western-series

[spiral relic]

Arcane S2 Finale || ofc the question of wtf happened to viktor and jayce is also up there but I can take it as 'they ded' for now ||

[spiral relic]

Arcane S2 Finale || although that makes no sense given the bizare way they got swept up, also Jinx from ekko's universe had a stash of hex crystals, which she hide away because?? why did they show us that? It should be a plot point toward more development later||

That is all of my thoughts pls respond

oh god no not red again

[raw gate]

LMFAOOO

[raw gate]

I don’t trust you

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||"For what" would be because jinx realizes her being there will always hurt Vi's ability to be happy with cait. She walks away from it all for the happiness of everyone else.

I dont understand the warwick complaint.

Jayce and Viktor sacrificed themselves to suppress the power that caused what Jayce saw in the future timeline.

There isn't more to that "curing death" thing. Orianna probably still has some biological parts within all that clockwork. Him being able to bring her consciousness back in tandem with the machine is what Singed managed to achieve through warwick/viktor.

Ambessa is dead, there isn't anything vague about that.||

sorry buddy

🙂

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end ||the other universe will never be relevant again. She hid away the hex crystals that they used to create the machine to transport ekko back home. There is no need for them anymore, so she put them away.||

||that other universe only existed for the dichotomy between "good future" and "bad future" caused by hextech or the lack thereof. As well as Ekko to reconcile his feelings with Jinx and decide to save her, while also gaining his league of legends champion ability. ||

Arcane s2 end ||these types of complaints are the same complaints people would make when oda "off screens" a moment in the series. Or when he inevitably doesn't minutely answer every question people have. ||

[raw gate]

You’re a chef

[white smelt]

Do you like this more than haikyū

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end ||the world moves on, everybody's story doesn't just stop when the series ends. There are elements implemented to tell us "this is where the characters will end up" that aren't intended to be explored||

no lol

arcane is like a 9.5 for me.

[raw gate]

Still high asf

I wish I could love the last act

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||The Jinx thing is fine because she "walked away" like Silco was telling her and it lines up with how she felt after all this time. She wanted to kill herself then gets convinced by Ekko that she can live on. There's probably more key dialogue that I'm missing but it's a good sendoff for her character because 1) Being able to walk away means that they won't have to be stuck facing whatever issues/consequences come from the Piltover/Zaun/Noxus war (Jinx could show up in one of their other shows and be independent) and 2) Jinx realizes that Vi wants to be with Caitlyn and that's who she needs at that given moment. It works because even in S1, Caitlyn tells Ekko that the "cycle of violence has to end" and the only way it would is if people stepped down/walked away/realized that the people they marginalized had more dire circumstances than they realized.||

||I think that council scene in S1E9 addresses that because I remember Caitlyn telling them that the undercity is much worse than they thought before. Heimerdinger also figures out that they are suffering and it's why he helps Ekko and wants to solve the problem with the dying tree. As for Vander, my understanding is that he and Viktor's connection getting interrupted during S2E6 affected his tolerance for being controlled or you could amount it up to how he has special properties because Singed injected him with the immortality serum or whatever you want to call it. That's why he was able to get up again even after the Viktor connection was severed. Orianna was already a robot in the cryosleep thing iirc. But in the series, the idea was just that she needed a cure to be alive as opposed to not being alive. The robotic aspect is probably all that Singed could do to keep her from dying so it isn't necessarily tied to how Viktor and the others looked all purple and white and weird. Her case is just unique because she's been in comatose for so long (Think of it as like a Mr. Freeze situation if you know what I mean).||

||Ambessa is definitely dead considering Mel succeeded her and you can actually see the light in her eyes die. I think Jayce and Viktor dying makes sense because they ended up sacrificing themselves to save Runeterra or at least, Piltover. It works because they've saved each other from suicide attempts before, they are partners, and they both came to the realization that magic was a force not to be tampered with. That and they genuinely probably loved each other as brothers. I saw some people complaining about Jayce using "talk no jutsu" on Viktor but I thought it worked.||

||Potentially, there's a future where some of the characters who died could return but I have confidence they won't do that with Arcane. Besides, we got a lot of deaths that felt very impactful anyways: Vander, Benzo, Silco, Vander again lol, Viktor, Jayce, Ambessa, Caitlyn's mom, the one kid, Isha, etc.||

[sage remnant]

Arcane all || https://youtube.com/shorts/RJc-V_UsEkY?si=HHYYd9jXY8Am3_kb ||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||Like I think a valid complaint you could make is that Piltover and Zaun worked together against Noxus a little too fast. I would've liked to have seen scenes with Sevika before she leads the charge against the Noxians with Jinx and Ekko or we could've had a little bit more of Caitlyn being a dictator or even just a little more on her turning from being a dictator. Those moments felt really fast to me but aside from issues of pacing, there's not really much to complain about because most of the characters got what they deserved (in a good way).||

Arcane S2 END ||Maybe the epilogue could've been longer? Idk||

[young compass]

this is very unfunny

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||I would've liked people to give Ekko more credit for what he did||

[main lion]

yeah thats crazy

[sage remnant]

I hadn't even watched it cuz i was avoiding s2 spoilers

His videos are generally fun so thought it would be too

[white smelt]

Cmon Goro lmao

[raw gate]

Get him

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||Actually, I would go as far as to say that Vi and Jinx's conclusions are perfect because unlike in the other universes where Vander and Silco worked out the whole nation of Zaun thing, it only worked when one of the daughters died. Meanwhile, the sisters can break off from each other and Sevika is now a councilor to a nation that can avoid the issues from the past (Jinx, Silco, Shimmer, Viktor/Hexcore, etc).||

||"Sometimes taking a step forward means leaving a few things behind."||

[shrewd sigil]

arcane s2 end ||my goat made the firelights, saved jinx, and saved jayce and viktor, just to end up alone in the end 💔 ||

[shadow sequoia]

I need to rewatch Arcane ASAP

[sage remnant]

Not the first time I have shared things that way

[main lion]

go watch season 2

[sage remnant]

Not yet

Next week

[main lion]

understood.. get out of this channel then there have been some idiots posting untagged

[shadow sequoia]

Stormlight 5 comes out next week

You won't have time

[sage remnant]

Nah that's two weeks later

Dec 6

Or well around the end of next week

[shadow sequoia]

Isn't that... next week

[main lion]

its 1 week and 3 days ye

[sage remnant]

Smh

[modern lichen]

Holy shit Smile 2 was dope

One of the best horror performances by Naomi Scott plus the movie is shot so well, really good stuff

[raw gate]

Isn’t that the movie where they were letting people see the first ten minutes for free if they smiled directly into a camera the entire time they watched? Theatrics are finally back in a big way

[modern lichen]

I didn't enjoy the first one much but boy, what an exponential improvement

[main lion]

heh

[bold yew]

i l iked the first one much more

[main lion]

that one put a smile on my face

[bold yew]

lmao

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||the implication that she'll commit suicide is far more than one ending the cycle comment, it's a ton of self-deprecating shit and rebuking of vi's attempts to give her affection while looking and acting like a complete wreck, as i said earlier not eating etc. I usually resent the sort of critique where you judge a character's actions with reader/watcher hindsight but i guess my point here is just that i felt the writers wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Make jinx seem like she was sad enough to kill herself while also letting vi have her thematic closure of choosing herself over her sister in that moment, PLUS tie the whole cait/vi initial cell scene back around... it needed to be incredibly delicate. And it wasn't, jinx dropped all those hints and vi merely ended up frustrated with herself and feeling like she got played, which was simply availed by cait saying "oohoo i let her go free ;)). Which like... EVEN if you're taking the position that the watcher was more likely than Vi to have known, to have suicide be the ultimate outcome of Vi letting her go and not chasing her makes the sex scene dissonant at best and comedic at worst. ||

[tawny parcel]

Really?

I’ll check it out when it comes to streaming than

[mild seal]

https://tenor.com/view/band-of-misfits-monkey-monkeydru-monkey-drum-joke-gif-5797011

[modern lichen]

Yeah

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||also i dont really have this as a critique as i haven't really thought this through, but it felt like vi didn't really get proper in-story closure for what she thought was jinx's death, right? idk lmao. maybe im forgetting but i remember feeling like it was missing||

[tawny parcel]

Smile 1 ||was alright, there was some fun stuff in it like the mom horror and some of the jumpscares were very good but i found the ending lame and to message a little too on the nose ||

[spiral relic]

Arcane S2 Finale || I have to go in a short notice but here are the cliff notes of my thoughts; ||

||Jinx could have finished that plotline being either dead or alive. But she was left alive. The way she survived is up for debate and further development. Jinx however was left alive. Since it could have been either, her being alive points ward more development and intent. That and if she is walking away from vi why was she in their ship lol? was it even their ship? ||

||Vander's case is suspicious because he is definitely alive somehow because absolutely no way is jinx surviving that and not vander. Beside... why was cait investigating that? ||

|| Orianna is newly reborn but I doubt she will be happy for long given she has needs for human connection that extends beyond her dad, like pretty much everything. And if somebody catches wind of Reverck's accomplishment, there will be many people with dead loved ones in his door. Some of them powerful enough to force their will on him.||

||Okay it is good if ambessa is dead and I want her dead anyway. The way jayce and viktor died is similar to how Jayce, Ekko, Heimerdinger got whisked away by arcane. There is no body left, no blood, no nothing. It is possible they are alive but also dead. ||
||typing all of that made me realize my issue is with the implications that there could be more, but the story itself can be seen as self sustaining if you just take it as it is, I guess I am bothered because I was looking forward to more, arcane S2 was excellent all around but I feel there was a room for a lot more.||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||I don't really agree that they dropped "all those hints" towards suicide tbh. I wouldn't even be surprised if Vi didn't notice the food in her own self deprecation. Vi had her own moments of weekness, and the result of was self destructive but not suicidal (when she was in the fight pits as an alcoholic etc). I genuinely just don't believe it is unreasonable for Vi to not interpret Jinx's words as "Im going to KILL myself". I think instead, Vi is thinking "I had her in my grasp, this time we could've made it work, and she got away again. This time, shes leaving for good and Ill probably never see her again". ||

[main lion]

????

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||I think there's four things going on with that scene: 1) Vi got fooled into thinking Jinx and her could be together despite everything that happened and that was never going to be the case even after all they had been through together, 2) The animators wanted another sex scene , 3) Even if Vi understood that Jinx wanted to kill herself, she wouldn't know where to look for her and she probably already blames herself an overwhelming amount because of all of her past mistakes surrounding Jinx (S1 and early S2 with their fight), and 4) Caitlyn is validating her feelings in a prison cell which is where they first met and Vi wants a shoulder to cry on. In this case, they escalated to affection. I would have to remember the dialogue more but I think Vi was just tired of it all and wanted to be with her girlfriend because she really thought she fumbled with Jinx again.||

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end ||her being alive is thematically fitting for her character arc. Characters dont have to die dude lol. Its a little bit of brightness in an otherwise bitter ending for many||

arcane s2 end || "they lived therefore they need to get more content with this character" is so ignorant||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||If you remember S1E1, Powder says she would end up flying one of those airships||

[spiral relic]

yeah I do

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||i know we disagree on this stuff, that's why i put the last few sentences. do you really think it wasn't AT ALL dissonant? i know you said you understand those critiques but i haven't heard an argument for why it really HAD to be there, and to be so extensive... idk lmao. I would have vastly preferred for the cait/vi sex to be post-series and BLATANTLY what it was - fan service||

[modern lichen]

Smile 2 || this movie focuses on a singular very interesting perspective, it's much scarier and gorier, Naomi Scott acts her ass off, and the ending is haunting ||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||Not only is that hinted at but like... you can see her use shimmer to escape the explosion in the finale||

Arcane S2 END ||Also wouldn't make sense for Caitlyn to be staring at air ducts unless Jinx was alive||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||the only thing I really agree with as a critique is the extensive nature of it. Apparently it was longer in the original cut too ||

[tawny parcel]

You have me then I’ll check it out lol

[young compass]

arcane ||since you said you thought the conclusion was perfect @shadow sequoia , do you have any thoughts on this ||

" arcane s2 end also ||i dont really have this as a critique as i haven't really thought this through, but it felt like vi didn't really get proper in-story closure for what she thought was jinx's death, right? idk lmao. maybe im forgetting but i remember feeling like it was missing|| "

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||But what I'm getting at is it's not a writing error and Jinx doesn't need more content because she's alive. She walked away like Silco said and that's her conclusion.||

[main lion]

@young compass careful with using markdowns etc with spoiler tags

[spiral relic]

okay gtg see you later chat

[main lion]

they break tags for phone users

a lot

[young compass]

oh

it's so nice formatting wise though

[modern lichen]

It worked the first time

Before the edit

[main lion]

the first time was a markdown

[young compass]

yeah it never breaks for me but i figure for some devices it does or something

[modern lichen]

Yeah Markdown fails in some devices

[main lion]

idk if discord ever fixed it but they never fix anything

so I dont wanna take the chance ye

[modern lichen]

Cool cool

[raw gate]

I’ll make a call

[modern lichen]

Random weeb calls Discord offices to complain about Markdown

[shrewd sigil]

arcane s2

peak

[tawny parcel]

Smile 1’s ||ending was strong in some ways, i like that it makes the way of the only way to get rid of it is only really WITH murder, but it just also kinda felt lame in an aspect that “okay she comes to deal with thr fact she killed her mother and now she’s dead”||

[raw gate]

I resent the weeb title

[modern lichen]

Lmao

[mild seal]

But you don't deny it

[raw gate]

I can’t

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||She was singing the song they hummed at the end and I took Caitlyn investigating the air ducts of the Piltover tower or whatever as confirmation that they both weren't 100% on Jinx being dead but in the event that that isn't something the audience can infer, I think Vi and Caitlyn being together without having to worry about Jinx is what Jinx wanted anyways. I think she said something about that in Act 1 or 2 in that, they deserved to be together. I guess it also makes sense to conclude all of their arcs that way because Vi and Caitlyn are always hunting Jinx according to League lore (I could be wrong but I thought that was the case). Like they never catch her and nothing gets resolved unlike Yasuo/Yone/Riven if you know what I mean. So in that sense, I think it works out regardless.||

[raw gate]

My name is a reference to an anime

And I have HnK themed profile

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||I agree with 1 (but only as her initial thought), 2, and 4 (especially 2 lol). Vi obviously didn't know Jinx wanted to kill herself and would have been in 100% hysterics if she did, far more than she was. And if she DID know? jesus christ would the sex scene have been awful lmao. ||

[raw gate]

I’m like

[sage remnant]

RoW ch 45 || Eshonai Bruh. Weird choice for backstory character ||

[raw gate]

Mega weeby

[modern lichen]

Smile 2 || works better with the framing of this movie, because it's really about someone who is forced to reckon with her past and keeps failing ||

[shadow sequoia]

Agreed

[tawny parcel]

But alao smile 1|| i dont watch many horror movies and i know mcs dying at the end is a common trope ||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||which is to say, it was still awful i guess, it would have just been more awful and the only reason it wasn't was because of an awful justification imo which is also awful. ||

[modern lichen]

It's crazy that I have not a single anime themed thing in my profile on discord

And yet OP is probably the story I talked the most about in my life

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||There's a lot of moments in this show where I was like "They really should've spent the time to just have characters interacting or just doing things" because a lot of it was spent on what felt like music videos or compilations of beautiful animation for the sake of captilizing on what made the first season so good. I can't complain about that too much though because I loved those moments. I think the only one I didn't care for was the Hellfire one with Caitlyn's squad going down to the undercity and wiping out all of the chembarons.||

[raw gate]

Your profile is religion and mythology core, but you have typically had western series themed profiles in the past

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||I don't think the chasing thing is really relevant as that's more a relic of what the champs were initially. I think it's more they probably just don't think she's dead, yeah, which I think is the best possible conclusion for her obviously. I just... idk, I can't help but feel like vi would have gotten a better character conclusion if she wasn't romantically involved at all, it ended up being rather thematically empty and solely this sort of fan service... UGH||

enough talking about things i disliked i guess

[bold yew]

smile 1|| id say this only is happening to the most popular ones , in most the ending is kinda open without showing them dying but with a strong indicator that its not over ||

[modern lichen]

Only my pfp and about me is, the banner is from Batman Year One

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||I'd have to rewatch the scene again because I could've sworn there's time that passes in between when Vi gets locked up and the sex scene happens but I understand how you feel; It's weird to come back to that after the more emotional moments but tbf, they did this with Viktor/Jayce/Mel in S1||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||time does pass but it's not much, and the sex is in close proximity to jinx killing herself which is the main thing. if vi can run upstairs into the giant tower and get jayce's fucking hammer weapon during that time, she can go find jinx in whatever period in the area she generally knows of zaun||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||I can understand that. I also felt like the romance was weirdly handled this season compared to S1 cause when Caitlyn broke up with Vi... I was like "Wait, didn't this happen already?" and I guess it didn't but there was that oil and water episode where Vi walks away. I don't know, the way they were handled as a couple was a mess but I really liked them as characters individually so I think that's what saved both of them for me||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||That's completely fair about Vi finding Jayce's hammer haha. I guess the logic is that by that time, Jinx had already left on the airship||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end|| episode seven was wonderful obviously. the arcane rune stuff was so visually cool and i really liked like, almost EVERY character and their conclusions||

you know something arcane did well

and i think people will give it shit for this

arcane s2 end ||having these like, recognizable side characters and not feeling as if they HAD to do stuff with them, like that blue dude or loris or some of the random people from the underworld etc. like that dude who was ekko's friend, makes it feel more alive||

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 end || I will say that it’s pretty funny that they introduced Loris, Maddie, and the other dude as some sort of Avengers-esque squad in Act 1 just for Maddie to be the only character that does anything substantial for the narrative, but the moment is so short lived it doesn’t feel nearly as substantial as it literally is ||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||Sorry for the double ping but I forgot to address the other things.||

||Vander survived Isha's explosion only because of Singed, I assumed he died or was basically dead so if not then, it would absolutely be the case after Jinx's grenade. (The immortality or whatever as I understood it was to just keep people going, not to where they were immune from death by explosions lol). Caitlyn wouldn't investigate it because there's no need and she would probably rather be in Vi's corner comforting her since Jinx was presumably gone.||

||Orianna will most likely be addressed in a future show but even then, it's a good conclusion that we don't need more on because it all served to show us how far Singed was willing to go and he did it.||

||Ambessa's death was hella clear and I feel the same about the others. The only one that's a bit of a ? is Heimerdinger but only because of some League of Legends lore implications there. Aside from that, it seems like most of your complaints stem from wanting more despite a lot of these getting resolutions in the show we got.||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||it was more comical that they were tossed aside almost immediately cause "jinx would sense their fear..." when the whole point from the beginning was to hunt jinx lol. ||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||vi is strung along by jinx and her antics pretty much the entire series, outside of vi's vested interest in getting silco or saving zaun.

After season 1 episode 9, priority number 1 became her new attachment she needed to protect (cait) and a new reason to go after jinx after what she did. Which then, after the vander stuff, shifted back to her interest in jinx as a sister again. But it became much more of a priority at that point. Vi just wants to be with her family/loved ones and be happy, and everything she does stems from that element of her.

This is why I think Vi's lack of involvement in the main part of the piltover/zaun vs viktor plotline was the right choice as well. Everything vi cares about is primarily very personal. While the city ending threat is going on, vi jinx and vander are participating in a much more personal conflict between them 3. Because their conflict is so personal, and the stakes were so much higher than that personal conflict with EVERYTHING else going on, comparatively Vi's and Jinx's stuff feels less prominent. But that to me, feels intentional. ||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||I have a feeling that when I rewatch, I'm gonna remember how much Vi went through, and then I won't be bothered by the sex scene lol||

Arcane S2 END ||I think she said something about that too||

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end ||Vi suffered more than most man, lol. Failure after failure after failure||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||Like that she was always choosing others over her own needs... I think she just needed something nice to happen so I was more inclined to be ok with it||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||I expected Loris to get way more and I find it hilarious that we only learned his name in the last episode||

Arcane S2 END ||Maybe that's another reason why Vi and Caitlyn don't get after Jinx (if they know). They probably don't want to risk anything happening because I feel like she would also be Noxus enemy #1 at this point.||

Arcane S2 END ||This is also interesting though because Jinx has a higher chance of showing up in the future since she's flying around like crazy. Swain coming into play could make for some spicy drama if we get some Noxus shit with Jinx showing up as a cameo.||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||like, in a similar fashion to the sex scene, is the scene with vander at the end. Vi is obviously in a perilous situation on a piece of metal that is going to fall any second. She thinks Vander just died for the second time, and all she can do is focus on what is in front of her. Crying with Vander in her arms despite the likelihood of her own death. And Jinx needs to save her as a result. Vi has just gone through so much, and while she looks tougher on the outside, she is just as broken as Jinx was in season 1. Episode 7 even spells it out for the viewers that don't understand this, by saying shes more scared than anyone||

[shadow sequoia]

Yup

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||I've heard complaints about both scenes but the difference between them is that one simply requires Vi to be Vi, the other requires Vi to NOT be Vi IMO as even BEFORE the being vulnerable to Caitlyn in that moment is the failure to recognize Jinx was going to off herself. ||

[mild seal]

Arcane s2e5 ||MY EMOTIONS AHHHHHHHHHH||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||arcane made me cry in s2 twice i think. once was e6 and the other e7. neither were crazy though just watery eyes||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end || well the part I was focusing on in my message is "can only focus on what is in front of her". Vi in that conversation, says "I thought she changed, I thought she could do good" or w/e. So she interpreted Jinx's intentions differently than we the viewer might have, and instead thinks Jinx is going to do something a different type of drastic (not suicide). So with that context of someone she loves almost as much as Jinx right in front of her, in her broken state, saying something that is ultimately an "this is why I love her" type of moment, I think it is very reasonable and consistent with her character||

arcane s2 end ||s2 got me several times yeah. Episode 6, 7, and 9 got me the most||

arcane s2 end || vi's "he's your dad too" " got me a lot too, in ep 5||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||yeah once again, i just thought the reasoning was poor for why she would have interpreted jinx's actions differently in that moment given prior context. i agree that vi was acting in character when she exploded with lust or whatever, which is why i was hoping for a better justification for that moment and the specifics of it, and why i was saying they just tried to do too much when writing the scene. ||

[main lion]

ah gotcha, I must've misinterpreted another one of your messages then

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 end || The artistry of Arcane is something I’ll remember the series for, for a lifetime.

This sequence here in particular is one of the best I’ve ever seen, and perhaps one of the most impactful.

https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/0bfc648cf3f29b149f0afd41de4b65a5.mp4 ||

[main lion]

this scene makes me want to reference #other-series

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||what i did say was that i thought still the juxtaposition of the sex scene, even if it was in character for vi to have sex if she didn't know jinx was going to kill herself, was dissonant ultimately||

[main lion]

thats the part I do understand

arcane s2 end ||I dont have much issue with people finding it dissonant||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end eps 1-3 ||were kind of weird for me. I was intensely disinterested in the vi/jinx/cait stuff at that point as it was just kind of plodding setup, but was very very interested in jayce/viktor and like literally anything else lmao. felt a bit absurd||

[young compass]

reference it.........

[main lion]

arcane s2 end || I wasnt disinterested in it but I did feel like cait/vi weren't handled very well in eps 1-3. And they were handled much better in 4-9||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||yeah it was kind of ridiculous. I think the assassination thing at the memorial was the worst scene in s2, esp with that stupid cliche chasing jayce thing lmao||

||also respect to the writers for having maddie actually sleep with cait BEFORE vi lmao, I hope that made some people angry on account of my anger for having to watch their fan service||

[obsidian basalt]

arcane S2 end || honestly it might just be me being stupid but for me the worst scenes in the season were Mel in prison with her fake brother. I was just completely lost, understood almost nothing that went on||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||it was intentionally vague. Its revealed at the end of that scene that it was the mage trying to awaken Mel's powers ||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||that was fine, it was black rose mages trying to fuck with her and get her on their side yeah||

arcane s2 end ||also it's kind of crazy we get like, confirmed deaths for league characters now in-universe lmao. we only had one before, which was GP, where they disabled him for a week as a result lmao ||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||didnt gp come back to life in the lore||

[obsidian basalt]

arcane S2 end || the thing is every single champion death is just open enough to have them come back lol ||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||I think it's kind of ambiguous? like he's a ghost pirate who's maybe alive but also not? or some shit. idk im sure you've seen that trope||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||not ambessa lol she's DEAD as fuck||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||ambessa and heimerdinger are perma dead imo. I'd say jayce and viktor are too but ig you could make an argument there||

[obsidian basalt]

arcane S2 end ||im sure lol but dying to magic with no injuries is very reversible if you want it to be ||

[obsidian basalt]

arcane S2 end || ok so like isn't heimerdinger supposed to be immortal or something ||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||it better not be, would set a weird precedent. also her magic is basically like blunt force and she just as much died to getting stabbed||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||the immortality of yordles is ambiguous. Im pretty sure being disintegrated by the arcane would be an exception though||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||it's actually not I think, yordles can die when they're killed they just dont age||

every source i find says that

[obsidian basalt]

arcane s2 end || didn't she die to whatever the rose lady did to her? might need to rewatch but i don't remember Mel hitting her with anything ||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||that rose lady stabbed her and crumpled her body like she did to that random mel advisor lol||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end || the only reason I call it ambiguous is because theres a lot of information that is either misinformation or from vague character specific sources, that suggest them not truly dying but instead turning to magic and then eventually reviving in bandle city. Or things similar to that. But for as much googling as I did, I couldn't find a canon source to THOSE claims. Just people on reddit claiming its true||

||seemingly as theories||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||she didnt, but she did like stab ambessa's brain with her magic||

[obsidian basalt]

arcane S2 end || she also did that to Mel and left her with no injuries tho (yes I know she has magic but I'm talking about the first time Mel gets kidnapped)||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||i guess i just dont see a point in heim ever existing again. he's too piltover specific and we'll never be going back in any media other than a random off-shoot novel or the MMO||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||heimerdinger's arc ended theres nothing more for him. hes dead||

arcane s2 end ||she like drained energy out of ambessa's ears||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||but that was cause she was trying to specifically NOT kill mell. and like i said, magic is just as much a weapon as anything else, I don't see why it should be reversible more than other modes - singed is making all this effort to prevent death in general, there's no mention of this caveat and no display of it ||

[obsidian basalt]

arcane S2 end || Ok so Cait and vi are traveling the world and will be in more shows for sure, jinx is doing the same thing (they'll probably meet up eventually which will be quite something), ekko I feel like has to meet jinx at least one more time so hell have to appear in something. that probably means every major character in the show that's not dead is coming back in future shows||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||like just because you shoot me in the mouth and the bullet lodges in my brain, and there's no visible damage from the outside, doesn't make me any less dead ||

[young compass]

please no to the first thing LMAO

AHHHHHHHHHH

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||dont expect to see any of those 3 ever again. ||

[obsidian basalt]

arcane S2 end ||I said reversible as in pretending she didn't die in the first place, which is easier to do with no visual indicators for death ||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||the piltover/zaun characters are all done except for arguably Mel ||

[young compass]

what would be the point of that

[obsidian basalt]

there wouldn't be a point lol

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||singed is far from done||

[obsidian basalt]

just saying it's more likely to happen

[main lion]

oh

ye that too

[main lion]

no it isnt?

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||given that they said future shows are demacia/noxus/ionia, they'll probably do noxus v ionia and singed is a fucking crazy war criminal in that lol||

[obsidian basalt]

highly doubt that

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||they're going to build up entirely new narratives in the future. Maybe you get cameos if you're lucky? But don't expect their arcs to continue in any meaningful way.||

arcane s2 end || they cant just string along all the characters from these shows into the following ones. That would create bloat||

[young compass]

ARCANE s2 end ||ekko inevitably meeting jinx again was implied, to me. I think she'll return and ekko will have made a fair amount of progress with zaun by then, and she'll get to see him. I really don't need direct catharsis and it would weaken it to me as ive gained all i wanted - would be too fan-servicey ||

[obsidian basalt]

In arcane style shows for sure, not in grander types of shows

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||the series is telling us what cait/vi are doing in the future because thats where their league characters end up. Vi will join Cait as an Enforcer because Vi's league lore is that her and Cait work together as enforcers to do things all around. They've reached their conclusion.

Thats not setup for a new show with them. We will move on to the next group of characters that are unrelated to all of these, except singed and maybe mel as juba said||

arcane s2 end ||the open nature of some of these endings isnt setup. Its implication of how their lives will move on||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||random shout but those swain crows got me hyped lol. I'm meh meh on noxus but SWAIN in particular is such a badass, I really hope they do some crazy shit with him having leadership battles with the black rose||

||he's the ruler of noxus and his whole lore is that he finds their organization to be abhorrent, it'll probably be a major conflict||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||I just want bilgewater 😔

I don't want to go straight into a military politics series||

[mild seal]

Arcane s2e6 ||fuck this show I can't take all these emotions at 3am||

[young compass]

i remember seeing some stuff that riot was working with paperplane studios a while ago

we might end up getting like, multiple different animated series from different studios

[obsidian basalt]

arcane S2 end || i agree that Cait and vi have the smallest chance of having any major role in the future, but I think you're highly underestimating the effect being extremely popular has on returning ||

[main lion]

I do not want a non fortiche animated series

I dont trust anyone else

[young compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4L0OkSrsI8

they did this for reference

a while ago too, they'd expand im sure

[obsidian basalt]

get a good anime studio to do a show, could work

[main lion]

you don't a team with this combination of writing capability and animation talent in tandem often

its the writing thats the worry for me

[raw gate]

I think it’s likely Riot takes a different route for future shows, considering Arcane’s price tag

[young compass]

paperplane wouldnt be doing the writing

they'd have to be hiring people

[main lion]

my point is I want the arcane writers

I don't believe anyone would be as competent as them

[obsidian basalt]

having the same writers in general is great if you want a cohesive fine

not that I know they want that

[young compass]

they talked about this

definitely doubt they'll stop work with fortiche

[main lion]

It doesn't need to be cohesive. Im just talking about it being as good. I don't trust it to be as good with anyone else

[young compass]

a lot of it was building marketing, as well as building assets that can be re-used

animation budget is a very misunderstood concept

[obsidian basalt]

I don't really see why, there's a whole lot of good writers out there

and if they give them the time and budget of arcane they'll do wonders

[raw gate]

I agree with this, but I haven’t read or seen any interviews yet so I’m definitely speaking from a place of ignorance regarding the idea that they’d take different routes to adapt their stories

[main lion]

there are also a whole lot of bad ones. Im not saying they're the best writers in the world. But they hit the jackpot with a great writing team and director. Now that I know what they're capable of, I don't want a new show's quality to take the risk with another team writing it

think like

Resident evil remakes

re2 -> re3 -> re4

[young compass]

the CEO went and talked about it in a reddit comment

[main lion]

re2 was well regarded, re3 was made by another team that they thought had the capability

and re3 was universally considered much worse than re2

and then re4 was done by the re2 team as a result

[young compass]

Arcane was always written to be two seasons.

The confusion is because internally there was a budget conversation about “approving 5 seasons” - which simply means we were setting aside a bunch of money for lots of development and is completely irrelevant to the Arcane creative. The creative and making something great is what the priority should always be for Riot and our teams.

We have also always envisioned telling more stories and continuing to expand the universe. That hasn’t ever changed - people just jump at rumors or misleading headlines and Riot didn’t correct them - but given those rumors gained momentum, happy to clarify.

Just because that is our intent, doesn’t mean it’s easy or that we can pump these things out like a factory - just like making games that are worthy of players time / love is really hard, so too is telling great stories and making incredible shows / films (especially when we are building it from scratch for the first time).

That is always what Rioters are focused on (or should be focused on), no matter what 3rd party rumors say.

And since I’m here I’ll add - the “lol @ the cost” of Arcane arguments are silly from our perspective - as people have correctly pointed out the cost per minute of Arcane is about 1/3 to 1/4 of what Illumination / Pixar films cost.

The market for this (“high quality adult focused animation”) didn’t exist before Arcane so Hollywood has a hard time getting their head around why we would do this.

(And you spell my name with a “C”)

[shadow sequoia]

Didn't they already say they're sticking with Fortiche

[young compass]

yeah, the co-creator said something like that

[shadow sequoia]

That sounds perfect to me

[main lion]

the suggestion is to have multiple studios to speed up the releases

but I dont want that

Ill wait for fortiche quality

[obsidian basalt]

I get that, but it's not like having the same team is a safe bet either. creating something good is no guarantee at all that you'll be able to replicate it, as we see a bit too often.

[shadow sequoia]

Yeah I'm good

I don't need multiple shows airing at the same time either

[raw gate]

That absolves all my worries then

[main lion]

its a significantly safer bet

like, exponentially

theres always a risk of failure

Im not saying its 100% guarantee

[bold yew]

if a lot of shows were coming out at the same time it would kinda ruin it for me

[young compass]

Speaking to Animation Magazine, Linke says, "We were also just really lucky that we were able to have a higher budget for an animated series, because we were an IP [intellectual property] by Riot. We were able to really put art first. You don’t often get that opportunity."

It's a lot of money to spend on any one show, but "That number does include marketing costs associated with the release, which is not part of the budget of Arcane," Linke told us earlier this month. He also adds that "If you compare us to animated movies, we are dirt cheap."
here's (co-creator) linke talking about it

[main lion]

but its significantly more likely to be good with the same team

[shadow sequoia]

1 show by Fortiche every couple of years is fine with me

[young compass]

but yeah, this isn't gonna be an every year thing. riot knows what they have now and they've struck gold

[shadow sequoia]

I don't need the Marvel or Game of Thrones route of overwhelming my ass

[obsidian basalt]

yeah that's great

[shadow sequoia]

The art style is so pretty

[young compass]

man watching the original get jinxed now

[shadow sequoia]

Makes me want to learn to draw

[young compass]

feels so weird

[shadow sequoia]

Iirc, Fortiche had worked with Riot on those music videos

[young compass]

when that shit came out i remember thinking how good the CG looked lol, now it's hilarious compared to arcane

yeah they did that one lmao

[shadow sequoia]

Pretty cool how they stuck with them

I wonder if they'll do another doc series like did with the first season

I always like stuff like that

[main lion]

dude Im kinda mad they arent just changing the art style of everything league related to just, fortiche's arcane style

like, jinx being revealed for 2xko

and its ugly generic jinx design

instead of the good one from arcane

was a disappointment

[shadow sequoia]

They haven't updated those League models in ages

[young compass]

loool

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||Supposedly, they're changing Viktor though which is cool||

[main lion]

bad design

[young compass]

they are changing some stuff to fortiche arcane tbh

[shadow sequoia]

I just want to play 2XKO already

[main lion]

I had RP left over from 3 years ago I bought the vi skin

[young compass]

||lots of league skins referencing the new characters, viktor is getting a visual update to look like|| season 2 end

[main lion]

[shadow sequoia]

Man, they always hit with their music though

Getting Ashnikko for that one song made me laugh because it fit so well

[main lion]

season 2 end ||the reveal that heimerdinger was singing got my eyes watering lol||

[obsidian basalt]

"the reveal" my guy it's the same voice

[young compass]

i didnt notice either lol

[bold yew]

i didnt noticed but my friend mentioned it

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||It cuts to him singing but at first, I didn't realize it was Heimerdinger||

[main lion]

season 2 end ||heimerdinger has a goofy scientist voice theres no way you noticed it was him and not some other soft spoken artist until it showed him singing it||

[bold yew]

a lot noticed tbf

[main lion]

season 2 end ||the cadence and tone is acted differently cause singing vs goofy scientist talk isnt the same||

[obsidian basalt]

I actually did lol and I usually notice nothing

[main lion]

season 2 end ||yes, a lot noticed when it showed him at the end with ekko clapping||

[bold yew]

no i mean before that

unless they all lie to me to act cool lmao

[main lion]

they probably do

thats a thing people do

[bold yew]

regardless , it was a cool scene

[broken scarab]

@main lion I’m expecting the same amount of enthusiasm for Invincible S3

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||Did anyone else wanna try the food that Vi ordered in S1 or whatever the fuck Jayce at when he was in the bad timeline?||

[obsidian basalt]

no??

[shadow sequoia]

I think I'm just hungry

Lol

[bold yew]

[bold yew]

i forgot to watch it lol

oops wrong

[obsidian basalt]

arcane S2 end || yeah man that cursed rotten animal leg sure looks delicious ||

[bold yew]

i forgot to watch second season

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||Situational seasoning||

[main lion]

?

I've said many times that invincible is good/fun

[tawny parcel]

Clash of kings ||Tyrion is such a well written character man||

[main lion]

but it aint anywhere near arcane

[broken scarab]

[raw gate]

I forget that Eclipse is an Invincible fan sometimes

[main lion]

its still good tho

[raw gate]

I was too

Once upon a time

[shadow sequoia]

Have you read the comics

[obsidian basalt]

they made a clash royale show?

[broken scarab]

Yes

[shadow sequoia]

I only care about like... 3 things in that series lol

[bold yew]

btw , tried to watch anora yesterday and i couldnt find it in the pirate site i use lol , and its obviously not on netflix either

[raw gate]

I’ll get around to the comics since I’ve effectively lost all interest in continue show

[raw gate]

It’s still pretty new. I saw it in theaters

[shadow sequoia]

I'm conflicted about Invincible

[bold yew]

i would actually wathc that

[tawny parcel]

It’s game of thrones man

[bold yew]

yeah but the site i use always has the movies same day as they get their premiere on cinemas , so its kinda weird they dont have it yet

[raw gate]

[bold yew]

well whatever ill just watch it later

whenever its out

[raw gate]

I’ll be awaiting the promised day

🧘‍♂️

[sage remnant]

Are you near the end?

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END || https://youtu.be/MtyrwXEPxpQ?si=5bcyvwIxTbvXdBmG ||

Lmfao

[raw gate]

Sick

[shadow sequoia]

Sometimes, the internet just perfectly aligns

[bold yew]

arcane s2 end || they made an icon on league from this scene and its dope ||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||Man, Ekko really became my favorite character by the end and I fucking HATE going up against that dude midlane lmao||

[bold yew]

arcane s3 end || i blame arcane for my lp loss cause it made me play a lot of jinx in ranked||

[tawny parcel]

Clash of kings|| around halfway, just finished the chapter where tyrion essentially made Cersei’s cousin knight that’s like her pet his bitch. Its very interesting to watch him though as this man who started off with nothing and constantly being shunned to being the hand of the king. I almost take it for granted and find it obvious because “yeah he’s the dwarf with the silver tongue” but he was in the shits the first book. Love to see my man up. His relationship with shae is also interesting considering that she’s a whore, and he’s paying her but he loves her. That was the chapter I ended on ||

[shadow sequoia]

Season 3

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 End || He’s certainly the best designed in the whole show, but Jinx and Viktor clear for me ||

[bold yew]

im ahead of my time lol

[tawny parcel]

Clash of kings|| I’m also really curious what he’s doing lol. Something about this chain that he’s working on, i can’t believe this mf cut Pycelle’s dick off. Thats 2 eunuchs on the council i guess ||

Clash of kings ||also really enjoying Arya’s story this book, very fun stuff with her little troupe of misfits (even the most of them are dead now) and it’s taken a real interesting turn with her now at harrenbel? I think the name is. Tywin’s castle. ||

Clash of kings ||harrenhal||

Clash of kings ||the book is starting to pick up a bit which is nice||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||like, character design wise?

I'd go Jinx > Vi > Silco > Ekko if thats the case||

arcane s2 end || Viktor end of season 2 design is between vi and silco there||

[sage remnant]

A clash of Kings ||Yeah Arya's parts at Harrenhal are really fun ||

Was One of the best part of this season for me (well book in your case)

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 End || Yeah, I think Ekko is the best designed but in terms of favorites he’d be my third or fourth. Jinx’s design is so damn good too though ||

[tawny parcel]

Clash of kings ||also interested to see where theon goes, despite being an just a total asshole brat i kinda like him 😭 he’s funny||

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 end || Favorite characters would be Jinx > Viktor > Silco/Ekko = Ekko/Silco > Jayce ||

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end ||ekko has the one haircut that every black character in media has nowadays so I cant give him the point there lol. Jinx’s long pigtails down to her ankles take it. The way they flop around as she fights is so cool||

[obsidian basalt]

man its been like 10 years since i read asoiaf i'm reading these messages not remembering a single thing lmao

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 end || Fairs. They did give him a dread-fade in a ponytail. Maybe I’m blinded by how dope the white colored hair looks on him ||

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end || ye, overall vi and jinx take the cake for me character design wise. I dont usually say this about animated characters but vi is so hot in episode 5 ||

Arcane s2 end || they were in their bag there. That fight pit scene did things||

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 End || Oh god. I’m realizing it’s not even a ponytail, it’s a dread comb over ||

[main lion]

Yeah dude lol

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 end || I truly wish we got a full episode dedicated to that ||

[main lion]

Arcane s2

[raw gate]

😭

[spiral relic]

Arcane S2 Finale || My point was that vander is more durable than jinx, but that point is moot if jinx survived because shimmer lets her airdash away, anyway oriana part is my point, these are only self contiained if you look at it like that, more could be done with them. Ambessa's death was actually unclear enough that channel had to talk about it for a few minutes and even then it only likely ||

Oh fuck I forgot the ping

[spiral relic]

_ _

[spiral relic]

fuck no

[main lion]

Zorian you just be sayin stuff

[shadow sequoia]

Lol

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 End || Was Ambessa’s death unclear, though? Also, are there theories going around that Jinx survived? ||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||I'm surprised about the Ambessa thing because she literally had final words and then died with her eyes going out and everything||

||Idk why you're talking about Orianna when I, along with probably most people, never expected that to go further than either Singed failing to save her or succeeding to save her||

[spiral relic]

go away

[spiral relic]

yes

[raw gate]

I see

[spiral relic]

It appears we are at an impasse so I am gonna peace out to play deep rock galatic

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||That was one guy trying to say magic was the reason it was unclear which is just wrong given how people act about it in-universe + all the magic induced deaths that DID occur through stuff like hextech in-canon lol||

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 end || I obviously disagree with the former, but I don’t see why the latter couldn’t be a thing. It’s a fun lil theory for fans of the character to cope with and believe in ||

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||it’s all but confirmed jinx did survive, she was riding on that last airship as a callback to her dream from the beginning ||

[raw gate]

Wow I didn’t get that impression at all. I’ll rewatch the final scenes after work

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||+ the discussion on the vent stuff by cait||

[spiral relic]

are you talking about this juba

[young compass]

No

[bold yew]

arcane s2 end || btw cause i had a conversatrion with some friends , does it sound weird to you that i have to my top 5 charachters vander and silco ?? like ik they only played a part in s1 mostly but the impact was still enough for me ||

[spiral relic]

well that is what I was talking about

[shadow sequoia]

No

Arcane S2 END ||Silco was my favorite character of S1, bro stole the show the entire time||

[raw gate]

Facts

[main lion]

The new zolo 😭

[obsidian basalt]

people have gin in their top 10 one piece characters

[spiral relic]

Arcane S2 Finale || Silco is a bit of a choice, I feel like that lad was polarizing in a lot of ways ||

[raw gate]

Zolo Mukbang

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||do you not agree with the context of all the Noxian troops laying out their arms and Mel taking her throne? I think it’s pretty clear||

[spiral relic]

what are you yapping about now....

[young compass]

No man

Arcane s2 end ||silco was a great character ||

[main lion]

Bro was met with an in depth refutation of his points and now he hates me

[spiral relic]

Arcane S2 Finale || you can pass the throne without dying I think? ||

[main lion]

Zolo was an old member that would dip out of discussions of opposing views by saying “brb league”

[spiral relic]

oh lol

I had no way of knowing that though

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||but her eyes went out like right before they did it, idk man… lol ||

[main lion]

Ye im just teasing

No worries lol

[young compass]

It’s incredibly clear to me

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end ||her eyes lost their life. She didnt close her eyes and pass out. The life left her eyes and her expression disappeared, then her head settled in mel’s arms||

[young compass]

arcane s2 end ||like this isn’t one piece we’re talking here, even in OP I’d consider that confirmation||

[spiral relic]

you know what screw it, you are probably right and I don't fee like dying on this hill

[young compass]

I mean ur right that some people agree with you at least

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end ||its just kinda THE depiction of “dies in arms” in all forms of media. The only missing part was them pushing her eyes closed as a sign of respect||

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||btw on what we were saying earlier, Orianna is probably going to be in some manner featured in future riot shows. They’ll probably humanize her after a while ||

[shadow sequoia]

Yeah

[solid talon]

Arcane s2 ||the more I think of it, the less I like Viktor's new design and the more I dislike the fact they're going to use that as the update. Old Viktor looks exactly what he was intented to be, a machiavellian mostly robotic human, and now he looks more like a weird alien with not much of a robotic apearance.||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||I feel like his new design is way cooler than he ever was lol||

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||They changed what he’s supposed to be, of course his new design is different. It all still fits with his in-game character so I don’t get the complaints. ||

||they even did the death ray in the show man. Why would you want him to be a faux-communist robot still? It was basically Stalin from memes as a robot ||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||The death ray pulsating and working with the runes was creepy and freaky af but I loved it||

Arcane S2 END ||Really makes him way more intimidating than he is in game as well||

[raw gate]

😭

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||Idk, it just looks so much cooler than it was (I'm kinda cheating using the old splash art but it's what I'm used to lmao)||

Arcane S2 END ||Some eldritch ass shit||

[young compass]

Lmao come on Vic

[bold yew]

arcane s2 end || it looks a lil weird to me ngl , not cause its not faithfull or whatver just a lil weird||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||Bro used to look like a bionicle with a hand||

[young compass]

Arcane S2 end|| https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/lolesports_gamepedia_en/images/b/b2/Skin_Splash_Classic_Viktor.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20191212180255 ||

Erm

[solid talon]

Forgot to add the spoiler tag, have to write again

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||Yeah I'm not crazy about the new design either||

Arcane S2 END ||The one Juba just posted, not the Arcane one||

[young compass]

Don’t write again

Arcane s2 end

I have it

[solid talon]

Arcane s2 ||The one Juba posted is the old Viktor, the one you see in Arcane is the one that will make it to League||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||He's been changed to look better, I posted the original splash art but what I'm getting at is that I like the new direction they're taking the champion and I'm not crazy about the first VGU||

[last perch]

Arcane s2 ending || stop talking about arcane guys, the show ended 4 days ago||

[young compass]

lol

[last perch]

Prison break s1 ending On rewatch || the gang have broken free||

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||viktor’s initial lore was a basically savior story about him saving downtrodden miners from an ailment through cyborg alteration, only for Jayce to go murder them all cause viktor stole some part, which set him off the deep end of progress or whatever and emboldened him on evolving the human race. He was basically the voice for the proles or whatever and borrowed from the trope of communists being super robotic and “progress” oriented towards human advancement. ||

||He was changed in Arcane to what he is, but every element of his new identity fits his kit no? especially with the planned visual changes to his abilities. I don’t really get what you’re saying here lol, just that you don’t like his new form? ||

[young compass]

So you’re just rewatching it

[last perch]

Yes

[solid talon]

Arcane s2 ||Also, the whole part of Viktor being eldritch rather than being a robot goes against the general aesthetics of Piltover/Zaun which is pretty much technology, which is the extreme Viktor goes for. Like, barring Janna and Ezreal, the rest of Zaun and Piltovan champions revolve about having some gadget or using chemicals. Viktor is pretty much a magical Ultron-Jesus. And literally all other regions have their share of magical shenanigans, already.||

[last perch]

Watched it first time 3 years ago, forgot alot of details.

Almost forgot the entirety of the show, except for the endings ofc

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||you haven’t explained why we should care that they changed it to like, cosmic horror technology stuff rather than purely steampunk vs punksteampunk, I don’t get what the issue is||

Arcane s2 end ||The only feasible issue is that it wouldn’t match his abilities, but they made sure it does||

What lol

[last perch]

Arcane s2 ending || Riot is doing all this lore change because it is money gaining strategy, here how it goes, and this has been scientifically researched: They make a show that is outstanding and top quality-> people watch it and like it -> a lot of people thinking about to get in league game -> with this lore change and number of players increasing-> they will release new skins -> new skins = more money-> more money = more shows = more lore changes = more players = more skins, the cycle continue||

[last perch]

This sum up the whole thing no need to stress about arcane anymore.

[raw gate]

Are you upset

[young compass]

they’re doing the lore change cause more people like the new lore

I’m happy they’re doing it

Why wouldn’t you be unless you’re attached to a specific character aesthetic

[last perch]

New lore is marvel-like story telling stuff

Old lore is more sad and had open endings all the time, here is an example ||Warwick is someone who doesn't remember anything about himself and so his story he hunt people to figure the truth, until this day. That it, the ending is open there is no finish line||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||I think they just wanted to change up some characters' lore and design to be more grounded because a lot of League lore is just kinda whatever||

[last perch]

Meanwhile new lore || he fell in a turbine||

[young compass]

Do we just call everything just marvel now? Lmao.

It was open ended because it was written by underpaid writers

[last perch]

One piece is marvel

I called it.

[young compass]

no shit

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||You say open-ended but like... we got a conclusion, we got the Vander/Vi thing going on, we got more characterization. I don't see the problem and I don't understand how that's like Marvel.||

Arcane S2 END ||This is infinitely more than what Warwick's original lore was||

[last perch]

|| the final episode is like watching avengers movie in term of story telling||

[shadow sequoia]

What

[last perch]

But hey, phenomenal show, I am not complaining.

Animation, soundtrack, character interactions and their self conflict is what made the show top notch.

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||you think a marvel movie would let a war criminal like singed get away with his shit?||

||Signed is about to go wreak havoc on an entirely separate riot series as well lol||

[solid talon]

Arcane s2 end ||If you don't, you don't. That's pretty much what opinions are like. I just stated mine. Also, in a universe full of cosmic horrors (the Void, demons, whatever is in the Deep, Shadow Isles,Darkins...) Piltover/Zaun are the actual one place where the struggles are pretty much relating more "mundane" and man-made horrors (chembarons, Viktor, Singed, Urgot, Camille, Warwick...) and magic, while it powers the hextech, is pretty much an afterthought (which is represented with Janna background). It's beggar belief now that the silly yoink robot that is Blitzcrank and Viktor, his creator, have some actual relation. Only thing that ever comes close to that is Demacia until we get to the part the whole conflict stems from hatred towards magic|| ||Also, I agree with the final episode being more avengers assemble moment, tbh||

[young compass]

Conflict resolution = marvel movie
Open ended =/= marvel movie. Heard it here first

[last perch]

One thing I noticed about arcane in general || the story from ep1 s1 didn't have a main plot line, the plot was built based on how these characters interacted with each others and how their actions affected present and future. Of course I am not forgetting background history like piltover vs zaun||

[raw gate]

[last perch]

Don't get me wrong I am not talking about ending literally,I am talking about the way the episode was executed.

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||do you literally just mean the Jayce viktor hugging and talking shit and the whole giant interlocking resolution of all the plot lines? When people say “like the avengers”, they mean it as a way to say everything contrived to bring the entire plot line together ||

[shadow sequoia]

These takes are why I force people to talk in vc

[last perch]

Arcane s2 ending, It felt marvel like, because || somehow zaun and piltover are now friends, they fight together against their own Thanos, Thanos do the mass telekinesis shit against people, and jayce the hero of the day , it leaned forward black and white for a lot of instances||

[young compass]

Make sure to tag stuff

With series outside

[last perch]

Is this really how arcane worked in s1 and most of s2?

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 end || Piltover/Zaun dynamics are pretty undercooked, I’d say. They definitely took a backseat in the last two acts, when I’d agree that they were the primary focal point of how the show was being crafted ||

[last perch]

Arcane s2 ending ||since when jayce is hero, didn't he kill a child? Didn't he cleanse a whole race down there for his hextech operations? And so on||

[solid talon]

Arcane s2 end ||And they just happen to convenientlty ally and group right at the moment of the final battle, no less. And, to be honest, the whole Zaun and Piltover conflict feels pretty much handwaived by then.||

[obsidian basalt]

arcane s2 end || they ally right in time because its obvious for both sides that if they don't ally they'll get conquered lol ||

[last perch]

This is why I gave it 9/10

Final episode is the only cons in the show, and few more details in s2 last act but nothing major.

[raw gate]

Too high but ball up top

[last perch]

Arcane s2 ending ||you think zaun people are the kind to listen easily to piltover?? Since when? There could have been a different solution, but the writers decided to just butcher it like this||

[obsidian basalt]

arcane s2 end || my guy there's no need to listen the noxus fellas were literally already in zaun with an army lol ||

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 end || Where Piltover and Zaun leave off feels like the natural conclusion they’d always come to, the show just delivered them to that destination in an awkward and heavy-handed way ||

[last perch]

Arcane s2 ending || and even if that alliance made since, did they just clear off their grudges after viktor thing ended? Like nothing happened? Like no history at all?||

[solid talon]

My thought exactly. Everything else is top notch, it's just the final episode feels kinda awkward. Maybe they got infected with the manga ending curse ||(though more likely the usual producer/corporate idiocy that makes people with no idea on how to write a script interfering with the studio).||

[last perch]

Netflix playing its part in the show 💯

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||the fact that these basic ass storytelling components of like, any fantasy series now mean “marvel” is hilarious to me. But regardless, Arcane has NEVER been some morally ambiguous gritty tale and you were kidding yourself to imagine it was. It employs a very typical narrative about societal stratification without any real ambiguity or social analysis other than the surface level - characters acting in self-interest and given opposing goals for the purpose of continuing this stratification. Simply, to have some sort of resolved conflict piece, all that needed to change was those goals - that’s why the final scene was allowed to happen, it’s not as if the writers changed their minds or rushed something. Why do I take objection to the use of “marvel” then? Because it’s just a silly way to describe it lol. The characters aren’t suddenly pulled together by large figurative magnets, the series does a good job of gradually shifting the goals of everyone involved towards a central point that inevitably results in an overarching conflict. I can agree that some of the Zaun/Piltover reuniting scenes made me roll my eyes a bit but they were par for the course with what I expected, it’s far from some grimdark societal dredging and certainly no direct form of commentary. ||

[last perch]

Newspaper

[young compass]

Don’t turn into khamzat here

[raw gate]

Arcane S2 end || My biggest gripes with the show stems from how utterly liberal, centrist, and sensationalist it is ||

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||That’s almost every popular series’ philosophy deep down, more a reflection of a culture than anything else ||

[last perch]

|| you are still getting me wrong, I am not saying they wrote the show of s2 to become a marvell story, I am saying final episode was somehow made to make you think it is superheroes vs villians||

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end|| I get it, I think intertwining all the cosmic horror stuff together kind of compels me more at the end of the day||

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||my whole blurb is me saying you’re wrong to think it was ever going to be something different than that, and that everything was setting that up from the beginning ||

[mild seal]

Ok I can finally open all these messages

[young compass]

This is a bad place to lol

Can scroll up for more fun discussions

[mild seal]

Eh I'm sure there will be plenty over the next few days

[last perch]

Arcane s2 ending || also, this is prolly my pov, but cait and jayce aren't supposed be black and white characters, they are pretty much gray, caitlyn had her morale checked when isha showed up, so you could say she wasn't hero at all, nor that she is villian, and she kinda was hated by some fans , I already mentioned why jayce is pretty much gray, he did all this because of his friend viktor, which is a good cause , but Jayce is somehow selfish if it wasn't for viktor, he doesn't have awareness of people being hurt around him when he want to achieve his goal, as I mentioned when he wanted to make his factory down there, plus the kid falling in zaun in s1, but final episode made jayce The Hero. This is why Ekko is my most favourite character, his personality and philosophy was consistent throughout the show. Though I bet they wrote him like that because he is Riot favourite champion||

[young compass]

Arcane s2 end ||Jayce was sort of a grey character, but only because was a cocky asshole who didn’t really consider others. He changed by the end of arcane s1 but was still naive, and stayed naive until he was literally put through a ridiculous bible story where he had to overcome horrific tragedy lmao. Such an experience would warp anyone’s perspective, and given that as I said, all that really made him morally ambiguous was his attitude and his goals, once those shifted to something moral, all that was left was a fully good character with no ambiguity. And i don’t think it was unearned really, it made sense within the scheme of the series and how his life progressed. Like, yes he killed that kid and was a shithead, but he also lived out months in a desolate space world only to find just how naive everything he’d done up to that point had been. ||

||In Caitlyn’s case, she didn’t have much agency as a character to begin with. She’s basically at the whim of the actions of others the entire series - her family, vi, jinx killing her mother and warping her, vi again failing to kill jinx, ambessa; she’s only morally grey because of her reactivity. What does this mean? That once again, it’s a shallow ambiguity, and that when the series needs her to be a good guy again, it can very easily do so by bending her will. Does this make her a bad character? Not really, but I definitely wasn’t compelled by her compared to others. ||

||Ekko is probably also my favorite main heroic character. But I dunno if he’s riot’s favorite champ lol they can’t really decide how to make him meta in their intended role. I’d say Ahri is their favorite champ.||

[mild seal]

Arcane s2 end ||I really liked that alternate timeline, it was nice seeing powder happy||

[sinful vessel]

Arcane s2 end ||Guys holy shit||

[unkempt agate]

Franchise ruined

[tidal tendon]

Arcane s2 end ||These nicknames for Caitlyn on Twitter are funny as hell. Unfortunate that they’re the only form of discourse in that fandom||

||Ekko and his va facing racist backlash for referencing that term is certainly something …||

[modern lichen]

rewatched furiosa and singin' in the rain today, two incredible films

[limber harbor]

@main lion Arcane S2 Finale || just thought it was pertinent to let you know I no longer hate isha’s death ||

[main lion]

arcane s2 end || you're starting to see the light||

[limber harbor]

Arcane s2 end || I noticed a lot of the scenes I loved could only have happened if Isha died|| 😔

[limber harbor]

Was easily the best episode of the series for me

[limber harbor]

Arcane S2 Finale || this happens with soo much shows, the conflict goes from heavily internal into something that the characters can no longer control so they’re forced to fight together. ||

Arcane S2 Finale ||Caitvi I see as probably one of the worst relationships in the series with how it’s handled. It’s so fucking weird. It gets much worse in S2 were after Cait betrays Vi, clocks her in the chest with her gun and just leaves her there, she becomes a mini fascist dictator for the rest of the season and onwards until she meets Vi again on pure fucking coincidence, and then suddenly after like a few minutes of talking unfascists herself and works with Vi to take out Ambessa (this is not to say Cait was fully onboard with everything Ambessa did but she was still her ally with no sight of change until Vi) and now Cait is suddenly a good guy, and then Vi goes behind Caits back (or so she thinks) to free Jinx who is suicidal and on the verge of depression right, and after Jinx runs away after being clearly suicidal Cait and Vi decide it’s the perfect time to smash IN HER FUCKING CELL, like girl your entire purpose in the series just ran off with some pretty dangerous sounding words and this is what you’re doing? Vi feels closer to a side character for Cait’s arc as well as Jinx’s than a mc and she somehow has the most screentime in the entire series.||

Oh man and I said the other one was the last

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||throughout the entire time she worked with ambessa, she was already slowly realizing what they were doing was the wrong thing to do. It became especially pronounced when singed came into play. She didnt just "all of a sudden switch up" after the chance encounter with Vi. She had already started to doubt what they were doing, and meeting up with Vi again was the nail in the coffin for her to snap out of it. It had been months of her doubting her own actions||

[limber harbor]

Arcane S2 Finale ||yeah I mentioned that, she was not onboard with everything Ambessa was doing but was at the point Vi met her still full on going with her plans even if she had reservations on them.||

Arcane S2 finale ||going from having reservations and disagreements to full on betrayal and side switch after meeting Vi for maybe a few minutes on coincidence is far too much||

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end ||it wasnt minor reservations lol. I dont get why jinx gets a pass for her season 1 actions of being an indiscriminate terrorist after losing her father, and cait is the devil for becoming lost and an authoritative shitty leader after her mother’s murder. Jinx joined up with her dads murderer, and cait was hunting down her mom’s murderer. Theyre both extremes, but come on lol. ||

Arcane s2 end ||I feel like cait is just less charismatic as a character so everyone is less willing to accept her faults||

||intentional faults||

[tidal tendon]

Arcane s2 end ||in this case, people seem to find Jinx as much more likeable and well written character so they give her the benefit of the doubt||

[main lion]

Ye what I said in my last part

Basically

[tidal tendon]

Arcane s2 end ||The end of act 1 gave people a lot of hopes for Caitlyn’s character arc but it was a underwhelming venture to say the least even if you liked how it was resolved. There wasn’t that much screentime given to Caitlyn to really feel the weight of her actions and decision making||

||especially when all of her worst deeds minus the gassing is a music montage a minute into act 2||

[limber harbor]

Arcane S2 finale ||im not actually juding Cait on the morality of her actions, I just don’t think her and Vi’s relationships work with what she’s doing and how she acts||

[limber harbor]

Arcane S2 finale ||I think it’s also because it’s already in our face that she’s a terrible ya know? Like we know she outright murders innocent people so there’s less moral ambiguity and you don’t have to remind everyone that she’s a bad person, Cait is much more morally ambiguous||

[shrewd sigil]

arcane s2 end + league ||my 30kg underweight goat||

[obsidian basalt]

stop hating its like 10 kg underweight

[tidal tendon]

Arcane s2 end ||well, turning her entire character around after being called cupcake is not a good look.
Having doubts about Ambessa’s cause is nowhere near the same as finding some mind breaking revelation that her cause is wrong. She hasn’t even gone through a arc where she even began to forgive Jinx, but that was pushed aside by the end of act 2||

[limber harbor]

Hmm

That’s exactly what I was saying

Thought you were disagreeing with me

[tidal tendon]

Arcane s2 end ||I was slightly disagreeing with your statement that Caitlyn’s actions are in your face. If anything, we barely see any of that other than the gassing and music montage||

[limber harbor]

Arcane S2 end ||I was talking about Jinx||

[tidal tendon]

Arcane s2 end ||reading comprehension devil got to me||

[versed totem]

I just finished season 2 of Arcane

Shoot me now

I watched all of it in two days, I'm overwhelmed

[shadow sequoia]

Did you like it

[sinful vessel]

That deserves a rewatch tbh

Definitely won’t overload your brain

[primal mason]

I'm gonna watch the movie Shoplifters.

[primal mason]

https://x.com/schaffrillas/status/1861518535811297550?s=46&t=lt96tnL-KevDqAbpgE7qDA

Schaffrillas (@Schaffrillas) on X

Saw Moana 2

Twitter · Nov 26, 2024, 9:12 PM

It’s joeover

[versed totem]

I definitely did, not as peak as season 1 but comes very close. I don't get all the hate it got on the Internet and I hesitated to watch because of it. But it definitely is worth watching

[versed totem]

Actually I rewatched season 1 before that so all in all I watched the two seasons in 4 days

[shrewd sigil]

oops

nvm man clearly discord doesn't want me to send this message

i made 100% sure that image was tagged before sending and it still sent untagged somehow

[arctic flax]

lol channel is all arcane talk

[shadow sequoia]

Awesome

[last perch]

That how good the show is tbh

It is on par with top level shows that aren't even cartoons

Arcane s2 ending meme

[arctic flax]

plan to watch it sometime

heard good stuff bout the animation

[last perch]

Animation, soundtrack, character interactions...etc

[mint kiln]

Arcane Season 2 episode 6 ||Fuck man Jayce why ||

This show sucks

[mint kiln]

Final episode of arcane

[mint kiln]

Aaaaaaand it's done

That was great

[limber harbor]

Motherfucker how

Did you watch the episodes in 2x speed

[mint kiln]

No I just waited till the rest of my family went to sleep and from 12 am to 3:20 am (right now) I watched from episodes 4 to 9 on the big TV

Man I need to relearn how to type

This is getting embarrassing

[limber harbor]

Nah I just meant you commented on Episode 6 and then said you finished an hour later

[mint kiln]

Arcane Season 2 ending ||so do Jayce and Viktor just die together at the end? And I know there was some teaser at the very end but I would not know what it was referencing||

[limber harbor]

So it seemed like you watched 3 45 minute episodes in an hour lol

[mint kiln]

Oh yeah I had already finished episode 7 by then

Or like watched half of it

[primal mason]

Finished Shoplifters ||I connected with this film a lot with the characters and the way it does the found family trope. Just watching the family become more connected, even when the "parents" are driven by theft and money, only for the family to shatter once they're caught was heartbreaking. The moments where characters just quietly reminisce I find to be the most powerful. I really liked it. ||

[young compass]

yes

[bold yew]

Really ? Arcane s2 end || I thought they were absorbed into the hextech thing and it was kinda up to us to understand if they died or went to another universe like Ekko and heimer ||

[modern lichen]

@white smelt

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/holding-space-defying-gravity-wicked-interview-meaning-1236223273/ that interviewer is fucking crazy lol

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||it was less just "having doubts" and imo, more like the was on the verge of flipping sides anyway. She made a lot of comments outwardly about the optics of working with Singed. I think this is one of those times where not seeing a characters' internal thoughts is hurting the experience for many. ||

Arcane s2 end || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns0N8bcB95I ||

peak

[obsidian basalt]

fire even

[shadow sequoia]

Starting my rewatch now

Need to see what I missed in S2

[white smelt]

[shadow sequoia]

Rewatching Arcane to write about it

[bold yew]

thats crazy , but respect

[sand cypress]

arcane s2 e7 || masterpiece episode ||

[white smelt]

https://x.com/NeoRyoji/status/1861323471235461390

fem ryoji (@NeoRyoji) on X

Arcane fans watching SpongeBob

Twitter · Nov 26, 2024, 8:17 AM

[young compass]

i just imagine wanze scrolls twitter all day

[white smelt]

It’s gotten pretty bad yeah

[main lion]

watch arcane instead

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END || https://www.techradar.com/streaming/netflix/arcane-co-creator-vows-we-will-learn-from-it-after-fan-frustrations-of-the-netflix-shows-rushed-final-season ||

Interesting

[main lion]

arcane s2 end ||before people misinterpret this, this isnt them saying "yeah it was rushed". Its them saying "we wanted to focus on different things and we recognize that isnt what many wanted"||

[shadow sequoia]

Yeah

[dim hedge]

Been putting it off all week but its arcane finale time

[last perch]

Arcane s2 ep7 reminded me of a game...

[sage remnant]

https://fixvx.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1861276133649469915

It's so over...

[last perch]

You have been saying that since chatgpt was out 2 years ago...

[sage remnant]

Hmm?

Do you know me?

[mild seal]

clearly he does user21321

[last perch]

I think you missed what I am saying.

[sage remnant]

I didn't

[last perch]

You did

By "you" I meant that people like you think that "it is over" whenever an AI take an evolution phase.

[modern lichen]

[sage remnant]

...

[modern lichen]

fucking creative work is being stolen and you think its ok?

[raw gate]

AI can be useful and good, just not when it’s being used to create something that is so deeply colored by identity as art is. And yes, I mean all forms of art, writing included

[modern lichen]

that's entire scripts stolen

usually against the will of creators

[last perch]

It is not, but that doesn't mean copyright and credibilities are gone.

[modern lichen]

https://x.com/_AlexHirsch/status/1861483366672945286 this is the creator of gravity falls reacting to the fact that his work is stolen

Alex Hirsch (@_AlexHirsch) on X

Oh neat, they’re stealing episodes of Gravity Falls to train AI. Hypothetical question: is it possible to encode a virus into a TV script. No particular reason

Twitter · Nov 26, 2024, 6:53 PM

[dim hedge]

Finished arcane

[raw gate]

Noice

[last perch]

Ok, I am not gonna state more "opinions" on this considering I don't have much knowledge in movies industry, but if AI is reading the script from the internet, it is not stealing... it is how internet is used.

Unless that AI start producing a similar clone to gravity fall, that's stealing.

Which is bound to happen 😂

The same way AI is now trained to make arts

[raw gate]

Why else would they be training it on these scripts if not to manufacture something akin to them

[last perch]

True, if you know the intention of that AI creator, but a good AI developer would train their AI to produce unique ideas.

[dim hedge]

Arcane s2 end || what an ending man, thanks to the internet I’d already been spoiled on everything in the finale and gotta say, i loved it, every minute, i thought it was a great finale, only real complaints are that Sevika being non existent for a majority of it after ep 3 even though she became a counsellor (and also Jinxs dreadful final look, if they were gonna cut her hair at least make it the same as her look when talking to ekko ) ||

[last perch]

Which is kinda hard.

[dim hedge]

Arcane s2 end || favourite part of the ep was by far the Jayce Viktor conclusion, made me tear up, ep 7 of this season probably remains my favourite episode of the whole series though ||

Now to get into league

[shadow sequoia]

Don't do it

[young compass]

He already accomplished the virus part by making gravity falls what it was

I’ve seen like a couple random minutes of that show from people recommending it throughout the years and it was hard to watch

the model being trained on his work will be worse now thanks to his efforts

[raw gate]

How do you feel about Adventure Time?

[young compass]

same deal, hard to watch

[last perch]

I want to watch it sometime

[spiral relic]

Children show aren't supposed to appeal to adults

[young compass]

We’re in a one piece server

Some do

I was told to watch gravity falls on those grounds, it didn’t hold up

[last perch]

People misunderstood the the dystopia of AI evolution IMO, they think it will "replace" them completely, but I think that's is stupid, I think the dystopia here would be to make people completely depend on AI's to do their jobs , which means, it will just prevent people from being creative at all, someone like the gravity fall writer/director in future, will be too lazy to think about a script and addicted to the chat bot to create a "recycled" script for him.

[last perch]

One piece is literally PG+13

[raw gate]

Quality supersedes the target audience imo

[mild seal]

and you're misunderstanding that AI training is using artist's work without their permission which is stealing

[dim hedge]

Gravity falls hate

[raw gate]

But, yeah, some shows are objectively for toddlers

[last perch]

I already said it is stealing, what are you on?

[raw gate]

Not always the case tho

[last perch]

Read between the lines maybe.

[spiral relic]

One piece isn't for Children, it for teens or young adults or some shit

[last perch]

I said reading scripts from internet is not technically stealing, but making an idea to be similar to what the script based on is stealing.

[young compass]

Oda basically said he writes with his 15 year old self in mind. Gravity falls probably had a similar demographic

[last perch]

True for post timeskip.

Actually, small part of pre too

[mild seal]

if it reads the script of a copyrighted work then that is stealing

[last perch]

If it is freely available on internet, it is not.

Why would it be on internet for free to begin with?

[mild seal]

oh damn I didn't know it had to be free for it to be legal

[shadow sequoia]

Gravity Falls is kinda meh

I liked it more when I was younger

[mild seal]

I guess piracy is legal

since its free

[shadow sequoia]

Amphibia better

AI is bad for anything related to art imo

[spiral relic]

More than twice the audience of GF

[shadow sequoia]

Kill that shit with fire please

[last perch]

Listen, I am not bashing gravity fall director, I am fully sympathizing with him because it is his work, I am just saying, you can always filter AI to not "steal" but to take inspiration, it is possible.

[shadow sequoia]

Adventure Time is an acid trip of a show

[last perch]

Is AT a kid show?

[raw gate]

Yes

That’s the target demographic

[last perch]

It is Pg-14

[raw gate]

But again, quality often supersedes demographics

[raw gate]

I’m 25, that’s a kid to me

[last perch]

Ok fair.

[spiral relic]

Wow a dinosaur

[last perch]

Watch Requiem for Dream, it is for adults

[raw gate]

I think I’m actually fairly young for this servers standards ngl

[shadow sequoia]

Quarter of a century = Halfway in the grave

[dim hedge]

👴

[modern lichen]

idk what it would be like if i watched it now but i really liked it when i watched it for the first time years ago

[spiral relic]

Tbh I am surprised internet liked jinx half as much as they did

[dim hedge]

Thats like 100 rei

[shadow sequoia]

Jinx being a fun character to play as well as being a well written one made me like her a lot more

Back then, I would've just been like "Cringey Harley Quinn"

[raw gate]

I’m still agile and flexible

[obsidian basalt]

I watched a few episodes of gravity falls for the first time in like 10 years recently and they were mostly good

and the best episodes remained very good

[spiral relic]

Lmao

[modern lichen]

yeah idk what juba means here but its generally real fun

[spiral relic]

I tried watching spongebob as an adult

It was nowhere near as fun

[shadow sequoia]

Seasons 1 - 3 are peak

Some of the later seasons too

[spiral relic]

Yeah those were what I watched

I vividly remembered some episodes and moments fondly

But when I watched it was dull

Doesn't hit the same

[shadow sequoia]

You might just be cooked on the inside

That shit still makes me laugh

[last perch]

SpongeBob still make me laugh sometimes

SpongeBob character is highly autistic, I think that one reason it is funny.

[modern lichen]

@young compass what's your favorite animated show

[young compass]

more than TWICE!! My point was more that everyone I’ve heard talk about the show has told me that it’s one of those written for both adults and kids, just like people say one piece is. It’s one of the cartoons with like, a rather robust adult fan base I’d say, I used to see a lot of them on tumblr. So to say “oh it’s a kid’s show it’s not supposed to appeal!” is just a silly non-argument, I thought it was dumb because I wasn’t interested in the elements that were there, not cause of how kiddy it is, and I enjoy other stuff that’s meant for kids

[young compass]

Like western cartoon?

[modern lichen]

yep

[shadow sequoia]

Who the fuck told you Gravity Falls is for kids and adults

Biggest lie in the universe lol

[obsidian basalt]

i mean that's what people say about every cartoon they think is good

[spiral relic]

I think I just experienced too much media since then and have a higher expectation of shows tbh

[young compass]

Probably ren & stimpy? I haven’t watched many I enjoyed lol. I liked that one as a kid and I liked uh, pinky and the brain

[shadow sequoia]

Do you think Spongebob fits that bill compared to like... Phineas and Ferb?

[obsidian basalt]

phineas and ferb went hard back in the day

[young compass]

I don’t know if I like any of the modern thin-line animated shows like gravity falls or adventure time etc.

[modern lichen]

oh nice, they're both cool, i prefer ren and stimpy myself

[shadow sequoia]

It's been a bit since I watched it but I wasn't as crazy about it as an adult as I was back then

[modern lichen]

my childhood didnt have stuff like regular show or adventure time

[obsidian basalt]

never watched either

[shadow sequoia]

I feel like people gaslight themselves a bit cause Gravity Falls S1 or S2 (No idea where this happens more) ||Has a lot of very kid-centric, awkward stalker/romance episodes||

[obsidian basalt]

S1

[shadow sequoia]

Like back then, I probably didn't notice or mind

But it's so much lol

Gravity Falls S2 END ||Give me more Stan and Bill and mysteries, not all this Mabel obsessing over boys||

[young compass]

Does home movies count as a cartoon lol

I thought that was funny whenever I watched that, probably 15 years ago

[shadow sequoia]

But that's why I think the demographic matters in the case of that show specifically

[spiral relic]

Chill homie you said it has similar demographic to 15 years oda probably and I fact checked it for you

[shadow sequoia]

Just like how I think most kids and adults could enjoy Spongebob but idk about P&F

[young compass]

Don’t be obtuse, this was to support your initial point lol

[modern lichen]

just checked juba, its an animated sitcom but its still a cartoon so yeah

in the vein of simpsons or family guy

[spiral relic]

Those can be separate and were in this instance lol

[last perch]

Watch Requiem for Dream or The Subtance before you sleep if you want smooth sleep experience.

[modern lichen]

lol

they're both tame

[young compass]

Sorry the comment you replied to was actually me replying to a separate feature of your argument, not the one you just replied to, so you should go reply to that one first before replying again

[obsidian basalt]

anyway the greatest western cartoon of all time

[last perch]

Discord mod in nutshell

[modern lichen]

i wanna rewatch the tintin animated series

its been a while since i did so

[young compass]

discord mod = sarcasm

[mild seal]

he's actually a discord admin

[spiral relic]

Hmm yes very smooth dreams

[modern lichen]

requiem for a dream is tragic and dark but aronofsky has made a more bleak film with the wrestler

[spiral relic]

Why are all the admins here so passive aggressive

[last perch]

First time discord?

[young compass]

Dw, we only fall for bait once, so you won’t have to deal with it in the future

[tawny parcel]

Animaniacs

It has pinky and the brain in it so how could it be bad

[raw gate]

This all goes back to quality superseding everything else

[tawny parcel]

What are we doing tonight? The same thing we do every night….

[raw gate]

Why even discuss demographics unless you’re literally discussing Dora the Explorer or sum shit

[spiral relic]

I am not baiting... If it is written for children then it won't appeal to adults. If it is written for children and adults it may appeal to adults, but usually falls short of it.

[modern lichen]

?

something can be written for children expressly and can be enjoyed by adults, adults are not automatically separate from fiction written for young demographics, it can appeal to them if there is nuance and merit in that work, stuff like earthsea is a novel series written for children infused with stuff that an adult would enjoy

[young compass]

I responded to that argument and you ignored it to respond to the first sentence of my post. The subreddit for gravity falls has 1m+ members. The creator of the show said it’s written as stuff he likes that just happens to be appropriate for kids. I don’t really see your point with any of this

[raw gate]

Well said

[modern lichen]

why do you think people watch stuff like bluey and cry their eyes out, when its something meant for children

[young compass]

Cause they’re emotionally stunted Australian weirdos

[modern lichen]

true

but also

[sonic tree]

is that a thing???

[young compass]

Yes

[sonic tree]

are people crying watching Bluey???

[modern lichen]

yeah i've seen videos of people just bawling watching bluey

[sonic tree]

grown adults?

[modern lichen]

grown adults

[sonic tree]

ok

[raw gate]

😭

[obsidian basalt]

me when i watch bluey

[modern lichen]

i never watched bluey, just small clips and i probably am not the adult who would cry watching it but it definitely has people being affected by it

[obsidian basalt]

idk tho i'm a person who cries very easily, i've cried at surface level shit or stuff for kids

[main lion]

Better not be seeing bluey slander…

[sonic tree]

I'm not going to lie

[modern lichen]

we now have an adult in the room who cries watching bluey

finally

[young compass]

Whenever i watch megas xlr i cry my eyes out

[sonic tree]

I thought it was weird that grown adults watched bluey at all finding out they cry is really affecting me

[modern lichen]

who the fuck is megas xlr

you know what

never mind

[main lion]

Isnt it just parents or w/e

[spiral relic]

I feel like when I said kids I mean single digit age and people are including teens in it lol

[raw gate]

Disney adults existing dismantles this entire argument about stuff written for younger audiences not being palatable for an older demographic

[obsidian basalt]

what is a "disney adult" lol

[modern lichen]

adults who are fanatics about disney

[main lion]

Adults who go to disney world with no kids

[spiral relic]

lol

[mild seal]

disney is their entire life

[shadow sequoia]

Dreamlight Valley players

[spiral relic]

I stand corrected, manchildren exist 🫡

[main lion]

I live in south florida so Ive met quite a few

Dating apps are filled with them here

To date me, you must be ok with going to disney at least 5 times a year

Type shit

[modern lichen]

fuck

i've seen some videos, man...

[obsidian basalt]

i think its more my wallet that needs to agree than me ngl

[spiral relic]

have you agreed to date them

[main lion]

No ive always swiped left

[spiral relic]

based........

[main lion]

They have that on their profiles

[sonic tree]

Red is a bluey adult so he's a good match with them yeah

[main lion]

Im too poor for that anyway ye

[dim hedge]

Get them to read haikyuu in exchange

[modern lichen]

dating apps are a nightmare

[shadow sequoia]

5 times a year?

Are they making six figures

[main lion]

I thought itd be a funny bit to pretend i love bluey but I cant give you any ammo. Ive never watched bluey in my life

[spiral relic]

It seems like dating apps don't pan out if you are looking for long term stuff unless ur lucky

[young compass]

Talking to Pixar fans about why you thought a particular film didn’t resonate is like, virtually impossible. Soul for example, ||where I thought it was a clumsy and convoluted yet shallow discussion of too many topics that it kind of ended up out of depth about. || Someone who is super into Disney is made intensely vulnerable the moment the animation starts moving and views any thematic emotional element as meaningful just because it’s emotional, where the fact that it’s a Pixar film with art style/animation/soundtrack does the heavy lifting

[sonic tree]

it's too late you're already a cemented Bluey fan in my mind

[modern lichen]

its over for red

he'll never be back

[main lion]

When is redey

[obsidian basalt]

[modern lichen]

time to reinvent the wheel

[dim hedge]

Blueys shadow…

[sonic tree]

reddy has a gun

[obsidian basalt]

is it worse to be considered a bluey fan or to be found by the bluey mafia

[young compass]

the what

[modern lichen]

bluey mafia is just emotionally stunted australian weirdos

[main lion]

The bluey mafia…

[sonic tree]

Bluey mafia immediately breaks into tears at the first sign of conflict so I think you're safe from them

[main lion]

The most I know about bluey is the occasional northernlion clip talking about it

Thats a bluey adult

[sonic tree]

Glad NL is holding down the Peppa Pig fort

[main lion]

Fr

[young compass]

is that the bald rambling dude

[main lion]

Yeah lol

https://youtu.be/ga_0RKZQfL4?si=ZLevN8_JIF37vpD9

This is a good 5 minutes to watch if you have time

Since you said rambly

[sage remnant]

I didn't understand anything you guys said in like last 10 mins lol

[main lion]

Anyway, i just scrolled up and saw an abysmal buri take

[sage remnant]

Didn't even know smth called Bluey existed

[dim hedge]

Which one

[main lion]

@dim hedge arcane s2 end || why tf would her final look be the au powder’s hair. Thats powder. This is jinx. Shes got the punk look||

[dim hedge]

Arcane s2 end || i meant when she was gonna kill herself ||

|| the hair was longer but still cut ||

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end || smh my head ||

[jolly heath]

seeing it from a different POV is so fucking funny

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end ||wait it was literally just her normal haircut but the pigtails awkwardly and haphazardly cut off. Youre crazy ||

[main lion]

Ye its ridiculous dude. The guy is a creature

[dim hedge]

Arcane s2 end || the outfit was fine (worse than her regular one but fine) but my girl was not pulling off the buzed sides ||

[main lion]

Youre crazy

[dim hedge]

I’m right

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||This almost makes me want to play League again... almost...||

[dim hedge]

Arcane s2 end || the pink streaks went hard though, if only Ekko rewinded and told her not to cut so much… ||

[shadow sequoia]

Arcane S2 END ||He had to save up doing the risky more time-rewind thing to stop Viktor 😔||

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end ||I think this skin is like $200 so you can pass on it||

[shadow sequoia]

Fr?

[main lion]

Yup lol

[obsidian basalt]

surely skins don't actually cost that much

[jolly heath]

[main lion]

Just this one

[jolly heath]

they made an ahri one for faker which was like 500 iirc

[shadow sequoia]

That one I remember

[obsidian basalt]

me when its time to decide whether i want to buy premium earbuds or a league of legends skin

[shadow sequoia]

What the fuck

Earbuds? Bro, that's a healthcare bill

[obsidian basalt]

so is a league skin 🙏

[dim hedge]

Do they actually cost that much

Playing as arcane characters without their skins would feel weird but if thats the price

[obsidian basalt]

why would you play league tho

[dim hedge]

Because i need more

I need to be the characters i like

[obsidian basalt]

i think reading fanfiction would probably be closer to arcane than playing league lol

[main lion]

The other arcane character skins are like 10-15 bucks

[dim hedge]

I somehow haven’t delved into fanfic in general surprisingly

[raw gate]

That’s so silly

[dim hedge]

I should someday though

[raw gate]

What makes that one so special

[main lion]

Fanfic is cringe

So good

[dim hedge]

I’d say thats manageable but then i remember aud conversion

[obsidian basalt]

the only fanfic i've read a bit of was artur piece i think

[dim hedge]

Not sure if i’d be willing to drop $20 on them…

[main lion]

I dropped artur piece

Dogshit

[raw gate]

Can I log it on Anilist

[dim hedge]

Artur piece is honestly beautiful at paying respect to oda and one piece by showing us that if the fans wrote it it’d be terrible

[young compass]

Its basically like three $20 skins in one with various other random effects tied to it

The other arcane skins are like $10

[raw gate]

Oh okay

That sorta makes sense then

[young compass]

it’s not worth the price and league players aren’t happy with it

but they’re marketing it to whales so

that’s who matters here

[main lion]

Would they drop the price to normal in like 5 years

Or would I be able to get it in a hextech chest

[bold yew]

will still try for the jinx skin lol

[main lion]

HUH

[bold yew]

[mild seal]

arcane s2 end ||I thought it was purple, cause red and blue make purple||

[young compass]

No

[young compass]

There’s a gambling thing specifically tied to it

[main lion]

Kms

[young compass]

to guarantee you need to drop like $200

[main lion]

Thats crazy lol

[bold yew]

BUT

there is always a chance to get it earlier

[main lion]

Jinx was my most played adc even before arcane so thats sad. Not that I ever play adc really

[dim hedge]

Arcane s2 end || yeah it was dk why i said pink ||

[main lion]

Arcane s2 end ||that frame of her with the hood on goes so hard||

[dim hedge]

Arcane s2 end || it does, shes so cool ||

[young compass]

You’ll also get other random stuff along the way

like other skins etc.

They’re basically making you pay for a bundle

just through gambling

[bold yew]

i think if you get a skin its guarantee to be epic , so worse case senario you just get other skins

[young compass]

Riot has been pretty transparent about this being a money grab, so I don’t really care

[main lion]

Did you do it

[young compass]

It sucks for mains who have their champ skipped on the skin itinerary for a while

[young compass]

No lol I rarely buy RP

[main lion]

Based

[young compass]

Only when a gragas skin comes out

[main lion]

I played kindred today and saw they finally gave her more skins

[bold yew]

so you have santa gragas? ( best skin)

[main lion]

Them* I guess

[young compass]

Yeah kindred just got a new one

[young compass]

I have them all

[bold yew]

based

[main lion]

For so long kindred only had the one extra skin every new champ gets

[young compass]

Santa is really jank lol, it makes your q animation feel weird

[bold yew]

its fun

this and cillbilly idk how to write it lol

[main lion]

The new vi skin has cool animations. Wish every characters animations were so bouncy

But ik thats unrealistic ig

[young compass]

New Lee Sin is super bouncy lol

They’re definitely leaning more into it for champs with a lot of motion

[bold yew]

from the arcane ones vi and jayce are the best and still this game gave me caitlyn one

[young compass]

Viktor one looks cool

[bold yew]

i havent seen it yet

[mint kiln]

Arcane season 2 done, time to again resist the urge to install league

Maybe I should just get into the lore somehow

Arcane season 2 end ||mayhaps?||

They said they wouldn't do any more relating to Arcane itself but Fortiche would still be able to do other League based shows right?

[obsidian basalt]

arcane s2 end || about 5% chance she's dead (i think that is the scene in the pic lol)||

[mint kiln]

Arcane season 2 end ||yeah it's Jinx's big explosion to take out Vander and yeah lol I maybe thought it at first but then Caitlyn looks at the Hexgate schematics and smirks and thought there's no shot she's dead||

[obsidian basalt]

arcane s2 end || its not even only that. there's also the air ship, which is the exact air ship jinx points at in s1 ep1 when she says she'll ride one one day, and then the jinx flash right at the end ||

[mint kiln]

Arcane s2 end ||wow I completely forgot about that yeah no she's chilling||

[dim hedge]

Arcane s2 end || happy for her ||

[clever spade]

you could play legends of runeterra

[native kelp]

Arcane end was perfect

[native kelp]

Give league a try?

[mint kiln]

no offense but id rather not

[native kelp]

Good desicion. (I have 7000 hrs on that game)

[mint kiln]

jesus

[native kelp]

Well is 5 years playing it after all

[clever spade]

that's even worse. If you started on day 1 then yea it wouldn't be as crazy

[native kelp]

I think ppl that dosent play league and know all the stories and lore it haves to offer are not ready for what is coming

[shrewd sigil]

yeah riot has hinted heavily that they want to stay with fortiche for future projects

not to mention they own some of fortiche

[mint kiln]

ah ok

thats cool

one of arcanes strongest bits was the insane animation all through out

if the plot wasnt as good as it was i still probably wouldve enjoyed it

[native kelp]

If u have interest there is a lot of good cinematics abt other lores and stories on yt that league did before abt other regions and characters

[clever spade]

man I just want ||Mordekaiser ||to appear or sum

[clever spade]

like one of the only champions I know (besides those in arcane) is him

[native kelp]

||i think he may bc the black rose is connected to it, and if they add demacia then maybe Jinx can show? She is friends with Lux||

[clever spade]

||I really really hope he does. He's just so awesome||

[native kelp]

||the 🐦‍⬛ with 3 eyes can be a reference to Swain?|| idk if u know that one

[clever spade]

||ye ye I do know swain. It's definitely him||

[clever spade]

||the next series/film or whatever has to take place in noxus. I think the crow foreshadows that||

[native kelp]

|| i just wonder if they will do it Noxus vs Ionia or Noxus vs Demacia||

[native kelp]

||I think they may mix characters of Ionia Demacia and Noxus, Ionia characters are very popular in the game and ppl like them sooo||