dev-general

[prisma wave]

excuse me?

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[obtuse gale]

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[prisma wave]

The content on the paper looks accurate when it comes to "characteristics", and the edits on the wording make it sound nicer.
I can not think of something I would like to edit, especially because the wording is something I struggle myself. I think the paper looks really good.
Good job, and thank you.

[ocean quartz]

True

[obtuse gale]

Average #dev-general Discussion

[prisma wave]

Fer·nan·do Pó·ov

[eternal compass]

just got this gem from a "1.16.5" minecraft server https://paste.helpch.at/evajuzaleg.xml

patched_1.12.2.jar

[prisma wave]

Isn't every update just a patch?

[obtuse gale]

1.16.5 looking lit

[fallen spear]

Killer Bean is a phenomenal film series by Jeff Lew, lead animator for the matrix. The first movie was released in 1996 under the name Killer Bean: The Interrogation which follows the protagonist Jack "Killer" Bean. A coffee been who is strapped into a chair being interrogated by a Mafia boss.

[eternal compass]

ikr

...

[obtuse gale]

Definitely 1.16.5

Don't know what you're talking about

[eternal compass]

it says 1.16.5! it must be true

[static zealot]

but it also says previous version

man...

I love life

I Love it so much, that I want to go on a ride on the suislide

anyone wanna join me?

[fallen spear]

my webserver isnt working 🥳

[static zealot]

gj

[fallen spear]

im getting very conflicting information

[info]> Attempting to start BOC Backend.
[success]> Loaded routes from 'setup.js'
[success]> Loaded routes from 'sync.js'
[success]> BOC Backend Started!

Ce site est inaccessible bomc.fun n'autorise pas la connexion.
Voici quelques conseils :

Vérifier la connexion
Vérifier le proxy et le pare-feu
ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED

[cunning oriole]

can I report devs for scamming here

[half harness]

DM @compact perch

[surreal quarry]

tf why is it 1 r

[static zealot]

idk. but we're fighting to get Barry back

[half harness]

lol

[sly sonnet]

he lost his r wile playing poker

[flint cipher]

What's the diff between net.md_5.bungee.api.ChatColor & org.bukkit.ChatColor?

[forest pecan]

The bungee one is for the chat component api

[ocean quartz]

MD5:

[forest pecan]

Lol

[obtuse gale]

Bukkit ChatColor is old shit

Bungee ChatColor is old shit but supports RGB

Old shit still

[barren solar]

When you say old shit, are you implying there is newer and better shit we should know about? Or are you just saying it's old but there is no alternative?

[ocean quartz]

Adventure 😌

[barren solar]

If there is newer and better I'd like to know because I've been using the old

[ocean quartz]

https://docs.adventure.kyori.net/

Or use Paper

[obtuse gale]

Bungee ChatColor is literally Bukkit ChatColor without being an enum so it "supports" rgb

Adventure is bæ

[obtuse gale]

That's like bare minimum effort to make it work lmao

[barren solar]

Adventure just seems like it overcomplicates it by making you turn every differently colored section into its own component

No?

[static zealot]

Matt's mini messages

[obtuse gale]

Not really

Adventure exposes to light how Minecraft has been handling text for over 7 years now

[barren solar]

Oh no nevermind I'm now looking at the textcolor documentation rather than the "Migrating from Bukkit" doc

[obtuse gale]

It's been all components since 1.7(.2?)

[static zealot]

3 4 5 6

[jovial warren]

hey would anyone have any idea why Jenkins is doing this: https://i.imgur.com/UQyY2Ms.png ?

[ocean quartz]

Get out

[static zealot]

no sir. I don't think I will

[obtuse gale]

I believe Bungee ChatColor was an enum until 1.16 which introduced RGB so md_5 was forced to make it not an enum lmao

[ocean quartz]

It has literally 0 mini message lol

[obtuse gale]

"§x§r§r§g§g§b§b" 😵‍💫

[static zealot]

[barren solar]

Back in my day we used chatcolor unicode to have hidden identifiers in item lore 👴

[static zealot]

matt's adventure message framework is that better?

[ocean quartz]

Yes

[static zealot]

now time to find why deluxetags can't find xmaterials while its clearly relocated.

well.. I found the problem

it actually isn't relocated when built on jenkins. it probably still calls gradle build or something. idk. haven't used jenkins. dk how it works

fuck

[barren solar]

So before being in this server I had never heard of kotlin in my life

Now it seems like everyone knew about it but me

So I'm looking into it rn

There are... no try/catch exceptions?

[fallen spear]

i think imma remake lukkit

[static zealot]

ugh

try/catch is a thing in kotlin

[ocean quartz]

There is lol

[fallen spear]

but with auto plugin.yml and pom generation

[boreal needle]

https://kotlinlang.org/docs/exceptions.html

[static zealot]

well. lucyy is faster

and still hasn't changed her name

lmaooo

[barren solar]

Well this third party posting about it is quite false then eh

[boreal needle]

sadly i have a job now so its not been my concern

tescos is hard work

[static zealot]

damn. I Feel bad for you. bcz I fall in the same category lmao

a wanna be developer that will have to work at a grocery store or something

[ocean quartz]

Auto pom generation

[fallen spear]

yeah

[static zealot]

he probably wants to have spigot automatically added

[ocean quartz]

Why lol

[static zealot]

and some other stuff

probably

but why.

[ocean quartz]

Mc dev plugin does that
Plus pom 🤮

[obtuse gale]

what are you reading btw?

[barren solar]

https://imgur.com/BeHadEV.png
^ Lies being spread about Kotlin!!! (Emotional) (Not a Prank) (SHOCKING!!!)

[fallen spear]

so you only need to write a lua script

[boreal needle]

educba

[ocean quartz]

Or you could use Gradle and not have to deal with neither lua nor xml

[boreal needle]

they educba to actually learn what theyre talking about

[fallen spear]

im rewriting lukkit

kinda need lua

[boreal needle]

why tho

[fallen spear]

bored

[surreal quarry]

lucko bukkit confirmed ™️ ??!???!?!?!

[ocean quartz]

🙃

[static zealot]

wait what? Am I using MC DEV wrong?

I swear to god all I can get that plugin to do

[boreal needle]

here me out here

[ocean quartz]

Mc dev always adds spigot or paper

[boreal needle]

✨ java ✨

[static zealot]

is add yml name: version: main: to my plugin.yml

it doesn't even generate or anything

and it does it with spaces

[surreal quarry]

it does if you make a new mcdev project instead of gradle project

[obtuse gale]

\✨ java \✨

[static zealot]

and it doesn't auto complete the values or anything like that

[barren solar]

Can we get a JSukkit which runs off javascript

[ocean quartz]

Talking about the dependencies blitz not the plugin.yml

[boreal needle]

just use java reeeeeeee

[static zealot]

yeah. doesn't do that either matt

[static zealot]

wait. so I have to actually click next while in the MCDEV tab?

instead of when in gradle tab?

[fallen spear]

jscore is like several gb

[surreal quarry]

start from here not gradle

[static zealot]

right. but will it know I want kotlin?

[fallen spear]

and i dont feel like learning js bytecode

[barren solar]

😠

[surreal quarry]

i forget if they ever added support

[fallen spear]

lua bytecode is easy

sorta

[boreal needle]

why jump through hoops to use a weird language when you could, you know, not

[fallen spear]

but what if i have nothing to do

[surreal quarry]

it will not do kotlin @static zealot , but its overrated anyways. it does like 20 seconds of work for you

[boreal needle]

then youve never tried java

[fallen spear]

i have

[static zealot]

yeah. I think I'll stick with gradle

also will work on moving to kts from now on. but it will probably take me a bit of time xD

[ocean quartz]

I mean adding paper is 2 lines why even need it generated

[surreal quarry]

^

[boreal needle]

would someone mind checking something for me

[barren solar]

Lua isn't even a statistic on this... but javascript is :)))
https://imgur.com/0UL5kG4

[fallen spear]

i wish VS for Mac was good

[ocean quartz]

repositories {
    paper()
}

dependencies {
    compileOnly(paper("1.17.1"))
}

😌

[obtuse gale]

🅱️erhaps

[boreal needle]

i think my url isnt redirecting properly

[static zealot]

yeah. we don't have that Matt

smh

removed the embed for you. yw

[fallen spear]

discord site

[barren solar]

An invite to your shenanigans

[obtuse gale]

your discord

[boreal needle]

oh nice it actually works

[fallen spear]

some people dont consider lua a programming language

[boreal needle]

https://github.com/denysdovhan/wtfjs#-examples

why would anyone want that

you have the jvm anyway, why create extra overhead and lose a lot of intercompatibility for that

[barren solar]

You should encourage laughter in the workplace environment 🙂

[boreal needle]

i do

directed towards js

[fallen spear]

js = drives me insane

i had to write a game in pure js

[boreal needle]

f

[fallen spear]

yeah

[obtuse gale]

I'm so sorry to hear that

[static zealot]

we're almost there boys!!!!

[fallen spear]

frontend and backend

[barren solar]

This acronym doesn't even work smh JS is so good

[fallen spear]

is that you in your pfp

[barren solar]

Is that you in yours

[fallen spear]

yes

[barren solar]

yes

[fallen spear]

you look like the type to use js

[ocean quartz]

I find it baffling that a person can use JS and actually like it

[steel heart]

whos dat

[static zealot]

me

[steel heart]

no

cant be

[static zealot]

I took the top 1

[compact perch]

XP Leaderboard:

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[steel heart]

because u bakugan

[static zealot]

yessir!

bakugan > TF2

[steel heart]

acc fax

[barren solar]

It is literally the number 1 language in the world did you not see my statistic link
https://imgur.com/0UL5kG4.png

[static zealot]

I can't wait for barry to just crash and delete helpchat when I reach 1 milli

well. I Should say Bary now.

[fallen spear]

are you british

[static zealot]

bcz he's not Barry anymore

[obtuse gale]

programming languages
html

[barren solar]

No I'm Los Angelesian

[static zealot]

lmao

[fallen spear]

mm that makes a lot more sense

[steel heart]

then u british

[static zealot]

yeah. u british as hell. damn

[ocean quartz]

It's a language that hardly has a substitute on a needed market, doesn't mean people use it because they like it

[fallen spear]

uses js

american

[obtuse gale]

wow Matlab is used more than Groovy lmaooo

[lunar cypress]

clearly not counting gradle

[fallen spear]

the only good part of LA is trisha paytas

[ocean quartz]

Lmao

[static zealot]

gradle is 2 languages xD

they're lazy af

[lunar cypress]

gradle has a groovy dsl in case you forgot

[ocean quartz]

JS vs TS

[static zealot]

which is which?

I'd assume TS is blue?

[ocean quartz]

Yeah TS is blue

[onyx loom]

soon!

[static zealot]

soon™️

[lunar cypress]

nah, not happening I think

[stuck harbor]

just use clojurescript tho

[lunar cypress]

true!

[steel heart]

lol

[lunar cypress]

I'm actually going to start working on my first bigger cljs project

still not really big but a bit more involved than the two-button app I made before

[steel heart]

oooo any spoilers???

[lunar cypress]

Sure, it's a web editor to create Discord slash commands

[steel heart]

yoo thats actually kinda sick

[onyx loom]

👀

[stuck harbor]

that is kinda sick

[lunar cypress]

Well, you know, just the structure so far since you need to register them and Discord does not have a GUI for that

No actual implementation. But that might be a future goal (some simple code generation for different libraries)

[prisma wave]

clojurescript 🤤

[fallen spear]

god i hate writing lexers

[prisma wave]

clojurescript vs elm

[prisma wave]

use Parsec instead 🙂

[fallen spear]

im probably gonna end up using flex

[prisma wave]

parseNumber :: Parser Element
parseNumber = do
  nums <- many1 (digit <|> char '.')
  if '.' `elem` nums
    then return $ FloatElement $ read nums
    else return $ IntElement $ read nums

parsec 🙂

[fallen spear]

ion feel like learning yacc/bison so i make my own parsers

[prisma wave]

u dont need to

[fallen spear]

flex is good

its faster than std::match i think

[prisma wave]

ew cpp

my condolences

[fallen spear]

ive been on a cpp streak for like a year

[prisma wave]

seek help

professional help

[fallen spear]

i am

</3

i mean im writing a lua to java jar packager

im clinically insane

[prisma wave]

dear god

[ocean quartz]

Someone arrest this guy

[lunar cypress]

By this point I think Elm is a big lie

Does anyone know anyone who knows Elm?

[prisma wave]

uhm

no...

but

that doesnt mean it doesnt exist

right?

right?

[lunar cypress]

🤔 curious

[prisma wave]

well this is quite a closeted community tbf

[lunar cypress]

I watched a live podcast about Elm once

before anyone here started with the functional stuff I think

[prisma wave]

😮

programmers hangout talks about it a lot which is reassuring

[lunar cypress]

Some guy in chat asked the elm guy what a monad is

[prisma wave]

🙃

[lunar cypress]

He struggled to answer

[prisma wave]

sounds about right

[lunar cypress]

Wait no I think this must have been at least after I learned about clojure

[lunar cypress]

because I remember literally asking this

[prisma wave]

ic

[lunar cypress]

guy didn't know clojure though

lol

[fallen spear]

i made a lua vm

in lua

[steel heart]

You’re a troll

[fallen spear]

i am

but i actually did

[compact perch]

XP Leaderboard:

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[static zealot]

just bragging in every channel

k

bye

[gusty fulcrum]

What’s the going hourly rate for spigot devs atm?

[stuck harbor]

50 pence

[static zealot]

30 cents per day

probably

less

tho

the market is crashing

everyone's cashing out

[stuck harbor]

its not the most lucrative industry

[static zealot]

yeah

lmao

[gusty fulcrum]

For your work yeah Blitz

[stuck harbor]

you should go into golang if u want money man

[static zealot]

well for yours is less. so shut up.

[gusty fulcrum]

😍

[static zealot]

lua + roblox = 🤑 🤑 🤑

or at least that's what @eager fern told me xD

I do believe him tho

I've seen people spend unimaginable amounts of money in that game

and I Don't mean thousands. I mean tens of thousands of usd

[stuck harbor]

i just go off stack overflow, but always on the second or third highest

cause everyone learns the most earning stack overflow language

but not the second

[gusty fulcrum]

Seen people spend thousands on mc servers 😅

[static zealot]

no. roblox is different.

believe me. if your gamemode is somewhat marketable (would make good for youtube videos)

you can make thousands in days

[stuck harbor]

have y'all read the stack overflow dev survey for this year?

its great

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021#section-top-paying-technologies-top-paying-technologies

man

[prisma wave]

yo

huge

wtf

top 4 are functional

😌

[static zealot]

I assume that's yearly salary?

[prisma wave]

yea probably

[static zealot]

and I assume its an average

so that's huge

I guess

idk

for me that would be huge. but for US. idk xD

[prisma wave]

theyre all pretty good in the us too

i think

[lunar cypress]

It's the entire world, but there's also US averages which are higher in total

[prisma wave]

minimum wage in USA is like 15k so

[lunar cypress]

Depends

[eager fern]

WHOS A LUA DEV

[static zealot]

yeah. is it not per state? or maybe even some cities

[eager fern]

and knows roblox

[lunar cypress]

State legislation and all that

[static zealot]

me!

[eager fern]

Also hi Blitz

[lunar cypress]

I think some have 15/h now

[static zealot]

u finally saw I exist? did u see I made 1 million?

[eager fern]

Nice\

[static zealot]

imagine almost being 20

[gusty fulcrum]

So

Hourly rate 👀

[static zealot]

man. when I was a bit younger, I'd hear people get offended when people would say they're like 40 while they were 35 or something like that. and I was like: "damn what assholes" but today someone said I'm 21. and I felt that

it hit me hard

I'm old

[distant sun]

why is java at the bottom of the list?

[prisma wave]

java bad

obviously

[stuck harbor]

ofc

[static zealot]

I quickly said I'm 19 of course. even tho there's only a few days til 20

[stuck harbor]

clojure top cause clojure best

[static zealot]

ok java mitten ...

xD

[stuck harbor]

companies understand that clojure best jvm

[prisma wave]

unironically it's because so many java devs = it's easy to get them = lower salary

[static zealot]

they probably added spigot devs as well.

lmao

[stuck harbor]

there should be a union of clojure devs

[static zealot]

so the average went way down

[prisma wave]

all 3 of them

you, johnny, and rich hickey

[stuck harbor]

lol

true

[static zealot]

btw. you should probably consider that only 1k clojure developers answered, while there were 14k java developers

damn 31k javascript develoeprs

[stuck harbor]

there are only 1k clojure developers tho

[static zealot]

and 25k html/css developers 🤣

[stuck harbor]

so

its 100%

[static zealot]

oh. those are all the existent clojure developers in the world?

damn

HTML/CSS 25,738

JavaScript 31,506

[stuck harbor]

whhhyyyy

[static zealot]

Node.js 16,443

[distant sun]

Bullshit

[stuck harbor]

just use typescript

[static zealot]

Python 19,915

SQL 23,791

TypeScript 16,670

[stuck harbor]

sql k

[static zealot]

Bash/Shell 13,723

C++ 8,465

damn

[stuck harbor]

who would use C++

[prisma wave]

it makes sense, at least

[stuck harbor]

just use rust

[static zealot]

that's a lot of C++ users

[stuck harbor]

or C

[prisma wave]

the java dev market is probably very oversaturated

[stuck harbor]

or if u care so much about lowlevel just use

asm

[static zealot]

probably

[prisma wave]

niche languages are less common so they cost more

[stuck harbor]

go is the best language

[static zealot]

is c a niche language?

[stuck harbor]

cause what else are u gonna use on the backend

[static zealot]

or c++

[prisma wave]

uh

probably not

not in the same way clojure and elixir are, anyway

[static zealot]

well. ok. good night. I think I'm going to sleep.

[prisma wave]

gn

[stuck harbor]

gn

[static zealot]

also. want to mention. kde connect app actually is usefull.

[stuck harbor]

kde connect on steam deck?

steam deck will be kde plasma, right?

[static zealot]

idk

[stuck harbor]

that would be fun

[static zealot]

I mean it is going to be linux

and you'll probably be able to somehow get whatever OS you want on it

probably

[stuck harbor]

what else would u get?

anyway hopefully it would promote more linux native games

[static zealot]

it will

all games will ran on the proton thing by default

as well

[stuck harbor]

but proton isnt native

we need more native

[static zealot]

ugh. idk. I've heard proton is good

[stuck harbor]

which is why i think proton isnt a long term solution

it is

[static zealot]

but anyways

has anyone watched F&F 9? is it any good?

Family is always good

[stuck harbor]

the clothes brand F&F?

[static zealot]

nah. fast and furious

[stuck harbor]

ha

no

never watched any of those movies

[static zealot]

oh. ok. family

[stuck harbor]

too over-the-top american style

like their food

they put meat in their salads

wtf

[static zealot]

have you never heard someone say that meat is the best vegetable?

[stuck harbor]

1. no
2. wrong

[static zealot]

idk if that's an international thing. but we have a joke. where if anyone asks questions like do you want vegetables or which is your favourite vegetable we say meat xD

[stuck harbor]

but

but

tofu

tofu

[cinder flare]

It's pretty damn good for now

We just need to reach a critical point where there are enough actual Linux gamers for companies to bother to make native ports

And Proton is damn good already, a ton of games run better on Proton than they do on windows, and Valve's improvements to working with anti cheat bois are going to go a long way towards bringing Linux gaming to the forefront

[stuck harbor]

yeah

[obtuse gale]

There are a lot of games that run natively on Linux nowadays already

[stuck harbor]

its better than 5 years ago

[obtuse gale]

Like most (definitely not all) of the games I've played in the last 5 years run natively, and those that don't, they have either gold or platinum rating on proton.db or w/e

[stuck harbor]

mm

I often play quite annoyingly incompatible games

like overwatch or valorant

[obtuse gale]

And I'm not talking about indie that run on some free Open source cross platform engine

I'm talking about AAA

Tomb Raider n shit

Doom, GTA, etc

[stuck harbor]

yeah some games are even better on proton cause the windows builds are more optimised

[cinder flare]

Once EAC support is added, I'll be able to play 100% of the games I play regularly on Linux, and I think that is very cool

[eternal compass]

just met a guy who dropped out of college to make mc datapacks

[forest pecan]

yikes

[distant sun]

HE LIVE THE DREAM

[half harness]

😬

[sweet cipher]

Easy millions

Who needs college anyways

[forest pecan]

next Bill Gates

[eternal compass]

feeling good 🙄

well he runs a network of large youtube channels

[sweet cipher]

Oh well that makes sense then

[eternal compass]

but still he could have atleast learned java or smth

[sweet cipher]

They can still learn Skript

[forest pecan]

hey

[sweet cipher]

Hey

[forest pecan]

you didnt have to

🙂

[sweet cipher]

Have to what?

[forest pecan]

Have to

say skript

🙂

[sweet cipher]

What, the best programming language ever invented?
The fastest, best performing, most memory-efficient programming language?

[forest pecan]

Yeah

im jealous

[sweet cipher]

Want to know whats better than Skript?

[eternal compass]

Skrypton when?

a minecraft server impl. in Skript

[half harness]

Krypt

skript but for krypton

[sweet cipher]

JavaSkript

Mix of Java, Javascript, and Skript

[sweet cipher]

That's a good idea

[eternal compass]

ew why java

java is awful

only skript/js

and PLEASE no Typescript

[sweet cipher]

No you need all three

[half harness]

JavaSkypt*
Java, JavaScript, Python, and Skript

[sweet cipher]

Where is the python?

[half harness]

was supposed to be the "Skypt" part since I didn't want to drag out the name

oh wait

JavaSkripthon

there we go

[sweet cipher]

Ooh nice

[fallen spear]

i will fucking murder whoever made lua bytecode

did they fail english??

since when is the alphabet A C B

UGHH

[sweet cipher]

They just use an advanced alphebet

[fallen spear]

like the a lua instruction is like

OP A C B

or A Bx

or A sBx

well for 5.1

A C B

ffs

i spent like a week trying to debug this shit

[hallow crane]

I am trying to make an ingame stock ticker and i did it with maps but the map renderer was taking up like 50% of the servers tick time and it lagged
Any ideas?

[fallen spear]

what are you using to render the maps

[hallow crane]

I was using spigot-maps

https://github.com/JohnnyJayJay/spigot-maps

Regardless, map renderers take a lot of time in the server tick

It converts images and does a lot of math

[fallen spear]

i mean its a shit solution but you might be able to get away with just putting blocks and making maps from that

[hallow crane]

That means I can't do it async

[fallen spear]

hmm i see

uhh not sure honestly

[hallow crane]

I am sure

Spigot server block operations run on the main thread

same with entities

[fallen spear]

no like im not sure what you could optimise

[hallow crane]

Ah

Well I just need ideas for how to display images in MC

[fallen spear]

are you updating all maps at the same time

[hallow crane]

Or simple graphs

I am updating them when they are instantiated + a delay, so yes

That shouldn't change the time it takes if I spread out all 30, because they need to update every 10 seconds ish, meaning some will overlap and it wouldn't matter

[fallen spear]

fair

actually nvm

i was ab to say something but nvm

[hallow crane]

Thanks for your input though!

[fallen spear]

i mean im not seeing a solution with the way you currently do things with the whole map thing

[barren solar]

Someone posted and deleted it, but they had a youtube video of them running like an 8x4 mp4 video with audio from a resource pack
Edit: They didn't delete it I found it

Point being, they had a similar sizing to what you're going for and a significantly decent refresh rate

They were doing what you're trying in a sense

I don't remember who it was and like I said they deleted the link, but just wanted to let you know there is SOMEONE in here who can help get those update frametimes down to a reasonable amount lol

@hallow crane Found it for ya #dev-general message

[sweet cipher]

I think it was Pulse

[barren solar]

Yep

[forest pecan]

Yeah

lol

[hallow crane]

Ah that won’t work because that requires pre created frames while the data i am displaying is retrieved in real-time

[barren solar]

You said the processing time was in formatting the frames no?

[sweet cipher]

Can’t you make it delayed?

[hallow crane]

It’s stock data

[sweet cipher]

Like add a couple seconds delay while you format the frames

[forest pecan]

Tho tbf in my case im using VLC, which kinda carries me lol

[hallow crane]

ah

[forest pecan]

with all the necessary frame retrieval

but dithering and other stuff has to be handled

[hallow crane]

do you pass in a video?

[forest pecan]

Yea

it provides me frames

via a callback

then I pass the frame into my consumer

[sweet cipher]

More callbacks

[forest pecan]

Mhm

lol

[barren solar]

I mean look how fast it decodes the video and turns it into workable frames though

I can't imagine making a simple little ticker swoop could take much more time than that

[sweet cipher]

Too fast

[forest pecan]

The raw output cant be displayed tho sadly

dither is a big effect

on the quality of the video

sure I could find the closest to each pixel, but it would look blurry

so there are better dither algorithms, but they are slower

but better quality

[barren solar]

All that yako is doing is making a simple little line that follows data he has on hand

[forest pecan]

Also if the color palette is tiny, there is less updating required

[barren solar]

I'm just saying I feel like decoding an actual video and processing it and then turning it into workable format would take significantly longer than going straight to the final format since he is making it from scratch

[forest pecan]

in this case, i bet he could do it like 30 times per second and nobody would notice lag lol

but i respect his decision for every 30 seconds

or smthing

cause it isnt a big thing anyways, and most graphs dont update real time anyways

[hallow crane]

I’ll look into it

It requires a resource pack though correct?

[forest pecan]

Well thats only for audio

but you dont need audio

[forest pecan]

Also it was 18x8 blocks actually xD

18 * 128 * 8 * 128 pixels to update

around 15 fps

not smooth, but quite decent for big display

[barren solar]

I've never looked much into dithering but as I look at the surface level right now, it seems like such a broad scope of information

So many different techniques it seems

[forest pecan]

Yeah

Floyd Steinberg, Filter Lite

Ordered Dithering

Standard (nearest color)

Burkes

[barren solar]

My first thought is "Doesn't this artificial color change just end up looking blurry"

And you mentioned that

[forest pecan]

Mhm

[barren solar]

I think you should add the bottom right dithering method it looks really really good
https://imgur.com/0P2PDIk.png

I don't know why but Bayer just feels like the ghetto ugly duckling of all these methods

[forest pecan]

Its perfect

Honestly i actually should lol

[hallow crane]

how is this being displayed

through maps?

Oh i saw the vid

how is that not lagging

with the lib i was using it was bad

[barren solar]

Make your own backend using BufferedImage and ImageMapRenderer

This should help https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/tutorial-maps.136533/

Holy crap the last I looked at this was quite some time ago and now you can do crazy things with it

Custom maps per player now that's technology right there baby

[hallow crane]

I was making my own buffered image and using the provided image rendered from the library

[barren solar]

Ohhhh gotcha gotcha

[forest pecan]

because it was using java

VLC uses C++/C

[hallow crane]

you using skript?

[forest pecan]

Lol

Yeah

[barren solar]

How odd there is a MapCanvas function

void setPixel​(int x, int y, byte color)
I'd assume a byte worth of color info would allow the fullish spectrum but no, the documentation for color says to see another class called MapPalette. It has enum colors as options but they're all deprecated. Then it has functions, but they are also all deprecated. So what god damn colors does it use 😂

[forest pecan]

I meant skript

VLC uses skript

[hallow crane]

The lib i used only acted as the renderer

I created the images

From jfreechart

[forest pecan]

Yea

[hallow crane]

the lib only rendered The latest image while my library pushed new images that were created to the cache to be used

i don’t see the difference in performance

[obtuse gale]

Bukkit/Spigot in a nutshell

[forest pecan]

I gotchu

this is what i use

https://paste.helpch.at/begowikezi.java

theres also this https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/bukkit/org/bukkit/map/MapPalette.html

but that sucks

[barren solar]

You just linked the documentation with every single thing it "documents" deprecated

[forest pecan]

Yeah thats why it sucks

xD

i use my own impl

[barren solar]

How is that possible

setPixel only allows a byte worth of data

[forest pecan]

I just dont use setPixel

[barren solar]

Oh 😂

[forest pecan]

cause Spigot API sucks

lol

[barren solar]

How do you set colors then

[forest pecan]

I use packets

the spigot api only provides like 10 map colors

in reality there around 100ish

[barren solar]

Well 100 would fit inside of a byte

I wonder if you could still use the setpixel function

Just passing in those random ass handpicked colors you have magically compiled somehow

[forest pecan]

they'renot random

those are the only colors

[barren solar]

I know they're not random in the sense that those are the options

I'm saying they're random as in how did minecraft choose those colors out of the 256 options they had to store in a byte

Here are three color options in a row

(180, 180, 180)
(220, 220, 220)
(255, 255, 255)
Do you see any sensical pattern going from one to another

[forest pecan]

They probably arent random

they are selected to somewhat cover the full rgb scale

[barren solar]

I'm by no means a human computer but looking at your compiled list and just thinking in the heat of the moment on it, I see no discernible pattern 😂

[forest pecan]

https://minecraftmedialibrary-wiki.readthedocs.io/en/latest/map.html

i wrote that

[barren solar]

If it were logical, there would be symmetry where they basically just pick values for RGB to get 1/3 of color options, and then rotate those values clockwise/ccw twice to get a symmetrical set of the other 2/3 options

[forest pecan]

look at the images

[barren solar]

That's not symmetric at all

That is random

[forest pecan]

Well yeah, its not symmetric

[barren solar]

They took a 2 year old with a pencil and turned his scribbles into averaged color zones

[forest pecan]

my guess is probably they only chose colors they wanted or needed to use

[barren solar]

They didn't even take up all the options they had at their disposal. Not even half.

They have a full byte to play with (255 options) and said fuck it at 100

Fools

[forest pecan]

Yeah

ideally it would be integer

and 255 * 255 * 255

but mojang was like fuck that

idk why

if that was the caasae i didnt have to dither shit

[barren solar]

Not even an integer

3 bytes

Whatever that is

[forest pecan]

u store it as one value usually

for example for an integer

u would bitshift

to get the separate r,g,b values out of it

[barren solar]

I'm not saying an integer couldn't hold the data

I'm saying it's not necessary to hold the data

What would be the professional standard for sending rgb?

The best way would be some 3 byte size data type but that doesn't exist

So the next 3 byte option is an array

[forest pecan]

Integers

the Color class uses an Integer

and it is the universal way

throughout many languages and apps

[barren solar]

I guess that makes sense

Because you could do an array but there is no way to make it clear the length is 3

Ooooo what if the integer's 4th byte was the alpha

Minecraft take notes guys come on

When you leave skin textures blank they turn black now

They have an extra byte that could support alpha but they go out of their way to be difficult!

[fallen spear]

use an int

youll be able to do RGBA

[barren solar]

Yeah

[fallen spear]

kinda hot

kinda sexy

kinda kinky

[barren solar]

Makes sense why minecraft doesn't implement it for their player skins

They're geared towards 12 year olds 😦

[fallen spear]

youd have invis skins

[barren solar]

You know

I didn't think of the repercussions of my ask

I just kinda spoke

That makes sense

[fallen spear]

no it doesnt

but purr

go off ig

[barren solar]

Okay well hear me out

What if you capped the opacity at some amount

Where players aren't invisible

But they're clearly not full opaque either

Put that extra int byte to work bbg

[fallen spear]

but like

how transparent is too transparent

and ion really see the uses except for like the "outer" part of the skin

they could allow transparency on that

[barren solar]

They make the big bucks not me idk how transparent is too transparent

I just want cooler skins that aren't perfect rectangles damn it

[fallen spear]

i want better naked skins

[forest pecan]

integers actually store alpha too

[forest pecan]

in general too

[barren solar]

I don't want to claim I invented RGBA but uh

I clearly did

[fallen spear]

duhh

[barren solar]

If only I was born sooner

[fallen spear]

wdym

you invented it

you blessed us with your gracious invention

[barren solar]

Use it my children

This whole time you've been wasting that byte

No longer

Be free

[fallen spear]

i used to store my cum in that byte

gone are the days of data gloryholes

[barren solar]

@forest pecan We talked about using packets to send the maps for more color options than the base like 10 as well as using the spigot Map functions to set pixels with those base 10

But there is also a function drawImage(x, y, sourceImage)

What if your source image has colors other than even the 100 your packets support?

I only ask because I assume you looked into this having decided packets are the best way

[forest pecan]

thats why i mentioned dithering

the whole purpose of dithering is to turn an existing image with unsupported colors to one with supported colors

with a smaller palette

[barren solar]

Well I was just asking what happens

Do the unsupported colors just become... black? Or their nearest neighboring allowed color?

Is that how you got those spectrum images on the wiki page

That would make sense so the colors just default to the supported region

[forest pecan]

They dont turn black

dont think about each pixel

think about the whole image as a whole

we can dither some pixels to be some colors, and neighboring pixels to be similar colors to produce a color that our eye

thinks is the same color as the original image pixel color

[barren solar]

I understand the effect of dithering

I'm saying back up before that

What straight up happens if you pass an image filled with unsupported colors to the Map drawImage function

[forest pecan]

the unsupported colors turn white

pretty sure

or they are changed to the standard colors

which i think what they do

closest color

[barren solar]

Well that would make sense as far as how they got those spectrum images on the wiki you linked

[forest pecan]

Yep they do get changed to the closest color

just checked the NMS code

it finds the closest distance

to the nearest color

[barren solar]

Well I would have thought to do that on my own end if I were to do a map thing

So knowing that is cool

[forest pecan]

tho, it doesnt produce the best results

[barren solar]

Like it's unfortunate we don't get the full spectrum but at least they automate the conversion to acceptable colors themselves

[forest pecan]

remember that is blurry image sorta

nearest color isnt the best

[barren solar]

True

[forest pecan]

ideally, error diffusion is the best

for static images, there is honestly no point of not using the better quality algorithm

because its not like you are updating them real time

you only load them once

[barren solar]

Real time though you probably want the bottom right one we spoke about to save on computation time

[forest pecan]

Well, i mean

the issue isnt the dithering process for videos

its the maximum packets clients can recieve

the dithering process is fast enough

i used a bunch of bitshifts and stuff and it manages to be fast enough

[barren solar]

How does sending more or less accurate colors change how many packets you send to the client

[forest pecan]

Thats not what I meant

i meant the dithering isnt the issue

[barren solar]

If the issue is packets, wouldn't the system either function or not

[forest pecan]

It would function, but the clients will time out

[barren solar]

Unless the packets are per pixel updates, how can you possible make it more or less efficient

[forest pecan]

if too many packets are sent to them

[barren solar]

Ohhhhh

So that's an FPS limit

[forest pecan]

Yes

[barren solar]

Not a quality per frame limit

Gotchaaa

[forest pecan]

the server is capable of handling these FPS and dithering

its just the stupid packet limit

mojang has put

[barren solar]

It's... artificial?

[forest pecan]

wdym

[barren solar]

They impose an artificial packet throttling?

What benefit does limiting rate of packets sent between client and server have

[forest pecan]

Well, ig the benefits are the client's bandwidth wont get smashed

lol

[barren solar]

That's stupid it's 2021

We stream (compressed) 4k on youtube all day at 1000 fps

[forest pecan]

the client will pretty much say

nope

not accepting anymore packets

then client times out

[barren solar]

The throttle should be the ISP physically refusing to handle the speed kerchow

Not mojang saying ehhhhh I don't think people's internet can support it

[forest pecan]

Yeah

Tho in all honesty, maps do indeed use a ton of bandwidth

its 128*128 pixels per map

you are sending a byte[] of that

then you are also sending multiple of those to the client

its a lot of data being sent back and forth

[barren solar]

They need to implement png's compression

Lossless baby

But reduces filesize down like 60%

[forest pecan]

Tho, that will slow down some stuff

but honestly worth it

[barren solar]

Tomato tomato we are gamers

^ I wrote this saying it the way the saying goes in my head, then I reread it and read it as the same way of pronouncing tomato both times and was like wait what

[forest pecan]

lol

[barren solar]

I thought I misspelled one of them and then my brain short circuited for a bit there

[distant sun]

Your Oracle Cloud account has been disabled.
Nice

[obtuse gale]

@prisma wave 👀

[distant sun]

What is this bullshit lol

[obtuse gale]

Seems like they're doing that now lol

[distant sun]

Very trustworthy what can I say

[obtuse gale]

They realized what they were offering was too good LOL

[distant sun]

Bullshit

[old wyvern]

💀

[distant sun]

Glad I didn't put anything on there

[old wyvern]

Do they not even let you recover files?

[distant sun]

You know the saying, nothing is free

[distant sun]

I wouldnt be surprised

[old wyvern]

Did they disable it as soon as your trial ended?

[distant sun]

At 6:30 I got announced that my free trial expired and at 8:16 I received the second email, so yea

[old wyvern]

how nice

let me backup all my files

[humble silo]

Pretty sure my aws free year ec2 instance is still running

[old wyvern]

Time to make a post about the oracle scam on linkedin or something??

[hot hull]

Why not

[cinder flare]

hey my trial ended and it is still going strong

maybe it just doesn't like you guys

[obtuse gale]

was?

[cinder flare]

is*

[obtuse gale]

ah lol

[cinder flare]

lol i was looking at my other screen while typing that

some guy asked for the VP source code to learn Java

and I went "here it is, but it's in kotlin btw"

[obtuse gale]

lmao

L

[cunning oriole]

How do I report a dev for scamming?

[cinder flare]

DM @compact perch

[cunning oriole]

And

Isn't that a bot

What do I say in dms?

[lunar cypress]

It'll tell you

[cunning oriole]

Tell me what bruhh

What do I say? Just hello?

[quiet depot]

yes

[cunning oriole]

Ok

[distant sun]

nice spigot

[hot hull]

Ah yes

[prisma wave]

Yikes

Weird that they waited until after the trial ended for yours

[prisma wave]

Can you still access your account?

[jovial warren]

val attachFace = myBlock[Properties.ATTACH_FACE]
```😎

[distant sun]

idk havent tried

[quiet depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UXlSlX9diQ these are too fucking good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMhs-tD_e24

[plush sapphire]

hi anyone here who will help me to install slax linux?

[gusty fulcrum]

Anyone here use bungee or something similar? Its been years since I set it up. Any major changes/must haves?

[static zealot]

an arm

[gusty fulcrum]

[steel heart]

I use velocity

[fallen spear]

does bungee even still exist?

[hot hull]

I use waterfall

[fallen spear]

i use paper

[hot hull]

I use Krypton

[gusty fulcrum]

guess thats just a fork?

[hot hull]

yessir

[gusty fulcrum]

Easy to setup?

[hot hull]

Same shit as bungee

[gusty fulcrum]

anything to worry about on security

last time I touched bungee it had a ton of issues

[steel heart]

Velocity > Waterfall amirite

[hot hull]

Not that I'm aware off, I use it for a dev server so couldn't really care less :3

[steel heart]

Dodo confirmed

[fallen spear]

paper is good on my vps

it runs real good with ~8gb ram

[hot hull]

Imagine not having a dedi

[fallen spear]

i do but its in the middle of the fucking atlantic

[hot hull]

heh

[fallen spear]

kinda hard to use if its unplugged on a boat

[gusty fulcrum]

find a way

[ocean quartz]

@quiet depot I remember we talking about Codota and Tabnine some time ago, so, apparently Codota joined with Tabnine so they recommend that plugin over Codota now, I tried it and it's horrible, super laggy and clunky compared to the original plugin 😩

[quiet depot]

tabnine works fine for me on sublime

and yeah they merged ages ago

we figured that out last time we talked about it

or at least it came up last time I personally talked about it, I assume that was our convo, not certain though

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, just now they added some messages on the IDE
Hmm Tabnine doesn't feel good on IJ

[quiet depot]

I didn’t like tabnine on ij either

I just thought that was due to ij’s suggestions being better though

I didn’t really think it was laggy or clunky

[ocean quartz]

At least compared to the old codota plugin, which for me is faster than IJ's suggestion

[prisma wave]

all of the AI autocomplete tools suck in my experience

theyre laggy and you usually have to edit the suggestions anyway

[fallen spear]

fuck lua debug

im not implementing 3 extra lists for nothing

fuck this

[ocean quartz]

Fuck lua* ;p

[fallen spear]

bbbut

embeddable

honestly my programming language is coolest

[distant sun]

if I have a lib with multiple modules, should I generate a javadoc for all and just link to the specific package (as you would do for instance for java.util > https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/16/docs/api/java.base/java/util/package-summary.html) for each module or try to have one javadoc for each module?

[fallen spear]

you should be a gigachad and not even have a javadoc

[eternal compass]

@gusty fulcrum if you're starting from scratch, use velocity

Basically bungee but re coded

12x better

[jovial warren]

so I've been trying to figure out how the vanilla ticket propagation algorithm works, and so I made some changes to Paper to show this GUI with all the ticket levels, and this is actually kinda satisfying to watch lol

if Discord compression doesn't ruin it

although that is definitely not what I wanted, since Paper seems to do some weird things

and here's the vanilla propagation

it just seems to start from some point and then propagate the neighbours

[forest pecan]

Wow Vanilla bad

Slow

[jovial warren]

lol

I'm just trying to figure out how to actually do that

though I believe that glitching is probably due to me repainting the component every time I add a cell

I think what vanilla's does is plants a ticket at the source and then recursively checks neighbours or something like that

which is probably the best way to do it tbh

because for moving areas, I need to have a way to check tickets outside of my view range for removals

but I also need to effectively deal with clashes

what I haven't figured out yet though is how tf vanilla knows when to stop propagating

[jovial warren]

but what I just did finally realise is that the way Minecraft gets the level of the ticket that should be at a certain position is by looking it up in a list of tickets that are sorted by three things, in this order:

• the ticket level
• the key
• the type's comparator

so we don't even need to worry about these sorts of clashes, we can just look up the position in the ticket list and pick the first one

[gusty fulcrum]

Okay thanks

[jovial warren]

@forest pecan well, solved it lol

https://paste.helpch.at/sanakaqaju.pl

just admire that hacky mess

that somehow works

and holy shit it's faster than I thought lol

[obtuse gale]

you know what is faster than I thought? gson's TypeAdapter system over the "deprecated" JsonSerializer/JsonDeserializer one

[hot hull]

Looks doodoo

[steel heart]

Interesting

[jovial warren]

it bloody damn works though

[onyx loom]

is anything not hacky here?

everything u seem to be showing is always hacky 🤔

[barren solar]

Google good

Well morally gooooood idk that's probably debatable I should say "Google competent"

[gray narwhal]

Hey does anyone know how I can get my discord account back? It says it has been disabled. I don’t know if anyone knows how to help but I somehow ended up here from Google searches

[obtuse gale]

Uh well this isn't really a discord help server, but you have you tried contacting discord about it?

[surreal quarry]

ah yes HelpChat discord link

[obtuse gale]

lmao

[winter iron]

anyone used Kotlin's Exposed for databases?

[eternal compass]

you missed the search bar, https://google.com is HC

[ocean quartz]

Yes

[hot hull]

yeye, now clean it up

[winter iron]

how did u find it

[surreal quarry]

oh understandable, thanks

[ocean quartz]

How? I think I searched for kotlin orm and it was the first

[eternal compass]

obv

[winter iron]

I mean like find using it XD

and did u use it for plugins?

[ocean quartz]

Oh, it's okay, it's kinda ugly but works pretty well and it's pretty easy to use
And no never used it for plugins

[hazy widget]

So quick question, so i know already a big part of java. Should i start learning kotlin. Or should i go to like python or C#?

[ocean quartz]

Depends on what you want to do

[steel heart]

I’d say C# is quite cool

But really all of those are awesome

[ocean quartz]

C# if you want to work with Unity for example, Python idk don't like it, Kotlin if you want to use something better than Java

[hazy widget]

Hmm okay thanks

[steel heart]

Yo Matt Sword Art Online is actually good btw

[ocean quartz]

Yikes

[obtuse gale]

lmao

[sly sonnet]

is kotlin like faster than java or smth?

[humble silo]

I just checked it out and it looks amazing! Too bad I'm already using Spring jpa everywhere 😬

[steel heart]

Yesnt

[ocean quartz]

No, they are about the same speed

[sly sonnet]

then how is it better?

[winter iron]

Syntax

[steel heart]

Inline shit might be faster in speed actually

[winter iron]

It has alot more functionality too

[ocean quartz]

Null safety, syntax, many more features, and a lot more things

[humble silo]

I'm glad it has things and features 😛

[ocean quartz]

Ktor + Exposed > Spring 😌

[winter iron]

😍 Extension functions 😍