manga-theories

[pseudo citrus]

submarine meat

[pure raven]

👆

[oak mural]

1 month food storage from sub will be in his stomach and then he fights kaido

[solid shadow]

jewelery bonney

[reef grotto]

is act 3 ending on chapter 1017?

[sturdy hound]

[warm narwhal]

If Yamato has coc, she’s less likely to join. The story is about development and growth. It would be against the patterns if she have all The OP abilities already

[rigid wadi]

Roger's crew had 3 CoC users, Roger itself(equivalent to Luffy), his right hand Rayleigh(equivalent to Zoro) and Oden(equivalent to Yamato), so I see her having CoC more of an argument in favor rather than against

[opal hamlet]

Who do I think sanji equal to

[rigid wadi]

Don't know enough about other members but surely there is other known almost as monstrous as Roger or Rayleigh

[trim flicker]

What if bonney were to de age garp and sengoku

[rigid wadi]

Considering she doesn't have great fighting skills but has amazing infiltration ones(as seen when Mary Geoise event) imo with all the years she would pack a much higher bounty,so I think she is truly young

[reef nest]

4. Shanks

[limpid sequoia]

probably scopper is the 3rd of the Roger monster trio

[rigid wadi]

Well, Shanks didn't have awakened his CoC by that time, he was too young

[stark path]

Rayleigh and Gaban were Zoro and Sanji of Roger's crew to put it in a way

I do wonder what is Aokiji's role in BB pirates, is he the "X-Drake" in that group in a way? But he's not connected to marines anymore

[limpid sequoia]

Ever since the introduction of Sword, the idea that Aokiji might also be a part of Sword is something that makes a lot of sense, because as far as we know Sword isn't an official navy program, it seems like some type of special op that very many few people know about. And it doesn't really make sense for Aokiji to agree with anything BB has or will do, especially with the parallels to Rocks. Even though Aokiji left the marines, he still believes in some form of justice.

[final mulch]

you forgot buggy, he will awaken one day

[rigid wadi]

Our boy will become Yonko and awaken 3 haki too, I believe in him

[limpid sequoia]

[hasty python]

buggys awakening gon be op af

if its like mingos that is

[full trout]

it would be cool if his awakened fruit allowed him to seperate other objects and people

[autumn vapor]

Itd be a Law scam.

Law's fruit already does it in the unawakened form.

[weary cliff]

This is one detail that I feel needs to be elaborated on eventually. If Kaido had shown up, the marines would have been wiped out. He had the perfect shot to capitalize on another Yonko to fulfill his goals, and he knew that. So until we figure out what happened between him and Shanks, the whole thing is going to feel like a plot convenience

[karmic bay]

after arc wano there will be a big war the theory is war in reverie

[glacial knot]

Teach is gonna hit 4B soon. The general theory, or general expectation is that he'll be the final rival, right?

Dude's powers are OP

I think he might even surpass White Beard

I wonder whar Dragon is worth

This whole thing about Sanji being worth 10m more than Zoro is because Zoro missed his upgrade, right?

No one actually expects this to last, right?

I think Zoro will hit a billion next. He's gotta, man. Sanji, I don't think will be much close, the gap will widen (although it's a bit impressive that he hasn't gotten hit much and he's done a lot)

Kid and Law might hit a bill, but honestly, they haven't dealt nearly as much damage as Luffy has already done. I think Traf realises it, but it's crazy how Kid is still smug about it, I think he's still confident that he's better (although there have been signs where he gave Luffy the nod)

Luffy - 4B (assuming he'll defeat Kaido alone, without intervention)
Zoro - 1.5-2B (giving him a status of possibly the highest bountied pirate that's not a captain)
Traf - 2B
Kid - 2B

I want to be more conservative, but IDK, it's what I think is fair, as far as my expectations go

The pace of the story is going really fast, so I could definitely see this development. I feel like if they were valued at any less than that (Luffy especially, since he's on his way to becoming the next Emperor), it'd kinda say that the story isn't near it's end, not like we expect

Exaggerating?

[waxen dust]

No you’re actually on the right track, this seems accurate. Also BB getting 4B make sense since he will likely try to intervene with the WG trying to get Pluton in Alabasta.

[glacial knot]

I am so not ready for that
Just because I have a strong feeling we'll get teased so early and have to wait so long to see how it played out

[waxen dust]

We still have few things to do before Luffy vs BB, so after Wano is the right time to start setting the pieces. And Shanks will be involved in their fight so it makes even more sense for Luffy & BB to be 4B, BUT not surpass Shanks’ bounty

[worldly anvil]

if there one thing Morgans is good for, is blowing things up as in being dramatic about everyone

[waxen dust]

Drama sells papers

[worldly anvil]

exactly

[calm atlas]

If luffy won, then does it mean he can be able to finish off Blackbeard who has 2.2B?

[modest skiff]

If BB has a plan to defeat CDs that seems viable, that would be enough to recruit him IMO

[modest skiff]

If all sea prism stone comes from Wano, I think it supports the idea that Wano is on a turtle or something else with a shell or scales or something. Perhaps seaprism is a part of some really big creature and that’s why seakings ignore ships with seaprism

[quiet forum]

If zoro defeats king his bounty will be 2billion

[long jungle]

I think zoro's been just as strong as luffy since the timeskip, its just that he hadnt faced a worthy opponent

[quiet forum]

Luffy will become the strongest yonko(by defeating kaido)

[pure raven]

I really really disagree

If he was that strong he would have had those fights

[long jungle]

zoro took down pika with an ease and against fujitora even luffy wasnt close to winning

[modest skiff]

Not sure about equal but I think he would have also beaten Doffy

[long jungle]

yeah

[rigid wadi]

Only if he gets more soldiers to his fleet, if not, other Yonkos would still win in crew/territory

[quiet forum]

Kaido is the strongest. So theres no problem for luffy to be the strongest

[modest skiff]

Honestly there have been times in the show i think zoro has been stronger than Luffy, equal others, less at others

[long jungle]

even right before luffy got a hang of that new attack, zoro was doing the most among the 5

[quiet forum]

@rigid wadi individually he will become the strongest. He can defeat any yonko on an 1vs1

[long jungle]

BB with 2 fruits is stronger than kaido obv

[modest skiff]

At the very least, Zoro has absorbed the most damage and dealt the most damage prior to being removed from the fight

[rigid wadi]

Nah but BB will get another PowerUp to become a final enemy

[quiet forum]

@long jungle nope. Kaidos speciality is his durability. Bb cant take down kaido

[modest skiff]

Theoretical matchups involving BB, who we know almost nothing about his current power, is silly

[long jungle]

both of his powers are alr op

[rigid wadi]

Maybe Kaido gets killed and BB gets the Dragon fruit so then he would have the strongest of each type

[long jungle]

but hes lost 7 times alr right

[quiet forum]

Dont overrate zoro. Even in dressdora doffy can defeat zoro.
Lets wait for yamatos figh against kaido

[modest skiff]

we don't know its the strongest. IMO it is more likely that he has another fruit with another unique ability rather than ooga booga strong

[quiet forum]

@long jungle not on an 1vs1 battle i think

[rigid wadi]

katakuri would pee on Zoro too imo

[long jungle]

how else, kaido has like the biggest army among the emperors

[quiet forum]

@long jungle theres no info about kaidos defeat. I think from current era no one can defeat kaido on an 1vs1 battle

[rigid wadi]

Among all 1st commanders/right hands from Yonkous, Katakuri is the strongest we've seen and by far

[quiet forum]

Marco says hii

[long jungle]

it said he has LOST 7 times so far

[rigid wadi]

Is stated that was defeat vs Marine AND other emperors,

[long jungle]

its just they couldnt kill him

[rigid wadi]

BM for example seems on his lvl, Imo she defeated Kaido at least once

[visual merlin]

kaido's been defeated 7 times in the past

currently he's most likely the strongest guy out there

[quiet forum]

@long jungle who defeated him. Is it an 2vs1 battle. Did he fought any yonkos?

[visual merlin]

though that doesn't mean it's impossible to beat him 1v1 either

[long jungle]

no info but he has lost 7 times

[quiet forum]

@long jungle no yonko can beat kaido. Wb got a chance

[visual merlin]

all of them have a chance, he's just more likely to win

[long jungle]

[rigid wadi]

fck don't remember the exact number but Im pretty sure it was stated that in those 7 times were implied other Yonkos

[long jungle]

yeah and captured 18 times by the marines

[quiet forum]

1 handed shanks have no chance

[visual merlin]

defeated 7 times, captured 18, executed 40, and it says these were generally done by marines or yonko

[quiet forum]

Even mohwak got a chance

[visual merlin]

why wouldn't shanks have a chance

[rigid wadi]

Hello?Marineford?

[long jungle]

but we know he stopped kaido and reached marineford in time

[visual merlin]

Kaido has literally said he has a chance basically lol

[rigid wadi]

Shanks literally stopped Kaido from doing more lol

[quiet forum]

How can he match kaido with one handed swordsmanship

[visual merlin]

he's strong

same way he can match anyone else with one handed swordsmanship

[weary cliff]

Big haki

[rigid wadi]

battle was offscreened then but Shanks was one-handed and we know he stopped Kaido there

[visual merlin]

if his one arm was such a big deal he wouldn't be an emperor

[quiet forum]

If oda introduces shanks with other skills then its okay. Otherwise 🧐

[visual merlin]

why does he need to

plenty of people hold their sword with 1 hand anyway

[iron lion]

shanks has such powerful haki he can create a haki-infused phantom left arm

[weary cliff]

Well he got Kaido to stand down. I dont think we confirmed they fought

[long jungle]

as far as we know even roger didnt have a df, it totally makes sense for one handed shanks to be stronger than kaido

[visual merlin]

one handed swordsmanship

[quiet forum]

@visual merlin mihwak refused shanks that means 1 hand will affect the swordsmanship

[visual merlin]

clearly he's very strong even with the 1 arm

Mihawk refused meaning he doesn't want to fight someone with 1 arm

[quiet forum]

Just like jaimie struggled when he lost his arm

[visual merlin]

clearly shanks would still be a very hard fight

[rigid wadi]

I mean imo depends on the battle and the circunstances, but every emperor has chances of defeating other emperor

[visual merlin]

johny, you see shanks clashing with WB right there right?

[pure raven]

that shanks and mihawk are adpoted brothers

[quiet forum]

@rigid wadi ok
Bm basically an monster
Bb with op dfs
Kaido immortal

Then shanks
One handed swordsmanship

[visual merlin]

yea, it's easy to get their weakest point

Kaido basically a drunk idiot

Big mom fat and crazy

BB a coward

[rigid wadi]

not just a scale of power of "Kaido > Big Mom > Shanks so nobody can defeat Kaido", I don't think it works like that, then would not be 4 yonkos, the strongest would just be pirate king

[visual merlin]

Shanks strong haki user

[quiet forum]

@visual merlin thats an haki display. But in an battle losing his arm will affect it

[visual merlin]

good thing he's strong with his 1 arm

[long jungle]

i didnt expect kaido to possess conq haki cuz of his weak will that he tried to suicide multiple times

[visual merlin]

stronger than he was with 2

it only means he'd be even stronger if he did have 2 arms, not that he must be weaker than these people

[weary cliff]

You know, since he was only recognized as yonko after losing an arm

[quiet forum]

May be hes like reilegh he use kicks or guns

[rigid wadi]

Shanks is the most fragile tho. Got scar from pre-DF BB, lost his arm vs the sea king........ I always thought that as his weakest point, that he is more of a normal human in terms of resistance, kind of glasscannon, just that he can somewhat defend himself with armament, but still fragile

[visual merlin]

maybe, but even if he uses a sword it works the same way

clearly even with 1 arm he's capable of fighting these people

a handicap doesn't automatically make him weaker, similar to how zoro won't always be weaker than mihawk just because he's missing an eye

[quiet forum]

@visual merlin oda said something about his fighting style inan sbs. May be hes an brawler. In the game he uses pistol with coc bullets

[visual merlin]

don't use the game

but yes, there may be more

the point is there doesn't have to be more for him to be a challenge for kaido or anyone else

[glacial knot]

I don't think BB's bounty is accurate and certainly not final, because they haven't seen his full power, and they called him "a new Emperor", so they don't know much about his capabilities

He still hasn't done enough damage to earn him a higher bounty

So, I think, like the other guys said, when he makes his next move, probably against the WG, his bounty will increase, and will give him a better representation

I don't think Luffy can beat him just yet

I think he has to use that thing Doflamingo has mentioned, the hidden powers of his fruit that we haven't seen yet

The thing where he can turn objects into his fruit or whatever. What's that called? You guys remember that?

[zinc iris]

awakening

for the material paramecias is about turning the environment in the same substance pertaining the df

so luffy would make stuff rubbery

but various DFs are going to have different awakenings and more often than not is an additional qualitative ability instead of a straight "the same power but stronger"

[clear sundial]

wow

[tribal belfry]

paramecias are unique, so I'd say every type has their own awakening

[zinc iris]

so luffy's awakening is not going to be specifically useful against BB more than other abilities

if anything the recent skill of hitting the opponent without actually making contact is going to be the best asset

[tribal belfry]

also all the ppl we have seen use their awakening( Doflamingo and Katakuri) feel more like a logia type

even tho they are classified as a paramecia. I feel like they're awakening is closer to a logias

[vestal orbit]

How’d doggy feel like a logia

*doffy
Pls kill me

[quiet forum]

Why dont marine use haki bullets

[visual merlin]

Im sure the people who have haki and use guns do

[quiet forum]

But ben beckman uses guns for smashing fodders

[visual merlin]

what about it

[quiet forum]

Can law use his df ability to slash zoro.

[visual merlin]

sure

[tribal belfry]

He was able to turn himself into string right?

[quiet forum]

I mean like he did to vergo. Law said that he cant use that abilty to strong haki persons

[modest skiff]

Depends on Zoro's haki, apparently

[visual merlin]

he didn't say that, or else it wouldn't work on vergo

[tribal belfry]

He can use it on kaido

so he can slash anyone. It's only his swaps that wont work depending on haki

[visual merlin]

there are certain abilities he can't use against the yonko

we don't know if anyone else can do what the yonko do there

[quiet forum]

@tribal belfry nope he said yonko hakis is too strong

[visual merlin]

yonko yes

[tribal belfry]

he still used injection shot and other attacks etc.

[visual merlin]

for switching, and presumably a few other abilities

[tribal belfry]

he even hit kaido's heart. so his devil fruit is still useful against ppl with high haki

[quiet forum]

@tribal belfry thats not an op ability from his df

[modest skiff]

My headcanon for how this whole DF/haki dynamic works:

Devil fruits will work against users of equal haki. If someone has much stronger haki, they can invalidate devil fruits. I don't think that devil fruits would be totally ineffective if both fighters were equal. Since BM is way stronger than Law's haki, his DF didn't work on her.

[tribal belfry]

it is

[quiet forum]

@tribal belfry his df got more potential. But none of those will work on strong haki users

[tribal belfry]

his injection shot and internal attacks (like on kaido's heart and inside of neck) are part of his df

so it can still be used, just not to it's fullest potential

[visual merlin]

certain ones do not work on the yonko

it was never said any strong haki user can negate that

[tribal belfry]

some of Law's devil fruits worked on kaido, but not all

[visual merlin]

the vergo situation already debunks it, because vergo had strong haki

[quiet forum]

@tribal belfry his attack against vergo(basically slashing in to pieces), and his room. This wont work on strong haki users

[modest skiff]

If all you had to do was be really strong to negate devil fruits, that would mean that top tier fights are totally beyond DFs

[tribal belfry]

yea, but his devil fruit can do other attacks though

[vestal orbit]

String clone

[tribal belfry]

ah, I thought he made himself into string once tho, but im not too sure

[glacial knot]

Thank you

[quiet forum]

Why didnt sanji sense doffys strings. Sanjis specaiality is CoO

[tribal belfry]

CoO doesn't make someone to dodge everyone

[modest skiff]

someone specializing in something (also, not convinced CoO is his "thing) does not mean they are all powerful.

[tribal belfry]

doffy was prolly faster than him as well

[modest skiff]

It would be extremely stupid if Sanji was able to predict every possible attack just because its his "thing"

[quiet forum]

@tribal belfry but he didnt even noticed it

[modest skiff]

Because the story was written that way, lol

[tribal belfry]

Doffy might have been too fast

[modest skiff]

You are asking us to like derive the physics of how Sanji's perception works. That's silly

[tribal belfry]

Sanji's strongest haki is CoO but that doesn't mean his CoO is as strong as some other people's

[quiet forum]

@modest skiff all said was he was never aware of those strings are coming. If he got goodCoO. Why didnt ge sensed it

[tribal belfry]

Like Luffy specializes in COC, but his CoO is still stronger than Sanji's

[modest skiff]

Because he can simply not sense things and its as simple as that. Why can't he sense Shanks at all moments? Because he's far away and Sanji isn't that strong. The answer is simple, he just can't. He isn't that developed.

[glacial knot]

We haven't seen Kaido use the advanced CoO, I wonder how that'll pan out

Will Oda make it so that even some of the greats can't use it, or will we see a complex battle of both of them anticipating each other's attacks and trying to be one step ahead?

[visual merlin]

Luffy's really good at all hakis at this point

he's the best in every category in his crew

[glacial knot]

What's Zoro's newfound haki, again?

[tribal belfry]

Do you guys think Luffy's gears are slowly killing him?
His gear 2 was said to be depleting his lifespan
Even though it wasn't mentioned his gear 3 and gear 4 could be slowly destroying his bones and muscles as well, and since those are internal we cant see them

[glacial knot]

Did we discoved his CoC?

[zinc iris]

they are "material paramecia" in the sense that their power is based on a substance
but usually have one trait like they usually become the material or generate the material or can turn objects into the material instead of having multiple traits at once
luffy is rubber
doflamingo generates strings
katakuri is mochi and generates mochi hence the oddity but otherwise is pretty regular as a material paramecia

[visual merlin]

Kaido doesn't have advanced CoO

[quiet forum]

@modest skiff why didyou bring shanks up. Doffy used an strange attack but sanji never sensed it. Thats all

[modest skiff]

Because the same question could be asked and it would be similarly unreasonable. Why can't Sanji jump to the moon? Because he isn't strong enough. Asking why a character wasn't capable of something is a silly question because we don't know and we can only guess why something didn't happen other than "he can't".

[tribal belfry]

he most likely does

[glacial knot]

Huh, so that is possible

I expected the higher powers you go, like, the higher the enemy, the more powers they possess

So I guess it's possible he'd face enemies that wouldn't have some forms of haki

But it isn't explicitly stated that Kaido doesn't possess it though, right?

[visual merlin]

he most likely does not, because he's not used it at all

[tribal belfry]

I mean that's like saying Luffy doesn't have it cuz he didnt use it in the fight with kaido yet

[visual merlin]

it's not the sort of thing where you must have it if you are at a certain level

he did use it Mugiwara

[modest skiff]

We haven't seen it yet, at least. Although BM needing to warn him does support the idea he doesn't have it

[glacial knot]

I just assume all the Yonko do have them
Part of their greatness
Bigger challenge

[visual merlin]

and we know he has it even before then

[tribal belfry]

against kaido?

[quiet forum]

@modest skiff observation haki basically is observing. Doffy used string attack in front of sanji. But sanji never sensed that attack or those strings??

[visual merlin]

we shouldn't assume anyone has it

yes Mugiwara

1001

[tribal belfry]

ah ok mb. But Im certain all the yonko have it

[visual merlin]

Currently, there's no reason to believe he has it, if anything there is reason to believe he lacks it

them being strong doesn't mean they have everything

[glacial knot]

That's my theory as well
From this point on, all his enemies will

[modest skiff]

Why would BM need to warn Kaido to dodge if he has it? Perhaps just very weak?

[visual merlin]

if its very weak it wouldn't be advanced

[modest skiff]

right

[visual merlin]

why though, if they're not even going to use it?

[tribal belfry]

I mean Kaido does seem like the person who doesnt care about dodging and stuff(from CoO)

[glacial knot]

I feel like that's the pattern of powers

Once we find out a new form of power

All enemies will have it, and it's the secret of their greatness

[visual merlin]

so then why would he have advanced CoO

[quiet forum]

Im wondering if shanks ever fought kaido how did he alive. (Dont count marineford. I think they fought before)

[modest skiff]

In my eyes, BM was like "Oh shit, Kaido won't sense what is happening here, I need to warn him"

[visual merlin]

that's not how that works though Javier

[tribal belfry]

so ig kaido could have just rlly rlly strong armament and good COC as well

[glacial knot]

We don't know that he wouldn't use it

[visual merlin]

the same way kaido doesn't have ryou like luffy

[tribal belfry]

doesn't he use ryou with COC?

[visual merlin]

he has yet to use it, at what point do we say "okay yea he doesn't have it"

[glacial knot]

IDK, we haven't gotten to the good part yet

[visual merlin]

no, and we have also seen him confused on what haki luffy and the scabbards have used

we've been in the good part

[quiet forum]

Luffy, kata no other character used advanced observatiin haki yet

[modest skiff]

You're saying Kaido might be in a fight and not bother to sense the people he's fighting? To the point where BM needs to warn him? I'm deeply skeptical of that

[glacial knot]

3rd fight's the charm

[visual merlin]

that saying does not apply here lol

[tribal belfry]

we have yet to see how Luffy and Kaidou's 1v1 was like

[visual merlin]

Just because they are strong is not enough reason to assume they have it, despite us seeing them fight a bunch and not once use it

[modest skiff]

Is Kaido the most conclusive victory against Luffy since Crocodile?

[visual merlin]

again, we have reason to believe they lack it, even

for example, big mom asking katakuri what happening

him feeling the need to use his own future sight

[tribal belfry]

I think CoO is the haki that's taken the least seriously

[visual merlin]

in the fandom yes

[tribal belfry]

even in the one piece world as well

[visual merlin]

we've no indication of people respecting one over the other in one piece world

[grizzled fog]

Probably because it’s harder to see the impact regular old coO has in combat

[modest skiff]

I feel like Luffy would have died somewhere around 900 times by now without his CoO

[glacial knot]

I'm not a fan of how it's utilised or revealed either
But I think it's plausible considering how the rest of the fights slowly reveal each rival's power

[grizzled fog]

Well we already know kaido used coO at least once

[visual merlin]

after Kata used future sight and shot his jelly bean and whatnot, this makes it pretty clear big mom at least does not have future sight

[grizzled fog]

After the combined Hakai attack

[modest skiff]

True. And devil's advocate against my own argument: If Kaido's wish is to die in combat, wouldn't CoO only be a bad thing for him? Maybe he thinks CoO is cheating in his purist philosophy. It could be that he doesn't like the idea of predicting movements using haki.

[visual merlin]

and from there, that should already erase the assumption that being strong or a yonko means you have it

[glacial knot]

Fully frank: I've noticed that so many people are okay with Luffy falling once, twice, thrice

But man, every time we think or say "he's gonna make it, no falling back now, no failing", he goes and falls down

Is that ever going to end?

Are we supposed to expect that fate will guide Luffy to victory, and that it's not his actions alone?

Cause like, there are so many hail Marys, man

[glacial knot]

Love that take

[pure raven]

naw

[tribal belfry]

I feel like Kaido would never want to dodge an attack

[pure raven]

never gonna end

[grizzled fog]

Well I mean he already has once.

[modest skiff]

Well, he did dodge before, but I think he doesn't like using haki to dodge

[tribal belfry]

feels like its in his nature to take on any attack and be a complete brawler

[grizzled fog]

He dodged red hawk.

[tribal belfry]

maybe instinct?

[grizzled fog]

Wut

[tribal belfry]

like he instinctively dodged it

[glacial knot]

I mean, his drop in the sea, that's a big fuck up

His nakama's reactions got us assured that he'll make it, because miracles happen

But man, it feels like everything around him is making him win, not him alone

Chance after chance after chance

Will we ever experience his greatness on its own? A self-sufficient emperor (not that it's about him being alone, it's always about his crew as a whole)?

He'll be the pirate king, man, not the pirate oligarchy, or pirate president with the help of his cabinet

IDK, it occupies my mind sometimes

[zinc iris]

no because the point is that Luffy is carried by the people

[glacial knot]

Remember when Zoro gave him that lecture when they restarted in the New World? When he told him "don't fall again" and that he should realise his actions have consequences and that shit?

[modest skiff]

I think there are enough people in the OP universe who could kill Kaido if he just sat still and let them. What's the point in letting someone execute you? I don't think Kaido's wish is so shallow as to die. He needs to die in the right situation. I think he didn't mind jumping to his death because it would mean the planet killed him. But if all he wanted was to die, he could travel to the Navy and ask to be killed. So, if he took every possible attack, he would definitely die, and since that is probably known, I don't think he is committed to being hit by every attack

[grizzled fog]

That’s kind of the point lol. He needs help to beat kaido. It’s not something he’s capable of doing on his own

[glacial knot]

I mean, I feel like that wasn't fulfilled, that's what hurts me the most

[zinc iris]

being less reckless doesn't mean that he won't need help anyway

[tribal belfry]

he wouldn't like sit still but he would counter an attack

[glacial knot]

Yeah, I guess

[modest skiff]

yeah I can accept that

[grizzled fog]

He knows his actions have consequences. What zoro said was about taking the new world seriously, which he has. But taking it seriously isn’t gonna let him take on an emperor solo at this time lol. It’s not that simple

[modest skiff]

Yeah Luffy can't just "decide" to win every single fight

I think Zoro was trying to get rid of Luffy's arrogance, which Luffy himself admitted he had. Zoro did that, and Luffy is way less arrogant now

[glacial knot]

Remember when he said he'll never fall again?

Literally said that

I think it was in his encounter vs CP-0

It stuck with me, but man has he fallen

I just don't like it when I see him vulnerable

[modest skiff]

Luffy? I like seeing him vulnerable because it shows his growth

[grizzled fog]

You want him to always be winning? Never vulnerable? Never a chance of losing??

[glacial knot]

Nah, not that
I just want to see promises met, man

Like, I had expectations

[modest skiff]

IMO, Luffy could only ever keep that promise by never taking risks. He needs to take risks to accomplish his goals. He needs to be ambitious. Being ambitious always means more risk

[grizzled fog]

Expecting luffy to win every single battle without a low point where he gets beaten temporarily but bounces back? That’s ……..not gonna happen

[modest skiff]

It used to be that Luffy would walk into every single situation convinced he would 100% win no matter what. He's still very confident, but Zoro definitely helped Luffy grow in that way

[grizzled fog]

This is an emperor. It makes 0 sense for luffy to cruise his way through this.

[glacial knot]

Not saying he should cruise through, at all

He should take a beating, there is struggle, he might need help, sure

But not to the point where he could pretty much die if no one is around him

I'm thinking the struggle should be more about tactics and thinking the battle out rather than losing and getting up again

[modest skiff]

Personally, I like the dynamic that he needs his allies

[glacial knot]

Like I said, is there any chance we'll eventually see a Luffy that achieves the height of power, where he's as strong as the strongest pirates back then, and he could take on emperors one on one without having to rely on chances given to him?

[grizzled fog]

Sure, one day he’ll be able to go one on one with kaido without help

But not today. And it’s totally unrealistic to expect him to be there now

[modest skiff]

I don't want to make comparisons to other shows since that is frowned upon, but I can think of other times when a main character has been too strong

[tribal belfry]

I dont think oda will make him too strong

[glacial knot]

That's exactly what I'm doing though
I only bring this up because I'm comparing him to Shanks, White Beard, Kaido, Oden, etc

Now I realise that his story is special because he's going to become King without being born great like them. Those guys were almost struggle-less, they came out topnotch straight out of the box

Whereas Luffy fought hard

But like, we're also seeing that he's supposed to be greater than all of them, but so far they've had a better history

Rogers, at least, he had a similar start, no?

White Beard and the rest, sure, they're giants. Freaks

[modest skiff]

It is worth noting Luffy's age and to let that reflect what stage he is at in his journey

[glacial knot]

That is definitely worthy of mentioning, and it's the exact justification I've put for him, it's why I'm saying he's special

My only issue, and this is the weak side of my imagination/closed-mindedness, and a bit of stubbornness inside me, that I don't have others to compare with

I feel like I would be more satisfied if I knew Rogers got his ass kicked at his age trying to pick on Rock, or something like that

[grizzled fog]

Compare with kaido

[coarse hinge]

I want to see Kaido in dragon form swim in the sea

[grizzled fog]

Kaido has lost like 7 times lol.

[coarse hinge]

Losing himself or gang arrest vs. one person (Kaido)

[grizzled fog]

We don’t know. Point is he lost

[coarse hinge]

Using that Logic is like Usopp > Kaido

[glacial knot]

I completely concede that some issues are with me
Like, how I get upset at the thought that Rayleigh, part of the Pirate King's crew taught him how to be strong

Now, I assume that Rayleigh was taught on his own. Unless we learn that he's taught by someone before him, I'd be okay, but wouldn't it make Rayleigh and Roger's achievement so much more valuable and meaningful that they had to do it on their own, without help?

[glacial knot]

He has? Against who? Besides Garp & Rogers

[grizzled fog]

In his introduction it was stated

[glacial knot]

Oh, unless you mean when he was imprisoned

I assumed that was voluntary

He was tired of life, and wanted to die and whatever

[grizzled fog]

He was imprisoned more time than he was defeated. Not why it’d be voluntary lol

[coarse hinge]

Kaido letting himself being arrested to die but he can't die 🤪

[grizzled fog]

Finally found it

[coarse hinge]

Pre-Wano Kaido (Rocks era) will make a sense

Just count Luffy from the start he sails how many times he lose, arrested, in prison

[warm narwhal]

You’re using parallels as a copout. Roger & Oden story is far different than the strawhats & Yamato, if you want to make the exact parallels, you can easily say Yamato join arrivals crew (WB=Law) before she joins the strawhats for their final journey

[modest skiff]

Overall I think comparisons are used as evidence way too much

[tribal belfry]

he might've lost to those 2 multiple times

I'd expect him to lose to WB as well

[grizzled fog]

Probably whitebeard, likely rocks, maybe some other rocks member like shiki. Shanks. BM. That’s probably who.

[coarse hinge]

I don't think so for Shanks & BM

[grizzled fog]

I’d imagine every yonko has given him a defeat at some point. Mind you was probably when kaido was weaker, so it doesn’t mean they could necessarily take him now

[coarse hinge]

Shanks basically is a kid when pre-Wano Kaido happened. BM have no fight intent for Kaido.

[grizzled fog]

BM literally fought kaido the moment she met him in wano lol

[coarse hinge]

What the time is? Pre-Wano? Did he lose to her? That's curently.

[grizzled fog]

Point is they fought just by meeting each other. In their decades of pirating they definitely fought before

[coarse hinge]

Still bs tho

[cunning holly]

What is the Will of the D?

[waxen dust]

It’s a inferior version of the Will of P

[modest skiff]

I think Robin will study under Hitetsu (Kozuki) and get a buff of sorts by learning a lot about history from him as well as firming up her glyph reading abilities

[grizzled fog]

I mean I guess learning wano history is nice? But she can read glyphs just fine, hell probably better than he can

[modest skiff]

I think Wano has kept its history and knows all about the void century, so it is possible we finally learn about what the gist of the conflict was. So its possible he would be able to tell Robin about it. My impression has previously been that she can make out what is being conveyed but that she isn't "fluent" in the glyph language. If I have the wrong impression, never mind. But I think its possible Kozuki family are all not just versed in it but also fluent. I think it is an important custom for them. Especially if Joyboy is as important as we know, being able to read the glyphs with perfect accuracy would be important

And especially if Wano still has source material of the language other than the glyphs, its possible she could learn even more. I think Wano basically has the tools for fluency in the old language

[pure raven]

Robin's power up is reading better

[modest skiff]

I mean, isn't that actually the most appropriate power up for her? The crew is becoming more and more specialized

[pure raven]

that's so shit

[coarse hinge]

Plot twist: Robin is not the only one who can read Poneglyph but also Kaido

[modest skiff]

I mean she can still get physically stronger in a different way, I'm just saying knowledge of history is her ultimate goal

Its similar to Nami mapping more of the seas, its her other quest

[pure raven]

this is not a dnd campaign

[modest skiff]

dnd is just irl anime

[pure raven]

specializations happen yes, but to denote robin's level up to "READING" is very dumb

[modest skiff]

To be clear, I don't mean physically. She can have some other power up. But just like how Sanji is searching for all blue etc, Robin is trying to learn about the void century. She gets closer as the series progresses. I think it makes perfect sense for Wano/Kozuki to be a part of that growth for her

[warm narwhal]

Yamato?

[coarse hinge]

Hmm... Just wait & see. But I don't think Oden wrote the tutorial how to read Poneglyph on his note.

[pure raven]

Pudding ? Momo ? Luffy ?

[ancient vault]

its not even that easy

[warm narwhal]

But she did live in wano for 20 years, she could’ve found teaching books that was pass down the clans, for the next generation how to read the poneglyph

[coarse hinge]

She only read the history of Oden not how to read Poneglyph

[warm narwhal]

We don’t know that

[ancient vault]

how would he find them?

Everything major related to the kozuki that was stored in that castle was burned

We dont even know if they got books

[warm narwhal]

Living in wano for 20 years, you would likely fine many things

[ancient vault]

Maybe the knowledged was passed on just through teaching with words. No tutorial book

[coarse hinge]

She got the book tho. Now Momo hold that book.

[ancient vault]

yes 1

[ancient vault]

He couldnt leave onigashima?

[warm narwhal]

Oden father likely had books and stuff in his castle

[ancient vault]

.

[sleek condor]

the journal was washed up in a river

[ancient vault]

It was only said he found it in kuri so might be

[warm narwhal]

She was a witness to Oden‘s death, so he wasn’t in onigashima the whole time

[coarse hinge]

But it's fine. Yamato took that.

[ancient vault]

But for the rest of the 20 years

Same year oden died

[warm narwhal]

She still could’ve got the books

[sleek condor]

so momonosuke is supposed to be the same age as yamato

[ancient vault]

yeah

[ancient vault]

I dont understand why youre so focused on yamato being able to read poneglyphs. Whats the point in that

[sleek condor]

she can?

[warm narwhal]

And since he’s oden, it’s possible he can also read the poneglyph

[coarse hinge]

Lmao that reason 😂

[ancient vault]

oh that kind of reasoning lmao

[sleek condor]

ok I see your connection but that is a bit far fetched

[ancient vault]

Dont force parallels

[warm narwhal]

[ancient vault]

And yamato is not oden

[warm narwhal]

People want him to join the crew and claim him as the top three parallel to Roger since Oden had CoC. But I’m forcing parallels?

[coarse hinge]

It's okay being top fighter but read poneglyph just nah.

[warm narwhal]

Zoro already the fighter

[waxen dust]

Yamato can’t read poneglyphs

who’s the retard that said otherwise

[warm narwhal]

Yamato knowing to read the poneglyph would lead him to be a big player in another crew.

[waxen dust]

shut up

[ancient vault]

Stupid ppl think yamato is gonna join

[sleek seal]

do yall really think yamato is joining luffy

[coarse hinge]

Are you forgotting Robin?

[sleek seal]

for some reason i feel like luffy is going to refuse

[ancient vault]

Lets just throw away robin and her importance

[waxen dust]

Yamato gonna go with Luffy 100%

[ancient vault]

nope think this is clear bait by oda

[waxen dust]

Yamato’s role will be the Chronicler

[warm narwhal]

Robin for strawhats, Yamato for heart pirates

[coarse hinge]

Tama had more chance joining instead Yamato

[sleek seal]

exactly

[warm narwhal]

Only idiots believe Yamato joining the strawhats

She doesn’t have enough story to convince me otherwise

[waxen dust]

Yamato is joining because she’ll be the representative of the Kozuki

[coarse hinge]

Lmao the hater 😂

[warm narwhal]

That’s not a good, or enough reason

[ancient vault]

hes not a kozuki

[waxen dust]

Nah it’s not hate, it’s fact. She insisted on going and stated on numerous occasions she will. Oda giving lots of attention because that is the next member. She’ll be the one who will log down Luffy’s journey

[warm narwhal]

Tama top Candidate if she wasn’t so young

[waxen dust]

Inherited Will

[warm narwhal]

She was mostly babysitting most of the time we saw her. But she gets attention in the recent few chapters make him A major candidate?

[ancient vault]

Shes gonna get more attention from cp0 soon enough

[waxen dust]

Yes Tama gonna fight CP0 soon

[ancient vault]

I still dont really get that cause you were saying he has VoAT too right?

Gosh i constantly mix up the pronouns

[waxen dust]

I never said she has VOAT?

I just said she carries Oden’s will

[ancient vault]

I thought u said yesterday that by inheriting ones will you also gain like the VOAT cause its related or sth.

[warm narwhal]

[waxen dust]

No I didn’t say that

[ancient vault]

mixed it up then

[waxen dust]

I said specific people get VoAT because of xyz. Don’t want to say it here cause I’m still putting that theory together.

[coarse hinge]

[ancient vault]

ah right

[waxen dust]

But as I was saying, Yamato’s carrying Oden’s will of writing down the journey to Laugh Tale. Like she was inspired by Oden and his observations with Roger, she will do the same exact thing with observing Luffy since she believes he’s Joyboy and will find the One Piece. Therefore it makes sense that she will be adamant about joining his crew and witnessing/being part of the historic moment just like Oden once did.

That’s why she so influenced by Oden’s log book

[ancient vault]

But a logbook when he missed like 80% of luffys journey makes no sense

[left field]

As of now there’s not enough evidence to confirm whether or not Yamato is joining the crew

[coarse hinge]

Will the crews mad at first acknowledge Yamato will join?

[left field]

But the thing is, you can say this: Oden’s journal is essentially a diary of discoveries he made on his voyage, and obviously his story is incomplete because Roger and the crew were “too early” for One Piece, and then Oden got executed once he got to Wano. I know this sounds flawed, but perhaps Yamato and his desire to “be Kozuki Oden” could perhaps bring him onto the ship as a ways for “Oden to finish his story”

[warm narwhal]

That’s what I’m saying, why would he be the logbook keeper if she’s going to just join at the very near end of the story

[left field]

Yamato is not gonna be logging Luffy’s journey

[warm narwhal]

Nami is very well likely the logbook keeper

[left field]

If she joins the ship she’s gonna finish Oden’s journal not log Luffy’s adventure

[left field]

I would say Robin

[warm narwhal]

Oden Journey was done that’s why he went back to Wano

[left field]

Or Usopp so that he can say he was the real captain

[warm narwhal]

Nami i’ve been there since the very beginning, so she is the likely candidate

[waxen dust]

I like this as well actually

[warm narwhal]

I see Yamato as big ass nurse on law crew

[waxen dust]

Logbook has been Usopp/Nami job this whole time, there’s never been an official person doing that role; similar to helmsman

[bronze palm]

Agree

[coarse hinge]

When you realize Caribou actually becomes a crew

[left field]

Oden’s voyage was completed, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the journal is. His journal has the truth of the world in it, but it hasn’t yet been written down how the dawn of a new world happened

[waxen dust]

Like Jinbei officially taking the Helmsman role
Yamato will officially take the Chronicler role

[left field]

Idk

[ancient vault]

why have we never seen someone to it then?

[waxen dust]

I agree with this and she can actually do both books

[left field]

Jinbe has proven various times his potential as a helmsman before being declared as the helmsman of the ship

[waxen dust]

We have seen them do it. Last time I remember was Usopp writing down Inuarashi talking about being on WB & Roger’s crew in Zou

[left field]

Yamato hasn’t shown too much evidence of being a chronicler besides her obsession with being Kozuki Oden and having his journal with her at all times

[waxen dust]

she gave it to Momo

[left field]

True

[warm narwhal]

It seems more plausible that Yamato should stay in wano and become momos first scabbard

[waxen dust]

Actually it makes more sense for her to do Luffy’s book because it’s a whole new journey and for her to be accurate on her logging then she needs to have the perspectives of Yamato and not as Oden.

[grizzled fog]

It’d be kinda weird to start sudden out keeping a log of their journey this far into the grand line anyway

[left field]

The big difference is that Oden will have logged what the truth of the world is, and Yamato will log how it happened

[waxen dust]

They have been keeping log for quite sometime

[coarse hinge]

Caribou join so Straw Hats have Logia user

[warm narwhal]

That’s why I believe a logbook keeper is a shit position, especially at this point of the story.

[left field]

Ultimately though I think Yamato needs more backstory before confirming whether or not she’s gonna be on the ship

Especially a backstory with her and Kaido

[waxen dust]

She’s gonna get backstory in the “next” Act, if there is one

[warm narwhal]

1019 or after maybe

[night jewel]

Yamato doesn't need to keep the log of the crew's journey, all he needs to do is keep a log of his journey like oden, who also joined after most of roger's journey was over already

[waxen dust]

That’s a good argument too

[grizzled fog]

The Strawhats? No they haven’t

[waxen dust]

Yes they have, Brook literally reads it during Thriller Bark

[grizzled fog]

The crew’s log? What chapter

[night jewel]

I do remember some scenes like that, but i need to check if it wasn't anime only

[ancient vault]

OOnly I remember was usopp writing sth down

[honest gazelle]

amen

[waxen dust]

Nami & Usopp, and maybe Robin have been writing in the logbook

[night jewel]

yea, he wrote stuff in zou

[grizzled fog]

Anyone have a page or chapter?

[waxen dust]

yup when they were on the whale

[night jewel]

yea the scene you are talking about is anime only

not the zou one though

[warm narwhal]

So since the only position people want her to be part of has been taken, I don’t see her joining

[left field]

Yamato I’m not sure whether or not she’s gonna join, but I’m gonna get this out: Carrot is not joining

[waxen dust]

yea unfortunately, we need more female members

[grizzled fog]

She might

[visual merlin]

you wouldn't be the first to say that

[warm narwhal]

Carrot has the more and better set up to join then Yamato. It’s just she hasn’t been relevant in the past year

[waxen dust]

Hopefully, I want more females on the crew

I want both Yamato & Carrot, they both would make good additions

[ancient vault]

Tama

[waxen dust]

kill it with fire

[ancient vault]

shut up dont say anything carrot stans taking Ls all day

[left field]

The amount of females on the crew has absolutely nothing to do with why I think the straw hats will get a new female member

[warm narwhal]

I don’t Yamato joining, I would just like to know that she is not a spoiler, since she read the journal

[visual merlin]

yes

[ancient vault]

ur thinking about the pattern right?

[left field]

Yes, yes I am

[waxen dust]

the East Blue, Paradise, New World pattern

[ancient vault]

yeah

[waxen dust]

yeah and typically the female character is usually already on a different faction

[left field]

Zoro-Chopper-Jinbe: Monsters

Nami-Robin-???: Female

Usopp-Franky-???: Former leaders

Sanji-Brook-???: Down bad lmao

[waxen dust]

so that points to Yamato even more than Carrot

[visual merlin]

I mean it's pretty arbitrary for lack of a better word

[ancient vault]

thats not the pattern

[visual merlin]

the way monsters applies to jinbe or zoro, applies to pretty much anyone strong

[left field]

It’s not wrong though

[grizzled fog]

You can shove people into any pattern with that.
Zoro and jinbe monsters???? What?? Usopp Franky leaders? That applies to several other crew mates.

[ancient vault]

Well kind of is. But the safer one and more accepted one is just
Male Female Male Male

[visual merlin]

and there's not much to call this a pattern yet, there's only 2 sets of data

[warm narwhal]

Usopp former leader?

[ancient vault]

usopp pirates

[grizzled fog]

The morj pattern is dreadful I’m sorry

[visual merlin]

who ever says this

[waxen dust]

that’s what I go by

[visual merlin]

these aren't great patterns

[left field]

Nobody dares ignore that God Usopp was once a captain of the Usopp Pirates

[warm narwhal]

Will Yamato be the young auntie of the group?

[night jewel]

usopp is writing all this info i guess

[waxen dust]

I dont see another guy joining after Jinbe so it pretty much debunks that pattern in a way

[night jewel]

and the brook scene, as i said, was anime only

[left field]

The pattern I stated above I’ve seen numerous other people theorize and discuss, with some slight differences ofc

[warm narwhal]

Apprised of three kids

[ancient vault]

Well its there.
Next member is gonna be a female regardless so it doesnt really help the case in deciding who of the candidates
(This is really weird cause oda introduced yamato as a daughter so im thinking he will make yamato say hes a female, confusing lol)

[waxen dust]

I think she’s using Oden as a way to cope and have an identity instead of being forced one like Kaido wanted since he wants her to he Shogun.

[grizzled fog]

It’s honestly a terrible pattern if I’m being honest.
Calling zoro and jinbe monsters is dumb and seems like it applies to anyone strong.
Brook and jinbe are both also leaders, you can shove them into that category easily. Being female is such an arbitrary and random pattern lmfao, and then there’s perverts I guess

[night jewel]

jinbe and brook are former leaders too, but why would the pattern-ists acknowledge that

[visual merlin]

I still consider these bad "patterns" the male and female pattern has 2 sets of data, not much to go off, and the one where we lists mOnsteRs, feMALeS, etc not only has just 2 sets but also has arbitrary similarities

[ancient vault]

Kaido is sexist and doesnt think a female can be in position of power (BM doesnt count)

[visual merlin]

that others in the crew could fit into too

[grizzled fog]

Zoro and jinbe being monsters is weird lol. Jinbe because he’s a fishman?????? Zoro because stronk?????

[warm narwhal]

Wasnt Robin considered a co-leader?

[grizzled fog]

Jinbe and brook are actually more experienced leaders than Usopp at least

[ancient vault]

Laww its gonna be 3. Next only options are tama, carrot and yamato. All female (i dont mean to misuse pronouns ) I mean the female male one is pretty clear tbh. I get the monster ones tho

[waxen dust]

All I know is Luffy said at least 10 crew members, so I hope this implies he was originally gonna offer Carrot the spot and then Yamato manages to force her way on as well

[night jewel]

Franky and Brook are actual monsters, not zoro or jinbe

[left field]

Brook being a leader, I’m not gonna deny you’re right there. Calling Zoro a monster may be dumb because he’s human, but what about his inner ashura? Zoro’s inner demons we’ve seen to be much more menacing than the rest of the crew. And saying Jinbe isn’t a monster is plain dumb. He and chopper have both dealt with oppression from the rest of the world just because of what they look like, just because they were “monsters”

[visual merlin]

this is the problem

[night jewel]

So why are you acting like the oppressors then????? jinbe is literally not a monster

[visual merlin]

"stronk so monster"

[ancient vault]

but then u coudl call sanji a monster too. mans making fire or sth

[visual merlin]

sanji is a monster too

brook and jinbe both leaders

[ancient vault]

racist mfs disagree

[warm narwhal]

Are you saying Monster as literal, or a strength wise?

[visual merlin]

usopp is pretty pervy

[grizzled fog]

Zoro monster cuz stronk with demon 😈

[visual merlin]

only one where you can't fit other strawhats in is female

[waxen dust]

I think people reading too much into this pattern theory

[visual merlin]

and that's just like

[left field]

Literal

[night jewel]

Nami can be as monstrous as anyone else too

[visual merlin]

really?

[night jewel]

Jinbe is not a literal monster then, he is a fishman.

[visual merlin]

it cannot be literal

[ancient vault]

in a fishman racist's eyes tho 😳

[visual merlin]

if it was literal, it'd be Brook and Chopper

[waxen dust]

Fishmen are looked as monsters in society’s eyes

[visual merlin]

they aren't though

neither is a strong human (zoro)

[left field]

I’m only calling them monsters in the eyes of oppressive people in the OP universe

[night jewel]

but fuck society, we know what fishmen are literally

[ancient vault]

also anyone with a DF

[waxen dust]

I agree they aren’t, they’re just being outcasted

[visual merlin]

why are we looking from those eyes

[coarse hinge]

Fishman actually the origin living on One Piece earth

[left field]

They aren’t actually monsters

[visual merlin]

and who of those people see zoro as a literal monster

[night jewel]

so they aren't literally monsters then?

[waxen dust]

Zoro is just an idiot with brute strength

[left field]

My bad, Ik I just contradicted myself there but yes, they aren’t actually monsters. Again, I was only calling them that based on the perspective of oppressive people like the Celestial Dragons, Drum Kingdom (at first), etc

[grizzled fog]

Chopper was actually referred to as a monster multiple times in drum island, it was kind of emphasized. So that’s kind of the only part I agree with lmao

[visual merlin]

why are you doing that

do the celestial dragons know usopp was a former leader too

[left field]

That’s not the point

[visual merlin]

I know, Im asking you why you are doing that

[night jewel]

well, chopper acknowledges himself as a monster actually, so he is a literal monster

[waxen dust]

Usopp is a monster as well just look at his nose

[night jewel]

jinbe is not gonna agree with his oppressors

[visual merlin]

why would you look from that perspective

why do you only do it for that category?

if you're looking from that perspective, wouldn't brook count as a monster?

[left field]

If there is a pattern for first crew member of East Blue, first of Paradise, and First of New world, what is it that conncects those three members: Zoro, Chopper and Jinbe.

[night jewel]

why are you looking for a pattern though?

[visual merlin]

this is the problem, it's not an actual pattern

[warm narwhal]

Why this reminds me of that bullshit mr. moij new stawhat theory

[night jewel]

can't you just acknowledge that they don't HAVE to all fall into a strict category?

[grizzled fog]

Chopper is a literal monster.
Jinbe and zoro are part of the monster trio

[waxen dust]

They all look up to Luffy lol

[left field]

The whole point of theorizing is that it’s not supposed to be absolutely correct

[visual merlin]

that's not the point of theorizing, and the concept of theorizing certainly did not make us assume there is any pattern

[left field]

Of course I’m probably wrong about the fact that there’s a pattern for crew members joining, there probably isn’t

[night jewel]

and debunking a theory is part of that point of "theorizing"

[visual merlin]

great

[sour snow]

Final fight is God Usopp Vs God Buggy

[night jewel]

given the actual facts from the series, your theory gets debunked very quickly

[waxen dust]

On God Valley

[night jewel]

keep things serious here

[left field]

And I accept that, as you guys theorized well to do that

[ancient vault]

Where did we find the poneglyphs in wano? Was it in the flower capital

[waxen dust]

1 in the flower capital and 1 in Onigashima
But none are red

[left field]

When someone makes a theory they should at least make an effort to stick up for it a little bit before accepting that it isn’t valid, y’know?

[night jewel]

gotcha

[ancient vault]

well the thing is we all already know that pattern and it has been discussed here dozens of times

[left field]

Don’t remember

[visual merlin]

there's nothing wrong with defending a theory if there's stuff to defend with

[night jewel]

flower capital, specifically orochi's castle

[ancient vault]

only 1 in the capital? I thought 2

[night jewel]

only 1

[ancient vault]

Where did orochi built his castle? Or was it the old kozuki castle?

[night jewel]

pretty sure it was the old castle

as it had sukiyaki's belongings (like his kokeshi's dolls ) righ there

[waxen dust]

2 overall in the arc so far, we will have the third be the Road Pone whenever we have to fight Tama for it

[sour snow]

I believe the fourth poneglyfh has the shanks or the Blackbeard

[ancient vault]

why tama lol

[waxen dust]

It’s likely on Lodestar

[waxen dust]

Because fuck her that’s why

[left field]

Where are the four road poneglyphs

[grizzled fog]

….fight tama for the poneglyph?

[left field]

Ik there was one on Zou and one on BM’s island

[pure raven]

Kaido has one though where that is is unknown

[waxen dust]

-Zou
-WCI
-Onigashima/Wano
-Unknown (originally on FMI)

[left field]

Did you say this wrong btw?

[waxen dust]

No I am 100% sure we need to kill Tama

[tawny smelt]

Sheesh poor tama

[coarse hinge]

The hater is real 💯

[pure raven]

how you gonna hate tama but not momo

[warm narwhal]

That easy, tama is actually useful

[opal sparrow]

Why everyone hating on momo ?

[sage pond]

1st one, previously on fishMan Island, currently in an unknown location

2nd one in zou, robin definitely read it and analysed it already

3rd one in Whole cake island, brook got a copy of it

4th one is supposedly in wano

[bronze palm]

The 4th one is in flower capital and the 5th one is in onigashima

[sage pond]

we aren't aware of any red poneglyphs in wano currently tho, there is only a normal poneglyph which brook saw when he was in his ghost form searching through storage rooms

but robin concluded that the red one is on onigashima, so its not confirmed

[bronze palm]

There’s also a blue one discovered by Law in onigashima

That’s why I said the 5th one is in onigashima, the blue one is the one we’ve known so far

[cerulean coyote]

Who said was on fmi?

[sage pond]

when roger was in fmi

[sage pond]

oh yaa i remember now, so until now in wano we got 2 blue poneglyphs and 1 red one supposedly on onigashima as robin said

[bold glacier]

Remember how everyone at marineford thought that shanks fought kaido to stop him going to marineford? All that kaido ever wanted was a good fight, a good death. What if Shanks didn't fight kaido, what if he told him about Joy Boy, what Roger believed, that in 2 years, someone with the will of JoyBoy will come to stop him

[visual merlin]

I could buy that I suppose, but there'd need to be a good reason for why Kaido believed him so much

[pure raven]

Shanks wasn't actually there on laugh tale

[visual merlin]

ah, yea that's true as well, an explanation for why shanks knows joyboy

[bold glacier]

I'm sure rayleigh or roger told him something about Laugh Tale

[pure raven]

Shanks is too much of an unknown variable for us to say anything

[sand sail]

They learned about Joyboy before they got to Laugh Tale

Laugh Tale is where you bring everything you learn together and, presumably, get some extra

But they would've had the full history before going there, potentially, if they actually got all of the Rio glyphs

[bold glacier]

There's no reason that shanks would give luffy his strawhat

[modest skiff]

I thought they specifically got all the rio glyphs

[bold glacier]

Shanks Knows, maybe not the full story

Imagine Kaido saying

[visual merlin]

but yea, I could buy Kaido leaving if he is convinced joyboy will show up some day

[bold glacier]

Shanks was right, you're the fight that shanks promised

[cerulean coyote]

Well Shanks asked Roger questions after laugh tale and cried, then he definitely knows something...

[shrewd dune]

guys will Sanji use his germa armor vs Queen?

[shell kettle]

Yes

[pure raven]

I'd be shocked if he didn't

I will say I'm quite intrigued with how Oda's been writing the sort of "upgrade" each character has been getting

[trim flicker]

Since kaido wants yamato to be shogun, i kinda think he plans on leaving wano kinda soon, but doesnt want anyone to take over it while hes busy taking on the WG. So clearly he estimates her as being fairly strong, supported by him going hybrid immediately

[sand sail]

Oh absolutely, she's more than proven she's ridiculously strong. And Kaido does want to leave soon, that was his whole plan with Big Mom it seemed, build some stuff up then go on more and more raids

I wanna say he mentions raiding more with his pirates when he announces his plans too

[tribal belfry]

def

[craggy pumice]

yeah and Queen will remember Judge and Germa

[tribal belfry]

we gonna get a queen backstory

also Sanji mentioned Usopp and Franky redesigning his raid suit

[craggy pumice]

inb4 Vegapunk, Judge and Queen were together on the MIT

[craggy pumice]

Still waiting for some new abilities but the designs seems to be the same

[tribal belfry]

invisability ofc, and maybe enhanced speed

[craggy pumice]

He already has invisibility

[tribal belfry]

I can only see enhanced speed

[grizzled fog]

Invisibility, durability, speed and power are the only known abilities of it. I kind doubt we’ll get anything more

[tribal belfry]

dyu think his raid suit is enough to match Kizaru ( as many ppl think Sanji will 1 v 1 Kizaru eventually)

[grizzled fog]

Currently? Obviously not

But Sanji is obviously gonna get stronger, so eventually yeah I think he can take kizaru

But the raid suit itself isn’t enough no. There’s a lot more to it than that

[obtuse shore]

I watched a video about nuclear power plants and noticed some eerie similarities

This is the video https://youtu.be/J5Or4zrU1ZM

I wonder if the design was inspired by nuclear power plants

[scenic thicket]

thts a rlly cool observation!

also who would win? bepo v perona. bc bepos has tht same negative outlook like usopp

[obtuse shore]

And when Sugar had a blackout (LITERALLY!) everything was over, the whole operation that was built during many years and had worked so far without any problems went up in the air, just like a nuclear power plant

From one critical malfunction that nobody thought was possible

[grizzled fog]

It’s not that nobody thought it was possible really, they knew Sugar was vulnerable even, that’s why they had an executive guard her constantly

[scenic thicket]

has buggy found captain johns treasure?

[weary cliff]

Not that we've seen

[loud steeple]

anyone know who’s strawhat is in Imus vault or any theories on it?

[visual merlin]

popular theory is it was Joyboy's

[rapid oar]

ask him

[loud steeple]

i’ve heard one about the Ds being giant and joyboy being a D so it belonged to him

[rapid oar]

jaguar d saul was a giant

[loud steeple]

i think he’s the one who told luffy and his crew about them being giants

[rapid oar]

he was the one in robins backstory

[loud steeple]

also heard a bunch of theories on shanks being rocks son

[rapid oar]

what would happen if kaido had a rumble ball and went monster point

[loud steeple]

yea the lion looking dude

[rapid oar]

he died in the backstory tho

[loud steeple]

ik im saying that’s the dude that said that some Ds were giants

[rigid wadi]

Who do you think will join SH Grand Fleet after Wano?

[visual plinth]

Carrot and some of the minks in the grand fleet and Yamato as a SH would be my guess. We might get some beast pirates for grand fleet too that's a possibility

[rigid wadi]

Maybe Marco gets to join Fleet too

And like 5-10K beast soldiers

[pseudo citrus]

didn't marco say that he was done being a pirate, just wanted to help one last time?

[midnight pendant]

wth??when did this happen

[dense wing]

I don’t believe we consider Monsters canon

Just the character Ryuma

[wild veldt]

It's not

Just Ryuma

The wiki is wrong

[tired vector]

what are yall's theories on whats to come regarding the anime coming so close to the manga?
is another hiatus coming?
Feel like the fight with kaido is gonna get dragged ass hell, like its not even finished in the manga and they are already coming close to that point

[proper juniper]

The fights will get incredibly dragged out in the anime in terms of screen time. I mean just the fight between Luffy and Katakuri was like 50 minutes spanning however many episodes. I think this will allow for the manga to get out in front of the anime

[daring flame]

I wish they just used the cover stories as fillers if they lacked content

[tired vector]

I was thinking exactly this
A hiatus wouldn't be that bad either to be honest. I think the Covid hiatus is what allowed them to develop Wano in such an amazing way this far

[daring flame]

Or they could fill in some of the blanks, because the manga has been going at such a fast pace

Like they could flesh out fights more or add bits of story here and there that wasnt included in the manga (but would still be canon from oda)

[daring flame]

It would be a shame if the episodes dragged on for too long, like what happened in some parts of WCI and Dressrosa. Just episodes of nothing happening

[tired vector]

This
It also looks like the manga is reaching the climax of this arc, so maybe they won't need to add a lot more content, instead just filler between this and the next arc
Or maybe Act 4 is possible, who knows

[pure raven]

Is the chapter out yet?

[grizzled fog]

It’s break week

[errant nova]

Aka breakin my heart week

[high narwhal]

Wano is far from over trust me

We haven't even got the backstory yet of kaido and even yamato

[visual plinth]

my best guess is 30-40 chapters more

[high narwhal]

Nah atleast 50–60 chapters

[pure raven]

It’s gonna take almost a year for them to get to Kaido vs Luffy and we’re not even on the next fight between them yet when they go all out. Anime has a long way to go and will get dragged out hella hard but hopefully some canon filler spices it up. By then Wano should be over for us manga readers maybe in 1 1/2 years

or less

[visual plinth]

oda and his editors have said how the story will be somewhat ending in 5 years if we still have 50-60 chapters that's what like almost 2 years more of wano and 3 years for rest of the arcs? I don't see it happening and considering how the recent chapters have been pacing wise I can't see us having more then 40 chapters more of wano max

[high narwhal]

Don't believe everything they say man

The story will go on for atleast 7–8 years

[pure raven]

If we are getting anime fight scene btw kaido and luffy they better show more then manga( before luffy falls )

[ancient vault]

they probably will even though it will kind of ruin what oda is foing for lol

[alpine rampart]

I wonder why Kaido's age is never displayed

Maybe he is not humab

[visual plinth]

lol even if we ignore that statement i highly doubt we have 50 more chapters of wano like i said we are in the end game of the arc

[pure raven]

Y’all think Oda gives Toei really really rough story boards for the Director/animators ?

of the anime

[exotic echo]

I don't think so, no. best storyboard they're getting from him is likely just the manga

[teal bay]

its probably like 35-40 chapters approx. more. the end is near Yamato is facing Kaido and take [3-5 chapters] for their fight and [5-7 chapter] flashback. then we see the fights b/w alliance and beast pirates officers(tobiroppo and calamities) [15 chapters] and then we get to the luffy & kaido [5-8 chapters] and then some extra few chapters what i think

[obtuse shore]

Yes and no. Obviously they didn't think that it would actually happen because the whole operation was based around that not happening. It's just like nuclear power plants, they are operated with the very heavy assumption that nothing will happen, because the destruction that would be caused if something happened would be immense.

[sage pond]

we still got many side fights that arent done yet tho

[teal bay]

yeah i mean i did say alliance figts

[sage pond]

oh ya, i misread it

[sage pond]

him, yamato and black maria seem to be from one race, as they got horns, but i think its a sub-human species like the fish-man tribe

[visual plinth]

horns aren't special we've seen multiple ppl with horns before. Oda even answered this question in an SBS

[unkempt talon]

Luffy will return just like he beat crocodile

[latent totem]

Am I the only one who think that yamato won't join the straw hats even though she said it last chapter ?
Her development with straw hats is little to none and yet her development with momo is a lot

[weary cliff]

It's all up in the air, but I'm leaning towards yes. Even though it's been sort of rushed. We'll have to wait and see how sappy his proper flashback is before calling it, though

[visual plinth]

I can see it going either way but i am leaning more towards him joining the crew i just hope his backstory is well done he's such a late introduction to the arc and so far has been great but I'm yet to have the emotional attachment to the character which I'm hoping to get when we get the Kaido/Yamato flashback and also what kind of role he's gonna play moving ahead in the story

[obtuse shore]

Sub-human is a slur

[weary cliff]

Another key thing will be seeing his interactions with other SHs during the raid. I'd like to have some interesting dynamics set up that we can build on going forward if Yamato will be nakama

[limpid sequoia]

It's gonna be Luffy coming back and watching Yamato fall, then we cut to epic one liner and Luffy in a pose touching his straw hat, then cut to Kaido flashback

[obtuse shore]

I feel like there is a subplot in Wano of expectations, developing and accepting your own identity with Momo and Yamato. Both of them need to learn that they can't be Oden.

[limpid sequoia]

I mean yeah, that's why they are already being paralleled and are the same age, we just have to see it from their POVs

[obtuse shore]

I can see Yamato staying back as the new shogun of Wano and Momo joining, it would be a reversal of what they were planning to do when they realise what they actually need to do. But it could go the other way too. But it would make more sense for the person to join who has been with us for several arcs now instead of such a late addition.

Also if Momo stays in Wano he's guaranteed to return soon anyway because he's a big endgame player so it feels wrong to ditch him in Wano for 1-2 arcs and then bring him back again, don't you think?

Momo is starting to realise what he needs to do and I doubt it's "staying in Wano as the shogun"

[rigid wadi]

Literally is the contrary of Yamato's desires, and she won't want that lmao

[visual plinth]

The theme of Identities has been very prevalent in this arc not just with momo and Yamato in general as well with Denjiro being kyoshiro, Hiyori assuming the identity of Komurosaki to name a few I'm really excited to see where it all goes

[obtuse shore]

Yamato is confused af, did you read what I said about expectations and growing into your role? You can believe that that's not what's gonna happen but you can't deny the possibility and that the groundwork is there.

[limpid sequoia]

you brought up the theme of identities, and that they can't be Oden then u think Yamato will become Shogun when she has no reason to. If anything it is more evidence for Momo to do what his father didn't and stay and become shogun to lead his people.

[obtuse shore]

Once Kaido falls it's entirely possible that Yamato realises out of their own free will that it might be for the best if they stay back as the shogun until Momo returns from his cruise with the straw hats. And once Momo is back Yamato can still set out to the sea. Wano will have a new leader (shogun) after the arc, who else could it be? Also, Momo is still a child. (pls don't say that Bonnie will age him up lolll it doesn't change his mental age anyway)

Obviously anything can happen, these are theories, I don't see why you dismiss it though when the groundwork and the themes of the story definitely allow for it

There is also the theme of Wano going to a ruin because Oden selfishly set out to the sea too early instead of accepting responsibility as the shogun so that ties into my view

So Yamato can do now what Oden didn't do

[autumn vapor]

I think this time the one to make the choice to choose Wano instead of adventure would be Momo, unlike Oden who chose to go with the Roger Pirates.

[obtuse shore]

It's possible but he's a kid and he's learning about his responsibilities for the dawn of the world to occur so the story seems to be going in a different direction

And Yamato = Oden is written so that "Momo but not actually Momo" can do that

And Yamato is absolutely not ignorant of Momo's role

[tribal belfry]

dyu guys think it's possible that Law could be the next strawhat?

[obtuse shore]

You are trolling right? This channel is for serious theory discussion only

[tired osprey]

No, he has his own loyal crew and they all love each other.

[tribal belfry]

I saw a pretty interesting theory about it the other day

I think this was it: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/kho0d7/an_essay_on_why_trafalgar_law_will_be_the_next/

I mean I still doubt he'll join, but he'd prolly be my favorite candidate

[tired osprey]

skimmed through it, and it doesnt seem like it even address Law's own crew?

[obtuse shore]

They are allies. There is no reason for Law to officially join the crew as a "straw hat". They can stay allied/friends beyond wano. And I do believe the Law is a part of Sword theory and see his place there.

[white tartan]

laws crew sorta sucks imo they either need a buff or he needs a new crew

[tired osprey]

imagine Luffy telling his own crew they suck and he's gonna find another crew

[white tartan]

lol true imagine

[tired osprey]

if you think its a viable excuse to dump your own crew because of strength, then its time for a reread!

[white tartan]

well not rly dump but more like recruit more members

also not every pirate crew has a bond as strong as luffys

maybe law could ask hawkins to join him after the war or something idk

[tired osprey]

then what about hawkins crew?

[white tartan]

they follow hawkins or something

i mean does hawkins crew rly even like him? doesnt he use them to take damage for him?

[autumn vapor]

Law isn't that kinda guy imo

Who recruits people based on their strengths?

[white tartan]

yeah facts

i mean im rly just spit balling here i have no clue

[autumn vapor]

Atleast he won't be that kinda guy after talking with Sengoku about Corazon?

"Don't think of reasons for someone's love"

[white tartan]

yo so i got a quick question, do people think of law as a rival to luffy like kidd is?

[autumn vapor]

Nah. Law has a separate goal from luffy. Hence they aren't considered rivals.

[obtuse shore]

Mr. Morj has a theory that several supernovas might join Kidd's crew. It sounds crazy but not completely impossible.

[waxen dust]

Everyone thought of this

[tribal belfry]

I rlly doubt that

[autumn vapor]

Nah

[white tartan]

lmao im on board with what morj thinks most of the time

[tribal belfry]

Kidd will never accept Apoo
Hawkins is possible but I think he has a higher chance of join Law
Bege wouldn't join anyone
X-drake is part of world gov so he wont join
Bonney and Urogue are who knows where

[obtuse shore]

https://youtu.be/SfM5IAHY7Mo

This is the theory video

[tribal belfry]

ye I saw it

[waxen dust]

Killer won’t die, it would’ve happened by now. He’s Zoro’s rival so it would be pointless for Oda to set that up to only kill him off

[tribal belfry]

wouldn´´t call him zoro´s rival but he wont die

[autumn vapor]

Nah zoro beat him with 2 sword style

[tribal belfry]

I think hawkins and apoo will join Law after the raid. Both of those supernovas lost their crew right?

[waxen dust]

Yea, but Killer wasn’t using his regular blades and Zoro beat him using 3 swords with the scythe. So it wasn’t a full out fight, although I don’t see them having a 1v1 ever again

[tribal belfry]

I mean it still showed the clear power differenc ebetween the two

[waxen dust]

I wouldn’t mind Hawkins, but Apoo is useless. Hawkins would mesh nicely with Law and his crew. Heart Pirates needs a buff

[tribal belfry]

Apoo has been seen to tank an attack from Luffy, Kidd, and Killer. I think he's pretty strong maybe just a tad bit weaker than hawkins

[visual merlin]

not luffy or killer

drake and zoro yes

[tribal belfry]

?

[white tartan]

for what?

[visual merlin]

apoo never got hit by luffy or killer

[tribal belfry]

ohh ok

I'd still say he's decently powerful tho

he caused quite a ruckus at the start of the raid

[waxen dust]

Apoo doesn’t seem trustworthy so I don’t see him being accepted to any crews

[tribal belfry]

law doesn't need trust when he can hold their hearts ransom

I think it'd be funny if Kidd beat up Apoo and made him join his crew as teh choreboy or smtn

[visual merlin]

why would he want you on his crew if he needs to take your heart to feel safe lol

[waxen dust]

^

[tribal belfry]

lmao thats true

extra firepower ig? kinda feel bad for apoo he's kinda screwed after wano

[visual merlin]

good

[waxen dust]

Hawkins is I can buy seeing join Law, since it seems like he’ll make a face turn soon. But Apoo has no redeeming values or been suggested of gaining any time soon

[visual merlin]

he can die or get captured

[tribal belfry]

idt any supernovas will die till the war

[visual merlin]

you think every supernova will be in the final war?

[waxen dust]

no, I don’t think Law will make it by the end

[pure raven]

Of course not
Apoo is messing the theory

[obtuse shore]

Well, Apoo, Drake and Hawkins joined Kaido. Nothing is impossible there. I'm not saying that I'm on board with Morj but allegiance shifts are definitely possible

[waxen dust]

I can see Drake dying in this arc

[obtuse shore]

They already showed that they can be "conquered"

[visual merlin]

drake probably goes back to marines

[hollow grotto]

Drake still has a lot of story regarding SWORD to be explored, I'm sure he won't die here

[visual merlin]

apoo will be on his own if he doesn't get captured or die

hawkins may be able to get in with law or someone else though, depending on how things go

[obtuse shore]

Conquering and leadership are also heavy themes of the arc so it ending with some supernovas joining the winners doesn't seem farfetched

[pure raven]

Drake was leaving, and hawkins has the characteristic of turning his back on easily if "my card say that's XX%" like he has done with kaido
Apoo is with kaido for a long time ago and seem to be have a minimum of loyalti for kaido

[waxen dust]

I can see Drake making a report to Coby and SWORD, but then taken out by CP0

[visual merlin]

yea, hawkins is really the only candidate though

I hope he joins law somehow

[waxen dust]

Same

[pure raven]

Me too

[waxen dust]

Heart Pirates need a buff

[pure raven]

I support from a long time the theory of "new 9 shadows : old era vs New generation", it was relevant on paper, but apoo mess this theory
At least it mean 6 supernovars + hawkins + Yamato and it stop there

So basically it will not do it for now

[obtuse shore]

Enel's five people standing was kinda random and didn't even include Luffy, I see something similar happening, it will be a surprising group of nine people

[autumn vapor]

Bepo would cry

[visual merlin]

he'll be fine

[pure raven]

Waiting Bepo Sulong to revenge his brother 🦄

[visual merlin]

it'll be like usopp and franky

[pure raven]

?

[visual merlin]

bepo and hawkins

franky family beat up usopp before, hawkins imprisoned bepo before

[pure raven]

Oh yeah, of course, at this point of the manga i didn't really expect a focus on someone like Bepo, imagine big mom Vs bepo 🦄
Bepo Vs Jack during 5 days, remember

Do we have an explaination for that whale ? A theory ?

[tribal belfry]

u think he's gonna die?

[pure raven]

Everyone think it's possible since his life can make someone immortal

[tribal belfry]

yea

I was thinking he might use it on Luffy, since it's possible that his gears are draining more of his life away

[tribal belfry]

eternal youth, not immortal

you can still die after the surgery

just won't feel effects of time or age on the body

[pure raven]

Yeah, luffy has enough life to conclude the manga i think, maybe he will die as roger but not really relevant from oda to do that i think

[tribal belfry]

cant rlly see Law using it on anyone but luffy tbh

[whole jewel]

Did we ever get a shot of kaido's poneglyph?

[tribal belfry]

i dont think so

[pure raven]

Yep Yep, I know the law's power, sorry if i used a wrong word, was more like "not invncible"

[whole jewel]

I'm just curious as to where it is

ik it's in onigashima but we haven't seen it yet

[tribal belfry]

sure np, I made a reddit post abt it before and ppl didnt realize his power and flamed me lol

[pure raven]

Still the theory of Im, five elders, bonney, and the immortality of law which is so common it will surely happen something like it

[tribal belfry]

what's that thoery

[pure raven]

Yeah, it happen all the time when you remember people law a that power , i know haha

[pure raven]

Not a "clear" one, just like "Im si king since 800YA because he is immortal" or "five elders want to be young again that's why Bonney were hunting and escaped from them"

You know, something like that, and the toki toki no mi didn't really help

[tribal belfry]

hmm ok. I've heard smtn similar where the elders and Im used the Op Op fruit to gain immortality

hmm so if Bonney can control her age she is practially "immortal" too right?

[pure raven]

More a theory based on "common scenario of humanity : search of immortality" more than based on manga elements

[pure raven]

Good question, we don't know, but oda give her an age also
But the age of her "main" form ? We don't know

[warm hollow]

Maybe she can only change it temporarily or something. Like she naturally ages but only her appearance changes to a different age and she would still die when her natural death comes.

[little hazel]

is sabo ded

[stable compass]

luffys' gear 5th will be like gear 4th but instead of buso haki its hao haki that envelopes his body

[onyx badger]

lame

[tribal belfry]

nah

[little hazel]

[tribal belfry]

yea gear 5 will have smtn to do with his skin since every gear uses a part of his body

[warm hollow]

He pumps air directly to his nervous system to increase nureon speed and activates ultra instinct

[zinc iris]

brain baloon

[modest skiff]

Yeah if BB is extremely annoying to fight against because he just creates voids/holes wherever you attack, perhaps Luffy uses gear 3 to make his brain enormous such that he can read every possible hint of strategy/instinct from BB, the world turns into the matrix, BB get bonked

[modest skiff]

That is amazingly stupid and I love it

[waxen dust]

Luffy activates his Talk No Jutsu!

[flat panther]

This was a good read, I think lost of us think this anyways but nice anyway
https://twitter.com/TypicalJAnt/status/1405878847942414338?s=19

(Joe 'Constantino') Three Skull Theories (@TypicalJAnt)

Joyboy and the Prophecy: Analysis / Thread:

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Twitter · Jun 18, 2021, 1:23 PM

[hollow walrus]

this is canon in my heart

[pure raven]

reading it

alright fuck off this is something i didn't notice

[amber oar]

There's a hole in the thread and that is Kozaburo arriving to the East Blue >50 years in the past, founding a town and fathering Koshiro. Franky was born in the South Blue

[rigid wadi]

Honestly OP youtubers just invent whatever non-sense theory to get a new video. Just saw one about Nami being a Celestial Dragon xD What do these people smoke? Hahahaha

[thick sky]

And they have extremely exaggerated titles and thumbnails

[proud tree]

the whale is laboons grand grand grand dad

[hollow walrus]

best OP youtuber for me is still tekking ngl

[pure raven]

I like ohara but that's more character analaysis and writing analysis and occasional cultural analysis than actual plot analysis

[waxen dust]

I’m curious to know why people think Wano is a turtle? Where has there been any clues suggesting that notion?

[weak arrow]

1. Some mythology regarding firebird (Marco), dragon (Kaido), white tiger (presumably Yamato) and a turtle

The turtle is unaccounted for

[craggy pumice]

an island actually being a giant turtle is a common trope in stories (not gonna say which ones )

[waxen dust]

But I assume that’s regarding Devil Fruits, so is the island on the back of a Devil Fruit user?

[weak arrow]

Momo seemingly has a role only he can play, and if it was something that has to do with communicating (like how he’s the only one who can with Zunisha), being able to do something with this island turtle wouldn’t be too odd. Also there’s mythology of elephants climbing a turtle

[craggy pumice]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Turtle

[reef grotto]

uhm, wano does kinda look like the shell of a turtle from above

[weak arrow]

Also that was b4 we knew that voice momo heard was Luffy

[reef grotto]

but that wouldn't explain the waterfalls

[kindred hollow]

Saw this a week ago I forgot who posted it

[craggy pumice]

weird turtle shell but why not

[reef grotto]

there is also another story about a pheasant, a monkey and a dog heping a warrior

so if yamato turns out to be a dog that's it

[pseudo citrus]

the phoenix is supposed to be vermillion, so it isn't really a good match for marco

[pure raven]

that was also what Oda used to describe the first three admirals

Akainu - Red dog
Aokiji- Blue Pheasant
Kizaru- Yellow Monkey

Ohara made a video about that

[reef grotto]

in the story they beat a dragon right

he could use the reference twice

[pure raven]

no idea; I haven't paid much attention to the story of momotaro

[weary cliff]

I think Momotaro beat Ogres, which Kaido certainly resembles

[versed hamlet]

momotaro beat oni's at an island called onigashima

[rugged flower]

Rocks D. Xebec is the final villain of Wano because sengoku said he died but there was no trail left of him meaning that Luffy will have to beat Rocks D. Xebec after kaido and big mom

[weary cliff]

What's he been doing just chilling if he's in any shape to be a threat to Luffy?

[queen arrow]

that's completely backwards logic

[waxen dust]

Only way Xebec makes an appearance at any point is if Tama summons him with her satanic rituals

[weak arrow]

First wait for a way to beat big mom let alone xebec lmao

[hollow jolt]

I disagree
It'll probably be CP-0

[opal sparrow]

Everyday I thank ODA for writing the story

[amber oar]

who do you think that writes this, Kishimoto

[quaint relic]

Maybe, we don't know

But rocks is long dead lmao 😂

There's now way that he is alive since whitebeard, kaido, big mom are all "old"

[trim flicker]

Time for luffy to talk kaido into helping him take on the WG

[quaint relic]

That was Luffy, wtf

[limpid sequoia]

but what about black zetsu combining with him

[amber oar]

ok, let's not

[trim flicker]

I mean theres always a former user of the Op Op to consider

[quaint relic]

Didn't Toki travel 800 years into the future ?

For the upcoming battle at Wano

[light pond]

She didnt know about that battle until she met oden but she did travel to the future to find something

[quaint relic]

I wonder what 🤔

[light pond]

What i wonder is why someone from amatsuki clan was outside of wano in the past 800 years? And she seems not to be born from wano

[quaint relic]

Yeah, another mystery

If ODA keeps writing mysteries, I'll drop OP

Kidding

[rapid oar]

i hope all the scabbards die

[little kelp]

do we already know who the lurking legend is?

[pure raven]

lurking legend? @little kelp

[queen arrow]

it's Big Mom and Kaido's alliance

[rigid wadi]

Nah, just Kiku will die, she said her last words scene. But Kinemon did not. Oda being rude with all the simps

[pure raven]

And this

[pure raven]

What about ashura

[glacial knot]

Speaking of Rocks, surely he'd be worth at least 5b, right?

I don't suppose his bounty would be revealed, but I feel like he can't be worth more than the Pirate King, Rogers, right?

But to be the captain of three of the Yonko, damn

[visual merlin]

He'd be like 3-4 bil imo

[glacial knot]

I don't think he'd be worth less than Kaido

[pure raven]

He was the captain of 3 people that would go on to become yonko decades later

[minor juniper]

Fist thing that came to my mind was Marco, then Oden, and finally Rocks

[rigid wadi]

I think it will be like BM and Kaido's case, were is really close but a bit lower. So I gues that 5,1 b or something like that

[visual merlin]

I think he probably would be

[glacial knot]

WB, BM, Kaido and…?

[pure raven]

The 4 was a typo that i changed

[queen arrow]

that's 3

[visual merlin]

Rocks was around for 2 years, at least the big crew was

Kaido's been at this for decades

[glacial knot]

Yeah, that's my guess too
But I feel like he'd be within the small gap between WB and Rogers

[visual merlin]

so I would think kaido has a higher bounty

[queen arrow]

Rocks was the captain of a lot of people that got popular after he died

[rigid wadi]

Oh true, yes, he will have a bit more than WB but a bit less than Roger

[queen arrow]

i don't think that would warrant a big bounty in retrospect

[visual merlin]

3 bil or so is my guess

[glacial knot]

When did he die?

[visual merlin]

38 years ago

rocks crew started 40 years ago

[slate zodiac]

I thought it was stated that no pirate had a higher bounty than wb and roger

[visual merlin]

yep

[rigid wadi]

Sengoku told that he had the most feared crew of his time

[visual merlin]

good point there

so rocks must be under 5 bil

[mild kite]

I see Rayleigh in the low 3 bil range so I think Rocks would be like high 4 bil

[glacial knot]

Hmm… surely he's done a lot in those 2 years, I think it's entirely possible