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#vc-manga
summer marsh
rain dock
wtf?
summer marsh
@paper sonnet chapter when??
paper sonnet
refer to my name 
rain dock
!chapterwait
gaunt pollenBOT
rain dock
Screenshot (Nov 29, 2018 7:51:36 PM)
fallen moss
!urban blackbeard
gaunt pollenBOT
Urban Dictionary
summer marsh
😍
sour jolt
sinful oak
😂
ocean acorn
terse vale
You can even see how serious law is on the cover page
vast latch
Thank you again guys
ocean acorn
@vast latch hello 👋 👀
vast latch
Hola Hypno!
lean merlin
shut cradle
@rough flint luffy def got stronger since punk hazard, also it may be proportional to amount of sea stone. luffy's tied up in chains there, in this chapter he just has handcuffs
shut cradle
ok, he prob just got stronger then
shut cradle
may have been there from vegapunk's supply
rough flint
shut cradle
ocean acorn
I loved this last chapter 👌 🔥
lean merlin
ocean acorn
why is lucci there ?
shut cradle
this is somebody's wet dream, lucci is obv there
sour jolt
coarse marlin
Killer 4 nakama
ocean acorn
perona's laugh
rough flint
horororororororo
shut cradle
carrot is the traitor
tranquil notch
coarse marlin
is carrot nakama? Y / N
rough flint
She’s not one yet
But she has the highest chance imo of any other contender of becoming one
coarse marlin
GOOD
summer arch
Luffy burns allot of calories, i doubt he gets diabetes
shut cradle
^ lmao
deft elbow
fallen moss
deft elbow
terse vale
They nickname Queen "lightning mc"
fallen moss
WRRRYYYYYYY
terse vale
Can you put haki on armor or just weapons
¯_(ツ)_/¯
he is focused on the ladies not cooking
smh
Luffy already 1v1'd Kaido
He lost.
coarse marlin
buster call wano please
timid anvil
tranquil notch
mental moat
Wtf was that about south america
upbeat zealot
stark pewter
he became so buff
gray walrus
Is the discussion for the manga done????
rough flint
#notmymod
dense canopy
so much pirate bias
warm sparrow
Still the gayest Josuke ever
stone roost
What is a voice chat manga
cunning ingot
!saltji
gaunt pollenBOT
cunning ingot
!hmm
gaunt pollenBOT
vivid lance
this cracks me down when i saw the last page...
void rapids
flat drift
Just look at their bounties
rough flint
while true, that's not enough for the haters
tacit grotto
placid flame
its logic. Zoro with his 3 katana is in competition with Sanji without any weapons
somber kindle
sanji with raidsuit would be cool
thats the whole reason he got it, he should wear it
tough tiger
His power up being 0 sword style
flat drift
You fools
Oda already spoiled it in the last sbs
Zoro gets more swords as he ages
That's his power ups
placid flame
zoro at 80yo
hot dirge
rotund hare
We saw the back of his head
hot dirge
Luffy grew hair
cunning ingot
oh god what if it really is future luffy in the cell
im gonna have nightmares of this
warm sparrow
Same
paper sonnet
There's a higher chance of that being me than future luffy.
warm sparrow
So what you're saying is....there's a chance?
paper sonnet
Less of a chance of that being me but yes, a non-zero chance.
meager dew
@meager dew
ok just tell me why couldnt law in the least teleport Kaido?
his room is as big as an island
and there is a lot of things eh can do in his room
u cant answer it bc its true that oda lacks logic in the manga
end of story
meager dew
but that whathe can do
subtle trellis
He covered the top of the tower
dense canopy
destroyed by facts and logic
subtle trellis
not dressrosa
warm sparrow
Huh
meager dew
Link back to Casear island
warm sparrow
Guess I'm just dumb then
meager dew
he didnt look sick when he used it
dense canopy
plus
meager dew
taking kaido out is worth his life span
subtle trellis
How would he take kaido out
dense canopy
it's headcanon but ithink he needs to know exactly where that other thing is
subtle trellis
how would warping him somewhere very close by take out kaido
dense canopy
and thats gay
subtle trellis
His room wouldnt reach the ocean
dense canopy
what red said
and he has to switch kaido and something even if he did
and i doubt he can switch kaido and a water particle
meager dew
why not take kaido;s heart away?
subtle trellis
Hed have to touch kaido to do that
meager dew
how about in the water
dense canopy
because he needs to get in close range
warm sparrow
Dude
warm sparrow
Did you see their size difference?
dense canopy
gear 4 is far far faster than law in terms of speed
yet kaido just blitzed him
HARD
warm sparrow
His heart is probably as big as Law himself
dense canopy
even if law teleported himself in front of kaido
kaido would definitely be able to react
subtle trellis
!disgusting
gaunt pollenBOT
meager dew
@dense canopy kaido appeared drunk so we can say he wasnt really in his strategic state
so law could appeared behind him
dense canopy
kaido sobered up after luffy's beating of him
which is why he went for another drink
meager dew
or that was the mindsetthat oda want for law to have
dense canopy
idk why law would try to fight kaido after he saw what he did to luffy
when he left it to luffy to defeat doflamingo when he couldn't
meager dew
luffy was stupid
tulip magnet
Kaido was so sad when he got sober
meager dew
he directly challenged him
dense canopy
plus law was ready to save luffy
austere tide
I don’t think he’s going to try to fight luffy. He’s trying to get the opportunity to take his heart
meager dew
law can sneak behind him and do the teleportion
dense canopy
but hawkins got in the way
austere tide
Kaido*
meager dew
heck law couldnt even save him even after kaido lefy
dense canopy
because of hawkins
meager dew
gear 4 was kinda slow
meager dew
idk, he is big
dense canopy
doesn't mean he's slow
meager dew
brb
dense canopy
look at big mom she's hella fast
even though she's like 8 m tall
it was all law could do to escape himself from hawkins
after the seastone nail
austere tide
Yeah I’m sure at this point all the yonkous could whoop luffys ass
dense canopy
far above
austere tide
Cause he barley pulled out of his fight kata
dense canopy
kaido did to a 100% healthy luffy in under a second what katakuri couldn't do in 10 hours
dense canopy
true he couldn't access his obs haki
but i dont think that would change much
in the grand scheme of things
cause luffy's specialty is endurance
which is why he was able to defeat katakuri
eventually
but kaido knocked his ass out in one hit
austere tide
Yeah basically beat kata through determination and finding openings from kata getting emotional
Kata sister really helped luffy out in that fight
dense canopy
kata didn't really get emotional except for the merienda moment
but because of kata's honor flampe eventually caused luffy to win
through endurance
austere tide
He got really upset at her. And then self inflicted himself. But I still think luffy would have won even if kata didn’t hurt himself
Some people were arguing that was the reason luffy won
I disagree
dense canopy
I don't think luffy would have won if kata didn't injure himself
but let's agree to disagree
but i don't think kata couldn't use his CoO after his scuffle with flampe
austere tide
Kata honor got the best of him for sure
dense canopy
he calmed himself down after yelling at her
austere tide
Yeah. Luffy really pulled out. His power makes him absorb so much damage
Which makes it way more funny that Kaido destroyed him lol
dense canopy
yeah it shows how much of a difference there is between a commander and yonko
austere tide
Wasn’t WB stronger then Kaido
dense canopy
although not all commanders are the same
people argue about it
but i dont think oldbeard was stronger than kaido
primebeard was though in my opinion
tulip magnet
prime whitebeard might have been a lil bit stronger simply because of his fruit
again I don't think even Roger could middiff a yonko
any yonko is a high diff imo
dense canopy
i doubt roger was THAT much stronger than a yonko
austere tide
Well Rogers and WB were considered equal in strength which really says something
dense canopy
yeah
meager dew
wait u guys didnt know
tulip magnet
yes
again I don't think its a crazy gap
its a gap but a minimal gap at best
meager dew
kaido mace is made of sea stone
dense canopy
what
tulip magnet
that was never stated
tulip magnet
this was never stated
austere tide
Yonkous commanders are not meant to fight other yonkous
tulip magnet
no
meager dew
ok
austere tide
That’d be crazy
meager dew
what do u think kaido;s mace is made from?
dense canopy
it might be a seastone tipped weapon like smoker's
tulip magnet
I don't know maybe its just a club
austere tide
If anything when carrying his mace it probably makes him weaker then he is lol
dense canopy
as long as he doesn't touch the seastone he wouldn't be weakened
so like maybe the whole thing is seastone except for the handle
austere tide
Well aren’t luffy and law chained to sea stone
austere tide
And they still have crazy power
tulip magnet
Kaido doesn't need that shit
he's the strongest beast in the world
he could use a fucking broom and still clean house with Luffy
austere tide
So no doubt Kaido can resist it
dense canopy
yeah but what's the point
dense canopy
Kid*
meager dew
no
tulip magnet
*Kidd
meager dew
the broom would break
dense canopy
it's Kid until oda changes it
meager dew
i thought sea stones were only accesible to the marines
austere tide
In the past they made sea stone look so much more damaging. Like touching it made you useless if you are df
tulip magnet
show Viz translation
austere tide
Lol
meager dew
how did they get the sea stones
tulip magnet
@meager dew Wano is literally the origin of seastone
tulip magnet
are u asking me
meager dew
which is why we can say that the mace is made of sea stone
dense canopy
you said kaido himself was seastone lmao
tulip magnet
LOL
austere tide
Kaido knocked luffy out with pure strength alone
warm sparrow
Nvm I'm just dumb, Squid
tulip magnet
at least we agree on something
warm sparrow
Kys
subtle trellis
Why would he need a seastone club
tulip magnet
same
austere tide
Which was funny cause I thought luffy was beating his ass lol
tulip magnet
Luffy wasn't beating shit
austere tide
No he wasn’t lol
tulip magnet
Kaido was fuckin drunk bro
tulip magnet
he would have been off balanced as hell
but he did not take any damage lol :)
austere tide
So the moment he sobered up he just fucked luffy
meager dew
warm sparrow
Yeah I'm just stupid
meager dew
since kaido is the strongest beast in the OP world, he can be unaffected from the sea stone
warm sparrow
My memory isn't the greatest
meager dew
which is common sense
dense canopy
why would he nerf himself
tulip magnet
at least you remember to hate me
thats something u can take accomplish in
tulip magnet
thats a theory not a fact
meager dew
luffy is near to shanks power
austere tide
So shiliew probably going to kill Mihawk right?
meager dew
right?
dense canopy
luffy ain't close to shanks level
tulip magnet
what fucking trash was vomited on my screen
meager dew
we know shank can kill kaido but maybe luffy is halfways as strong as shanks
dense canopy
if shanks is on par with big mom and kaido
tulip magnet
what?
dense canopy
and he could BARELY beat katakuri
tulip magnet
are you a zolo alt
austere tide
Shanks talked Kaido from not entering the war
dense canopy
he is nowhere near their level
meager dew
and kaido acted like a big baby
so shanks handle his behaviour
there was definantly some violence involved
austere tide
There can only be 4 yonkous though. So some yonkou dies in wano
austere tide
I think shanks with his crew could
tulip magnet
No
thats fucking stupid
half a yonko
meager dew
the point is how strong is luffy to shanks
meager dew
is he 1 tenth of shanks power or lesser
austere tide
Cause shanks first mate is as strong as a yonko
tulip magnet
this is stupid
meager dew
@tulip magnet where does it say that shanks cant beat katakuri?
austere tide
Shanks is probably the strongest yonko
meager dew
he is
tulip magnet
YOU SAID SHANKS COULD KILL KAIDO
subtle trellis
The autism is strong with this one 
warm sparrow
subtle trellis
meager dew
and his haki is enough to hurt kaido
tulip magnet
WHITEBEARD FAILED BIG MOM FAILED
EVERYONE FAILED NAVY FAILED
AND THIS RED HAIRED SHANKS CAN KILL HIM
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS AUTISM I AM HEARING
THIS AUTISM IS KILLING ME
tulip magnet
killing him
austere tide
Shanks doesn’t even care about the op
tulip magnet
Kaido is the biggest threat in the New World
thats why he would kill Kaido
subtle trellis
SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAMINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
meager dew
ik he cant kill him, but he can injure him
warm sparrow
tulip magnet
@subtle trellis you see this shit right
tell me this is not killing your braincells
subtle trellis
Can he tho
meager dew
But kaido hadnt threatened the navy or yonkou
tulip magnet
are these dudes zolo alts seriously
austere tide
Shanks probably couldn’t kill Kaido
tulip magnet
Kaido had challenged the four emperors and the Navy singlehandedly
tulip magnet
7 times
austere tide
Kaido has to be killed strategically since he can’t be beat in battle
austere tide
Kaido can’t be beat in battle
meager dew
world strongest beast vs world strongest haki
which one is more effecitve
haki since kaido is using a df
austere tide
Kaido can use haki
tulip magnet
ah yes
Luffy will do what the legendary whitebeard couldn't do or the monster that is big mom or fucking shanks or even himself
congradu fucking lations
paper sonnet
Congratu*
warm sparrow
tulip magnet
please end this discussion this is giving me brain cancer
meager dew
just maybe after the wano ark, zoro could get a sea stone sword
or that could be one that could end kaido
austere tide
Since zoro is probably odens son
meager dew
true
fallen moss
Maybe Luffy and Zoro will swordfight and he will be Pirate King and World's Greatest Swordsman
meager dew
otherwise oden wouldnt exclude zoro out of kaido's battke
luffy cant do shit to kaido
fallen moss
You just said he woukd beat Kaido
meager dew
but zoro in his strongest form with a sea stone sword would probalby be as good as shank or better against kaido
austere tide
Shililew will kill mihawk making him number one. Then zoro will kill him becoming number one
meager dew
I said Zoro
subtle trellis
Its the most common theory around
meager dew
i think its safe that we all can come to a conclusion that zoro will actually finish the job it oden has some actualy logic
tulip magnet
they have just as much headcanon as you
austere tide
Isn’t mihawk expecting a fight
indigo rune
so 👌
austere tide
Isn’t that why he said it was good that girl left
indigo rune
just because you're not bigbrained enough to realize shanks > kaido doesn't mean you should call it headcanon
tulip magnet
u can believe it
your just not big brained enough
Kaido > Shanks
see how we can say shit without any evidence
indigo rune
see.. if you were bigbrained enough, you wouldn't need oda to spell out e v e r y t h i n g to you
tough tiger
Kaido strongest beast
Shanks strongest bro
austere tide
Keep it friendly
tulip magnet
Shanks is best bro
indigo rune
judging by how oda portrays things, its safe to assume kaido really isnt as strrong as you want him to be
austere tide
Idk
tulip magnet
evidence please
indigo rune
@austere tide not being big brained isnt necessarily a bad thing though?
austere tide
I thinks he is crazy to strong
I’m the most prediction based person in this chat lol
I’m literally the biggest brained lol
tulip magnet
whats wrong with me thinking kaido is stronger in a 1v1
I can easily accept Shanks having stronger HAKI but strength
no that shit needs actual feats
¯_(ツ)_/¯
indigo rune
that's an inaccurate statement considering im on this server as well
the issue is you're making that assumption based on rumors, squid
tough tiger
Is able to stop Kaido from getting to Marineford
thinks that Shanks isn't equal to or greater than Kaido
indigo rune
time and time again its been proven that rumors are often not true in this series
tulip magnet
your basing it on marines rumors
again its been proven that rumors are often not true in this series
paper sonnet
Like when sky islands turned out to be fake
indigo rune
thats right, squid!
tulip magnet
and again I said I can accept Shanks having stronger haki
but stronger in a 1v1 I think it goes to kaido unless we find feats that put him above kaido
@austere tide if kaido showed up at marineford the WG would have surrendered
and Kaido still would have murdered them
Whitebeard and Kaido
Strongest Man and Beast
thats a killing combo
tulip magnet
why would I reread
tough tiger
I mean, it would've been a really hard fight
tough tiger
and thousands, if not millions, of people would die
tulip magnet
I am just saying it would have been a massacre
tough tiger
but it's a bit ridiculous to think that the WG would surrender like that, especially since Kaido wouldn't team up with WB
indigo rune
imagine yourself as some fodder in the new world
tulip magnet
whitebeard with his earthquakes
kaido with him being fucking kaido
my thing is that why would you point out a yonko being unbeatable in a 1v1 can be said for any yonko
why kaido tho and especially if he's been defeated
it was a teamup in my opinon
austere tide
The rumor came out after WB died though right
indigo rune
would you think kaido is stronger than shanks solely because he goes around destroying things?
ofc you would
shanks is peaceful, even though hes the strongest yonko
that's why people dont hype him as much
people see a 1 handed 6-foot man and will automatically assume he's weaker than a semi-giant
tulip magnet
any proof
show me the level of difficulty kaido was beaten
show me shanks defeated him in a 1 v 1 and show me everything
tough tiger
It's really hard to believe that Kaido would team up with any other pirate captain
indigo rune
reread, squid
tulip magnet
reread
indigo rune
its all in the series
tough tiger
especially since he can barely cooperate with BM
tulip magnet
no panels of shanks getting offscreened
austere tide
Kaido wouldn’t team up with anyone
indigo rune
but in your next attempt, read at a slower pace so you can digest info easier
austere tide
He would make them his subordinate
tulip magnet
yeah
its an unprovable
subtle trellis
Puggy D Clown 
tulip magnet
all u can rely on is prefrence
austere tide
I guess will have to wait to see shanks fight
subtle trellis
tulip magnet
and my prefrence is kaido
zolo is shanks
austere tide
Preference on who’d win a war between eachother?
tulip magnet
the thing is Zolo is pushing it as fact and simply telling me to reread one piece
tough tiger
If your point is 'unproveable' or you're not willing to get evidence
then why are you arguing it
austere tide
Shanks would fuck Kaido army up
tulip magnet
because its fucking prefrence
Zolo is shanks
I think Kaido
tough tiger
then why even bring up "if you don't show evidence then gtfo"
tulip magnet
because he made the claim
you make the claim
you back it up
common man
have u never done debate club 😎
austere tide
So shanks could easily one shot luffy
Big mom couldn’t even do that. So is BM the weakest of the yonkos?
Besides luffy
tough tiger
depends on which year you're talking about
tulip magnet
number one Luffy ain't a yonko
yonko mean 4 emperors
Kaido Big Mom Shanks Blackbeard
no one was replaced hence Luffy cannot be a yonko
austere tide
Luffy was declared a yonko
tough tiger
during Marineford I'd argue that she wasn't the weakest of the yonkos
austere tide
There is evidence of that
austere tide
Exactly one yonko has to die
tulip magnet
yeah but when that chapter was made no yonko was replaced
austere tide
And three yonkos are about to be in wano correct
tulip magnet
@austere tide but when that chapter was made no yonko were replaced
so luffy couldn't be a yonko
also morgan was lying
and everyone in the Navy called him out on his bs
tulip magnet
again even the word YONKO
yonko means 4
they would have to change the name to Gokou
and thats way less catchy so no
austere tide
I mean ik it means 4
tough tiger
CNN announcing that Dwayne Johnson is now the president doesn't make it true
tulip magnet
then who got replaced
austere tide
I can’t argue that yonko doesn’t mean 4
And I wanted to post the script of Kaido talking about it but I can’t
tulip magnet
what type of king did you say you'd be
you brat
tulip magnet
dude get a role and show me the panel
tough tiger
tulip magnet
-roleme
tough tiger
-roleme and then "marines" "revolutionaries" or "pirates"
gaunt pollenBOT
KoyaBot ©
tulip magnet
do it in bots sweetie
austere tide
So what you guys are saying is he was declared as one but technically isn’t one
That makes sense
tulip magnet
Morgan declared him in an emperor
and that was in the paper
flat drift
It's just hype
sinful oak
paper sonnet
@cunning ingot
tulip magnet
hory shit he looks like luffy
cunning ingot
What
dense canopy
@paper sonnet i think this would be pretty cool for marines pirates and revos
maiden ridge
same
tough tiger
King Dededunked
dense canopy
@maiden ridge did hydra say anything about the react with X for X role?
maiden ridge
uhh hydra didnt say anything in vc about that rn but it is something i brought up to rood before
dense canopy
ah
paper sonnet
do it pussy
dense canopy
paper sonnet
your wrist
dense canopy
meager dew
Thoughts on Wano so far?
meager dew
@tulip magnet how do i be captain?
warm sparrow
@meager dew get 20K messages
sinful oak
void rapids
why ant I join VC
coarse marlin
the way they described Komurasaki make me think of boa hancock
fallen moss
@rough flint Franky would not 1-shot most of these guys
rough flint
he would
fallen moss
Maybe in the robot
rough flint
radical beam would literally 1shot all of them
rough flint
yeah but she cant do anything back
coarse marlin
is franky stronger than sanji?
fallen moss
Yes she can lmao
rough flint
no
fallen moss
She's probably able to fight still
fallen moss
Ya'll are so used to Luffy and Zoro fighting these guys that you're forgetting just how strong those 2 are in the world
rough flint
was way faster than franky
fallen moss
The Headliners are equivalent to the Ministers
fallen moss
So they vary in strengrh
rough flint
@maiden ridge
maiden ridge
?
rough flint
babu needs help
maiden ridge
weird
fallen moss
The main fight will probably be the weaker straw hats fighting Headliners
void rapids
I just want to listen
rough flint
on zou
fallen moss
They vary in strength
Much like the Ministers
Hawkins is a Headliner. Meaning he's still on their general level. Probably the top-tier of them
fallen moss
Wait
rough flint
4 if you count hawkins
rough flint
when i see a strong headliner
fallen moss
So I hate the "Straw Hats can beat these guys so they're trash." Meme. If you look at the whole world they are far above average
rough flint
i will take the stance of variance
I could definitely see Usopp or Nami losing to a smile headliner, but the other ones introduced so far, no
fallen moss
The Gifters would be stronger than the typical crew, otherwise they're useless to Kaido in the first place. 2 or 3 probably have the strength of a Pacifista
shut cradle
shut cradle
lofty socket
Red hair guy was after the skypeia arc i guess
rough flint
there was a long red haired guy
lofty socket
When they fall directly into a marine base
rough flint
that was best friends with noland
warm sparrow
He was after Zou
rough flint
marine base is a filler
warm sparrow
Not Dressrosa
lofty socket
Yeah but the red hair marin guy was in the filler only. As far as i remember
lofty socket
😂
warm sparrow
Adam is talking about this guy
cursive lance
New character
cursive lance
Calgara
rough flint
smh youssef not even in the vc
cursive lance
I don't think Killer would betray Kid
rough flint
"Komurasaki is momonosuke sister" this is the right answer
i feel like a fool
for not realizing this as i read the chapter
sour jolt
shut cradle
Sanji's supreme mastery at using this form of Haki is evident in the following examples:
He helped Kin'emon recover his torso from within the lake on Punk Hazard, actively using Kenbunshoku Haki in order to locate the samurai's torso within the dark water.[41]
He was able to perceive Tashigi being beaten by Vergo, despite the considerable distance between them.[43]
He detected a sniper on a rooftop 16 meters above the ground, and intercepted him before he was able to shoot.[44]
He found the Thousand Sunny (with some of their crewmates aboard) in the middle of the sea.[45]
He was even able to tell people's true intentions the first time they meet (as with Kin'emon or Viola, though it did not help with Pudding).[46][47]
He was also able to sense Nekomamushi's aura from within Capone Bege's body castle.[48]
He dodged a jellybean bullet that was aimed at him by Katakuri. Sanji's ability to both sense the bullet and dodge it left even the Sweet Commander surprised.[49]
He was able to dodge multiple bullets being fired at him by Pudding, all from point-blank range.[50]
sour jolt
rough flint
!godsofpirate
gaunt pollenBOT
shut cradle
C U R S E D I M A G E S
lean merlin
sour jolt
shut cradle
hollow wharf
lean merlin
sour jolt
shut cradle
tulip magnet
When she be on top
zealous bronze
Damn, just noticed Oda out here reusing names
rough flint
it's like the 3rd one
flat drift
That's fine 👌
mild mirage
@honest path Potential topic for one of your class presentations.
honest path
nice
trail sierra
@meager dew love that
west marsh
I’m almost caught up to the manga
meager dew
Hi
dense canopy
hi
flat drift
hi
opaque acorn
hi
rotund hare
Hi
tough tiger
hi
chrome hare
hi
jade wharf
hi
tiny jay
hi
nova plover
hi
chrome shuttle
Hi
placid flame
hi
meager dew
sas
flat drift
hi
rough flint
“How can you not respect zoro like common” -baitbochaka
dense canopy
tulip magnet
Zoro is very respectable
dense canopy
warm sparrow
meager dew
warm rune
Noice
flat drift
😩
dense canopy
shutup rigger
dense canopy
i just dumb myself down so that i can talk to you imbeciles
flat drift
That's just what you think, fool
sullen crypt
tulip magnet
Brooooo
maiden ridge
Enel!!
subtle trellis
dense canopy
@hard nymph join us in gaming room vc 
hard nymph
can't vc, roommates sleeping
hard nymph
if i could i'd be talkin od shit
outer light
ruby junco
@honest path https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnXqQN_y0xc
honest path
that escalated very quickly
rose crater
paper sonnet
strong bay
zinc ridge
Pretty clear the way gear 4th is going is "More modes of gear 4, Instead of more modes of gear #" so gear 4th may get new forms but he wont get a gear 5
supple oar
I'm still hoping to get a full car like system. At least 5 gears, and a reverse gear.
With the latter being particularly useful in a fight against someone like BB.
jagged basin
i feel like awakening will be labeled as gear 5
zinc ridge
I hope he doesnt awaken
Luffy doesnt need the best powerups available he could do his own thing and robin or the others could awaken
And how would rubber even Awaken? He doesnt produce rubber he is rubber
would he Make everything around him rubber like but still its original shape?
supple oar
Awakening doesn't apply to DF's that produce only. Zoan Awakenings have completely different traits to what we've seen from Doffy.
And Awakening being Luffy's gear 5 does seem fairly likely.
ruby junco
Likely is the wrong word, but it is a possibility for it.
cursive lance
I think it’s pretty likely tbh. Especially with his last two end arc opponents being Paramecia-types with Awakened abilities.
For Luffy awakening his fruit anyway.
Idk about it being Gear 5
ruby junco
It's not all that likely, awakening didn't help either of them and Luffy showed 0 interest in learning how it works or what it is
We even got his power up from the last fight, it was his haki. He has no real reason to learn it right now
cursive lance
It would just be weird to introduce this whole concept, have it be used by two of Luffy’s end of arc antagonists (who both happen to be Paramecia users) back-to-back, and then not have Luffy be able to use it at some point.
But it’s whatever we’ll see what happens.
ruby junco
That's weird? That's not very weird
It's not a powerup that made any difference in either fight
light breach
woosh
ruby junco
And is something he has 0 lead on how to actually attain or use
And the only way it comes about so far doesn't fit his fighting style at all
Seriously, awakening has no real reason to be a thing for Luffy. It's just kind of cool to see people have it
cursive lance
What do you mean by made no difference? Because Luffy won in the end?
ruby junco
Maybe he'll get it, sure
Not just that, in neither circumstance was it really needed
But yeah, ultimately, neither time did it help him
cursive lance
If it wasn’t needed then why re-introduce it at all
ruby junco
There's no correlation there
It being in the series doesn't mean it's needed at all
Katakuri damn sure didn't need it
Hell, even to make his constructs he could've just dumped some mochi off of his body to use
And it's a good thing to keep in the series so no one asks why only one person in the whole franchise has it
cursive lance
Then why does it exist at all? If neither character really needed it then it’s just there for no reason and Oda just decided to give it to both of Luffy’s end of arc antagonists back-to-back?
Dunno bro, just sounds fishy to me
ruby junco
But you're still making a correlation that doesn't exist
It being in the series doesn't mean Luffy will get it
Like, fi he'd shown literally any interest whatsoever in it at any point, that would be one thing
But it gets mentioned once and then never again in both fights, and Luffy shows no want to learn it at all
Even as he's learning a new skill against Katakuri that he's actually interested in. That's the real nail in the coffin for it, he already had the chance to potentially pick it up and learn about it
And chose something else
Why would he go back and think "Boy, I need awakening now!" with no prompting and no real use for a brand new, radically fighting style altering technique?
Incidentally, Katakuri was hardly a paramecia. Literally only in name and nothing else.
cursive lance
I mean, I don’t really want to argue about the likelihood of it. But to me it just sounds a bit odd for the only two occurrences we’ve had of Awakened Devil Fruits in battles after the timeskip would cone from two of Luffy’s arc battles back-to-back, and then it wouldn’t be relevant to him later on. But again, we’ll just have to see what happens.
ruby junco
Luffy had two fights in Whole Cake island
It was a bit of a mess, I wouldn't try to paste it to the same formula as before
When Zou starts, Oda switches his stuff up pretty hard
cursive lance
Yeah, Katakuri’s situation is weird as his Devil Fruit apparently functions as a Logia despite being a Paramecia. It’s like he was only made to be a Paramecia for the parallels between his fruit and Luffy’s.
Yes, but I’m talking about the battles which occurred in the final act of those arcs, Doffy and Katakuri.
tulip magnet
my thing is
isn't logia's supposed to be natural
i.e the substance they can emit and turn into non man made there natural
ruby junco
No, you're talking about the battle that occurred in the final act of Dressrosa, and the battle that occurred almost at the end of Whole Cake. You're talking about his two biggest
Yes squid, which seems to be the only reason Katakuri is a paramecia and not a logia
tulip magnet
oh thanks for correcting me
cursive lance
I thought it was obvious that I was talking about his battles at the end of both arcs.
tulip magnet
but he's still a paramecia
he can just using his observation and awakening
act like a logia sort of
ruby junco
The Katakuri fight wasn't the end of Whole Cake Island bruh
He had to fight, then had an entire chase scene after
tulip magnet
there was a big big mom chase
ruby junco
It was just the biggest fight, not the end
You're trying to fit a few things into a box that don't necessarily have to fit there
tulip magnet
with nami brook fishman pirates carrot chopper
vs big mom and her fleets
@cursive lance what are you arguing 😕
cursive lance
But it was the final opponent of his arc in the same way that Crocodile, Lucci, and Doflamingo were despite there being more left in those arcs after the fact. Luffy usually has a battle in the final act of every arc as a part of its climax. That’s what both Doffy and Kata were.
@tulip magnet Not really arguing. Just explaining why I think it is likely for Luffy to unlock his Awakening.
ruby junco
After those arcs, the danger was almost totally done. Minus a little bit of marine chasing that amounts to nothing, they're out after the big fight
In Whole Cake Island, there was an actual massive chase and small war going on still that nearly killed everyone
It was basically a small Marineford after instead of them just hopping off to a good night's sleep
cursive lance
Alabasta had them escaping from the Marines. Ended Lobby had the Buster Call. Dressrosa had the Fujitora fight and escape. I feel like we’re splitting hairs here.
ruby junco
The closest to a previous one for that would be kind of enies lobby, and that took about a chapter after the fight to deal with
I just mentioned everything you said tho...
And why it's apart from Whole Cake
I mean, for one thing, Katakuri was just the biggest fight, not the main one. Big Mom never went down in the arc, and arguably given that she's on her way to Wano now, you could even say it's just not over for her yet
And having said that
He actually fought Cracker longer
cursive lance
Yes, and I fail to see how this means Katakuri’s fight wasn’t Luffy’s climactic event of the WCI Arc. The Cracker fight was longer in-universe but the Katakuri fight lasted for many more chapters and occurred during the arc’s climax. While the other Straw Hats were trying to escape, Luffy was battling Katakuri and trying to surpass him.
I feel like this is getting nowhere though. Let’s just agree to disagree.
ruby junco
Yeah, it was focused on more because there wasn't going ot be a time skip for the next to last fight of the arc lol
cursive lance
tulip magnet
?
ruby junco
I also didn't say it wasn't Luffy's climactic event of the arc, I said it wasn't the last of the arc
Which is true, there was still the entire rest of the chase to deal with
tulip magnet
I mean I think there's a possibility for Luffy to unlock his awakening
but no amount of awakening can get his shit ready for the King of the Beasts
God of the 1v1
Yonko Kaido
ruby junco
Yeh, that's the big thing squid
cursive lance
Not at all
ruby junco
If his awakening is about as useful as the rest
It'll amount to literally nothing
but a minor inconvenience for the opponent
cursive lance
Of course, it doesn’t need to be awakened here and the payoff for it doesn’t need to be Luffy defeating a Yonkou.
tulip magnet
but like at most I see awakening for luffy as a speed boost
for example making the air rubbery and bouncing around gaining a lot of acceleration
cursive lance
I mean, it could be a lot of things. I don’t even know what Oda could do with it to make it interesting.
ruby junco
Well two things wrong with that
The first, awakening doesn't affect the air
And the second, Luffy can already do that lol
Bouncing off, that is
cursive lance
Yeah
tulip magnet
that would be pretty broken if air was affected by awakening
cursive lance
If Oda does anything with it at all I imagine it will be something a bit stylish. Otherwise it would be pretty underwhelming after Luffy’s previous power-ups.
tulip magnet
if whitebeard ever awakened his fruit
he would he like choke them with earthquakes putting a earthquake in his mouth or something like that
so as a paramecia can luffy make the ground rubber with he awakened
cursive lance
Lol “I put an earthquake in your mouth.”
ruby junco
I'd imagine the gura gura's awakening would be making vibrations come from every surface
Instead of just the person
but who knows
Definitely would make it the most powerful fruit around
tulip magnet
I don't know man vivre card say otherwise
the magma magma fruit is apparently one of the top dogs dude
ruby junco
that's also another thing I wanted to point out tho; unlike haki, awakening hasn't actually been a consistently used thing in the higher ups of the world
No admiral, Emperor, and the majority of commanders don't even have it as far as we've ever seen
cursive lance
Tbh I don’t know how I feel about the concept yet for that reason.
ruby junco
That's what really makes me feel like Luffy probably isn't going to get it, but maybe another strawhat will
cursive lance
No consistent rules or understanding of it yet.
tulip magnet
maybe awakening is used by not the strongest people
maybe those who work under yonko
they can eliminate fodder but if a serious threat comes they need to use awakening
like the yonko base strength is just so fucking ridiculous
its like other than a yonko
why would they even need to use awakening or even haki of that matter
we saw what happens when a real emperor fought at most a top commander
it ended badly for the oppenent man
ruby junco
Maybe it'll turn out they all do actually have it
and just haven't been confirmed yet
So Luffy w ill end up getting it
tulip magnet
my question is
how much of a boost is a zoan awakening
zinc ridge
I imagine the boost is similar to chopper's strongest from to choppers monster form, + some
also i think if anyone gets a awakenign it will be chopper
So he can use monster point and be alot stronger
tulip magnet
Zoan awakening makes you extremely tough and strong
they also have an extreme amount of recovery
supple oar
I just want to point out, that just because something hasn't been crucial, or even significant in fights, doesn't mean it won't develop in the future. CoO wasn't seen as particularly useful in fights up until the Katakuri fight, and now the advanced version of it seems to be a necessity we expect Luffy to try and use in his future fights. I'm sure after four priests and Enel were all defeated despite using mantra, people thought, oh that's a cool power but not one the crew needs. Yet, here we are now. In fact, I'd be surprised if the majority hadn't brushed mantra aside as something we'd see again.
Awakenings were introduced back in Impel down. They have been notable in arguably the most significant fights since the time skip, and are for all intents and purposes, still a Chekhov's Gun. Luffy was made aware of it, and it's been in the arsenal of some of his strongest opponents. The groundwork was laid down for a reason. We expect universal abilities like this to be hinted and used throughout, just as Haki was.
I imagine if and when the Strawhat's are introduced to Vegapunk, we'll get a lot of narrative answers, but also see that as an opportunity for most of the crew to grow and strengthen. Chopper already seems to have awakened, and I think Luffy will follow suit in due time.
And the reason I see it as Gear 5, is because it will be a power jump dependent on his fruit, like the other gears. And other forms and power ups till then, will be forms of Gear Fourth in my opinion. Though I don't expect any more than the three we've already seen. Maybe one more at best.
tulip magnet
we know awakening makes zoans far more powerful
placid flame
but what others abilities would marco have with his awakening (if he didnt awake his df yet) ?
coz his DF isnt rly offensivly powerful
tough tiger
tulip magnet
@placid flame but we know Zoans when awakened get far more powerful
but then again Marco fruit doesn't have any offensive power
placid flame
yep
supple oar
It's hard to claim what exactly Awakenings do. There are so many subcategories to DF's that it's hard to pigeon hole all of them into one or two forms of awakenings.
rotund musk
Zoans just have a lot of special things to them.
supple oar
Classic Zoans get heightened strength and crazy recovery. I imagine the same holds true for mythical Zoans, but we don't know if there would be added benefits, because those fruits have very unique properties.
rotund musk
from being able to be fed to objects to being the only type so far that has being produced in limited capability
ruby junco
I'm really glad they're getting it, too
It's nice that they're not just basic animal things, they're turning out to be the most unique group of fruits
rotund musk
the 3 base forms were a bit misleading
since it's just the initial power one gets
sorry it's 2, since one is just being whatever they are
supple oar
I'm assuming Ryokugyo's fruit will be a very unique Zoan.
rotund musk
my guess is that or a paramecia
I'm still hoping for being a plant human or something similar
supple oar
I think we'll have it so that each of the 3 admirals has one kind of fruit. Whereas the original three all had Logia's
supple oar
Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru all had logias.
Now we have Kizaru with the logia, Fujitora with the paramecia and Ryokugyo with the unknown.
zinc ridge
Its possible its zoan just cause ya know the pattern
supple oar
There's only 3 admirals. Akainu is no longer one. He's fleet admiral, if that's what you were referencing as two.
zinc ridge
could it be a mythical Zoan cause most zoan's arent Admiral level