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hot hull Jul 24, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Tokens?

mild rose Jul 24, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Ah whoops wrong channel

hot hull Jul 24, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Oh bungeeguard

mild rose Jul 24, 2021, 1:07 PM

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Thought I was in #general-plugins my b

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 1:15 PM

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distant sun Jul 24, 2021, 1:17 PM

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do add a bungee server I need to restart the whole network, right?

static zealot Jul 24, 2021, 1:17 PM

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nah. just the bungee

distant sun Jul 24, 2021, 1:17 PM

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....

static zealot Jul 24, 2021, 1:17 PM

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welp that still kicks everyone

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soo xD yeah

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thought you meant like restart every single sub server

distant sun Jul 24, 2021, 1:17 PM

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no lol

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but that's annoying

static zealot Jul 24, 2021, 1:18 PM

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👍

forest pecan Jul 24, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Never heard of that one

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That doesn’t have many of the methods tho for Stream

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 2:48 PM

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public Future<ResultSet> query(String query, CheckedConsumer<PreparedStatement> initializer) {
        return Future.of(() -> Try.withResources(dataSource::getConnection)
                .of(con -> con.prepareStatement(query))
                .andThenTry(initializer)
                .mapTry(PreparedStatement::executeQuery)
                .get());
    }
``` this might be the coolest library ever

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that's a full sql wrapper with no try/catches needed in 5 lines

potent nest Jul 24, 2021, 3:07 PM

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what about closing the resources? Seems like you need to handle that on your own

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 3:08 PM

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Try.withResources seems to do that for me

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and closing a connection also closes any resultsets iirc

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although i might be wrong

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we'll see once i get it working

potent nest Jul 24, 2021, 3:10 PM

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ah yeah might work, depending on how the future deals with it

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 3:16 PM

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What are the advantages with git bash?

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 3:17 PM

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what

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as opposed to what...?

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 3:17 PM

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Well cmd lol

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 3:18 PM

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oh

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well

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it's bash

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it's about as close as you can get to a linux shell without installing WSL

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 3:18 PM

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hmm

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Wait buildtools doesn't also build craftbukkit after 1.13?

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It only builds spigot jar

hot hull Jul 24, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Why in the actual fuck would you want craftbukkit

sly sonnet Jul 24, 2021, 3:32 PM

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angry_fingerguns

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 3:42 PM

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NMS?

sly sonnet Jul 24, 2021, 3:43 PM

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import spigot not spigot-api

static zealot Jul 24, 2021, 3:44 PM

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from maven local

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 3:55 PM

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How can I specify a build.gradle file?

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If there's multiple

hot hull Jul 24, 2021, 3:56 PM

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Why would you have multiple build.gradle files :what:

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 3:56 PM

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you can use the apply if you wanna import a.gradle into b.gradle

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 4:06 PM

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build.gradle is one name

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you can't have two build.gradle files in one directory

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so you need to clarify

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 4:09 PM

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lunar cypress you can't have two build.gradle files in one directory

Yeah mb, I mean two .gradle files

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To build the jar

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 4:10 PM

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I'm more confused now

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 4:10 PM

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wat

forest pecan Jul 24, 2021, 4:11 PM

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what

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 4:14 PM

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nvm

tranquil crane Jul 24, 2021, 4:24 PM

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has nobody ever heard of a multi module build before or something

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though I'm not sure if that's even what he was talking about

forest pecan Jul 24, 2021, 4:27 PM

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tranquil crane though I'm not sure if that's even what he was talking about

Definitely not

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Lmfao

tranquil crane Jul 24, 2021, 4:28 PM

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I can be hopeful at least

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 4:36 PM

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tranquil crane has nobody ever heard of a multi module build before or something

i use ant, wat u talkin about

forest pecan Jul 24, 2021, 4:38 PM

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I use spider

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 5:11 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/vVbcGiB.png 😌

Imgur

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 5:12 PM

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🤢

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Come on

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 5:12 PM

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lol

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 5:13 PM

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you code yaml

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pro dev

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Oh no

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I need to setup Emacs with wakatime

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Then I can get everything that isn't java on the graph

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 5:16 PM

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🤣

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 5:16 PM

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hopefully we'll see Oak on the graph

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 5:17 PM

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🤨

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Java -1?

atomic swan Jul 24, 2021, 7:18 PM

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hello

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someone know really god processors for dedicated server?

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 7:25 PM

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How about poseidon 3500XR

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 7:28 PM

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🥲

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 7:28 PM

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#860006856864169985 message

developer

configure

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🥲

static zealot Jul 24, 2021, 7:29 PM

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that post is made for you dkim xD

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 7:29 PM

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-_-

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 7:29 PM

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http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/

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ubuntu

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 7:29 PM

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thonking interesting

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 7:32 PM

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obtuse gale http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubunt...

hmmmmmmm

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 7:32 PM

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yes

tranquil crane Jul 24, 2021, 7:43 PM

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u b u n t u

static zealot Jul 24, 2021, 7:44 PM

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u t n u b u ?

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Am I the only one who forks repos just to save them in case the original repo might get yeeted lol

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Can someone give me a like really quick explanation of the different dependency types? Like compileOnly and implementation etc.

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 8:32 PM

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myes

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compileOnly means you only have it on your compile classpath

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thus you also imply that the dependency is already provided at runtime

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for instance placeholderapi

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its fully loaded when a server runs

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you never load it

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:33 PM

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steel heart compileOnly means you only have it on your compile classpath

So the dependency can only be used on startup?

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 8:33 PM

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so you only need it at compile time

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no

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uh

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im terrible at explaining this

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tried 3 times before lol

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Nono you're doing good, I think lol

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 8:34 PM

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IMPLEMENTATION -----
but anyways

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for instance mf gui

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its a library not a plugin

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:34 PM

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ye

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 8:34 PM

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it doesnt get loaded automatically or well, not by anyone else (kinda)

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and that means we should have implementation for it

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because it will most likely be us who provide it at runtime

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if you use shadowJar, it will get shaded (as well as added into your jar when building one)

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:35 PM

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wait so you're talking about implementation now?

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 8:35 PM

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yes

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Alright

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 8:36 PM

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I edited

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:36 PM

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yup

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hmm okay

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I can see how they work, but not what difference it makes

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Like when the server runs

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What the difference then is

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 8:36 PM

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then we have runtimeOnly, compileOnlyApi, api and some others which you in theory dont have to concern about for now

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they dont make any difference in ide

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because they're both added to the compile classpath

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its how and who's providing them which makes the difference

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or maybe not how

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but yeah

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:39 PM

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steel heart its how and who's providing them which makes the difference

How does it make a difference though, they both still work when the server is running?

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 8:43 PM

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Not necessarily

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 8:43 PM

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yes BM take it from here

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 8:43 PM

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if you compileOnly some external library you'll get a ClassNotFoundException

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 8:43 PM

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I suck at explaining this officially

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 8:43 PM

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like, I can't just pull the classes for that library out of nowhere

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:51 PM

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prisma wave like, I can't just pull the classes for that library out of nowhere

But that's what repositories are for, no?

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 8:51 PM

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what?

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That doesn't happen at runtime does it?

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:51 PM

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No idea lol

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 8:52 PM

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well no it doesn't

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If you have some jar then the only stuff in that jar is gonna be the stuff in the jar

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Gradle is a build time tool, it changes nothing about your program at runtime

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:52 PM

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runtime being when the server is running right?

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Dependencies are needed in two different places. When you use some.library.Class in your code, first the compiler needs to know this class in order to validate that you're using it correctly. That's a compile time dependency.

In 99% of situations, when you use a class in your source code it is also needed when the program is executed. That would be a runtime dependency. Now, runtime dependencies are loaded dynamically through the classpath system, meaning you don't have to put literally every class you use in your jar. For example, the standard library is always in the classpath. Or if you're working in the Spigot environment, the Spigot server and API are also already in the classpath.

You use compileOnly for dependencies that are already in the classpath at runtime, implementation for dependencies that are not

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 8:54 PM

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timber oak runtime being when the server is running right?

Yes

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Or more generally, whenever any program is running

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Not necessarily a server and / or plugin

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 8:54 PM

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Then there's runtimeOnly.. we don't talk about that one here lol

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:55 PM

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lunar cypress Dependencies are needed in two different places. When you use `some.library.Clas...

Ahhhh thank you very much for taking your time to explain this

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So how do I know which are in the classpath at runtime? lol

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 8:55 PM

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well, you need to know what your environment will be

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And what you expect to be there

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If you're writing a plain java application, nothing except the standard library should be expected to be present

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 8:56 PM

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it's pretty much common sense

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:56 PM

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So really only spigot?

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When creating a spigot plugin

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 8:56 PM

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for a plugin yeah

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And also other plugins sometimes

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kinda

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I'm not sure if they're literally on the classpath or spigot makes it work somehow

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:57 PM

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Hmm alright

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I'm asking this because I'm trying to migrate an old project from maven to gradle

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But I can't get the dependencies to work

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Not even the Spigot one

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 8:58 PM

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well that's a whole other issue

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 8:58 PM

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I need to set up the environment right?

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Somehow

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:00 PM

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"it doesn't work" isn't really enough information for us to be able to diagnose the issue and suggest a solution

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:00 PM

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Well

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Tried invalidating caches but that's really all

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:01 PM

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Is the project registered as a gradle project?

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:01 PM

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No, I need to change that

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But not sure how

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Well I got this menu

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So maybe it is?

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:02 PM

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So yeah it is

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Send your buildscript

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But also hit that circle arrow icon

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:02 PM

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C:\Users\Valdemar\IdeaProjects\fncore>gradle build_vald
> Task :compileJava FAILED

FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.

* What went wrong:
Execution failed for task ':compileJava'.
> Could not resolve all dependencies for configuration ':compileClasspath'.
   > Using insecure protocols with repositories, without explicit opt-in, is unsupported. Switch Maven repository 'MVdW Public Repositories(http://repo.mvdw-software.be/content/groups/public/)' to redirect to a secure protocol (like
 HTTPS) or allow insecure protocols. See https://docs.gradle.org/7.1/dsl/org.gradle.api.artifacts.repositories.UrlArtifactRepository.html#org.gradle.api.artifacts.repositories.UrlArtifactRepository:allowInsecureProtocol for more det
ails.

* Try:
Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack trace. Run with --info or --debug option to get more log output. Run with --scan to get full insights.

* Get more help at https://help.gradle.org

BUILD FAILED in 1s
1 actionable task: 1 executed

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:03 PM

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prisma wave But also hit that circle arrow icon

Didnt fix

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:03 PM

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timber oak Didnt fix

Should we move to #development BM?

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:04 PM

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probably

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that error kinda says the issue though

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Switch Maven repository 'MVdW Public Repositories(http://repo.mvdw-software.be/content/groups/public/)' to redirect to a secure protocol (like HTTPS)

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 9:04 PM

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http 🥴

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:04 PM

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^

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http bad

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:05 PM

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prisma wave > Switch Maven repository 'MVdW Public Repositories(http://repo.mvdw-software.be...

So that repository is not working in gradle?

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:05 PM

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well yes

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it also tells you how to fix it

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Not sure what to switch it to?

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I don't think the plugin has a gradle repository lol

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:08 PM

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just change http to https

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there's no such thing as a gradle repository

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it uses maven formats

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:08 PM

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Ohhhh

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Oh wow, fixed that but got 7 new errors, nice

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:40 PM

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why does java not have the walrus operator

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 9:41 PM

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the what now

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:41 PM

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:=

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:41 PM

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golang operator

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😌

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:42 PM

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😌

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:42 PM

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im genuinely confused how java missed to add it

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:42 PM

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What would java do with it?

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:42 PM

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why would it need it

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^

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:42 PM

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why not

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:42 PM

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why not what?

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:42 PM

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less lines = better code

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as we all know

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:43 PM

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Not neccessarily

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:43 PM

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im confused

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what do you think it would replace?

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:43 PM

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This has nothing to do with less line anyway

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:43 PM

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old wyvern Not neccessarily

how dare you contradict my theroem

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:43 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/calculation-theorem-gif-19179896

Tenor

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:44 PM

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yeah the less lines was a joke but I mean why would you have it then?

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:44 PM

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I wouldnt particularly care if they added it

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 9:44 PM

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what

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why

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:44 PM

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oh right

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 9:44 PM

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why would you add it

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the assignment operator exists already

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:44 PM

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exactly

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:44 PM

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okay if its unnecessary why does a language like py have it

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:45 PM

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1-2 languages having it does not make it useful everywhere

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 9:45 PM

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well what does it do in python

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:45 PM

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true

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 9:45 PM

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other than assignment

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:45 PM

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First make them add currying in java

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then we'll talk

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:45 PM

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basically assignment within expressions

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:45 PM

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wdym?

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:45 PM

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x= 1
print(x)
is equivalent to
print(x:=1)
sorta

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:46 PM

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You already have that

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:46 PM

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ye in python

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:46 PM

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no

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in java

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 9:46 PM

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in java too

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:46 PM

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:=

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:46 PM

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int a;
System.out.println(a=5);

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 9:46 PM

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also that's a terrible feature imo and you shouldn't add it even if it didn't exist

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:46 PM

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yes but that would declare the variable above

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:46 PM

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so you want System.out.println(int a := 5)?

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Whats the point of that

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:46 PM

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uh I guess that would be the equivalent

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idk

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:47 PM

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that's evil

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:47 PM

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lol

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:47 PM

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Like how would you even scope it

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 9:47 PM

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wow what a great feature

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:47 PM

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😌

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 9:47 PM

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no one would ever use it

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:47 PM

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okay but why does some languages have it?

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:47 PM

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how about something like ```hs
let a = 5 in print a

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:47 PM

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like python lol

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idk if python is good for reference but just curious

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:47 PM

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steel heart okay but why does some languages have it?

Again

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Some languages having something

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Java's assignments are already expressions...

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:48 PM

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doesnt make it useful everywhere

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^

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:48 PM

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yeah right, is it useful in python, maybe asking this to bm since he kinda likes py

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:49 PM

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"Oh js has some cursed coersions! Why doesnt java have that!"

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:49 PM

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it's a nice bit of syntax sugar but it's not game-changing

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:49 PM

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🥲

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:49 PM

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it's more useful in python because of truthiness and falsiness

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with like ``py

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lol

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 9:49 PM

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again it's useless, it doesn't add anything and makes code more confusing honestly

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:49 PM

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lol

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:49 PM

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if some_var := some_function():
  print(some_var.blah())

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there's no real equivalent to that in java

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but yes

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as johnny said

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:50 PM

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lunar cypress again it's useless, it doesn't add anything and makes code more confusing honest...

so arguably I should avoid using it even when its available in the language?

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:51 PM

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prisma wave > Switch Maven repository 'MVdW Public Repositories(http://repo.mvdw-software.be...

It seems that the website doesn't even have https, so can't use it in gradle I guess?

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:51 PM

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https://img.bristermitten.me/screen_2021-07-24_22-54-45_lhKU.png seems like it does

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:52 PM

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prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:52 PM

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that's...

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:52 PM

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not same

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:52 PM

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a different url

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:52 PM

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lol

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:52 PM

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Wait what, on the plugins spigot site it said to use that url....

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Bruh

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:52 PM

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lmao

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:52 PM

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seems unlikely

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:52 PM

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Classic mvedwe guy

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:53 PM

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did he die btw? Ik there was some rumors about that

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:53 PM

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https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/mvdwplaceholderapi.11182/

SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft

MVdWPlaceholderAPI

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:53 PM

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What?

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I remember seeing him in here a while ago

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:53 PM

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oh nvm then

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:53 PM

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I aint lying lol

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:53 PM

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timber oak

compare the 2 urls

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:53 PM

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or atleast a pr in one of papi's repos

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somewhere

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in the last month

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:54 PM

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ah that answers it lol sorry if im being a bit rude now

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:54 PM

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prisma wave compare the 2 urls

yeye got it working now

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:54 PM

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nah nah

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:55 PM

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prisma wave compare the 2 urls

Also removing the "/s/" didnt fix it

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:55 PM

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are you sure about that

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:55 PM

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But with .com it works

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:55 PM

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yes

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:55 PM

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prisma wave https://img.bristermitten.me/screen_2021-07-24_22-54-45_lhKU.png seems like it d...

which is the one i had

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:55 PM

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Yup, the one you sent is working

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:56 PM

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but uh yeah Valdemar there's a lot of outdated plugin wikis and shit on spigot

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Just not the http one that was on the plugin site

timber oak Jul 24, 2021, 9:56 PM

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steel heart but uh yeah Valdemar there's a lot of outdated plugin wikis and shit on spigot

Yeah this plugin doesnt update anymore...

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:56 PM

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mvdw bad

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:56 PM

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If it doesnt suppourt ssl you're just get a warning on the top left, not some error page

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in the certificates toolbar

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:56 PM

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prisma wave mvdw bad

mvdw papi < papi 😄

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:57 PM

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He stopped updating that

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Switched all his plugins to papi

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I think, atleast

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steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:57 PM

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sounds like a solid move

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papi has monopoly anyways

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:58 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695431668944732270/868612937093349446/863545038068121610.png

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hapi

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:58 PM

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hapi!

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:58 PM

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🥲

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:58 PM

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steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:58 PM

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haskell api?

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thonk

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:58 PM

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uh

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yes

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that

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:58 PM

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lol

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:58 PM

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hpapi

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:58 PM

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hlaceholders hay pee aye

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:59 PM

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#860006855325122591 thonking

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:59 PM

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oh this is cool https://hoogle.haskell.org/

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:59 PM

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hoogle 😌

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Ya'll wanna work at google?

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fuck that

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we work at hoogle

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 9:59 PM

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hoogle > google

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 9:59 PM

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lol true

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 9:59 PM

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!!

sly sonnet Jul 24, 2021, 10:00 PM

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heypapi

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Someone is clearly too rich

prisma wave Jul 24, 2021, 10:01 PM

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lmao

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that's like $5000/hour

old wyvern Jul 24, 2021, 10:01 PM

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lmao

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 10:17 PM

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LOL that guy has to be joking

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 10:18 PM

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kek ye

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 10:48 PM

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old wyvern Someone is clearly too rich

uhh @proven hearth if someone actually wants you to pay them $50.. unless you don't care about money that can be coded in like 1 minute xD

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just saying in case ur not joking :)))

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lol

flint cipher Jul 24, 2021, 10:48 PM

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oof

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 10:49 PM

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you're awesome

mild rose Jul 24, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Heyo. Is there a way if the whole bungee network goes down, I can have a separate server as a fallback server if the whole network goes down?

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:16 PM

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Wait wym?

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Like a back up proxy?

mild rose Jul 24, 2021, 11:20 PM

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Like a backup server

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Pretty much

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Like if I need to restart the proxy, there would be a server players can get sent to that will be unaffected by the proxy restart.

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:37 PM

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no

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the players are connected to the proxy, and so would need to reconnect to a different proxy

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also, Velocity on top :p

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:39 PM

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this

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:40 PM

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thinking about Velocity, I actually spent a bit of time the other day extending Steinborn's super fast var int writing method to 10-bit var longs lol

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https://paste.lucyy.me/gaxesuholi#kotlin this was the result 🥲

lucy's pretty pastebin

Lucy's Pretty Pastebin

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say goodbye to your ability to sleep at night

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 11:42 PM

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implying i had any left lulw

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:42 PM

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James!!!!

surreal quarry Jul 24, 2021, 11:42 PM

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this is what i come back to

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lmao

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:42 PM

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ASyay

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:42 PM

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kek

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 11:42 PM

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that's a lot of tier 6 in a single chat

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wowza

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:42 PM

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I'm trying to start on world generation rn in Krypton lol

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:43 PM

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hi

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some more tier 6

surreal quarry Jul 24, 2021, 11:43 PM

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werent you doing world generation like months ago

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:43 PM

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all these octaves and amplitudes and scales and randoms and lowest frequency value & input factors are making me go crazy lol

#

luckily, I have vanilla as a reference

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:43 PM

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jovial warren thinking about Velocity, I actually spent a bit of time the other day extending ...

Myes the half line code

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:43 PM

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surreal quarry werent you doing world generation like months ago

no way lol

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:44 PM

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James I await an update for terrible plugin!

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:44 PM

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steel heart Myes the half line code

oh yeah, that reminds me: on request, I also made that in to a one-liner that I posted in the Velocity Discord, lemme see if I can find it lol

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(it was a joke request btw, I was just bored)

surreal quarry Jul 24, 2021, 11:44 PM

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steel heart James I await an update for terrible plugin!

there are currently no pull requests

#

i would love some new contributions

#

i even set up a jenkins job for it lmao

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Oh nice effort

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:44 PM

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jovial warren oh yeah, that reminds me: on request, I also made that in to a one-liner that I ...

ASheh

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:44 PM

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https://paste.helpch.at/azinazovor.coffeescript

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:45 PM

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Holy cow

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:45 PM

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if you could still sleep at night before that, you definitely can't now

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:45 PM

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I understand 1% of that code

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:45 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

Tenor

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:45 PM

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wait kt has a and keyword?!

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:46 PM

#

yes, it's the same as &

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:46 PM

#

and or?

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:46 PM

#

It got all the good stuff

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:46 PM

#

well, not a keyword, it's an infix function

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:46 PM

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😮

#

oh

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D:

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:46 PM

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it used to be a keyword before infix functions existed

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:46 PM

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wait wat

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:46 PM

#

back in the early days, before I started using it lol

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:47 PM

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What’s an infix function, educate me bbg!

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:47 PM

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function without the . and ()

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

Oh

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

it's a function that can be written in infix notation

#

a.k.a between two things

surreal quarry Jul 24, 2021, 11:47 PM

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its a function that is infix

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

welp

#

or that

#

:))

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

Hmm right no arguments then?

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:47 PM

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no u have to put arguments

#

i think

surreal quarry Jul 24, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

one argument

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

Oh I’m dumb

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:47 PM

#

so ```kotlin
infix fun Int.plus(other: Int) = this + other

// Without infix
1.plus(2)
// With infix
1 plus 2

surreal quarry Jul 24, 2021, 11:48 PM

#

yea that

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:48 PM

#

Ah

#

What’s the benefits?

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:48 PM

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just looks a bit cleaner in some cases

surreal quarry Jul 24, 2021, 11:48 PM

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it runs 25% faster because there are no . or ()

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

ASowyea

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 11:49 PM

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looks very groovy-ish to me :MonikaPeek:

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:49 PM

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so you don't end up with ```
(((3.and(7).or(5)).shl(7).shr(42)).xor(Int.MAX_VALUE))

surreal quarry Jul 24, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

i think that looks nice

steel heart Jul 24, 2021, 11:49 PM

#

Ah lol yeah good point

#

I would like this in Java frankly lol

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:50 PM

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obtuse gale looks very groovy-ish to me :MonikaPeek:

of course

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Kotlin is literally the Yatopia of programming languages, but if Yatopia was actually good

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:50 PM

#

wdym?

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:50 PM

#

they steal most of their stuff from other languages, improve on the syntax, and put it all in one place

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:50 PM

#

oh

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

for example, extension functions are from C#

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

wait whaT

#

c# has erxtension functions?

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

yes

half harness Jul 24, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

😮

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:51 PM

#

I believe there are some Rust-inspired things in Kotlin as well

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 11:52 PM

#

like what

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:52 PM

#

public string append(this string val, int arg1) {
    return val + arg1;
}
```not the greatest example, but iirc that's the syntax

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 11:53 PM

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string 🥴

jovial warren Jul 24, 2021, 11:53 PM

#

lunar cypress like what

idk, I heard it somewhere

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 11:53 PM

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I can't really think of anything

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 11:54 PM

#

well just think

#

Think Johnny, think!

lunar cypress Jul 24, 2021, 11:54 PM

#

head empty

obtuse gale Jul 24, 2021, 11:54 PM

#

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-gif-21416554

Tenor

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:02 AM

#

jovial warren for example, extension functions are from C#

And Scala too, although scala's implementation is much weirder

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:02 AM

#

Scala just has weird syntax overall imo

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:03 AM

#

Didn't kotlin come before rust?

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:03 AM

#

actually, probably

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:03 AM

#

Rust didn't seem to get relevant until a few years ago

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:03 AM

#

neither did Kotlin

#

well, actually, it was like 2017 when they had stable release iirc

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:03 AM

#

kotlin 1.0 released sometime in 2015 iirc?

onyx loom Jul 25, 2021, 12:03 AM

#

2015 sounds about right

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:04 AM

#

yeah sounds about right actually

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:04 AM

#

Possibly 2014

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:04 AM

#

2017 was when Google announced first-class support in Android, which is when it blew up

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:06 AM

#

Weird question

#

But

#

🥲

#

Is this the smiling with tear?

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:07 AM

#

what

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:07 AM

#

The emoji

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:07 AM

#

y...yes...?

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:07 AM

#

Ok thank you life savior honorable functional programmer

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:07 AM

#

😌

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 12:07 AM

#

lol

lunar cypress Jul 25, 2021, 12:08 AM

#

Rust has a bit of a history actually

#

but it changed quite dramatically in its early years

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:08 AM

#

rust has always existed, just as an idea. Like america, it was always a holy land, just out of reach from most

#

the rustacean dream

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:12 AM

#

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/advanced-cheat-blocker.94084/reviews#review-411057-901405 your daily spigot community at your services

SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft

Advanced Cheat Blocker

lunar cypress Jul 25, 2021, 12:12 AM

#

Rust is a higher power. It is the higher power

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:16 AM

#

steel heart https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/advanced-cheat-blocker.94084/reviews#review-4...

which comment are we looking at? Jxyy's or superdominic's?

#

also, I can see we have another Spigot plugin "developer" who can't code to save his fucking life, what a surprise

#

https://i.imgur.com/QRT67c5.png oh yes, because Git is just there to look good

Imgur

flameshot_screenshot

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 12:18 AM

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lmao

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:18 AM

#

Jxyy

#

He went on rampage after he found out the terrible truth his plugin was badly coded sorta

forest pecan Jul 25, 2021, 12:22 AM

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lol

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:25 AM

#

is he just talking out of his ass then?

#

also, I learnt something new today

#

I learnt that java.util.Random uses a linear congruental algorithm for pseudorandom number generation

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:29 AM

#

Is that same for ThreadLocalRandom?

#

And the other one

#

Uh SplittableRandom

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:31 AM

#

ThreadLocalRandom is just a java.util.Random that's local to a specific thread, so yes, and splittable random, maybe, probably a faster version though if it does

#

also, https://paste.helpch.at/qakasazonu.cpp kill me pls

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:32 AM

#

ASSadKanna

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:32 AM

#

weeb

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:33 AM

#

You’re the weeb mitten

#

Remember?

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:33 AM

#

proof?

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:33 AM

#

Yes

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:33 AM

#

No

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:33 AM

#

Uh wait

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:33 AM

#

I don't remember anything

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:33 AM

#

I have a screenshot

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:33 AM

#

yes

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:33 AM

#

steel heart I have a screenshot

No you don't

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:33 AM

#

what you gonna do? hack his PC and delete it? lol

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:34 AM

#

Guys someone who's used jetbrains academy, #development

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:34 AM

#

how could I delete something that doesn't exist?

onyx loom Jul 25, 2021, 12:34 AM

#

jovial warren `ThreadLocalRandom` is just a `java.util.Random` that's local to a specific thre...

ThreadLocalSplittableRandom when 🌚

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:34 AM

#

https://github.com/SRombauts/SimplexNoise/blob/master/references/SimplexNoise.java jfc this is messy

GitHub

SimplexNoise/SimplexNoise.java at master · SRombauts/SimplexNoise

A Perlin's Simplex Noise C++ Implementation (1D, 2D, 3D) - SimplexNoise/SimplexNoise.java at master · SRombauts/SimplexNoise

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:34 AM

#

Most readable java code

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:35 AM

#

prisma wave how could I delete something that doesn't exist?

I have a screenshot too lmao

#

I knew this would happen!

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:35 AM

#

No you don't

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:35 AM

#

I do not have a screenshot.

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:35 AM

#

Correct

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:36 AM

#

#

Proof

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:37 AM

#

Lmao

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:37 AM

#

😳

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:37 AM

#

Caught in 4k

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:37 AM

#

Damn they've got the edgy font and everything

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:37 AM

#

Yes the quality is bad but that’s the best one I could find

#

Lmao

brazen narwhal Jul 25, 2021, 12:38 AM

#

wow you guys all talk here this server is like at the bottom of my server list

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:38 AM

#

@prisma wave you're not gonna like this

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:38 AM

#

Sadge

#

Should move it up

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:39 AM

#

#

I wasn't kidding

#

lmfao

forest pecan Jul 25, 2021, 12:39 AM

#

brazen narwhal wow you guys all talk here this server is like at the bottom of my server list

move it up

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:39 AM

#

brazen narwhal wow you guys all talk here this server is like at the bottom of my server list

What do you think you're doing here!!

forest pecan Jul 25, 2021, 12:39 AM

#

nerd

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:39 AM

#

eternal compass

That isn't real

#

The tag is different

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:39 AM

#

@BM Explain Yourself

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:39 AM

#

It's not the same brister mitten

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:39 AM

#

nitro happened smh

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:40 AM

#

I'm not sure what you're talking about

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:40 AM

#

its from May

#

you boosted the server since then

#

BM#0001

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:41 AM

#

nope

#

no sir

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:41 AM

#

lies

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:41 AM

#

LOL OH yeaaaaaaaaaa Weeeeb mitten

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:41 AM

#

a fake and a fraud

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:41 AM

#

Come back when you've got actual proof ☺️

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:42 AM

#

wait wait I can prove its from a long time ago

#

since thats the old profile design

#

before banners

#

and stuff

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:42 AM

#

But that user could be anyone

#

There's no proof it's me

#

😶‍🌫️

#

\😶‍🌫️

#

😮‍💨

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:43 AM

#

lies

#

its you

#

you know it

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:43 AM

#

🦿

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:43 AM

#

admit it, you're a weeb at heart

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:43 AM

#

👨‍🏫

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:43 AM

#

I'm the only sane one left ;-;

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:43 AM

#

👩‍🎨

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:43 AM

#

you draw anime?

#

;p

half harness Jul 25, 2021, 12:43 AM

#

🤣

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:44 AM

#

🎩

#

🐯

#

🪐

#

🍒

#

🍥

#

🍥

#

🤸

onyx loom Jul 25, 2021, 12:45 AM

#

please stop spamming.

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:45 AM

#

I wasn't

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:46 AM

#

oh weeb mitten was spamming

#

normal bm wasn't

onyx loom Jul 25, 2021, 12:46 AM

#

oh ok 😁

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:46 AM

#

I get it

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:46 AM

#

If u aren't careful I will go back to the java bad kotlin good phase

half harness Jul 25, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

Don't be careful plz

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

uh oh

half harness Jul 25, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

:))

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

everyone shut up

half harness Jul 25, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

noo

#

kotlin good

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

half harness Don't be careful plz

Cringe

half harness Jul 25, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

😈

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

Monad Mitten 😌

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

dkim is cringe

#

@sirsquare can we have xp boost kthx

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

It’s cringe to say cringe

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:47 AM

#

awe right as he goes offline

half harness Jul 25, 2021, 12:48 AM

#

eternal compass awe right as he goes offline

who?

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:48 AM

#

sirsquare

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:48 AM

#

steel heart It’s cringe to say cringe

I do not not not caren't

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 12:48 AM

#

prisma wave proof?

Hello

#

I have some

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:49 AM

#

@prisma wave heres a ss of you as a weeb

#

🪞

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:49 AM

#

No you don't

#

Leave me alone

#

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:49 AM

#

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:50 AM

#

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:50 AM

#

Oh my

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:50 AM

#

This is your future waifu

#

Congrats

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:50 AM

#

steel heart

did you make this?

#

lol

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:51 AM

#

No lol

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:51 AM

#

Lmao bitch phone has got some nerve

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:51 AM

#

Lmao

#

Hit that sleep (:

onyx loom Jul 25, 2021, 12:53 AM

#

go to bed

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:53 AM

#

fine

#

only for you babe

#

Bye

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:54 AM

#

haskell will be in your dreams (:

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:55 AM

#

@prisma wave have nightmares java

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:55 AM

#

NPCDryadNotLike

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:55 AM

#

javaScript java java java java typeScript kotlin java java java java

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:56 AM

#

TS and Kotlin good

#

JS can go to hell

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:56 AM

#

surrounded by bad

#

:p

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:56 AM

#

Oh I see

#

Traitor

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:56 AM

#

hey I like typescript

#

js is awful

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:56 AM

#

Indeed

#

Altho JS can be nice for short stuff

#

And when you aren’t doing something particularly large that is

eternal compass Jul 25, 2021, 12:58 AM

#

steel heart And when you aren’t doing something particularly large that is

I'd say anything console.log('loaded') and below is fine for JS, agreed

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:59 AM

#

Then we got python

#

The best language of all times

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:07 PM

#

   private void levelUp(User user) {
        user.setLevel(user.getLevel() + 1);
        Option.of(xpConfig.get().levelUpSound())
                .peek(levelUpSound ->
                        user.getPlayer()
                                .peek(player ->
                                        player.playSound(player.getLocation(), levelUpSound, 1f, 1f)));
    }

vavr is my favourite library ever

#

literally looking like desugared haskell over here

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:09 PM

#

prisma wave ```java private void levelUp(User user) { user.setLevel(user.getLevel...

that looks like what would happen if someone tried to port arrow to Java

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:09 PM

#

vavr came first 🙂

#

probably

jovial warren Jul 25, 2021, 12:09 PM

#

before Java or before Kotlin?

#

or before arrow?

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:10 PM

#

before arrow

#

and before kotlin too

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:10 PM

#

prisma wave ```java private void levelUp(User user) { user.setLevel(user.getLevel...

Jesus

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:13 PM

#

it's hot isn't it

cinder flare Jul 25, 2021, 12:13 PM

#

im still really sad about my bar

ocean quartz Jul 25, 2021, 12:26 PM

#

prisma wave ```java private void levelUp(User user) { user.setLevel(user.getLevel...

Nice stairs

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 12:27 PM

#

lol ye

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 12:40 PM

#

😌

#

https://img.bristermitten.me/screen_2021-07-25_13-50-20_OKFx.png

#

is there a way of turning this into normal files

#

self-hosted gitlab files btw

distant sun Jul 25, 2021, 12:57 PM

#

Question, is possible to show a "virtual" entity to a player and make it have gravity then despawn it after a few seconds? Like, to simulate a mob that was spawned from a spawner that is placed in air (and obvious it is affected by gravity)

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 1:12 PM

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packets?

distant sun Jul 25, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Yes, im just asking if it would be possible

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I just need it for an animation

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Yea should be

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Hello

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Hi

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:14 PM

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i need help

compact perchBOT Jul 25, 2021, 1:14 PM

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There is no time to wait! Ask your question @obtuse gale!

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:15 PM

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I need an phone number to verify my account

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Please

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 1:15 PM

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Try 999

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:15 PM

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No not like that

pallid gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:15 PM

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A discord account?

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 1:16 PM

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69420

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:17 PM

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Noo

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on an discord server

pallid gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:17 PM

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Use your own phone?

quiet depot Jul 25, 2021, 1:18 PM

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search "mock phone number <insert country>"

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fool proof

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 1:18 PM

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@obtuse gale
No need to dm me

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Ask what you want in any channel

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Ok

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I want..

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A phone number just to verify

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my account on another discord server

pallid gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Use your own phone?

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Wait. For. Your. Parents.

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:20 PM

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old wyvern Wait. For. Your. Parents.

From their number i m already banned

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:20 PM

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pallid gale > Use your own phone?

don,y have one

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 1:20 PM

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Then dont bother

quiet depot Jul 25, 2021, 1:20 PM

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ask your grandpappy

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:20 PM

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old wyvern Then dont bother

😦

cinder flare Jul 25, 2021, 1:20 PM

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obtuse gale don,y have one

why not?

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 1:20 PM

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Probably very young

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:20 PM

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quiet depot ask your grandpappy

Died 😭

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:20 PM

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old wyvern Probably very young

Yes i m nearly 15

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Bye

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then]

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😦

pallid gale Jul 25, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Yeah not sure we can assist with getting around a ban :/

ocean quartz Jul 25, 2021, 1:36 PM

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That was a fun interaction lol

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 1:47 PM

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Stupid ass. Why did you not provide link? Now you're stuck with the same problem. Dumbass

crimson tusk Jul 25, 2021, 4:00 PM

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yo like a file called access.txt or something appeared on my desktop, it had like a login a website and a password or something, i deleted the file in the recycle bin

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 4:00 PM

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ok

cinder flare Jul 25, 2021, 4:01 PM

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good for you 🙂

crimson tusk Jul 25, 2021, 4:01 PM

#

e

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 4:01 PM

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f?

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 4:01 PM

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hilarious pfp btw lol

crimson tusk Jul 25, 2021, 4:01 PM

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thanks lol

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 4:30 PM

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@cinder flare u around?
I've seen you work on the essentials expansion to add the baltop feature. Do you have a build or anything for it?

cinder flare Jul 25, 2021, 4:30 PM

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static zealot <@!186255788212355073> u around? I've seen you work on the essentials expansion...

📎 PAPI-Expansion-Essentials.jar

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 4:31 PM

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the code on your github as well?

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so I can see the placeholders

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nope its not. ty tho.

cinder flare Jul 25, 2021, 4:32 PM

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no just a little local boi

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guess I could make a branch on the essentials expansion page

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 4:33 PM

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yeah u could. but its fine. I just want to test something that's all. welp when I get a bit of time

cinder flare Jul 25, 2021, 4:33 PM

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ty lol

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i made cube test it a little

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gave it to one guy

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 4:33 PM

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you could also put it in #placeholder-api btw when you want. and just ping me to pin. like lleave a message saying it will only work with 2.19 builds and its a test build as well.

cinder flare Jul 25, 2021, 4:34 PM

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oh yeah I mean bet

cinder flare Jul 25, 2021, 4:40 PM

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static zealot so I can see the placeholders

#placeholder-api message

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 4:40 PM

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alright. pinned. can u maybe move the placeholder list to the same message?

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so when they read pinned it actually explain what it is?

cinder flare Jul 25, 2021, 4:41 PM

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oh I was just showing you that

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 4:41 PM

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ohh xD

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lmao

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alr ty

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welp will leave it pinned anyways

cinder flare Jul 25, 2021, 4:42 PM

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you can do a big consolidated announcement if you want lol

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cleanup my formatting and all

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 4:43 PM

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to lazy and busy for that. xD

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will do later tho

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 5:52 PM

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@old wyvern separate version for the maven plugin?

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:00 PM

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yea

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Im thinking of separating the repos

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some people seem to be confused by the different versioning

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 6:05 PM

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oh well I will make this as a subproject for now

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but new versioning

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:05 PM

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👍 👍

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 6:05 PM

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does slimjar have a discord

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:05 PM

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Not yet

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👀

ocean quartz Jul 25, 2021, 6:05 PM

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Yes, it's HelpChat ;p

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 6:05 PM

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lol fair

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:05 PM

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😌

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 6:06 PM

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Matt u making IJ plugins by any chance? XD

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 6:07 PM

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matt monopoly!

ocean quartz Jul 25, 2021, 6:07 PM

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I did work on one once, why?

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:10 PM

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mf-ij

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 6:11 PM

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ocean quartz I did work on one once, why?

any chance you can make one that just generates a .gitignore file with .gradle, build and all that by default? xD

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when you crate a new project

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and this is how a conversation between me and HELLSHOWERS aka Terfs aka Adam aka LagClear goes.

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:15 PM

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Intellij already has that blitz

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 6:16 PM

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oh?

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:16 PM

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yep

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 6:16 PM

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name please?

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Its built-in

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 6:16 PM

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static zealot and this is how a conversation between me and HELLSHOWERS aka Terfs aka Adam aka...

oh shit posted in wrong channel smiling_face_with_3_tears

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cry

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 6:16 PM

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old wyvern Its built-in

oh wait what? how? please gimme me link or something.

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:17 PM

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one sec, lemme open up ij so I can find exact where it was

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Its somewhere in the right click menu in the heirarchy

ocean quartz Jul 25, 2021, 6:19 PM

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Yeah pretty sure IJ does it

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If not, just use https://www.toptal.com/developers/gitignore

gitignore.io

Create useful .gitignore files for your project

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 6:19 PM

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ty ty ty

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:19 PM

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right click a directory -> new -> .ignore file -> git ignore

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Then select the idea template, java template and gradle template

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 6:20 PM

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k. ty. will try a bit later. ty ty ty

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:20 PM

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static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 6:26 PM

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ugh

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right click a directory? what directory? bcz I can't find .ignore file

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anywhere under New

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oh

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you need the .ignore plugin lmao

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 6:30 PM

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@quiet depot hi pig guice expert, how do you like to handle registering listeners with guice? like, no other class depends on them, but they still need to be instantiated. i was thinking about binding them all as eager singletons, unless you have a better idea?

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:32 PM

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static zealot you need the `.ignore` plugin lmao

That comes with ij?

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 6:32 PM

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nope it does not

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at least not for me

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:32 PM

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Are you on community edition?

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 6:32 PM

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oh yeah

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 6:32 PM

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Yea that might be why

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Im pretty sure it comes with ultimate atleast

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Because it was always there for me

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never manually installed it

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 6:42 PM

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prisma wave <@!181675431362035712> hi pig guice expert, how do you like to handle registerin...

Registrable ASowyea

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 6:47 PM

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nah

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im not using classpath stuff for this

half harness Jul 25, 2021, 7:10 PM

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[Service] Discord Bot Developer
[Request] Virtual stocks creator (stock market game to convert to money in minecraft)
[Description] Thats all!
what's the point of a description if he's not going to put any description

surreal quarry Jul 25, 2021, 7:12 PM

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you figure out everything about how it works on your own and just make it happen

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thats not the clients job idiot /s

stuck harbor Jul 25, 2021, 7:39 PM

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that hit

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:14 PM

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what happened to efefury btw

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guy's a goner

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?

forest pecan Jul 25, 2021, 8:14 PM

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steel heart what happened to efefury btw

Got banned

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Underage

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:14 PM

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oh uetf

forest pecan Jul 25, 2021, 8:14 PM

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Yea

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:15 PM

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whats the age limit btw

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always forgetting that one

onyx loom Jul 25, 2021, 8:15 PM

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16 in germany

forest pecan Jul 25, 2021, 8:15 PM

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For Germany it’s like 16

onyx loom Jul 25, 2021, 8:15 PM

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he was only 15

forest pecan Jul 25, 2021, 8:15 PM

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Yeah

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:15 PM

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oh

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feels like half of discords user base are underage then

onyx loom Jul 25, 2021, 8:15 PM

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🥲

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its only a handful of countries that have difference age laws tho, like most of the world will use 13 as the minimum age

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:16 PM

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ah

forest pecan Jul 25, 2021, 8:16 PM

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^

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You see

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If I was in Germany

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:16 PM

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then u'd be banned?

forest pecan Jul 25, 2021, 8:16 PM

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Yes

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But I’m not

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:17 PM

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you're 15?

forest pecan Jul 25, 2021, 8:17 PM

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I’m AMERIXAN

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:17 PM

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lol

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 8:17 PM

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Visit efe and join the banned gang

forest pecan Jul 25, 2021, 8:17 PM

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Nop

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:17 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-trump-hug-american-flag-usa-gif-17768862

Tenor

old wyvern Jul 25, 2021, 8:17 PM

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trumph-flag

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:17 PM

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lmao

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@serene cave

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you there!!?

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 8:21 PM

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guess not

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btw who's alt is that again? I Forgot

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:22 PM

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blitz you owe me one!

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 8:22 PM

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steel heart blitz you owe me one!

what?

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:22 PM

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add to deluxemenus or ban

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 8:22 PM

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why do I owe u one?

steel heart Jul 25, 2021, 8:22 PM

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why not?

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https://tenor.com/view/smart-gif-9596539

Tenor

ornate edge Jul 25, 2021, 9:27 PM

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I really suck at this stuff, can someone help me change my server from 1.17 to 1.13?

obtuse gale Jul 25, 2021, 9:28 PM

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wh- why would you do that

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 9:32 PM

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oh my god

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someone that isn't us posted a kotlin meme

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https://www.reddit.com/r/kotlinmemes/comments/ofsrih/family/

r/kotlinmemes - Family

2 votes and 0 comments so far on Reddit

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it's actually pretty funny as well

surreal quarry Jul 25, 2021, 9:37 PM

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lmfao

distant sun Jul 25, 2021, 9:40 PM

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lmao

static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 9:52 PM

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Wait what. 118 members?

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Lmao. Reddit requires you to type in passeord to be able to disconnect

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From their mobile app

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Password*

onyx loom Jul 25, 2021, 9:58 PM

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static zealot Jul 25, 2021, 10:01 PM

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Ic the community js growing and improving xD

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 10:01 PM

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onyx loom

hahahahahahahah

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who are these people

onyx loom Jul 25, 2021, 10:51 PM

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who knows

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just some more kotlin fanboys i suppose 😌

quiet depot Jul 25, 2021, 11:05 PM

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prisma wave <@!181675431362035712> hi pig guice expert, how do you like to handle registerin...

i scan for classes extending listener, get an instance via injector#getInstance, and then register the instance

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no point making them singletons as the instance will never be accessed again via guice, by you

prisma wave Jul 25, 2021, 11:20 PM

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ah so yeah classpath scanning

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I'm not sure I can be bothered to set that up just for a single thing

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eager singleton seems to work

fallow remnant Jul 26, 2021, 12:27 AM

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So minecraft sends the map-image via a byte[], with the size of 128*128, right

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Does anyone know how i convert color to a byte / get the closest matching byte for a given Color

forest pecan Jul 26, 2021, 12:57 AM

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You have to use dithering algorithms

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there are many types of algorithms out there, like floyd steinberg dithering, filter lite

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choose one, apply it to the pixels of an image

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etc

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i have some examples

fallow remnant Jul 26, 2021, 12:58 AM

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yeah i get that there are limited colors, and dither would add "fake" color depth
but my problem starts sooner

forest pecan Jul 26, 2021, 12:58 AM

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What about it

fallow remnant Jul 26, 2021, 12:59 AM

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i have trouble converting even those colors that can be displayed in a single pixel

forest pecan Jul 26, 2021, 12:59 AM

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wdym?

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coudl you elaborate

fallow remnant Jul 26, 2021, 12:59 AM

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I have a R, a G, and a B value

forest pecan Jul 26, 2021, 12:59 AM

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Yes

fallow remnant Jul 26, 2021, 12:59 AM

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and i somehow need to create a value between 0 and 255 from that, right?

forest pecan Jul 26, 2021, 1:00 AM

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Uhh

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what does that mean

#

you talking about combining it to an integer?

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all rgb colors

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what "value" are you creating here

fallow remnant Jul 26, 2021, 1:01 AM

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The texture, in the PacketPlayOutMap

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is being sent as a byte array

forest pecan Jul 26, 2021, 1:01 AM

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Yea?

fallow remnant Jul 26, 2021, 1:01 AM

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every pixel, is a byte

forest pecan Jul 26, 2021, 1:01 AM

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Mhm

fallow remnant Jul 26, 2021, 1:01 AM

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i have the R G B value for every pixel

forest pecan Jul 26, 2021, 1:01 AM

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Ah

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ic

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Let me look at my code at that packet

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I remember using a bytebuffer

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As an example: https://github.com/MinecraftMediaLibrary/MinecraftMediaLibrary/blob/73f55293eab7182ac16fcd22a636cf466b3b0f8c/main/src/main/java/io/github/pulsebeat02/minecraftmedialibrary/frame/dither/FilterLiteDither.java#L199

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that is filter lite dithering

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with a bytebuffer

#

then for the bytebuffer

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in my nms code i applied it as such:

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https://github.com/MinecraftMediaLibrary/MinecraftMediaLibrary/blob/73f55293eab7182ac16fcd22a636cf466b3b0f8c/v1_17_R1/src/main/java/io/github/pulsebeat02/minecraftmedialibrary/nms/impl/v1_17_R1/NMSMapPacketIntercepter.java#L87

fallow remnant Jul 26, 2021, 1:04 AM

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Thanks ill take i a look at it

forest pecan Jul 26, 2021, 1:04 AM

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np

timber oak Jul 26, 2021, 1:22 AM

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When does a paste get deleted?

#

Helpchat paste ofc

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 1:23 AM

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I don't think they do

timber oak Jul 26, 2021, 1:23 AM

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Ehhh seems a bit weird

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 1:23 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

the very first message of a helpch.at paste on this server still exists

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#general-plugins message

forest pecan Jul 26, 2021, 1:37 AM

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https://github.com/pivovarit/throwing-function

GitHub

GitHub - pivovarit/throwing-function: Checked Exceptions-enabled Ja...

Checked Exceptions-enabled Java 8+ functional interfaces + adapters - GitHub - pivovarit/throwing-function: Checked Exceptions-enabled Java 8+ functional interfaces + adapters

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mmmmm

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Sneaky

timber oak Jul 26, 2021, 1:46 AM

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obtuse gale the very first message of a helpch.at paste on this server still exists

wow okay

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 1:58 AM

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Anyone good with system administration? I’m kind of killing myself over it.

lavish notch Jul 26, 2021, 2:33 AM

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obtuse gale Anyone good with system administration? I’m kind of killing myself over it.

Still looking?

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 2:34 AM

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lavish notch Still looking?

Yeah, I'm super stuck on opening port 22 on a Ubuntu 18.04 VM.

lavish notch Jul 26, 2021, 2:35 AM

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obtuse gale Yeah, I'm super stuck on opening port 22 on a Ubuntu 18.04 VM.

How come you're using a VM?

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 2:36 AM

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lavish notch How come you're using a VM?

Trying to set up an old computer as a server PC.

lavish notch Jul 26, 2021, 2:36 AM

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Why not just install the OS directly on the old computer?

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 2:37 AM

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lavish notch Why not just install the OS directly on the old computer?

Didn't think of that lmao.

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@lavish notch So, I ran the command ssh -p 2200 alexersion@localhost.

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That works, yet when someone replaces the localhost with my IP, it doesn't.

lavish notch Jul 26, 2021, 2:39 AM

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Did you portforward?

half harness Jul 26, 2021, 2:39 AM

#

btw ubuntu isn't required for a server thonking
It's usually used because it has better performance than windows iirc, but if you're using a VM, the vm will probably slow it down anyways

Also the VM might be the one messing up port forwarding
¯_(ツ)_/¯

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at least i think thats why its used

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 2:40 AM

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lavish notch Did you portforward?

As in port 2200?

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 2:40 AM

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half harness btw ubuntu isn't required for a server <:thonking:379541184697204736> It's usua...

WSL cursed_fingerguns

lavish notch Jul 26, 2021, 2:40 AM

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obtuse gale That works, yet when someone replaces the localhost with my IP, it doesn't.

This.

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 2:40 AM

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lavish notch This.

I'm unsure. I port-forwarded 25565 earlier and it worked fine.

lavish notch Jul 26, 2021, 2:41 AM

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obtuse gale I'm unsure. I port-forwarded 25565 earlier and it worked fine.

What about 2200?

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 2:41 AM

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Haven't tried.

lavish notch Jul 26, 2021, 2:42 AM

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Assuming what you're saying is ssh doesn't work when using your external IP, then port forward 2200.

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 2:45 AM

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@lavish notch New error.

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ssh: connect to host [ip] port 2200: Connection refused

lavish notch Jul 26, 2021, 2:45 AM

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obtuse gale ```ssh: connect to host [ip] port 2200: Connection refused```

What OS?

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*What OS is the old computer

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 2:46 AM

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lavish notch What OS?

MacOS.

lavish notch Jul 26, 2021, 2:46 AM

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What version of MacOS?

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 2:48 AM

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Catalina 10.15.7.

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@lavish notch.

lavish notch Jul 26, 2021, 2:50 AM

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https://osxdaily.com/2016/08/16/enable-ssh-mac-command-line/

OS X Daily

Paul Horowitz

How to Enable SSH on a Mac from the Command Line

All modern Macs running macOS or Mac OS X come with SSH pre-installed by default, but the SSH (Secure Shell) daemon is also disabled by default. Advanced Mac users may appreciate knowing the abilit…

cinder flare Jul 26, 2021, 3:49 AM

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obtuse gale WSL <:cursed_fingerguns:740566777473532007>

Good luck port forwarding that bitch

#

Took me like 3 days to get something working out of it

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 3:52 AM

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lol

#

Got it finally working.

#

My stupid problem was that I did 127.0.0.0 instead of 0.0.0.0 lmao.

#

This is why I should not be in charge of system administration.

forest pecan Jul 26, 2021, 4:07 AM

#

#

This is so funny lmfao

steel heart Jul 26, 2021, 6:44 AM

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Lol

static zealot Jul 26, 2021, 7:43 AM

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material ui is gone?

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oh that's a review

#

lmao

#

I can see very well guys. I Definitely don't have focus and visual problems

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:38 AM

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package private is kinda underrated

potent nest Jul 26, 2021, 9:40 AM

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hide those implementations!

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:40 AM

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yeah

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 9:40 AM

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package private = poor man's jigsaw

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:40 AM

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like

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you can have mutable pojos but hide the mutator methods and then provide public manager types that wrap them

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it's sick

cinder flare Jul 26, 2021, 9:42 AM

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bm... likes oop?

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:43 AM

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well im not gonna be making functional plugins

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sadly

cinder flare Jul 26, 2021, 9:43 AM

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😦

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:43 AM

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but sure oop is fine as long as you don't go crazy

cinder flare Jul 26, 2021, 9:43 AM

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clojure plugins?!

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:43 AM

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🤢

#

i think i've actually come to the conclusion that i prefer java over kotlin

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with modern versions and a few libraries java is really nice

cinder flare Jul 26, 2021, 9:44 AM

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until you have to code a plugin for a 1.7 server

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:44 AM

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i'd rather die

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 9:44 AM

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mood

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:45 AM

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idk theres something about java where it heavily encourages you to write clean code

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whereas with kotlin i still try but it doesnt feel quite as organised and well structured

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 9:46 AM

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This is one of the things I keep saying why I don't like Kotlin, Java is very constraining in syntax (and overall ways you can do something) whereas Kotlin is really open about it to the point I don't know if what I'm doing is right or wrong

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:47 AM

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yeah I agree - the tools kotlin gives might be more productive on paper but they also introduce a lot more complexity and are easier to abuse

#

extension functions for example are nice until you try and make them work with dependency injection

cinder flare Jul 26, 2021, 9:49 AM

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maybe I'm not using the right libraries but Kotlin's syntax feels so much cleaner and more expressive than I've ever seen from Java

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especially related to like functional stuff

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:49 AM

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sure the syntax is nicer in a lot of places

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but i don't think it "scales" as well, there's something about the language that means it usually develops into a mess with larger codebases

cinder flare Jul 26, 2021, 9:51 AM

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I mean you can still follow the Java-style for your code in most cases

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:51 AM

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yeah you can, but it doesn't feel quite the same

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i really can't put it into words

obtuse gale Jul 26, 2021, 9:51 AM

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You wouldn't code in Kotlin to write java, would you

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:51 AM

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^

cinder flare Jul 26, 2021, 9:51 AM

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Maybe you just have stockholm-syndrome for the heavy chains of Java

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:51 AM

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maybe lol

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there's just something about kotlin that doesn't feel as nice with larger codebases

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i think it's because of the temptation to use the syntax sugar-y stuff everywhere

cinder flare Jul 26, 2021, 9:52 AM

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obtuse gale You wouldn't code in Kotlin to write java, would you

I mean if you're worried about scalability and managing larger codebases, surely you can treat Kotlin as Java with some better syntax and modern features like coroutines

potent nest Jul 26, 2021, 9:52 AM

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It's way easier to write messy code with Kotlin imo

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:52 AM

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yeah

cinder flare Jul 26, 2021, 9:52 AM

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Well of course

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That's part of freedom

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Java is one of the most restrictive languages in existence

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And it produced enterprise code that we all groan at

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:54 AM

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constraints create freedom

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freedom creates constraints

potent nest Jul 26, 2021, 9:54 AM

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for me, Kotlin is more like for prototyping, quick implementations of simple things etc

cinder flare Jul 26, 2021, 9:54 AM

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Are you a GPL supporter now as well BM?

prisma wave Jul 26, 2021, 9:54 AM

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no

cinder flare Jul 26, 2021, 9:54 AM

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That's the same argument