Inb4 George has the same ending beats planned and this is why he's having issues with resolving it
they both suck but d&d couldn't win
I just think you not giving enough credit to the difficulty of resolving the story which is evident by it still being unfinished
if the author himself cant write the ending what chances do they have
Exactly
George is more interested in other things than finishing his own book
The books not that complex
Even getting a decently mediocre ending would be fine
But they completely shot the bed
They could
They just didnāt
Well George has mentioned that he has difficulty writing this next one soo
I take him at his word when he says he can't finish it I'm not about to armchair author actually it should be easy when I've never published anything in my life
Give it timw
And George is at fault
I havenāt read the interlude yet so I am just bsāing
You just hate George so much that you canāt accept they shot the bed
It's not a matter of hating
just write a good ending its that easy
Take him at his word more than just hating on him
I agree they did a bad job. But I think there was a 99% chance they were gonna do a bad job
It's not about agency it's about difficulty
And Iām saying itās not that difficult to write better than what we got. Even the actors coming out about how shit it was.
Itās much harder to write a universally reviled season
Your ability to act doesn't mean you can be reasonably expected to compete any task
And for some reason you keep pretending like the show is anywhere near as complex as the books
I think that's armchair expert stuff. Just write a good ending. It's not that hard
The show cut a lot of characters and plot lines they had much less to resolve
Even at the time they stopped adapting itās quite different
They could have just mostly followed the books if twow came out in 2016 like George repeatedly said it would
Never said as much
Yes and George is at fault for not finishing his books
Iām not saying heās innocent
I'm saying his failures left them with a near impossible task
I won't say near impossible task
I know and thatās silly. The show was much less complex, has much less characters and much less plot lines
but more difficult task that people give them way too much shit for
For one not nearly as difficulty to finish
Iām not expecting them to make a masterpiece
But they did absurdly bad
George not finishing his books is no excuse for writing a show that bad
they were doing adaptation
they ran out of material to adapt
They did very good when adapting, very bad when writing. Which I think is what you should expect
Yes theyāre bad at writing we agree
And George and DnD are both at fault
But DnD isnāt innocent here
Some of the things are so nonsensical you wonder if a child wrote it
They undertook an adaptation with assurances that there would be material to adapt and there wasn't
They outright forget lines said in previous episodes etc
writing a story and adapting it to a tv show require a different set of skills
I understand things would be difficult with nothing to adapt but thereās no reason it shouldāve been that bad
Is all Iām saying
d&d did what they could when adapting the source
And they did it horribly which is their fault
I donāt know why you guys feel the need to baby them
For writing that mess
DND did as well as they could!
No they didnāt. If it was just a mediocre ending sure
But itās far worse than that
And thereās no excuse
and more than half the blame for that goes to George
i guess thats the main point of disagreement
Sure
because an adapting job changed to writing job
there is a difference between fault and responsibility
i think there is an excuse. They thought they would be adapting material and ran out of material to adapt. And suddenly had to use different skills they were much weaker at. And i think people forget that its not like george was telling them hey im not gonna make it. George was saying in 2015 that twow will be out in 2016 before the show catches up
the fault is entirely on george for not writing his stupid book in over a decade
dnd are responsible for the bad ending
There is a great excuse as to why the quality stopped being as good I agree
Thereās no reason it shouldāve been that bad
Is what Iām saying
yes there is a reason
No there isnāt
They could have based on it the narrative structure he presents in his football blog entries
the reason being that fat ass didn't gave them the material they needed to adapt
Except that one time
I am having a brain fart
Thatās the reason why Itās not as food but season 8 is far worse than mediocre
or is that jet and patriots relevant
just leave this server when serious exams take place like me
we're probably at as much of an end as there will be, you should probably go study lol
Talk about priorities
season 6 and 7 aren't good either its just overshadowed because back then people still believed the show was gonna bounce back
but on hindsight they're just as bad
even parts of s5
Many people consider season 6 the best season
hell in s7 you have || arya meeting ed sheran lmao ||
Oh brother
Couldnāt believe my eyes watching that shit when it dropped
Thatās when I knew
Show was fully going to shit
Look, the last 2 episodes of season 6 wiped out all the boring aspects of the rest of it ok
is that || Battle of bastards || got
this is a television series
idk probably just a cheap trick to get fans to watch the show since he was huge then
just get her concert tickets
well that's what reddit tells me and i ain't doing more research than that
GoT S6 ||Battle of the Bastards and Winds of Winter||
A āGAME OF THRONESā movie is in the works at Warner Bros.
Beau Willimon (āAndorā) is set to write the script.
(Source: https://t.co/Le2wKLCtoh)
can they fucking stop milking this shit
and give adaptation to any other franchise
like of the first book?
what does it cover
i feel like theres no need to redo anything season 1-4 it was all pretty great
I don't think they've said anything other than that it's just being made
never
I think it's another spinoff
hotd is mixed but akotsk was great so.. idk maybe itll be ok
atp I'll even take a fourth wing adaptation instead of milking existing franchises
idk what that is
a romantasy that got its marketing and became mainstream cuz of tiktok and those spaces
I was seeing those books in the footpath bookstores
but idk its just the reality that people are a lot more comfortable spending huge piles of money on more established things. Thats why theres all those remakes and remasters and stuff. Everyone is very afraid of losing their huge piles of money by making something that bombs
which is like only to super mainstream books :kekhands:
ye ik
its a reboot, george pimky promised wb he is gonna deliver winds this time
if i had a magic wand im not sure what id adapt
probably stormlight and thats just happening
we got two Joe Abercrombie adaptations announced
i like malazan a lot but i dont think it would be a good show
and one was by fucking James Cameron
id adapt wheel of time
and we haven't gotten any news about them
3rd time is the charm
it will be anime
thats a shame cause i swear it was getting better every season
also Malazan has been in talks for adaptation since like forever
the third season of wot was actaully decent
2 years ago lmfao
it seems like it would need a lot of changes to make it happen and i dont think those changes would be good
oh id also take more area x movies
atleast working as advisor in WoT let Brandon knew he needed more control
watched Annihilation Qbz?
wasted Natalie Portman ngl
i have yeah
it wasnt great but it was fine/good
they made it more actiony and less mysterious
absolution || landry isnt a serious person but thats part of his appeal ||
this needs right delivery
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ain't that peak 
Spectacular prose
In 2027 thereās a non zero chance Iāll read a novel
watch the movie then
adaptation of the first one
Thatās a good sell
which tones down the weirdness and makes it more actiony
Weirdness > action
but just keep in mind that you increase the weird parts by 10x and then you get an idea of whether it will work for you or nto
veniss underground is a version of southern reach that turns the weirdness and minor horror way up
it almost seems like an unrestrained prototype
yeah you can get all 3 of those books under "Ambergris"
city of saints and madmen is 1 of 3
Sick. Iāll try and find the time for it sometime by the end of this year
Gotta write it down somewhere tho lol
also since you are taking my recommendations anyway
watch Coherence
it's like a one hour and 20 min movie
@raw gate
if you have watched Primer, it's more mind fucky and less sciencey than that
is that a movie
Gotcha. Iāll check that one out too goro
adaptation of first book of Southern Reach Trilogy spice
what the name of the movie
Annihilation
could be any more generic

looks cool
I'll take your movie rec despite my best judgement just because movies are short
well Annihilation is like a meh adaptation of a great book so take that as you will
it tones down the good parts (the weirdness) and adds hollywood-y action
ew
I only recced it to Rei in hopes it would get him to read the book 
hollywoodslop
which I am sure he will like
I'm still traumatized by the slopification of eletric state
that's like the extreme case man...

Russo brothers fumbled Gosling (The Gray Man) and Electric State
The Electric State novel
imagine seeing this
and going "Yes. we need Chris Pratt"
@raw gate another Blame Coded for you
fumbled is an understatement
they annihilated it
btw harsh
have you watched Coherence
oh yeah you were one of the people who recommended it to me lol
ASOIAF || https://x.com/i/status/2028877940449042817 || no way bro
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taking this with a grain of salt
Maisy Stella and Tatum Grace Hopkins have been cast as Chloe and Max in the āLIFE IS STRANGEā TV series.
Coming soon to Prime Video.
(Source: https://t.co/hvoyRB2DeB)
Isn't this like multiple ending type story
cant wait to see more got milking but this time with paramount merge
Salem's Lot ||Still early on, only like chapter 4? And it still feels like we're slowly but surely building something up. I'm having issues keeping up with the names, because King is dropping quite a number of them on me. But man, I just love how good he is at establishing locations through all that subtle detail, something I was sorely missing with Mistborn as much as I enjoyed that series. I'm hoping the horror really amps up eventually, 'cause while the Marsten house has my interest, I just know there's gotta be some freaky shit really bubbling underneath. Especially now that it's been revealed who bought the house and the antique store they're putting up near it (i assume it's a front for something, since that buyer came off WEIRD).||
yeah
one of the main charms of the game is that the player's actions and choices affect the story
ASOIAF ||so I know I am early in but I would like to know house Targaryen seems to get all the attention? Is it the dragons??||
Yes
That's disappointing
ASOIAF || they were also the rulers of the main setting of the story for the longest time, no one wants to read about peasants,||
Iā¦.I doā¦.
ASOIAF ||it's less that I wanna read about rulers or not, I just like some other houses more so far||
Asoiaf ||which one is your favorite||
ASOIAF ||currently tied between Baratheon and Stark. Lame answers I know but Baratheon is interesting||
The hell
Both at once?
An hbo series doesnāt really make sense
ASOIAF ||House Baratheon probably takes the cake for me at the moment. I like Renley and Robert a lot and what I know of Stannis, I am excited to read him. Lannister is interesting, but I don't know how far my affection will go past Tyrion alone||
ASOIAF ||The culprit ||
bro wants to read about what he is and not be whisked away to fantasy land smh
ASOIAF ||wanna make it clear. The dragons are dope. However I just don't find House Targaryen super interesting atm. It is super early tho. Dany is just starting to come into her own as Khaleesi and her brother is a sniveling tool||
ASOIAF ||Are you reading A Game of Thrones at the moment? If so, probably want to include which book you're on so we don't accidentally spoil you.||
Oh woops good Idea
I was just about to ask how should I do it
lot to remember i know
That works
Nah I know the titles pretty well
Thing with fantasy is once you've read enough your brain connects the dots fast
Out of curiosity, for those who have read, what would you rank the books of ASOIAF
Hm
let me think
A Clash of Kings
A Storm of Swords
A Dance with Dragons
A Game of Thrones
A Feast for Crows
Damn I may have a lot to look forward to
Have you watched the tv series?
OK good, then i'll make sure not to spoil you
It's a bit graphic for my taste
And as Ive been reading and heard from others the books don't seem quite as ridiculous with it
Uh, I'm gonna be honest, as this is not a spoiler: the books are worse than the show in terms of graphic violence I believe.
and other things
Well I imagine but I guess it hasn't been the worst thing in the world so far
at least with the books it's only words and not visually in your face
Other than that, you should have a good time. Great story, lots of detail.
and very complex, so if you feel overwhelmed you're not alone
AGOT ||Bran's fall wasn't too bad, Royce getting sword shards in his eye didn't go too far, Ned executing the brother of the night watch, Ned killing Lady||
None of that so far has been miserable I guess. I am sure worse is too come but I fully expected that stuff to be worse
AGOT ||obviously there is some other uncomfortable stuff that isn't straight up violence but I skim those sections a bit. I don't have shame in admitting that||
wtf
Clash FIRST?
Clash i have like
last
not because its bad but because its the least good
also a affc hate you hate to see it
ACOK ||Tyrion wins me over so hard in this book, along with the Battle of the Blackwater.||
ASOIAF ALL|| Renly also gets murdered in this book right? also a standout moment. but ya tyrion is so good in acok. Acok is so good but i think its just me enjoying the others more but part of that is in because of how much work was put in at clash of kings with exposition and worldbuilding||
ACOK ||I hate how the show took away so much nuance from Tyrionās character and just made him a generic good guy. Heās so layered in the books
||
ASOIAF all ||Yeah, this is the book where Stannis' shadow - summoned by Melisandre - assassinates his brother. All the books are great in their own way really. Like, even if it's not my favorite of the series, ADWD has my favorite chapters (all the Theon ones). And AFFC, while it's the bottom, is still amazing how it slowly lets you see the horrors of war's aftermath, especially with Brienne's journey.||
ASOIAF all ||I'm pretty sure you can argue he's borderline a villain at times in the book. Yeah, the show, in part thanks to Peter Dinklage being handsome, did make in too good by comparison.||
Buffy have you read Berserk? This is related to ASOIAF so I am asking here
i have for what its worth
Okay in your opinion, does Berserk's level of violence and graphic nature match ASOIAF
berserk is way more extreme
Oh then I am gonna be fine
like i think even if you put it to paper and wrote it out
it would still be more extreme
subtracting the fact that theres art involved depicting this
loooool
Idk why I was worried that much, Ive read Berserk
All I needed
Yeah Berserk is way more extreme since we see it in the act, the sick shit in ASOIAF more times than not we hear about after the fact or gets hints at
Berserk is one of my all-time favorite stories.
that too asoiaf general|| theres a lot of talking about stuff that happened rather then stuff happening||
AGOT ||Yeah I am seeing that more like the Targaryen children that were killed that Ned is still haunted by||
Berserk is more extreme if you're curious
nothing is worse than berserk in my eyes
Yeah if you can handle Berserk, you can probably handle literally anything in stories
I think I knew too many people who had only known got
And they were like "NAH IT GETS SO BAD"
Berserk is genuinely too much at times
don't get me wrong, Game of thrones has some fucked up shit
That and I saw some clips of the show where I was like uh I don't need that
But I can handle it in writing over depiction
but putting pure Berserk on television would probably have the FCC shut it down š
Yeah there's some shit in Berserk that still haunts me, but thank you all for answering the question
I finally can embrace ASOIAF, it felt like a hole in my fantasy fandom catalog
I'm like confident parts of Berserk could send people to therapy
AGOT ||The presentation of that was so well done, just 3 corpses we donāt actually see but all covered in dark red Lannister banners. Elite use is show-donāt-tell||
lol sometimes i read Berserk, and i think....am i old enough to read this
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AGOT, don't read Sabble ||Are we talking about the ones Tywin ordered killed?||
thanks
AGOT ||The book has done some shit that I super enjoy in how they've handled. Bran's fall was actually really well done. It didn't linger on the violence of it but it twisted you anyway. Summer howling still gets me. Oh and Lady being killed. Dude I actually shed a tear, Ned telling his man to bring him Ice for it, how he describes the direwolf. Hated it. ||
I love ASOIAF. What a swell series. Can't wait for George to finish it. 
Ive resigned to the fact it probs wont finish but
15 years and counting 
Oda can finish it
I am still loving what I am reading
So I feel like if one of these books or multiple becomes a favorite of all time, then it was worth it
And AGOT is already quickly running up the ranks dude
once i find the OP its over
We'll get Oda and Sanderson into a room together and have them finish it. Mistborn era 1 and One Piece and all of ASOIAF ||Every chick gets a giant boob upgrade and somehow Arya learns how to burn metals.||
I think Storm is still my fav in the series
Just a ride from start to finish
ASOIAF and Mistborn ||Dude I actually can see Arya and Vin as like sisters||
Storm is consistently considered the best, and yeah it's fucking ride.
I hear ASoS is the best a lot and it is one of the best books in fantasy period
I am excited but I am taking my time. I am enjoying the process
looool i'm surprised you clicked on that since it says "all of ASOIAF" i could've easily spoiled anything. You got lucky.
Damn near a roller coaster experience in book form
I know quite a bit of stuff only because tbh I read a lot of spoilers before this
I genuinely thought that ASOIAF was gonna just never be read by me
George was on the some good shit with ASOS. Probably coke.
Like we often use the phrase that so-in-so was in their bag when they do something impressive and gosh damn
GRRM was just all the way in his bag for Storm
So I know stuff like ASOIAF ||Jamie loses his hand, Ned dies, Arya learns from the hound, Tyrion loses either his whole nose or part of it?? That Dany has the dragons, Jon takes over the night watch, Robb is killed and they kill Greywind and put his head on Robbs decapitated body||
I still canāt believe that he wrote GOT through Storm in the span of 6 years
But spoilers don't ruin stories for me
well goddamn
Dude had IDEAS
Like WTF happened man?
He was busy with Elden ring
actually i should've just lied and told Sabble "none of that stuff happens in the books"
And then fell back asleep
Silly George
You go from that to trying to put too much into Feast that it got split into 2 books with it and Dance
Like AGOT ||even knowing Ned dies, I LOVE his character and am loving seeing how it all played out||
3 books in 6 years to 2 books in 11 years, then he gets distracted by success and weāre still waiting 15 years and counting for Winds
Tbf


