manga-theories

[strong heath]

how many ponehlypjs do the straw hats leave again

[trim flicker]

1 or 2 i think

[crimson geyser]

I think after Wano Luffy and the Grand fleet are gonna do something big

[strong heath]

luffy gonna get kaido so low

[trim flicker]

2, bms and the one from zou

[compact glade]

Hes prolly dying

[strong heath]

then blackbeard will come and take his fruit and kill one of straw hats

[analog cobalt]

Wdym?

[compact glade]

I want him to die because he wants to die

I want to see him die

[analog cobalt]

You guys read the recent chapters?

[trim flicker]

So 2/4. Shanks would probably share his willingly, so if they beat kaido theres all 4

[strong heath]

how many poneglyphs does straw hats need left

[compact glade]

Is that weird

[analog cobalt]

Luffy got knocked

[trim flicker]

2

[compact glade]

We don't know if shanks has it, I remember a episode that said one is at kaido's territory, one is at zou, the other is at big moms but the last one no one knows where it is

[trim flicker]

Hmmm. Bet Rayleigh could help figure out the last one

[compact glade]

Yeah prolly

[strong heath]

last ones at saobody

[compact glade]

Or its at lodestar or somethin

[strong heath]

why would rayleigh be there for no reason only to cost ships he has a purpose shows why he was so eager to train luffy last poneglyh at sabaody

[compact glade]

Rayleigh stays there because he loves to gamble and his wife and her bar is there

[strong heath]

or logue town

[trim flicker]

Man likes hussel muscle man groves

[strong heath]

you have to think outside of the box

[compact glade]

His purpose is gamble, get captured, beat everyone's ass, go to bar, get drunk, repeat

[strong heath]

logue town ??

[trim flicker]

But somehow stayed completely unknown to the world till he got discovered again

[compact glade]

Eh nah, I dont think they will be taking any turn backs until the end of the series

[strong heath]

yh

true true

or it could be at mariejois

[compact glade]

Okay maybe just once if luffy catches wind that sabo is capture but

[compact glade]

The marines wouldn't be worried about people finding the one piece if that was the case dont you think?

[strong heath]

yeah

[compact glade]

Unless imu is the only person that knows its at mariejoa

[strong heath]

it’s the only way it has to be

[compact glade]

It could be at Lodestar Island tho

[strong heath]

there’s no other place

it had to be someone guarded properly with full on protection two of them in yonkos hands

[compact glade]

I mean imagine if the last red poneglyph is chilling at lodestar under 0 protection

[strong heath]

but i honestly think blackbeard and luffy willl reach raftel at the same time

[trim flicker]

I almost think bbs gonna get there first

[strong heath]

and then they fight

yh but it wouldn’t be as good if he got there first yu no

the hype of him finding first won’t be the best

[analog cobalt]

Strawhats trying to decipher something > Blackbeard and his immediate subordinates arrive > they fight

[strong heath]

yes

[compact glade]

Pie eating competition whoever wins gets it

[trim flicker]

Thats the point i feel, that luffy lost but keeps fighting anyways, eventually overcoming BB through his indomitable will

[strong heath]

zoro v shiryu goes on

i think luffy will get gear 5 against kaido

[trim flicker]

Either g5 or awakening

[strong heath]

and awakening against bb

[trim flicker]

Ah. Possibly. I think vs bb its gonna be straight haki. The whole "negates df" setup makes me think itll be a battle of strength and will

[compact glade]

I feel like gear 5 doesent roll out the tounge too good

[strong heath]

true say

[trim flicker]

Honestly even sans gomu luffy is still pretty strong and getting stronger every chapter

[strong heath]

cause we gotta rememebr that blackbeard was taking on sengoku and defeated ace before timeskip with zero experience with his dev fruits and know he has two with a timeskip he had also he’s probably been mastering the fruits the

[compact glade]

Was he taking on sengoku? Didn't sengoku send him flying

[strong heath]

no watch the clip

icl i think blackbeard is strongest yonko or the same as kaido rn

ok goodnight know

[analog cobalt]

I wonder when we’ll get the meaning to D.

It’s either determination or dream something

[strong heath]

it was a family like the celestial dragons

then the celestial dragons took over and extc

before the celestial dragons the world goverment was led by the ds

[analog cobalt]

[strong heath]

wat

[plush sparrow]

One piece prediction

The gum fruit was somehow rocks D xebecs fruit

[analog cobalt]

Rocks was a rock who ate the human human fruit, everyone knows this

[plush sparrow]

Dang

[coarse hinge]

Joyboy fruit?

[plush sparrow]

Maybe

All I know is that with the newest chapter, the gum fruit seems a little more important than I thought

[keen portal]

If it was xebec's fruit, WB big mom kaido and Garp would have made a remark on first seeing luffy's powers already

[coarse hinge]

In the early concept (it's animated in eps 908/909) gomu gomu was worth 5Billion like Ope ope

[plush sparrow]

Then maybe it was someone's fruit from the past, like joy boy or someone in the history of the world

[coarse hinge]

Yea. More likely joyboy maybe

[keen portal]

Sure. But no way to know for sure as of yet

[analog cobalt]

Pretty sure kaido did

Just didn’t reference rocks

[keen portal]

That was him mocking luffy's gomu gomy cry

[coarse hinge]

Waiting area effect of gomu gomu aka awakening & sticky traits.

[plush sparrow]

Gomu awakening sounds weird

It would just make everything around it elastic

[coarse hinge]

Good counter against Gura Gura you can cover the building with it 😂

[analog cobalt]

Luffy can extend his lifespan, thus making him the eternal pirate king

[plush sparrow]

WB punches a wall and the Shockwave goes back and hits his face

[trim flicker]

GOMU GOMU NO BOUNCE HOUSE: turns everything around the user into rubber, allowing the user to unpredictably bounce enemies around in such a way that they are unable to gain footing, orient themselves or stop their motion

Also causes most any attack that misses to bounce back at the attacker

[analog cobalt]

Gomu gomu rubber sword, makes sword unable to hurt luffy due to them being rubber and not sharp

[trim flicker]

Thats pretty good too. Luffy turns inanimate objects around him to rubber. Not tooooo op but still pretty op

[plush sparrow]

Imagine if luffy somehow turns other people into rubber men with awakening

Sounds impossible but it's fun to think of

Sanji with gear 2 and diable jambe

[crimson geyser]

The grand fleet is gonna do something big

[marsh patio]

Maybe. Do they have Luffy vivre cards?

[rigid wadi]

And imagine after Wano, and Fleet gets all Tammed SMILE users lol

[crimson geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-731_1LNyU watch this whole video and read the caption

you can start from 2:00 if you want

[crimson geyser]

idk

[coarse hinge]

Some theory: Vegapunk show up at the end of Wano arc end cures the SMILE effect of civilians

[crimson geyser]

nah

[marsh patio]

Holy shit thank you for pointing that out. I missed that during my binging.

[crimson geyser]

np

[marsh patio]

So the Grand Fleet WILL do something wild at some point.

[crimson geyser]

yh

[crimson geyser]

I think it might involve Chopper and Caesar Clown

[marsh patio]

I can honestly see it just being Chopper too

[analog cobalt]

What about Law

[crimson geyser]

Alliance with luffy ends after wano

[grizzled fog]

Maybe. It can continue

[analog cobalt]

Yea and? The smile shit is in Wano?

[crimson geyser]

it was suppose to be until they defeat kaido

[grizzled fog]

Yes. But that doesn’t mean they HAVE to end it there

They’re friends and they like each other lol. They can just not end the alliance

[crimson geyser]

I honest think Chopper will make a cure

[oak mural]

law wants to know will of d it is possible only if he is with sh as simple as that

[analog cobalt]

Chopper more like

[crimson geyser]

we'll see what they decide to do

[analog cobalt]

Chipper

[oak mural]

that wont happen imo he will side with luffy in the last war

[crimson geyser]

It might happen but they'll still be friends

luffy and the top 3

[lucid creek]

Usopp fr a goat

[analog cobalt]

Maybe two years ago

[crimson geyser]

nah i still think those are luffy's top 3

[marsh patio]

This might be random, but I think a lot of pirates will side with Luffy during the final war against the world government. Luffy doesn’t hold grudges against previous villains. People who have done some heinous shit. Regarding Robin, he even flat up said the past doesn’t matter. If he becomes the undisputed pirate king. It kind of makes sense for the rest of the pirates to fall in line for a cause like the Wild Government doing a cleanse.

[oak mural]

u forgot jinbei

[analog cobalt]

I wonder if more pirates will join the grand fleet

[crimson geyser]

usopp will get stronger

[marsh patio]

World*

[oak mural]

ur joking lol

[coarse hinge]

Most likely. But don't forget BB is still the conteder.

[crimson geyser]

nope

[coarse hinge]

Usopp need boost of observation haki again

[oak mural]

idk how ussop will be stronger than jinbei ,both have different jobs they are good in thier respective jobs

[crimson geyser]

yh i think that might happen but i think something might happen to start the final war

[weary cliff]

Give Usopp conqueror's haki

[oak mural]

[weary cliff]

I'd bet my life on it

[analog cobalt]

Usopp vs Jimbei fight when??!

[crimson geyser]

Usopp dad weapon eat a DF or some thing like that so, usopp's weapon probably will too or big mom will give it a soul

[river plaza]

Oh boy how

[oak mural]

thats just too far fledged theory

[marsh patio]

I also think there will be another Impel Down jailbreak, and Doffy helping Luffy. I can even see one of the Emperors fall in line to assist (Big Mom for the dream of everyone being together or Kaido for that sweet, sweet war).

[crimson geyser]

idk we'll just have to wait and see

[oak mural]

ur thoery has 0 evidence

[coarse hinge]

Yea this is likely happen since Oda's message in last 2020 about Sabo, Vivi, & Hancock aren't alright too.

[weak arrow]

Usopp’s weapon is already alive as a plant.

[crimson geyser]

yh I just looked and his doesnt so ussop probably will just get a upgrade

[marsh patio]

I also feel like Luffy needs to stomp Magellan. Plus, have the stakes raised that much more and have them try to buster call impel down.

[shadow rock]

who do u guys think luffys mom is

[weary cliff]

Usopp is due for a power up next arc. If we do go with exploring fruits, and even meet VP, it's on the table

[crimson geyser]

probably someone with power

[errant oxide]

Please don’t give usopp or anyone else a devil fruit

[shadow rock]

i think its imu sama

[errant oxide]

Oda stated luffys mom is a nobody didn’t he

[strong flame]

Usopp gonna get the most broken range on his Observation haki

[analog cobalt]

Usopp gets the chop chop fruit so he can dodge attacks

[weary cliff]

Just kabuto

[marsh patio]

Usopp will meet his dad and realize he’s a piece of shit, and get some confidence because he’s better than the man he idolized.

[errant oxide]

That would require buggy d clown to die

[analog cobalt]

What

[crimson geyser]

that's why i said i think the next arc might be a training one

[shadow rock]

he stated that she has been shown before

[errant oxide]

Usopps dad is a good person

[analog cobalt]

Are you saying Yasopp isn’t an amazing dude?

[strong flame]

Usopp is gonna meet his dad in elbaf where the red haired pirates are gonna be waiting for Luffy

[analog cobalt]

Shanks is actually a giant 🧠

[shadow rock]

at first i thought elbaf was in the old world

[strong flame]

Probably where the last poneglyph is

[crimson geyser]

haven't seen much of him so idk

[errant oxide]

Shanks is probably the size of Kaidos schlong

[analog cobalt]

What the fuck

[crimson geyser]

lol

[strong flame]

Yassopp is a deadbeat no cap

[shadow rock]

what

[marsh patio]

That is EXACTLY what I’m saying. He left his sick wife and kid to be a pirate. He reminds me of a drunk, absentee father. Most of the positivity from him comes from rose tinted perspectives.

[strong flame]

Let his wife die and his kid had to raise himself

[analog cobalt]

I’m pretty sure he left before his wife got sick

[errant oxide]

I mean, am I wrong?

[coarse hinge]

Buggy's awakening, split the ground & the sea 💀

[strong flame]

Bro buggy’s awakening is the counter to law

[analog cobalt]

Buggy’s awakening, he splits peoples’ bodies in half so they bleed to death

[proud crystal]

what if shes that waitress from luffys home village, makino?

[coarse hinge]

Even without awakening, the current already is

[errant oxide]

Pretty sure Yassop’s wife would rather him go enjoy his life than be sad around her while she dies

[marsh patio]

Sorry I decided to never see you again son. I’m sure you understand. It’s not like you spent your entire childhood pretending I returned every morning. Right lol

[weary cliff]

Makino is a bit young, no?

[analog cobalt]

You are a clown

[shadow rock]

that lady is probably shanks wife and her kid is shanks kid thats y he has red hair

[analog cobalt]

Shanks isn’t married tho?

[shadow rock]

we dont know that tho

[marsh patio]

Maybe, but Oda writes some complex father/child stories.
All I’m saying is I wouldn’t be surprised if part of Usopps story is coming to terms with who his dad actually is opposed to who he wanted his dad to be.

[proud crystal]

i have no idea how old she is, but probably...i figured they looked enough alike its worth bringing up

[crimson geyser]

Some of my theories are the luffy and the SHs will probably have a training arc after this one or they travel back to everywhere they've been before and explore with the new members after wano, or have to go to marineford to do something about sabo

[crude crest]

Does anyone think sanji wearing doflamingo’s outfit in the final battle of wano have any significance or am I reading too much into it?

[analog cobalt]

I don’t think his father is bad at all

[amber oar]

31

[errant oxide]

Sorry but your opinions are dogshit

[weary cliff]

Ah. More than a bit too young

[analog cobalt]

Lmfao

[proud crystal]

ah...yeah too young for that theory

[amber oar]

In regards to Banchina, it's said she pushed Yasopp to sail
I think it's an idea a 23 year old Oda had that wouldn't hold well for 46 year old Oda

[analog cobalt]

Damn Oda has his 50s approaching faster than you can say One Piece

[weary cliff]

That happens with these long running stories

[proud crystal]

especially now that hes a father, isnt he?

[analog cobalt]

Who is?

[marsh patio]

Oda

[weary cliff]

It's wild to realize he actually has a life

[amber oar]

yeah

By the time he turned 30 (around the time he introduced Franky), he had already figured out that sailing and leaving your kid behind isn't cool

[analog cobalt]

Wait Oda is a human and not some robot built to make stories for us??!! Insanity

[errant oxide]

You got three things.

1. A man who has an opportunity of a lifetime to be himself and do what he wants to do. To make the best of his life.
2. A woman who is sick and will die soon. Who wants her husband to live his happiest life rather than stay worried about her and lose many opportunities.
3. A young boy who can either deal with the death of his beloved mom and be stuck with his unhappy dad because he lost everything he had to live for. Or a young boy who can accept and grow from his mother’s death and live to be like his father who is living his fullest life following his dreams.

Pretty simple that what Yasopp did makes sense. End of discussion.

[pure raven]

popular theory that fire fist ace isnt related to luffy

[analog cobalt]

Lmfao ya think?

[coarse hinge]

Wow we are in 2005

[errant oxide]

Keep in mind this is a story where Roger can be both Ace’s father and Luffy’s mom.

[pure raven]

its a joke chill out

[last halo]

He kinda talks about this one that question about Luffy's mom. He says mothers are the opposite of adventures, or something like this

[coarse hinge]

I know

[amber oar]

yeah, it's his way to avoid questions about mothers

I think Oda just doesn't feel the need to show every single character's mom and that's something fans must learn to live with

[marsh patio]

I think you probably hit the nail on the head. I’m also a father, so the leaving the kid think just is going to sit differently with me.
That being said, I think Yassop is going to have some character flaw. Story wise I can’t see Usopps dad being perfect. It may not be about his parenting, it may be just him being a coward too. I just find it hard to believe that Oda isn’t going to use that meeting for something interesting.

[coarse hinge]

Waiting Nami & Zoro.

[amber oar]

Nami's mom is Bellemere. End of story.

Oda has made it clear enough that biological ties aren't always important

[errant oxide]

Nami’s mom was the coolest

[weary cliff]

We got Nami's family. Whoever else is irrelevant

[last halo]

Your wife is sick and your decision is to leave her and your son behind to "be yourself"... You're a clown, unless your a fictional character

[amber oar]

where's stated Banchina was already sick anyway?

[coarse hinge]

But still matters

[pure raven]

popular theory that sabo isnt actually aces and luffys brother

[last halo]

When I see you I don't mean you specifically, btw. I'm not coming for anyone. I just think that logic is terrible

[dense wing]

Stop, this channel is for serious theories only

[crimson geyser]

they did do it by sake

[coarse hinge]

Stale

[amber oar]

he's baiting, let it go

[pure raven]

true true

[errant oxide]

He had two choices. Be with his dying wife for her last few days or take a once in a lifetime opportunity to be who we wants for the rest of his life. It’s clear the wife wanted him to do it too.

[last halo]

And btw, I think it's good we have flawed characters like Yasopp. It makes the story more interesting.

[amber oar]

^?

[pastel summit]

dont believe it was ever stated

[errant oxide]

Or what if they just didn’t like each other anymore? Couples split too

[amber oar]

She didn't sound like this even at her deathbed

[errant oxide]

You can be proud of someone you were with after you break up

[pastel summit]

thats kinda contradictory to what the manga says

[last halo]

Don't need to justify Yasopp being a bad father. He simply is and that's it. That doesn't make him a bad character

[errant oxide]

Then that would also imply Roger is a flawed character, so I don’t know. But you can think however you want. And literally almost every other dad in one piece lol

[last halo]

Yeah

[marsh patio]

…you don’t think he is? I thought that was one of the main points of his flashback. To humanize him.

[last halo]

Although, Roger was dying soon and he specifically left Garp to take care of Ace

[marsh patio]

Rogers flaws was a lot of the drive of Aces resentment for his dad.

[errant oxide]

Every character has flaws. But I don’t think Yasopp made a wrong decision nor does he need to atone for his decision. I wouldn’t say Roger or dragon need to either

Only true father is senior pink

[crimson geyser]

I hope luffy meets someone that knows about the past of Gomu Gomu to help wit it

[amber oar]

if Artur didn't push too much headcanon on his translation, Yasopp may have left even before Usopp was born.

[marsh patio]

I think the difference is Usopp worships his dad. Story wise, it makes sense for Yassop not to live up to that hype.

[amber oar]

Could be. All Usopp knows about Yasopp is what his mom told him, and she was fond of him.

[last halo]

You could argue Dragon is also a bad father

[crimson geyser]

he saved his son

[marsh patio]

Which is what makes it interesting. Luffy doesn’t give two shits about his dad (unlike Usopp). Their eventual interaction is a wild card.

[dense wing]

Luffy will have no enmity with Dragon

[last halo]

But was still a non presence in his life. Luffy didn't even know who he was.

[crimson geyser]

judge is a bad father(sanjis dad)

[last halo]

Of course

[marsh patio]

If anything. I could MAYBE see Dragon trying to leverage his bloodline and Luffy and Luffy making statements about his “real” family. However, I think that’s too much like the Judge Vinsmoke thing.

[crimson geyser]

notice the pattern? no really has parents in one piece even the straw hats

[dense wing]

Plenty of characters have parents who are around

Vivi, Shirahoshi

[last halo]

The only noticeable good father was probably Kyros

[dense wing]

Kyros yeah is best biological dad

Best father figure Corazon, personally

[marsh patio]

If you count adopted family. Nami had Bellamere. Franky had Tom.

[dense wing]

Luffy had Dadan in that case

[marsh patio]

Vivi had Cobra

[dense wing]

Sanji had Zeff

[last halo]

Zeff

[dense wing]

Chopper had Hiriluk and Kureha

[analog cobalt]

I mean Whitebeard was a good father figure to Ace and Dragon was somewhat good to Sabo

[marsh patio]

Dandan I honestly think will be the only mother we get for Luffy

[dense wing]

Robin had no one

Tbh

[amber oar]

Neptune is a good biological dad

[analog cobalt]

She had the one giant

[dense wing]

Brook had a fine childhood I guess, we haven’t seen it

Saul was there for like

[strange musk]

ace had akainu

[dense wing]

How long of her life?

[dense wing]

Serious discussion only

[amber oar]

Saul was her friend, but they met for like a few weeks/months, not really a father figure

[last halo]

A couple days at most

[strange musk]

oh ok

[marsh patio]

I think Rogers absenteeism was used to emphasize the role and character of Whitebeard to Ace.

[amber oar]

Oden was a good dad, aside from that year he stayed away because basically his wife forced him to

[cedar sinew]

Roger basically shapes ace's entire character

[strange musk]

Which fruit might ryokugyu have?

[dense wing]

Ace’s daddy issues defined him yeah

[dense wing]

We theorize a zoan, maybe a plant based one somehow

I’ve seen theories about him being a Bullfrog

[cedar sinew]

bullfrogs need to eat though

[dusty lotus]

Are there akumas no mi of the marine animal zoan type

[strange musk]

yeah that is a gr8 possibility cuz then the three admirals will have the logia, paramaceia and zoan so yea

[marsh patio]

I think the difference between Oden and Yassop strengthens the argument against Yassop being parent od the year 😂

[crimson geyser]

is vivi still a member of the SHs?

[cedar sinew]

no

she was never a sh

[crimson geyser]

the wiki page says she is

[outer locust]

She will always be

[cedar sinew]

wiki says she was a "former strawhat"

it just means she travelled with them during the alabasta saga

[compact glade]

She was a former dead weight straw hat

[analog cobalt]

Her ducks did more like smh

[outer locust]

Dead weight

[compact glade]

Ill consider her useful if we get spoilers right this second

No? Okay

[outer locust]

[weak arrow]

Vivre cards support me in saying that Vivi, Going Merry, and Thousand Sunny are strawhats

[analog cobalt]

Vivi isn’t a Strawhat

At least not a permanent one

[outer locust]

[quasi badger]

The one piece is an eyepatch

If anyone has a better guess I’d love to hear it

[clever pebble]

how can Brook cry ?

[clever pebble]

Vivi would be the diplomatic but prob the weakest one among them

[restive kestrel]

I need them spoilers already, cant take all the gomu gomu no theories anymore

They get more ridiculous by the minute. Oda better not leave us hanging

[analog cobalt]

Jimbei kills the dude, we never learn the importance

That’d be hilarious

[amber oar]

before people get hyped up: 11 and 12 are indeed the Merry and the Sunny

[analog cobalt]

Oh my goodness!

[stuck shell]

What theories?

Guys is their any theories about gomu gomu no mi going on?

[analog cobalt]

Gomu gomu no mi is the One Piece!!

[teal nymph]

so luffy had one piece all along 0-0

[restive kestrel]

Gomu gomu being the counter against whitebward theorie, gomu gomu chaning the red line with awakening theorie, gomu gomu being an immortality fruit theorie. They all suck

[hazy ferry]

what if uranus was the moon itself and its some advanced technology so like poseidon would eb the past(sea kings whove been in existence since the start of time probably), pluton is the present(basically a bunch of guns), and uranus is something so highly advanced its something that technically doesnt exist yet

[alpine moth]

I have random theory, why there is a freezer in the Im sama vault? It does not make sense to make freezer for something like straw hat and other things like this. I think Joy Boy's body stored there, and Im is previous neptune and trying to gather all of things related to Joy Boy to ressurect him or something, so it is love story after all.

[analog cobalt]

Im?

[alpine moth]

Yeah, i mean IM

Or not even love story, she trying to fulfill prophesy, so she will be neptune and there will be joy boy

[analog cobalt]

What

[harsh niche]

akainu is joyboy

[analog cobalt]

Sengoku is Garp’s brother

[dusky acorn]

Can we cut the random shitposts? you especially shadow. there's 3 perfectly fine theories to discuss right above us, no need for this at all

[dusky acorn]

I've seen this idea thrown around a lot lately, is there any confirmation on this being able to counter the quake fruit though?

If it can, it'd make the future Blackbeard fight interesting I suppose

He'd have one fruit that can entirely counter him, and the other not really effective. We'll see, I don't think that's the reason the WG wanted it though

Quake fruit is a power that can destroy the world. 1 person having the ability to counter it still isn't going to save the world from being destroyed

[odd lichen]

marco 2b++++++++++++

[alpine moth]

So how did you explain that there is explicitly shown that vault is a freezer? For what purpose?

[light pond]

Marco only has 1.374B

[dusky acorn]

I mean, it's possible he has Joyboy's body if he already has the hat that's speculated to be his. I agree he may be trying to gather all Joyboy related things for whatever purpose, could tie into the gomu gomu revelation we're getting right now.
I don't see Imu being a previous iteration of Neptune though, I believe it's been stated they may only be pure hearted mermaid princesses or something along those lines

[alpine moth]

Yeah, make sense. I wonder if anyone can be evil with pure heart, like you don't even have any good thoughts. But i agree, my im sama theory is kinda stretch, but Joy Boys body could be there, and i wonder if she trying to ressurect Joy Boy with Gomu Gomu, if he is previous user.

[fringe axle]

So here it is

ACT4 will be in alabasta

Blacakbeard vs Navy vs Beast-Big Mom vs StrawHat

SH pirate will regroup after ACT3

Wano citizens will be dead

that's the tragedy of ACT3

one piece 1018-1020 Sanji vs Queen and King vs Zoro ,King and Queen will show their true strength and defeat Sanji,Zoro

[tidal scarab]

Some say zoro is the weakest strawhat o.o

[acoustic helm]

Those ppl also say luffy ain't a strawhat 😂

[odd lichen]

fake nws

[light pond]

No it is not fake news it is real

[restive kestrel]

So this might be something stated as obvious already maybe. But i was wondering about the giant strawhat and I cant shake the feeling of the giant skull and katana of onigashima. They seem the right size to fit. Also kaido mentioning joy boy and his reason of being at onigashima. Somehow it feels like that giant might be joy boy hence why sengoku also talked about the strong pirates/persons always end up in wano

Oars and the strawhat made by ace also somehow feels like foreshadowing

[glad rain]

if Oars was called continent puller this guy must have pulled planets or smt.

[ancient vault]

that strawhat is nowhere near as big as the onigashima skull

[restive kestrel]

Dont forget the skull has 2 horns

Meaning a hat should fit inbetween the horns

And what about the frozen strawhats in imus safe, it was huge af conparrd to imu

[ancient vault]

im is just small

[ancient vault]

youre still underestimating how big onigashima is.
Although the skull is probably not even real anyways

[vocal summit]

What are people's thoughts that small theory one of the 3 CP0 members currently on Wano could be Vegapunk? I kind of like it. I feel like Vegapunk could be the one that orochi shot in the face

[agile tangle]

What chapter was this?

[uncut sigil]

906 last page

[alpine moth]

906

[split hornet]

Probably why doflamingo talked about laws power

[agile tangle]

Thanks

[rugged harbor]

i like this ngl xD

i already expressed that i think vegapunk will show up at the end of wano , wouldnt mind if he was already there lmao + oda does like hiding stuff in plain sight

[split hornet]

Doflamingo said he would have used laws devil fruit power that day, to use the national treasure of mariejois to control the world

[restive kestrel]

It would be strange for the skull not to be real as theres a huge katana next to it. It all screams as if there was actually a being this big, just like at little giant island with dory and brogy and the 2 dinosaurs they beat.

[split hornet]

Chapter 761

[echo sage]

Vivre Card 14 Character Bounties Revealed:

Marco: 1,374,000,000 Berry
Izo: 510,000,000 Berry
Belo Betty: 457,000,000 Berry
Karasu: 400,000,000 Berry
Lindbergh: 316,000,000 Berry
Morley: 293,000,000 Berry

[icy sapphire]

thought marco would be higher

[teal nymph]

ngl kinda surprised that belo betty has the highest bounty among the Revolutionary Army executive's i thaught Karasu might have the highest

[worldly anvil]

think it depends on how much "crimes you committed and is known about"

so Belo bounty is higher cus the marines know a lots of her "crimes" whereas the others could be worse but the marines don't know about it

[rugged harbor]

its how much u represent a threat to the WG wether its power or knowledge , not specifically crimes
so depending on what belo knows that the WG doesnt know she knows it can be/get higher

u can do as many crimes as u want and ur bounty wont be that much compared to others if the WG doesnt consider u a threat

[rustic lance]

I am really surprised at how low the Revolutionaries are in regards to bounty though

[dark palm]

they're pretty on the DL

[rustic lance]

true, but I would have then expected the WG to want to make them infamous to route them out of hiding

[dark palm]

might legitimise them too much

bounties like these seem right around the "insurgent" level

[rugged harbor]

cause most of the bounty budget gets added to dragon's to maintain his most wanted man alive title

[rustic lance]

that's true

[stuck wyvern]

Hmm. And Sabo is only 600 right? Weird that the revolutionaries have such low bounties

Well "low" relatively speaking

I'd honestly expect Morley to be much higher considering he escaped from Impel Down

[fresh galleon]

bb can have 2 df because he has 2 souls

[pure raven]

My opinion is that the WG doesn't know much about who is involved in the revolutions, so they just add numbers to the supreme commander every time they can't catch someone

[fathom matrix]

It could be that the gum gum fruit was perhaps the FIRST devil fruit, and maybe Joyboy was the user of it. So, the higher ups and Gorosei wanted it, because of how special, old and connected it was to the void century and joyboy, that maybe it hasn't got any special powers or unique aspects, that could work, but it's BECAUSE of it's history, that they're scared of someone finding out stuff.

You may not be able to, but the WG doesn't want ANYONE finding out ANYTHING, and wants all leads cut off.

[craggy pumice]

I dont think the WG knows Morley escaped from Impel Down

[pure raven]

also, considering the commanders are from the blues and Sabo is so young, I think their bounties are around where I like them

[molten juniper]

How did nobody yet see that there's a CP dude on ohara who looks exactly the same as Who's who?

[acoustic helm]

he was in background with no significant role

[sour summit]

https://i.4cdn.org/a/1624964764478.jpg

this guy

[molten juniper]

Ah nothing new

[pastel summit]

who's who would've been 16 at the time, so pretty unlikely they are the same person

[fathom matrix]

yeah, but some one piece characters look very different to their ages. I mean, Doc Q and Wopple are in their 20s, but they look 40

i wouldn't doubt this guy being 16, and rob lucci was sent to a kingdom and assassinated 500 hostages and/or pirates, at the age of 13

so minors are still hired and made to be government agents

[pastel summit]

yeah im not saying its impossible to be 16 and part of cp9. he just doesnt look 16, and not that similar to WW

[fathom matrix]

True but again, character designs in OP don't seem to always line up with their ages, and their designs can very much differ.

Plus, with that much government training, wouldn't surprise me if that made him shoot up and be so tall and look older.

[pure raven]

a dumb theory from me, maybe shanks wanted to eat the gomu gomu no mi, or sell it

[fathom matrix]

Probably, but I was gonna assume he was keeping it safe....also I don't think Shanks is a D clan member, I honestly hope he's not a secret D clan member

[pure raven]

lol

[teal nymph]

i don't think shanks wanted to eat it coz he could have done so even before luffy found it

[pure raven]

i remember seeing a theory on reddit of something about Rocks D. Shanks 2 months ago, dude had no proof except that God Valley incident happened when shanks was born

[pure raven]

He was looking to sell it ig

[pure raven]

We can't support any claim that he is Rock's Son,but I'm pretty sure that he's a D

[pure raven]

gomu gomu no mi would sell for alot maybe, 500m-1b berries since it was protected by the WG

Like why else would Roger give him the Strawhat?

[pure raven]

maybe because he saw shanks' conqueror's haki or something

[pure raven]

huh? Well that's kinda lame if he gave it just because he had CoC

[pure raven]

but it is reasonable

[soft vale]

shanks is the world governments dog

[amber oar]

People keep bringing that idea and the Five Elders very explicitly said Shanks has no business intervening there.

[harsh niche]

gatekeeping is cringe

[covert hazel]

Serious channel for serious discussion, shitpost all you want elsewhere

[weary cliff]

Imagine accusing a mod of gatekeeping for enforcing the rules

[harsh niche]

who was shitposting. A theory isnt shitposting because you dont like it

[whole jewel]

Tbh I definitely see the WG wanted gomu to deal with white beard. Imagine if someone like garp ate it and it would become a haki match

[harsh niche]

im not gonna argue this here since its the wrong channel

[whole jewel]

But in all honesty I think the gomu gomu no mi has a bit more to it

I think the idea that the awakening of gomu is something like g4, a guardian diety type deal

In my previous theory I believe g4 to be a forced awakening and not a complete form

[weary cliff]

Something I've been playing around with is the idea that Luffy always copies something with his new powers. Gomu gomu pistol, red hawk, the gears, even conquerors emission. It's always been "monkey see monkey do". So maybe the payoff for the WG wanting the fruit is that they know the awakening can do something crazy from a past user. And once Luffy figures out an idea of that, he can start to make his own version. And Shanks will play a part in that because he probably knew about it too. Tbh this feels a little on the nose for my taste, but i think someone along these lines is how it will play out

[whole jewel]

Yeah I understand what you mean but that’s a trait of the user not the fruit imo

[weary cliff]

The awakening is the trait of the fruit. Why it was important to the WG is to build hype for Shanks and the power, as well as performing the function of giving Luffy a framework to develop it. That's what I mean

[whole jewel]

That’s fine I’m just tryna figure out what that power is gonna be

Based on the evidence given I’m inclined to believe it’s just a powered up version that uses his haki and not at the expense of his life. A combination of the gears in essence but it’s just base form luffy like no inflation and what not.

Or we might see something like the vulcanization but that’s too much for luffy’s brain imo

[patent summit]

Is it weird to think that who's who May be blackbeards 10th commander?

[whole jewel]

Not really

[weary cliff]

I think it is very unlikely yeah

[patent summit]

If u think about it

[whole jewel]

We do know that his loyalty has gone here and there, so there may be possible ties like or with aokiji

Also he probs knows the other lvl 6 members

[patent summit]

Didnt blackbeard say to the level 6 prisoners like fight and the last 10 People Alive join my crew?

[whole jewel]

Yeah

But I’m p sure it’s implied that Who’s Who just said peace I’m out

[patent summit]

Who's who can be one of the last 10 Alive

And why do u guys think the government want the gomu gomu fruit so bad?

I think they wanted the marines to have an counter to the gura gura no mi. By having someone within the marines awaken the gomu gomu no mi

[weary cliff]

The titanic captians are all notorious figures. Pretty hard to keep your cover as one yonko exec when you're publicly know as the captian for another one.

Also the convo between WW and Jinbei was about the fact that while Jinbei was still a warlord, he heard rumors about WW having been locked up and escaped already. That means he wasn't even in Impel Down. So it's just another bad Tiktok theory

[patent summit]

Oh rumors about ww already escaping?

Got to check that out

[weary cliff]

Yeah. If WW was a ID escapee prior to MF, it would have had to have been covered up since Shiki was the only one known to do so. But since Jinbei had heard of it, we knew it was at least knowledge that got around the marines. So he's not an ID prisoner. In any case, he definitely wasn't around when BB went to level 6

[weary arch]

who is WW?

[weary cliff]

Who is Who's Who indeed

[soft vale]

they said “you should have nothing to do with politics” almost sounds like they were suggesting he stayed out of it to keep his ties to the wg unknown

[weary cliff]

The simplest solution is that he's a pirate and that makes it none of his business

[soft vale]

he had a picture of the gum gum fruit

my theory is the wg sent him to retrieve it after cp lost it

[amber oar]

What SpaceCadet said. This is a very stretched conclusion

[amber oar]

there's an encyclopedia, Teach and Sanji had access to it

[weary cliff]

Oda already said they knew what it was and what it looked like from the encyclopedia

[soft vale]

why would he target that fruit? and why would the wg make time especially for shanks

[weary cliff]

The same reason the WG wanted it

[soft vale]

to eat?

[weary cliff]

Because it is powerful, and potentially important to history

[amber oar]

We don't even know if Shanks was specifically targetting it, there's a very good chance they just crossed paths with a Navy ship and pillaged it

[soft vale]

that hasn’t been proven yet

[soft vale]

well he had a drawn picture of it

[weary cliff]

I think it does more for the story if he was going after it. But as devils advocate, if you have a book of fruits, you have a picture of pretty much all of them

[soft vale]

it was a single page tho, not an entire notebook filled with other fruits

[weary cliff]

I really dont see what it matters lol every justification for Shanks being tied to the WG is either reaching or flat out ignoring parts of the story. Like if Shanks was supposed to retrieve it, why didn't he take Luffy to the WG. Instead he risked everything to protect the kid

[amber oar]

it's a literal notebook and perfectly could be filled with fruit drawings

[weary cliff]

Lol perfect. Although in my headcanon Lucky Roux is a speed drawer and made that in the time after it was missing and then

[amber oar]

that's more viable than Shanks being a WG agent lol

[dense wing]

Lucky Roux being an artist on the side would be dope

And he drew the Gomu in his spare time

More viable than that being the DF book

[amber oar]

I have the feeling that people who believe Shanks could be a WG agent just look at the pictures and completely ignore all the text

WW was jailed for losing the DF, you'd expect Shanks to follow the same fate. He wasn't an Emperor yet back then
Either that, or, Shanks would have brought Luffy to the WG with him. The highest WG agents are ruthless

[weary cliff]

Right. And there is his sacrifice on top of that. Losing his arm to protect a valuable asset? Maybe. But to then leave Luffy to do whatever for 12 years clearly shows a different intention

[amber oar]

The way Shanks talked both to Luffy, and about Luffy to the people he met later, basically confirms he was saving Luffy for being him and not for being "a valuable asset"

[weary cliff]

The interaction with Ace was so wholesome

[queen arrow]

relevant

[pure raven]

So the Yami Yami no Mi and Gomu Gomu no Mi both had their pictures in this book... fascinating

[marble skiff]

it seems not many fruits have chances to have actual pictures

do you think moria is dead

[pure raven]

I just realized

the reason why Jinbei makes a lot of more sense powerwise to join Luffy's crew is because his fishman karate legit counteracts moria's fruit that BB is aiming for. Oda you smart bastard

[teal nymph]

how ?

[pure raven]

at marineford Moria made an army of zombie soldiers to take on the White beard pirates and Luffy and we see Jinbei's use of fishman karate and ocean water basically make the zombies useless

[sacred hawk]

I just realized that Who's Who actually might have directly met Jinbe

[pure raven]

No ocean water on land if if they fight there

[sacred hawk]

Because Jinbe went to Impel Down to retrieve Arlong after becoming a warlord. And if that happened around 12 years ago, then that would have been when Who's Who was sent to impel down. Meaning that Who's Who probably caught a glimpse on Jinbe as he was talking to arlong

[pure raven]

Could who who’s have escaped when luffy and Bb attacked impel down? A whole bunch of level sixers escaped not just the ones luffy and bb took?

[light steeple]

no reason he couldn't have. I mean Drake got into the Tobiroppo after the time skip, so I don't see why Who's Who couldn't have done the same

especially since he had the clout of being an ex CP-9 member

[weary cliff]

The convo between WW and Jinbei was about the fact that while Jinbei was still a warlord, he heard rumors about WW having been locked up and escaped already. That means he was never in Impel Down because he would have escaped before Luffy/BB did their thing. And Shiki was the only known escapee prior to that

[queen arrow]

Jinbe didn't even get inside Impel Down there so that can't be it

[summer seal]

What if Green Bull was a cowboy.
Since Purple Tiger is a samurai.

Both are exaggerated heroes sorta tropes. Samurai for Japan and Cowboy for Western.

Plus a Cowboy being named Green Bull would be ironically funny

[tired osprey]

would love it cowboy

the whole world of one piece feels very western, samurai, yakuza/gang like

[summer seal]

We haven't seen a cowboy character since... daddy the father right?

[waxen dust]

So I found this online....And we see a similar statue to the one on the far right in Skypiea. So maybe the Oars clan were a group of Rubber People or something to that extent?

Olmecs were one of the first major groups within Mesoamerica, so MAYBE the Anicent Kingdom has some similar influences to this historical region??

[summer seal]

So it's really been unexplored territory. So if stuff like desert kingdom and Japan style places can exist a wild west island?

That's interesting looking

Just this afternoon, manga chat was speculating on this as well.

I would not doubt if the statue is important.

It's so out of place for Oda to write it and show it... Yet skypeia can connected a TON of stuff

[waxen dust]

The statue looks exactly like Oars...And looking back to Thriller Bark, we have Oars use the Gum Gum techniques. So if the Oars people were based on the Olmecs then it’s kind of a foreshadowing from Oda that these guys had those rubber capabilities back in the Anicent Kingdom. This also explains why there’s a Giant Strawhat on Mariejoas.

[summer seal]

How does it explain the straw hat stuff again.

I see the foreshadowing of oars using gomu techniques... But I don't see how the straw hat relates to these stuff

[tired osprey]

and we didnt even get to see him, but the whole world oozes in cowboyness so its fine, seems to be one of the inspirations for one piece's pirates

[tired osprey]

oars looks like a barbapapa?

[summer seal]

Yeah so a samurai and a cowboy... Could really make admirals like pop out from each other

And whatever Kizaru is

[tired osprey]

all the three og admirals are kind of like yakuza/mafia

zatoichi was yakuza too tho, so maybe greenbull will too

[summer seal]

Let's find a mafia cowboy actor for greenbull

Harder than I thought

[tired osprey]

I think Oda will stick to japanese actors though

the silhouette looks like one famous role from an old japanese movie, forgot the actors name

[summer seal]

Yeah that's my point. Hard to find old Japanese films and actors

I can see it happening though with his silhouette. Long haired

[sacred hawk]

What I mean is that Who's Who was sent to prison around that time. So he might have caught a glimpse of Jinbe as he was being escorted inside

[split hornet]

Didn't who's who's say he knew jimbei and not the other way around, or is that translation issue

[split hornet]

I remember slightly that also other big names escaped but not sure

[weary cliff]

The issue is it doesn't fit for WW to have been at Impel Down at all

[queen arrow]

Jinbe didn't go inside Impel Down to get Arlong, Arlong was brought outside by the guards

unless you mean Who's Who was brought inside while Jinbe was outside, which seems like a pretty big coincidence that Jinbe would've noticed

but it doesn't fit that Who's Who was in Impel Down anyway since Jinbe heard about him escaping and his escape was "an old story"

[willow plover]

Can anyone tell me if we know how did lucci redeem himself to the WG before joining CP0? Is it cited in a cover or in the manga?

[light steeple]

no, he was just in CP0 after the timeskip

all we see in cover stories is him and CP9 running from the government and telling Spandam that they'll get their revenge one day

after that, the next time we saw them was post timeskip when they were revealed to be in CP0

[willow plover]

That's what I remember too. I thought I missed something. Thanks

[sturdy hawk]

Lucci turns back with spandam and kaku

[pure raven]

Tiktok moment

[tame pilot]

I mean who else can capture kaido? Lmao

[quaint relic]

Guys I just saw a crazy theory that might be actually true

The strawhat represents the sun rising. The red line represents the oroborus while the the straw at the top represents the sun.

Joy boy might have been the original bearer of the strawhat and we call him Joyboy because he brought "dawn" to the world

D stands for Dawn

Luffy will bring dawn

[queen arrow]

that's literally a Fanon wiki character

[queen arrow]

https://onepiecefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Donk_E._Kong

it's a fan made character

[amber oar]

Tiktokers are wrong unt... nvm, tiktokers are wrong full stop

[lean wolf]

yo, is anyone from Gol's crew a confirmed DF user besides Buggy?

[grizzled fog]

Nope

[lean wolf]

huh

And did Buggy have this DF by the time they went to Raftel? cause if so then it's weird that he got ill

[chrome topaz]

luffy dies

[lean wolf]

maybe there's something about the place that affects DF users

[waxen dust]

You mean like gatekeeping DF users from entering the island?

[lean wolf]

mhmm, i understand why Buggy and Shanks can't go into Raftel meta-textually (they are introduced as not knowing about the revelation there, so the flashback has to add up) but in-universe it's weird that Buggy just got skin while going there out of the blue, so maybe there's some other explanation.

or maybe not

[waxen dust]

That’s actually a plausible theory, but the flaw is that Luffy nor BB wouldn’t be able to enter Laugh Tale

[amber oar]

Barring specific powers like Marco, there's nothing that prevents a DF user from getting ill

Anyway, the anime showed Buggy already with powers, but not the manga.

This is the one panel I found from Buggy with df, but that's post Laugh Tale

[waxen dust]

Buggy gets the DF right around the time they leave Water 7

It’s like a bit after Shanks & Buggy fight about the North Pole & South Pole

[lean wolf]

maybe it's not something as strongly enforced as not being able to swim, but maybe something like a strong CoC.

[waxen dust]

No, that doesn’t make sense. CoC doesn’t make a person sick, it would make sense if the island was covered in Sea Stone that would be the most plausible explanation if DF users were to get ill when trying to enter Laugh Tale

But Buggy likely getting sick was meant to be a reference for one of Usopp’s lies about having a “I’ll Die If I Enter The Island” disease

[amber oar]

no, Buggy got sick for real

It was just an unlucky event, there's nothing deeper on that. A plot device so Oda doesn't have to explain how Buggy and Shanks always knew what's the One Piece all along

[weary cliff]

This is the best Usopp lie to come true yet. It caught me so off guard when I realized

[lean wolf]

i have a feeling that the plotpoint of having DF users being hated by the sea (and the personhood of the sea that implies) hasn't been explored as much as it should -- either DF personifications of natural phenomena exist or there's something about DF users that makes them weak when interacting with sea water -- at any rate, either of which sets a precedent for DF users being susceptible to the environment in ways that non DF users aren't

[lean wolf]

and that's fine, i am ok with that

[waxen dust]

I don’t know if this comment is referenced to me or Octo, but Yea the disease is actually real and showcased another truth to Usopp’s lies

[waxen dust]

Broo, When I read this chapter I marked out as soon as Crocus made the diagnosis. That was a smart move on Oda’s part to add that gag into a relevant plot device

[amber oar]

but Buggy didn't get an "Usopp disease", he just got a fever
Toki got one earlier
The conection with Usopp lies came from a bad translation

[waxen dust]

Is it? Let me check
I remember Toki getting sick, but Crocus never made a diagnosis for her. Just that she needed to stay on Wano.

[lean wolf]

the other DF user huh

[waxen dust]

Yeah both the manga and anime don’t state the diagnosis

[weary cliff]

It's not literally "I'll die if I got the the island" like Usopp said, but both Toki and Buggy had to stay back for pure plot convenience. It's as closest thing for the lie coming true

[amber oar]

yeah Toki wasn't diagnosed, my mistake

point is, Buggy's fever has nothing to do with Usopp

[waxen dust]

Ok so then that actually could mean that @lean wolf your theory may have some actual weight since Toki & Buggy were the only ones sick and they are the only two on the ship with DFs

So it is possible that there’s something going on restricting DF users at a certain point along the journey.

[amber oar]

but Toki got sick much earlier

[lean wolf]

it doesn't have to be a deep meaningful thing either, just a way to tie-in the plot conveniences into in-universe world building

and yeah i said

the other DF user huh
as a joke, i don't think toki's illness really counts

[waxen dust]

Right, that’s the complicated part, but it’s odd how she was the only to sick yet not the kids. So it can be possible of Oda setting up something with DF users suddenly getting ill.

[amber oar]

nah, as octopus said, plot conveniences

[lean wolf]

my biggest interest is that it would be cool to see DF users being cursed beyond their "not swimming" thing

[royal spruce]

Well that will be a rough hurdle, id feel like theyd need the whole crew especially robin and luffy on that island

[waxen dust]

Yeah I agree with that the most as of now, but I’ll actually keep Octo’s theory in the back of mind if any relevant info turns up later. Maybe it’s got something to do with the egg on the ship too.

Just food for thought as for now

[royal spruce]

Mmmm foood~

[lean wolf]

MF Doom <3

[real marten]

Wait he has CH as well?

[amber oar]

CH = Conqueror's haki?

Yeah Kaido said it after knocking Luffy the first time

[real marten]

Yeah CH is conquers

[real marten]

Talking about Kid does he really have CH?

[amber oar]

yeah... are you up to date with the manga?

[rancid latch]

No

[real marten]

Yes

[amber oar]

Or at least the anime, that is well past that point too

when Kaido knocked Luffy and then Luffy used CoC while unconscious, Kaido commented that Kid had CoC as well and said "We don't need so many conquerors around"

[real marten]

Ah

Guess I just missed that

[waxen dust]

#catching-up

[digital epoch]

You guys ever think about how one of Kizaru's attacks is names "Yata No Kagami", which is a reference to a mythical real world artifact, and how that implies that exists or is known of in the one piece universe

Now, where would an ancient Japanese-style mirror of polished special metal be in this universe? My bet is on or near wano, and it might possibly even be made of seastone

[weary cliff]

It's on the same level of the buddha hito hito, seiryu, Kuma's bible etc

[digital epoch]

I just thought that could be an interesting thing that might be in the series going forward. Come to think of it, a seastone mirror would be a very useful thing to have, you could straight no-sell DF beam attacks like noro-noro, mero-mero, pika-pika, and the like

[analog cobalt]

Why did Roger give Shanks his hat?

[waxen dust]

Because Roger got a superior hat

[analog cobalt]

Isn't really a reason to give a random deckhand his hat?

[weary cliff]

I'm not trying to be a downer about it. It would be neat if any of the mythological references had any bearing in the actual world of one piece. I just wouldn't expect much, because Oda injects real-world culture a lot with no real significance

[digital epoch]

my bet is the same reason Shanks gave the hat to Luffy- He knew that he was "too early" and that due to his illness he wouldn't ever be able to come back when the time was right, and he wanted Shanks to either become pirate king himself or give it to his son when he grew up

[waxen dust]

no, Shanks already had the hat before Roger knew he was too early

[digital epoch]

In other words, a way to make sure Shanks inherited his will, much in the same way that Luffy inherited Shank's will

[analog cobalt]

Imagine if Ace was the main character 🤔

[weary cliff]

Shanks did have the hat before he knew he was too early

[waxen dust]

The likely reason Roger gave Shanks the hat is because they made some kind of oath or promise regarding something. Whatever the reason Shanks has the hat could likely tie to why he was crying to Roger when returned from Laugh Tale

[weary cliff]

Whatever it is, Shanks flashback will be lit

[analog cobalt]

Maybe Roger told Shanks how he was going to turn himself in, and wanted him to continue his legacy or grow as strong as him

[waxen dust]

no, that decision was made WAY after

[analog cobalt]

My bad, not sure then

[weary cliff]

It could be the right line of thinking, because Roger knew he was terminal before starting the last voyage

[waxen dust]

it's likely something to do with Shanks' origin or a common goal both Roger and Shanks share, but cannot achieve themselves

This would likely tie Luffy into all of it, since Shanks is betting on him

[analog cobalt]

What if Roger reincarnated into Luffy 😲

[waxen dust]

ok stop, stop just shouting random ideas

If you're gonna theorize at least have some sort of tangible evidence to support it

[analog cobalt]

Who is Shanks betting with, and why?

[weary cliff]

Against the current paradigm, basically

[waxen dust]

Shanks is betting on Luffy to take the reigns of the pirate era. As to why...thats the million dollar question

[analog cobalt]

It might be because Shanks knows Luffy is kind-hearted

And Luffy has the same spirit as Roger

[weary cliff]

Luffy probably displayed Roger's dream to Shanks. The one that got hinted in the Yamato/Ace flashback

[waxen dust]

possibly something along those lines, he probably has some background knowledge we haven't learned yet

[analog cobalt]

I am going to switch to mobile brb

[waxen dust]

But there's something more to Shanks as well, dude has his own hidden agenda and it doesnt align with either pirates or WG

[weary cliff]

I think he played the role of keeping things together in the interim. He's in on the fact that Roger was waiting for someone to inherit the One Piece and it's his place to keep the fake ones like BB out

That's why he is laser focused on BB, as he is the most dangerous contender for PK

[waxen dust]

Shanks will likely die, he's the biggest plot device in the series. He'll fill his role and then pass the torch to Luffy.

[weary cliff]

word

[waxen dust]

I have no doubt with Shanks out of the picture that's when shit hits the fan with keeping the WG in check. By that time Luffy will be the only one left to stand up against them. Shanks' death is relevant to progress the plot to the final war

[weary cliff]

Oh for sure. That writing is on the wall in big bloody letters. BB even called it at the end of MF. "Not time to fight you yet"

[analog cobalt]

Shanks will weaken Blackbeard and then Luffy will finish him is my prediction

[waxen dust]

I think Shanks dies saving Luffy again like in Chapter 1

[analog cobalt]

Maybe

[waxen dust]

Same pose and everything

That would be a KICK in the feels

[lapis prairie]

Hate this so much

Luffy is Luffy. Roger is Roger. If Luffy's awesomeness came from some external source, that takes away from how awesome luffy is

[little kelp]

[amber oar]

how to say you came along from Naruto's fandom without saying you watched Naruto

[analog cobalt]

I don’t like Naruto

I’m more of a Parasyte and Dr. Stone kind of guy

[tough ibex]

Lmaoo

[twilit talon]

I don’t read manga but can i post a theory here

[tough ibex]

no one's stopping u lol

[twilit talon]

I was watching ep 168 and saw Roger and oden see the one piece and named it laugh tale

I mean 968

It made me think what if the one piece is something so simple that it made them laugh

Like idk a congrats for having their adventure or something

[tough ibex]

It wasn't just something simple tho... like it was something that told Roger that he came at the wrong time

[amber oar]

Oda said there's a real reward
Roger straight up said Joyboy left "a tale full of laughs". I don't think it's just that though

[twilit talon]

Really

Oh wow that makes me more excited

[twilit talon]

Yeah i know makes me wonder what he did when he got there

[summer seal]

thoughts on Green Bull being based off a cowboy in contrast to Issho being a samurai?

One's western, one's Japanese... and the irony of a cowboy being called Green Bull

[amber oar]

Ricardo tho

it's the only piece of arturpiece I'm willing to embrace

[weary cliff]

I like the idea of it. The one silhouetted panel we got didnt feel very much like a cowboy but its vague enough that you cant really say. I will be pleased if this is.the route things take

[summer seal]

thank you haha. I really just hope hes not just green suited man when issho is such a cool samurai.

[weary cliff]

It would make for a fitting pair. Spaghetti westerns were just the samurai drama adapted for a western audience. Hell, that one Clint Eastwood movie is almost exactly Yojimbo but worse

[summer seal]

and maybe hes perverted like Sanji.

[analog cobalt]

Brooke is more perverted than Sanji

[summer seal]

ye but Brook aint gonna be fighting him is he

[analog cobalt]

Not sure

[digital lodge]

Luffy is leader of Straw Hats confirmed!!

[real marten]

I want Brooke's haki to awaken

[real marten]

[raven creek]

[trim flicker]

Unrelated but my buddy told me to watch HS DxD and my lord is this show dirty

[errant nova]

Nuts

[pure raven]

my theory is gomu gomu nu is something special that world government and CPO protect it amd shanks would clash with them

[unkempt talon]

@pure raven it's joyboys devil fruit

[fringe plume]

I mean, it's an ecchi anime.

[trim flicker]

What does that mean? Ive only watched/ read one piece and naruto up until now

[craggy pumice]

Anime with sexy gurls

[silent sage]

Kaido will be kiddo after Luffy gets buff

[trim flicker]

Is one piece an ecchi

[craggy pumice]

Fuck

[trim flicker]

Robin and nami are pretty uh, liberal in clothing choice

[rugged harbor]

thats just fan service

[trim flicker]

Like naruto didnt have anywhere near the tit stuff. That OP movie was fan service as hell with nami swimmin up close and shit

[rugged harbor]

oda knows thats what the fans wanna see

dont talk ab other anime here tho , #other-series

[trim flicker]

Ecchi-ro oda

[fringe plume]

Nah, Ecchi anime is anime that focused on woman boobs and panties.

The hardcore one even has sex scene in it

[trim flicker]

Brook and sanji moment

Sounds like ecchi is just what sanji pictures in his head when they talk about the reverie meet up

[amber oar]

ecchi is highly erotic series without reaching an explicit point

[fathom matrix]

It could be, that Shanks was gonna eat the fruit

But he was waiting for the right time, or wanted to see who else wanted to. And he was going to have a discussion like "This is a very important fruit, we can't let the GW take it back, who wants it?" but I can imagine a lot of the Red hairs were like "nah, I want to swim, what are you, crazy?" and even Shanks felt like that

[queen wind]

Or shanks deliberately brought it to luffy so that he would eat it and his plan was to use luffy to topple the world government and defeat the 4 emperors and then backstab him and become the pirate king because he couldn't do all those by himself 🧠

[amber oar]

contrary to popular belief, big brain intrincate conspirations aren't good writing

[ancient vault]

most of the time at least

[amber oar]

it works when you can credibly piece things, but the more intrincate, the harder to tie in

And any Conspirative Mastermind Shanks ™️ plot would need too many writing gymnastics to tie all the loose ends, to the point it would stop being credible

[ancient vault]

Thats why we believe in the Mastermind Kaido theory

[full trout]

is it weird that I feel like luffy's devil fruit might be awakened in this fight or get a new gear

i feel like ryou isnt enough to beat kaido

[fathom matrix]

clearly it was an accident and he didn't intend for luffy to eat it, and Shanks said he made a bet, which is why he let his arm get taken.

I think he wanted Luffy to achieve Roger's dream and become pirate king, but the whole topple the WG stuff, Shanks would be involved in or leave it to the revolutionaries.

I believe he wants Luffy to be that catalyst or a catalyst, but not directly the one insuing it all

Like, he's not using him as a tool, and he wants him to achieve that dream, because Shanks does care about and believes in Luffy, but helping to insue the fall of the C.Ds to him, would just be a nice bonus

[pure raven]

My second thery about whos who

1 he has still have contact with cp9 and wants to join them again
2 he is the same power lenght like Rob lucci
3 he want a revenge thats why he join beast pirate pirates

sorry bad english inserted[x]

[distant elm]

Wait who who was in beast pirates right?

[pure raven]

he is cp9 before

[distant elm]

Then blackbeard ?

[pure raven]

ye

[pastel summit]

cp9, not cp0. he has no known connection to blackbeard

[distant elm]

I mean when did he join blackbeard pirates

[pure raven]

i was wrong sorry

[amber oar]

WW seems more invested on rising in the Beast Pirates ranks, I don't think he's interested in a return to be the WG's lap dog cat

[pure raven]

wait i said that he join blackbeard i really want to say beast pirate im dumb

🥴

[pure raven]

sorry i mean beast pirate i dont have sleep thats why i wrote blackbeard

[distant elm]

Okok

[pastel summit]

you mean he wants revenge on shanks or on the WG?

[slow sandal]

i wonder if big mom in 20's acts matured

[weary cliff]

Its concerning that two of her main traits are having a childlike worldview and also doing the nasty a lot

[modest skiff]

Hopefully she didn't spam "daughter daughter!" the way she currently spams "mama mama"

[queen arrow]

what

[pure raven]

Big mom gives zero shits about her children

Well unless they have power

[queen arrow]

i think he's talking about her laugh?

[waxen dust]

Hey the pirate world is a very stressful job, you got to do some people to kill the time and blow off the steam

[ancient vault]

but she didnt do it to lower her stress levels

[waxen dust]

That’s the life of a hoe, she belongs to the seas

[pure raven]

lets be real

she's eaten some of her partners. We all know it. Let's not beat around the bush

[waxen dust]

And vise versa
I’m looking at you Pound

[ancient vault]

she raped themm

[rare plaza]

Whaa-

[tired osprey]

She did, its even confirmed i believe

[rustic plume]

[pure raven]

Woah

[strong heath]

basically dragon is the strongest he’s the son of stronger marine who rivalled roger father of future king of pirates he’s the most wanted man also i think he has a thunderbird mythical zoan fruit hence the storm in logue town and why blackbeard talks about him and why he destroyed baltigo so he can find dragon he’s complety opposing world goverment he has to be strong or he would of been assisted by know he has highest bounty probaly and also sabo can take on admiral imagine him he was probaly a marine who trained with sakazuki and overpowers him shows why sakazuki after luffy so much cause of drsgon being strong and when dragon found out about the governments way he left and tried to create his own army that’s why he lost all ties with garp as he stepped down from navy his strength is prime roger and whitebeard power also you know garp forced the marine life on luffy i think he did that to dragon and and dragon and he became strong and his rival was akainu but dragon left the navy as soon as he found out how corrupt they where i think there relationship is similar to how coby and helmeppo will become as. coby sides with luffy a. bit this is why dragons always after luffy seeking revenge on his enemy’s son also you know how coby is a marine cause of luffy i think rogers the reason why dragon created his army as he gave him hope just like luffy did with coby and also told him about the void century after hearing about dragons ideals this is why dragon was at his funuereal paying respects

[pure raven]

After Wano ends, as Oda said Shanks was going to make a move this soon, Shanks goes to try and take down Blackbeard as he knows how dangerous Blackbeard is and the threat he holds, Shanks is killed by him, which sparks the final battle between Luffy and Blackbeard after luffy gets the news while he is in Elbaf or at Lodestar Island.
Either that or Luffy Vs Blackbeard happens during the final war after Shanks dies.
Tl;Dr Shanks dies, Final war starts

[weary cliff]

Unless Oda goes with something unconventional, something along those lines is what we should expect. We're at the stage where some of the big final pieces are starting to feel really obvious

[pure raven]

Yes

[halcyon sleet]

I like this a lot

finally someone shows Dragon some respect!

[strong heath]

he has to be the strongest

there’s no way he isn’t hidden for 20 years to be weak don’t be silly

if anyone else tried to start up a revolutionary army they would of been deaf

i think garp forced the marine life on drsgon and his partners was akainu

[halcyon sleet]

Yeah I would believe it, given your supporting evidence its consistent

[strong heath]

like coby and helmeppo relationship untill dragon realised the world goverment is corrupt

[visual merlin]

Not being the strongest doesn't mean weak

[strong heath]

and left and started his own army

[halcyon sleet]

yeah dude I see what you mean

[strong heath]

like you know how coby stands for proper justice idk how to explain

[visual merlin]

He's sure to be at least as strong as an admiral, and that's already very strong. Doesn't need to be top 1 to be strong

[halcyon sleet]

Yeah

[strong heath]

like real justice and peace that could of been the same for dragon and then he left after he found out how badly the word goverment is and left

i think that will happen to coby and helmeppo will become completely brainwashed and be like akainu

ik i’m sounding crazy but it all makes sense for me i’m sorry

[halcyon sleet]

Don't apologize dude its a great theory

[strong heath]

yeah

cause we obviously know garp would have obviously forced the marine life on dragon but then after a while when drsgon left he let him free cause he couldn’t do anything anymore after he found out how corrupt goverment where

i really have hope in dragon being very strong i want him to be the strongest and with a 6bill bounty

the hype when he comes omg i would lose it cause he has highest bounty obviously

also

[halcyon sleet]

Yeah he is one of my fav characters

[strong heath]

shanks is incredibly mysterious i got another theory bout him but it’s bizarre

wanna hear

[strong heath]

not 5 bil

[halcyon sleet]

I think it will be more

[strong heath]

he’s the most wanted man in world it’s prob 6 or 7

[halcyon sleet]

I almost got his face tattoo

[strong heath]

mihawks is 3

[halcyon sleet]

I got Ace's arm tattoo instead

[strong heath]

niceeeeeee

ace had to die for the plot he was already to op without awakening or haki he would of dominated

[halcyon sleet]

sadly

[strong heath]

if he learnt those stuff

he would dominate new world

[halcyon sleet]

Ikr

[strong heath]

i wanna see shanks v dragon

ok ima go get gwop gwop 3000 bye

[halcyon sleet]

np

[strong heath]

burr

bye 😘

oops i swear to god that was an accident my fricking bad sorry i meant bye have a good day also

[kindred quail]

what if Shanks is actually making his move this year, but only inside who's who's flashback?

[strong heath]

he has a time time fruit in my opinion

[dense wing]

Shanks doesn’t have a Devil fruit

[amber oar]

Shanks didn't have a df when he rescued Luffy 12 years ago, but we have zero reason to assume he doesn't have one now.

That said, I don't think he has one, and much less the time time. But a df on Shanks is not fully out of the picture

anyway let the time time fruit rest in peace (literally). It served as a plot device to tie Toki with the Void Century. It has zero purpose now.

[dusky acorn]

You know, that almost sounds like a fairly plausible intention behind Oda's comment in retrospect

I'd always had a hard time believing we'll be seeing Shanks in the present during Wano arc, and a comparably hard time thinking of events post Wano as anything remotely 'soon'.
Depending on how long the arc does go on for, I may just end up believing that as the move he was referring to

[versed hamlet]

Wouldnt that require for whos who to go more in depth with his relationship to shanks than that brief comment he made

Because it doesnt really feel like he made much of a move outside of stealing something from a ship

[dusky acorn]

I think it's quite possible we can get a detailed flashback of the incident, if Shanks and his crew are likely the ones who directly stole it from him

Would be a neat little precursor to what the Red Hairs truly got in store for later, in the present

If we get to see them in action while they were still weaker, rising pirates in their careers

[weak arrow]

@livid cypress dont post meme theories here.

[trim flicker]

Anyone think bon clays comin back again?

[weak arrow]

Yep. Imo revos will invade impel down to rescue Sabo who I think is placed there and mr 2 will be one of the players coming along back into the main story.

[tribal belfry]

def

[tribal belfry]

hmm Doffy could come back also if that happened

[fallow slate]

but thats just a theory

an anime theory

[wicked cairn]

nvm moving discussion over somewhere else

[hard heart]

is luffy devil fruit rly important

[weary cliff]

Yes its important lol

It's the fruit he will use to become pirate king. Smart of Oda to build it up now

[pure raven]

Within Orochi there will be the Kusanagi no Tsurugi, and it will be Yasuie's sword from ch 942 that we never see again

he swallowed it

[upbeat flower]

I just caught up to one piece and I’m kinda confused since I had to read quickly. What was up with I think ema or something that seemed to be the king of the world. He had like a straw hat or something?

I really didn’t process it at the time but now realize that’s a much bigger deal

[wispy pike]

he had a giant straw hat in his/her chamber

[split hornet]

And had luffys bounty in hand

[noble plaza]

i was thinking maybe it’s joyboys hat

[pure raven]

world's worst criminal*

there's a huge difference between World's worst criminal and World's most wanted man

[tardy dune]

Imu is the true king of the world, in control of the 5 dudes who are the "world rulers". He had a large straw hat, which is likely important, and is going to try to "snuff out" a "light"

[rotund remnant]

My theory on why the Gomu Gomu no mi is so important is because its linked to the void century or JoyBoy. It makes sense why Shanks would've took it. He heard about the fruit from either Oden or Roger when they were reading the ponoglyphs and wanted to take it for some reason? Maybe he wanted to stop the hunt for JoyBoy and taking away the fruit would be the best way? It would also explain why Shanks was at the Reverie talking about "him" which is luffy. He is JoyBoy in some way as he basically is getting relics from the void century. The Straw Hat. The DF. and whatever else is next

[maiden siren]

nice

[blazing nymph]

LOL ^ hilarious username

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, it could be that the fruit is useless and doesn't serve a grand purpose, but the fact Joyboy had it, or it would the first devil fruit, and probably serves to help find any missing link, Imu did NOT want it stolen, and along with the giant straw hat, he wanted it hidden.

OH WHAT IF OARS AND OARS JR WERE FORESHADOWINGS FOR JOYBOY BEING A GIANT MAYBE?

Giant straw hat, Oars used Luffy's techniques and his anatomy allowed him to kinda copy the moves, and Oars jr wearing that strawhat ace made him, were references to Joyboy being a giant?

[patent summit]

I think the government wanted to give gomu gomu no mi to a marine prodidgy. So he or she could learn the fruit's awakening so the marines have a direct counter to the gura gura no mi.

[rotund remnant]

The fruit being not important power wise but history wise is a good theory

[pure raven]

maybe Gomu Gomu No Mi was the fruit that JoyBoy had if he had a devil fruit to begin with.

[weary cliff]

It also makes perfect sense for it to be a power thing. We practically already know Luffy is going to have an awakening and that's what's going to propel him to PK level. Since his haki is getting to be at its peak now and he's still not there. So if this awakening is a huge power up, and just one user before Luffy has done it, then the WG could have known and wanted it. Lastly, if Luffy has an idea of what that past awakening was, like through Shanks, then he can start to make his own version. After all, Luffy always takes inspiration for new moves. How would he take inspiration for a gomu gomu exclusive power if not from a previous user?

[crimson geyser]

Isn't zoro's title "pirate hunter" zoro?

[rotund remnant]

I doubt JoyBoy had a DF. He went to see Poseidon and everything

[amber oar]

I mean, so did Luffy

[minor juniper]

And with great honor i present you: King

||im just kidding, his name is Doringo, and i doubt he can move those wings, but its funny to think that maaybe he is a leatherless version of King ||

[rotund remnant]

It also really wouldnt make much sense. JoyBoy wasent a fighter if anything he wanted peace. DF's are seen as well. . .Devils. It would be a polar opposite of what JoyBoy wanted to be

[ancient vault]

Wanting peace doesnt directly mean being a pacifist

[amber oar]

and neither means not being a fighter

[weary cliff]

In fact, if we trust Kaido's take on it and how he considered a fighter like Luffy to be Joyboy, then Joyboy could absolutely have been one himself

[cedar dust]

in a world with a lot of evil like one piece, brute force can be used to create peace, and i think thats shown through how luffy frees countries by fighting the villian there

therefore joy boy should have been a very strong character

[sly mulch]

Has anyone found out the name of Rogers sword yet ?

Also do you guys think that all 12 supreme grade swords existed a long time ago ? or were they just normal swords and throughout time the wielders training and fights raised them in “ rank “ till they reach supreme grade ?

[ancient vault]

its ace

[pure raven]

how was he the strongest then ? why not roger ?

[versed hamlet]

he literally was called the strongest man alive before roger was executed

roger just got pk title cuz whitebeard wasnt really interested and roger got to laugh tale first

[grizzled fog]

He and roger were equals in strength

[pure raven]

No not that time when oden joined his crew roger was alive ?

right?

[grizzled fog]

Roger was alive when oden joined his crew yes lol

[pure raven]

Then how was he the strongest man alive even though roger was there ?

[knotty sky]

You don't have to be the strongest man in the world to be pirate king

[ancient vault]

cause roger is simply not stronger than wb lol

[pure raven]

Well maybe

[olive quail]

The new vivre card info on Marco's bounty makes the idea likely that King's bounty is 1.33 billion, only 10 million more than Queen's to reflect Sanji and Zoro's bounty difference. I doubt King has a higher bounty than Marco.

[queen wind]

i didnt read it, what was marco's bounty?

[olive quail]

1.374 billion i think

[grizzled fog]

1.374 bil

[olive quail]

Does anyone know the goroawase pun from that bounty?

Because Oda never goes specific beyond 2 digits unless he's making a pun

[grave marsh]

hey everyone, i was thinking about why the gomu gomu no mi would be important and the idea of its awakening has been hovering around. i dont see why its awakening wouldnt just be turning other objects into rubber, but that might actually be a good thing for the WG. what if Enel's fruit, the Goro Goro No Mi is actually also super important like if it was part of one of the super weapons or something. we see during skypiea that Enel can generate a giant ball of lightning to destroy a whole island just like that. since luffy's rubber can resist pretty much any amount of lightning, maybe what the world government actually wanted/wants is the goro goro no mi, but since they cant find it given its been in the sky for id assume at least since when skypiea first got separated from jaya they needed the gomu gomu no mi instead to protect from the goro goro no mi.

sorry if it doesnt make sense, i just thought of this real quick, and i do believe enel might come back at some point so maybe its actually true. i dont see any other real reason they would need it.

TLDR: need gomu gomu no mi awakening to protect from goro goro no mi since they dont know where the goro goro no mi is

[sly mulch]

The might be a misunderstanding or mistranslation about whitebeard being the strongest man alive at the time he recruited oden. But I just want to also say that the latest vivre card states that roger got his illness two years after the god valley incident and keeping that in mind he met oden and whitebeard after 10 years with the disease so he may have gotten weaker than whitebeard

[cedar sinew]

the WG wanting a specific fruit to protect themselves from another specific fruit is very much a stretch

there are also other DFs capable of the same destruction

and other ways to protect yourself from lightening

[olive quail]

I can kind of see it if the fruit theyre trying to counter was the gura gura no mi, since Whitebeard was an active pirate at the time and the biggest pirate threat to the WG

Rubber is very good at absorbing shockwaves

[cedar sinew]

so is barto's fruit

[weary cliff]

The gura gura is much more feasible than the goro goro. Both because WB posed a clear and present danger at the time and because Luffy is set to fight a gura gura user anyways

[olive quail]

Not really, his fruit wont stop an earthquake

[cedar sinew]

neither is luffy's fruit

[grave marsh]

true, but again maybe theres some other significance to the goro goro no mi that we havent seen yet. maybe enel could learn something on the moon and then come back down to the blue sea. it just feels like we never found out much about enel (like why he was on skypiea given he doesnt have any wings) and that he would come back at some point, but we are pretty late in the story so im expecting if he does come back then he will be a pretty big significant threat to everyone since he will want to be king

[dense wing]

The WG wouldn't think of the Gomu as significant just because it's a counter to the Gura

[weary cliff]

I mean it might. The awakening is a total unknown

[dense wing]

It isn't even a full counter most likely

[cedar sinew]

so might barto's fruit

why only apply hypotheticals to luffy's fruit

barto's fruit is specifically made to counter blunt attacks

[olive quail]

I mean it's much easier to imagine how Luffy's awakening could do it that barto's fruit's awakening

[dense wing]

Until it's elaborated further, the significance of the fruit being because of a previous holder makes far more sense

[weary cliff]

Because Luffy's fruit is the topic lol we know they wanted it and we essentially know awakening g is coming

[dense wing]

Than simply because of the Gomu's powers. The Gomu is just a decent paramecia

[cedar sinew]

that doesn't mean it's being used to stop the gura gura or the goro goro lol

there are other fruits that can do a better job, if that was their goal

also even if we assume that its awakening acheives that, that'd take a ton of time

[weary cliff]

Oh I agree with the conclusion too. Goro makes no sense. Gura is only halfway plausible

[olive quail]

I guess, but who care who had the fruit before? What does that effect?

[grave marsh]

i dont think it would be a stretch to say that vegapunk could be working on how to force out fruit awakenings

[cedar sinew]

if WB was a threat and they needed a counter, their solution wouldn't be the gomu gomu fruit, give it to someone, and wait for them to awaken

[olive quail]

Theoretically chopper figured that out.

[cedar sinew]

why would it not be a stretch

[grave marsh]

very trye ultra banana, thats along the lines of what i was thinking

[weary cliff]

He is the world's preeminent expert on the matter

[cedar sinew]

and btw we're assuming this was in the past, not what'll happen in the future

forced awakenings still aren't a thing

[grave marsh]

also caesar knew how to improve chopper's rumble balls so that was a bit interesting to me too

[weary cliff]

Simply due to his work on gigantification, less so fruit stuff

[cedar sinew]

I wouldn't say improve necessarily

increased the duration but increased the setback too

[grave marsh]

because awakenings from what we've seen give a big boost in power, if you could get that boost in a matter of even hours compared to several decades that would be huge for the WG

and chopper has already basically achieved it with his zoan, im sure vegapunk would be able to do it too

[cedar sinew]

chopper hasn't

[weary cliff]

It at least stands to reason VP would research awakening

[grave marsh]

good point, still though its interesting to me

[cedar sinew]

so do you think to counter the gura gura the WG got the gomu gomu to

1. give it to a potent user
2. wait for vegapunk to force awaken them in a short period of time which isn't possible even in present day
3. hope that the awakening it good enough

[olive quail]

Personally i think this makes more sense than the fruit was owned by someone super important. If that were the case how has no one, among the Yonko, WG, and general public made that connection?

[cedar sinew]

why wouldn't they just do what they did in MF

[grave marsh]

mf?

[cedar sinew]

marineford

[olive quail]

Marineford got destroyed.

Wouldve been nice to avoid that

[weary cliff]

By nerfed WB no less

[cedar sinew]

sounds like an impossible outcome

[cedar sinew]

probably because it has to do with the VC

which is not known to the general public, but I wouldn't be suprised if some of the yonkos have hints about it

and we haven't seen it yet. Kaido did mention joyboy after all

[olive quail]

But why would that matter unless the fruit itself had a use

How would losing the fruit hurt the WG unless the fruit could be used against them in a meaningful way

Or for them

[weary cliff]

I think it's all one in the same. The fruit has historical significance known only to Gorosei, this significance is because the power the awakening had and that what this builds to. How Luffy will get the power up. I dont see it tied to countering WB

[dense wing]

Considering how anything to do with Roger was attempted to be purged by the WG

Simply because he FOUND Laughtale

[cedar sinew]

if we assume that it was owned by joyboy, maybe it has to do with inherited wills, or whatever it on laugh tale, or the parallels of joyboy/roger/luffy

[dense wing]

It would make sense that if the Gomu had to do with VC or was Joyboy's, that Imu would ordered it to be guarded

[cedar sinew]

I think it just has to do with the fact that it was owned by a very important person in the past

and it could create the same kind of danger in the future

so the WG tried to secure it

[olive quail]

But im saying that wouldnt make sense unless the fruit itself could provide the user a method to create that danger

[grave marsh]

they couldve just put a billion beli bounty on luffy's poster and put "alive only" at the start of the story if they worried about the gomu gomu being a danger to them though

[cedar sinew]

also like, it wasn't a national emergency or anything. It just got stolen and who's who got punished I assume

[pure raven]

wouldn't that unneccesarily bring attention to it

[dense wing]

If it is about inherited will and like the next user of the Gomu could be the next Joyboy etc, then it's not necessarily ab the powers

Rather the destiny aspect

Like the Straw Hat in a way

[pure raven]

also , since Who Who escaped we can assume he wasn't put in impel down, but a low grade prisom

[cedar sinew]

again, you're exaggerating it. The fact that it was owned by someone important makes the fruit fairly important. That's why there is some sort of significance to it. Doesn't mean that somehow it's their #1 priority now that a kid has eaten it

[grave marsh]

ok well a billion is a bit much, but 30 million was pretty big for a first bounty so that already brought attention. im sure making it say 200 million wouldnt have been too bad. or you could keep the one billion and reveal that he is dragon's son so thats why hes important

[dense wing]

Also yeah the fact that it was important but not important enough to make a huge uproar implies the Fruit's powers aren't threatening

It's just symbolic

[pure raven]

at the end of the day, the potential is of human . the fruit can make you strong, but only so much

[cedar sinew]

I don't think it has anything to do with strength of the fruit

in fact Id think gomu gomu no mi is average in terms of base capabilities. Luffy just brings out infinite potential from it

[pure raven]

but it could be historical significance. considering CP9 was asked to gaurd it. the same CP9 that lead destruction of ohara and Captured Nico Robin

[cedar sinew]

cp9 thing is just a nice callback/worldbuilding imo. The actual historical significance comes from the previous wielder of the fruit

[icy sapphire]

theory: only people with D in their name can awaken their fruits

[cedar sinew]

katakuri is awakened

[pure raven]

if you consider it, CP organisations are under direct control of Celestial dragons, meanwhile, marines answer to their admirals. hence if Celestial dragons want something done descreetly they may employ CP

[olive quail]

Doffy did it

[icy sapphire]

well maybe then their awakening could be much different

i think will of D can unlock certain abilities of fruits

[cedar sinew]

yeah fody that's the stated purpose of the cp organization

there's nothing that indicates that will of D can unlock certain abilities of fruits

[icy sapphire]

just a theory

[dense wing]

Yeah, there's just no evidence towards said theory

D obviously has some significance though, maybe the whole smiling thing

[pure raven]

i don't think Oda does that thing where someone is strong cause lineage thing. even in case of Sanji it was explicitly said he was actually failed experiment

[dense wing]

That Kaido mentioned

And then he later commented ab Joyboy

[icy sapphire]

i dunno maybe like being able to change certain elements of their fruits

[dense wing]

CoC possibly being genetically inherited disproves that

[icy sapphire]

it’s just something i thought about lmao

[dense wing]

He's already done the whole "families are strong"

[cedar sinew]

well you still have to awaken coc

but yeah alot of people are strong by blood, though I don't think it's specifically because some special "lineage" factor.

[dense wing]

No ofc

Not anything that'll be major in the series

I'm just saying that being related to someone strong is part of why they're strong. At least that's what the people in One Piece itself say

What a monstrous family etc

[pure raven]

the point being, fruit won't be special on it's own. and most likely we won't learn it's relevance only Who's Who's experience

[dense wing]

Specifically the Monkey's

[cedar sinew]

ye just regular biology

[pure raven]

have u seen how garp raises his kids XD

[cedar sinew]

I think if we do get some sort of flashback, there will be at least a hint/implication mentioned that gets us close to the truth

[pure raven]

on a completely different note, do you thin k if chopper was raised by a fighter, considering his 7 point transformation, he could've been crazy strong

[dense wing]

Anyone can be crazy strong

Especially a DF user

So yes

Say he was trained by Garp or Dragon or whatever