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lol
yeah
but also
the most common type of nib used in manga is a g-pen
it looks like this
it's called a g-pen cause it has a G on it
anyway g-pens open up very wide
with very little pressure
so if you want to get your line thickness at a right consistent pace
you have to control your pressure
very well
you can make a lot of very vibrant lively lines if you do it well
but being able to draw with a g-pen is also slowly joining the territory of "useless but neat parlor trick", considering that you can emulate a g-pen almost perfectly with a tablet
so yknow
oh well
it's a dying art but it's my art and i will do it forever
i think there's something really romantic about making manga with the same tools that stuff like dragon ball and one piece and whatever are made from
and it depresses me to do it digitally when i know that the works i grew up reading werent made like this
but i mean
even after all this experience wtih a g-pen, i can barely tell apart digital inking from traditional inking in a manga
so the truth is that they can emulate it pretty much perfectly at this point
it's more romantic just because it has historical value
that's my view on it
like how guitarists
like playing on vintage guitars
i mean don't get me wrong it's definitely harder to draw with a g-pen than with a tablet on manga studio or whatever, but i don't think anyone cares about difficulty here
like
you dont get bonus points for doing something in a harder way
that aint a small diference
i mean it's easier just by the virtue of being able to ctrl+z until you get it right
and not getting the chance to erase
painting physically is harder just by the virtue of having to mix colors and shit
but anyway
I like @hard raft best
it's not just longer
It's pretty hard
the thing is, like, drawing focus lines physically is difficult work, adding them digitally is just the press of a button
yes it means, you cant say it needs more care and say its not harder
i mean i'm not talking about just drawing anything here
care = brain activity = recourses spent
it takes more recources from your brain
to draw
with a g pen
=> harder
unless you are a god
and draw perfectly
then it wont matter
okay like working with certain tools it's not just a matter of it taking longer to fix, some things are impossible to fix, sometimes you have to wait for paint to dry and shit before you can do anything, it's a whole different ball game when you have the ability to go back and forth between your tries
it gives you a lot more possibilities
because you have the freedom to mess up without it costing you a lot
but anyway what i wanted to say is
stuff like being able to mix colors into the exact shade you want, that requires knowledge and skill, it requires understanding color on some level. this understanding is not required when you pick a color out of a pallet. if you need to recreate an exact color to paint more, that's difficult, using a photoshop tool to grab the exact color again is easy. it's not just a matter of "time", it's a matter that one requires more skill and practice than the other
yup it means you are a master in a way
stuff like these focus lines require knowing how to work with a g-pen and how to work with a ruler with a g-pen without constantly messing the ink, it's not something you can do on your first day, it's something that takes a long time to understand
digital manga artists
just press a button and they get the whole thing
now i want to clarify
I am not saying there is any more value to choosing a more difficult method
i juts don't think it's correct to say that it's not difficult
Nien
but will you?
i understand what you're saying rad, i just don't think it's a fair comparison, i think there is a lot more going on here than one being more time consuming than the other
Sure
i would compare it more to going on a bicycle rather than a car
it's not just slower, it requires your body to be in a different place, and there are people who would only be able to do it through the car. in order to do it with a bicycle, you have to have a certain skill and experience (i.e. a well-exercised body) that you do not need in order to ride the bus
i know you disagree, that was the point, you think there's no difference in the skill required
but i can tell you as someone who has drawn manga physically and digitally that the latter is not just faster, but it's also significantly easier
like, until recently it's not that i preferred to do focus lines digitally, it's that i couldn't do them physically
no, i'm saying that because g-pens are really hard to work with, they dont do what you want to do. lines with a pen tablet much more easily do what you want them to do. and again, stuff like focus line is something i literally could not do until recently
but i think the core of the issue here
is that you think i have some lack of respect for art that was done digitally or whatever
which i definitely do not
i mean hero academia is a manga i praise constantly and it's digital
digital manga is totally fine
i just feel that there's magical quality to drawing in the same way that dragon ball and slam dunk were drawn
now i know that htis magical quality is totally bullshit
but it makes me feel nicer about the whole process
so thats why i insist on doing it
they both have value, and it depends on the person
im just saying g-pen is supposed to be harder
anyway you put it
i didnt say one isnt as good as the other
he said he felt it was more romantic
and i just sayd why it could be
my reason is diferent than his
but i didnt offend the art
nah man
its cool and great
i hope to do art digitally
ofcourse
in both stuff you have to know to draw
adn to be an artist
the value of an artist comes from his creativity
its impossible to compare art
i just disagree with the idea of dififculty/effort being related to quality in general
i mean
i've been here arguing that there are aspects of togashi's art that are better than berserk's art
i am definitely very much in the "i don't care how long this took" camp, it doesnt matter to me
i appreciate being able to be patient to do that
i am impatient
cause i have grown that way
i was moulded by my suroundings that way
im kinda the same
except i was forced to be smarter
and i didn't want it
@jovial tide I hav started
Heads
ok
my thing with that is that i always assume
heads is for drawing on paper
YES
that the person im talking to has nothign to do wtih the problem, i.e. theres no need to yell at this person because they're not the person in the kitchen preparing my meal
tails, i will draw by tablet
and also that my yelling is not going to affect the situation, like, whatever it is that is delaying my food is not going to get fixed if i start arguing over it
the only problem is that sometimes it's literally just a matter of "oh dude they forgot/missed/whatever your order"
so you have to speak up to clarify
but i still strongly believe that there's no reason to yell at service people
yeah i understood what you meant
you jokingly used that as an example of extreme confidence
but i just felt like saying that when you brought itu p
i have a switch like im yolo
i want that
i dont care if its awkward
im doin it
and i just go
and you feel bad and scared
and then you are, well who cares
people probably wont remember it
oh man yeah public speaking is not fun
if it aint very bad
and if they do its a valuable experience
also you can always say you are a bad example
and get your hands clean
๐
i bought a blanket
and walked through half the town
with it
dressed in it
if i ever have a wedding i hope to be random a one
i mean i dont disagree with what you're ranting about but you usually don't rant about things that annoy you
since i prefer people to have a bad impressions of me
and i speak the truth
as for example the first thing i say is
i cant remember names
its so sad that most people relate
or try to not offend you
xD
ofc
oh i don't really agree with that, i do see value in blood relationships
but then again, i think i'm just a traditional person in that regard, it's proabbly the same with the manga tools
i mean i would definitely be very interested in getting to know a long lost brother
oh that's fine
but you're not like having an especially bad day or anything
thats good then
Yeet yeet
anyway im going to bed so uh ping me
when you do your jojo drawings
so i can add them to the archive
Okie
starting like a week from today im going to have a fuckton of freetime (i.e. i am going to have 24 hours of free time every day for a couple of months)
so im going to focus on finishing the one piece one shot project
and then ifnishing my own one shot for jump
if you guys can help me stay focused that would be great
well i don't want to get into the logistics of hte whole thing because it's largely embarrassing to talk of one's own failures
but up until now i was going to the best university in israel for computer science
and i am no longer going to be doing that
and ill be going to like
some other university starting october
but until october i am basically free
i want to study computer science and i would have preferred to study it there, but i slacked off for the whole semester and i am not the kind of person who can get passing grades in this university withotu studying lol
so it's not like a
by choice
changing of universities
kind of thing
yes
i know it's strange because i'm constantly talking/doing art stuff here, but i am actually more of a stem guy
oh thats good
is he like
alive
i hope to still be alive at the end of the process
yeah i am definitely going to not be slacking off when im back in, i dont want to fuck it up again
but anyway the reason i brought the whole thing up is because
you're gonna be seeing me here trying to convince bean
that luffy at the end of chapter one is definitely not stronger than shanks at the beginning of chapter one
and i want you to help me
realize
that that's not a good use of my time, and if im going to have like months of freetime in the middle of my adult life
i should be using it on stuff that matters to me
Omg I can't wait to show U my drawing
yes
i could so use that
but anyway for now im going to sleep so talk to you guys later
ping me whten you're done grim
gn
5
Am I aloud to put a Nazi logo on my persons cloths
Lol okie
None of u will ever guess who I drew
No
Nvm no Nazi logo lol
i too cant wait
actually time pased
@native widget
with 3-4 mins
i would love to motivate
am also studying something close by
as drap
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<@&292044333660766208>
worth it
Lol
best
Wut
worth the time
Yea lol
Me?
Lol
Bad as helll
Grimm yours is admiral level
Naw
dont be shy man
I can barely draw
you're good
When someone asked me to draw a super nova
fye
Haha pretty epic
Grim thats awesome
That's fantastic.
My only criticism I can offer is yes, the eyes are not tremendously fitting, and the hatching on the mouth without visible lips looks creepy like his jaw is sewn shut.
@jovial tide it is sewn shut ๐
@rain elm @jovial tide @little orbit before it was goth
yeah jay has the whole boondocks thing going on
anyway guys your stuff is looking good, good job today
Oh damn I just saw your comments @glossy mango @calm chasm @hard raft
thats actually like a huge compliment lmao thanks guys

o.o
I could
I'm kab
Btw
Mobile phone
But I can't come yet
I'm in a bar trying to drink 50 ml of rum
What about a pirate theme
i wish this shit went on hiatus for a while
so i could draw properly smh
i was half joking about hentai theme though
You can always make jokes real xD
im gonna draw every day
its never going on hiatus
lol
well, i might stop participating if im already drawing something else, like it's very possible ill start drawing the one piece one-shot full time soon
I will draw as long as I can and there is someone else
Since its a challenge lol
Drap what do you think about the theme - flags
shame good themes will pass by without me being able to go all out
We could have a day that is about enhancing
Like I take your pic and try to better it
Sharing our art
i mean we can just have a pirate theme and if someone wants to draw a flag they can draw a flag
i want to leave it as open as possible
That could be fun
we can also have a flag theme though
If its pirate i will 100 not be able to resist drawing a ship
well you can draw whatever you want man
if it's a flag theme, i can come up wtih a flag kinda picture
just choose the theme
ill let you choose this time
youve been participating a lot and never chosen anything
Seems legit
hoenstly im using these as daily practice of designing characters
Pirate theme still
alirght
Why cant it be just a "design your own pirate flag"
Nooo thats lammee
I dont wanna be only one doing stuff, anyway
w/e xD
do the pirate theme
i just want everyone to do what theyre inspired to do when they hear the theme
if they hear pirate theme and want to draw a ship
I was thinking exactly that devil
cool
want to draw a flag, cool, want to draw a pirate town, cool
like i dont want people to be locked down to doing one specific thing
Drap showed me that the pirate theme is more freedom giving
I can't choose the other one T-T
we can do flags
i mean in a flag theme drawing
i would also draw stuff with flags
like an environment or characters wtih flags
lol
yeah tahts what i was gonna do
make two characters fighting over a flag or something
or each of them has a flag
anyway man each person can do whateve they want
if theres one specific theme then some peopel wontw ant to do it, yknow
thats why i want it to be open
so that everyone can use it as an excuse to draw somethign today
instead of drawing something they dont like
alright then i want like an hour and a half or even two hour time limit lol
Ok
When will we start
I seem to be able to come back as early as 30 mins
Min
2 hours max
ill ping everyone in about an hour and a half, thats the usual time we start
we'll see whos joining
Ok
pirate flag theme?
Y
alright i have an idea
from now on we're gonna have a leaderboard
for the daily challenges
based on how many of them you did
alright
you get 1 point for every day you participate
you can get more points by doing past challenges
for the crazy motivated people (that we dont have here), it's possible to do the same theme multiple times to gain more points
if theres someone i got wrong or didnt add, let me know
maybe this will awaken some sort of competitive spirit in some of you, but i doubt it
im motivated but i never have time
alright <@&292044333660766208> we're gonna do the pirate theme soon, in about twenty minutes. unless anyone has any objection. theme is "pirate flag", it can be any drawing as long as it includes a pirate flag. time limit is two hours. who wants in?
im not
yes
i mean you're allowed to not use the whole time you know
well, if everyone insits on being one hour, that works too
The theme is too good for me to do it half assed
you dont have the time to do it properly?
I can download anything on this laptop
its administrator password protected
Im not grabbing another piece of paper, cleaning my whole table of shit and drawing it for some below average shit
fuck that I'll leave that to the pros
I promise you though
once I get my PC back I will draw everything
anyway kabu said he was gonna participate but no response from him, i guess he's busy
i dont know who that is devil
but if we're tlaking about fictional izzies
Total Drama Island
who the fuck is this guy
what the fuck is wrong with you devil
you didnt watch digimon as a kid?
anyway i was always a short nerdy kid
so people felt like my name was fitting
Izzy is a common nickname for the given names Israel, Elizabeth, Isaac, Isambard, Isidore, Isabel, Isabelle, Isabella, Isaiah, Izzet, Isarn, Ismail, Izebel, Izmara, or Isam
Pokemon > Digimon
havent seen a single episode of that rip off
kek
i mean it's not a competition
one piece > everything else on earth
and yet i sometimes enjoy
things that aernt one piece
lol
Oh, nah Im too lazy right now to participate in something like this
I disagree with you on that drap
you only watch the best version of each genre?
like you only watch the best shonen battle anime
and nothing else?
i mean you can watch two shonens about monster partners
oh man
i dont know
but i am a totally generic kid in that i prefer all the main-character-ish ones
like veemon and guilmon
gallantmon was my favorite digimon as a kid
No I mean I disagree on the "One Piece > everything" statement
oh
yeah i was exaggerating
yessssssss
firedramon
you know it stray
you know it
yes yes
all the
manga only ones as well
veedramon
alphaveedramon or whatever the final blue one is called
man
^ weebs
ulforce v something
dont even remember all the silly names they had
but the final version in the manga
man
i actually hate that one
which is unfortunate
because exveemon is cool as hell
way better than veedramon
oh dude
actually
you know how i said when i was a kid my favorite digimon was gallantmon
when i was a kid beofre watching digimon tamers, my favorite digimon was garurumon
same
im getting a ps4 soon i wasnt gonna get cyber sleuth but man
now i want to get cyber sleuth
Im not bisy
KABU
i just came
all of your shit
honestly greninja is actually shit
and im angered that he's become like
pikachu 2.0
and that ash had a special form with him and hwatever
like
Eat your heart out
Charizard sucks
i mean i heard cyber sleuth is like
shin megami tensei: digimon
which i have no complaints about
and 100% want to play
but i also want to play next order which is like an old school digimo nwrold game
HERE COME DAT B O I
which one has more digimon
yes okay
ill get next order then
also devil
you dont even know man
digimon is waaayyyy better for kinky humanoid creatures
than pokemon
we've got fucking angewomon
you know how many digimon we have that id bang
like
Humanoid
Not interested
i mean
taking care of the creature
is the basis of the whole thing yknow
thats where we started
thats what differentiates it from being pokemon 2.0
i have played the original digimo nworld
@glossy mango look at these we've got tehse fucking
devil girls
nah man i want it to be that bad
not interested drap
i want to fucking
have ot micromanage
my dude's poop
lol
you know as a kid
my first like
fucking
twenty runs at the game or something
i ended up with
poopmon
i forgot his name
the yello guy
yeah yeah
id end up wtih sukamon
as a kid
You telling me your childhood games werent Need for Speed?
which NFS
devil
everyone knows
underground 2 with snoopdog's cover of riders on the storm
is the only way to go
I had the "You are dead to me" meme ready in case you said Most Wanted
But you still are a fag because you said Snoops cover is better than the original
so kys
@jovial tide you ready?
@glossy mango you not gonna participate for now right?
you fucking assholes two seconds ago you couldnt stop talking and now you cant respond to a simple question
lol
devil can you let me borrow your girlfriend for a two hour art challenge
and then you can show her all the videos you want
NEIN
TO THE COSCENTRAION CAMP WITH YOU
Not before we watch a video about top 10 ceilings
dude
and after that
top 10 skyies
did you guys pick the theme already
k
you want to submit a theme tomorrow sakata?
i'll come back tomorrow then
i want to surprise you guys
so i'll withhold until tomorrow
no lol
unless you enjoy me drawing stick figures
disfigured stick figures
@jovial tide @jovial tide we're starting in two minutes, for two hours. pirate flag theme.
after sliced atom
it'll be like the brazillian fart porn scene from south park
devil, i'll be borrowing your girlfriend the entire day tomorrow
thanks
it's okay devil
you can have stray
but i am asking
to borrow her for just two hours of drawing
also kabu where are you man
come on
we're strating
strating
im here
ALRIGHT
start
drap turned into the Go guy
ichi ni san sanshiiiineeee yoonnnn WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
if you ever played WoW you would understand
hata wo ageyo BREAK OF ROMANCE DAWWWWWWWWWWWN
But ofc you would rather waste time with digishit instead of good games 
Oh man this is so hard
yeah
i am way too ambitious
drawing shit i have no idea how to draw
but oh well
thats how you learn
also these characters are again going to be
inexplicably barefoot lol
drap you are gonna draw pirates without boots?
Poor pirates
alright you're right man
Also pirates might have been
ill add some boots
Better without boots
Since they need to stick to be ship
They would slip with boots
From the sea
You don't swim with boots
xD
ONE HOUR THIRTY MINUTES LEFT~
I managed somehow! To draw my symbol
woooooo
The challenge is already worth it
i'm glad you're using it to learn new things
Do you starve your dogs
@jovial tide
DUDE
WHAT THE FUCK
I WAS SURE YOU WERE PARTICIPATING
oh my god
i am so disappointed
man
i am so disappointed
one hour 17 minutes left~
im beginning to worry that the time limit isnt enough
lol
xD
Can anyone tell me
How the top most part of the ship is caled
Called
Where the spotter stays
And watches for ships
I think its a circular thing
I need a close up
On that part
But I will google mast for now
OK I kinda saw what I needed
oh
its called the top
The top on a traditional square rigged ship, is the platform at the upper end of each (lower) mast. This is not the masthead "crow's nest" of the popular imagination โ above the mainmast (for example) is the main-topmast, main-topgallant-mast and main-royal-mast, so that the top is actually about 1/4 to 1/3 of the way up the mast as a whole.
The main purpose of the top is to anchor the shrouds of the topmast that extends above it. Shrouds down to the side of the hull would be at too acute an angle from the ...
I can put my poor detailed imagination to work
apparently
drap, tomrrow when you go out
snap me 2-3 pics of the enviroment outside
i wonder how your town looks
please
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actually i might see it in google...
lol i dunno why you would wnat to see what it looks like
but i live in rishon lezion
in israel
so oyu can look that up
stray
only people who do the drawing challenge can see where i live
thanks for the pics dude 
i might look that up in the future
but right now im concerned wtih
finishing this drawing on time
which increasinglys eems like its not gonna happen
btw
one hour left
what
no
they dont
only my dudes are barefoot
you can do whatever you want man
also you're drawing like people and a ship and shit
how are you doing so much stuff
fuck logic its your drawing
I don't have much objects on my drawing
But its not looking bad
Man these feet loook as if I'm drawing a f-ing groot
yeah man feet are hard
T-T i wanted to scan my pic
but all fell asleep
man im done
i can add 1-2 more details
but i will fuck it up from this point onwards
๐
im scared to continue
by hand without scanning
its okay man
30 minutes left
im gonna fuck mine up too
no way im finishing it on time either
oh good job
keep it up stray
actually i just found a detail i can add without fuking it up
gambare stray
remember the scene when luffy was poisoned by magelan
and mister 2
stayed
and prayed
he was saying gambare
which meaned to hang on
i think
ping me when we are done
i will be in no mans sky making a story
the funny thing is i half assed a bunch of stuff to speed up the procss
yet i dont think ill finish it on time anyway
yeah i didnt finish
didnt even finish the flag itself
lol
Not even home
yeah sry i forgot
imma find a random drawing of a pirate theme and call it mine
anyway ill take a picture of it and then finish it and submit it late
heres what its like now
but i know i will ahve fucked them up...
oooh thug of war
oh dude
DOESNT FUCKING FIR DRAP
this is a really cool perspective kabu
it took me a bit to understood what i was looking at
but this is a really advanced picture
im amazed that you had the balls to do it
i tried to
good job
you made it curve with the wind and curve as the eye of the view
it's really creative man
good job
anyway i have ot finish mine
but devil
it's not about the drawing
it's about practicing feet
lol
mhm i couldnt do the fish eye lens
drap your bare feet ruined it
nah dude you did it well
practice them on your own lol
thats the only thing i have trained to do in drawing ๐
lol
ruining your own drawings n shit
man i think it looks fine
Find me a self respecting barefoot pirate
luffy wears slippers
One Piece literally depicts the opposite of what a pirate is
invalid arguments drap
since they are all modern
and not correct
stray
but im drawing
devil realistically pirates didnt wear shoes
and if you go to modern pirates
they wear
military uniforms
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and diving suits
its just not practical
have you ever falen
in water with boots
this shit weights you down
you can drown because of them
its like falling with an weaker version of an iron ball to your legs
#gangsta downabe
yeah listen to kabu he knows his shit
he's a uhh
navy dude
arent you kabu
he has
his own ship
they call themselves
the swordfish
there are rumors in the oceans
that a man who comes across kabu and the swordfish
will not see another day
they speak of them only in whispers in old taverns
this is a good story ๐
drap you have to practice making stories too
and alright, you are drawing an anime character, but even if you compare it to One Piece, none of them are barefoot
chopper doesnt count
neither does franky
man have you ever fallen in water
everything you own in water
is sure to drag you down
people barely float in water
in the fight over the flag
theyre like
fallen in the fucking air or something
alright
lol
Then you couldve drawn the shoes on the ground
Fucking where?
O.o
o-o

