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jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:15 PM

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the

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fuck

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:16 PM

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that is A tier shitposting

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:16 PM

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honestly, you are one strange human being Niall

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:16 PM

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boolean to sgnifiy the event has been triggered lol

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:16 PM

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omfg

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:16 PM

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But nah I like EventBus

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:16 PM

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class MyListener {

    @Listener(ListenerPriority.NORMAL)
    fun onJoin(event: JoinEvent) {
        event.isCancelled = true
    }
}

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this is the current system

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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🤢

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Yeah thats neat

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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not very pragmatic

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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oh also, yk what else copying the Bungee event bus gave me?

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the fucked up priorities lol

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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why do users not have the option to compose their event handler functions

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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will have to fix those

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hopefully as simple as just inverting the value to be Byte.MAX_VALUE and using value--

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

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for plugin {
event_list = eventLists.get-or-put(plugin, new linked list<PlayerChatEvent>).add(event)
plugin.broadcast_chat_event(event_list)
}

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🙂

stuck harbor Mar 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

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https://github.com/jphp-group/jphp more modern than quercus

GitHub

jphp-group/jphp

JPHP - an implementation of PHP on Java VM. Contribute to jphp-group/jphp development by creating an account on GitHub.

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

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what
the
fuck
is
that

stuck harbor Mar 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

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still ded sadge

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gn bm

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

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no

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

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BM wdym gn

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:19 PM

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barry put you to sleep 😊

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:19 PM

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u stay here

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:19 PM

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prisma wave barry put you to sleep 😊

shut

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:19 PM

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stuck harbor https://github.com/jphp-group/jphp more modern than quercus

I might have to try this

stuck harbor Mar 17, 2021, 9:19 PM

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still seems ded

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:19 PM

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Something about that $ -> syntax gets to me

stuck harbor Mar 17, 2021, 9:20 PM

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last commit june 2020

stuck harbor Mar 17, 2021, 9:20 PM

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heady birch Something about that $ -> syntax gets to me

mmm

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:20 PM

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oh btw, KiteBoard multiplatform when

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:20 PM

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I wish java had structs

stuck harbor Mar 17, 2021, 9:20 PM

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http://rycole.com/2013/01/27/clojure-minecraft-bukkit-plugins.html 😉

Minecraft and Clojure for fun and profit, without the profit

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:20 PM

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soon

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:20 PM

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me and you should abstract KiteBoard to be multiplatform so I can eventually make an impl for Krypton lol

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I swear that's just an illegal word

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every time I say KiteBoard, Niall just disappears

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Lol

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:21 PM

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let rec admins = bristermitten :: admins [piggy cube other guy]

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:21 PM

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oh you're still here?

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surprising

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Abstraction 😦

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:21 PM

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would mean KiteBoard for Krypton would be easier

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so we wouldn't have to rewrite it from scratch lol

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:22 PM

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What is your scoreboard api like again

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I thinkyou showed me it

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:22 PM

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heady birch What is your scoreboard api like again

basically Bukkit++ lol

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Bukkit::getPlayer

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god i wish this was real

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:22 PM

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but I'll allow you to use packets with ease if you really want to lol

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the server will be available as a dep

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:22 PM

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imagine

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:23 PM

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but you shouldn't need to anyway

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:23 PM

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auto player = bukkit::getPlayer ("player name");

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(*char) player[10]

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what will it do?

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we do not know

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:23 PM

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A server implementation with a packet api 🙏

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:23 PM

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heady birch A server implementation with a packet api 🙏

the best you'll get there is the server's packet API

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the API won't expose packets

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:23 PM

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What if plugin developers want to make their own packets???

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:24 PM

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the backend's packet API is actually decent though

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just implement Packet and then send it pretty much

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:24 PM

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heady birch What if plugin developers want to make their own packets???

minecraft codebase on github... make a pr smart arse

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:24 PM

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its write function will get called if it's outbound

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:24 PM

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packetHandlers->register(0x01, myPacketHandler) 😮

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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might start c++ jerking

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that would be fun and unique

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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I'm in

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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*char

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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ok

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there is a small issue

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i do not know c++

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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e.g. ```kotlin
class MyCustomPacket(private val myCustomParameter: String) : PlayPacket(0x82) { // fake ID lol

override fun write(buf: ByteBuf) {
    buf.writeString(myCustomParameter)
}

}

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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doesn't matter

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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ez

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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ok

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.h files are the future, functional programming is for OUTDATED losers

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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just hate exceptions and all that

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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doesC++ even have exceptions

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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safety obsessed LOSERS cant handle a bit of pointery pointery

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Niall what do you think of the packets

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Do you have a read method as well

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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it does and they need to be "activated" with a compiler flag lol but they are highly discouraged

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like

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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heady birch Do you have a read method as well

you bet

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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highly discouraged

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:26 PM

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you choose which one you override

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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Yeah i think it is pretty good

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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optionals should be used instead

stuck harbor Mar 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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always use malloc() and free()

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the best functions?

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methods?

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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if you wanna make inbound packets though, you gotta register them with PacketState.PLAY.register(0x82, ::MyCustomPacket)

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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operator new tho

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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You could always have PacketEncoder<? extends Packet> PacketDecoder<? extends Packet> idk probably over the top

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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imagine overriding operator delete[]

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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jovial warren if you wanna make inbound packets though, you gotta register them with `PacketSt...

Thats nice. I like this way of registering them

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:27 PM

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heady birch You could always have PacketEncoder<? extends Packet> PacketDecoder<? extends Pa...

@prisma wave @tranquil crane thoughts lol

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actually lemme tweak

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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famous wrapper "kanye west" once said that c++ was more modern than haskell would ever be

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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InboundPacket and OutboundPacket superior

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no need for encoders and decoders

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:28 PM

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C++ is gonna get some compile time reflection added by C++23 :]

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neat

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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Let me guess, in 2023?

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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uh

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sweats

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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the only thing I think of when I hear the words "C++" is whatever tf kinda syntax cout >> "Hello World" is

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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<< *

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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bit shift 🙃

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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lmao

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yeah

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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wait does it actually bit shift that string into cout

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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cout is output stream, piping bytes to stream

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i think

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i have never used c++

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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jovial warren wait does it actually bit shift that string into `cout`

you are "shifting" the string into cout

tranquil crane Mar 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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huh

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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dear god

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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I legit don't know who thought it was a good idea to overload << and >> for cin and cout lmao

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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why can't it just be printf, println, print, etc. like normal people

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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tranquil crane huh

dw lol

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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jovial warren why can't it just be `printf`, `println`, `print`, etc. like *normal people*

I mean you can use them

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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printfn 🙂

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:30 PM

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just std::printf

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global functions and variables are also highly discouraged lmao

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that's why the C standard library is under the std namespace

tranquil crane Mar 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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what, you don't like your programming language full of magic functions? php not good enough for you??

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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lmao

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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really makes you think

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:31 PM

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if programming was English:

Can you please declare me a main function with a value that prints the words "Hello World!"

tranquil crane Mar 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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let's just write a minecraft server implementation in php

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it's the perfect language

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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tranquil crane let's just write a minecraft server implementation in php

okay, maybe time for you to depart now

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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would php be more secure if popular functions such as mysql_query were in a different namespace? probably

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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I'd rather use Python than PHP

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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tranquil crane let's just write a minecraft server implementation in php

ever heard of PocketMine?

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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though I can't really say shit, since I'm actually starting to like Python now

tranquil crane Mar 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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obtuse gale ever heard of PocketMine?

excuse me

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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It's an MC:BE impl in PHP

tranquil crane Mar 17, 2021, 9:32 PM

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burn it

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:33 PM

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https://github.com/pmmp/PocketMine-MP

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:33 PM

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i feel like python would be much less obscure if they adopted modern features such as arrays

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:33 PM

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prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:33 PM

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blursed

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:33 PM

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prisma wave i feel like python would be much less obscure if they adopted modern features su...

modern
arrays

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:33 PM

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you're fine with python being "obscure" then lmao

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

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lol

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

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but "modern arrays" are where you take issue

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

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if only there was something similar ever since the inception of computing...

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oh wait

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pointers

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:34 PM

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Only rust has modern arrays

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Out of bounds is impossible

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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scarily true

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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y'all seen how to get an element at an index n from a tuple in c++?

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std::get<n>(some_tuple);

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(::::::

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Cool

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:35 PM

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how

heady birch Mar 17, 2021, 9:36 PM

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That is cool

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:36 PM

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what's really cool is that it's all compile time crap

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love that

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and the fact you can pass values for template arguments

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:36 PM

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this represents everything wrong with the world today

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 9:40 PM

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lmao have you all seen the sonatype ""helpful"" videos on publishing etc to central?

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the music bro

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prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 9:51 PM

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lmfao

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:52 PM

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I thought that said dkim for a moment there haha

old wyvern Mar 17, 2021, 9:52 PM

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clash anyone?

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:55 PM

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https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/bukkit/browse/src/main/java/org/bukkit/metadata/LazyMetadataValue.java#25 this just makes me laugh

static zealot Mar 17, 2021, 9:57 PM

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15k? What's that? Money for water ...

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xD

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water for the next few years

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https://i.imgur.com/1kseh1T.png

Imgur

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:57 PM

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private static final Object ACTUALLY_NULL = new Object();

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https://tenor.com/LgPu.gif

Tenor

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https://tenor.com/bqHnw.gif

Tenor

static zealot Mar 17, 2021, 9:58 PM

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jovial warren `private static final Object ACTUALLY_NULL = new Object();`

hmm

lunar cypress Mar 17, 2021, 9:58 PM

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I feel like they should have done it the other way around

static zealot Mar 17, 2021, 9:58 PM

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I mean budget doesn't mean they'll pay that much

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also they pay hourly

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:58 PM

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more like private static final Object ACTUALLY_NOT_NULL = new Object(); amirite

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kekw

lunar cypress Mar 17, 2021, 9:59 PM

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no I mean like they use their sentinel object to indicate that no value has been calculated yet

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that would make more sense

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 9:59 PM

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oh also, we luckily don't need this in Kotlin 😎

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delegates

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:00 PM

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jovial warren `private static final Object ACTUALLY_NULL = new Object();`

the fuck is that shit

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Bukkit

lunar cypress Mar 17, 2021, 10:00 PM

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it's not so dumb, really

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I mean how would you do it

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:00 PM

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I wouldn't call it ACTUALLY_NULL lol

lunar cypress Mar 17, 2021, 10:00 PM

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other than what I described

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:00 PM

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because it's not actually null is it

lunar cypress Mar 17, 2021, 10:01 PM

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It's a marker for it being actually null

half harness Mar 17, 2021, 10:01 PM

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who ghost pinged me

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😦

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:02 PM

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https://tenor.com/oZZh.gif

Tenor

Huh

▶ Play video

static zealot Mar 17, 2021, 10:03 PM

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lmao xD

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:03 PM

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lunar cypress It's a marker for it being actually null

wat

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you're confusing me

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it's not actually null, since it has a value

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omg you missed the hint

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:04 PM

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jovial warren https://tenor.com/oZZh.gif

.

half harness Mar 17, 2021, 10:04 PM

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uh

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but

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um

lunar cypress Mar 17, 2021, 10:04 PM

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jovial warren it's not actually null, since it has a value

yes. but this value is a stand in for something else. it's a slightly confusing name, but they're not saying that the value the name is associated with is null

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:05 PM

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lunar cypress yes. but this value is a stand in for something else. it's a slightly confusing ...

ah right

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oh btw, anyone know where the items are in Bukkit?

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dw, got it

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org.bukkit.material lol

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seems legit

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also, https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/bukkit/browse/src/main/java/org/bukkit/material/Command.java worst name for a command block ever

distant sun Mar 17, 2021, 10:08 PM

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Why ...

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:09 PM

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clashes with commands lol

static zealot Mar 17, 2021, 10:10 PM

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half harness uh

Why?

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:11 PM

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jovial warren also, https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/bukkit/browse/src/mai...

MaterialData
@deprecated all usage of MaterialData is deprecated and subject to removal.

Use {@link org.bukkit.block.data.BlockData}.

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

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obtuse gale > MaterialData > @deprecated all usage of MaterialData is deprecated and subject...

yeah I saw that

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so where are the items then 🤔

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OH Bukkit doesn't have items does it

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it just has Item and ItemStack

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:12 PM

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wdym?

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I think you're looking in the wrong place...

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whatever you're looking for

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:13 PM

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I'm looking for the item classes

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:13 PM

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ItemMeta & subinterfaces?

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:13 PM

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I guess

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:14 PM

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They are like the "BlockState" of an ItemStack

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:14 PM

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where are they

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I found ItemMeta itself

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it's in org.bukkit.inventory.meta

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:14 PM

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yea

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:14 PM

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but where are the items

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:14 PM

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what do you mean by that

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:15 PM

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the item interfaces

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:15 PM

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??

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:15 PM

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like you have for blocks

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or are they just item stacks

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:15 PM

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an ItemStack represents an item yes...

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ItemMeta would be the equivalent of BlockState (vanilla block data, the one that contains the NBT)

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BlockData (vanilla block states, old MaterialData) have nothing to do with items

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

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I swear Bukkit has an Item somewhere

forest pecan Mar 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

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they do

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

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for the item as entity type

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yes

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but it's an Entity

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

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oh right

forest pecan Mar 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

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i remember i keep accidently importing it

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lol

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

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so entities and blocks are interface per type

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and then items are just one for all

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

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Not necessarily

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

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jovial warren so entities and blocks are interface per type

a heap load of blocks don't have neither a specific BlockData nor BlockState

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

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I suppose it makes sense

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

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e.g. stone

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

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interface per type of entity or block I mean

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not type of data or state

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

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right... blocks have BlockData and BlockState

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:17 PM

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also, this is why Bukkit is a mess

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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there is nothing extending just Block

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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why tf is ItemStack in org.bukkit.inventory

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Block is Block

lunar cypress Mar 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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jovial warren why tf is `ItemStack` in org.bukkit.inventory

because ItemStack is, fundamentally, tied to inventories?

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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and depending on the block it has a BlockData or a BlockState, or both

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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lunar cypress because ItemStack is, fundamentally, tied to inventories?

very good point actually

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anyway, gn you lot

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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night

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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obtuse gale Block is Block

Fefo, 2021

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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you seem to be misunderstanding how blocks work in bukkit

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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maybe

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gn

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I mean, idrc how Bukkit handles them, I just wanted to know so I can use it as a reference for Krypton's API

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:21 PM

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That implies you do care if you're taking it as reference

jovial warren Mar 17, 2021, 10:22 PM

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I guess

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Idk why I'm even using Bukkit as a reference, should just be building the API by abstracting the server

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A.k.a building it around the server

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But instead, I'm building the server around the API

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Anyway, I really gotta be off now

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Gn

cinder flare Mar 17, 2021, 10:49 PM

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jovial warren But instead, I'm building the server around the API

Probably good to try to maintain plugin compatability eh?

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Man the LP discord gets the biggest dumbest braindeads when it comes to API help

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Literally 0 programming knowledge

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Entirely

cinder flare Mar 17, 2021, 10:52 PM

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obtuse gale Literally 0 programming knowledge

Hey man, learning an entire API is pretty hard, cut em some slack

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:52 PM

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I know, I had some hiccups when I entered the LP API realm

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But I'm not talking about the API specifically

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I'm not even talking about Java specifically

cinder flare Mar 17, 2021, 10:54 PM

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Oh lol. Did you have to explain interfaces to them like yesterday? Haha

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:55 PM

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I did but this is worse

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I'm like "Did you give the lp variable a value?"

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"I have this public LuckPerms lp;"

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And asdjhkfasdhfaos

cinder flare Mar 17, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Lmaoooo

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"But it's right there!"

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:56 PM

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And Luck wants us to be nice and all but girl I just can't sometimes

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That's why I rant here lmao

cinder flare Mar 17, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Well it makes for some quality entertainment, so keep it up! 👍

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:57 PM

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We do have a delightful #pebkac channel :P

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The wiki clearly says how you should import the API, how you should get an instance of the API

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I link it to them over and over again and they still get it all wrong

cinder flare Mar 17, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Ah the old "Not everyone should be a programmer" haha

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Defo no lmao

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 11:12 PM

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obtuse gale We do have a delightful #pebkac channel :P

An entire channel dedicated to pebcak??

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 11:12 PM

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And an archive one yeah lol

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 11:12 PM

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pebcac* 🥴

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 11:12 PM

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lmao

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#703971293367894017 :p

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 11:20 PM

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Can't see it 🥲

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 11:21 PM

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heh

ocean quartz Mar 17, 2021, 11:24 PM

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@distant sun What .. the .. fuck

sweet cipher Mar 17, 2021, 11:25 PM

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What would be the best way to store data in a database like SQL that might change in the future? Like if a field was added to an object.
Is it best to just add columns if I ever need to, or is there a better way? If you have links to anything that would be helpful too.

old wyvern Mar 17, 2021, 11:28 PM

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You'd have to have something store the database version and create migration handlers

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Most ORMs do a lot of it for you if you wanna go that way

forest pecan Mar 17, 2021, 11:32 PM

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ocean quartz <@!207575115616092161> What .. the .. fuck

are those relocations?

ocean quartz Mar 17, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Yes

forest pecan Mar 17, 2021, 11:32 PM

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no actual like

old wyvern Mar 17, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Whats wrong?

sweet cipher Mar 17, 2021, 11:32 PM

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I'll have to learn about ORM's, if you have any links that would be good, I looked at this one
https://www.tutorialspoint.com/hibernate/orm_overview.htm#:~:text=ORM stands for Object-Relational,as Java%2C C%23%2C etc.

forest pecan Mar 17, 2021, 11:32 PM

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base package name?

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lmao

ocean quartz Mar 17, 2021, 11:33 PM

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Wdym?

forest pecan Mar 17, 2021, 11:34 PM

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ok whatever ic

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like he got rid of the com.github domain part

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thingy

ocean quartz Mar 17, 2021, 11:35 PM

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Still confused what you're trying to say, but no I pinged him because that's the most hideous thing i've ever seen in my life

old wyvern Mar 17, 2021, 11:36 PM

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sweet cipher I'll have to learn about ORM's, if you have any links that would be good, I look...

I've heard JOOQ is also nice
https://www.jooq.org/

sweet cipher Mar 17, 2021, 11:37 PM

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Okay thank you, I will look into that

forest pecan Mar 17, 2021, 11:40 PM

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you know how python and c++ and c have this thing were if an integer is set to 1 you could do something like

if (num) {

}

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cause 0 = false, 1 = true

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why didn't Java have this if its parent language was c?

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 11:41 PM

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Because booleans in C are literally just numbers afaik

cinder flare Mar 17, 2021, 11:41 PM

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Cause it was confusing and non-obvious

prisma wave Mar 17, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Whereas in java they're an actual type

cinder flare Mar 17, 2021, 11:42 PM

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^

forest pecan Mar 17, 2021, 11:42 PM

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ic

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yea that makes more sense

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 11:46 PM

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prisma wave Whereas in java they're an actual type

which means you can't do branchless programming

obtuse gale Mar 17, 2021, 11:46 PM

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forest pecan cause 0 = false, 1 = true

0 is false, anything other than 0 is true, whether it's 1, 2, -10654 etc

forest pecan Mar 17, 2021, 11:47 PM

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weirdchamp

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 12:01 AM

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#816184747024711693 message
lol ever since this guy put [requirements] now everyone is 🤣

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 12:07 AM

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The herd mentalilty haha

forest pecan Mar 18, 2021, 12:52 AM

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distant sun Mar 18, 2021, 12:56 AM

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ocean quartz <@!207575115616092161> What .. the .. fuck

What do you mean? We agreed on this LMFAO

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 12:56 AM

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thats clean

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😄

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 12:58 AM

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distant sun What do you mean? We agreed on this LMFAO

Did we? It's hideous

distant sun Mar 18, 2021, 12:58 AM

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-.-

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 12:58 AM

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its not

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its readable, minimal, maintainable, adaptable and configurable

distant sun Mar 18, 2021, 12:59 AM

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Go to sleep matt

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 12:59 AM

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It's horrible, groovy sucks for that, it's like the worse thing i've ever seen

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 12:59 AM

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yeah the chances are you wake up tmrw and feel great about what malloc did for you

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 12:59 AM

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ocean quartz It's horrible, groovy sucks for that, it's like the worse thing i've ever seen

no

forest pecan Mar 18, 2021, 1:37 AM

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Optional<Optional<Optional<Optional<?>>>>

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 1:37 AM

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mmm generics

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go brrrrrr

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 1:38 AM

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forest pecan Optional<Optional<Optional<Optional<?>>>>

Supplier<? super Object>
Consumer<? extends Object>🤡

forest pecan Mar 18, 2021, 1:38 AM

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🤡

forest pecan Mar 18, 2021, 2:15 AM

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"zip".split(" ") should just return a String array with just "zip" in it right

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yea

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:19 AM

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yea you're just splitting a string literal

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Can you do that in Java?

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That seems like a Ruby think to do haha

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5.times()
``` and all that

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@steel heart

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public class Person {
    private String name;
    private String email;
    private int age;

    public Person(String name, String email, int age) {
        this.name = name;
        this.email = email;
        this.age = age;
    }

    public String getName() {
        return name;
    }

    public String getEmail() {
        return email;
    }

    public int getAge() {
        return age;
    }

    @Override
    public String toString() {
        return name + " - " + email + " - " + age;
    }

    @Override
    public int hashCode() {
        int result = 17;
        result = 31 * result + name.hashCode();
        result = 31 * result + email.hashCode();
        result = 31 * result + age;
        return result;
    }

    @Override
    public boolean equals(Object obj) {
        if (obj != null && obj.getClass() == this.getClass()) {
            Person castObj = (Person) obj;

            if (this.name.equals(castObj.getName())) return false;
            if (this.email.equals(castObj.getEmail())) return false;
            if (this.age != castObj.getAge()) return false;
        }
        return false;
    }
}```

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compared to

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:21 AM

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oh

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jeez

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:21 AM

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data class Person(val name: String, val email: String, val age: Int)

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:21 AM

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lmao

gusty glen Mar 18, 2021, 2:21 AM

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lol

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:21 AM

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so?

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:21 AM

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as I said, beyond saving

gusty glen Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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you missed the copy method

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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If you can't see the impact that those lines would have, you will never like Kotlin

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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I can generate all that with java in my ide within some seconds

gusty glen Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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and also optional parameters

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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Just cause you can generate doesn't mean it doesn't make code cleaner

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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if you like infering then I accept your choice

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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You still have to look at that bad boy

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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@obtuse gale The message I pinged you there was saying I'm coming for you to convert you into a Kotlin user

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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steel heart if you like infering then I accept your choice

It's called sensible defaults

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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cinder flare You still have to look at that bad boy

lombok 🥲

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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cleaner hmm then I could just use lombok with java

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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f

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no

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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LMAO

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:23 AM

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NOo

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:23 AM

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ocean quartz <@456226577798135808> The message I pinged you there was saying I'm coming for y...

yeah sure lmao

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try

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:23 AM

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you see

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:23 AM

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someone make the bot do the thing

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:23 AM

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cinder flare as I said, beyond saving

agreed

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:23 AM

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the thing

distant sun Mar 18, 2021, 2:23 AM

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cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:23 AM

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=lombok

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or somethin

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:23 AM

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?plsnolombok

compact perchBOT Mar 18, 2021, 2:23 AM

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FAQ Answer:

Why is Lombok bad?

It's a compiler hack - the Java compiler isn't designed to modify code, so it can cause difficult to debug errors, or worse
It requires an IDE plugin, so unless you've properly configured Maven, Gradle and your IDE, you'll get hundreds of compilation errors. This process takes time too, it's not easy
Lombok'd code won't show in Javadocs
The code generation is often unpredictable and difficult to debug, and often you'll have to do it "the hard way" anyway
Java is supposed to be explicit, Lombok hides a lot of key functionality into a subtle annotation which can be easy to miss
While IDEs support it with a plugin, it's usually more difficult to find specific things, like usages of a getter because they don't exist in the source code
Finally, Lombok'd bytecode doesn't match the source code, so it causes a pretty annoying warning in IntelliJ

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:23 AM

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distant sun

Now I can get behind taht

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:23 AM

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distant sun

👀

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:24 AM

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Poor Conclure

distant sun Mar 18, 2021, 2:24 AM

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It has to be done, conclure

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:24 AM

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cinder flare ```java public class Person { private String name; private String email;...

in java (without lombok) you could in principle have public fields and use Objects.hash instead, that would surely cut down it reasonably

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if your point is to make it more consise and friendlier

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:24 AM

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But that throws away safety

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:24 AM

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public fields in java 🤢

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:25 AM

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safety?

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public fields?

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:25 AM

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You know why getters and setters exist, right?

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:25 AM

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so what? kotlin uses fields doesn't it?

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like instead of getters and setters

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:25 AM

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Properties

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:25 AM

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No, they just have automatic getters and setters that you can then override

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:25 AM

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They have getters and setters

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:26 AM

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yeah for that I recall

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:26 AM

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So if you don't care at first, you don't have to code anything

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:26 AM

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but even so why would you override a getter

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:26 AM

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Since when should you not care about your code

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:26 AM

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If you then want to change it and make it harder to access, you can do it without having to change the code

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:26 AM

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That's why you can

var something: String
  set() = ..
  get() = ..

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:26 AM

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most cases that wouldn't be necessary

distant sun Mar 18, 2021, 2:26 AM

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question, why cant kotlin sometimes use its getter/setter format on bukkit? Eg Server#getPluginManager

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:27 AM

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steel heart most cases that wouldn't be necessary

You're exactly right, which is why it does it by default so you don't have to, then you never have to override it :)

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:27 AM

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distant sun question, why cant kotlin sometimes use its getter/setter format on bukkit? Eg S...

Those aren't getters in a way, they aren't linked to a specific field, it's just a static helper

distant sun Mar 18, 2021, 2:27 AM

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Hmm, I see.

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:29 AM

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class A {
  public O o;
}
class B {
  {
    new A.o = new O();
  }
}```

if we change o in class A without refactor surely class B wouldnt compile

```kt
class A() {
  lateinit var o: O;
}

class B() {
  init {
    A().o = O()
  }
}

wouldn't this be the same case for kotlin starmism?

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did I type the kotlin out right btw?

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lol

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:30 AM

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That isn't the same

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:30 AM

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Im not sure what you're trying to do lol

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:30 AM

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ok there then

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:31 AM

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data class A(var o: O)

Implies you're doing A(o)

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:31 AM

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oh wait let me change

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lol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:31 AM

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I'm saying if you have a getter that returns like, I dunno, health of a character

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:31 AM

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So in Java it'd need to be

class A {
  O o;
  public A(O o) {
    this.o = o;
  }
}

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Verbose as it gets

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:31 AM

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yeah I recognized

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:32 AM

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Then if you actually want to only ever return 0 even if they go negative health, you can setup an override getter in Kotlin and it wouldn't change its access

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:32 AM

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The second example still wouldn't work because o is never initialized

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:33 AM

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do I declare null?

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no nvm

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Null

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:33 AM

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Could be lateinit

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lateinit var o: O

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:33 AM

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lets go with that

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:33 AM

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Yeah but this is a pretty funky example

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I'm not saying for all cases, just ones like I said above

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But in theory, as long as it doesn't return something different, you should be able to in-place override any getter without having to change the code using it

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:34 AM

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Lets say that we're talking about regular POJOs nothing extraordinary

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then technically an exposed java field would work equivalent to kotlins propertioes?

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sort of

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not 100% equivalent

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:35 AM

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Yes, but you'd run into a lot of problems if you ever wanted to control getting and setting it

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That's why getters and setters exist and are common coding practice for defensive coding

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To protect you from yourself

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:36 AM

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though in principle if the getter and setter only acts like a vessel for the object it is somewhat meaningless

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:36 AM

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Yes, but in Java you'd still write out a getter and setter in case you'd want to change it later

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:36 AM

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yup

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:36 AM

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And yes, I know you can generate them with your IDE, but it's still annoying boilerplate you have to read

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And it's hell for watching students code with NotePad++ lol

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:36 AM

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although we have refactor tools in ides

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but lets assume other stuff depends on your project

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:37 AM

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Yup, but it's built into the language!

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:37 AM

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then yes

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:37 AM

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And yeah, even better!

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:37 AM

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cinder flare Yup, but it's built into the language!

I mean ok?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:37 AM

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cinder flare And it's hell for watching students code with NotePad++ lol

I feel that

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:37 AM

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obtuse gale I feel that

The teacher really says "I don't recommend using an IDE/linter" and I go thonking

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:38 AM

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why

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:38 AM

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Then my Intellij goes brrrrr

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:38 AM

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lmao

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I remember having to write a whole Arduino program with pen an paper for an exam

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It was like

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3 frigging pages long

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:38 AM

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Dude wtf

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:38 AM

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yeah idk either

remote goblet Mar 18, 2021, 2:39 AM

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Programming teachers genuinely suck

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:39 AM

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Starmism you encouraged me to create a why not to use kotlin over java thread smiling_face_with_3_tears

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:39 AM

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I got a 100 so 😎

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:39 AM

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VS Code exists man

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:39 AM

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steel heart Starmism you encouraged me to create a why not to use kotlin over java thread <:...

Oh yeah? What would be on it lol? "I don't like automatic vals for variables passed in, I hate common coding practice and safety"

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:39 AM

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yup

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actually no

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:40 AM

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I mean you can stick with java lol

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:40 AM

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would rather

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:40 AM

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Eventually they'll most likely make that a thing because it's a smart thing to do and they're copying Kotlin haha

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:40 AM

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yeah I feel that

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:40 AM

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and they're copying Kotlin
I mean Conclure did mention that lmao

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:41 AM

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I mean they did add more functional switches and sealed classes for instance

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:41 AM

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And it compiles to JavaScript too lol

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So you can make a fullstack web application in Kotlin

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:41 AM

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yeye thats a good reason to learn kotlin

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think matt did something with react and kotlin

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:42 AM

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ooh have you seen string interpolation

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:42 AM

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okay stop

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:42 AM

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that shit is nice, though I guess it doesn't save too many lines

#

val x = 4
val y = 7
print("sum of $x and $y is ${x + y}")  // sum of 4 and 7 is 11```

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:42 AM

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String#concat works great duh

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but I will take it as java might add it one day

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so no worries

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🤡

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:43 AM

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Ooh, letting you override ==

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Now that shit can be confusing to a new developer

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:44 AM

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Overriding << to ostream things 🌝

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:44 AM

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cinder flare Now that shit can be confusing to a new developer

I mean having to use .equals, not overriding ==

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:44 AM

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obtuse gale Overriding `<<` to ostream things 🌝

Oooh yeah, the C++ way! I never really got why that was the concatenation operator lol

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:44 AM

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yeah true but it's probably to make it more customizable if thats aword

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:44 AM

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It's not really a "concatenation operator", it's more of a "you're shifting data out to the stream"

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you can + strings just fine

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:45 AM

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Okay I did not know that ngl

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I just thought it was a funky way to print to the console

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:45 AM

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but the << for cout is dumb as fuck ngl

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:45 AM

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ya haha

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:45 AM

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cinder flare I just thought it was a funky way to print to the console

it kind of is.. you can definitely use regular functions for that lol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:45 AM

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I bet someone's made a function that's just println then does

cout << inputString << endl```

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:46 AM

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lmao

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I mean printf is still untouched so yah

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:46 AM

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printf kinda lame tho

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:46 AM

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and if I'm not mistaken << just calls .write under the hood lol

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:47 AM

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so << is used cuz its shorter?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:47 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:47 AM

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thonk

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:48 AM

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who knows what C++ be doing man

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:48 AM

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I hear a lot of good things about newer versions of C++ though

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Ever since C++11 (so 11, 14, 17 and 20) they have been adding really cool and useful stuff

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:49 AM

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yeah but like every project still uses C++11

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:49 AM

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lmao

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17 is my way to go currently

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:49 AM

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java did add some support for a newer C++ version in 16 😮

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:49 AM

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for like the 2 projects I currently have in c++

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:49 AM

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I think

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:50 AM

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or older 🤮

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:50 AM

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steel heart java did add some support for a newer C++ version in 16 😮

wait wdym

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like you can call C++ code easily in Java or somethin?

forest pecan Mar 18, 2021, 2:50 AM

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wasnt that always a thing

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native keyword

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Java is also getting much better tbh

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:50 AM

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It definitely is

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:50 AM

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ya i didn't know that ngl

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:50 AM

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But C++ best waifu

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:51 AM

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https://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk/16/

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:51 AM

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Reflection TS 🤤

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 2:51 AM

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347

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:51 AM

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Fefo you should give me some example projects to do in C++ with about 2 days of experience and a lot of knowledge of Java and bit of C :)

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:51 AM

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A BrainFuck interpreter lol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:51 AM

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ah shit you're right

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the Fefo Way™

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:52 AM

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I remember doing some mandelbrot thing..? I think?

forest pecan Mar 18, 2021, 2:52 AM

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https://github.com/Wilfred/bfc

GitHub

Wilfred/bfc

An industrial-grade brainfuck compiler. Contribute to Wilfred/bfc development by creating an account on GitHub.

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:52 AM

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my boy Wilfred being a hero

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:52 AM

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OH YEAH

#

MENACE

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:52 AM

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it can cross-compile BF haha

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:53 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/Ll4KdE3.png uh is it normal for this to take like 5+ minutes

Imgur

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:53 AM

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I don't think so boss

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Even Maven isn't that slow 🤣

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wot

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:53 AM

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idk

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fefo

#

talk

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plz

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:53 AM

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It seems to be Building the model...

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:53 AM

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ur typing

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fefo

#

why are you taking

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so long

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to type

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:54 AM

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That looks like when it compiles Maven's thing to parse it

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Also why is that progress bar so beautiful

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:54 AM

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um

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:54 AM

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cinder flare That looks like when it compiles Maven's thing to parse it

u use maven?

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🤮

#

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:54 AM

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I remember doing a whole tic tac toe thing in c++ and even made a whole thing for calculating unique boards (mirrors/rotations etc), all because I wanted to make MENACE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchbox_Educable_Noughts_and_Crosses_Engine
I still have the project finished and in theory it works and it learns from itself and previous games but I never played more than like 5 rounds so I never actually found out if it actually learns anything lmao

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:55 AM

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;-;

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ok ima press cancel

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and do it again

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Basically my first and only machine learning project hahah

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:55 AM

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obtuse gale I remember doing a whole tic tac toe thing in c++ and even made a whole thing fo...

is it open source

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:55 AM

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half harness u use maven?

I'm trying okay! I don't have a choice when I'm contributing to other projects loll

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:56 AM

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half harness is it open source

No

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:56 AM

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ok

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 2:56 AM

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Not yet at least

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fingerguns

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:56 AM

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sad_fingerguns

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 2:56 AM

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I ain't Conclure out here, rejecting the future 🤣

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well what is it

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:58 AM

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uh nvm

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😬

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oh lol

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 2:59 AM

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Wtf Dkim

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 2:59 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/ARZ7cbl.png
at least i have an A

Imgur

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:01 AM

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half harness https://i.imgur.com/Ll4KdE3.png uh is it normal for this to take like 5+ minutes

😦

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still happening

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i hate this

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ima restart intellij

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wtf

remote goblet Mar 18, 2021, 3:02 AM

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what kinda

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 3:02 AM

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Probably so slow because you don't have the Nyan cat progress bar

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:02 AM

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@half harness get a brtter pc

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:02 AM

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i want a brtter pc 😦

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:02 AM

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ocean quartz Probably so slow because you don't have the Nyan cat progress bar

Thats a thing?

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:02 AM

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eternal compass Thats a thing?

yes

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:02 AM

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I need that now.

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:02 AM

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its a plugin

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:04 AM

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half harness wtf

how do i fix this?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:04 AM

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by waiting

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more specifically by waiting 24 minutes and 10 seconds

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:04 AM

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ive already waited 24 minutes and 10 seconds

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i went via browser

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and its there

oblique heath Mar 18, 2021, 3:05 AM

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just download more internet

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:05 AM

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should i just manually import jar or smth

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ok i just manually imported jar

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:07 AM

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oblique heath just download more internet

Downloadmoreram.com

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:07 AM

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?download-ram

compact perchBOT Mar 18, 2021, 3:07 AM

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FAQ Answer:

https://downloadmoreram.com/

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:08 AM

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I'm glad that's a bot command

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Ah yes

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 3:09 AM

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half harness how do i fix this?

Download the Nyan progress bar

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:09 AM

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ocean quartz Download the Nyan progress bar

But what about the Mario progress bar? hmmm 🤔

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https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/14708-mario-progress-bar

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:10 AM

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nyan cat best

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 3:10 AM

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^

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:12 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/3ry0GOy.gif

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oh it didn't embed, sad

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:12 AM

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cuz lowling Tier I :kekw:

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:12 AM

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I'm trying okay!

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I've gotten like 8 levels in 2 days

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:13 AM

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8 already???

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:13 AM

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yeah boss

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maybe 7 i forget

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:14 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/3ry0GOy.gif

Imgur

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:14 AM

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hell yeah that's what I'm talking about

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:14 AM

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:p Tier 3

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:14 AM

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im speedrunning alright!

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There aren't enough noobs to help right now

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:14 AM

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I used to be a #cubes-pings tryhard, then I failed twice and gave up at tier 3

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:14 AM

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The only conversations are in #dev-general and #development

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:15 AM

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used to be just like that

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then I expanded to #off-topic

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:15 AM

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why is there red underline?

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(on gradle tab on right)

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:15 AM

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idk

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:15 AM

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no project errors

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:15 AM

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invalidate caches and restart 🙂

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:15 AM

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noooo

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i have a billion dependencies

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:16 AM

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obtuse gale then I expanded to <#164523548390457355>

oh shoot I had #off-topic muted haha

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:16 AM

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i have 19 dependencies

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it'll take ages

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Rip lol

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Btw what is mvn clean?

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:17 AM

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bro try the plugin I was working on

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:17 AM

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eternal compass Btw what is mvn clean?

It deletes the files in the target/ directory

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:17 AM

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eternal compass Btw what is mvn clean?

prob same as gradle clean

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:17 AM

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half harness prob same as gradle clean

...

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:17 AM

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eternal compass ...

clears caches

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:17 AM

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cinder flare It deletes the files in the target/ directory

cool

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:19 AM

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gtg byeeeeeeee

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:19 AM

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half harness it'll take ages

Dude mine had 18 repositories and 41 dependencies, plus it didn't even work when I did it

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:19 AM

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cinder flare Dude mine had 18 repositories and 41 dependencies, plus it didn't even work when...

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:19 AM

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I had to add a JSON thing's dependency lol

half harness Mar 18, 2021, 3:19 AM

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gson ftw

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:21 AM

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@obtuse gale whats your spigot relationship?

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That sounds wierd lol

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:22 AM

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I mean for someone who hasn't heard about Aikar's JVM flags on this community...

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:22 AM

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oh I see

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Yeah, I see your point

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:22 AM

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I dunno man, I hadn't heard about Purpur until I read a thread on reddit

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:23 AM

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Lol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:23 AM

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Though I have been running servers for basically 10 years so.. guess I'm just dog water :(

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:23 AM

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lmao

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:23 AM

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Wait aikars flags are paper, not purpur

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Big diff ^

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:23 AM

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Paper has been a thing for ages, don't know about Aikar's research on the flags but still lol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:24 AM

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I mean it doesn't say you can't use them on Purpur

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It just says my boy recommends Paper

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:24 AM

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Oh, I use them on purpur, but they're not from purpur

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:24 AM

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???/

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okay lmao

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:25 AM

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smh

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:25 AM

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Idk man, I'm tired lol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:25 AM

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Fefo's too big brain for that github discussion

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Also is that the new darkmode thingy? I like the blue accents

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:26 AM

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Yeah

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is dope

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dude legit has userManager.searchAll(...).join()

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and says "This problem can be solved by returning CompletableFuture"

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well what do you think you're calling join on

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:27 AM

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Okay so this might be really dumb, but what's with the GroupManger#getMembers syntax vs GroupManger.getMembers?

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Is it just a thing like you do on the docs?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:27 AM

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ah

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I mean it's nothing legitimately official outside of this guild

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but

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Class#method() for instance/member methods

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Class.method() for static methods

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the # probably boils from javadoc

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 3:28 AM

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eternal compass Oh, I use them on purpur, but they're not from purpur

Purpur is paper in a way

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:28 AM

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which is kind of stupid because when rendered it shows .

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:28 AM

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ocean quartz Purpur *is* paper in a way

Its a fork

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 3:28 AM

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Exactly

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:29 AM

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But its not a purpur recomendation, its aikar's, thats my point

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Billy wouldent do that much research /s

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:29 AM

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Does paper officially recommend Aikar's stuff? lol

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:30 AM

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Paper is aikar

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:30 AM

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Aikar is one of the lead devs from the Paper team

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so yea

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 3:30 AM

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Check paper's timings

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:30 AM

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Ah I see I see

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I'm just on his blog lol

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:30 AM

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"blog" lol

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so 2002

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Airplane has a blog wierdly enough

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:31 AM

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forums

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:31 AM

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I think blogs are kinda cool man

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Just to document stuff

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:31 AM

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a public diary :p

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:31 AM

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Like I saw a blogpost about accurately simulating the way light reflects in water and makes weird lines on the bottom of the pool in Unity

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it was kinda sick

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:32 AM

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Snell's law

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had to study that shit in high school

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cuz

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fiber optics

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:33 AM

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Imagine not dropping out in middle school, smh

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Full time minecraft dev at the age of 12

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Or whatever middle school is

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I forget now honestly

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 3:34 AM

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Just take the course at Mineacademy and learn how to become self reliable

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:34 AM

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It's like, around 14 I think

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let's see

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you graduate high school at 18

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:35 AM

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ocean quartz Just take the course at Mineacademy and learn how to become self reliable

How do put your face on everything?

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:35 AM

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11, grade 17, 10th grade 16, 9th grade 15, 8th grade `14, 7th grade 13, 6th grade 12

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I guess 12-14

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Ah, ok

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Or 13-15 if you live where I live and had middle school be 7-9th

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:36 AM

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man I have no clue how anything of grades and stuff work outside my country, shit's confusing as fuck

dire gulch Mar 18, 2021, 3:36 AM

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Im new to this server were it the channel were someone can help me with a texter pack

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:37 AM

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dire gulch Im new to this server were it the channel were someone can help me with a texter...

#general-plugins

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:37 AM

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Uhhh, #general-plugins ?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:37 AM

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#minecraft is.. probably the right place?

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idk

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:37 AM

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obtuse gale man I have no clue how anything of grades and stuff work outside my country, shi...

What country 👀

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:37 AM

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Argentina, all the way down south america

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:37 AM

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Oh woah, so you speak Spanish then?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 AM

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I guess I do

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 AM

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I'm in the US, and everything is stupid for no apparent reason lol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 AM

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I guess I do hahah

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 AM

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eternal compass I'm in the US, and everything is stupid for no apparent reason lol

facts

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 AM

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eternal compass I'm in the US, and everything is stupid for no apparent reason lol

Nah yeah I can agree to that one

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 AM

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:p

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:38 AM

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lmao dyno pls

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:39 AM

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Smh

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Is that irc mode?

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:39 AM

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What server is that in?

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Do you have a private discord server 👀

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:40 AM

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cinder flare What server is that in?

LuckPerms but the punishments channel lol

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:40 AM

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cinder flare Do you have a private discord server 👀

I do, yeah

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Invite is hidden somewhere in the internet...

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:40 AM

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ah it's the LP channel hmmm

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:41 AM

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COUGH

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 3:41 AM

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cough

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:41 AM

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Huh? Is that the invite or smth?

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:42 AM

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bro imagine being unlucky

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:42 AM

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cinder flare bro imagine being unlucky

wait until you see Luck

#

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:43 AM

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oh no

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:43 AM

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F

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Ok, I need to sleep. Cy'all

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:44 AM

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Night!

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this guy really hit me with a https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821951273582592000/821951860021657641/WIN_20210317_22_43_05_Pro.jpg

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:44 AM

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uuh

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GoPro bro

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:44 AM

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right!

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it bends the wrong way

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:45 AM

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360 camera where?

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:45 AM

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haha

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it bends in tho

remote goblet Mar 18, 2021, 3:45 AM

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i go past this all the time and i hate it

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:45 AM

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that's kinda cool, dunno if I'd use java as my language of choice (besides the pun)

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:46 AM

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void
return ...

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 3:46 AM

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Return on a void method thonking

remote goblet Mar 18, 2021, 3:46 AM

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no the java code is wrong

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:46 AM

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obtuse gale >void >return ...

that's something GCC won't complain about tho

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epic

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I mean it will complain

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but it won't stop you

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:46 AM

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GCC

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what a compiler

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Clang gang all the way

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:46 AM

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llvm ftw

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:47 AM

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I asked that same guy what directory the texture was in and he said "the one that I made"

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im scared

eternal compass Mar 18, 2021, 3:48 AM

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👀

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:50 AM

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cinder flare im scared

oh you're not as scared as the time I saw this image from someone in the lp discord... https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/703971293367894017/741582869457010728/unknown.png

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you know what I'm talking about exactly...

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 3:53 AM

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ummmmm

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mom come pick me up

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that's either winrar or filezilla and the icons for a .jar are internet explorer

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 3:54 AM

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that's probably fz yeah

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but the fact they had IE set to open jars...

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oh god

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 3:59 AM

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@jovial warren Suggestion for Krypton
Add plugin load priority

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 4:02 AM

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gotta love these people.......

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proceeds to ping every single staff member in existence
"srry"

hot hull Mar 18, 2021, 4:03 AM

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Shoot me please

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 4:03 AM

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no

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I'm first in line

hot hull Mar 18, 2021, 4:04 AM

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It's 5 am

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 4:04 AM

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Gets better, dms you "sorry to dm"

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Why are you awake Frosty?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 4:04 AM

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hot hull Shoot me please

that should be enough of an answer

hot hull Mar 18, 2021, 4:04 AM

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School

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This week is hectic

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I'm at school every day for 11 fucking hours

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 4:06 AM

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Schools aren't closed there?

hot hull Mar 18, 2021, 4:06 AM

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Just reopened

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We have a week of online, and then actual school, and it switches

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 4:08 AM

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hot hull We have a week of online, and then actual school, and it switches

In college?

hot hull Mar 18, 2021, 4:16 AM

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High school

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 4:16 AM

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Ah makes sense

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My sister's high school did that too

hot hull Mar 18, 2021, 4:17 AM

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Kind of dumb but oh well

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Atleast we're getting somewhere

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Haha

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Hopefully vaccine % goes up so everyone can live their lives again

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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But the 5G ships!

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 4:18 AM

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oh ye u rite u rite

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don't want my sailboat flying away with the power of 5g or anything

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aw sheet my state is only at like 6.2% of adults vaccinated :(

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I hate it here

hot hull Mar 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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Lemme see if they released an approx of where we're at

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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My country is going really slow too, 3.3% fully vaccinated

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Well yeah but you also probably don't have the financial might of the US to order vaccines and stuff lol

hot hull Mar 18, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Ah you're US

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Kek

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 4:23 AM

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We have enough vaccines for the entire population already, they are just slow at distributing

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 4:23 AM

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oh what!@

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 4:23 AM

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hot hull Ah you're US

sadly sad_fingerguns

hot hull Mar 18, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Yea y'all pretty much fucked

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 4:23 AM

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hey man, im tryin

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best part about being a developer? remote work!

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canada, here I come :)

hot hull Mar 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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Hehe

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I want to move to canada so much

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You can't get an idea

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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Argentina not good?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

Tenor

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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Lmao

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Move to Brasil they are doing great there /s

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 4:25 AM

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🙂

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 4:25 AM

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yeah but then you have to speak dollar store spanish

hot hull Mar 18, 2021, 4:25 AM

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We're at 4.05% fully vaccinated

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8.47% still waiting on the second dose

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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obtuse gale 🙂

Last week there 🙂

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They don't have pandemic

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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oh nice

#

look at how happy they look tho!

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 4:27 AM

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Exactly!

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 4:27 AM

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lol

oblique heath Mar 18, 2021, 4:40 AM

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what do yall think about the new /debug feature in 1.17

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looking an awful lot like aikar's timings ey

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 4:41 AM

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thonking

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 4:55 AM

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Nice one JetBrains

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 5:02 AM

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Hi, I have a question. How do I place the EZ-Prestige on a leaderheads plugin poster?

remote goblet Mar 18, 2021, 5:02 AM

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#general-plugins

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 5:02 AM

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Nobody answers me 😦

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😭

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And no one will answer here either, this is the wrong channel

#

Wait in there patiently until someone who knows responds

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😭

#

So I once took the terrible decision of making a public plugin, it's literally trash but I recently added a nice and dandy API to it (cuz someone needed one) and I'd like for someone to tell me what they think about the API, not the backend impl because it's trash and there's no way I'm fixing it without an entire rewrite from the very ground up ::)
IMO the API is clean and concise, and hopefully it is (it's also very small but it's natural for what the plugin does)
https://s01.oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots/
"com.github.fefo6644:betterjails-api:1.5-SNAPSHOT"
So yeah just like import it in maven/gradle/ur mum and start at the BetterJails interface :)) pls k thx

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please I really need some feedback other than my own ego

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some background information, it's a plugin made to replace EssX's jail system

oblique heath Mar 18, 2021, 5:21 AM

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BetterJails only has 3 methods?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 5:21 AM

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Indeed

#

I mean the biggest part is the event bus lmao

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But hopefully the jdocs are explanatory enough

oblique heath Mar 18, 2021, 5:23 AM

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ah yeah they're helpin

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 5:24 AM

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Pretty straightforward API imo

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 5:24 AM

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Inspired by LP's

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Somewhat yeah

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 5:25 AM

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I suggest a PlayerJailedEvent and PlayerReleasedEvent, could be pretty useful

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 5:26 AM

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PlayerImprison(ed?)Event & PrisonerReleaseEvent

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 5:26 AM

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O

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Didn't see those

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Nvm me

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 5:27 AM

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Was gonna make those cancellable but the spaghetti backend made it impossible lol

oblique heath Mar 18, 2021, 5:27 AM

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my feeble brain can't handle the stuff going on but it's definitely fancy

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 5:27 AM

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Lmao

oblique heath Mar 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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how do i get a list of all of the events I can listen to?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 5:28 AM

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They are all under the ...api.event package (in their own sub packages)

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Making the event bus made me read the documentation for Class#isAssignableFrom(Class) a lot 🥴

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Because of the whole "listens to subinterfaces too"

oblique heath Mar 18, 2021, 5:30 AM

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😮

#

well this is certainly a grade above anything i could come up with

#

all i'd want is some thorough documentation

#

to make sure me and other small brained developers can figure out how to use all of the features hidden away in this juicy package

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 5:35 AM

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There isn't much to it xD it's just the event bus doc that needs to be read thoroughly lol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:06 AM

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ocean quartz Nice one JetBrains

What color scheme is that, it's kinda thicc

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 6:18 AM

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cinder flare What color scheme is that, it's kinda *thicc*

I use Material UI with Atom one dark theme and slightly modified color scheme
For the font i use Fira code medium

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:19 AM

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obtuse gale There isn't much to it xD it's just the event bus doc that needs to be read thor...

Okay I'm kinda new to development outside of a classroom (kinda), please explain the event bus. I presume it's just you throw events into it, then Spigot catches them and tells all those EventListeners that that event happened?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Non, these are totally unrelated and detached from Bukkit's event system

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Okay, please do tell then :)

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:20 AM

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ocean quartz I use Material UI with Atom one dark theme and slightly modified color scheme Fo...

So I get the Material Theme UI plugin then change it in there?

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Yeah

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The font you change on the IDE itself

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Fuck i should be sleeping

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:21 AM

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But instead, you're vibin with me! :)

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 6:21 AM

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Suffering at 6am

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:22 AM

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Oh my god that color scheme is so nice

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So bright! and pastelly!

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:23 AM

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cinder flare Okay, please do tell then \:)

I have my own event bus (which allows for things to be platform agnostic)
In my case the other plugin passes a class of the event they want to listen to and a consumer of said event type, I literally just keep a Map that maps the event type -> handlers so yeah lol

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 6:23 AM

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I changed a few colors to make it even nicer, didn't like how the string green looked

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:23 AM

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Oh so what does your event bus accomplish then?

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:23 AM

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ocean quartz I changed a few colors to make it even nicer, didn't like how the string green l...

What color did you change it to?

ocean quartz Mar 18, 2021, 6:24 AM

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Oof I'd need to check, i can send it to you tomorrow, not on pc right now

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:24 AM

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Ah okay sick, thank you!

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:25 AM

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I can dispatch events not only not depending on Bukkit's system but I can keep track of as many things as I want and design it the way I want it to
For example if I make cancellable events I can keep track of which plugin did it based on what handler was called etc, this bus you can also subscribe to superinterfaces (e.g. subscribing to BetterJailsEvent lets you listen to every other event of a subtype)

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:26 AM

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But doesn't that make it more annoying for other developers to listen to your events? Since it's on a whole new bus

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:26 AM

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It basically boils down to flexibility

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:26 AM

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cinder flare But doesn't that make it more annoying for other developers to listen to your ev...

Yes 😛

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:26 AM

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Oh cool

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:27 AM

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But if you're designing something that will run on multiple platforms (say LuckPerms) having an own event bus is a must-have

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:27 AM

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Is BetterJails really going to be that widely adopted? lolo

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I guess it's good practice though

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:28 AM

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Was planning on making it for Sponge and Fabric too but like uuh in a thousand years lol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:28 AM

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Haha'

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lol the shortened name is BJ

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:28 AM

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I guess I just want the challenge of abstracting it out of the server software

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:28 AM

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cinder flare lol the shortened name is `BJ`

yes I know I didn't think of that when I made it

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Then when I realized I was like

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Oh...

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:29 AM

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oh I thought it was intentional haha

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:29 AM

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LMAO NOO

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XD

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:29 AM

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it's kinda hilarious tho

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:29 AM

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Well no one complained so :^) it's staying

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:29 AM

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haha yes, you put Maven before Gradle in the help section >:)

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:30 AM

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Like every other "importing X to your project" section

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They always put maven first lol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:30 AM

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Good >:)

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b

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:30 AM

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Ngl maven made it amazingly easy to publish to sonatype

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:30 AM

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what's sonatype?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:31 AM

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Central

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:31 AM

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Oh I see

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:31 AM

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Central repository for Java applications or whatever

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If you want to distribute your JVM library, Central/Sonatype is a common choice after self hosted

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:32 AM

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Ah I see, I know what Maven Central is lol, just didn't know it was called Sonatype

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:32 AM

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They are the maintainers

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I think

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No idea lol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:33 AM

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alright, time to clone betterjails and see what I can pr >:)

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:33 AM

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Yeah I'm not touching v1 no more LMAO

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When I said "it's literally trash" I meant it xD

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:33 AM

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Oh I should be touching main branch shouldn't I

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:34 AM

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The main one which I haven't touched in a long time either but it's the v2 rework!

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Yes that one

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:34 AM

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ah yes ye yes

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3 commits ahead, 48 commits behind haha

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:34 AM

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And it has many things wrong already lolol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:34 AM

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hmm, no issues?

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got anything that needs to be done?

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:34 AM

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cinder flare hmm, no issues?

Amazing 😎

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:35 AM

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cinder flare got anything that needs to be done?

There's a trello list linked.. somewhere

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Idk if in the readme or in spigotmc/bukkitdev

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:35 AM

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Ah I love trello!

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:35 AM

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I really like it but it doesn't make me any less lazy lol

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 6:36 AM

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At least you can identify, at a glance, just how lazy you are!

obtuse gale Mar 18, 2021, 6:36 AM

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Sad :)

jovial warren Mar 18, 2021, 8:36 AM

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Lol

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Oh also, https://github.com/KryptonMC/Krypton/pull/13/commits/74aa011570e02390412ab52942cd5247faa6687d totally didn't write those manually line by line lol

GitHub

Blocks and items by BomBardyGamer · Pull Request #13 · KryptonMC/Kr...

This is a work in progress PR that will add all blocks and items.
I have opened this to allow the community to see the progress on this themselves.
Feel free to comment or review if you have any su...

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Totally didn't take me a few hours to do that

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What do you guys think of those enum names btw? They're named by their names on the wiki, rather than whatever vanilla calls them internally

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Or any Bukkit BS naming

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And I split blocks and items as well, to make it easier to find what you want

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 8:47 AM

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is Krypton like paper but in kotlin?

jovial warren Mar 18, 2021, 8:47 AM

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There's a big difference between Krypton and Paper

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Paper patches vanilla, Krypton is made from scratch

cinder flare Mar 18, 2021, 8:48 AM

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So the real difference being that you can't use like any plugin on Krypton?

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At least it's in Kotlin though, that's kinda really nice

prisma wave Mar 18, 2021, 8:50 AM

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Sadly many grave mistakes were made when designing this project

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For example the use of kotlin

steel heart Mar 18, 2021, 8:51 AM

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should have used haskell

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duh

prisma wave Mar 18, 2021, 8:51 AM

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Obviously

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Haskell is actually pretty good in terms of performance