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#art
vivid abyss
glossy mango
They cant properly function when they have to do something themselves it seems
glossy mango
You dont have to. Draw a fucking terrarium if you want
vivid abyss
^basically everything yeh
compact drum
that's like saying make the theme minecraft so you can draw anything because in minecraft you can build anything
tight gulch
As someone who hasn't played the game you don't get any of that
glossy mango
You get all of that by just googling
tight gulch
I have played terraria and if I were to partake I'd like to draw a memory from playing
compact drum
^
glossy mango
takes 30 seconds tops
tight gulch
That makes it more personal and not just a piece of paper
vivid abyss
Well then there are a lot of themes we won't ever get in this group if you guys expect us to find themes everyone knows of and are interested in..
compact drum
Fantasy survival opens more paths!
Not just the 2D
it gives a whole world you can think of
tight gulch
Not thag everyone is interested in, but rather knows of
glossy mango
It was a good theme when ppl who arent whiny bi-censored participated
tight gulch
Devil that was because we didn't think of the whole
compact drum
Okay now we're really getting off track
Theme -> I dont' get theme -> google -> doesnt make sense -> just make it in my own style then
that's what you're saying now stray
tight gulch
I thought it sounded good because I had put in too many hours in it, but not everyone has
compact drum
not off topic I said off track
glossy mango
doesnt make sense
Makes perfect sense tho
compact drum
from the things I googled I have seen 3 eyeball monsters because I paid attention to that after you said so
the rest is just buildings that people made
that's so much text
compact drum
way more than 5 min
glossy mango
you are just making shit up now
tight gulch
Thank you, rad^
compact drum
I want a theme and make something out of that theme that I thought of
whatever the opinions are just different here I suppose
I get it stray
you think terraria is fine
I think it's too specific
I get it
tight gulch
Do we need to call daddy drap? 👀
compact drum
I already pinged him earlier haha
glossy mango
Drap wont even respond
because a childish argument was brought up
by one of the mods
compact drum
STRAY I GET IT
tight gulch
Stray stop posting that link
I have played the game
It's a big ass game
You're cluttering the chat
glossy mango
it is
tight gulch
I just think it wasn't necessary to continue linking terraria stuff
compact drum
WOW ok can't even have an opinion anymore, I just calmly say I think it's too specific and I get attacked from 3 sides
tight gulch
"explain"
compact drum
no devil has literally attacked me
and you kept spamming links after I said I got your point
white tree
devil isn't smart
compact drum
devil has kept on saying it's not his problem and kept spamming cry emojis because I have a different opinion
tight gulch
It feels like devil became personally offended because not everyone wanted to join in on his specifically worded theme
white tree
let's start bandwagoning
glossy mango
Tj is one of those rich bitches who got their parents to fly him through life without any obsticles and now thinks that everything will happen according to him. This challenge's point is to let ppl make something of their own even if they have a hard time. Stop complaining about every little shit you can draw and actually put in effort into stuff you cant draw because thats the point of this challenge
opaque peak
everyone calm down and go take a fucking break
white tree
Usopp is fun to draw
white tree
ye his new design looks dope
white tree
it's funny
tight gulch
It's for future themes
white tree
what's even the caps for
glossy mango
lol
white tree
rule violation
glossy mango
🔨
white tree
is this what it feels like to be a felon
Holy shit that hammer is right above me
I'm gonna post my art soon
tight gulch
But we can talk about not picking non-inclusive themes in the future?
white tree
These art challenges are very cool
tight gulch
Non-inclusive and specific is something I don't regard as the same thing
glossy mango
its for getting better
no
thats what the point of this was
so it shouldnt matter what you should actually draw
aight
im stopping
yeah
hard raft
hey i mean we are all adults here im sure you guys can figure it out but im trying to stick to a schedule so im going to bed now and will read what happened tomorrow
night
tight gulch
gn
glossy mango
was about to say something but that would only initiate another heated argument so I just wont :^)
tight gulch
Thank you for being so considerate
sinful galleon
glossy mango
sounds like a fucked up let it go parody
Rad, as ironic as it sounds, you are acting less mature than me now.
sorry
Rad-
tight gulch
First time I saw it I thought it was 2d minecraft, but as I started playing I realised it was its own thing
glossy mango
Rad
do you think this is a motherfucking game?? Do you think
that we do this to just fuck around??
No nigga
we do this to get better
tight gulch
Rad didn't post that to start another fricking argument Dev
white tree
I guess anything can be a point of contention
tight gulch
Let's just wait until drap can have a word in this
white tree
I'm confused
tight gulch
Because as proven we can't come up with a sound reasoned preposition everyone agrees upon
glossy mango
I care what a random nutter on the internet thinks about me
tight gulch
I didn't mean to speak for him
Meanwhile when all this took place I drew my boy, Guzma
glossy mango
Looks like Ezreal
white tree
guzma is amazing
glossy mango
white tree
the best team is plasma ofc
tight gulch
I thought team skull was pleasingly wholesome
No they weren't, aether was
Team skull was just a gang of misfits
I love them all
glossy mango
Team Rocket >>>>
tight gulch
Team rocket are also nice
white tree
I like their outfits the most
tight gulch
white tree
but I don't really remember anything they did
tight gulch
Suprise I drew two guzmas
glossy mango
Team Magma and Team Aqua were retarded tho
tight gulch
Didn't expect that did you
compact drum
team magma and team aqua made no sense
tight gulch
Flash? Or something
Flare!
Team Flare
Yeah I agree, those didn't feel genuine imo
I couldn't connect to their cause
glossy mango
"HHahaahaHA! We will awaken the two most powerful creatures that shaped the earth's continents and oceans! What? What do you mean it just destroyed the island? Why is there a huge typhoon coming towards us?"
tight gulch
I fully stand with team skull with their mission on capturing bus stops
That felt a little weird to type out
glossy mango
dead game
imma go watch some Zelda shit even though I dont play the game
see ya
i fucking
look up the youtubers vids
and I find thi
white tree
lol
glossy mango
Where is this shit even from
Zelda?
yes
imma watch the vid
looks lame idk
Aah
well it is old
Is that sexual harrassment?
white tree
yes
sour fableBOT
glossy mango
Im surprised he doesnt know
glossy mango
Basically this extreme feminazi bitch comes up to a guy and asks his name and he was telling a dad joke
white tree
that was everywhere last year
glossy mango
saying his name was "Hugh Mongous"
and shes like "Humongous what? Is that sexual harrassment?"
"THIS MAN, JUST SEXUALLY ASSULTED ME"
and she screams off the top of her lungs
jovial tide
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THAT DISCUSSION
WHY IS IT SO LONG
first discussion i cant get to read
WHY ARE YOU EVEN ARGUING ABOUT THIS???
THis whole complaint about terraria is
like
why suggest the theme POKEMON
WHILE YOU CAN SAY ANIMALS
REALLY NIGGA
its on this level
specific themes are good
and terarria is in no way being overly specific
the challange is meant to challenge your creativity
tij you are just making excuses to not be creative
is it so hard
to go into the wiki
read 1 sentence
look 1 pic
and make something from your mind?
you can draw anythign from castles, 2d stuff, 3d stuff, whatever you wish as long as it has anything that is remote with terarria
i made my jojo bizare adventure from a pic that red showed me, that had only the head of the charracter and it was enough for all the time of the challenge
white tree
late
jovial tide
I could suggest a possible solution
Ambigue themes must be drawn without references
Thematic - franchises and more specific themes must be with a more time so a person can put his creativity to the test
ITS A CHALLENGE ITS MEANT TO BE HARD, FUN AND BENEFITICAL!!!
hard raft
@calm chasm @glossy mango @jovial tide @jovial tide @compact drum @tight gulch
(If you don't care for the wall of text, just look at the TL;DR at the end.)
Alright so I read everything that was said, and this is what I have to say:
-
We should be above insulting each other, let's not do that anymore. I just don't think there's a point to purposely trying to make other people feel bad here.
-
I started the art challenge because I wanted to draw. I was talking to Stray about wanting to draw and not knowing what, and we decided we'd both draw something together under a time limit. So I was like... I don't know, what are you feeling like drawing today? And since it's Stray, she wanted to draw something with dogs. And then she said that 'Spring' is a good theme, as well. Then, in what would later become a common occurrence, I drew a barefoot character and she drew a dog, and we were happy. We liked the idea so we decided to do it again the next day, and we did. On the third day, though, we mentioned it in #art to someone, and thought other people might be interested, so I invited everyone I know as an artist on the server. TJ and Cam joined. And then we just kinda kept doing it every day, and some days more people would join, some day less people.
At the core of it, that feeling of, "hey what are you feeling like drawing today?" is what drives the challenge for me. After all, we all like drawing, and most of us don't draw every day, sometimes we end up going weeks without drawing. I want the challenge to make it easier and more fun to draw today, not less fun. That's why I was always partial to the idea of discussing what the theme should be, with the most active participants, before going @ Artists and telling everyone what the theme is today.
So yeah, overall I am definitely on the "theme should allow everyone to find something they really want to draw that still fits the theme" side, no questions there. However, I agree that these challenges are meant to help us improve. But I don't think that means we should be just drawing whatever.
Let me explain:
My goal is to be able to draw manga. For that, I could certainly benefit from a lot of things, but the things I would benefit the most from is making black&white inked manga drawings of characters, backgrounds, etc., because that's the bulk of what drawing manga involves. Now I could certainly benefit from drawing other stuff, but to me, those are the things that are most important for the sake of progress towards my goal.
I'm not gonna go into it, but just as examples: Stray's goal involves improving her skills in digital art and character/creature drawing, Rad's desires align with drawing cartoon characters, etc.
So I don't think we should have themes that you can do only if you make an abstract picture, or a digital picture, or a picture on paper, or one of Devil's mom's teacups or whatever. In order for people to improve, I think the theme should allow for them to draw whatever it is they personally feel brings them closer to their goal. I'm sure we could all benefit from being forced to draw something we don't want to, but I don't think that's what this challenge is for.
(that's what I have to say regarding style-specific themes, such as the doodle theme we've had, and a suggestion for themes such as 3d modeling in the future, etc)
Regarding the major stuff discussed today, i.e. themes based on franchises:
My final verdict on the matter is this: If you absolutely feel that a seemingly uninclusive theme is actually open to a lot of people, then when choosing the theme, ping all Artists and see who is interested in doing the challenge that day. If everyone is convinced that they can draw something they want, and the challenge gets their creative juices going, then great. In general I will say that themes based on franchises are not something that everyone can draw, but hey -- if in fact the theme allows for people to draw what they want after all, then I don't care. For something like Terraria, it could only be a theme if everyone agreed that they can find something they want to draw, in their own way, that fits the theme. If it gets to the point that we aren't capable of deciding a theme in a friendly way like we've done up until now, we'll have to take turns choosing themes, and there would be strict guidelines as to what themes are acceptable, excluding franchises altogether. I think it's more fun to just let whoever come up with a theme as we've done until now, but it seems there might not be enough capacity for civil discussion to keep that up.
NOTE: Also, I am not participating these days since I'm trying to draw my one-shot full time. Stray will be the authority when I am not here, because she is active on here, and she is the one who started the challenge with me. If I am not here and you guys need someone with 'authority' on the challenge to make a final decision, she will decide, while keeping in mind what I wrote about what this challenge is supposed to be.
hard raft
TL;DR: yeah i understand the side of "franchises arent inclusive" and also "but terraria is actually pretty inclusive". if everyone can agree that the theme allows them to draw something they want to draw, then it's inclusive. if not, then it's not inclusive. discuss themes with people before deciding. if we can't peacefully do that, then we will not ever have franchises.
eager bloom
Why is everyone writing long ass paragraphs
glossy mango
compact drum
Well said drap 😊
glossy mango
Since Drap is busy working on his manga, send the drawings to me instead of Drap since he gave me permission to edit the Dropbox and the scores.
eager bloom
nice profile pic
eager bloom
who wouldn't
jovial tide
TO THIS?
glossy mango
Wolfie knows
eager bloom
it's really good thou
radiant spruce
eager bloom
usopp is a qt
radiant spruce
Is that it?
radiant spruce
If you edit it will edit the pin
glossy mango
ah aight
radiant spruce
Just take away the "not" and it should be fine
white tree
I don't think my Usopp is good enough
glossy mango
fixed it
radiant spruce
Ah ok dope
glossy mango
rivermoon
do you want me to add these to the "Doodle" theme?
for how long did you draw it?
white tree
it took me 4 minutes
white tree
just pm the same picture?
tight gulch
we wanna decide on a theme? ~~~
compact drum
can I tonight?
tight gulch
Sure thing
compact drum
I'd like something space related
eager bloom
oooh
compact drum
not sure, you guys can decide on that one
tight gulch
How about 1.5 hours?
glossy mango
space is actually reserved for when I get my monitor
so choose something else
drap agreed on it
compact drum
huh?
🤔 but the majority agreed
just kidding, we can switch themes no problem
what about desert
like the sand one
glossy mango
Desert is safe
eager bloom
are egyptian gods n stuff allowed
glossy mango
yes
About the franchise thing
I like Strays idea
on doing a theme and then giving bonus points for drawing about a certain game or something
glossy mango
yeah
eager bloom
i don't really get the franchise thing sorry ^^;
glossy mango
aight
jovial tide
exactly
right now points show participation
you could say that's like your determination
glossy mango
hows our little TJ feeling about this idea? :))
jovial tide
the bonus points can be your will to learn and try, more than just enjoy
jovial tide
hey, are flash games made with adobe animate now?
glossy mango
idk
i gtg
Stray is prob running the challenge
or Kab
whoever shows
Send the drawings to me <@&292044333660766208> after you are done
jovial tide
xD loool
glossy mango
Did you do it Kab?
compact drum
lool
glossy mango
do it then
compact drum
no today is a different theme
glossy mango
So?
compact drum
I want everyone to draw together it's more fun that way
that's what I really like to do
when I know others are doing the same thing
glossy mango
You do realize that ppl are allowed to do past themes right?
tiny osprey
Is the daily challenge updated?
compact drum
but aren't we gonna start the current challenge soon?
tiny osprey
Cool cool
compact drum
someone said 1,5hr I think
glossy mango
I didnt mean like right now when i said do it
Stray
we are gonna implemet your idea
Rad agreed
Yes
jovial tide
ynred wanted an hour and a half, i want an hour
jovial tide
he will like it
glossy mango
yeah
glossy mango
for what
compact drum
Idk I want to program something
compact drum
something useful is really fulfilling
tiny osprey
Oh good
sour fableBOT
Player: :right_facing_fist:
VS
DekuBot: :raised_hand:
- You Lose!```TJ for what do you need a bot here
compact drum
welp
glossy mango
I can keep the score
compact drum
with the bonus point
compact drum
if we store it on a text file it'll be stored on rodder's hosted machine
and we can just call it through a command
compact drum
not the participating points
just the bonus point
because one is the amount of times you participated and one is the points you get from participating
jovial tide
so normal points show how much challenges you have made
compact drum
didn't you want that?
glossy mango
I said it the same way you suggested
compact drum
You can't just have one drawing count as 3 participations
jovial tide
bonus show increased difficulty challenges
compact drum
that's different points
tight gulch
That's exactly that was gonna get implemented
glossy mango
not on the same page
compact drum
uhm stray
white tree
I wish I could commit to learning programming
but it takes too much effort
so I just fall short
tight gulch
We need a daily programming thing during summer
compact drum
Don't think I do it often too
tight gulch
I need to learn too
compact drum
but I get alot of motivation if I can do something people will use
compact drum
DAILY PROGRAMMING?
white tree
Frankly it's too fickle
glossy mango
Stray
white tree
So I don't rely on motivation for anything
compact drum
Have you guys heard of codingame.com ?
glossy mango
scroll up to Rads wall of text
white tree
no
glossy mango
@jovial tide
tight gulch
Do tell
glossy mango
He said why separating them is ok
compact drum
you program a little bot that will play a game and it'll compete against other bots
tight gulch
That sounds fricking amazing
white tree
I still probably couldn't do it
compact drum
you can decide your own coding language too
tight gulch
I would feel so motivated to wreck other peoples asses
compact drum
I believe our entire class played it once
glossy mango
im out
glossy mango
gl on the challenge
compact drum
have fun deivl
glossy mango
fun? This shit aint fun
tight gulch
Btw, shall we set a time for the desert theme?
glossy mango
This is torture
compact drum
good luck then I suppose
glossy mango
Two columns
glossy mango
oh I thought not counting the name one
tight gulch
Fourth for a total?
compact drum
you can include bonus and total together
glossy mango
if you count everything then we need 4
tight gulch
Or should we run with that?
glossy mango
Bi
jovial tide
isthere a need for total?
compact drum
lol
compact drum
just record things seperately and it'll be fine
glossy mango
so you bitches can just draw without a worry in your head
compact drum
we can calculate total ourselves
tight gulch
Geez stray, we aren't even arguing
compact drum
this chat is really turning into a clownfiesta
glossy mango
The total is irrelevant. You draw for experience, not for points
jovial tide
glossy mango
the points are only here to give you more motivation with rewards
compact drum
I love the chart
jovial tide
glossy mango
Rewards = Motivation
compact drum
Let's keep this discussion for later
glossy mango
Stray thats obvs
tight gulch
Is starting in an hour fine?
jovial tide
its your theme
compact drum
I was thinking of a bonus for a mummy
jovial tide
a mummy?
compact drum
yeah the toilet paper guys
jovial tide
randomly in the desert
compact drum
yeah, something like that
jovial tide
ok thats good enough
glossy mango
I thought we were doing bonuses for franchises?
eager bloom
does it count if something is half mummified
jovial tide
y
glossy mango
not all challenges have to be with bonuses
compact drum
well I mean how will the non franchise themes get a bonus then
compact drum
that'd be unfair
jovial tide
glossy mango
how is it unfair
jovial tide
why?
eager bloom
maybe like every 2 weeks or so
white tree
a clownfiesta?
tight gulch
Why should challenge points be limited?
white tree
I'm the biggest clown here
glossy mango
The bonus points are for drawing something out of your comfort zone, not something you would draw anyway
compact drum
why only franchises, a mummy is pretty specific too
not everyone likes to draw mummies
unless you want somethign more specific
but then we're too narrow
glossy mango
Thats what the bonus points are for
compact drum
wa
tight gulch
Clownfiesta is one of the best terms
glossy mango
Im for bonus points being given only for drawing Franchises
compact drum
we made a theme but devil doesnt like the idea of applying a bonus to a theme that isnt a franchise
white tree
call this Walmart's bargain bin
glossy mango
not random stuff you would draw anyway
tight gulch
Terraria isn't out of someones comfort zone, it is specific, and so is mummies
eager bloom
maybe the bonus should be (Adjective) (Noun) or an action the character has to be drawn as?
glossy mango
Terraria and Mummies are completely different
tight gulch
I like wolfies idea
compact drum
Devil stop overcomplicating things, this can work
eager bloom
thanks ynred for appreciating me c':
glossy mango
Then the bonus point is rightfully earned
jovial tide
idea is that thats a bonus detail
glossy mango
since you would draw that anyway
jovial tide
something specific is good
white tree
Wolfie's idea is good ye
tight gulch
Everyone deserves a shoutout every now and then
glossy mango
isnt rightfully earned**
jovial tide
mummy is specific enough
glossy mango
why get a bonus point for a fking mummy
glossy mango
Then dont
jovial tide
in a desert
compact drum
@jovial tide give us the final word, can mummy be a bonus yes or no
jovial tide
its a bonus detail
glossy mango
TJ you are so fucking annoying you know that?
compact drum
and close this discussion once and for all
jovial tide
so you get a bonus for it
tight gulch
@glossy mango no need for such harsh words
glossy mango
kys
jovial tide
we dont
tight gulch
I questioned that
jovial tide
it wont
tight gulch
Why the points should be limited
compact drum
I said it's unfair that non-franchised themes are not allowed to have a bonus
jovial tide
tij is just bitching
compact drum
and now we can
so the discussion is over
Let's all calm down now haha
<@&292044333660766208> Theme: Ancient Egypt.
Bonus points: Attacking Mummy
We will start in 30 minutes, is that okay with everyone?
jovial tide
stray, are you managing the challenge today?
compact drum
I'll just take over for today
white tree
This room wasn't like this two days ago
compact drum
oh I thought you left
jovial tide
xD
compact drum
sorry
compact drum
if you want to host it go for it stray
glossy mango
fuck you TJ in particular
compact drum
??
white tree
😦
compact drum
haha
glossy mango
Fuck you for everything that happened in these past two days
compact drum
Battle of the hosts
white tree
drink coca cola
compact drum
@tiny osprey are you gonna join today?
glossy mango
Speak like a normal fucking person Rad dont try to act super smart by using all these long words
compact drum
he normally talks like this
white tree
it's kind of annoying
glossy mango
It is
white tree
but w/e
tight gulch
So basically, today is a reverse case form yesterday's case
jovial tide
in one breath?
hard raft
im glad we're managing well
glossy mango
Good
white tree
I find them both equally irritating
jovial tide
drap
tight gulch
We're doing the best we can
jovial tide
points
jovial tide
do you approve of bonus points
compact drum
I still don't know why you hate me this much
hard raft
yeah i dont mind bonus points for doing something more specific
jovial tide
for extra detail
hard raft
maybe half a point
jovial tide
nah another column
compact drum
I never insulted anyone I hope?
glossy mango
Im sorry but I just have to let this out
jovial tide
just for bonus points
glossy mango
or i will die from the inside
white tree
iluvu TJ
glossy mango
Im ok with all of you just dropping dead
hard raft
you are one of the top participants so youe opinion is important to me
eager bloom
can't we just cancel todays challenge til everyone calms down?
tight gulch
That makes me a bit sad
glossy mango
Im surprised
hard raft
also strays not the only one with a shirtless law picture for a change
tight gulch
I have a hard time uncovering the real point behind the insults
eager bloom
same
compact drum
Have we ever seen law shirtless?
hard raft
i dont understand why there are people on earth that have social media profiles that dont have a shirtless law display pic tbh
yeah doesnr he have a bunch of tattoos
like a pattern with a heart?
tight gulch
I would be disappointed in Goda if we haven't
compact drum
Is everyone okay with starting in 20 minutes?
glossy mango
Rads been writing my point for a while hell im even interested myself what its gonna be
compact drum
Or does anyone need more time
hard raft
im trying to understand what the discussion was about
compact drum
It started out when devil didn't like the idea of non-franchised based themes getting a bonus
and then when I said I did want it, stray mistook that point as a "we have to get a bonus every day"
but that was my error
I formulated it wrong
so there was confusion
glossy mango
Im saying that a bonus point for "Mummies" isnt specific enough to be worth a bonus point. Instead im saying that something really specific that would make ppl google like game franchises or movies would be more worth a bonus point.
tight gulch
No, I asked why we couldn't have it every day
Why make challenge points limites? I don't think it's a must, but why should they be rare?
glossy mango
Because they are bonus points
tight gulch
I said rare
compact drum
If you read my ping I said attacking mummy
glossy mango
for ppl who want to draw something HARD
compact drum
the goal of bonus is to get out of comfort zone
and a mummy in a specific motion
can be hard to draw
hard raft
you undersrand that if you want to draw extra you can already just draw old entries again
and im very lenient about what i accept
its not like getting more points is hard
jovial tide
glossy mango
drap this is a way for us to implement franchises in to the challenges like Terraria or Jojo
jovial tide
hard raft
yeah i understand
glossy mango
so that ppl who dont watch them could draw them and ppl who do could draw them for a bonus point since they drew it harder
hard raft
alright i agree, bonus points should only exist as a method of including specific themes
i dont think they should be all that conmon
tight gulch
That sounds fair
compact drum
Uh, can I just say something
hard raft
but also like this art challenge is kind of like my pet project to try to bring positive influence here
compact drum
I wanted to make the theme mummy originally
hard raft
so can we avoid being dicks to each other
compact drum
but then made it desert so it's okay for everyone
with mummy as bonus
so with this logic
hard raft
ah, i see.
glossy mango
Or just make it Mummies
because nobody gave a fuck if someone wanted to draw a cherry blossom or another rrandom fucking tree
tight gulch
Noooooooo, stop bringing that upppp
hard raft
listen the "too specific" thing is
compact drum
because like 3 people had that challenge who all liked that
hard raft
if the other people who are participating that day
tight gulch
Let's focus on now
hard raft
feel that the theme doesnr give them creative juices because its too specified on something they dont know about
compact drum
idk, I guess because I'm involved
compact drum
if I'm alone in this I really wouldnt mind but I really like doing this with all of you
glossy mango
who thinks up of a theme
And when the theme is selected
everybody has to deal with it
with no fucking complaints
or you get gassed the fuck outta here
Thats how it was bbefore yesterday
Person who picks the theme ONLY picks for himself
hard raft
there were themes we discarded jusr because people werenr feeling it
jovial tide
hard raft
we just did it peacefully
compact drum
yeah but if we can get a solution where the 60% can still draw that theme, but 90% can join, I really would like to see 90%
hard raft
likr your pear which i didnt want to do remember
jovial tide
man
glossy mango
I dont give a fuck. My theme is my theme
I dont care how many ppl join
but its my theme
jovial tide
whats the point to choose the theme
glossy mango
and that should apply to everyone
jovial tide
if it wont be your theme?
That kinda defeats the idea of this being a group thing tho
compact drum
Devil I don't like the selfishless here it's a group project
hard raft
the point to choose the theme is to allow people to draw something they want
glossy mango
Because everyone gets a chance to choose
tight gulch
Isn't this meant to encourage everyone to draw?
compact drum
ness*
glossy mango
Its not a group project in any way
glossy mango
its a solo project that others just join
jovial tide
you choose a theme
The theme selection thing shouldn't be a war of ideas, that just breeds resentment.
compact drum
no.... that's messed up devil
glossy mango
Its not one drawing everyone collabs on
glossy mango
Person who's turn it is to choose the theme, CHOOSES THE FUCKING THEME
NO COMPLAINTS
OR YOU CAN GO SUCK A DICK
tight gulch
We collectively grow from this
glossy mango
like a lil
hard raft
but what if for a completelt wild example annemarie decides that the theme is her old dutch comic thst no one here read?
hard raft
its not fun to generate it randomly, people should be able to draw what they wanr
glossy mango
And everyone else can get cucked if they dont want to
jovial tide
There is no real argument against group discussion of a theme beforehand that I can see here.
It's part of the contest to decide on the theme.
YOU CHOOSE A THEME CAUSE YOU WANT TO DRAW IT, AND YOU WISH TO SEE WHAT OTHERS DRAW
IF THEY DONT WANT IT, THEY AREN'T UP TO THE CHALLENGE
STOP MAKING THE CHALLENGE DIFFICULT TO HAPPEN
white tree
Yikes
hard raft
i dont want to do the generator. thr worst i am willing to accept is a fair turn cycle with exact limitations on whats allowed and what isnt
glossy mango
Limitations arent fun
jovial tide
General guidelines sound better for me
BUT ITS CHALLENGING
so stop complainig
you just make excuses
to not draw
compact drum
I don't like the random word generator either
glossy mango
Whats fun is the idea that WHEN YOU ARE CHOOSING THE THEME YOU GET TO FUCKING CHOOSE IT AND NOT LISTEN TO TWO WHINY CUNTS FOR 4 STRAIGHT HOURS
jovial tide
get the fuck out
It's pretty clear to me that different people are getting different experiences out of this contest in the first place.
compact drum
what about a system where we all put our suggestions in a big box and we draw a random one of those
opaque peak
is this shitshow still going on
white tree
surprisingly
jovial tide
xD]
tight gulch
I feel like the generator takes away the group part of it all
hard raft
people can draw challenging stuff whenever they want. there is nothing stopping people from doing hard challenging stuff. the point of the contest is to have fun and motivating stuff, stuff you want to do
glossy mango
Delete the art channel
tight gulch
Nono we're calm and collected
jovial tide
It got revived when clarification was requested
compact drum
lol ynred
glossy mango
fucking nuke this place
white tree
I didn't think you were heated
jovial tide
I need to say that the amount of "fuck you" in the air is completely ridiculous for a conversation about art contests.
So please
xD
glossy mango
More than half of these are from me
white tree
I can't believe people use xD in 2017
compact drum
not an excuse to throw around insults
compact drum
this is hitting really close
white tree
lol
hard raft
anyway since it doesnt seem like theres going to be civil agreement then im just goijg to implement the system of turns and limitations i proposed
i apologize to whoever doesnt like it
eager bloom
i just want everyone to calm down and we can draw happily together again :c
glossy mango
TJ you arent allowed to fucking talk.
jovial tide
There's nothing wrong with sitting out for a session as I can see, so long as themes are not specifically chosen to discourage people from taking part.
glossy mango
you are the one who ruined this
white tree
I don't know why the entire climate of this channel changed in one message from yesterday
jovial tide
If this didn't happen now it would have happened later, with someone else.
compact drum
Atleast I can still be calm and open about it
hard raft
the wrong part in my eyes is that rhe challenge should encourage people to draw that day, and not gtfo if they dont want to follow some exact guideline
tight gulch
Tj hasn't ruined anything, he just brought up a point yesterday that we built upon
compact drum
If all of you disagree then I really wouldn't mind just joining in
glossy mango
Or you can fuck off and make this place great again. By not being here.
compact drum
but I do have my own opinions on how to make this better
and my preferences
Hmmm
Alright, how about this
We all give out themes we like to see drawn
we discuss them beforehand
and then we put it in a box or spreadsheet or whatever and we pick a random one of those
glossy mango
I dont see a reason why it should be discussed
eager bloom
doesn't discussion lead to an argument again?
jovial tide
tij the problem is putting your oppinin above that of the others
glossy mango
no one will ever agree on something fully and it will just be argument after argument
compact drum
Oh I don't mean it like that
jovial tide
you didnt like traria
compact drum
sorry
hard raft
i am genuinely saddened that the community here devolved into not being able to even talk about the theme after over a month of peacefully choosing whatever we wanted
tight gulch
Discussions doesn't necessarily lead to an argument, we could just talk about it peacefully
Like we're trying to do
jovial tide
everyone told you to draw a fuking flying eye or somethinng
tight gulch
Without throwing insults all over the place
hard raft
but yes, i believe we reached the point hwere discussing it peacefully is out of our reach
glossy mango
drap I suggest we ditch these nerds and just start over again as 3 ppl
jovial tide
you started this shit
eager bloom
oke true ynred
glossy mango
or as 4
compact drum
I don't want to damage this community at all I want the exact opposite
hard raft
im not ditching anything, i want people to be able to draw
the only thing we're losing is the fun atmosphere
i mean we can still have a fun atmosphere
glossy mango
grats you did the exact opposite to what you are trying to do
tight gulch
I'm in o/
glossy mango
drap
glossy mango
update this shit by yourself
jovial tide
My question is whether there can actually be a discussion piece implemented into choosing a theme and having that be part of the whole contest system.
jovial tide
yeesh
compact drum
it's not okay to say that btw
jovial tide
^
glossy mango
Correction* I want you all to crucify Rad and TJ
hard raft
TJ joined with cam on the third day of the challenge
compact drum
Now you're just personally attacking me
hard raft
rad joined like a couple of days later
glossy mango
Oh wasnt that already obvious?
hard raft
this challenge is as much for them as anyone else here
glossy mango
congrats on figuring that out!
jovial tide
You've been personally attacking him from the very beginning. This was never about the theme.
You're just being an ass to people you don't like.
tight gulch
What's the reason devil? Those being on the opposite side of the discussion?
jovial tide
I suugest a rule, where you cant complain that the theme is bad, rather ask for detail/ something to get you more creative
hard raft
Devil, can you just stop being a dick to people? or like do it over PM and not as part of the discussion about this?
and then they can block you if they dont want to see it or whatever
compact drum
I don't mind that suggestion
because the reason I couldn't do terraria was because I had no idea what it all had
if I had more context I could still draw stuff
Which stray said later on
I don't think everything was said tho
of what terraria contains
yeah I said that
jovial tide
so problem fixed ok?
no complaints about the theme
theme continues to be suggested by everyone
compact drum
we can just drop the bonus at this point too
jovial tide
As long as there's open discussion in the first place complaints won't really happen
bonus points for bonus details from time to time
compact drum
unless you really like it
glossy mango
I liked what Kabu suggested
The theme wont be changed but the chooser can be asked for details/context
jovial tide
Yep
glossy mango
in the case the theme is specific
So that means we are still allowed to use franchises as themes Within reason
jovial tide
And if it is specific, extra time can be given so everyone has something they want to draw
That's the main issue I worried about
That someone could run out of time trying to look up something to draw
yes it is an issue
eager bloom
that happened to me on the zodiac one
jovial tide
time
glossy mango
Within reasom meaning not too often and not something extremely fucking specific down to the colour of someones shoes
compact drum
that's why the theme should be said before
jovial tide
xD
glossy mango
It was said an hour before
with Terraria
I said it 1 hour before the start
that the theme is Terraria
jovial tide
theme is always told an hour before
glossy mango
Yes
hard raft
@eager bloom you wnat to be part of the theme cycle?
glossy mango
drap
eager bloom
uhm sure?
compact drum
Yesterday I was home around this time and I didn't see that the challenge was already over
eager bloom
why not 😄
jovial tide
The problem with discussion is also based on availability just like with the contest itself.
where is that
cycle
glossy mango
its cutting into my fucking essay too
hard raft
i'm making the cycle
jovial tide
so what happens if the person isnt here for the cycle?
glossy mango
Drap I say go with the rules we just decided and forget the cycle untill you are done with the manga
jovial tide
is the cycle built every day?
hard raft
alright, I don't know of other active participants who care about this, but anyone who wants to be part of the cycle will be added. Thanks.
glossy mango
We finally agreed on something
hard raft
hard raft
i'll add you to the cycle when you're out of your job rad
compact drum
I like this drap
hard raft
there are literally only two themes we've had so far that don't fit this
glossy mango
that the theme can be anything but if its a franchise it would need the person to tell some details or context
hard raft
JJBA, and doodle
that's it
everything else is exactly the same as we've been doing it
hard raft
i was okay with that
thats what i decided
yesterday
and then we reached today
and the system did not survive 24 hours
glossy mango
Then keep it that way. Dont exclude franchises
compact drum
I want to exclude them...
jovial tide
"No franchises" should be a guideline, not a hard rule, I think.
glossy mango
drap if you are going with this then you can exclude me from this completely
jovial tide
so then
compact drum
can we start today's challenge in 10 minutes and take a break from this conversation so everyone can cool their heads?
jovial tide
you cant draw stempunk
glossy mango
And give me a role that says "No art" so I wouldnt see this shit ever again
jovial tide
since its franchise
jovial tide
genre
hard raft
i don't even know what it is, like an aesthetic
compact drum
steampunk is a style
hard raft
franchises are like
jovial tide
stempunk
compact drum
so a theme can't be steampunk, but if you say zeppelin you can still draw a steampunk zeppelin
glossy mango
Rad
jovial tide
im af7
compact drum
if you get what I mean
hard raft
a theme can be steampunk
compact drum
kabu
glossy mango
my hostility, when I mean it, is never unwarranted
hard raft
steampunk is good
jovial tide
im highly against limiting the theme
jovial tide
I thought "style" meant mimicking a specific artist's drawing style
hard raft
when I say style
I mean medium mostly
but also
forcing people to draw in JJBA style for example
compact drum
erm, yeah that was my error
tight gulch
Could we have a "style" theme as gold interpreted it in the future tho?
jovial tide
if i say indiana jones you can draw anything
So, a theme would not include "and draw this like Oda"
tight gulch
Like disney characters
compact drum
steampunk is not a style, it's a setting
jovial tide
but you kill