it would be java
#dev-general
winged oyster
obtuse gale
c++?
half harness
they just said java .-.
timber oak
Mate I think you're the wrong place if you want to learn something like that
obtuse gale
.-.
obtuse gale
is making a plugin profitable? depends how unique the plugin is right?
winged oyster
is making a plugin profitable? depends how unique the plugin is right?
making plugins can definitely be profitable, but not enough to keep you afloat
timber oak
is making a plugin profitable? depends how unique the plugin is right?
It can be, yes
half harness
a more-effort bedwars plugin will be more profitable then a low-effort bedwars plugin
winged oyster
but yeah selling plugins can easily get you some money on the spigot market
half harness
even though they're not original
obtuse gale
how long you guys learn java?
half harness
~10 months so far
winged oyster
how long you guys learn java?
uhh technically 7 years but i can't say i've been "learning" that whole time
half harness
i dont use java anymore though
obtuse gale
phyton?
timber oak
If you just want to make money you shouldn't go for plugins imo
half harness
no
winged oyster
i learned the basics around 7 years ago but i only started actually using it regularly about 5 years ago
half harness
i learned the basics around 7 years ago but i only started actually using it reg...
ooo so ur java pro
xD
obtuse gale
If you just want to make money you shouldn't go for plugins imo
nah just asking m8
winged oyster
ooo so ur java pro
probably not
half harness
If you just want to make money you shouldn't go for plugins imo
dont learn plugins just for money @obtuse gale
half harness
probably not
obtuse gale
nah just asking m8
didn't you see this
winged oyster
<:Thonk:717979132549660693>
I've been using it for a long time but i definitely don't think i'm a pro. I've learned some APIs but there are still a lot of concepts i don't get
obtuse gale
;-;
half harness
I've been using it for a long time but i definitely don't think i'm a pro. I've ...
oh
hm
winged oyster
i still don't fully understand reflection
obtuse gale
i learn java for 5 days to make "hellow world"
half harness
can't spell hello correct 
obtuse gale
lol
winged oyster
i learn java for 5 days to make "hellow world"
Damn, you're already a java pro after 5 days
obtuse gale
nah... i use an apps
half harness
Damn, you're already a java pro after 5 days
learned what you learned in 5 years in 5 days
obtuse gale
its like a compatition apps
so... i just be no 1 everyday
learning java
then off
timber oak
Also, trust me, learn java BEFORE spigot, it will help you so much
winged oyster
^^^^^^
obtuse gale
i always want to learn java
half harness
?learn-java
compact perchBOT
FAQ Answer:
obtuse gale
just lack of time
winged oyster
w3schools 🤔
obtuse gale
ouh
winged oyster
I've heard a lot that w3schools is really outdated but i have no idea how accurate that is
half harness
lol funny enough i've used none of these to help me learn java
timber oak
lol funny enough i've used none of these to help me learn java
same
obtuse gale
hmm staff lurking 100% sure
half harness
same
i just used a bad spigot coding series and helpchat
and some quick googling sometimes
but no courses
timber oak
i just used a bad spigot coding series and helpchat
Lol it works
winged oyster
I learned from a game development youtube series
timber oak
I found some university site that taught java way better imo
half harness
recently though i took the java sololearn course to see how much i knew and completed it so quick 🥲
obtuse gale
learning for first time like... bruh what this dev did?... really messy... learn java for years... "now ik why it's messy"
half harness
hava ftw
obtuse gale
hava?
timber oak
the best place to learn java is probably mooc.fi
Not even english though
obtuse gale
yeh matt
half harness
learning for first time like... bruh what this dev did?... really messy... *lear...
*learn **hava *for years...
winged oyster
Not even english though
There are courses in english pretty sure
let me find the link
obtuse gale
> *learn **hava **for years...*
nuh
half harness
smh
winged oyster
half harness
edited
winged oyster
https://www.mooc.fi/en
I didn't learn java from this but if i had to learn it again from scratch this is what i would use
obtuse gale
No caps
timber oak
This is the one I used GioD
timber oak
Finally someone who used it lol
obtuse gale
Delete
timber oak
I didn't learn java from this but if i had to learn it again from scratch this i...
Best site for learning java imo, without doubt
timber oak
Oh no, Skript
obtuse gale
Skripting boi
ocean quartz
#placeholder-api For papi help, if it's a skript issue i doubt anyone here knows anything about it
serene moon
Oke
winged oyster
what language should i learn when i'm done with my last major java project? i'm thinking about rust cause i've heard it's really neat and recent but kotlin also seems like a good alternative
obtuse gale
C++
winged oyster
probably not a great question to ask but i'm interested in hearing feedback from people who do what i do
timber oak
Python imo
half harness
uh
timber oak
Great language to know
half harness
i disagree
timber oak
Well, it really depends on what you want to use the language for
obtuse gale
Or learn Unreal Engine and make some moneyh
half harness
rust is cool too
old wyvern
what language should i learn when i'm done with my last major java project? i'm ...
Haskell
ocean quartz
Or learn Unreal Engine and make some moneyh
That'd be C++
half harness
winged oyster
maybe python, i'm not as big on machine learning as i was a couple years ago but i'm still interested in it
obtuse gale
That'd be C++
Yeh
half harness
haskell bad
old wyvern
haskell bad
skim bad
obtuse gale
I did something in Unreal software... It's FPS game.. kinda buggy af
timber oak
What would you use the language for GioD?
winged oyster
What would you use the language for GioD?
web development i suppose
half harness
import Data.Char
p :: String -> IO ()
p ip = putStrLn $ fc ip
main = do {
r;
}
r :: IO ()
r = do
p . g $ m gl
gl :: [String]
gl = c "ghi" (-6)
g :: [String] -> String
g = head . tail
f :: [String] -> [String]
f i = filter (v) i
fc :: String -> String
fc st = filter (ic) st
ic :: Char -> Bool
ic ch = ch /= '\''
m :: [String] -> [String]
m i = f $ fmap (\x -> x) i
v :: String -> Bool
v _ = True
c :: String -> Int -> [String]
c i cf = (\x -> show $ chr $ ord x + cf) <$> i
```made this myself in haskell It's used for telling other devs that they should use it
old wyvern
This is another one i've heard a lot. What's haskell normally used for?
Nothing specific, its a general purpose language
winged oyster
Ah alright
old wyvern
Facebook uses it for spam filtering
obtuse gale
```hs
import Data.Char
p :: String -> IO ()
p ip = putStrLn $ fc ip
main = do {...
what on earth is this
old wyvern
Github uses it to detect languages
obtuse gale
I can't hold dev eyes
winged oyster
i should've specified earlier that i'm trying to do web development
old wyvern
Use Elm
half harness
what on earth is this
haskell
winged oyster
so that's why kotlin and rust stuck out to me
half harness
kotlin will be easy to learn tho
old wyvern
obtuse gale
What Haskell for
half harness
since u know java already
old wyvern
General purpose
winged oyster
i've seen some really pretty haskell code
timber oak
web development i suppose
Python is pretty decent for web development
obtuse gale
@ocean quartz How long you learn Java or any programming
half harness
ohh no
old wyvern
https://elm-lang.org/
@winged oyster
half harness
Python is pretty decent for web development
i disagree
winged oyster
python can be good but there are 100% better languages
obtuse gale
Who the f use Python for Web Dev wth
winged oyster
https://elm-lang.org/
interesting, thank you for the recommendation
timber oak
JavaScript is better surely
ocean quartz
<@!180369172046413824> How long you learn Java or any programming
How long it took me to learn? Or when did I start learning?
obtuse gale
How long it took me to learn? Or when did I start learning?
Yeah
timber oak
But python isn't bad for web development
ocean quartz
Nice
old wyvern
Twitter
obtuse gale
Why
ocean quartz
Your answer doesn't answer any of my questions lol
obtuse gale
Who the f use Python for Web Dev wth
Feels weird?...
winged oyster
alright, thank you all for the feedback
obtuse gale
Your answer doesn't answer any of my questions lol
How long did you learn Java or any programming coding?... When did you start
ocean quartz
Probably like 7/8 years ago, i don't remember anymore
ocean quartz
Till now
winged oyster
Oh wow, i started 7 years ago but it was really on/off
obtuse gale
I need senpai to teach me
obtuse gale
course?
winged oyster
ocean quartz
I think i started learning C in school when i was 16
timber oak
What you agreed?
With GioD
obtuse gale
How long to be semi expert on Java
winged oyster
How long to be semi expert on Java
depends on how much you learn
you could be an expert in a year if you study every day and code regularly
obtuse gale
24h per/day?
winged oyster
there's no real definition of "expert"
obtuse gale
Professional?
half harness
24h per/day?
probably not
half harness
if you do everything in one day you might forget it the next day
obtuse gale
probably not
Not?
timber oak
You have to specify then, you can master a lot of different things just within Java
ocean quartz
So C in 2013, Java in 2014, so 7 years since I started with Java
obtuse gale
if you do everything in one day you might forget it the next day
Then continue the next day without sleeping
or sleep only 2h
old wyvern
You might end up with syntax errors
old wyvern
🥲
winged oyster
i'd say if you used mooc.fi, you could probably do 1 lesson every day and then be decent in about 2 weeks
and that'd be a good starting point to learn spigot
obtuse gale
guru is bad?
winged oyster
guru is bad?
Don't know what that is
obtuse gale
Oh f... Part 1 already long
winged oyster
yeah java's not a small language
obtuse gale
Thanks m8 imma bookmark the website
winged oyster
no problem
I'm not really sure what's the best way to learn spigot, i learned it by watching a 2-3 youtube videos and browsing the forums
obtuse gale
Youtube sux
fax
Cuz it's use old language
I tried to follow some of it not working
ocean quartz
Thanks m8 imma bookmark the website
Good ol bookmark and never use 🥲
winged oyster
if you prefer youtube, another good way to learn java is probably freecodecamp
freecodecamp is awesome
obtuse gale
Thanks again ❤️
frail glade
Have had this on in the background for the past 30 minutes or so. Pretty peaceful. https://github.audio/
prisma wave
😌
boreal needle
if i only change build scripts should i still increment the version?
obtuse gale
patch version tho 👀
that is to say things that use the api depend on major.minor only
eternal compass
okay you're probably all gonna hate on me for this, but I started converting my bot from Javascript to Typescript, and its soo nice
(compared)
and it makes webstorm actually useful
and I can define models of data to give myself, so its consistent
obtuse gale
TS good
onyx loom
why would we hate u for that lol
the only way ud be hated would be if u were using php 👀
prisma wave
That's like the least hateable thing possible
steel heart
forest pecan
the while(true) needs to be plugged in lol
its not on right now
it should be short circuiting xD
steel heart
¯_(ツ)_/¯
eternal compass
why would we hate u for that lol
Well ya'll hate js, so I assumed you'd hate ts
onyx loom
TS good
steel heart
Yes but all ts isn’t valid js
eternal compass
Right
old wyvern
Elm good
steel heart
And if you use ts I hope you’re not just writing js code fred lol
eternal compass
I'm not lmao
steel heart
old wyvern
Give Elm a try when you have time, The compiler pretty much assists you through most of the issues
eternal compass
I might OS the bot at some point for code review purposes
steel heart
Give Elm a try when you have time, The compiler pretty much assists you through ...
does it have like full aim assist? 👀
eternal compass
Give Elm a try when you have time, The compiler pretty much assists you through ...
Does it support npm?
old wyvern
Does it support npm?
Yes
old wyvern
does it have like full aim assist? 👀
👀
eternal compass
Yes
old wyvern
Yes, PTSD included
eternal compass
I wrote an api in php, worst 3 days of my life
old wyvern
Ever written 5 pages of html on paper?
eternal compass
Oh and I attempted a pmmp plugin, I stg
old wyvern
🥲
eternal compass
Ever written 5 pages of html on paper?
I'm not insane...
obtuse gale
TIL you can do this in gradle.settings.kts
onyx loom
squirtgun 
steel heart
you would not need any parenthesis with groovy thus groovy is better
lunar cypress
But I love parentheses
obtuse gale
(oh i
(know you
(do)))
lunar cypress
😌
steel heart
😔
forest pecan
☹️
pulsar violet
My discord settings are correct but I can’t verify
old wyvern
Elm is supposed to be easier to use. Im not familiar enough with purescript to compare more.
cinder flare
Bro did they change the discord highlight color again
the top bar that says you have new messages is way darker
and it looks like @'s were darker too
pulsar violet
ohoh i use it
half harness
lol
obtuse gale
i prefer it
ocean quartz
Me too
humble silo
that is 100% a different color
I swear to god they change the discord logo every couple of months just to mess with me, epic conspiracy theories 👀
obtuse gale
higher contrast, makes my eyes happy :D
ocean quartz
Top secret package name
half harness
lol
obtuse gale
com.github.dkim1235412.tornadofxdiscorddkim1231utils
ocean quartz
"Fixing" 🤡
half harness
https://i.imgur.com/sVz6EME.png
is this too big of a commit
ocean quartz
Nahhh, do more before committing like 1000 or so more
half harness
more deletions than insertions
half harness
Nahhh, do more before committing like 1000 or so more
lol
ocean quartz
5 Commits
ocean quartz
GitKraken
half harness
oh
ive heard u talking about it sometimes
uh
whys half my files red
O_o
welp ig more batch of code to commit
lol 1 change splitted up into 2 commits because git weird
obtuse gale
cli 
ocean quartz
why no use builtin ide git 😌
Because GitKraken is better
obtuse gale
why no use builtin ide git 😌
That’s the wave
obtuse gale
oh my god
i just found something horrific wtf
why is this a thing
you can have multiple static (or not) initialization blocks
why
ocean quartz
Omg really? Wtf
gusty glen
***__why__***
u can also have multiple in kt
steel heart
***__why__***
Yeah same goes for normal init blocks iirc
cinder flare
***__why__***
wait sorry what are initialization blocks
obtuse gale
wait sorry what are initialization blocks
class AssClass {
static final String STATIC_FIELD;
final String nonStaticField;
static {
// static init block
STATIC_FIELD = "";
}
{
// non-static init block
// kinda like a no-args constructor, I suppose this is to help follow the 'DRY' principle
nonStaticField = "";
}
}
Nah
cinder flare
so what's the difference between that and just doing static final String STATIC_FIELD = ""; in one line
i've literally never seen those used before
obtuse gale
for real?
cinder flare
yea?
steel heart
Might be initialization order
obtuse gale
well for instance hm you have a static final Method field
to get a method you need to call Class#getDeclaredMethod which may throw an exception
frail glade
Don't listen to anyone that tells you static abuse is real. It doesn't exist.
obtuse gale
you would use the static init block to try catch
cinder flare
how often do you find yourself storing a Method in a variable tho
obtuse gale
I mean whenever I use reflection?
ocean quartz
Static abuse is a social construct
steel heart
Nms 🥲
cinder flare
okay guess I'm just not on the mirror side of java yet
frail glade
I think we do that for player locale and ping in the Player expansion.
obtuse gale
actually I can't think of any project that does not use static init blocks 
non-static ones are pretty rare imo
potent nest
non-static ones are pretty rare imo
Yes, the only real world examples I know are mixed with anonymous classes, then it looks like
new ArrayList<String>(){{
add("Foo");
add("Bar");
}};
How would it break GC?
prisma wave
How would it break GC?
something about it being an anonymous class. let me try and find the post I saw
This was it
Because it compiles to an anonymous subclass, there's a reasonably high chance it will hold a reference to some field in the parent class, which means it then can't be GC'd
potent nest
yeah, that's typical issues with anonymous classes
potent nest
I didn't find anything about speed
but anonymous classes are always fun to deal with
prisma wave
That was on a different answer
As can be seen, the double brace initialization has a noticeable execution time of around 190 ms.
Meanwhile, the ArrayList initialization execution time came out to be 0 ms. Of course, the timer resolution should be taken into account, but it is likely to be under 15 ms.
potent nest
Uh that doesn't sound reliable tbh
prisma wave
Probably not
I reckon there would be a pretty significant difference if you could be bothered to run a proper benchmark though
potent nest
time to run some benchmarks I guess
quiet depot
double brace initialization will get you instantly denied from developer role here
very evil
use a map/list builder
said map originally because normally I see people using double brace for maps
quiet depot
actually I can't think of any project that does not use static init blocks <:tho...
I use both every now and then
prisma wave
time to run some benchmarks I guess
I think most of the overhead comes from classloading, so after the first invocation it might not be as bad
potent nest
I guess so too
prisma wave
but still evil nonetheless
potent nest
yeah
sturdy swan
This chat kinda ded
lunar cypress
this is literally the most active chat on the server
pallid gale
¯_(ツ)_/¯
boreal needle
let's find out :D
also could you please invite me to the hypixel guild when its less dead
pallid gale
can do
boreal needle
thanks
pallid gale
remind me when im online and so is hypickle
boreal needle
yep will do
jovial warren
onyx loom
lmao
prisma wave
lmao
lunar cypress
copying code WeirdChamp
prisma wave
Should've used mit smh
jovial warren
Should've used mit smh
that would've been worse
prisma wave
How so?
jovial warren
because the file is dual licensed under MIT and GPL v3
so I wouldn't be able to use it anyway
prisma wave
Embarrassing GPL moment
jovial warren
you would get these issues with MIT...
MIT still requires that the notice be preserved
prisma wave
Yeah but at least you'd be using a good license
prisma wave
just yes*
jovial warren
I can pick whatever license I want, and I think GPL is more suited for this project, so this is licensed under GPL
there is no "better" or "worse" license, it is a matter of what license most suits your project, that's why there are different licenses with different terms in the first place
boreal needle
is the plugin api also gpl
jovial warren
no
I opted for Velocity's licensing, where the API is under MIT and the backend is under GPL
prisma wave
Yeah but MIT is better
jovial warren
the API being under MIT means you can use it freely at will, but the backend imposes restrictions
jovial warren
is the api stable yet?
not yet, hopefully might be soon
prisma wave
Thank god I can make closed source forks of the api without an implementation 😌
jovial warren
that's why the API is under MIT, because idgaf if people do exactly that
however, the backend, which is what I have spent hours and hours of my own time and effort making, is what I want to protect
prisma wave
that's why the API is under MIT, because idgaf if people do exactly that
There is absolutely no reason to do that ever though
prisma wave
How could you even modify the API without modifying the backend in some way (apart from a totally separate implementation)
jovial warren
I want you to be able to use the API without having to worry about adhering to GPL
prisma wave
So if a plugin uses "nms" it therefore has to be GPL
jovial warren
How could you even modify the API without modifying the backend in some way (apa...
I don't get what your point is
jovial warren
So if a plugin uses "nms" it therefore has to be GPL
if a plugin depends on the backend then it has to be GPL, yes
boreal needle
what about if it uses reflection and doesnt actually build against the backend
jovial warren
then it can get away with being MIT
or whatever license
but that's not the point
boreal needle
brb going to write a bukkit wrapper that only uses reflection
jovial warren
the whole point of making the backend GPL is to restrict copying, not usage
the restriction of usage is just what comes with GPL
jovial warren
but that shouldn't be an issue anyway, since I will at least try to provide as much as I can in the API so you won't even need the backend
jovial warren
same discussion
because BM still wants to try and convince me that I'm somehow objectively wrong in my licensing choices, which is just not a fact
jovial warren
in your opinion
GPL has its uses
in mine and most of the open source community's opinion
prisma wave
GPL is for the stallman worshipping open source nazis
lunar cypress
I think we should all switch to the cbt licence
prisma wave
That seems pretty good actually
prisma wave
😌
onyx loom
no license at all best license
prisma wave
no license implies full copyright afaik
boreal needle
varies depending on country iirc
lunar cypress
There is no "default open source" in any country
prisma wave
i think that's github's policy anyway
lunar cypress
If you provide no lincence no serious person is going to use your project
Because you could just sue them
prisma wave
😌
jovial warren
https://dbad-license.org/
that is an actually amazing license
boreal needle
imo the cdl is better
old wyvern
Ah
boreal needle
as long as its all legally sound then you can enforce it
lunar cypress
I'm not sure whether this one is completely legally sound
I would rather pick a sound license with some experts behind it instead of just sound funny
prisma wave
Jetbrains projector is cracked
lunar cypress
Is it
old wyvern
Is jdk16 supposed to block reflection even on public fields/methods?
quiet depot
no
old wyvern
I thought the module limitations only affected private/protect..ect..
quiet depot
don't think so
quiet depot
oh
old wyvern
which is public
quiet depot
yeah sorry
misunderstanding
it definitely blocks that
what do you need addURL for
old wyvern
quiet depot
oh god
old wyvern
To append to the classpath
old wyvern
To add a dependency to the same classloader
quiet depot
for slimjar?
old wyvern
Yes
prisma wave
Is it
Seems to work perfectly almost out of the box
Had to change a few of the run scripts
But it's so nice being able to run IJ on my 3GB laptop
quiet depot
load the depending project in your own class loader implementation, you should then be able to call the addURL method in URLClassLoader
old wyvern
Already have that option
quiet depot
what purpose would an alternative serve
old wyvern
Both are provided for users who want to use it
quiet depot
I think the only way is to get the user to pass the jvm arg to disable security
old wyvern
Already have a way with bytebuddy, but it seems to have issues on specific hosts when they rename their jdk installation
lunar cypress
Seems to work perfectly almost out of the box
That is great news, I didn't try it last time I needed it because I was afraid that it was still too unstable and connected with too much setup
quiet depot
on another note po3 is now setup with skyblock on hc dedi
old wyvern
Will you be adding others to it?
old wyvern
Can I join?
old wyvern
oh, you said it was whitelisted
quiet depot
whats ur username
old wyvern
Vshnv
quiet depot
i will add you
old wyvern
Alrighty
quiet depot
old wyvern
btw piggy, any chance of this (#development message)
quiet depot
instructionsin pinned
old wyvern
Alrighty
quiet depot
make an issue
old wyvern
Alrighty
boreal needle
whats po3
cinder flare
Project ozone 3, the server modpack
boreal needle
oh theres a server?
quiet depot
yes
boreal needle
can i join?
quiet depot
yes
boreal needle
:D
quiet depot
half harness
is it 1.8 /s
quiet depot
it's modded
old wyvern
ok yea, UrlClasspath, doesnt seem to work even if I use it directly without reflection targeting 16
Time to try more unsafe hacks
quiet depot
that actually explains a lot
I did a bit of experimentation with the urlclassloader internals, including urlclasspath, attempting to remove items from the classpath at runtime
even when there were no traces of a class in the urlclassloader (or any of it's sub elements), for some reason the class persisted in memory
I just assumed something native was holding onto it
jovial warren
you're running a PO3 server? nice
old wyvern
ah
jovial warren
never actually played PO3, heard it's pretty involved
cinder flare
in mine and most of the open source community's opinion
I'd actually be very interested in seeing a usage chart of GPL vs MIT
Cause I've only ever seen GPL cause problems
old wyvern
Other classes could be holding instances of the class
cinder flare
That's the whole reason LLVM exists lmao
quiet depot
wat
old wyvern
Any of the classes loaded from that classloader could still have references in some other class
cinder flare
Ya originally LLVM was gonna be part of GCC but then they turned it down cause they wanted a broader license so that corporations and stuff could use it, and now that's why LLVM has become so good and used
frail glade
The stuff changed is actually huge.
They moved skull texture setting off the main thread.
Which is like... pretty big.
obtuse gale
async Minecraft soon™️
distant sun
It took only 9 years, thats good
prisma wave
That is great news, I didn't try it last time I needed it because I was afraid t...
Yeah it's not perfect (a bit unresponsive occasionally and you have to restart the docker container when restarting for plugins) but very usable
half harness
They moved skull texture setting off the main thread.
😮 fixing server crash exploit
cinder flare
Yeah it's not perfect (a bit unresponsive occasionally and you have to restart t...
Is this like self hosting a Jetbrains ide?
obtuse gale
They moved skull texture setting off the main thread.
Wait a second doesn't spigot do that? Hasn't it been doing it for years? I swear there's a patch for that
prisma wave
Is this like self hosting a Jetbrains ide?
Yeah pretty much
cinder flare
Aw that's cool
half harness
uhh so for my little game, I have it so that you can navigate your circle around the screen, and the enemy circle (a bot) has to try catching you.
However, I want to make it multiplayer... but a couple factors like window sizes make it really difficult.
Any suggestions?
Already tried making it multiplayer but then gave up and removed it :/
quiet depot
try remove stuff
old wyvern
One sec
I have a feeling something is going to crash xD
Hmm, removing the URL itself doesnt seem to change it, lemme try clearing the remaining two fields as well
obtuse gale
What the hell are you trying to hack lol
old wyvern
Originally wanted to append urls to a classloader, now trying to clear all urls from the classloader 🌞
obtuse gale
Lol
old wyvern
try remove stuff
Nope, even after clearing all those fields, no change
cleared all 4 List/Map ones
Only 2 left are for the closed flag and some other thing for the loader
jovial warren
https://github.com/KryptonMC/Krypton/issues/41 this is gonna be really hard
obtuse gale
Hm?
jovial warren
there's quite a bit of proprietary derived code in Krypton, some of which I don't even know where to start with replacing
look at that table
jovial warren
I actually don't know what to do
most of that is copied because I either couldn't think of a better idea or couldn't think of my own solution
prisma wave
Uses GPL license to stop people from stealing code
18th June "velocity" incident
:smiling_face_with_tear:
jovial warren
oh btw, you know the code that astei pointed out that's copied from Mojang? guess who wrote that code BM
prisma wave
Which one
jovial warren
the reading of strings
prisma wave
There was a lot afaik
Pretty sure I copied that from wiki.vg
It's like 2 lines anyway
jovial warren
more like about 10 or 12 lines
prisma wave
Oh nvm
well
I am no longer a contributor so I cannot take any responsibility for this
In fact there's no proof that commit was even done by me, as it's not signed!
jovial warren
yes you are lol
prisma wave
Krypton SCUM trying to FRAME and DISCREDIT me
prisma wave
you're the one trying to discredit yourself here, genius
I did not make that commit
No proof
jovial warren
yes you did
it's clearly on the Git log
I did not come up the thames on a bike mate
cinder flare
BM hurry, git-replace-branch your way out of there
jovial warren
he can't push to the repo lol
cinder flare
not yet 😉
prisma wave
it's clearly on the Git log
Someone impersonated me
It wasn't me
You can't prove it was
jovial warren
lol
cinder flare
@jovial warren what is the difference between these two titles I feel like I'm going crazy https://i.imgur.com/ludVDsj.png
jovial warren
extra r in occurrences
cinder flare
oh my god I literally went letter by letter and I didn't see that
jovial warren
lol
half harness
lol
timber oak
Any way to actually use credential-cache?
winter iron
One file is the way to go
Saves storage
No need for extra unwanted file headers
Taking up a few bytes
obtuse gale
is there a way i can block my server's ports so i still have a bungeecord server right but, you can only join with proxy
? someone bypassed whitetlistx with a python script
cinder flare
Taking up a few bytes
yea just put all your classes in one file
wait wait, don't even use classes! then you don't have to worry about silly stuff like dependency injection and static getters
everything is just there!
prisma wave
😌
obtuse gale
is there a way i can block my server's ports so i still have a bungeecord server...
^^^ pls someone help with this it keeps happening
cinder flare
prisma wave
This ain't a support channel
obtuse gale
oh
thick patrol
Anyone know how this "Maintenance" in red for the player count is done? Has to do with this: https://wiki.vg/Server_List_Ping#Response
But it doesnt look like they player count can accept a string...
https://imgur.com/a/SOLMYwj
cinder flare
Could be a legacy message
Looks like 1.6 might allow you to send the server version as text instead of numbers
ocean quartz
You can also check the source code of the plugin that does that https://github.com/KennyTV/Maintenance
thick patrol
oh sick, thanks
ocean quartz
Mr television
obtuse gale
man I love FOSS
Have you heard of LOSS?
cinder flare
bet his domain is kenny.tv 
cinder flare
Have you heard of LOSS?
|| |_```😌 😔
eternal compass
Looks like 1.6 might allow you to send the server version as text instead of num...
star its an invalid protocol version
eternal compass
and then the version is set to whatever
cinder flare
The server should respond with a Response packet. Note that Notchian servers will for unknown reasons wait to receive the following Ping packet for 30 seconds before timing out and sending Response. wait is this why it takes so long for servers to show their MOTD
distant sun
why does the syntax highlight sucks on pycharm https://i.imgur.com/JgkLeVt.png you can barely see the f, or maybe I'm too used to sublime https://i.imgur.com/ap1Dfrv.png
distant sun
f means format
distant sun
die
ocean quartz
With pleasure
distant sun
glad to hear
cinder flare
or use Matt's material theme colors
they looked pretty good to me when I was using pycharm
ocean quartz
Ofc it does 😌
cinder flare
though make sure to change the font size 😉
I have my own version of it in my dotfiles repo lmao
ocean quartz
Or do what I do and toggle this setting
cinder flare
ew no
it needs to be consistent
By default, most Linux distros come preinstalled with the easy to use iptables. easy to use 
distant sun
it is probably just a typo
cinder flare
cause then I'll lose my perfect number and it'll trigger me
same with like chair height or blanket orientation lmao
static zealot
I actually used to be exactly the same with IJ. I wanted that perfect number (which I Think was 12 or 13) but then I realised there's times I just want to see it better
cinder flare
hmm I see
I usually don't have a hard time with stuff, and it being too big makes me claustrophobic and makes it harder for me to parse the language
ocean quartz
cause then I'll lose my perfect number and it'll trigger me
You learn to find the perfect number again, normally I always keep it the same but some i want to zoom in more others a bit less, but always get back to the perfect size again after being done
humble silo
Anyone know what this is? https://github.com/ktorio/ktor/blob/main/ktor-client/ktor-client-jetty/api/ktor-client-jetty.api
cinder flare
it's ktor
humble silo
Lol... the file
cinder flare
oh didn't realize that was a specific link lmao
humble silo
Np
cinder flare
that looks like the jetty api
humble silo
Well its in bytecode, and whats a .api file type? Is that a kotlin thing?
cinder flare
I have no clue, probably just a custom file they parse as KT
prisma wave
yeah that's definitely a kotlin thing
not entirely sure what it's for
but it probably helps the compiler or something
humble silo
Any reason why they would do that then?
Huh
I have found anything about it googling unfortunately
ocean quartz
Probably some binary compatibility thing for multi platform
humble silo
It doesn't have anything special in it though besides not being abstract or a interface and not implementing its methods
This is weird, it definitely isn't Java bytecode
ocean quartz
Yeah i'm assuming it's something for compatibility with Native, IOS, etc
ocean quartz
This is weird, it definitely isn't Java bytecode
It's not JVM
humble silo
What do androids run when you are writing a app in kotlin then?
ocean quartz
Iirc android has its own vm
But Kotlin also "compiles to" swift, and native
cinder flare
mmm swift
humble silo
Android runs Java then?
cinder flare
yes there was a whole lawsuit about it
cinder flare
friendship with objective-c ended, now swift is my best friend
humble silo
I thought it only compiled to js and Java, weird
cinder flare
I thought it only compiled to js and Java, weird
you've gone this whole time without hearing about Kotlin Native?
every update thing I read is about it
humble silo
Lol no I have just didn't really know anything about it
ocean quartz
Kotlin multiplatform has all sorts of things, but made mainly so you can run on PC, android, and ios without changing anything
humble silo
Pc like Mac and windows? Dang
ocean quartz
Yeah
humble silo
Oh wow, I am totally doing that instead of using cpp and opengl lol
cinder flare
man I want to make a compiler
ocean quartz
Ktor is great 😌
humble silo
Wow way too much work
cinder flare
Oh wow, I am totally doing that instead of using cpp and opengl lol
CPP much faster and easier to make specific, but ktor is nice
humble silo
Eh, I rather take the multiplatform one lol
Also I really don't know cpp at all
And it seems like a pain to learn
cinder flare
true it is
it unlocks great power though tbh
i guess I'm biased since I want to be a systems developer lol
humble silo
As a skill in general?
humble silo
i guess I'm biased since I want to be a systems developer lol
Oh God, I'm pretty sure I would hate that
cinder flare
As a skill in general?
yeah the lower level languages you learn the more knowledgeable you are about how everything works
humble silo
Sure I guess so, but besides all the memory stuff what else is there?
cinder flare
I mean everything
higher-level languages use pointers they just don't let you do arithmetic on them
learning how compilers work, how the JVM works, how memory management works
all cool stuff to know
ocean quartz
i guess I'm biased since I want to be a systems developer lol
Who hurt you? 😫
cinder flare
my brain 🙂
ocean quartz
Sounds horrible xD
humble silo
learning how compilers work, how the JVM works, how memory management works
I did a bit of c and the memory stuff didn't seem to bad though I guess I didn't get into advanced optimizations
ocean quartz
Though very challenging
humble silo
I'm pretty sure I would kill someone after a week, you do you though.... lol
cinder flare
I also am just super interested in how stuff works though
like I wanna make my own language and compiler, that's some crazy shit
humble silo
Lol well I would be happy to try it out if you did make one
ocean quartz
I wanna do game dev, i wish i could do it in Kotlin, but C# is good enough
cinder flare
I don't think I have enough knowledge yet, I'm waiting until I take like Fundamentals of Computation Theory and similar at uni
humble silo
On other things its the last day of school! I kinda thought this year wasn't gonna end lol
cinder flare
But I am hoping to contribute to Elara 🙂
ocean quartz
Though Unreal 5 is looking very tempting
cinder flare
On other things its the last day of school! I kinda thought this year wasn't gon...
dude my school ended May 1st lmao
humble silo
Dang, when does it start up again?
cinder flare
Early september
humble silo
Wow so what have you been doing with yourself?
cinder flare
well tbh not much, but I did just get a job programming at my uni for the next 3 years
humble silo
Nice! Are you excited for it or was it just the only thing you could get?
onyx loom
like I wanna make my own language and compiler, that's some crazy shit
elara 🙂
cinder flare
everything that my uni has a website for, i work on it
static zealot
Though Unreal 5 is looking very tempting
yeah unreal 5 looks great
cinder flare
elara 🙂
yes if you look a few lines later I did say I would like to contribute to Elara 🙂
humble silo
I work on the school's entire systems
Thats fun? Like webservers or what?
cinder flare
oh no I agree
humble silo
Never heard of banner
cinder flare
but it's whatever, graduating with 3 years of real on-the-job development experience is very worth working with python
Banner is like the classic business suite of applications for all the schools in my state
so it does like financial stuff, student management, payroll, hr, and something else
humble silo
Oh wow, so what would you be working on if you don't mind me asking?
cinder flare
i'm honestly not sure currently, I just started like yesterday basically
but I think primarily the main portal for our university
humble silo
Oh alright, well it sounds interesting to say the least! Lol
God typing on mobile is impossible
cinder flare
oh yeah I am so hyped for my future career prospects after this
most people get like 1, maybe 2 summer internships
3 years for me
humble silo
Totally crazy! So you just finished your first year then?
cinder flare
Yea it was pretty boring ngl
but I think I got most of the easy prerequisites out of the way, so the next two semesters will be very good I feel
humble silo
It was the eays classes that were boring then? Like intro to comp sci or something?
Easy*
cinder flare
yeah CS 1400 and 1410, Intro to Java and Object-Oriented Programming lol
even DS&A was too easy imo
humble silo
Intro to Java was a prerequisite???? For what?
humble silo
Oh wow that socks lol
cinder flare
python for the data science shit
humble silo
Sucks*
cinder flare
I don't think it's that bad
humble silo
Python or data science?
cinder flare
uh neither
humble silo
Ok gtg lol
humble silo
Oh lol, alright see ya
old wyvern
Android runs Java then?
Android isnt exactly a jvm afaik, you can just compile jvm bytecode to android runtime bytecode. The lawsuit was because it shades in java sdk packages sometimes
the jvm is stack based, android runtime works at register level
old wyvern
lol
cinder flare
out of 1.2M people who took this, I knew java better than 95% of them
cinder flare
dude it was so weird
half of the questions were essentially how does array indexing work and the other half were like complicated string combinations and shit
old wyvern
Have you tried the pluralsight one?
ocean quartz
https://i.imgur.com/lpU5rf3.png
Where is this?
cinder flare
I have not, though I do get free pluralsight from my job
cinder flare
Where is this?
LinkedIn skill assessment lmao
old wyvern
You dont need any of the packages to take the tests
ocean quartz
Oh lmao
cinder flare
oh dang really
old wyvern
the skill tests are open to anyone
2 attempts every month or something
@ocean quartz Does mf-gui use JavaPlugin#getProvidingPlugin?
old wyvern
😬
ocean quartz
Why? ;o
cinder flare
old wyvern
It should be fine from the next release I guess tbh
ocean quartz
Why tf is he even slimjaring mf-gui, it's 60kb lol
cinder flare
y'all are over here being super smart and talking about classloaders and shit
meanwhile I barely score 70% on my linux test on linkedin 🥲
old wyvern
lol
ocean quartz
I'll reply in the issue 😩
steel heart
It breaks when loaded onto a diff classloader
😬
got a feeling it will gonna break many libs then
old wyvern
Probably not
steel heart
I mean I have seen tons of libs depending on JavaPlugin::getProvidingPlugin
static zealot
https://i.imgur.com/Hqu5R4d.png
what's this?
cinder flare
LinkedIn skill assessments
I guess to prove to employers that you know what you're doing?
I did the Java, Linux, and Git ones lol
cinder flare
well there's your first problem
static zealot
tho I said a few months ago I'd make one
cinder flare
I think you can store vector images as .csvs
cinder flare
yea that's the excel format
static zealot
I Don't remember why it even is a .csv
but it is
and Excel used to ask me to convert but I refuesd xD
refused*
static zealot
yeah its fucking broken. welp fuck. time to wait another 5 months until someone will remind me to make an account
obtuse gale
Time zones suck and we should all use UTC
static zealot
oh yeah
instead of asking what time it is
you ask how much sun is outside
or where's the sun on the sky at this time for you? xD
obtuse gale
but if you say "I'm free from hh:mm" it will be the same everywhere and I don't have to calculate time zones and shit (DST jfc) to know what time is it here
winged oyster
Daylight savings 🤢
obtuse gale
The mere fact that daylight savings time exists proves how time zones are bad at being time zones
Why the fuck
cinder flare
but if you say "I'm free from hh:mm" it will be the same everywhere and I don't ...
no cause then it'll be like 4am in the afternoon or something weird
okay daylight savings time is fucked up I'll agree
but timezones are good
obtuse gale
no cause then it'll be like 4am in the afternoon or something weird
No? It will be "4" everywhere
Entirely unrelated to the sun positioning
winged oyster
China has a system in place where the whole country operates on the same timezone, and it works out well for them (i think)
obtuse gale
Basically unlinking the two
cinder flare
I konw
static zealot
but then how tf am I suppose to know if someone's sleeping or not rn?
cinder flare
but the afternoon is still a thing
I'm saying it won't be early morning at 4 am
which would be weird and not right
obtuse gale
but then how tf am I suppose to know if someone's sleeping or not rn?
If I say "I sleep from 5 to 12" it will be from 5 to 12 everywhere in the world
static zealot
 
obtuse gale
So you just check "oh hey it's 7, they be sleeping"
cinder flare
If I say "I sleep from 5 to 12" it will be from 5 to 12 everywhere in the world
but the point is that everyone will be sleeping at differnt times
obtuse gale
Anywhere you are
obtuse gale
but the point is that everyone will be sleeping at differnt times
And?
We already do that
cinder flare
so you won't inherently know
static zealot
emilyy I wouldn't want to live in a world ruled by you
cinder flare
yes but I know that people generally sleep at night time in their respective timezones
so if I know blitz' timezone, I know generally when he'll be asleep
obtuse gale
Or he can state "I sleep from this to that hour" and it's an absolute value
Regardless of where you are and if the sun's position in the sky you know he sleeps from "this" to "that"
cinder flare
but who cares
static zealot
nah man.
static zealot
yes I Do sleep during the day sometimes when I break my sleeping habit but I Wouldn't want to sleep during the day and work during the night
forever
so nah
no thanks
obtuse gale
yes I Do sleep during the day sometimes when I break my sleeping habit but I Wou...
I mean time zones don't "fix" or let anyone assume that either
cinder flare
well for normal people they do
and they provide a good framework for the day
it's only if I'm on here talking to people from across the world that I even care about other times
obtuse gale
How does the time zone let you assume if they sleep during the day or not?
cinder flare
but I would be very annoyed if my time shifted 7 hours
cinder flare
How does the time zone let you assume if they sleep during the day or not?
it doesn't
cinder flare
I'm saying for normal people who sleep during the night, it lets you predict when they're sleeping
which your weird system doesn't let you do without someone explicitly telling you their universal sleeping time
also my last few messages are the most important points
obtuse gale
but I would be very annoyed if my time shifted 7 hours
It wouldn't even be a problem if it was like that from the very beginning
cinder flare
Well it's not
obtuse gale
But you know cavemen didn't know any better
cinder flare
And I still think it would be
it's human instinct to be awake during the day
and that's why a bunch of people independently invented their scale of time to conform to that
static zealot
emilyy at this point I can't even tell if you're trolling or not
cinder flare
then timezones were standardized to ensure consistency