art

[livid relic]

most of my time goes on planning out the sketching and posing

then re drawing the one i like on water color paper and then inking

[hard raft]

oh so you dont touch the water color paper

until you know exactly what you're doing?

[livid relic]

then coloring doesn't take that long because oda gives his characters pretty good color schemes

yeah

water color paper is expensive

17 and 16 are also already inked i just need to color them

[hard raft]

if possible, i request more actiony poses for some of them

maybe something kind of in the air

@livid relic

[livid relic]

ok

[hard raft]

marco's pose is pretty neat

[livid relic]

starting number 15 forward ima try make them have more action

17 and 16 are inked so i cant do anything about them now

[hard raft]

i think that with your style, three dimensional actiony poses can look really cool

so i want to see them

[mild haven]

love your style

[jovial tide]

@hard raft good job

😉

[hard raft]

no with hypno i always have a lot to say his stuff is really unique lol

[jovial tide]

so youre implying that everyone who draws something and you dont have much to say about it dont have interesting drawings?

@hard raft

[hard raft]

well, it's not that the drawings are objectively uninteresting, but i guess they don't always inspire me to look more deeply at them

though it's just my own taste at the end of the day

[livid relic]

Naruto from memory

I was bored

[mild haven]

nice

[jovial tide]

@hard raft yall better not have a deadline at like 7am tomorrow

I havent drawn shit today

or in the past few days

[fleet bramble]

who would have expected

👏

[jovial tide]

I did draw the day after we have decided to do it @fleet bramble

[hard raft]

it's around 5pm tomorrow in our time defil

thats what we agreed on

basically around 13 hours from now

[livid relic]

[hard raft]

@neat anchor actually i have to admit i havent done mine yet

i was still deciding between a couple of different characters

and im still not sure

and now i just wnat to do something else entirely

aaaaaaaaaaaa

this is why we have deadlines though, it's good

[neat anchor]

I’ve gone back and forth like

9 times

[hard raft]

the thing is though you have a pretty good idea of the story you want to write right

[neat anchor]

I have 7 real big players in my story and I kept fucking stuff up on one character

Yeah a fairly decent idea

You have no idea?

[hard raft]

i have a lot of doors open in front of me

well obviously as someone who's passionate about this

i have several ideas that of story outlines or worlds or whatever

and i was thinking of inventing a character for one of them

or going for sometihng new entirely

but i dont know, it just hasnt been... like, nothing clicked

[neat anchor]

Hmm

[hard raft]

sometimes i feel like im really going in the right direction, but then i cant flesh it out right

[neat anchor]

What idea stands out the most to you?

[hard raft]

none

well, something new i came up with, for a magic system

that isnt realted to any of the previous ideas

and i have ideas for things minor characters can do with the magic system

but i havent really come up wtih a cool way to utilize it that fits a main character i guess

i just havent gotten any ideas that really blow me away or light a fire in my ass to write the story or anything like that, and i was hoping i would

but the whole point of a deadline is so that i'll actually get something done even if i dont have that

so ill just decide on something and draw it

[neat anchor]

Hm

[fleet bramble]

drap

[neat anchor]

Well

[fleet bramble]

feels like you are too

ehm what do they call it

[hard raft]

doom you've got 11 hours left

[fleet bramble]

you keep waiting for something better

[hard raft]

yeah

[fleet bramble]

just pick what sounds best a tthe moment

work with it

if it's shit you'll come up with something better in the process anyway

[hard raft]

yeah as I said that's what i'm going to have to do

i had a week to think about it and couldnt come up with anything that i really like

[neat anchor]

It’s what I had to do with my drawings

[hard raft]

so ill have to go with something im not SUPER happy about

[neat anchor]

I even told Doom that you were gonna kill me

I started over on characters like 90 times

[hard raft]

im glad you're taking this seriously sky ❤

[neat anchor]

Of course I am

I want my story to be good too

[hard raft]

alright

i've made a decision

i know which character im using, and i know where he is in the BEGINNING of the story, but i dont know what he develops into

(i mean, specifically he's gonna get some supernatural powers later on, and i have no fucking idea what they are)

but i have his design and personality at least

[mild haven]

Drew some boxes bois

[livid relic]

wait, when are we showing?

just to get that straight

@hard raft @neat anchor @fleet bramble

[neat anchor]

In like

6 or so hours

[livid relic]

ok

[neat anchor]

Am scared

[livid relic]

same

[neat anchor]

I am looking at my sketch

And I hate everything about it

But I literally have no time left

[livid relic]

i was at my girlfriends birthday so ima try finishing some extra stuff over night

[neat anchor]

That’s what’s up

Gotta make the girlfriend happy ya know

[livid relic]

yeah , we played monopoly

[neat anchor]

I haven’t played that in so long

[livid relic]

i had 3 colored monopolies everyone else had 1

[neat anchor]

You better of won lol

[livid relic]

no mercy

[neat anchor]

👍🏻

[livid relic]

no we didnt finish

[neat anchor]

Also I’ve seen your artwork here. You’re damn good man

And awee

[livid relic]

thank you

[neat anchor]

I got you, Drap, and Doom that I know all do very good work

And I am over here

Looking middle school

[livid relic]

i knew someone in middle school who painted better then most of my current college teachers, im like how

[neat anchor]

Dammmmmn

It’s just

In some people

[hard raft]

alrrriiiiiight guys

is everyone here

@fleet bramble @neat anchor @jovial tide @livid relic @leaden spade

[jovial tide]

kinda

[hard raft]

kinda

[neat anchor]

Yea

[hard raft]

well as i said earlier, the only ones who actually agreed to this time are us three and doom

[neat anchor]

I was just talking to doom

[hard raft]

hypno and anne came on later

[neat anchor]

He’ll be here

[hard raft]

so i guess they'll just turn it in when they get here

alright cool

we'll start presenting the characters in like ten minutes or so then? if he gets here

[neat anchor]

Ok

[jovial tide]

Sure

[fleet bramble]

so

I was slacking off and didn't get it done on time I think.

[neat anchor]

@hard raft he here

[hard raft]

well doom

we'll start in like 15 minutes so how about you use that time to write out a bit about your character so you can share it

and as for the drawing

if you want to share it, then share whatever you have

and if you don't want to, well, i guess it doesnt matter then

@fleet bramble

[fleet bramble]

naw

just ping me after someone submits theirs

[jovial tide]

I'll start I guess @hard raft

Can I?

[hard raft]

doom you're not getting away with not submitting shit

and yeah devil you can be the first

[jovial tide]

so how do I do this like

Post a picture and then tell the story of where he is in or like

Do I post the picture first you talk about it and then the story

@hard raft

[hard raft]

whatever order you're more comfortable with

[jovial tide]

hm

alright lets do the 2nd way

[hard raft]

since we didnt give clear directions, i assume eveyone else did it a little differently, so present it in the way that's best for you

[jovial tide]

This is my guy

I kinda updated his looks and his "weapons"

[hard raft]

@neat anchor @fleet bramble alright guys come, we're starting~!

[neat anchor]

So, his hand can turn into a gun or?

[neat anchor]

Oh wow you got everything laid out

[jovial tide]

So he would be in a manga that places in the future where overpopulation is a massive problem and the earth (or nature I guess) gives a few random newborns powers so they could use it against humanity. But its not like a hardcoded thing, they are free to just not do it, that would be the equivalent of people deciding to not have children. You know how the most basic and primitive purpose of humanity is to procreate right? Well the purpose of those guys would be to exterminate, but again, like I said, they have free will and all that. And the powers the babies get are completely random mine would get the blood powers, someone else could get something like the ability to increase the momentum and velocity of his body so he can like, have his fist right next to your chest and then punch you like he just did a full swing, someone other could get some kind of power of fright where whatever place he is in, it will turn extremely creepy and psychologically frightening, giving the people visions that would scare them the most and kill people with heart attacks. My guy would kill in more creative ways than just simply making the heart stop or something he would like, create an iron maiden that depending on its design kills the victim in different ways one could be as simple as closing the coffin and stabbing with clotted blood spikes on the inside the other could be like the whole coffin contracts around the victim so he has no place to move at all and just leaves him there to die. @hard raft

And can we please take turns in who presents first and not just bunch everything up

[fleet bramble]

that arm devil

I've seen it somehwere before

[hard raft]

yeah i think we should take turns

btw guys

would you prefer to do it in a group DM, or here in #art?

[jovial tide]

@neat anchor He has no hands therefore he can create his own with any anatomy he can, what I drew there was him shaping it in to a handgun

#art Drap

[fleet bramble]

I really don't care

[neat anchor]

Fair enough

[jovial tide]

He has no right arm at all

Thats why he grows one

out of blood

[neat anchor]

Oh right, I think we talked a little about the blood powers

[jovial tide]

gave you a lil sneak peak

lol

[neat anchor]

Yeah, I recall bits and pieces of the outline

[hard raft]

okay im reading it now

[fleet bramble]

can he run out of blood?

[jovial tide]

No

[neat anchor]

What would be his main obstacle to overcome

[jovial tide]

He can use any blood that exists in his vicinity, he can reuse the same blood over and over again

[fleet bramble]

so the only thing that even stands a remote chance are robots

[jovial tide]

But there is like a finite amount of blood he can control, if he's the only person there then the amount of blood he has is the amount he can control

[fleet bramble]

@hard raft I'm waiting 👀

[neat anchor]

Hmm

[fleet bramble]

didn't even spellcheck

[hard raft]

we'll do it in turns doom, first everyone talks about devil's, then we'll go with yours

[neat anchor]

So finite control

[hard raft]

but im happy that yours is organized and actually has the image and all the details in one file

[neat anchor]

So I’ve seen a bit about the powers and the world

I am interested in what his goals and opposition are

[jovial tide]

His main obstacle to overcome? Whether he follows through the "mission" he is given or does he do his own thing. He gets in to a lot of trouble with other people who have such powers who threaten people he loves and such so his hands get tied up

[hard raft]

but it seems like in most fights against biological creatures, he is almost guaranteed to win, right?

[fleet bramble]

well it could be interesting if he fights against some weird mutants...

[jovial tide]

Yes, but that doesnt mean that he would take the quickest way to win, and that doesnt mean that victory would mean nobody else gets hurt, who he cares about

[fleet bramble]

what does qualify as blood in first place?

is it like a chem compound?

or just "life juice of things"

[hard raft]

although with the way you described the powers, you can make some other people with really broken abilities too

so it can balance out

[jovial tide]

Yes

So obviously if he were to fight against common thugs he'd play with his food and such

But if it comes to powerful enemies he'd struggle

Btw I forgot to mention that he cant control other people blood that is still inside of their bodies

[fleet bramble]

on those powers

[jovial tide]

So he cant stop hearts

[fleet bramble]

do they have to be related to culling the herd?

[jovial tide]

But he can spill that blood and then control it

Which he can do easily

Culling the herd?

[fleet bramble]

that's what the concept is called

thinning populations

[neat anchor]

I think Doom means like

Oh never mind ya got it

[fleet bramble]

since they are made to kill people... do they all have powers realted to killing in a sense?

I'd imagine a healer would be really weird amongst those

[hard raft]

if the blood has to be outside of their bodies, then yeah i think his ability is pretty balanced

[jovial tide]

I guess it is, but like I said, these people with these powers dont have to kill anyone, if they choose so they can do whatever they want, but they are aware that their purpose is to do it

[fleet bramble]

is there so downside to that

like... a murderboner?

I'm not joking.

[jovial tide]

Its like the equivalent to choosing not to have children in real life

[neat anchor]

What tells them that their purpose is to kill?

[jovial tide]

What tells people to procreate? To eat?

[neat anchor]

So instinct

[jovial tide]

well eating no

[fleet bramble]

an urge

[jovial tide]

more like procreation

yes

[fleet bramble]

so they have the urge to kill

[jovial tide]

but that doesnt mean people go and rape everyone in sight

[fleet bramble]

yeah I get that

[hard raft]

so do they get intense pleasure out of killing

[jovial tide]

Yes they do but they have every means to control that urge

no not pleasure

has nothing to do with pleasure

its like their duty as a being

[neat anchor]

So what’s the reward for killing?

[jovial tide]

That they are doing the duty for why they exist, to control the population

I guess

[neat anchor]

Hmm

[fleet bramble]

so if you get killed by one

is that... bad luck?

btw

[jovial tide]

Or maybe they could get satisfaction from killing people, it could be flexible

[fleet bramble]

do those have a name

would be easier to refere to

[hard raft]

if there are people with supernatural powers actively trying to thin out humanity, i feel like humanity wouldnt last very long

[neat anchor]

Oh yeah names

[hard raft]

like the population would get to teh right number pretty quickly

no?

[neat anchor]

For the species

[jovial tide]

Well Drap, they are still humans themselves, they just have special powers and are slightly different in their motivations, they still have morals, they can still be good people, have normal lives, families etc

So bad people with these powers would do it

Good people with these powers wouldnt

[hard raft]

ahhhh, so good people with these powers

[jovial tide]

Morally grey would find an alternative

[hard raft]

still seek out to kill

but they only kill people that "deserve" it in a sense?

[jovial tide]

They can choose to seek out people who deserve it yes

criminals

terrorists

[hard raft]

there was a while back i had an idea for someone who had to sacrifice a person every week, to keep some kind of disaster at bay, like maybe some sealed demon or whatever

so he would travel from city to city

and spend a week in each one

[fleet bramble]

drap that's a vault in fallout

[hard raft]

and by the end of the week he finds one person in each city worthy of killing

[jovial tide]

Lol

fr

[hard raft]

what's a vault in fallout

[neat anchor]

I don’t think Drap played Fallout

[fleet bramble]

yeah

[hard raft]

fallout is people surviving after nuclear war, right?

[fleet bramble]

well let's not get off topic

but one place is an experiment

they have to sacrifce people once in a while

or "something" happens

[neat anchor]

Right back to Devos stuff

[hard raft]

anyyyyyway, my point was that i think there are cool things you can do with a character that wants/needs to kill someone but doesnt want to

[fleet bramble]

yep

[hard raft]

i see doom

[neat anchor]

Indeed indeed

[fleet bramble]

make it a kill lottery

targets are drawn

and killers have to kill or they die

for example

[jovial tide]

Fallout is a post-nuclear war world and vaults where places where humans were sheltered, but most of those vaults were like social experiments and one of them had a computer system tell them that one person needs to be sacrificed each year/month or they will all die and when there were 5 of them left and decided to all die together the computer told them that the whole kill everyone thing was a lie and was never gonna happen @hard raft

[neat anchor]

That’s a sick idea Doom

[hard raft]

i was meaning like a story where a person goes to different places though, and since he has to kill someone, in each place he finds one person whose death would do the most good

ahhh i see devil

interesting

[fleet bramble]

drap

that's interesting

kinda like time travel movies

[neat anchor]

Oh that would bring a moral compass into play quite a lot

[jovial tide]

Anyway

So yeah

Heres my thing

[hard raft]

usually "the person whose death would do the most good" and "an evil person" are the same things, like criminals or evil people in that town, right? but maybe sometimes he would get into a situation where killing some good person as a martyr would be by far the best, and killing someone actually evil wouldn't help much, etc.

[jovial tide]

Any more questions before we move on?

[hard raft]

okay devil

about the drawing

[fleet bramble]

drap maybe someone is rigging the targets

well

[hard raft]

when he like makes the finger gun

is the gun made out of blood?

like blood that just looks like metal

[jovial tide]

yes

It doesnt look like metal

it looks red

[hard raft]

ohhhh

colors

[jovial tide]

just hardened

[neat anchor]

Ooohh

[fleet bramble]

I have a few so I'll list them:

1. What place is that mainly set in? Cities? How does the future look like?

[hard raft]

colors would help

[neat anchor]

Ok

[jovial tide]

the whole hand is red because its made of blood

[hard raft]

i thought blood was like godmode for him and he can just make any material out of it lol

[jovial tide]

@fleet bramble Cities, yes, think the size of New York

[fleet bramble]

2. What's his character like? Is he a clint eastwood cowboy like his look makes me belive?

[hard raft]

oh yeah, you said that people can do all kinds of things

but you didnt actually say what he will do

btw his name is Devos Hander right?

[jovial tide]

@hard raft I wanna play around the idea that he can make iron stuff too because of iron in the blood lol

For now yes Drap

[hard raft]

the problem devil is that you drew some blood as black and some as white

so i didnt know what was blood and what wasn't

so just color it red i guess lol

or is the black blood darker?

[jovial tide]

@fleet bramble His character is a vigilante-ish. He does underground stuff and topples organizations like the Mafia and such and whatever runs in to his way. He has a girl that the bad guys know about and its a threat that he'll get blackmailed because of it so he isnt always like a loose canon.

@hard raft The black blood is liquid

the "white" one is solid

like slightly brighter red

Like think dried/clotted blood and blood that was just drawn

its usually way darker

And as for his personality, I have a hard time deciding what it would be, but he wouldnt be a quiet edgelord, he'd have his own sense of humor, extrovert, would help a kid get his cat from the tree type of guy @fleet bramble

Btw his blood powers have the same logia-like intangibility

[fleet bramble]

that's cetainly interesting for a guy with murder powers

[neat anchor]

So his disposition

Goes against his instinct

Internal conflict of sorts

[hard raft]

well his instinct is to kill, it's not to hurt innocent people or anything

and it seems like his world has more than enough people worthy of death

by how devil explains it

[jovial tide]

He feels like he gets to satisfy the urge cleaning up a warehouse full of thugs easily enough

[neat anchor]

Ahh ok

[hard raft]

but anyway, if you want to make it a similar urge to procreation

then i think just flat out enjoying the activity is something that could be good

[fleet bramble]

so what's his endgame

[hard raft]

i mean people have a philosophical desire to procreate

[jovial tide]

He feels like that the world being populated with good people is better than just to kill anyone indiscriminately

[hard raft]

but they also just biologically like sex a lot

[fleet bramble]

if you had to end the story, what would it be like

[jovial tide]

I dont know

That part I didnt really think about because the ending of whatever I create usually comes to me mid-way

[fleet bramble]

you got some overarching goals?

[hard raft]

do you want some feedback on the drawing, dev?

[fleet bramble]

I guess stopping the blackmailers?

[jovial tide]

Sure

The overarching goal would be to get the "Cleansers" (or whatever you wanna call them) to selectively kill bad people and not just randomly everyone in their sight, he wants that the people with these powers would help the humanity as a whole reach higher states of civilization rather than put a ceiling to it

If humanity and the Cleansers worked together, science would go quicker and they'd have access to stuff like other planets and spaceships to house more people so the overpopulation problem would become irrelevant

[fleet bramble]

how can one achivie that though?

they are constantly created

[jovial tide]

They arent, people with these powers are pretty rare

[livid relic]

hello

[jovial tide]

And people would probably listen to those who can kill the entire human race in a week

[fleet bramble]

hey ho hypno!

[jovial tide]

And because of how his powers work, only specific amount of people with specific powers could kill him

And if those people are with him

Then he himself cant be touched, but he still has the danger of being left without any loved ones and completely alone in the world if he makes the wrong choices

[hard raft]

the two legs are kind of strange, it seems like one is bent and one is straight, but they start/end at the same distance. I guess the one facing us is bent too, but you didn't really show it, it might be easier to show that kind of thing if you had more folds.

in general i think this character would fit a less cartoony style, so the folds and fabric on his clothes should look more realistic IMO, look at some pictures of pants similar to the kind you want him to wear, and look at how they fold. don't just make it up as you go along, it doesn't work.

the curved belts on his top are a good way of showing the shape of his body, right now they don't really make any sense, it makes him look flat. Try to think of how his torso curves, and then have the belts go around that. It might be hard to explain what I mean without drawing over it.

as for making the shoulder look less flat (you asked earlier), that's also in the curves/folds of the fabric

[livid relic]

its 7am

[hard raft]

we can't see the shoulder, so we understand its shape by how the cloak interacts with it

[jovial tide]

If youre talking about his left shoulder then he doesnt have one

[hard raft]

i know hypno, unfortuantely wehn we started this, 3/4 of us were from europe, and Saboi has no problem with 7am, so this was the time decided...

[jovial tide]

its only his right

[hard raft]

no no im talking about his right shoulder

[jovial tide]

aight

[hard raft]

you asked how to make it look less flat, right?

[jovial tide]

Yeah well look tbh I kinda rushed the legs in the last hour

[fleet bramble]

oh art criticque?

I'll do a quick one

his arm

[jovial tide]

The left leg is stepping forward @hard raft

[fleet bramble]

and the cape

[jovial tide]

What about his arm?

[hard raft]

he doesnt have an arm

doom

[jovial tide]

His right arm doesnt have his hand either

half of forearm

[fleet bramble]

so the arm you drew is one he regrew?

[jovial tide]

yes

[fleet bramble]

I mena the sideshot

[hard raft]

yeah, he regrows his arm with blood

like aokiji's ice leg

[fleet bramble]

he still has a shoulder tho?

[jovial tide]

no

completely lost it

[fleet bramble]

then the cape falls flat down

[hard raft]

alright devil, next time you do a character like this you should draw the torso without the cape next to it, so that we have a better idea i guess

or explain ti with words, i only knew that he was missing an arm because i know the character

[jovial tide]

kinda like this

[fleet bramble]

that's pretty good to show how he looks like

[hard raft]

alright

good job dev ❤

is there anything else you want to discuss or should we move on to doom's character?

[jovial tide]

or this

[hard raft]

yeah i got it

[fleet bramble]

yeah

[hard raft]

alright then

doom post your character again

[livid relic]

Btw do i post mine when its my turn or now and well get to me

[hard raft]

we do it in turns

[jovial tide]

just do it on your turn

[livid relic]

Ok

[fleet bramble]

please ignore text that doesn't make sense

[hard raft]

it's ok that it wasn't proofread, i dont really care

but some of it im just not sure what you meant

the title is supposed to be It went beyond the Stars?

[fleet bramble]

yep

[hard raft]

alright

[fleet bramble]

like the story

[jovial tide]

Black comedy

[neat anchor]

So

[hard raft]

i have a few questions about the story

[fleet bramble]

sure

[neat anchor]

Is the same group that called him here the one that got rid of him

[jovial tide]

aight thats enough drawing for this year for me

[fleet bramble]

no

[neat anchor]

I didn’t think so but wanted to make sure

[fleet bramble]

he got awoken by some cult, tried to lay waste to eath, but people managed to lure him into a space shuttle

[jovial tide]

Does he eat

[neat anchor]

Ahh

[fleet bramble]

doesn't need to no

[jovial tide]

Why does he look like what he does?

[hard raft]

1. it seems like we're going for a "fish out of water" thing, or like a lot of the appeal in the story comes from him not understanding the world around him.
   but the readers don't understand the world either, i mean it's an alien world. Is the alien civilization going to be pretty human-like? What kind of aliens is it? Just like humans with horns or whatever, or is it totally different?

I think that if you have a really strange character, you need stuff the readers can hang on to, like "this civilization has schools/teachers/students, nurses, it's similar to a world i know", etc.

what do you think about that?

[jovial tide]

As in what are the origins to his looks

[hard raft]

i dont know why my head goes to "schools, teachers, students, nurses" when it comes to human-like stuff, lol

[fleet bramble]

devil's is faster to answer first

[hard raft]

okay

[fleet bramble]

originally it (or later, he) is a mass of tentacles and spongy matter

like you can see on the hands and legs

the long travel pretty much downsized it

so drap

yes

that's a focus of the story

how different cultuires act

[jovial tide]

does he talk?

[fleet bramble]

Al's just like the reader, pretty much cluseless to what's going on on many places

[hard raft]

yes devil

[fleet bramble]

so he has to learn

[hard raft]

yeah, but the reader comes in with human values

al doesnt know anything about human civilization either

[fleet bramble]

he talks but nobody understands it until he acquires a translator

[neat anchor]

What are some examples of the black comedy in the series we could expect?

[fleet bramble]

exactly drap

as for other races

they can look whatever

and Al will try to "mimic" them

the attire and the general look stay the same

just like the "glued on face"

[livid relic]

I don't know why but when you said Mass of tentacles I think of a more Cthulhu style creature

[fleet bramble]

yeah

that's a bit the idea

I mean Space + Demon

[hard raft]

about his legs

i don't think i understood it, because of the lineart

like there's an outline

but it's a mass of tentacles

[fleet bramble]

yeah I couldn't finish it

[hard raft]

is it just a bunch of tentacles, or is it like goo that contains tentacles

i mean is the outline an actual part of his design

or just a part of this drawing

[hard raft]

alright thats what i thought

cool

[fleet bramble]

the clothes are the remains of a space uniform

[hard raft]

and the teeth/torso area

like what is it

he has a big mouth there?

[fleet bramble]

the maw?

[hard raft]

yeah

like he just eats with that?

[fleet bramble]

that's without the "disguise"

and it's not that he needs to eat

it's just useful to quickly dispose of people

oh and Sky

examples for black comedy

[hard raft]

ohhhh shit like hte stuff on his "head" isn't always there?

[neat anchor]

Yes yes

[fleet bramble]

Al meets a girl and she wants him to reunite her with her family.

So he eats her.

because that's where the rest of the family is

yep drap

[livid relic]

i would suggest trying to leave the humanoid form and make his design more octopus like shape

[fleet bramble]

the head is just a mass

[neat anchor]

😂

Okay that got me

[jovial tide]

I dont really like the teeth in the stomach

[fleet bramble]

Hypno yes

that's the idea

when he meets other races

or really has to go all out

[jovial tide]

I feel like the design of this character is a bit too "creepy" to be a main character no?

[fleet bramble]

these thing change

that's the idea yeah drap

[hard raft]

i mean it's a surreal story, i think the design fits

i just worry that it'll be too much

[livid relic]

Like one of those comedies that you have something not human talking to actual humans and then a little piece of the humor is the fact that nobody reacts to the fact that it's not a human it's a weird creature they're talking to

[fleet bramble]

as the story prgoresses he gets less gross

[jovial tide]

Like I imagine this character to be like Iron Giant-esq where he has a kid or something as his moral compass

[hard raft]

do you show his personality just through action, doom?

[fleet bramble]

yes

[hard raft]

i thought he at least had that minimalistic face before

but it seems that it's hard for him to express himself at all

[fleet bramble]

hypno yes things like that

I thought of that

first of all there's the mask

for basic emotions

[hard raft]

i think you could come up wtih some things like how a dog shakes his tail when he's happy, yknow?

like have a little tentacle or behavioral tic

[fleet bramble]

I didn't think of that

ha

I like it

[neat anchor]

Well part of the story is reigniting your purpose right doom?

[hard raft]

and when he's developing his personality, it could start reacting to certain things

[livid relic]

Maybe if you go with the more like monster not human-looking one you can make another thing be that his emotions are the different colors he transforms into or something like that or patterns kind of like it how in assassination classroom the teacher changes into different colors and patterns depending on his mood

[fleet bramble]

hypno

I had no time for color 😄

[neat anchor]

That explains why he changes over time physically, to show an outward expression of change towards his purpose

[hard raft]

like you've seen wall-e, right doom?

[fleet bramble]

but he's supposed to glow from his belly

[livid relic]

No I know but I mean you could mention it

[fleet bramble]

so yeah

you follow him as he learns to communicate

but tbh since it's kinda diffcult to even go with words

[hard raft]

so in wall-e the world isnt human and the character isnt human, but we can empathize with him because he has cute little human mannerisms, like when he's upset his head goes down

i know this character is a total alien, but i think he needs some visual indicator, so that the viewer can have SOME kind of idea of his mental state

[fleet bramble]

it's not like there's no cast

he'll get an AI as translator

[hard raft]

alright

i think it's a really interesting premise

how does he fight?

like he's just a super strong alien?

slaps people around with his tentacle or whatever

[fleet bramble]

body horror

[hard raft]

i see

[neat anchor]

Yesssss

[jovial tide]

I still think he needs to look more "attractive" at least. Theres no reason why any natives wouldnt just immediately become hostile to him because of how he looks, idk about you but no matter how nice this guy acts I'd still feel uneasy around it. Theres nothing wrong with a design that looks like that on purpose, but I dont think its main-character material you feel me?

[fleet bramble]

they won't

because in space he's just another alien

[hard raft]

devil, i don't think it's about being appealing, he's trying to create a weird surreal world

[jovial tide]

Yeah but the readers arent aliens and they could easily get turned off by the design no?

[hard raft]

like dorohedoro i guess

[fleet bramble]

yeah

henche the black comedy

[neat anchor]

Dorohedoro is a perfect example

[fleet bramble]

also drap

as said

he's one amongst more people

for example

[hard raft]

and yeah devil, i agree that the readers could just be bored of him if he's too weird and unappealing, that's why im suggesting some ways for him to show his thoughts

[fleet bramble]

you think a demon that can't even speak can operate a space shuttle to travel?

[jovial tide]

Dorohedoro still has pretty attractive designs though

even if they are scary

[fleet bramble]

and yeah sky, purpose reignied, which is basically the final arc of the story

[neat anchor]

👍🏻

[jovial tide]

I dont mean to like bash on this thats not my intention 😅 it just doesnt look like a main character to me. The design itself is interesting though

[fleet bramble]

don't worry

it's a very reader alienating premise to begin with

[neat anchor]

I think that’s ok as long as you know what the goal of the series is

Which you seem to

You have a specific story you want to tell

[jovial tide]

the character would change how he looks over the course of the story right?

[fleet bramble]

yeah

becomming more refined

[hard raft]

i like it

i dont have much more to say on it

[fleet bramble]

please complain about the art

[livid relic]

I would simplify or tweak his design some more

[hard raft]

well it's an unfinished picture and he's an alien, there's not much you can complain about. for instance, the part where his right arm turns into a tentacle is kind of weird to me, but i don't know what that's SUPPOSED to look like, so i have no context

[fleet bramble]

that's fair drap

and yeah hypno I spurged a bit on the details

[hard raft]

hand/fingers seem a bit weird too, but again, it's not like they're supposed to look like an anatomically reasonable human hand

i will say that for this particular drawing though

it's a bit hard to see what's clothes and what's him

[fleet bramble]

yes

thank you

hypno you think I should cub details in general or just particular areas?

oh and drap, yeah it's supposed to be a crudely shaped hand

with the digits still not seperate

[livid relic]

I would suggest maybe giving him a stone headed statue thing he could hold and mime human motions with or anything to help readers to be able to more empathize or connect with him because normally people don't make aliens to foreign cuz it makes them harder to sympathize and connect with

[hard raft]

that seems like too much, since he doesnt TRY to mime human emotions i guess

i dont know

i think something like... just a body change that happens

[hard raft]

it could still be grotesque and weird, like growing a certain horn or spike or tentacle somewhere

yeah that's expressive doom but i thought those weren't really part of him?

[fleet bramble]

those aren't

[livid relic]

Like that

[fleet bramble]

it's a segmented mask

yeah

[livid relic]

That helps

[fleet bramble]

so yeah hypno what you suggest is kind what I tried

[livid relic]

I would still suggest to leave further into a wierd shape then a humanoid shape

[fleet bramble]

yeah

that's the plan for later bits

[hard raft]

the fucking like black button

[fleet bramble]

yeah I wanted to write nasa on it

[hard raft]

i wasnt sure how i felt about it first

[livid relic]

Maybe putting the mask on what would look like the back or chest

[fleet bramble]

but that was too cheesy

[hard raft]

like it makes his torso look like an epic meat boy face or something

[fleet bramble]

yeah

[hard raft]

but i decided it's too distracting, i dont know

that's just my opinion though

okay, should we move on to the next character?

@neat anchor @livid relic who wnats to go first?

[livid relic]

I feel i would like more concept art to see how he moves

[neat anchor]

I don’t mind either way. Hypno can go if he wants

[livid relic]

I came last

[hard raft]

alright then hypno go for it

[livid relic]

Saboi can go for it

[hard raft]

okay then sky go for it

[fleet bramble]

I'll do some later

[neat anchor]

Ok I suppose

[fleet bramble]

and thank you guys

[neat anchor]

It’s what the group is for 👌🏻

Okay get ready for not the best of what I drew but the last thing I had time for

[hard raft]

alriiight

@jovial tide get over here

[jovial tide]

yes

[neat anchor]

So, her name is Tess one of the 7 big players in my story. The diamond designs are for her job as a waitress at a casino that has all women and has a card suit design

[jovial tide]

all women

[neat anchor]

That’s the point, to draw men in

[hearty tide]

ALL WOMEN

[jovial tide]

ALL WOMEN GACHI

[neat anchor]

Anyway

[hard raft]

lol devil's already lining up at the door

[jovial tide]

Facts

Although I dont gamble

[fleet bramble]

so

[neat anchor]

The story revolves around 7 people in a futuristic, but not like overly so futuristic city like New York

[livid relic]

Make the bar tender a guy

[jovial tide]

let it be me

[livid relic]

A cool guy

[neat anchor]

The bar tender is a side character yes

[fleet bramble]

so how many years into the future?

[neat anchor]

I would say about 30 to 50

[livid relic]

2050

?

[jovial tide]

I just wanna say smth about the art, its very vertical, like the neck is a bit too long and the head is a bit too squished from the sides

[neat anchor]

Yeah she came out longer than Id hoped

And was actually one of the worst of the drawings I had but deadlines

Anyway

The story

So, in a futuristic city, I have 7 people who have lived completely different lives, but are connected all by an overarching theme: Loss

[fleet bramble]

so it's a depressing story?

[neat anchor]

The story does have plenty of action and mystery, with a whole agency thing I am working on and a special chemical that’s making it’s way in the black market

I wouldn’t say depressing

I personally have dealt with quite a bit of loss just in the past 5 years, so in a way the story is meant to dive deeper into the different ways one can experience loss as well as how they cope

In the case for Tess, she suffers a loss of identity, which is why I want the makeup at the casino to kind of give a plastic, doll like feel

[fleet bramble]

amnesia?

[neat anchor]

Nah

[fleet bramble]

also doll looks for a lack of identity is neat

[neat anchor]

She loses her sense of identity through mainly attrition of the life she had and the way the casino drains her

[fleet bramble]

what's her personality then

[neat anchor]

The Casino plays a huge role in the overall story as it’s where most the characters meet etc

[fleet bramble]

since wouldn't it kinda hollow?

[neat anchor]

When we first meet her, she actually isn’t working there yet

We meet her as a reporter

She’s inquisitive of course, bright personality, very infectious smile, positive generally

[livid relic]

So we're meeting her when she's fine and then it'll slowly be watching someone degress into a state of depression?

[neat anchor]

Yeah pretty much

[fleet bramble]

ah so we see the loss as it unfold

[livid relic]

[jovial tide]

Depression?

Isnt it loss of identity

[fleet bramble]

so I guess she reported on the agency

[neat anchor]

Depression is part of losing who you were, at least in this case

[jovial tide]

So does she get fired?

[neat anchor]

Well that’s why she went to the Casino

She hears about a potential tip for a story etc

Decides to a do a long piece of sorts

She does lose her job

She becomes obsessed with getting this story to the point that she doesn’t write anything and slowly becomes this hollow waitress at the Casino

[jovial tide]

what genre is this

[neat anchor]

It has some sci fi/fantasy elements. Mostly drama

[hard raft]

it's good to have a character that wants to find out as much as they can, it's a nice vehicle for the readers' desires

[jovial tide]

i assume for an older demo

[neat anchor]

It could be sure

I still want action in there, but it isn’t like a battle series or anything

[fleet bramble]

so that big scoop turns into soulgrinding business as usual

[livid relic]

I'll say that it does catch my interest

[neat anchor]

For Tess, yes it does

[jovial tide]

lol imagine a plot twist at the end where her being this whole waiter with no self identity was all played and then she writes the article and exposes the casino on something

jk

[hard raft]

are you going for something like pulp fiction or baccano i guess?

in terms of the events of the story

like a bunch of characters' lives intersecting

[neat anchor]

Actually yeah

[hard raft]

in the criminal world

alright

[neat anchor]

I have 6 other people to fully flesh out etc, have pieces of each

[hard raft]

well i think there's a lot of potential to make a premise like that fun/exciting, you should be careful that the story doesn't get TOO depressing/boring

[elder wasp]

So ur writing a story?

Saboi?

[jovial tide]

we all are

Yaboi

[elder wasp]

Oh wow

That’s cool

[neat anchor]

That’s the key Drap

[fleet bramble]

a lot of it is riding on the writing there

[neat anchor]

I don’t want it to become a slog fest of crying

[fleet bramble]

well 7 people

so

[hard raft]

well, not even just crying, if the characters feel soulless or apathetic then it falls apart

[fleet bramble]

there's a lot of potential

[hard raft]

it's OK for tess to be like that

[jovial tide]

Saboi question

[hard raft]

but just make sure the excitement is there

[fleet bramble]

do the 7 stories interlock with each other directly?

like uhm

crossover events?

[neat anchor]

They will Doom

[jovial tide]

Are you gonna make it obvious which characters are the 7 characters or would you make the readers speculate which one it is?

[fleet bramble]

actually

can you give me an example with Tess?

[hard raft]

anyway i have a bit to say about the drawing if you want to hear it

[neat anchor]

Well, there are 7 people you’ll mainly follow Devos. It’ll be obvious and example of like Tess and another character?

And sure

[livid relic]

Have intense conspiracies and cool gambling scenes that make u grip your teeth as you're like oh no

[neat anchor]

I plan on that for one of my characters for sure

[livid relic]

That can replace actual fights

[jovial tide]

this sounds like a long manga

[neat anchor]

I want some gunplay involved though

[jovial tide]

so when they all meet

what then

[livid relic]

Russian Roulette

[jovial tide]

oof

[neat anchor]

Not a bad idea

[livid relic]

Thats the gun play

For ur story

[jovial tide]

russian roulette between the 7 characters

[neat anchor]

Well, there is also the agency I am working on and the destructive chemical that is infused into different things like bullets

[fleet bramble]

who of the main cast dies

👀

[livid relic]

Only one gets out 👀

[neat anchor]

Like the opening scene is another character in a diner, sipping coffee, when a bullet shoots through the glass and kills the waitress

[jovial tide]

nooooo

[livid relic]

👀

[neat anchor]

Which has a chemical in the bullet that makes her twist and mangle her body then melt away

[jovial tide]

why you gotta do the waifu like that

[livid relic]

Thats a little much

[jovial tide]

or make her an ugly bitch that spits in the food

[livid relic]

I think its scarier if u keep it more real

[neat anchor]

Hmm

[jovial tide]

yeah im kidding

[neat anchor]

Maybe pull back on the chemical, make it something more like

An acid

[fleet bramble]

it really depends

[hard raft]

alright, so it's really flat, and that's fine because it's hard to portray three dimensional characters at your level.

But there are a few instances where it's not just your skill, but rather you're willingly shooting yourself in the leg with the flatness. The lines on her face with the diamond -- her cheeks are round, her face is not flat, so the lines should not be straight. It's hard to make a face look curved with nothing on it, but fortunately you have a trick with her face, you have these lines. You can use them to show the curve of her face, right now they almost look like strings hanging from her eyelids or something, they just shouldn't be straight at all.

Same thing goes for the necklace. The shape is too triangular, and it makes her neck look totally 2d. Have it curve around, think of the neck as a cylinder, look at some pictures of how similar necklaces curve around real necks, and you'll have a better idea.

Aside from that, there are things just dependent on your level. The face/hair/whatever could be more interesting, but it will improve with time, it's not a particular flaw of this drawing imo. If you want more specific advice, you can tell me what artists' style you would like to go for / emulate, and I'll try to draw over this to make it look more like that, to give you a direction to evolve your art. But it's just dependent on your level, it's OK, you'll improve with time, nothing can be done aside from practice.

[fleet bramble]

that weird accid is the hangup

[hard raft]

sorry that it's long

but i think there is some value in there

[neat anchor]

Drap

You’re a god send

[jovial tide]

drap give him

"The Treatment"

👀

[neat anchor]

And maybe I’ll remove the acid

Just go straight for

[jovial tide]

That you gave to me and Stray

[neat anchor]

A gang life kinda thing

Make my Italian forefathers proud

[livid relic]

👌

[hard raft]

my computer's headphone/mic stuff doesnt work at all right now, so i cant record a whole video, but i can draw over it like i did for you guys

[fleet bramble]

so you see that line?

that's where the nose goes along

[neat anchor]

Thank yoh so much

Honest to god

Thank you

[jovial tide]

i can never use these guidelines

[fleet bramble]

the other horizontal lines wrap around it like lines on a globe

[neat anchor]

I’ll begin her rework asap

See if I can’t use the tips here to improve her

Hopefully next Sunday I’ll have her and Zoey done

[jovial tide]

Zoey

[hard raft]

okay

cool

[jovial tide]

Drap

your turn

[hard raft]

hypno's turn

[jovial tide]

is next

[hard raft]

well i can go before hypno

@livid relic do you wanna go or should I?

[livid relic]

Flip a coin

[hard raft]

alright

[jovial tide]

ugh

[hard raft]

you first

heads was me, it came out tails

[jovial tide]

didnt even let him choose

[livid relic]

[hard raft]

my character is probably the least developed, so i can be last with no issue

oh wow MULTIPLE characters what

[jovial tide]

aight i didnt know that Hypno is the child of Radical Zero and that one other youtuber guy

[fleet bramble]

the small knight

they are all nice but they wee lad just

[hard raft]

first of all im so happy that you actually drew the character in different situations

[neat anchor]

Hypno holy damn

[jovial tide]

This looks like the typical RPG

[fleet bramble]

so he's an explorer?

cartographer?

[livid relic]

Okay so the story I made is about an adventure / treasure hunter who's a little bit selfish, ambitious, and strong-willed who ends up falling in love with the princess of his kingdom but puts it in his head that all he needs is a lot of money to win her over thus he ends up leaving his kingdom after stealing a magic sword from the kingdom and heads out to hunt for treasure and on his journeys he'll have to fight a bunch of monsters

[jovial tide]

Wizard, Princess, Warrior

A very western story

[neat anchor]

I like that premise

A lot

[jovial tide]

I like it

[hard raft]

it's a nice simple premise

[neat anchor]

It has a damn good foundation for a long running series

[hard raft]

the character makes it less cliche almost, i dont know, he looks too rough to be the kind of guy that does this

so it's charming

that he is

[fleet bramble]

tell me more about him

[jovial tide]

Oh wait that knight isnt the main character

damn it

I really felt like that tiny knight is the perfect main character and we never see his face

besides his helmet

lmaoo

[hard raft]

nah the main character is the one that has four poses obviously lol

[neat anchor]

I want to know more about all of it in general. So many questions

[jovial tide]

yes

[fleet bramble]

that explorer has some nice detail with the bandaid and the patches. helps convey that it's a brawler, yeah?

[livid relic]

At the start of his adventures after leaving the kingdom with his sword the p the princess and the king of wind up having to hire a bounty hunter assassin who will end up trying to take his head meanwhile he'll be meeting a douchebag wizard who has captured a little boy who wears an oversized Knights helmet and is indebted to the wizard he ends up stealing the boy and taking him on his adventures with him

[neat anchor]

So the wizard is the asshole

[jovial tide]

that wizard doesnt look like a douche bag

he looks like a nice old man

lol

[fleet bramble]

so a sidekick

now I know what it reminds me off

Animal Crossing actually

[livid relic]

The fact that the wizard looks like a nice old man is part of the ruze don't trust him he is a douchebag

[jovial tide]

Is this like a kids cartoon

Because thats the vibe im getting

[neat anchor]

Hypno has a unique style and I am in love with it

[livid relic]

Yeah instead of making it super anime I want with a simpler design so I could make the characters a lot easier in a lot faster without having to worry about too much stuff that I would have to for in anime style

So has a mixture of a cartoonish anime style more on the cartoon of side but a very anime style theme

[neat anchor]

Question

Will humor ensue

[hard raft]

obviously

[jovial tide]

Yeah cartoon style is a lot easier

[neat anchor]

Follow up question: do we get to see a lot of kingdoms?

[jovial tide]

and I hate anime style 😂

[livid relic]

A lot of people in this world outside of kingdoms are very crazy so yes humour I will definitely sue for example the wizard is always trying to sue you over any little thing for example if you touch his stuff you'll say you broke it what you didn't but he insist upon it

[fleet bramble]

now I want to see what monsters would go along with that

[hard raft]

you've seen some of his monster designs

they're great

[livid relic]

The monsters from my sketch book

[neat anchor]

😯😯😯

What’s that called??

[fleet bramble]

yeha I remember that one

[jovial tide]

I would like the 2nd more if it wasnt done so many times already, the art is beautiful though

as for the 1st one tho

[neat anchor]

Oh that reminds me a little of the Skullta from Zeldaaa

[jovial tide]

damn

[fleet bramble]

I'd love something like the spider waiting for the adventurer to run into her net

[jovial tide]

looks like a hermit crab/snail

[fleet bramble]

but he takes so long it just gets more and mor epissed

[livid relic]

So throughout his adventures not only will he encounter the wizard and then the boy with the big Knights helmet that he ends up recruiting as a sidekick but you'll also have to keep fighting off that one assassin the king keep sending after him along with his Guild along with Dragons he also ends up meeting a giant lady along with the whole tribe of giants multiple different kinds of dragons man eating monkeys packs of magic wolves different Elementals all to just get a bunch of gold

[jovial tide]

The power of boners

is strong in this one

[neat anchor]

It’s like

[fleet bramble]

man eating monkeys

fucking sold

[neat anchor]

Such a good premise

[hard raft]

it seems like you have all of it figured out

[neat anchor]

Why hasn’t a manga come out like this before?

[hard raft]

i actually dont have much to add or ask at all

[fleet bramble]

well they story is pretty basic and serves as hangup for a particular mood yeah?

[livid relic]

What do you guys think of his design

[jovial tide]

Im more surprised why a manga that shows actual historic events hasnt come out yet so that I could read it instead of going to history lessons

[neat anchor]

Hetalia is an anime you could watch

[livid relic]

I didn't get to add it but one of his hands the one on his left is also a grappling hook hand maybe I might take that out

[jovial tide]

Im sure it doesnt show everything with 100% accuracy but anyway

[neat anchor]

I love the design, Hypno I wanna see it in color

[livid relic]

Actually was going to color it andink it but I fell asleep

[hard raft]

it's hard to say hypno, it's a simple design but i think it's supposed to be

[neat anchor]

Simple can be memorable

[hard raft]

i like that you have a clear idea of what his facial structure is

[neat anchor]

Look at Luffy

[fleet bramble]

I like the design a lot since it's simple but memorable enough

[hard raft]

his eyebrows

are drawn differently in the side view picture

[fleet bramble]

well yeah one thing I question

so he's weaing a chestpiece

and while he looks beaten

and his pants do

that thing looks pretty new

same with the gauntlets

[livid relic]

Its a poncho cloth thing over a chest plate

And yeah i see what u mean

He needs more wear and tear

[hard raft]

this isnt necessarily a problem

[fleet bramble]

it's not a problem naw

[hard raft]

but i dont really like how the front of his shirt

[fleet bramble]

it's just

[hard raft]

has a star

[fleet bramble]

where he got it from etc

[hard raft]

and the back has the same star in a circle

[fleet bramble]

also why that many maps?

they kinda stick out

[livid relic]

Ill oh my bad

Thats a mistake

[hard raft]

wait what's a mistake

[livid relic]

The circle

[hard raft]

oh

so he just has a star on both sides?

[livid relic]

Yeah

[hard raft]

i see

but then

when he puts it on

how does he know which side is which

im kidding it doesnt really matter

[livid relic]

Exactly

[hard raft]

i just personally like clothes that are recognizable from both sides

[livid relic]

"It's an adventurer's Poncho able to be worn From the Inside Out the outside in or even backwards" was what the lady that sold it to him said

[hard raft]

ohhhhh

okay

then that's cool

yes

[fleet bramble]

well the star looks nice as future magical pendant or something

[hard raft]

i mean yeah it gives that sense

that's why it's good as an adventurer's poncho

[livid relic]

He's the sidekick

[hard raft]

what is he holding

[livid relic]

He's a little incompetent and naive but he's sometimes accidentally helps out

[fleet bramble]

that crystal ball has to shatter

[livid relic]

He's holding a magic ball it's supposed to be the Wizards so I still need a design them without the magic ball I just put it in there cuz I was like the wizard that's where you meet the little boy that was there trick them into working for him for free

[hard raft]

i see i see

okay

i like his pants

[livid relic]

Should there be any like other somewhat genericy types of characters that i should add

[fleet bramble]

yes

the asshole paladin

[livid relic]

Ok

[fleet bramble]

and I suppose a rogue?

people love them

[hard raft]

we can do a session more on the world/characters/worldbuilding next week

[livid relic]

Ok

[fleet bramble]

first we need to roast you tho drap

[neat anchor]

Drap turn

Let’s see it

[hard raft]

oh i have a turn

i thought i was just the organizer

okay

[fleet bramble]

well good job drap

em

hypno

[livid relic]

Yes?

[neat anchor]

Someone is puking right near my store room

😑

[livid relic]

Ew

[neat anchor]

I hate over time

[fleet bramble]

those are stuff primed for something like a game hypno

[hard raft]

alright so i was going to do more

[fleet bramble]

oh

[neat anchor]

It is Hypno

[hard raft]

but like everyone else, i didnt really respect the deadline and didnt end up having time

[neat anchor]

Deadlines are the devil sometimes

[hard raft]

when i tried inking the character, the ink was pretty runny too, so i dont really have a single serious drawing of him yet

but here it is