dev-general

[static zealot]

essential has done it, I stole it xD

[obtuse gale]

There's this "getTotalExperience" method but I'm not entirely sure what it returns

[static zealot]

yeah that's not it. It returns the total exp you had since your last death

that includes used exp as well

[steel heart]

imagine

if u d get like a list of arbitrary statistics after you die

[static zealot]

[half harness]

[steel heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/592889611387273220.gif?v=1https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/592889611387273220.gif?v=1

[pale shell]

Congratulations @prisma wave

[static zealot]

oh?

what did alex win

[old wyvern]

Ayy out of training

gg bm

[static zealot]

oh

all of them got it

[pale shell]

Oh

[static zealot]

[old wyvern]

Whose carl?

[static zealot]

odin

[old wyvern]

Oh

[static zealot]

click on his profile

[old wyvern]

Oh xD

[pale shell]

A person who won't be around much longer

[static zealot]

o?

you leaving minecraft

?

[old wyvern]

He hates kali or something

[pale shell]

Probs gonna just get a ton of powder and sort myself out

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-shookt-shocked-gif-5580082

[pale shell]

I'll finally meet my friends in person 🤞

[forest pecan]

how much coke do you need to snort yourself out

[pale shell]

I got enough

[forest pecan]

lol

[pale shell]

I'm being for real

Idk why I'm still here tho

They denied me because they hate me and won't admit it.

[static zealot]

pretty sure that's not true

[pale shell]

I think else

[obtuse gale]

i mean if you want to think people hate you sure that's on you but i'm certain that is simply not true

[pale shell]

I think it because I know it's the truth. I can list a bunch of people with a grudge against me.

[half harness]

i dont have a grudge against you 🥰

[forest pecan]

then they are bad freinds

[pale shell]

I do wonder if it's my mental state putting me into this position

In my head, everyone here hates me with a passion but doesn't wanna say it

[pale shell]

They denied me on my birthday and didn't even give me a birthday spin I don't think

[static zealot]

none of us got bday spins tho

and that is not a requirement (for becoming support). you should understand that.

[pale shell]

?

[static zealot]

Being your bday is not a requirement

[pale shell]

Ik

[static zealot]

a requirement is to be active

and support people

in the support channels

[woven plaza]

does anyone know kotlin command framework for spigot?

[pale shell]

I am active tho??

[pale shell]

Yes, spigotapi.

[static zealot]

well its not kotlin but its good:

[woven plaza]

?

[static zealot]

?mf

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

Looking for useful libraries/frameworks?
Here are some which have been deemed useful by the community and are used daily.
-> Menus: https://mf.mattstudios.me/mf-gui/gui
-> Commands: https://mf.mattstudios.me/mf/mf-1/getting-started
-> Messages: https://mf.mattstudios.me/message/mf-msg
-> Config: COMING SOON™️

Requested by: BlitzOffline • mf

[static zealot]

second link ^

best framework

/ library

[woven plaza]

seems like aikar one

[pale shell]

Ngl, I don't think i would've coped with the support role

[forest pecan]

https://github.com/Mojang/brigadier

https://github.com/Incendo/cloud

are they not compatible

with kotlin

[woven plaza]

I do not need anything large

like cloud

[forest pecan]

you can try out brigad then

its pretty small

[pale shell]

@half harness hows your coding getting on

[woven plaza]

someone should create kotlin one

[half harness]

sorta gave up on bedwars for now

[pale shell]

Why

[forest pecan]

help me code

dkim

Lol

[half harness]

uh

java 🤢

[pale shell]

Btw did I tell you guys what I've been coding

[half harness]

nop

what have u been coding?

[forest pecan]

dkim 🤢

IM JOKING

[pale shell]

It's pretty cool but it's an ai to help find and resolve errors quicker

[forest pecan]

errors for what

[pale shell]

Pulse 🤮

[forest pecan]

Carl 🤢

[pale shell]

Like spigot errors

[forest pecan]

o

[pale shell]

It tells you how to resolve it

2 seconds

I might change the bot name sometime, but it works so

[forest pecan]

Is this ai, or is this like just checking the error for some keyword

lmao

[pale shell]

Checking the error

[half harness]

i doubt its ai

[forest pecan]

Yea

[pale shell]

It does the job so

[forest pecan]

it isnt ai then

[pale shell]

[half harness]

[forest pecan]

[pale shell]

I say it's ai to sound cool else you guys wouldn't care

[half harness]

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-bye-ciao-gif-5156041

[pale shell]

What's what I did to my step sis

[half harness]

🤔

[forest pecan]

🍑

[pale shell]

I in pain atm >:(

Can we post pics

[forest pecan]

of what

[pale shell]

Yes

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-awkward-smile-gif-5307535

[pale shell]

Arm reveal

[static zealot]

pretty cool. Barry has this too. Or at least had bcz now its broken xD

[forest pecan]

lol

[static zealot]

iirc cube said something about piggy breaking it

[pale shell]

I tried putting a pen through my arm

[static zealot]

???

why?

[pale shell]

Because I didnt feel pain there

I legit don't feel pain there so I was checking if it came back lol

[static zealot]

what the hell

[pale shell]

It didn't

[woven plaza]

????????????????????????

wtf

[static zealot]

Well I mean

I did surgery on my leg the other day

[pale shell]

I mean it went proper in.

[steel heart]

@lofty meadow @obtuse gale @forest pecan

so many pulses

[static zealot]

Like I Legit cut my finger to get something out from it xD

[static zealot]

wait until you check for Matt

[steel heart]

holy fuck

wth

[pale shell]

?

[static zealot]

oh wait?

am I going crazy?

now I Only see 1 matt

[steel heart]

Matt

not matt

heh

[static zealot]

nvm

[pale shell]

You guys should've joined me

[forest pecan]

guys

i chopped my finger

off

[static zealot]

nice

[forest pecan]

it didnt hurt

[pale shell]

ok

[steel heart]

eat it

[forest pecan]

Mmmmm

[ocean quartz]

I need to do the same thing as the Josh Swain fight

[static zealot]

did I tell you guys about the time when my cousin did surgery on my brother with a chainsaw?

[pale shell]

I might try and break all the #rules

[steel heart]

wow blitz

[static zealot]

well it was an accident

but it was surgery xD

[steel heart]

crazy usinimo

[pale shell]

Matt can you ban

[static zealot]

nope

we're not moderators

[steel heart]

=ban

[static zealot]

according to FunnyCube

[steel heart]

=bamboozle

=kick

=mute

[pale shell]

When should I do it then

[steel heart]

=tempban

=kill

=murder

=slaughter

uh

doesnt work

[static zealot]

stop pleaseee

[ocean quartz]

Well even if we can't ban doesn't mean you won't be banned

[forest pecan]

=shit

[steel heart]

did they remove it?

[static zealot]

=clip

remove what?

[pale shell]

Odd question, but who here has actually seen my face

[steel heart]

the kill thing

[static zealot]

piggy I think

[pale shell]

Has he?

[steel heart]

I have

[pale shell]

Bm has

[steel heart]

u like like pulse beat by darker skin tone

[pale shell]

You haven't?

[static zealot]

I was in a call with you and piggy I think and I went to the bathroom while you leaked it ...

xD

[pale shell]

Oh

[forest pecan]

conclure follows my instagram

so he knows what i look like

Lol

[pale shell]

Dude he took a ss of it

[steel heart]

pulsebeat is basically drip

[pale shell]

I swear

I don't think I'll post another face reveal

[static zealot]

who did?

[pale shell]

I've seen Alex

I've seen clip

[steel heart]

you've seen me

I swear

[pale shell]

What did I just find LOL

[half harness]

ive seen no one ☹️

besides bm's feet

[pale shell]

Go on tiktok and put in #funnycube

[steel heart]

https://tenor.com/view/primalrights-gif-21503500

^dkim

[static zealot]

that u?

[ocean quartz]

[static zealot]

xD

[pale shell]

I just seen clips kid and wife by accident

[steel heart]

ooo

[pale shell]

[steel heart]

from a scale 1-10 how drip was clips

[static zealot]

11

[pale shell]

Over 9000

[static zealot]

damn

[steel heart]

😮

he got one lucky wife then

[pale shell]

I am scared to do face reveals

I'm not worthy of doing one

[static zealot]

you know what's funny? IF anyone really cared, they could find a lot of people's identity. Like I have my real identity somewhere linked with this discord account or my mc community/account (not directly), clip does, matt does. The fact is that I Don't care

[steel heart]

tbf same

hmm @compact perch

seems innocent

[pale shell]

I dont connect much tbh

[steel heart]

but I think not

[static zealot]

I mean Matt "leaked" his and his fiance's face in #showcase xD

[steel heart]

oh rly

[obtuse gale]

I believe only one person in this entire server has seen my face

[half harness]

who?

[ocean quartz]

Yup

[steel heart]

pulse?

[pale shell]

I've seen it

[obtuse gale]

Nope

[ocean quartz]

I mean if you search well enough it's really easy to find

[static zealot]

yeah he was showcasing a lib and tabbed out and was in a video call with her so it showed in the tabbed programs

[steel heart]

lucko?

[obtuse gale]

Nope

[steel heart]

11_

or what hes called

idk

[obtuse gale]

Non, no one in the LP team

[steel heart]

urself

?

[obtuse gale]

Well yes

[static zealot]

yes dkim. at least I think. never bothered to ask. don't really care

[forest pecan]

all of us

thats her eye

[steel heart]

🤡

[ocean quartz]

Dkim wasn't even here at the time lol
And only Blitz saw it

[forest pecan]

we all seen emilyy

her pfp

its her eye

[pale shell]

I wish I wasn't as dumb as I am.

[forest pecan]

its a trick quesiton

😉

[obtuse gale]

https://c.tenor.com/J5r2Dj2NtJEAAAAM/brovius.gif

[steel heart]

[forest pecan]

lucyy?

[obtuse gale]

Non

[steel heart]

loooooooooooooooooooooci

[pale shell]

I might go for a 15 mile ride on my escooter just to get mcdonald's

[forest pecan]

give us hints

[obtuse gale]

Nope

Imma go eat cya

[forest pecan]

@obtuse gale

GET

BACK

HERE

we ned to know this

right now

lol

[pale shell]

What you trying to work out

[steel heart]

@obtuse gale bad girl

now get back here

[pale shell]

[steel heart]

before I uh

make a typo pr

[forest pecan]

I sent conclure a picture of my hair yesterday

[steel heart]

for better jails

[forest pecan]

he said i was bald

[pale shell]

I feel like exposing bm because he can't defend himself.

[steel heart]

pulse is basiclly bald

[forest pecan]

Nop

[steel heart]

his hair looks like a hat thus not hair thus bald

[forest pecan]

🥲

[pale shell]

You guys know bm is a right

[steel heart]

ye

[pale shell]

You knew?

[hallow crane]

bm is is a furry?

[pale shell]

Yeah

[hallow crane]

what.

[pale shell]

He has a suit.

[hallow crane]

no

no

[pale shell]

Yep

[hallow crane]

no you;re lying

[pale shell]

Or is it 2?

[forest pecan]

Yako is a furry

[steel heart]

lol

[hallow crane]

lol

[pale shell]

I think he has 2

[forest pecan]

I am not a furry

I think

[steel heart]

furry is someone who cossplays basically

[pale shell]

Pulse is a furry?

[steel heart]

or what

[pale shell]

Oh no

[static zealot]

someone end my suffering please. Why the hell did I Want to work on DeluxeMenus so much?

[steel heart]

is it java?

[pale shell]

Just Google it @steel heart

[hallow crane]

someone should add me to the deluxechat repo

[static zealot]

yes. but that ain't the problem. I am the problem :)))

[steel heart]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom

oh ye

[static zealot]

wokring on a new feature

[hallow crane]

I am a professional at chat plugins

[steel heart]

blitz I can help

[pale shell]

[steel heart]

pls

I am pro coder just look at my discord bot

[static zealot]

man its just me not knowing what I'm doing.

[steel heart]

I will donate myself to yusa

[pale shell]

What's the biggest donation you can do to spigot

[static zealot]

pretty sure just 3 people have access to that. actually might be 5 but from what I Know just 3 actually work on it

[pale shell]

125 right?

[static zealot]

not even I have access

[old wyvern]

Bring me a knife 🙂 🔪

[steel heart]

how do I get access to deluxemenus repo or like contributor role?

[pale shell]

I might do a $125 donation to spigotmc

[static zealot]

alr

[half harness]

😮

[hallow crane]

you should convince them to add me. look at this amazing OOP and implementation model https://gitlab.com/space-series/spacechat-v2/-/tree/dev/src/main/java/dev/spaceseries/spacechat/sync

[forest pecan]

@old wyvern

[pale shell]

It's the least I can do.

[old wyvern]

Yes pulse?

[static zealot]

there is no role. I Just asked clip 100 times, he said ok 100 times and finally added me 1 year later

[forest pecan]

@old wyvern

[old wyvern]

@forest pecan

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ping-pong-funny-animals-cats-gif-8766860

[pale shell]

Pls nobody ping me

[steel heart]

interfaces?

[old wyvern]

Ok

[forest pecan]

hire me!

[pale shell]

I might hire someone soon

Big money 🥲

[forest pecan]

Conclure help me make interface

big money

[pale shell]

I pay bigger money

[steel heart]

uh lol arent u done with mml

?

[forest pecan]

wdym

[steel heart]

with the architecture

[forest pecan]

Yea lol but the relocation

🥲

[steel heart]

oh

ye

uh little late now but tmrw then

[old wyvern]

Whats wrong with relocation?

[hallow crane]

yes

[forest pecan]

i found out i prolly need to self relocate my own jar now

lmao

[steel heart]

yugi is pro

[old wyvern]

Use slimjar

[steel heart]

so ask him elsewise

[old wyvern]

Ez

[forest pecan]

help slimjar

help me yugi daddy

help me papa

[hallow crane]

slimjar is not good

[pale shell]

What would it cost for someone to help me code?

[hallow crane]

slimjar is great

[steel heart]

also pls give feedback if u want to lol https://github.com/Conclure/NamedNonamer/tree/master/src/main/java/me/conclure/nonamer/command

[hallow crane]

get prank'd

[ocean quartz]

Father

[pale shell]

I need to get this project done like ASAP so I gotta pay someone

[forest pecan]

Yes father

[hallow crane]

But in all honesty why don't you just use your own code pulse

it's better

than slimjar

[old wyvern]

What is the issue pulse?

[old wyvern]

It gets even better 😌 . feature/shrink branch

[hallow crane]

@old wyvern have you tested slimjar appending with java16 and verified that it doesn;t work?

[forest pecan]

because of this relocation issue

[ocean quartz]

It's alright, it'll never be as good as DeluxeAsyncJoinLeaveMessage though 😦

[old wyvern]

Verified that what doesnt work?

[forest pecan]

and gradle shadowJar is werid as fuck with the relocation

[hallow crane]

what relocation issue

[forest pecan]

idk how to explain it

[pale shell]

Can someone please help with something rq?

[old wyvern]

The isolated application method works perfectly on 16

[steel heart]

what if I relocate deluxeasyncjoinleavemessage into that 🤔

[old wyvern]

One of my friends already moved to using it

[ocean quartz]

Do it

[steel heart]

lol

[pale shell]

How would I work out how much something will cost to be completed?

[old wyvern]

Pulse what relocation issue are you having?

[hallow crane]

have you tested slimjar appending with java16 and verified that it doesn;t work? <<<

[forest pecan]

Basically, I use relocate right for shadowJar. But it only applies to the final jar, and not to the actual artifact itself. Because my thing is a library, when people include it, the code and stuff isnt relocated cause they aint compiling the lib. (this is without slimjar)

[hallow crane]

AH....

makes sense

[old wyvern]

Yes? Because addURL reflection doesnt work on 16 ofc

[hallow crane]

wait why don't you build the jar

[forest pecan]

i think slimjar can fix this? I mean the other solution is to relocate my own jar

[hallow crane]

and upload to a repo

[old wyvern]

Theres already a warning for that in the readme

[hallow crane]

that's how I distribute my api

[forest pecan]

hm

[hallow crane]

https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/16/docs/api/java.base/java/net/URLClassLoader.html#addURL(java.net.URL)

my personal repo is 100% built jars, just like the spigotmc repo

[old wyvern]

Its not the existance of that methid yakk

[hallow crane]

I am pretty sure it's the correct way to distribute binaries and not code

[old wyvern]

Java 16 enforces strong encapsulation

No more deep reflection on other modules

Including jdk modules

[hallow crane]

Okay but have you tested it and verified that it doesn't work or are you assuming

[ocean quartz]

Not really, the correct way to distribute libraries is to let the dependencies be transitive, not build them as a final jar

[old wyvern]

Tested

[hallow crane]

did you get like a message or something?

[forest pecan]

I havent tried isolatedclassloader before in java 16

[hallow crane]

that is, if you are not building them into the final jar as one package

[old wyvern]

It simply will throw an exception when you try to invoke addURL

[forest pecan]

Yea

[hallow crane]

what did it say

do you know

[forest pecan]

its just enforced encapsulation from the project jigsaw shit thingy oracle is developing

where they make it so you cant use reflection on certain packages

and urlclassloader happens to be

one of them

[old wyvern]

Illegal access exception

[hallow crane]

oh is that why spigot doesn't work in j16

because it appends plugins

[old wyvern]

Also speaking of which, got shrinking its dependencies down to work with relocations, so now its only around 80kb

[forest pecan]

btw, Spigot actually added a way to specify maven/gradle dependencies

[hallow crane]

what if you make your own classloader and use reflection on that

[forest pecan]

and they will be loaded before

[old wyvern]

You can expose addURL using your own child of URLClassLoader

[forest pecan]

in the plugin.yml

but its only for 1.16+

[hallow crane]

thats what I did @old wyvern

[forest pecan]

obv

[old wyvern]

Wont work unless you make addURL public

[old wyvern]

And?

[hallow crane]

and....

its protected

leave it protected

do reflection on child

[old wyvern]

Wont work, also youd still need to load all your classes from that classloader

[steel heart]

I think we all should use javascript instead

[hallow crane]

I think we've all missed the point

Write c++ to edit the jvm

[pale shell]

[forest pecan]

guys we missed the point. Java classloaders are a fuckmess

[hallow crane]

to make it illegal to make it illegal to perform illegal operations on illegal classes

[forest pecan]

i think we can all agree to that

[steel heart]

yo pulse

what r u gonna work on after mml

[forest pecan]

Uhh

nothing in mind right now lol

[steel heart]

so

like ik before it didnt turn out well

[forest pecan]

group project?

pog?

lol

[steel heart]

but u wanna make like a trivial plugin

ye

group collab

[forest pecan]

Yea Epic

[steel heart]

and ofc doesnt have to be perfect

but just u know

for fun

[static zealot]

what in the fucking world is going on?

[forest pecan]

Yea it would be epic

[static zealot]

I use Player.giveExpLevels(-5) and instead of decreasing 5 levels it sets the level of exp to 5... Also if I have like 5-6 levels already it does nothing unless I give more exp than that.

wtf is this bullshit?

same for giveExp

just with points instead of exp

[steel heart]

ok cool I have some ideas

[pale shell]

Pulse want money

[forest pecan]

For what

[static zealot]

this is fucking bullshit man.

[pale shell]

I mean, you got some options

Free money
You could help me making configuring some things
Or you could help code things

[static zealot]

that doesn't sound like Free money tho

xD

[hallow crane]

when a method is 'native'

how do I see that code

in whatever language its in

[static zealot]

this is bullshit. I need a break

[hallow crane]

where is it

[ocean quartz]

Oh god, just saw this one BM's discord
https://paste.bristermitten.me/cizidamula.hs

[old wyvern]

Oh lord

[pale shell]

Where

[hallow crane]

ayye I fouind it http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk7u/jdk7u60/hotspot/file/ba66650acf63/src/share/vm/prims/jvm.cpp#l286

[pale shell]

I wanna scream at them

[hallow crane]

@old wyvern all we have to do is make a few changes https://github.com/openjdk/jdk/blob/fe333431c8c0f089e4fd55bf10903e1fba7fc6c4/src/hotspot/share/interpreter/bytecode.cpp

and then we can compile the jvm and distribute with slimjar!!! 🙂

[old wyvern]

🧐

[hallow crane]

sometimes

I think

programming is like love

[gusty glen]

bump

[hallow crane]

I connected with it

then I wanted to fucking destroy it

and I still want to fucking destroy it because it's ruining my life

but I love it so much

[hallow crane]

bump

[steel heart]

Probably won’t share the pool not sure tho

[obtuse gale]

@jovial warren TIL the "low allocated memory" message is a vanilla thing too lmao

[gusty glen]

is it bad? I mean, to have a separate thread pool for each plugin?

[old wyvern]

It should share the ones in fjp and create extra as needed separately. And no, it should be fine

[gusty glen]

im looking for a free discord ticket bot, do you know any (or I gotta code one xd)?

[half harness]

aren't there a whole bunch

https://ticketsbot.net/
https://tickettool.xyz/
https://discordtickets.app/

[obtuse gale]

https://tenor.com/view/oxi-clean-but-wait-theres-more-home-shopping-gif-9592017

[humble silo]

Did they remove the compile configuration in gradle 7???????

Why?

[ocean quartz]

It was deprecated since gradle 5 i think

[obtuse gale]

i mean yeah we've been warned for ages lmao

[humble silo]

Idk why IJ didnt tell me it was deprecated then lol

[ocean quartz]

I don't think it was ever crossed out, at least not in groovy, not sure if it was in kts

[obtuse gale]

lmao

[steel heart]

Stockholm syndrome

[cinder flare]

python 🤡

[oblique heath]

anybody have good book recommendations for any programming or tech related stuff

[prisma wave]

Effective java is probably worth a read

[jovial warren]

Where do you think I got it from lol

[oblique heath]

i'll take a gander at it 😮

[jovial warren]

The startup sequence is mostly based on vanilla's lol

[prisma wave]

tbt trying to create hypixel 2 with $0 budget so self hosting on a pc with 2GB ram

Ahh that message

[jovial warren]

The thing that Krypton does differently with that message is that we warn the user that they are starting the server with 512 MB RAM, and tell them why they should start it with more RAM

Vanilla just tells you how to start it with more RAM, which isn't very informative

[boreal needle]

unless youre in uwu english when it starts guilt tripping you into giving it more

[jovial warren]

Lol

[quiet depot]

vouch for effective java

[steel heart]

You red it finally?

[jovial warren]

Lol

[half harness]

orange

[boreal needle]

a

[static zealot]

man when you reply to someone else's message to make sure that others won't think you replied to them and they still ask if you were talking with them xD

[boreal needle]

that's people for ya

[static zealot]

well now to go back to my issues I guess

[boreal needle]

i have lots of issues 🥲

[static zealot]

yeah. my issue is spigot in general

lmao

for some reason the api says giveExpLevels should remove levels if you give negative numbers. instead this is how it works:
If players have abs(of negative number) or higher, it does nothing, if they have less it will set the levels to abs(of negative number)

for some reason.

going to use setExpLevels I guess.

[static zealot]

So I've been having some issues with sublime for the past days on kde neon.

What I do is basically use Dolphin to remotely connect to my dedicated server, and I try to use sublime to edit a YAML file for example.
What happens tho when I save is:

• I get an error: Unable to save 'path' Error: Input/Output error
• I press OK and it changes the file to a bunch of 0000 0000 which basically means it deleted the entire contents of my file.

This does not happen when I use KWriter for example.
I also have to mention that I Did select UTF-8 encryption for both my Sublime settings, and dolphin connection.

I've been googling for a while but can't seem to find something similar

[quiet depot]

how r u connecting

actually doesn' tmatter

i'm gonna try it on my end

I've used sublime thru dolphin sftp fine before

[static zealot]

maybe try it on my dedi as well? Just in case?

[quiet depot]

yeah i'm trying it on ur dedi

because sublime works fine for me with dolhpin sftp

[static zealot]

I just realised it happens only when I use the ptero users (the per servers ones)

[quiet depot]

ok

It happened for me too

that's weird

I'd ask in pterodactyl discord

[static zealot]

alr. will do

do they offer support for non latest versions tho? xD

bcz I'm 1 version behind I think

[quiet depot]

how is it not latest oof

i'll update it

give me 2 secs

[static zealot]

oh ok ty ty

they updated like 2-3 days after you set it up

[quiet depot]

rude

[static zealot]

just lmk when I can send the message lmao. I Just wrote an entire bible just need to send it 🙂

[half harness]

lol

[quiet depot]

done

sorry took a little longer than it should've

was just double checking everything was still working

[static zealot]

no worries

ty

[half harness]

for maven central, is it possible to have like a blah-shaded-1.0.0.jar too? rn I just have sources, javadocs, and regular

(regular not being shaded)

[quiet depot]

don't see why you couldn't

you just shouldn't

[half harness]

the thing is, I don't know how the jars work, like i dont know where it gets it from

[half harness]

how come? it's for the people that dont use a build tool 😛

[quiet depot]

the people who don't use a build tool don't deserve support

[half harness]

lol

[quiet depot]

it's their problem

not yours

[static zealot]

true

they don't deserve love either

smh

[half harness]

okay, what if i want to have a jar that has some dependencies shaded and some not shaded and is transitive?
like if i add shadowJar, the api dependencies get shaded in

[quiet depot]

exclude dependencies you don't want

like if you're writing a plugin and you use a library that has guava as a dependency

just exclude guava

api("com.google.inject:guice:5.0.1") {
    exlude group: "com.google.guava", module: "guava"
}```

[half harness]

ohh another question - if i have an api dependency without shadowjar, will it be shaded if i include in lib?

[quiet depot]

I misunderstood this

the only jar you should be uploading to maven is the one with no dependencies shaded

it should only be your code

[half harness]

no i mean like what if i want some dependencies not transitive, or is that pointless

[quiet depot]

if you use a dependency in your code, anything that depends on your code will need that dependency

so it's not just "pointless"

it straight up won't work

[half harness]

o

so all my dependencies should be api?

(in the lib)

[old wyvern]

Not necessarily

[quiet depot]

they just need to be exposed to the client

[old wyvern]

Do you want users of your library to be able to use those dependencies?

[half harness]

uh

[old wyvern]

Or should your library completely interface its usage?

[quiet depot]

r u talking about modules yugi?

[old wyvern]

No piggy

transitiveness

[quiet depot]

I don't think this is possible

[old wyvern]

Doesnt api expose it?

[quiet depot]

oh sorry I meant I don't think not exposing dependencies is possible

because the client needs to have access to all dependencies to be able to compile the thing

[half harness]

oh

true

i think

maybe

idkkkuhjawkdhuadjaw

[old wyvern]

Lemme confirm, one sec

[quiet depot]

like the way I see it

say you specifically excluded guice from the pom in a library you published

but your library uses guice

when a user adds your dependency, it won't work, because your code has references to guice, but guice isn't on the classpath, since your build tool doesn't know its a dependency, and it doesn't know where to get it from, since you excluded it from the pom

[old wyvern]

I meant more of the build tool actually including the dependency to the actual artifact but not to the project that doesnt directly depend on it

[quiet depot]

yeah you can do that, by uploading a shaded jar like dkim originally asked about

but it's a bad idea imo

[old wyvern]

Thats not what I mean @quiet depot

Heres an example

I have a library A where i have a implementation dependency configuration for jodatime
I can use jodatime in A

now if my application B depends on A, B cannot directly use jodatime

But A will still be able to use it

[quiet depot]

only way u can do that afaik is modules

[old wyvern]

Not really

I just tested it

[quiet depot]

how

[old wyvern]

Test class, in library

Dependency in library

Usage in a separate application

When trying to import joda on that same application

[quiet depot]

what does the pom look like

[old wyvern]

lemme see, one sec

It defines it as runtime

<dependencies>
    <dependency>
      <groupId>joda-time</groupId>
      <artifactId>joda-time</artifactId>
      <version>2.10.10</version>
      <scope>runtime</scope>
    </dependency>
  </dependencies>

[quiet depot]

i see

I didn't realise implementation & api actually had corresponding maven scopes

I thought they were both just compile

and had separate functionality in only gradle

[old wyvern]

ah

[static zealot]

oh damn plasma has its own color picker. Well now its just like I had ShareX without having ShareX xD

[quiet depot]

wat

what colour picker

[old wyvern]

What is sharex?

[static zealot]

ugh

[quiet depot]

some shitty snipping tool a bunch of windows people use for some reason

[static zealot]

I can pick a pixel from the screen and it will tell me the color

[old wyvern]

ohh

[quiet depot]

I know what a colour picker is

what's it called

how do u use it

I never understood the appeal of sharex over snipping tool tbh

[old wyvern]

in before its Kolor Picker

😳

[static zealot]

COlorPIcker-Plasma. Its a widget. I had to add the widget to the screen, right click and go into config to add the shortcut otherwise I couldn't find a way to open it

[quiet depot]

oh

2 much effort 4 me

[onyx loom]

the ability to automatically upload it to an image website

[static zealot]

yeah it was a bit of effort

[onyx loom]

easy watermark additions

[static zealot]

idk why its not an application

[onyx loom]

sharex can do more than just screenshots

[quiet depot]

I never need to do either of those things though kaliber

[static zealot]

well yeah I Wasn't using them that's why the app from KDE Neon is enough to me

[quiet depot]

r u using spectacle blitz

spectacle is great

[static zealot]

yeah

[onyx loom]

i use the imgur feature sometimes, i mainly use it for GIFs tho

[jovial warren]

Using joda time in 2021 smh

[quiet depot]

fyi spectacle opens if u press print screen

just a little tip

[static zealot]

spectacle for screenshots and color picker for color picking

[old wyvern]

Commenting on a library used as an example smh

[static zealot]

I've updated the shortcuts.

[ocean quartz]

Tbh for screenshots I use LightShot because of how easy it is to select a region and edit it then copy to clipboard
I only use sharex to record small videos or gifs

[static zealot]

I only need one anyways

the selection screenshot

[quiet depot]

I use spectacle to solve math problems all the time

I take a picture of the question and I can draw all over it with the annotation feature

[static zealot]

tho I need to change the shortcut again bcz I am used to Ctrl+Shift+C for that but that's also the paste shortcut for Konsole xD

[quiet depot]

super useful

[static zealot]

btw what do you use to draw?

[onyx loom]

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[static zealot]

bcz Libre Draw sucks

[quiet depot]

erm I don't really draw much

if I have to do some editing or drawing I'll use gimp

[static zealot]

and couldn't find anything similar to paint already installed

[distant sun]

Important note: Spectacle is no longer being actively maintained
This https://www.spectacleapp.com/ ?

[quiet depot]

wat

[ocean quartz]

"Konsole" is that a console written in Kotlin? 🌚

[quiet depot]

no

[static zealot]

no

[quiet depot]

K stands for KDE

[ocean quartz]

It's a joke

[quiet depot]

spectacle is definitely maintained...

[static zealot]

well its bad one xD

at this point

you can't even tell what's a joke here

[quiet depot]

last update was a week or two ago

wew

[old wyvern]

oh

xD

[static zealot]

gimp u say? gotta se what that is

[distant sun]

well is is called spectacleapp?

[quiet depot]

it's just called spectacle

[old wyvern]

Is that supposed to be filtered?

[quiet depot]

it comes with kde neon

[distant sun]

ah

[ocean quartz]

It's because everyone making Kotlin libs will replace c with k, looking at you komponents

[quiet depot]

yugi if you don't know what that means give it a google

[static zealot]

ohh GIMP Looks nice

going to install that

[old wyvern]

Ik its a racist group

white supremacist or whatever that was

[ocean quartz]

You can tell it's a joke by the emoji

[quiet depot]

blitz I believe gimp has all the same features as photoshop

[static zealot]

yeah looks pretty good ngl

[quiet depot]

surprised you've never heard of it

it's very popular

most artists have probably used it

[static zealot]

I just need something where I Can basically draw with a brush bcz LibreOFfice Draw sucks. DOesn't have a brush. has something similar (a freeform line) but not the same

[old wyvern]

Imaging having photoshop 🥲

[static zealot]

I didn't actually search for anything like this before. I had a free license of photoshop. It expired tho and I Didn't have anythign to do with photoshop for months

[quiet depot]

@distant sun https://apps.kde.org/spectacle/

[static zealot]

so I Just used paint when I was bored

[ocean quartz]

Ehhh it doesn't actually, gimp is nice being free and for most things it's just as good
But it doesn't even get close to Photoshop though

[quiet depot]

oh

idk

[static zealot]

yeah photshop is expensive af

[quiet depot]

I've only used photoshop a few times

[old wyvern]

There was a free alternative that came close right?

[quiet depot]

most of my adobe experience is with premier and I haven't used that for yonks

[static zealot]

oh wait I've heard of GIMP before. I think LTT made a video on it? It and some other editors

[quiet depot]

yugi gimp would be the most featureful free photo editor

[old wyvern]

bm mentioned it a month or so ago

[old wyvern]

Theres another one piggy

[quiet depot]

yeah lots exist

[old wyvern]

pretty new I think from what I saw from that convo

[quiet depot]

but I highly doubt it'd be anywhere near as good as gimp

[old wyvern]

Lemme try to find it actually

[ocean quartz]

The closest to Photoshop is Affinity

[old wyvern]

Yea that

[quiet depot]

is it better than gimp?

erm

[old wyvern]

ah nvm it aint free I think

[quiet depot]

affinity costs money

[old wyvern]

yup rip

nvm

[quiet depot]

also not on linux

[ocean quartz]

Yeah free ones gimp is probably the best one

[static zealot]

Has a 90 days free triall tho xD

well I'm getting gimp anyway.

btw piggy did I tell you I Fixed my problem ?

xD

[quiet depot]

only adobe product I really have experience with is premier, but idk if I could use it anymore tbh, haven't used premier in a couple years, used to use it a fair bit for school though

[static zealot]

it took me a couple hours but in the end I Did it

[old wyvern]

Cant linux run windows applications ussually with some intermediary application

[ocean quartz]

I used Photoshop and after effects a lot when i was younger

[quiet depot]

I use ae once to try edit my server banner back in like 2018 or something

didn't go well

what was the issue blitz

btw u can delete my test.yml in bungee

that was just me reproducing the issue

[static zealot]

had to go disable secure boot and change to use my integral graphics instead of the nvidia one then had to change the startup commands or whatver and add nomodeset so it skips the initialization of nvidia drivers then finally was able to open the pc in safe graphics mode and had to use cmds to uninstall all nvidia drivers and then reinstall them (bcz it wasn't appearing in SOftware and UPdates at all)

so took abit of work

[quiet depot]

oh

[static zealot]

but in the end it works

[quiet depot]

different issue

[static zealot]

ohh lmao

yeah still waiting for Ptero

to answer

[quiet depot]

so is it all working on ur gpu now?

[old wyvern]

Werent you supposed to disable secure boot before installing anyway?

[quiet depot]

^

[static zealot]

yep

[quiet depot]

smh

[static zealot]

you have to enable it when you install proprietary drivers

[quiet depot]

might've been easier to disable that then just reinstall

[old wyvern]

No

[quiet depot]

no you don't

you definitely don't

[old wyvern]

I have my secure boot disabled

[static zealot]

it asks me to? but also that wasn't the problem tho

the problem was me messing with the commands to download and delete drivers

[old wyvern]

Thats weird

[static zealot]

and broke something. I Did notice an error

but I decided to ignore it xD

and it got me there

[quiet depot]

well this is good

[old wyvern]

Why would installation of drivers require secure boot

[quiet depot]

it's annoying

[static zealot]

something about a driver being corrupted

or something

[quiet depot]

but this is the best way to get solid experience with linux

[old wyvern]

xD

[static zealot]

I'll just use the OS drivers for now

no cs:Go no linux XD

[quiet depot]

noveau?

try play csgo on noveau

[static zealot]

yeah

[quiet depot]

csgo isn't exactly hard to run

[static zealot]

I can't. well I Can

but I get 3-15 fps

at max

[quiet depot]

if it doesn't work well, try with proton

ok that sounds like csgo is using your igpu instead of the dgpu

[static zealot]

its very very laggy. tried it

[quiet depot]

don't think even noveau goes that low

[static zealot]

well it is an old graphics card and a laptop one at that

what's proton tho?

[quiet depot]

again csgo is easy to run

[old wyvern]

How does it play on windows?

Id assume you get similar performance

[static zealot]

goes pretty well 60+ all the time

[quiet depot]

proton is some magic to run windows games on linux

csgo is a weird case where it actually runs better on proton than natively on linux

[old wyvern]

lol

[quiet depot]

u don't have to install anything fancy

u just have to enable it in steam

[static zealot]

oh fr?

[quiet depot]

ye

[static zealot]

going to try it then

but what should I Use to install apps? (that don't appear in discovery I Mean)

snap? apt?

or does it not matter

[quiet depot]

I don't ever install shit from discovery

in terminal, u should try using pkcon first

pkcon install blah

[static zealot]

oh pkcon that's it. I've heard its recommended

over snap

I forgot the name

[quiet depot]

pkcon is apt + snap + essential kde neon configurations and shit I think

[static zealot]

oh

[quiet depot]

you should always prefer using pkcon over snap & apt individually

but it doesn't always work (pkcon doesn't have everything snap & apt does)

so if u need to use snap or apt it's not the end of the world

[static zealot]

IC

[quiet depot]

for downloadable deb files (e.g. discord), u just run dpkg -i blah.deb

although I think discover has discord actually

[static zealot]

yeah it does

that's how I got it

[quiet depot]

yeah personally I'm not a fan of things like discover

I've never had success with package manager fronts like that on other os'

just easier for me to use terminal to install stuff

[static zealot]

well now to see what Proton is

also gotta say the speed problems I had before kinda dissapeared.

[quiet depot]

what speed problems

[static zealot]

at first had problems of the task bar freezing when opening apps, it taking a while to search apps when searching in the search bar or for example when searching settings

[quiet depot]

were you using prop drivers then?

[static zealot]

was using the default one (same as now)

the nouveau

I can't use the other drivers bcz it just breaks the way my screens are aligned or something

like one becomes completely black and the other one is just the bg photo

well technically it is usable

but I don't like it

[distant sun]

How do you type a long method definition in java?

    public static <T> List<T> getList(
            @NotNull final Request request,
            @NotNull final OkHttpClient client,
            @NotNull final Type type,
            @NotNull final String array
    ) {
        // Do stuff
    }```
Is this a bad approach?

[quiet depot]

2 arguments per line

[forest pecan]

Fuck u

lmao

[old wyvern]

1 per line 🥲

tbh I need to refactor some of those from slimjar

the ide generates constructors are everywhere

[quiet depot]

public static <T> List<T> getList(@NotNull final Request request, @NotNull final OkHttpClient client,
                                  @NotNull final Type type, @NotNull final String array) {
    // do stuff
}```

[old wyvern]

2 monitors worth of constructor

[cinder flare]

oh dang 2 args per line is kinda funky yet intriguing

[forest pecan]

Gaby please use your brain

Lol

[static zealot]

guess no cs:go for me

[distant sun]

?

[quiet depot]

2 argument is the perfect number star

[forest pecan]

talking about the 2 args per line

Lmao

[quiet depot]

it fits in the margin most of the time, and looks fine aesthetically

[cinder flare]

my brain never really thought about that

[distant sun]

I see that iij also arrange them this way

[cinder flare]

i just always went 1 to make a nice column

[old wyvern]

Yea 1 feels better

[forest pecan]

1 or all

[quiet depot]

2 is really the magic nmber

[old wyvern]

2 feels a bit arbitrary

[forest pecan]

No

[cinder flare]

i mean, it makes sense i guess

cause you can usually fit 2 args before hitting the column limit

[quiet depot]

it's not arbitrary

it's a specifically chosen number

[old wyvern]

Chosen by what?

[forest pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-john-cena-are-you-sure-gif-5783187

[distant sun]

is possible to use one NotNull annotation for all arguments?

[cinder flare]

the gods

[old wyvern]

xD

[cinder flare]

yeah it's called use Kotlin

[quiet depot]

from my experience, with annotations (sometimes with values) and access modifiers, 2 arguments per line is the best number that fits within the margin

[forest pecan]

dont think so. Maybe contract but idk

[old wyvern]

Doesnt that depend on the font size?

[quiet depot]

no

[old wyvern]

on my screen 2 would be out of screen

[quiet depot]

margin is character count

[cinder flare]

Yugi over here with size 200 font

[old wyvern]

I mean visible without scrolling piggu

[forest pecan]

maybe his asian eyes

too tiny

👀

[cinder flare]

lmao

[old wyvern]

A lot of us use it star

Ask matt

[cinder flare]

i know y'all are weirdos

[quiet depot]

yugi I'm not sure what you're asking

[forest pecan]

Yeah we got tiny eye syndrome

[cinder flare]

i had to modify matt's colors just to get the font back to normal

[old wyvern]

I have headaches trying to read small fonts for too long

[quiet depot]

the margin is set at 80-120 chars iirc

font size is irrelevant

[old wyvern]

I mean the visible text-area without scrolling

[quiet depot]

if you have to scroll sideways to see your text at 80 chars because of massive font size, then that's irrelevant, because it's not just for your benefit, it's for others aswell

[old wyvern]

also, meeting about to strat, brb in 10 mins

[forest pecan]

strat

[quiet depot]

no you generally don't want code to span the entire viewable area

[old wyvern]

There are many that do it, not jsut me

[quiet depot]

generally a fair bit less than it

[cinder flare]

they're planning the strats for the next LoL game

[forest pecan]

Lol

[quiet depot]

an 80-120 char margin allows for your eyes to take in everything at once without spanning across the screen

[cinder flare]

i mean, probably a majority of people can fit more than 100 chars on their screen

[forest pecan]

google use 100

[quiet depot]

this is why most sites also have huge borders on the side

[cinder flare]

yeah that's like, the only thing I dislike about the Google Java conventions

set that bad boy to 130ish

[quiet depot]

google's java conventions suck lol

[cinder flare]

i tend to like most of them

[forest pecan]

^

I just dislike the indentation tho for lambda shit

[quiet depot]

yeah idk I just dislike the ones people in here seem to talk about

[forest pecan]

my only concern

[quiet depot]

I haven't really read the google java thing

I just know of the ones people in here talk about

and I dislike them

[forest pecan]

🥶

[cinder flare]

yugi really filling up the screen with 1/3 of a line lmao

[old wyvern]

brb meeting

[ocean quartz]

The way google's convention does the parenthesis makes me want to die

[cinder flare]

wait how do they do it

it better be OTB

[quiet depot]

otb?

on the brace?

[cinder flare]

one true brackets

yea

oh or are we talking parens

[ocean quartz]

This, for multiple parameters

method(
               ) {
}

[cinder flare]

well wait put some parameters in there

[quiet depot]

that's how I do it...

[forest pecan]

that looks fine

[quiet depot]

it's the best way

[distant sun]

is not that bad Matt

[forest pecan]

i hope you arent an allman conservanist

[cinder flare]

public static void potato(Player player,
                          Potato potato,
                          Pulse pulsey) {
}```

that looks great

[forest pecan]

Hey

[ocean quartz]

It's too asymmetric

[cinder flare]

asymmetric?

what's the symmetrical way to do it lmao

[forest pecan]

this aint encryption

lol

[old wyvern]

public static void main(
    Player player,
    Potato potato
) {

}

[ocean quartz]

^

[distant sun]

aka kotlin style

[cinder flare]

oh what the fuck

[forest pecan]

@quiet depot doesnt this

bring allman vibes?

[quiet depot]

yes

[forest pecan]

Like

[quiet depot]

it's basically allman

[cinder flare]

no wonder I hate it