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hard raft
hard raft
the hair is black and short around
neat anchor
What’s his story
hard raft
but he has long white hair at the top
livid relic
Whats the weapon that he's going to be holding
hard raft
he's just holding a stick there, he doesnt have a weapon
livid relic
Oh
fleet bramble
alright I'll wait until you get your text.
neat anchor
Does he have a power
livid relic
hard raft
so anyway, this kid is 15 years old. unruly teenager, spends his time walking around the city. he has no serious motivations or desires in life. gets in fights all the time, has a reputation for being very strong in their city.
he lives with a single father, and his dad is pretty much the only person he cares about. The dad is constantly worried about him, but he lies and tells his dad that he has a lot of friends. The dad knows he's lying, of course, and one day his dad is like praying or talking to a picture of their dead mother or whatever, and he says that these days, the only things he wishes for is that his son will make a friend.
so our dude overhears this, and he comes up to his dad a bit later, and tells him that he has invited a friend over for dinner next week or something. But he doesn't actually have any friends, obviously, so now our dude is going to find someone to bring over to dinner by the end of the week.
that's where we are at the beginning of the story, he's walking around and that's his goal.
by the end of the first chapter, he will have some kind of supernatural power involving black liquid
I do not know anything about him aside from that, and haven't managed to develop it further
but I do have a basic idea of the person that will become his friend
hard raft
what don't you like about that?
neat anchor
I like it
fleet bramble
how that has to do with black liquid
neat anchor
It’s wholesome
jovial tide
I dont like the supernatural part either
hard raft
until the black liquid part you like it?
fleet bramble
more like
jovial tide
Yeah same
fleet bramble
TELL ME
fleet bramble
HOW DOES IT RELATE
hard raft
it's because i'm explaining point A and point Z
fleet bramble
yeah
hard raft
and not any of hte points in between
alright
so
this is a supernatural story, the story is going in a battle direction
but it's just that the INITIAL premise
like the first thing that gets him out of the door
is his desire to bring someone over and make his dad feel better
but like
that's not the central story
that's just his backstory
for that particular day
neat anchor
Oooh
hard raft
what's going to happen is the events that transpire from him looking to make a friend
will get him involved in the supernatural side of their world
hard raft
nah, it doesnt really go THAT fantasy that fast
jovial tide
w-what if he brings a girl 😳
neat anchor
Plot twist: summons Bahamut
hard raft
but the thing is
okay forget all the black liquid stuff for now
that's in the future
for today, my intention was to just have everyone introduce the character
neat anchor
Well, what be his name
hard raft
haven't decided
jovial tide
Inkie
neat anchor
Do you have ideas on that?
hard raft
not really
the idea of the black liquid by the way
initially he was going to be an octopus man
like the way that spiderman is a spider man
jovial tide
👀
hard raft
so he would be able to produce ink from his hands, and use that to like fly around and shit
like a jet
hard raft
and he would be able to turn "invisible" by blending to his surroundings like an octopus
no no actual tentacles
jovial tide
aw
hard raft
now i dont like the idea of the black liquid actually being ink
but i do want him to use black liquid
hard raft
but again, forget the black liquid for now
hard raft
go on
fleet bramble
so he got bitten by a radioactive cotopus?
jovial tide
Do you think that introducing supernatural stuff when the first few chapters have none of that to set that supernatural stuff exists in this world is okay and not completely random? Because I dont think so, unless its something that happens in current time.
jovial tide
Has to give at least a hint of those supernatural powers from day 1
hard raft
the first chapter already ends with a supernatural battle
leaden spade
Oh balls I knew I had homework due. I’m at work but my dude is finished !!
livid relic
I would like the idea of ink more if it had more tide in with the story
jovial tide
Yeah it kinda feels like that right now haha
hard raft
yep, the premise of the powers is not fleshed out yet
hard raft
more than a bit doom
fleet bramble
the undercut and popped collar really sell that
hard raft
i like his haircut
livid relic
Like if it was food wars but with art instead of food
hard raft
it might be a bit divisive i guess, but yeah, it seems modern in a way
livid relic
I would like the ink
hard raft
i get what you're saying hypno
hard raft
yeah yeah i get you sky
the initial thing i was thinking is that
older thug characters like yusuke have that pompadour outsiders look
fleet bramble
art wars
hard raft
short at the bottom longer on top
livid relic
Or maybe u could show he likes drawing and painting
hard raft
nah dude he doesn't like drawing, his motivation for black liquid is that he feels the whole world sees him as dirty, and he wants to dirty it back
but the thing is
im pretty sure the black liquid is just the power he gets
livid relic
So his power reveals its self as paint
hard raft
like it's not that he chose to use it or anything
fleet bramble
since I said it for hypno
livid relic
Hm
fleet bramble
he doesn't really look like he's fighitng a lot
livid relic
🤔
neat anchor
So, I have a question Drap
hard raft
you think his design is too clean/slick for that?
fleet bramble
yeah
neat anchor
That’s what makes it kinda fun though
jovial tide
drap said he's the strongest so maybe he just doesnt even get hit
fleet bramble
the knees kinda look like he's got protectors
well it depends
but if you want people to say "wow this guy fights a lot"
he looks like the guy that would tell others to fight for him
hard raft
he's basically way stronger than all the other teenagers in the city, but when he gets mixed up with the people who have legit powers, he's nothing
livid relic
Instead of ink how about blood
hard raft
i want it to be black
fleet bramble
oil.
livid relic
The more he gets wounded in a fight the stronger he becomes defensively
jovial tide
Nigga
fleet bramble
I mean why not use oil?
jovial tide
Thats literally the power I have
hard raft
yeah, oil is one i thought of
jovial tide
I gave my guy I mean
hard raft
oil has that dirt association for sure
livid relic
Oh I wasn't here for yours I'm sorry @jovial tide
jovial tide
Tar?
hard raft
anyway doom, i don't think it's going to be a problem because he's going to be in a fight by page 2
jovial tide
@livid relic You gonna have to scroll up then
fleet bramble
yeah drap
jovial tide
😊
hard raft
well i guess it might be an issue if he doesn't look the part
the thing is that his appearance is the kind that someone has
if htey really care about how they look
so it doesn't seem like it fits a street fighting kid
i get that
fleet bramble
if that's a point in your story that works pretty well
hard raft
but i think it can work if he has a kind of smug little badass persona
fleet bramble
sidesteps your punches
hard raft
i mean his character is inspired by characters like sakuragi and yusuke, they're very concerned with getting the pompadour just right, yknow?
like i want him to be the type to be superficial about that stuff
and have a flashy haircut
livid relic
What if he's only a strong boy
fleet bramble
how's he "do" his power anywaY?
hard raft
im gonna be totally honest, the powers are just what i chose because i want a power that will be fun to draw, it's not developed at all
and im willing to walk away from it
the only thing i'm really attached to is this kid
and throwing him from his normal day into a fantasy battle manga premise
neat anchor
A lot of potential for the kid then
fleet bramble
the very left shot is my favorite
hard raft
i really like drawing liquids
coming off of characters
that's the only point here really
fleet bramble
go for oil
jovial tide
Heey I remember this one
hard raft
yeah oil is a good idea
livid relic
I remeber this👀
hard raft
anyway you guys seem to have the worlds/stories much more developed than i have
hard raft
as i said, my intention was just to come up with the character for today
livid relic
Make him a fish guy
fleet bramble
mermaid-man
jovial tide
nah
livid relic
And go on undersea adventures
hard raft
i have a pretty good idea of how i want him to be, i guess i'll be able to show that later
actually
what should we have for next week
develop the world more?
hard raft
i was thinking it would be cool if we drew a situation
like a 4 panel comic or something
jovial tide
yeah bye
hard raft
that shows the world and the characters
jovial tide
🚶
neat anchor
Actually I wanted to bring that up Drap
jovial tide
lmao
livid relic
Ok
hard raft
just like draw a small scene from teh world
neat anchor
So
hard raft
hypno already has a lot of the story developed
but for the rest, it can be a way to maybe introduce more characters or a setting
livid relic
Sorry
hard raft
into the world
hard raft
that's okay sky
neat anchor
No no I had an idea for myself
I’ve been working on the story for this for a while, but I haven’t been working on my art
jovial tide
so that leaves Anne
hard raft
anne will show us here when she gets home from work i suppose
neat anchor
So I want to do something like I did when I first started writing, making short stories
I wanna make some short comic stories to practice my art
Like one shots
hard raft
we can work towards something like that for sure yeah
should that be the end goal of this? to make a short manga?
neat anchor
I already have like 90 short story ideas and it would be good to help me learn before tackling something large like the story I am doing now
fleet bramble
btw @livid relic I was thinking of something like that for movement
jovial tide
hard raft
doom what do you think about this week's goal being drawing a scene? a really simple scene
neat anchor
I can try for that
hard raft
but a whole week for going for an iconic pose
neat anchor
I have a short story in mind I’ll work on and the character is clear in my head
hard raft
seems extreme to me
we had a week to come up with a character
we can do another week for another character
livid relic
More side characters?
hard raft
or for something related to the world i guess
jovial tide
Yes lets do another character
neat anchor
I am gonna try for a simple scene
hard raft
not 4 pages
jovial tide
lol
livid relic
3 simple side characters
fleet bramble
oh a scene
jovial tide
Lets draw side characters
neat anchor
I’ll do a scene
jovial tide
or supporting ones
livid relic
Im good with a scene
hard raft
you can draw it really simply
jovial tide
I HAVE THREE CHARACTERS IN MY MIND ALREADY
hard raft
like
livid relic
Same
fleet bramble
could do a "first page"
neat anchor
I am putting my big story on hold anyway, so a scene from my short story that I want to draw
hard raft
okay how about this
do a scene from the story
depending on your level of motivation and commitment
it can be a single drawing
jovial tide
Okay I can do a scene actually
jovial tide
I have a scene in my head too
fleet bramble
so yeah
neat anchor
I’ll do my best
hard raft
alright
jovial tide
we can draw more than 4 panels tho right
jovial tide
ill prob expand to 2 pages idk
fleet bramble
drap write it together nicely, ping everyone involed and the let's get this pinned
jovial tide
Because the scene I have in mind requires a page flip
to make it look good
ok
@livid relic
go look up mine
hard raft
Now that everyone has introduced their characters (aside from Anne, she will post it after work today), our next goal is to draw one scene from the story.
How you go about this is dependent on the amount of time and commitment you're willing to put into this. Anything is acceptable, even just a single drawing showing the character(s) in a certain situation. You can go for a whole manga page, or just a few simple panels, whatever works for you.
Have the scene ready by next Sunday, and we'll meet again at the same time we did today.
@jovial tide @livid relic @neat anchor @leaden spade @fleet bramble
livid relic
Im reading it
livid relic
7am for me 👀
hard raft
no at this time meaning 5pm
jovial tide
They arent 13 hours behind us
hard raft
we decided on this time on the first day
jovial tide
its aight I guess
hard raft
alright
livid relic
I like the idea you had for his killing move being a maiden but im not that big a fan of the arms @jovial tide
jovial tide
@livid relic My inspiration was this
livid relic
I see
livid relic
I would suggest trying to incorporate even more ways of how to use blood
jovial tide
Oh I obviously will, the blood powers especially with the ability to harden them would be extremely versatile
the iron maiden is just an example
livid relic
I would say the most dangerous thing about a blood ability is the fact the blood in fiction has the ability to be a liquid and an iron like solid so the most dangerous thing you can do is have an attack in which a limb would become just liquid and be shot at someone covering them up in the liquid and then just solidified it trapping them kind of like a barred handcuffed or as they're Swinging with the momentum of water it would turn into an iron and either stab through them or just bluntly hit them
It's also very gelatinous sometimes
jovial tide
Or turn in to a pool of blood, get in the middle of a group of enemies and as you jump out of the pool you create rotating blades around you that go in a circle
and then when you cut the enemies in half and the bodies start flying you send spikes from those and in to more enemies
livid relic
I would also make it though he can actually run out of blood just because that would add more tension and steaks to scenario forcing your character to think on his feet more often
jovial tide
you cut an arm off and as its flying you use that arm as another weapon
No
How can you "run out" of blood
fleet bramble
drap, you ever heard of the Red Lantern Corps?
jovial tide
You dont "use up" blood
it doesnt just disappear
even if you throw it on the ground, its still on the ground and still there
you just retrieve it back
livid relic
Because another special attribute to blood is that a person has a limited amount of it so if you take that away it's no different than him just using water and solidifying it into ice because another special attribute to blood is that a person has a limited amount of it so if you take that away it's no different than him just using water and turning it into ice
jovial tide
You can use as much blood as your body has the capacity of it, not including any other blood thats spilled
Also
livid relic
The human body doesn't produce blood fast enough for someone that uses blood to just take up a whole bunch of it that's why people get light-headed when they take out blood from their body
fleet bramble
so you make fake blood?
jovial tide
Thats not how it works
You control blood the same way a blood logia would work in One Piece
Say the amount of blood your body has is 100%
livid relic
So for like other series normally the condition for blood users is that they can use a lot of the blood stored in their body but the problem is they won't use a lot of it because if they take out too much too fast they'll become too light-headed and pass out in the middle of a fight or will take too much too fast and end up dying due to not having enough blood in their own body
jovial tide
So you can use the 100% amount of blood your body has, but it wouldnt, like, take the blood from your system
He isnt a hemomancer Hypno
thats the main difference
he doesnt use his blood
he uses blood period
but the amount of blood he can use is the amount of blood that is available
in his general vicinity
fleet bramble
so his body can work without a regular amount of blood?
jovial tide
Yes
He technically is blood
Because he has the same kind of intangibility as a logia
The point is that these characters with these powers are supposed to be overpowered and unfair in the eyes of normal people, they were created by earth to control the population, if he had to worry about things like that then he would be extremely weak
compared to other powers I have in mind
livid relic
I personally feel if you're making his entire body just become blood it removes a little bit of the benefaction you can get from actually being blood story writing wise it just very cool colored water at that point cuz making his entire body just become water and ice what do give you the same effects cuz the human body has a lot of liquid in it too
jovial tide
The blood that Devos uses and even when its out of his body is still technically his blood that is running through the veins
think like Law uses his powers to cut people up and they are still alive
or the heart
Well Hypno I want it to be blood and not water
so
Because Blood is cooler
and more sinister
livid relic
If it's the same blood running through his veins at through his heart than taking it out and using it as a weapon should technically give him a drawback in using it for example slowing down his actual movement or causing him to become light-headed
jovial tide
and it gives the sense that he he turns the most trusted thing a human can have against him
which is blood
Hypno
he isnt actually taking it out
And if he is then he is immune to that kind of stuff
Just like someone who has powers to increase his own momentum is immune to the impact damage
livid relic
Will you keep saying the blood he's turning into is the same blood that runs through his veins and is part of his heart there's a difference between turning your body into blood and using the same blood that is actually composed inside of you
jovial tide
Theres like two or three different ways I can make it and it would work the way I want it to
livid relic
I would actually argue that someone that can increase their momentum isn't actually immune to impact damage if you impact them enough you can force them to reverse their momentum backwards if they're already standing still
jovial tide
- He is not affected by loss of blood
- The blood he uses is just a representation of his own blood in his body, think of it like copying the 100% of blood he has in his own system and using it
livid relic
If anything if you can increase your momentum very easily just makes it easier for people to knock you around but it also makes it easier for you to Bastion to people at higher speeds
jovial tide
Hypno, IRL they wouldnt be immune, but in a manga/anime world they are
livid relic
Okay I don't have a problem with how ur useing your blood ability, I'm just saying you're missing out on a very fascinating storytelling plot device about how you would have to make him work smarter and more efficiently with the blood he's using instead of spending a lot of big moves and instead try to win more efficiently and with more effective moves
fleet bramble
things like death by a thousand cuts?
jovial tide
I dont like the idea
fleet bramble
hypno I like that a lot
livid relic
I know it's called hemomancy, I also know it's been done but it's been done because so much because it works it adds tension to every fight
jovial tide
There are plenty of ways for me to make it interesting than handicap my character when he is supposed to be overpowered
fleet bramble
hypno, maybe with a counter so the guy can see how much blood he's got left before passing out
jovial tide
There are other things that can add tension
and no its called Hemomancy
Hemomancers damage themselves to damage the enemies in the sense of using their own blood that they have inside of their bodies, which means when its used its not in their bodies
fleet bramble
that'd be a blood mage tho.
jovial tide
My character isnt like that, he has a ceiling to how much blood he can use if he is the only person in a room (if there are more then he can draw that blood and use theirs)
No
fleet bramble
not someone controlling blood.
livid relic
Auto correct hates me sorry
fleet bramble
hypno, homomancy had me in tears, so everything is alright
fleet bramble
so to summarize
he uses blood, but he has an infinite amount of it that can also turn into things, but he also doesn't need it
livid relic
Idk , i personally I feel like it's more rewarding to set a lot of limits on a character and for that character then to have to find ways to use his limited power to actually go into combat or help people
jovial tide
Okay so imagine it like this. @livid relic @fleet bramble When he creates that blood arm of his, lets say he uses the equivalent amount of blood that his right leg has lets say its 25% of the bodys blood, but he wouldnt lose the blood thats in the right leg, it would just use up that amount of blood thats in the leg, that means that he is left with 75% of blood to use for anything externally, but his body would still have all of the 100% blood in the places it belongs. Yes its like making "fake blood" as Doom said, except its real blood, think of it like copying it. If he uses 100% of his body's blood to create a clone of himself, he would still have blood in his veins and wouldnt feel anything, the only thing is that he couldnt do any other blood attacks besides using the clone because the clone is using 100% of his blood. If he cuts a person up while having the clone out he would be able to use 200% of the available blood, or 150% or whatever.
Or he just simply isnt affected
by any of it
lol
fleet bramble
so it's basically mana for creating biologcal constructs
jovial tide
@livid relic The powers were given in order to kill humans and control the population, he couldnt do very much if he was that weak
Doom except that Mana gets used up but this guy never loses grip of his blood
hard raft
hypno are you a shaman king fan?
livid relic
He would though
jovial tide
He wouldnt, because the other characters would be way stronger
hell, the human military could kill him then
livid relic
@hard raft yeah i dont remember almost any though
jovial tide
My point is is that my character works like a snowball, he is really good while outnumbered because the more blood there is potentially to be spilled the stronger he gets
So he kills one guy, he has 200% blood to use, he kills 2 more he has 400%
and that number can ramp up quickly
I dont like the idea of being "out of blood" because that limits me to things I wanna do, I'd rather have him just choose to not go for the easiest route of killing people
livid relic
But what im saying is in story writing you can't have a character that's good against a lot of people and in one-on-one combat you have to show tension or else the reader will get disinterested really quickly
jovial tide
unless he has to
In one-on-one is where Devos would be the weakest
Now imagine a 1v1 where Devos fights through like 15 people and has 1600% blood available to him and then fight someone who is just as strong as that
livid relic
Well what you could then do is just make every other character have a really cool ability that they have to use under certain conditions like maybe a guy that can kill you just by touching you but it only works if he makes direct contact on to you using either of his hands in which case the way to counter him would be to shoot them down with guns
jovial tide
Yes
Thats the point, to have characters with overpowered abilities let loose in a place with the urge to kill people
controllable urge
but urge nonetheless
although a death touch ability would exist with blood powers too
Put your hand on the enemies heart and run a spike through it
even from long range thats possible
livid relic
But the thing is it's not an overpowered ability cuz it only works if he physically makes contact with either of his hands as long as you're fighting you can write in a long-ranged user thus he would become weaker so it's not overpowered it's actually quite balanced the problem with the blood ability you have is at its weakest it's very good and at its strongest it's too good and it shouldn't be given to someone like a main character cuz then it becomes broken
In addition you could cut off his hands and he would no longer have the ability to one shot people by touching them
jovial tide
The kill touch ability would actually be very weak
Hell, all of the powers that I have thought up already have the possibility of doing that
livid relic
This is the reason that Oda chose to remove crocodiles hand and give him a hook for a hand, cuz he knew that two handed crocodile would be too strong for early Luffy to fight
jovial tide
And the point of the series is that there are a lot of broken people with broken powers and the MC is one of them
Where did you get that info from?
lol
livid relic
There's just a Blaine problem and always giving people too many overpowered abilities in the story instead of trying to fix a problem giving everyone overpowered abilities which will end up breaking the series and make it very stressful to watch you could make it more enjoyable by making everybody's abilities just be borderline usable because you could write it so that they're sneaky about how they're destroying people
jovial tide
One Punch Man did it
and it worked
hell, One Piece is doing it
and it works
Take out Haki and its almost the same
as a core concept of powers
DBZ did it
livid relic
The thing though that is different is that the devil fruits were becoming too crazy at one point so he had to introduce haki to balance it out
And one punch man there's a comedy series about how it makes fun of overpowered characters
And everybody complains about how Dragon Balls power system always escalating is what ended up ruining the series for most people
jovial tide
Yeah because in Oda's story the people without devil fruits can become strong too. If one human could fight against a Cleanser as I started calling them then it would defeat the purpose of the powers in the first place
Hypno, Goku and Vegeta were overpowered since Dragonball
err
DBZ Saiyan Saga
livid relic
But then you always here praise for Hunter Hunter the try giving the most limits to their character so the characters have to be smart about how they use their abilities
livid relic
That's why most people like the original dragon Ball more than they actually like Dragon Ball Z
jovial tide
And I dont feel like limiting the people with powers is a right idea
In the original Dragon Ball Goku was already immune to bullet shots Hypno
like episode 1
livid relic
I'm just giving my two cents it's your story I'm trying to give you some constructive criticism
jovial tide
thats fair enough
livid relic
Yeah but he still had a lot to learn
jovial tide
Have you read Berserk?
livid relic
Also i dont I think that anybody should be looking a dragon ball for a good power system example
jovial tide
Also my story wouldnt be mainly about fights or power levels
livid relic
Heard about it I've been trying to read the Manga I'm most likely going to just buy the the manga volumes at one point
jovial tide
they would happen, but they would happen in moderation and when it does it looks good and it makes sense, there doesnt have to be a fight every single arc
livid relic
ok
idk, in the end the writing is what matters
the power system is just the frosting on the cake
jovial tide
mhm
Have you ever read Sun-Ken Rock?
even in-between the fights the story was really good
livid relic
@hard raft damn , you're right my style does look like shaman king 
just re watched the opening
no i haven't
sorry
though to be honest i dont really care about most fight scenes most of the time , there just entertaining most of the time
@jovial tide
livid relic
like i like them but i dont care to much
ok ill check it out later
when i have time
hard raft
i don't mean that much the way the animated it
let me find some example
blocky blocky
fleet bramble
hypno's style looks like Animal Chrossing and the early final fantasy games had a beautiful child
livid relic
i see 🤔
jovial tide
you are both wrong
livid relic
@fleet bramble thank you 
for liking my stuff
fleet bramble
than you
for making it.
leaden spade
ahhh im getting out of a work in a minute but how do i find all yours to look at?? ?
jovial tide
@leaden spade Look up this in the search bar "we'll start in like 15 minutes so how about you use that time to write out a bit about your character so you can share it" and it will jump you to where it started
copy paste it
jovial tide
I pretty much just redrew mine from Traditional to Digital and modernized it a bit I guess 😄
Did you read the story?
leaden spade
devil ive always loved this concept of his powers, its really nice to see it fleshed out and put into the context of its own verse
leaden spade
yeah i think you're doing something really cool with it though
an doom, I love how original yours is, or at least it seems to be to me as a normie. the design is both futuristic but the face almost seems like aztec tribal
I'm not going to add any artist critiques but i'm happy to go more in depth on story boarding or any art historical concepts i see you guys drawing from as those would be things i actually know about
jovial tide
We were both answering questions after we posted ours so if you want to you can read those for a better grasp, if you have any
if you have any questions*
lol
@fleet bramble we talking about you btw
fleet bramble
thanks anne
leaden spade
i'm just kind of skimming through bc there's a ot of comments so sorry this is so disjointed but goddamn doom the devil of detail is amazing
im looking at the close up of the hand rn
leaden spade
ahhh and i see the face templates, i stand by my tribal comment
jovial tide
Wait hand of my character?
leaden spade
level, im tyoing quickly
fleet bramble
you drew something I heard
leaden spade
nodooms
jovial tide
o
leaden spade
i did, im going through yours first
fleet bramble
ah
leaden spade
mine is laughable compared to your work, guys, but im in it for the funsies
and bc i like story boarding ideas
leaden spade
none of my concepts are going to translate well into a manga unless i have an illustrator bc i cannot draw
but i am a writer so
this is fun for me
jovial tide
Cant wait to see yours, would be the first time I ever see any of your work apart from that one
leaden spade
im a painted, devil
i'd be happy to show you my paintings
these sketches are not indicitive of my general artistic ability
jovial tide
Yeah I've seen a few
But im interested to see what you sketched still
thats the most interesting part for me on any drawing
the sketches, the idea being built
leaden spade
they're shit ubt my ideas are cool
i'll post them before i get into sky, drap and hypnos
jovial tide
Righto
fleet bramble
yeah lineart isn't the end it all when it comes to painting
leaden spade
not at all
and i also never paint peopole
i do landscapes
and like
abstract close ups of trees
and still life bottles of wine
lots of those
leaden spade
right well i dont have my sketchbook or pencils
so this got drawn with pen
in my stepwork notebook
fleet bramble
winebottles are fun to draw
leaden spade
they really are
fleet bramble
paint
usually to be ironic people place a glas and grapes next to it
the reminds me
what are you painitng with anne?
acrylic?
or oil.
leaden spade
yes 90% acrylic
jovial tide
I dont think I've ever drawn still stuff asides from being forced by my mom to draw a bowl and then get berated by how shit my ellipse was lol
fleet bramble
Oil is just... a hassle
jovial tide
I tried oil painting because I got caught in the Bob Ross hype but I failed miserably
jovial tide
And I was just like fuck it, mom, cmere and knock yourself out with this im done
fleet bramble
I should do watercolors again those are always fun
leaden spade
they are really fun
jovial tide
I did 
leaden spade
okay so if my phone ever connects to my wifi i'll post it but just so you know since im not an artist i opted for a simple and replicable style
jovial tide
My mom restored it in to some really good shit tho
jovial tide
mhm
jovial tide
I love the top left one
fleet bramble
anneeeeeeeeeeeeeee
jovial tide
the eyes look so good
leaden spade
Ty he's my main dude
jovial tide
wait its a guy?
leaden spade
yes lol
jovial tide
lmao
leaden spade
he's just pretty
jovial tide
those some feminine eyes you got there
leaden spade
he's supposed to look pretty
leaden spade
It's a love story but its a lot ore complicated 😮
jovial tide
cute
jovial tide
I can already see who the inspiration was for the girl
fleet bramble
then I have to turn away
jovial tide
😄
leaden spade
it takes place in a near future america where there's a social media site on the dark web where it will tell you how to become successful and avoid pain. what to do, who to be friends with, what to post, what to read, and if you really wanna avoid pain, betrayal and get ahead- who to kill. main dude is named Sullivan, he works for this company as a mind reader who does consulting work for them
but its a long con, he's not a mind reader
he's just disillusioned and likes the thrill of it, ect
mild haven
ANYONE QUICK WHAT DO I DRAW
leaden spade
until one day he wakes up and he IS a mind reader and now he wants to switch to the good side.
mild haven
gotcha
leaden spade
yeah like he helps the site figure out what to tell people through his ability
"ability"
jovial tide
dark web huh 🤔
leaden spade
also all the characters are going to be named after streets in NYC bc its cute and im homesick
fleet bramble
aww
jovial tide
Whats the main characters name?
jovial tide
who's she?
leaden spade
love interest, also works for company, knew he was a fake and was trying to get him killed until he actually gets his power and she thinks she was wrong about him all along
they fal in love obvi
bc its a love story 😠
jovial tide
yes yes 😄
leaden spade
anyway let me go check out sky, drap and hyno's stuff
fleet bramble
trying to get him killed
fleet bramble
love works in strange ways indeed
jovial tide
she didnt love him at that point Doom
leaden spade
^^^^
she thought he was a liar who was profiting off his long con and getting innocent people murdered
...which he was
but he reforms
jovial tide
what is long con
leaden spade
a long con
leaden spade
okay like a con artist who meets a guy at a bar and pretends to be his friend for a night to steal his wallet
thats a short con
jovial tide
ive never heard of that to be used ever haha
leaden spade
a con artist who pretends to be an art appriasor who steals real paintings and switches them out for fakes devouts years to it
long con
jovial tide
but it can be used for anything else besides art stuff right?
leaden spade
yeah that was just an example
jovial tide
So Vergo would be considered a long con?
leaden spade
YES!!
jovial tide
Okay
leaden spade
exactly
jovial tide
Makes sense now
fleet bramble
you didn't know that devil?
jovial tide
No
First time I hear that
when I hear the word "con" i just get stuff like twitch con or comic con or games con in my head
convention
lol
fleet bramble
alright enough delaying annes almighty judgement
good argument actually
con can mean a lot
jovial tide
Imma go take a shower and if I see that Anne has talked about others significantly more than about me I'll be unhappy
Later~
leaden spade
sky i love the theme of loss and the idea of people being connected through it, there's a lot you can explore there both surface level and deeper. I also really dig the card suit design and think tess's design is really interesting and i love her hair and make up
fleet bramble
@neat anchor chop chop come here
leaden spade
im discussing your work silly
leaden spade
nani?
neat anchor
One shots for a whole based on my short stories
jovial tide
He is yeah
neat anchor
I was reading Anne’s stuff
leaden spade
if sky leaves, i riot
neat anchor
I like the story concept a lot
leaden spade
thank you!
thats where my attention is tbh, im not an artist and im not pretending to be
jovial tide
Oh yeah didnt really talk about it much
neat anchor
I am not a great artist either
jovial tide
@leaden spade I like the premise of deep web being introduced in this, its like a lowkey thing in the world and at the same time will probably be this huge thing with underground companies and the fantasy that is introduced with the mind-reading ability. It certainly sounds like an intense love story, action/romance right?
leaden spade
yes, action/mystery/romance
neat anchor
Honestly the idea of a love story in that setting interests me
I wanna see how you pull it off in a darker setting like that
jovial tide
The girl character looks like you obviously, the guy character looked like a girl to me at first because of the eyes, but you said that he is supposed to be pretty which helps with his "long con" so that puts him as a dangerous person to put trust in to
leaden spade
exactly 😮
and yeah i used to draw my anime self portrait a lot
so its a design i can easily replicate lol
she's supposed to look like anime anne but she doesnt have my personality
jovial tide
At the same time it has to avoid that kind of "oh its a an action/mystery story" and then in like the last 30 or so chapters (depending how long it would be) they fall in love out of nowhere, it has to have some kind of a thing present from day 1 so the romance doesnt come out of nowhere
neat anchor
What was her personality
leaden spade
and yes, sky, i liked the juxtapostion of the flight and dark
oh no its a love story from chapter one
mild haven
im sketchin nami my style
fleet bramble
nice
leaden spade
she's very analytical and suspicious
jovial tide
learned a new word
leaden spade
and she hates the color blue
leaden spade
she just like, isnt bubbly
mild haven
thats how i do the gesture
leaden spade
yes 😄
jovial tide
Reminds me of one movie
leaden spade
she knows martial arts and has discipline
neat anchor
Different than I was thinking but I like the idea Anne
mild haven
scribble, layer, scribble, layer until I get the perfect lines
fleet bramble
I used to do it like that as well capo
leaden spade
thanks sky 😅
mild haven
What do you do now then
mild haven
oh
jovial tide
@leaden spade you need to watch this movie btw, the main character sounds a lot like the one from your story
fleet bramble
of just paint the color straight down
leaden spade
and devil, your input is good, you have a pretty solid understanding of what i'm going for
jovial tide
Yeah, it does sound interesting 😊
leaden spade
and sky i really like the idea of a casino as a metaphor for loss
if thats what you were going for
mild haven
oh? how does that work
neat anchor
Anne I want to know more about your the world your building
And well the casino houses where all the people meet
And what better place for loss
Than a casino
neat anchor
Gracias
leaden spade
ots perfect but its not too over stated like a funeral or a hospital
its fun but clever
and dark
jovial tide
Its not immediately obvious either
leaden spade
and as for the world im building, its actually super fun
yes!! it makes you think for sec
*a sec
neat anchor
Tell me about the world Anne. Like how futuristic is it?
fleet bramble
capo you just lay down the color and then "scrape" out the shape
leaden spade
not the world, the world isnt fun, its dark and twisted but building it is fun
leaden spade
its not like anything super crazy, no hover crafts and shit
its like, a code gaess type of futuristic
without the mecha
jovial tide
Its not like "Oh my god this is fucking genius" its not "wow that couldnt have been more obvious" its like you put 2+2 real quick and go like "oooh thats clever, yeah that is I like that thats good"
leaden spade
i hate mecha
neat anchor
Ooh ok that makes sense
And mecha would be difficult to pull off anymore I think. Idk how you could myself
mild haven
Oh, never heard of it. Interesting
leaden spade
but technology is obviously a central part of the world and there's the underworld that runs this website and has assasins and shit
fleet bramble
mecha is difficult?
neat anchor
Well
jovial tide
Its slightly in to the future with more things and QoL things available but the world and its technologies are going at a steady and normal pace
right Anne?
neat anchor
Not difficult
leaden spade
mecha just isnt my cup of tea
leaden spade
yes dev, precisely
neat anchor
So Anne what is the main goal of your main characters
jovial tide
That sounds pretty much just like my idea of the future in my story tbh
leaden spade
Goal of the main guy, Sullivan is to figure out how to bring down the website
jovial tide
The guy wants to redeem himself
leaden spade
now that he's a mind reader for real
and sees how fucked up everything is and in part bc of what he's done
mild haven
taking shape
neat anchor
I can get behind that
leaden spade
and the girls original goal was to bring down anyone conspiring against the organization
or lying to them
hence why she ws targeting someone she thought was a fraud
jovial tide
The girl wants to cut him up for what he did in the past and she doesnt believe him when he says that he has changed or something similar?
leaden spade
but then she starts to fall for him and then has to decide her allegiance
but shes not like a misa misa character
neat anchor
I like it.
jovial tide
a misa misa 😂
neat anchor
I wanna see how that arc develops for her
jovial tide
probably lots of bar visits
leaden spade
yeah she's still coming together for me
i have a pretty firm grasp on sullivan
and what he's up to
neat anchor
Piece by piece builds a beautiful world
leaden spade
i wanna know more about your other 6 characvters!
and yes devil, there will be a lot of scenes in bars
neat anchor
Ahh they have a lot of work still. Plus, I am focusing on my one shot for the next while
neat anchor
It’s just a cute little story about a Japanese girl that paints things to life
jovial tide
yes that one that I meant
leaden spade
ohh that sounds so fun sky!
jovial tide
unless your old work place in nyc wasnt your favorite bar lol
leaden spade
it wasnt lol
jovial tide
damn
neat anchor
I want in a cartoony, ghibli form I’ll get there
leaden spade
i worked at a bar called Wicked Willys
jovial tide
sounds like a zone in Fortnite
leaden spade
oooo i like anything with a ghibli vibe 😮
jovial tide
🏃 💨 💨
leaden spade
how old is the mc in your one shot?
jovial tide
I was imagining more like 8 years old
the age of innocence still, she would draw pretty cute stuff
neat anchor
8 it is a little too young I think 12 would work well for the story I want to tell
jovial tide
When shes 16 its already in that stage
neat anchor
It’s not gonna be anything fancy. But I do have a lot of work to do for my panel
leaden spade
what is 'that stage'?
leaden spade
true 😉
jovial tide
Whenever I see anyone 12 I always think "Thats the age the catch me ousside girl started rapping"
neat anchor
Well
jovial tide
lol
neat anchor
My girl wont be rapping
jovial tide
12 year olds are ruined for me forever
leaden spade
lolll yeah i think rappign might rui the story a bit
jovial tide
Just a bit
neat anchor
I was playing a bunch of video games and reading at 12
jovial tide
and then we get this bitch to represent 12 year olds
leaden spade
i had a boyfriend t summer camp when i ws 11 . we held hands and went kayaking. it was kawaii
leaden spade
i was a lil angel baby until like 15
jovial tide
Anne you're gonna talk about mine a bit more at the end right? 👀
jovial tide
sorry this is a bit off topic but im in love with New York
this looks so sexy
The bridge
leaden spade
i like what you have so far a lot and there's a million different ways it could go. are you keeping it like a non fantasy story? any ideas for his other goals?
jovial tide
I just found out its name to look it up
leaden spade
im also in love with new york, it is my city after all
leaden spade
anyway drap, i look forward to seeing what you do with it and where you go from here
and devil, im curious to see what other powers come out in your story, what your characters backround is like and what his ultimate goals are
jovial tide
i think he still wants to keep the black liquid powers @hard raft
I wrote a few of the powers, his goals
leaden spade
i think the power is really cool and you have a firm grasp on what your character can do but i wanna see if its ore ation or psychological, how developed other characters are
and what your themes will be
jovial tide
Hang on imma copy paste it
jovial tide
yes
I know
thats why I'll bring it up
here
lol
His character is a vigilante-ish. He does underground stuff and topples organizations like the Mafia and such and whatever runs in to his way. He has a girl that the bad guys know about and its a threat that he'll get blackmailed because of it so he isnt always like a loose canon. And as for his personality, I have a hard time deciding what it would be, but he wouldnt be a quiet edgelord, he'd have his own sense of humor, extrovert, would help a kid get his cat from the tree type of guy. @leaden spade
He feels like that the world being populated with good people is better than just to kill anyone indiscriminately
The overarching goal would be to get the "Cleansers" (or whatever you wanna call them) to selectively kill bad people and not just randomly everyone in their sight, he wants that the people with these powers would help the humanity as a whole reach higher states of civilization rather than put a ceiling to it
If humanity and the Cleansers worked together, science would go quicker and they'd have access to stuff like other planets and spaceships to house more people so the overpopulation problem would become irrelevant
leaden spade
some of it sounds a little death notey
but not in a bad way at all
i think there's a lot you can do with the idea of deciding who lives and dies
and it sounds like the ultimate solution is to save as many as possible
jovial tide
As for powers, one I have is where he can increase the momentum of his body parts to any degree at any point so his punches could come flying from any weird direction and could be extremely powerful
Another one was where he makes everything around him creepy and frightening so he kills with legit heart attacks
And I wouldnt say its to save as many as possible, its just to keep as many good people in the world as possible and to do that he has to convince others with the same powers to do that or follow his mindset
and if thats not possible, you get rid of them
or get rid of powerful world figures that hinder human technology due to greed
technology and progression
Which would result in his loved ones getting kidnapped or worse
@leaden spade
leaden spade
I'm curious what other peopels powers in this verse would be also, but your charcters powers sound pretty well thought out
and i like the high stakes plot
there's a lot you can do with it
it'll be interesting to see how it pns out
jovial tide
Thanks ☺ Yeah I want to keep it so that most arcs dont have to be tied to previous ones
Its like Sun-Ken Rock + the age demographic of Berserk + powers similar to One Piece (my guy is basically a blood logia) and maybe + Death Note as you said
Powers umm
Maybe one would have a power of "Whatever he tells people, they believe him no matter what"
Basically the ability to make people believe everything he says and be able to convince anyone
So if he is a Cleanser that chooses to kill people, he goes on intercom and just goes "Hey hey, lads and lasses, see that cliff? Thats our new attraction, decked out with soft cushions at the bottom for 100% safety, go try it out!"
And then like an entire group of tourists jumps off
I also want to come up with powers that turn man made objects against the humans
or human made stuff
And some with abstract things like Luck, Baccarats powers would fit in here
the powers would mainly be eerie in their own way
leaden spade
yeah i can tell your story has a lot of both overt and covert dark under tones
jovial tide
Just like I like my stories 😅
neat anchor
Are you wanting to add any kind of humor in your story?
neat anchor
?
jovial tide
lol
neat anchor
I get it doesn’t fit your themes