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prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:21 PM

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if you made sure to handle all of that it could be possible

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but it would be easier if we know an url will follow the maven repo specification

astral quiver Mar 9, 2021, 7:22 PM

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I was thinking in change dependencies.json to:

list of repositories
list of dependencies, their excludes, their relocation

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no transitive

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Maven Aether will do the resolution of the repository all in runtime

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:23 PM

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transitive is included to reduce lookup times at runtime

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but maybe aether will make that unnecessary

astral quiver Mar 9, 2021, 7:23 PM

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well this is not a issue for Maven Aether if I recall, it does resolution in parallel

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currently PDM does not and this is kinda really slow

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:24 PM

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pdm does

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i believe

astral quiver Mar 9, 2021, 7:24 PM

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some project of mine take 15m to complete download all dependencies

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in gradle, with no cache it is faster

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:25 PM

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oh it might not be parallel in the gradle plugin lol

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it definitely is at runtime

onyx loom Mar 9, 2021, 7:25 PM

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is there a way for me to remove !! (ij is complaining) im having small brain moment, but this shouldnt be null right?

astral quiver Mar 9, 2021, 7:25 PM

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prisma wave it definitely is at runtime

I'm talking about runtime

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:26 PM

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onyx loom is there a way for me to remove `!!` (ij is complaining) im having small brain m...

temporary variable for entity.killer

astral quiver Mar 9, 2021, 7:26 PM

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prisma wave temporary variable for `entity.killer`

^

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:26 PM

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astral quiver I'm talking about runtime

oh

onyx loom Mar 9, 2021, 7:26 PM

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still kinda yucky

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:26 PM

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meh

astral quiver Mar 9, 2021, 7:26 PM

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I think it is in Bukkript, because it have big libraries, like Maven Aether and Kotlin Compiler

onyx loom Mar 9, 2021, 7:27 PM

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ty 👍

astral quiver Mar 9, 2021, 7:27 PM

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so maybe your download implementation is not so fast?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:27 PM

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idk tbh

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ive never profiled it

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it should be fine

obtuse gale Mar 9, 2021, 7:29 PM

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stackexchange "Hot Network Questions" be like

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:29 PM

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that is incredibly specific lmao

onyx loom Mar 9, 2021, 7:30 PM

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i think he got it in him 👍

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:31 PM

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onyx loom Mar 9, 2021, 7:32 PM

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fuck

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 7:33 PM

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cancelled

onyx loom Mar 9, 2021, 7:34 PM

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please dont 😩

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:34 PM

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no mercy

onyx loom Mar 9, 2021, 7:34 PM

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oh no!

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:35 PM

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prisma wave

Did she just assume her own gender!!

oak raft Mar 9, 2021, 7:35 PM

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no way 😮

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 7:36 PM

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sigh

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:37 PM

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based

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 7:37 PM

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HelpChat is getting better at comedy and it intimidates the 0xers

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:37 PM

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lmaoo

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:38 PM

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0xers?

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Whats that?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:38 PM

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opposite of 10xers

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:38 PM

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um.. whats a 10xer?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:38 PM

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A particularly talented and productive engineer, thought to be capable of doing the work of ten typical engineers.

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in other words

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a haskell programmer

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:39 PM

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oh

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xD

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:39 PM

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who also knows go and rust and blockchain

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:39 PM

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lol

stuck harbor Mar 9, 2021, 7:39 PM

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haha

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blockchain

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funny

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the universe is a blockchain

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 7:39 PM

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this is not very webscale of you to say

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:40 PM

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oh also, thinking about PDM, BM

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:40 PM

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ok 🙂

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:40 PM

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couldn't you just use jar in jar like LP does?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:40 PM

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maybe

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:41 PM

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I mean, nobody would really notice a difference, since it'd just be like a normal jar

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just that jar would contain the actual jar and some other stuff

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:41 PM

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i will admit i know basically nothing about how lp does it

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:42 PM

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LP has a bootstrap that, well, bootstraps the plugin

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so I think Bukkit loads the bootstrap and the bootstrap loads the plugin

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or something like that

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:42 PM

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oh so you can use your own classloader?

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:42 PM

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yep

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:42 PM

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sounds simple enough

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:43 PM

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he says xD

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also, what's Kotlin's answer to Java 16 btw?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:43 PM

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nothing

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?

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:43 PM

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actually strong encapsulation on JDK internals only applies to runtime access

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and Kotlin/JVM doesn't have its own runtime, since the runtime is the JVM

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also, on the command thingys, would events be the only way to ensure thread safety on command handling?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:45 PM

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not necessarily

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but event driven works pretty well with multithreaded stuff

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:45 PM

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I mean, I'm really not sure about event-driven commands tbh

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obviously the events will use coroutines and flows to better make use of concurrency, but commands will just be called internally

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:46 PM

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You can have functions to wrap the event and filter it through to make it work similar to "registered" commands

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:46 PM

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yeah

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:46 PM

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old wyvern You can have functions to wrap the event and filter it through to make it work s...

wat

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example pls

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oh also, btw, how should I actually implement event handling btw?

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just listen<CommandEvent> {}?

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or onEvent?

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or just on<CommandEvent>?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:48 PM

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event<T> returning a Flow<T>

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or a different name

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but

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Flow good

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:48 PM

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watched a video about flows last night

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they seem pretty cool

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:48 PM

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jda kt uses on

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mhm

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:49 PM

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ah right, so a Flow is basically an asynchronous List

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:49 PM

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uh

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more like a Sequence

astral quiver Mar 9, 2021, 7:49 PM

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Use SharedFlow

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:49 PM

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but not really like either

astral quiver Mar 9, 2021, 7:50 PM

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To publish events

obtuse gale Mar 9, 2021, 7:50 PM

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prisma wave oh so you can use your own classloader?

it does have a caveat tho

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the LP API is not part of the jar-in-jar, it's part of the bootstrap plugin jar, so other plugins can access it

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:51 PM

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ah.

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yes

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that could be an issue

obtuse gale Mar 9, 2021, 7:51 PM

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so maybe with a gradle plugin you can make things like an @Api annotation for classes that wouldn't be bootstrapped

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idk

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just a thought

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:51 PM

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perhaps yeah

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:51 PM

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jovial warren just `listen<CommandEvent> {}`?

fun onCommand(name: String, handler: (args: Array<String>) -> Boolean) = listen<CommandEvent>() { ... } // call handler at some point

onCommand("test") { args ->

}

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:52 PM

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reactive tho

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:52 PM

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that's not bad

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also, what would I actually do for the event function? ```kotlin
inline fun <reified T : Event> on(consumer: T.() -> Unit) {

}

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or listen

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or whatever lol

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:53 PM

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meh

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whatever

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:53 PM

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also, T.() -> Unit should work right?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:54 PM

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eww flow pls

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:54 PM

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since then that'll give me some thingys

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Flow<T>.() -> Unit?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:54 PM

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on can be that but have listen<T> that returns a Flow<T>

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:55 PM

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or maybe just ```kotlin
inline fun <reified T : Event> listen(consumer: T.() -> Unit): Flow<T>

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:55 PM

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you dont need a consumer and a flow

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:55 PM

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is that what you're on about?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:55 PM

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that doesnt make sense

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:55 PM

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so what do I need then?

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just a flow?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:55 PM

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yes

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 7:56 PM

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old wyvern ```kt fun onCommand(name: String, handler: (args: Array<String>) -> Boolean) = l...

YUGI
r u there

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:56 PM

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I kinda wanna call this like ```kotlin
listen<CommandEvent> {
sender.sendMessage(Component.text("Hello there!"))
}

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:56 PM

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half harness YUGI r u there

?

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 7:56 PM

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old wyvern ?

ur awake

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Yugi are you okay, are you okay Yugi

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Kinda

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xD

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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or one better, for commands, ```kotlin
onCommand("hello") {
sender.sendMessage(Component.text("Hello there!"))
}

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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old wyvern Kinda

UH

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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ocean quartz Yugi are you okay, are you okay Yugi

Maybe im not

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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can u last 30 more mins

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yugi

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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uhm

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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listen<CommandEvent>().collect {
    print(event)
}

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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That's a lot of time to last, most men don't last that long

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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use on as a syntax sugar for collect maybe

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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old wyvern uhm

plz

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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prisma wave use `on` as a syntax sugar for collect maybe

u wot m8

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tf is syntax sugar

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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ocean quartz That's a lot of time to last, most men don't last that long

😮

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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😮

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:58 PM

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jovial warren tf is syntax sugar

?

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 7:58 PM

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i believe in you Yugi

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you

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can

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:58 PM

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How many seconds matt xD

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 7:58 PM

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do

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it

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 7:58 PM

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A convenience function

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:58 PM

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ah right, that's what it is

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oh the wonders of Wikipedia lol

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 7:58 PM

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old wyvern How many seconds matt xD

Gotta speed run it, any%

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 7:58 PM

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xD

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 7:59 PM

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what is any%

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 7:59 PM

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anyway, so you mean ```kotlin
inline fun <reified T : Event> on(): SomeCollectionFlowOrWhatever<T>

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 7:59 PM

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half harness what is any%

A category in speedrunning which pertains to the goal of a game's mere completion, i.e. getting to the main concluding goal as quickly as possible, regardless of how much is unlocked.

onyx loom Mar 9, 2021, 8:00 PM

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ocean quartz Gotta speed run it, any%

whats ur pb

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 8:01 PM

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Not sure, need to check

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:03 PM

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jovial warren anyway, so you mean ```kotlin inline fun <reified T : Event> on(): SomeCollectio...

on <T> consumer = listen<T>.collect(consumer)

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:03 PM

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prisma wave on <T> consumer = listen<T>.collect(consumer)

wait you can do that?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:03 PM

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?

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do what

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:03 PM

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actually nvm, I dum dum

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right, ```kotlin
inline fun <reified T : Event> listen(): Flow<T>

inline fun <reified T : Event> on(consumer: T.() -> Unit) = listen<T>().collect(consumer)

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:04 PM

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yeah should work

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 8:05 PM

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probably wont

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:05 PM

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😦

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 8:05 PM

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unless they changed inline semantics

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:05 PM

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also, how am I even going to do that?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:05 PM

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what about them?

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:05 PM

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like what do I put in the {} thingys?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:05 PM

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huh?

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:05 PM

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how should I do event handling?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:05 PM

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event bus i guess

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 8:05 PM

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prisma wave what about them?

inline fun <reified T : Event> on(consumer: T.() -> Unit) = listen<T>().collect { it.consumer() }

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:05 PM

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how dis work

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:06 PM

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maybe SharedFlow

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:06 PM

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lunar cypress ```kotlin inline fun <reified T : Event> on(consumer: T.() -> Unit) = listen<T>(...

oh yeah right

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unless you just use a normal function instead of a receiver

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 8:06 PM

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just a question of style but as a side note I would probably pass events as the first param rather than the receiver

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 8:06 PM

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prisma wave unless you just use a normal function instead of a receiver

even then

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:07 PM

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lunar cypress just a question of style but as a side note I would probably pass events as the ...

why?

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 8:07 PM

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I stand corrected

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:07 PM

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reified good

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:08 PM

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lunar cypress just a question of style but as a side note I would probably pass events as the ...

huh?

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:08 PM

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also, teach me the event bus ways pls senpai @prisma wave

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:08 PM

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idk

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 8:08 PM

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jovial warren why?

because of consistency with other apis and because I think the receiver should be reserved for things that are immediately connected to the function

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:09 PM

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prisma wave huh?

oh right

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 8:09 PM

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event.executeListener() just doesn't make sense to me

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:11 PM

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so ```kotlin
on(CommandEvent) {
sender.sendMessage(Component.text("Hello there!"))
}

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right @lunar cypress?

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 8:15 PM

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still receiver

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:16 PM

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so what should it be then?

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 8:16 PM

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(T) -> Unit

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:16 PM

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ah right

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oh so it can still be reified then, just not receiver

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 8:17 PM

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sure it can still be reified

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:17 PM

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inline fun <reified T : Event> on(consumer: (T) -> Unit)

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right?

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 8:18 PM

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right

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:20 PM

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trying to resist the urge to make a hillarious comment rn

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:20 PM

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https://tenor.com/ta7T.gif

Tenor

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:23 PM

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uhh f# good kotlin bad

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nice

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 8:24 PM

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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:24 PM

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me 🤣

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#showcase message

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oh wow it's still here

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 8:24 PM

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lol

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very surprising

frigid badge Mar 9, 2021, 8:25 PM

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you guys truly are unique

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:25 PM

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thanks

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we are free thinkers

frigid badge Mar 9, 2021, 8:25 PM

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I wonder where everyone will be at in 10 years

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:26 PM

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dead

frigid badge Mar 9, 2021, 8:26 PM

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lmao

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:27 PM

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or just severely burnt out in some underpaid office job

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"remember when we all said kotlin was good and java was bad? those were the good old days"

stuck harbor Mar 9, 2021, 8:28 PM

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lol

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sadgely true

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:29 PM

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"and when we OWNED the mods by posting funnies in #816184744797929522"

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:29 PM

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prisma wave uhh f# good kotlin bad

-_-

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:29 PM

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what?

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:29 PM

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anyway, teach me the event bus ways pls senpai

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:29 PM

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i already said idk

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i have no idea how to make one

stuck harbor Mar 9, 2021, 8:29 PM

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event bus?

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:29 PM

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someone pls teach me the event bus ways

stuck harbor Mar 9, 2021, 8:29 PM

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ughhh ffs now bm is changing von neumann

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:30 PM

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google 🙂

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:30 PM

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stuck harbor ughhh ffs now bm is changing von neumann

obviously

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we need a new architecture

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that only supports functions

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no data

stuck harbor Mar 9, 2021, 8:30 PM

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lol

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:30 PM

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maybe I should use Guava as a reference for my event bus

stuck harbor Mar 9, 2021, 8:30 PM

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delete data bus

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 8:30 PM

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copies guava

stuck harbor Mar 9, 2021, 8:30 PM

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only control and adress

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:31 PM

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stuck harbor only control and adress

still too impure

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we need something that will guarantee 0 state

stuck harbor Mar 9, 2021, 8:31 PM

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wh

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delete every bus

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no transfer needed

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:31 PM

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imagine if you could curry assembly instructions 😮 😮 😄

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wait no

stuck harbor Mar 9, 2021, 8:32 PM

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lol

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:32 PM

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assembly would just be the lambda calculus

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 8:32 PM

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prisma wave imagine if you could curry assembly instructions 😮 😮 😄

That would be delicious

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:32 PM

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ikr

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and just remember that functional programming invented curry!!

stuck harbor Mar 9, 2021, 8:33 PM

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damn

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we are going full gen z programming now

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not that I'm complaining

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:33 PM

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no self awareness please

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this is #dev-general

stuck harbor Mar 9, 2021, 8:33 PM

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right you are

obtuse gale Mar 9, 2021, 8:38 PM

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prisma wave this is <#695431668944732270>

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:38 PM

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i HATE people that want configuration help

old wyvern Mar 9, 2021, 8:43 PM

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prisma wave and just remember that functional programming invented curry!!

Haskell Curry fingerguns

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:43 PM

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yep

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he invented haskell and then went on to invent curry too

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so talented

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Big sad, so much for 100% interop!

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:45 PM

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i wonder what the reason for that is

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i guess names can sometimes be erased in java

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Yeah parameter names get erased in java, they become arg1, arg2, etc, unless you add a compiler flag to keep it

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:47 PM

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i guess thats why then

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 8:49 PM

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what should i name the class?

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Which class?

obtuse gale Mar 9, 2021, 8:49 PM

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make it a top level function

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and period

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 8:49 PM

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the class that code is in

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okay

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what should i name the file

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before it was ConfigUtils

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but i think thats a bad name for it

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lol

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 8:50 PM

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We told you this so many times you don't put it on a class
Name it something that describes the functions inside
For example Strings.kt or Numbers.kt

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 8:50 PM

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ye i know, but idk what to name this

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Lists.kt seems strange
so im asking for ur opinions

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 8:51 PM

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For example I have one called Adventure.kt where I have many adventure related extensions

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 8:51 PM

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and is extension a good package name?

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 8:51 PM

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If you want a generic one to throw everything in it maybe call it Declarations or Functions

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 8:51 PM

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ok

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:56 PM

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ocean quartz We told you this so many times you don't put it on a class Name it something tha...

😅

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 8:56 PM

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prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 8:57 PM

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the docs may or may not say not to do that

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lol

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 8:57 PM

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FileContainingGetMapFromIpAndPorts.kt

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 8:57 PM

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😮

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 8:57 PM

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surreal quarry FileContainingGetMapFromIpAndPorts.kt

lol

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 8:57 PM

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not a joke

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thanks

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 8:57 PM

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wait

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should I do List#getMapFromIpAndPorts or List#mapFromIpAndPorts?

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 8:58 PM

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prisma wave 😅

Where?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:00 PM

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https://kotlinlang.org/docs/coding-conventions.html#source-file-organization

Kotlin Help

Coding conventions - Help | Kotlin

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In particular, when defining extension functions for a class which are relevant for all clients of this class, put them in the same file with the class itself. When defining extension functions that make sense only for a specific client, put them next to the code of that client. Avoid creating files just to hold all extensions of some class.

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although as I said earlier, that might only apply to classes that you can actually control

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 9:01 PM

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Well I'd say that is only if that function only applies to a specific class, since those are supposed to be global i don't think it'd be like that

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:02 PM

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yeah im not sure what you'd do there

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i guess you might make the file a bit more generic

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 9:02 PM

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https://github.com/ktorio/ktor/blob/master/ktor-server/ktor-server-core/jvm/src/io/ktor/util/Paths.kt

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An example

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Formatting.kt instead of Strings.kt to hold functions related to formatting and printing or something

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lol

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classic

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ignoring their own conventions

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Yup xD

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:03 PM

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oh actually i guess that's slightly different

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:03 PM

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fun sendMessageToMinecraft(plugin: SomePlugin, message: String, tag: String) { should I do
SomePlugin#sendMessageToMinecraft or
String#sendMessageToMinecraft?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:03 PM

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it's not all extensions of Path

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:04 PM

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i would extend SomePlugin

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 9:04 PM

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Well, this one is https://github.com/ktorio/ktor/blob/master/ktor-server/ktor-server-core/jvm/src/io/ktor/util/Parameters.kt

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 9:04 PM

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half harness `fun sendMessageToMinecraft(plugin: SomePlugin, message: String, tag: String) {`...

Definitely plugin yeah

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:04 PM

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lmao

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:04 PM

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alr

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ahhh i have so much code

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that i have to change

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hiuashdisadhiuashdjanskd

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:05 PM

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lol

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its good

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you will learn a lot in the process

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:06 PM

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wait

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curious question

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could I access private fields with extension functions?

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or public only?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:06 PM

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nope

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:06 PM

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rip

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lol

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:06 PM

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theyre not actual methods

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just syntax sugar

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:07 PM

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i have like 8 classes that have to be changed from utils to extension functions

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:07 PM

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oh hey, was just having a talk about this, and it made me think: if commands are event-based using a pub/sub event bus, how would I handle precedence if two plugins have the same command with the same name?

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:07 PM

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and like a whole bunch of other classes that i have to change its usages

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😫

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Also, didn't like doing unit tests before, but damn it's actually so nice to do it, you create the supposed occurrence once and if you need to test later you already have it
I used to have to rewrite the test class all the time to try different things to find issues
Now it's all organized 🥺

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:07 PM

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unit testing is amazing

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:08 PM

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what the

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my intellij

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why is it 8 spacing

#

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:08 PM

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jovial warren oh hey, was just having a talk about this, and it made me think: if commands are...

whichever is registered first

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whichever plugin

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or have you moved away from registering plugins entirely

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actually that wouldn't work, at least not easily

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probably just let them both do their thing fingerguns

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:09 PM

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surreal quarry whichever is registered first

commands are events

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:09 PM

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oh that is a good point actually

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:09 PM

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event priority

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:09 PM

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you need the stupid tab complete packet

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:09 PM

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?

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:09 PM

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prisma wave you need the stupid tab complete packet

an even better point

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maybe we should just go back to the old method

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object MyCommand : Command(name, permission, aliases) {

    override fun execute(sender: Sender, args: List<String>) {
        // do some whack
    }
}

class MyPlugin(context: PluginContext) : Plugin(context) {

    init {
        registerCommand(MyCommand)
    }
}

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:11 PM

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yea event based commands might not be the best

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:11 PM

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oof i already changed 21 files while refactoring

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:11 PM

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good

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:11 PM

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this is tiring

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:11 PM

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dkim that's normal lol

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:11 PM

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i have like a billion errors

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:12 PM

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great

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fix them

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:12 PM

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if you didn't change that many files while refactoring then I would be a bit concerned

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:12 PM

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😭

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:12 PM

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doge_ahaha

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:12 PM

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stop complaining lol

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:12 PM

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^

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you're starting to sound British

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:12 PM

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looks cool

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:12 PM

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🥲

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:12 PM

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loll

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:12 PM

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if you want something to complain about then convert to clojure

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:12 PM

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no

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thanks

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:12 PM

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why not

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:13 PM

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convert to Kotlin

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actually you've already done that

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:13 PM

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jovial warren convert to Kotlin

wot

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im using kotlin

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😛

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:14 PM

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oh btw, how should I actually do the command registration?

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should it be handled centrally?

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:14 PM

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why

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jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:14 PM

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a.k.a by the server

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:14 PM

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half harness

why you blanking shit smh

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:14 PM

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jovial warren why you blanking shit smh

i mean i dont have to

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but its server name

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:14 PM

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show

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:14 PM

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lol

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:14 PM

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._.

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ok

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:14 PM

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https://tenor.com/ta7T.gif

Tenor

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:15 PM

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liskov

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:15 PM

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fixed

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it was wrapped around class {}

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:15 PM

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show name anyway

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:15 PM

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liskov?

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:15 PM

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i have some plans

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🙂

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:15 PM

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substitution principle

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:15 PM

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surreal quarry i have some plans

um

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n-no thanks

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:15 PM

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yes

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:16 PM

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prisma wave substitution principle

yeah ik, what is that again?

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:16 PM

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isn't it like use List<T> instead of ArrayList<T> as your type

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basically

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:16 PM

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use most abstract type that still keeps needed contracts

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:16 PM

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is this bad?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:16 PM

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what

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the

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:16 PM

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Yes

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:16 PM

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fuck

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:16 PM

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lol

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 9:16 PM

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u dont need in a class

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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er...

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what

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the

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fuck

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private key

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plain text

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in plugin

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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pog

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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winter iron u dont need in a class

i dont want it to be like PUBLIC_KEY i want it to be Something.PUBLIC_KEY

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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that raises so many questions

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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send me

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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this is hideous

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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https://tenor.com/LgPu.gif

Tenor

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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jovial warren plain text

I-

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don't worry

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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name it SOMETHING_PUBLIC_KEY

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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it's called a private key for a reason GOD DAMN IT DKIM

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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half harness i dont want it to be like `PUBLIC_KEY` i want it to be `Something.PUBLIC_KEY`

object Constants {}```

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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oh

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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but

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stop sharing your private key with uus

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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ok

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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LOL

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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bruh

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:17 PM

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OMFG

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:18 PM

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-_-

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:18 PM

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did you just say Y???????????

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:18 PM

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private key

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 9:18 PM

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bro i swear, im gonna kick my fucking monitor, everytime i shift enter it closes discord

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:18 PM

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PRIVATE key

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:18 PM

#

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:18 PM

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jesus christ

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 9:18 PM

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-_-

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:18 PM

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storing that in plain text IN the plugin is also probably an extremely bad idea

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:18 PM

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surreal quarry

smh

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:18 PM

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environment variables 🥲
config file 🥲

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:19 PM

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prisma wave storing that in plain text IN the plugin is also probably an extremely bad idea

but

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then where do i store it

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 9:19 PM

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config file

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:19 PM

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but I'll need that key

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:19 PM

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surreal quarry environment variables 🥲 config file 🥲

^

onyx loom Mar 9, 2021, 9:19 PM

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not in the plugin

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 9:19 PM

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so its not distributed to everyone

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:19 PM

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winter iron so its not distributed to everyone

but the plugin needs the key

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for it to work

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 9:19 PM

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u have licensing?

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:19 PM

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um

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no

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its a random string

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:19 PM

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what are you doing?

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:20 PM

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@prisma wave how should I store commands? map in the server like Bukkit does?

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:20 PM

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surreal quarry what are you doing?

passing data between servers

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:20 PM

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plugin messaging...

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:20 PM

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jovial warren <@!266973575225933824> how should I store commands? map in the server like Bukki...

eh i guess so

jovial warren Mar 9, 2021, 9:20 PM

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Map<String, Command>

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:20 PM

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surreal quarry plugin messaging...

that requires a player on each server

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:20 PM

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what data are you passing when players aren't on the server lol

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:20 PM

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console

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:21 PM

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what

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:21 PM

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join/leaves

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chat messages

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etc

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:21 PM

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that all happens when a player is on the server

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:21 PM

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not leaves

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just

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:21 PM

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quit event has a player

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it should work

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:22 PM

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anyways

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:28 PM

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anyways what

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:29 PM

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anyways, i'm gonna keep storing my private key in plain text inside the plugin

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:29 PM

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it's not a security vulnerability as long as nobody decompiles the plugin

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 9:30 PM

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sounds like a good chance to take

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:30 PM

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yeah pretty much 0 risk

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 9:33 PM

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unless you run into the same guy this morning who found out u can decompile jars for resources

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then u have an issue

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but until then

frail glade Mar 9, 2021, 9:34 PM

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O.o

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:38 PM

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prisma wave it's not a security vulnerability as long as nobody decompiles the plugin

what else could i do

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because I need the key

obtuse gale Mar 9, 2021, 9:39 PM

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Make it a config option

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:39 PM

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but then how will they get it?

obtuse gale Mar 9, 2021, 9:39 PM

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"they"?

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:39 PM

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since theres only 1 key

obtuse gale Mar 9, 2021, 9:39 PM

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Tell them to put it in the damn config

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idk

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:42 PM

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half harness what else could i do

put it in a pem file

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:42 PM

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pem?

obtuse gale Mar 9, 2021, 9:43 PM

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https://www.google.com/search?q=pem+file

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:43 PM

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yes, but they can still get the decoded key

lunar cypress Mar 9, 2021, 9:49 PM

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what is it that you're trying to do?

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 9:55 PM

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nvm

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 9:58 PM

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why do i get the suspicion that means you're just gonna ignore the issue

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:04 PM

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because

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no point in spending time fixing the issue

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for now

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 10:04 PM

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lol

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:04 PM

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why am I getting a billion build.gradle warnings 😭

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even after invaliding & restarting

#

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everything is yellow

old dune Mar 9, 2021, 10:06 PM

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anyone able to determine why my server randomly stops and restarts every hour or so?

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ive checked through logs and theres no error as to why the restart would be executed

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 10:07 PM

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check for a restart schedule thing

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assuming you host it at a hosting provider

old dune Mar 9, 2021, 10:07 PM

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checked through shockbyte and theres no restart timer

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used a region fixer for any corrupt chunks, and nothing found

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 10:09 PM

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half harness no point in spending time fixing the issue

tfw severe security vulnerability isn't worth your time

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:09 PM

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;-;

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it's private rn

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and closed source

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 10:10 PM

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Doesn't matter

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:10 PM

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it does

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it won't ever be public afaik

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but

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why is my whole build.gradle

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in YELLOW

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 10:10 PM

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Still doesn't matter

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:10 PM

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...

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:11 PM

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prisma wave Still doesn't matter

why does it not matter?

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 10:11 PM

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If that key is leaked you have no way of changing it

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:11 PM

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i do

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Anyone can just read it in plain text

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 10:11 PM

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half harness i do

What, building a new jar?

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So convenient

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:11 PM

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uhhhhhhhh

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it takes 2 seconds

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Ok

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Imagine a private key is like a bot token

#

Is hardcoding it a good idea?

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:11 PM

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no

prisma wave Mar 9, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Obviously not

#

Same principle applies here

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:12 PM

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uhh quick question

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how do i fix this

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 10:12 PM

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hit configure to the right

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:12 PM

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no configure button

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my intellij is dying

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😦

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 10:14 PM

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karma for avoiding security 🙂

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:15 PM

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;-;

winter iron Mar 9, 2021, 10:15 PM

#

L

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:15 PM

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..

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not very helpful

errant geyser Mar 9, 2021, 10:15 PM

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half harness uhh quick question

I had to delete .idea and invalidate and restart when mine suddenly kermitted sewerslide

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 10:16 PM

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oh

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thx ill try that 🙂

forest pecan Mar 9, 2021, 10:32 PM

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alright what the hell does this error mean

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Class 'kotlin.jvm.JvmStatic' is compiled by a pre-release version of Kotlin and cannot be loaded by this version of the compiler

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Which Kotlin version are you using?

forest pecan Mar 9, 2021, 10:34 PM

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the latest one

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like 5

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Thanks Kotlin 5

forest pecan Mar 9, 2021, 10:34 PM

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lmao

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Exact number please

forest pecan Mar 9, 2021, 10:34 PM

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ok let me check

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1.5.0-M1

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Don't use that one, it's unstable

forest pecan Mar 9, 2021, 10:35 PM

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oh

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which one is considered stable

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 10:35 PM

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1.4.31

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Also why you even using JvmStatic? thonking

forest pecan Mar 9, 2021, 10:35 PM

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it was conversion

onyx loom Mar 9, 2021, 10:35 PM

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with(plugin.config) {
  getString("blah")
  getString("blah")
}

or

  config.getString("blah")
  config.getString("blah")```
🤔, i kinda like with()

forest pecan Mar 9, 2021, 10:35 PM

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and it was a main class

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i just found out i dont need it anyways

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 10:35 PM

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onyx loom ```kt with(plugin.config) { getString("blah") getString("blah") } ``` or ```...

First

forest pecan Mar 9, 2021, 10:36 PM

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cause i can just define the function directly without the header

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i originally had object

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i didnt need it

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Yeah you don't need it, just fun main() {}

forest pecan Mar 9, 2021, 10:36 PM

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after removing it, i dont seem to need it anyways

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yea

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is 1.4.31

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fine

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Screen_Shot_2021-03-09_at_5.45.23_PM.png

surreal quarry Mar 9, 2021, 10:46 PM

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yea i believe thats the latest

forest pecan Mar 9, 2021, 10:46 PM

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thank you intellij

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very useful

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now i understand why you get these types of shit

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lol

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oh i fixed it

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its the null things with the question marks

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 11:52 PM

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um

#

what do i do

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if mc is stuck on the page

#

where its like joining the server

#

but its empty

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no text

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no buttons

ocean quartz Mar 9, 2021, 11:52 PM

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Alt + F4

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 11:53 PM

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ok

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rip

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my server is also dying

onyx loom Mar 9, 2021, 11:55 PM

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every day ur complaining about ur pc

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and everyday i will reply saying get a better pc 🙂

half harness Mar 9, 2021, 11:55 PM

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ok my mc is back up

hot heron Mar 10, 2021, 12:14 AM

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Anyone used Open Policy Agent (OPA) / rego before?

eternal compass Mar 10, 2021, 12:43 AM

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onyx loom and everyday i will reply saying get a better pc 🙂

I wish it was that simple lol

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but theres this thing in the world called Money

onyx loom Mar 10, 2021, 12:43 AM

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never heard of it

eternal compass Mar 10, 2021, 12:43 AM

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really?

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could you do something for me

ocean quartz Mar 10, 2021, 12:44 AM

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/s

eternal compass Mar 10, 2021, 12:44 AM

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search up this thing called "My Bank Account" and find your user and pass, and uh DM it to me

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:D

potent python Mar 10, 2021, 1:38 AM

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who can help me to install MySQL?
in my Host Dedicate ubuntu 16.04

surreal quarry Mar 10, 2021, 2:11 AM

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use docker

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https://hub.docker.com/_/mysql its very easy with this

oblique heath Mar 10, 2021, 4:23 AM

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what is my best choice as far as maintaining an SQL connection when i'm not making a lot of requests

ocean quartz Mar 10, 2021, 4:24 AM

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Connection pooling

oblique heath Mar 10, 2021, 4:27 AM

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alright fair enough

#

is there a lower limit to how few requests being made that would justify not using connection pooling?

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or would i just always use it

#

and then which package should i use 0.0 there's a million of them out there, does it matter which i pick?

ocean quartz Mar 10, 2021, 4:39 AM

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I'd say always use it
And wdym which package?

obtuse gale Mar 10, 2021, 4:39 AM

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I know this place is English speaking
But is there a DEV that can speak Spanish?
I pay

oblique heath Mar 10, 2021, 4:45 AM

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ocean quartz I'd say always use it And wdym which package?

i guess i mean which software to use for pooling

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like BoneCP, c3po, HikariCP etc.

ocean quartz Mar 10, 2021, 4:46 AM

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HikariCP is my choice

oblique heath Mar 10, 2021, 4:48 AM

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nice, thats what i figured as well

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thank you Matt 🙂

oblique heath Mar 10, 2021, 5:35 AM

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on a separate note, does anybody know of a decent solution to running some potentially long events on onDisable()

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i'd like to do some nonspecific network stuff just before a server goes down

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 5:40 AM

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Just run it, sync ofc

oblique heath Mar 10, 2021, 5:53 AM

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~~it doesnt want to work for me 😦~~ ~~i may be an idiot~~ i AM an idiot, thank you frosty ❤️

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 7:24 AM

#

What would be a good location builder from a string, would something like
x:<coord> y:<coord> z:<coord> be good or anyone got any better suggestions?

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 7:30 AM

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looks fine

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 7:41 AM

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hot hull What would be a good location builder from a string, would something like `x:<co...

{"x": 1, "y": 1, "z": 1} xD

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 7:42 AM

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oh god

#

This is what the current arena config looks like https://paste.helpch.at/obokocuwig.http

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Pretty nice if I do say so myself

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 8:17 AM

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Or you could store coordinates how the protocol does, in a long with the X packed into the most significant 26 bits, the Y in the middle 12 bits and the Z in the least significant 26 bits lol

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 8:40 AM

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It's user configuration, I will legit shoot you Bardy

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 8:40 AM

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Lol

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 8:40 AM

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{:x 10 :y 64 :z 15}

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 8:40 AM

#

^

distant sun Mar 10, 2021, 8:41 AM

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10:x

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 8:42 AM

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hot hull It's user configuration, I will legit shoot you Bardy

Try me https://tenor.com/4IMq.gif

Tenor

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 8:43 AM

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jovial warren ^

clojuremoon

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 8:47 AM

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Also, thinking about event handling btw, I kinda want a way that events can be handled outside of the init block of the plugin

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 8:49 AM

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How are they currently handled?

obtuse gale Mar 10, 2021, 8:57 AM

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not good

#

really bad

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 8:57 AM

#

class MyPlugin(context: PluginContext) : Plugin(context) {

    init {
        on<Event> {
            // do some whack
        }
    }
}

obtuse gale Mar 10, 2021, 8:57 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/dog-great-job-poop-gif-10385358

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https://tenor.com/view/diarrhea-yikes-poop-gif-16674264

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poooo

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 9:02 AM

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jovial warren ```kotlin class MyPlugin(context: PluginContext) : Plugin(context) { init {...

ew

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 9:07 AM

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obtuse gale https://tenor.com/view/diarrhea-yikes-poop-gif-16674264

Thanks for the input

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 9:07 AM

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what’s so ew Frosty

obtuse gale Mar 10, 2021, 9:07 AM

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prisma wave Thanks for the input

np

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 9:13 AM

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not a fan of that init block

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 9:20 AM

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fair

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what would one prefer?

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 9:35 AM

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not sure

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I mean I quite like the current way, but that's just cause I'm used to it

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 10:46 AM

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If I was going to make it a function, it would be initialize, not onEnable

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And shutting down will be an event

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 11:11 AM

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enable, disable

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and perhaps reload if you were to introduce some default shit for reloading

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 11:47 AM

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plugins won’t be reloadable very easily

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well, you can reload confíes, but that’s your lot

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also, the startup states are different from Bukkit

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that’s why the function would be initialise, not enable

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things like plugman would require depending on the server and reflectively calling functions from the internal plugin manager

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I want to very strongly discourage plugins being able to enable and disable other plugins

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 11:57 AM

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plugman should never exist.

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 11:59 AM

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why won't plugins be reloadable easily?

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reloading is a key component on any production system, you should be making it as easy as possible

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well actually I know fuck all about production and that sentence is probably wrong

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but it's still useful

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 12:03 PM

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reloading would be nice, but certainly not how plugman does it

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 12:03 PM

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Have an in-built accessible plugin manager

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maybe even something like a "package manager"

frigid badge Mar 10, 2021, 12:16 PM

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do reloading like sponge does

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have an event which gets handled by plugins

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 12:17 PM

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does sponge handle the actual jar change or is it completely up to plugins?

frigid badge Mar 10, 2021, 12:17 PM

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completely up to plugins

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afaik

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just an event

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 12:23 PM

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concept I had in mind would be to have plugins in their own classloader. That classloader has the krypton classloader as a parent, along with the classloaders of any of its dependencies (although you'd have to create some sort of shallow classloader implementation here, as we don't want the krypton classloader from dependency x, although considering there is only one krypton classloader, perhaps it wouldn't be an issue). On plugin reload, you tell the plugin to unregister itself from its dependencies (i.e. through such an event that lemmo mentioned). Upon its success, you unregister it from krypton itself then close the classloader and initialize a new one with the updated jar.

forest pecan Mar 10, 2021, 1:20 PM

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open the url classloader 🙂

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 1:33 PM

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quiet depot why won't plugins be reloadable easily?

True

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 1:34 PM

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forest pecan open the url classloader 🙂

wym?

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 1:35 PM

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/reload won't exist btw because of how whacky it is

forest pecan Mar 10, 2021, 1:35 PM

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quiet depot wym?

you know for pdm

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and the url classloader thing

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that doesn't work for java 16

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 1:36 PM

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Allow it per plugin

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There shouldnt be much of an issue if you can clean up properly

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 1:36 PM

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pulse that makes it impossible to reliably reload

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not a good solution

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 1:37 PM

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Having each plugin have it's own class loader might get a bit whack though

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 1:38 PM

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how?

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:43 PM

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Does anyone know what you usually do when you have a premium resource that you don't want to maintain anymore? Like how do I find someone to take over for example

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 1:44 PM

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quiet depot how?

Idk, just annoying to keep track of I guess

forest pecan Mar 10, 2021, 1:44 PM

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open source it

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Open sauce

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:44 PM

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It's already open source

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Just remove price tag

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Or just wait for them to move it to inactive

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Yea but then I'll still have to maintain it / fix people's errors etc? Like I keep getting feature requests that I just can't be arsed to do

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:45 PM

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Nah just ignore

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 1:45 PM

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disable purchases

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 1:45 PM

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Post in #816184747024711693 or #816184744797929522 ?

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Didn't know you could disable purchases tbh. Okay, think I'm going to put it in request paid and then if noone picks it up I'll do what you said frosty and just ignore everything lol

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 1:46 PM

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lol

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:46 PM

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but make it free ofc

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 1:46 PM

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link to plugin har

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:46 PM

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https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/mailme-the-ultimate-mail-system.76442/

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Like I structured the code like an idiot and databases etc so it takes way longer than it should to fix or add things. I just cba to work on it and I don't really have time

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:48 PM

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lazy man

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:48 PM

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aha pretty much

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:48 PM

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man if i was good enough to make premium plugins

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that would be funny

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:48 PM

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iwanio it takes no skill to make premium plugins

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:49 PM

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well to make good ones

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:49 PM

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90% of them are a fucking disaster code wise

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Yea i mean look at the code of that one i just posted lmfao

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:49 PM

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well my code is klean

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cause clojure

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😉

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:49 PM

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It's just the idea and features that count

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:50 PM

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man i gotta set up clojars

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:51 PM

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aight barry doesn't like my "budget"

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:52 PM

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what language is it in?

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:52 PM

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brainfuck

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:52 PM

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Java

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:52 PM

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🤢

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 1:53 PM

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somber tulip aight barry doesn't like my "budget"

What is your budget?

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Dammit keyboard

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:53 PM

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a premium plugin thats open source?

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:53 PM

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Well, it's not a numerical value really. It's whatever the person makes from sales technically

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:53 PM

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60 pesos

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:53 PM

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i am confusion

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:54 PM

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Freemium iwanio

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:54 PM

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cooolio

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:54 PM

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It just gets leaked anyway iwanio

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:54 PM

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meh good point

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might as well control the source urself

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:54 PM

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yeah exactly, I usually just keep it a version or two behind latest

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:54 PM

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mm fair

unreal briar Mar 10, 2021, 1:54 PM

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All popular plugins get leaked in days anyway

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:55 PM

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yeah

unreal briar Mar 10, 2021, 1:55 PM

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People cry about leaking impacting sales and whatnot

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never happened to me

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:55 PM

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lol

unreal briar Mar 10, 2021, 1:55 PM

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and i'm having thousands of downloads from leak sites

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:55 PM

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To be fair, I was getting like 5+ sales a day at one point and then it got leaked and it slowed to 1 every few days

unreal briar Mar 10, 2021, 1:55 PM

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If people go to those sites they weren't going to buy the plugin anyways

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:55 PM

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they were never a potential customer so why bother yourself with that

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:55 PM

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lol thats a point

ocean quartz Mar 10, 2021, 1:56 PM

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People that get their plugins from leak websites wouldn't buy your plugin anyways

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:56 PM

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Matt

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You gonna consider brigadier in mf cmds

ocean quartz Mar 10, 2021, 1:57 PM

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Frosty that was already on the board i sent you even before you opened the issue xD

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:57 PM

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I didn't look at the board

ocean quartz Mar 10, 2021, 1:57 PM

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Smh

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 1:57 PM

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mf-cmd 2 when?

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:57 PM

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mf cmd 2 electric boogaloo

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Is annotating a param with @obtuse galeable gonna make it be able to be null, or will the manager yell at me

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 1:58 PM

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mf-2: The Brigadier

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:58 PM

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wow frosty

ocean quartz Mar 10, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Working on it, figuring abstraction is pretty rough

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:58 PM

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rude

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Your fault for having such a shit name, not sorry for the ping

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 1:58 PM

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haha

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 1:58 PM

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hot hull Is annotating a param with <@456226577798135808>able gonna make it be able to be...

Which manager?

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oh wait nvm

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got it

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Yea

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 1:59 PM

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Wait how do I disable purchases?

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:00 PM

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🤷

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settings?

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:00 PM

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🤷‍♂️

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:00 PM

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bloody spigot

somber tulip Mar 10, 2021, 2:00 PM

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I can't see an option anywhere .-.

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:00 PM

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hopefully paper's hangar gets popular

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:00 PM

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hopefully

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:00 PM

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then md_5 can go sadge in a corner

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:00 PM

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open sauce everything, would be nice

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:01 PM

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mmm yes

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open sauce

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:01 PM

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Dont think md would really care

ocean quartz Mar 10, 2021, 2:01 PM

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stuck harbor hopefully paper's hangar gets popular

Unfortunately don't think it'll because of the decision to not have premium plugins

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:01 PM

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meh

distant sun Mar 10, 2021, 2:01 PM

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^

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:01 PM

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I mean they could still setup some kind of donations

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:01 PM

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donations are a lot less used tho

ocean quartz Mar 10, 2021, 2:01 PM

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Like people donate

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Well yea, but still

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:02 PM

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OnlyFans.hanger.org

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:02 PM

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:kek:

ocean quartz Mar 10, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Hell yeah

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:02 PM

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twerk at your customers

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!

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Just throw your OF link on the plugin page

distant sun Mar 10, 2021, 2:02 PM

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ocean quartz Like people donate

+1

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:18 PM

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ocean quartz Unfortunately don't think it'll because of the decision to not have premium plug...

That's a very very very very very very very very very very very very good thing, but yeah, some developers might not like that

onyx loom Mar 10, 2021, 2:18 PM

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hey are we getting placeholderapi for krypton

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🙂

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Bardy

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we don't give two fucks about the devs who are in it for the money

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Their plugins are shit anyways, cough vk

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:19 PM

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lol

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:19 PM

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If Piggy makes PAPI 3 in a way that I can create an implementation with no issues then yes Kaliber

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:19 PM

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when ur docs are worse than nms

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:19 PM

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hot hull we don't give two fucks about the devs who are in it for the money

Wait a minute, dont you do a lot of commisions

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Yugi, most of the time I'm either underpaid or it's free

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So I'm about to smack you

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Eh

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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bardy

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that'll 100% be possible

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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You made almost $1k last year right?

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Yea

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Then there's your answer kali

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Seems you got paid enough

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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oh my

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£1k

onyx loom Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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pog

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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thats like

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Well not really lol

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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a day's rent

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jesus

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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How many did you do?

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Complaining about $1000 in a year smh

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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I wish I tracked how many hours I spent

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:21 PM

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when people admire making less than minimum wage

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just make a steam game

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ffs

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easy money

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Actually I make £20 a week in pocket money for doing fuck all so I can't say shit

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:21 PM

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smh

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:21 PM

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jovial warren Complaining about $1000 in a year smh

From what comes in #816184744797929522 , thats a fair amount

onyx loom Mar 10, 2021, 2:21 PM

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i made a grand total of $2 last year 😮

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Most of them wasn't from request paid Yugi, but people reaching out

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:21 PM

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jovial warren Actually I make £20 a week in pocket money for doing fuck all so I can't say shi...

lol do your parents give you money for getting good grades

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Ah

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:21 PM

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quiet depot lol do your parents give you money for getting good grades

man imagine good grades

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sucks to suck

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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I have 170$ scholarship, but I'm a nice person so I don't get any of it fingerguns

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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can't relate, I'm in the top of my cohort for maths

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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£170 scholarship

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per what

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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monthly

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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ah

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man

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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hot hull I have 170$ scholarship, but I'm a nice person so I don't get any of it <:finger...

Why dont you get it?

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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I give it to my mom

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Ah

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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quiet depot lol do your parents give you money for getting good grades

Nope, my grandmother (who gets a government pension and lives in a council house I may add) gives it to me

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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y'all americans with ur shite student finance

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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:kek:

onyx loom Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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whos american

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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👀https://www.studentfinancewales.co.uk/ easy money

Student Finance Wales

providing information and guidance on the financial help available to higher education students, living in Wales.

onyx loom Mar 10, 2021, 2:23 PM

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hot hull I give it to my mom

cute

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:23 PM

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quiet depot pulse that makes it impossible to reliably reload

Do you mean /reload or hotswapping?

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:23 PM

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hotswapping is satan

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:23 PM

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jovial warren Nope, my grandmother (who gets a government pension and lives in a council house...

Gotta love grandparents

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:23 PM

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neither bm

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you can't reliably unload classes from a classloader

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trust me I've tried

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:23 PM

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He wants /reload for Krypton plugins BM

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:24 PM

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why would you need to unload them tho

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:24 PM

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Didnt chestly post something about being able to unload classes in #developer-chat

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:24 PM

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yes i also am #developer-chat

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i also, in fact, agree

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:24 PM

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pulse's solution was to just have everything in the one urlclassloader, and for a reload to function, you'd need to unload classes and load in new ones

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but you can't unload classes

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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spot the impostor

onyx loom Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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lol

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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quiet depot you can't reliably unload classes from a classloader

Wait so how does Bukkit shut down reliably then? Does the JVM just fire the shutdown hook and then the plugins are left to shut themselves down properly and the class loaders just die?

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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lol

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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mmm

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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Oh

ocean quartz Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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jovial warren That's a very very very very very very very very very very very very good thing,...

Not saying it's a bad thing, just saying it's a reason why they won't be as popular

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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bukkit isn't reliable

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bukkit literally has a message saying "this is a bad idea" when you reload

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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haha

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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ocean quartz Not saying it's a bad thing, just saying it's a reason why they won't be as popu...

Yeah

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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lmao

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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I thought you were saying having an open classloader was a bad idea

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:26 PM

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quiet depot bukkit literally has a message saying "this is a bad idea" when you reload

Exactly what puts me off adding reloading into Krypton

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:26 PM

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imagine loading 'classes'

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pfffft

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:26 PM

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Stfu

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:26 PM

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not like clojure has to compile to classes

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nope

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not at all

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:26 PM

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Lol

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:26 PM

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Imagine needing to reload because your spaghetti code is so tightly coupled to an impure framework you can't test in a repl

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:26 PM

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just gonna bring up osgi again because I think it has a functional reload impl

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:26 PM

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You could provide ways for plugins to interact with each other w.r.t their lifecycle

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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prisma wave Imagine needing to reload because your spaghetti code is so tightly coupled to a...

Jump off a cliff

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Like make it deregister the hook as soon as the calling plugin dies

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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quiet depot just gonna bring up osgi again because I think it has a functional reload impl

OSGI?

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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yes

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Wat dis

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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man

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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basically a plugin framework

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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jovial warren Jump off a cliff

They hated jesus because he told them the truth

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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controversial statement there bm

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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prisma wave They hated jesus because he told them the truth

Lol

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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it allows u to load jars

onyx loom Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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bm comparing himself to jesus?

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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and unload jars

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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bm is jesus

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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quiet depot basically a plugin framework

Oh right

hot hull Mar 10, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Might just have to jump off a cliff myself after that statement that BM is jesus

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:28 PM

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lmao

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:28 PM

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cliffs are too short for that

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:28 PM

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hot hull Might just have to jump off a cliff myself after that statement that BM is jesus

KEKW

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:28 PM

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I was just quoting the meme

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No comparisons drawn

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:28 PM

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bm be like

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:29 PM

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btw osgi doesn't fix your spaghetti code, osgi advertises itself as a way to "modularise your tightly coupled code into modules that are still tightly coupled"

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but it fixes the reload issue

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somehow

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:29 PM

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bm be like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elizAugXVcI

YouTube

bill wurtz

Mount St. Helens is about to Blow Up

https://billwurtz.com
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patreon: https://patreon.com/billwurtz

itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/bill-wurtz/id1019208137
twitch: https://twitch.tv/billwurtz
soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/billwurtz
twitter: https://twitter.com/billwurtz
instagram: https://instagr...

▶ Play video

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Dis why reloading bad

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:29 PM

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is that a new vid?

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:29 PM

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no

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very old

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wurtz made a new one a month ago

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:29 PM

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yeah

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:29 PM

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before that he made one called 'might quit' a year prior

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that was a hard time

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:30 PM

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old wyvern bm be like

Simon and Rich

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:30 PM

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lol

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wurtz is a strange one

stuck harbor Mar 10, 2021, 2:30 PM

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indeed

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:30 PM

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very strange

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Anyway

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Restart good reload bad

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:30 PM

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https://www.morling.dev/blog/class-unloading-in-layered-java-applications/

Class Unloading in Layered Java Applications

Layers are sort of the secret sauce of the Java platform module system (JPMS):
by providing fine-grained control over how individual JPMS modules and their classes are loaded by the JVM,
they enable advanced usages like loading multiple versions of a given module, or dynamically adding and removing modules at application runtime.

The Layrry A...

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:30 PM

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tl;dr

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:31 PM

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http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~pliden/slides/ZGC-Jfokus-2019.pdf

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:31 PM

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"a class or interface may be unloaded if and only if its defining class loader may be reclaimed by the garbage collector" (JLS,

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that's what I said to do earlier

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this just validates my claim

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you can't unload classes from a classloader

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only the classloader itself

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which is why pulse's solution is not viable

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:32 PM

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I see

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Wait so the secret to unloading is making the class loader useless and letting the GC yeet it?

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:32 PM

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yes

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that should've been strongly implied through my original solution that I sent

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:33 PM

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How does one accomplish such a feat?

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:33 PM

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yeah good luck reliably getting the GC to actually destroy it

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:33 PM

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#dev-general message

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you need to first eliminate ALL references to the class

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that's why a method in the plugin which unregisters itself from its dependencies is essential

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and then you also need to eliminate the references in krypton itself

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then, you can close the classloader

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and if you're lucky, gc will take it away

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:34 PM

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prisma wave yeah good luck reliably getting the GC to actually destroy it

I'm sure you can do some https://tenor.com/uyuI.gif to force the GC into a corner reliably

Tenor

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:34 PM

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yeah no

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:34 PM

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quiet depot and if you're lucky, gc will take it away

Yeah it's not exactly reliable lol

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:34 PM

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yeah, I struggled immensely with it

prisma wave Mar 10, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Probably not worth the effort tbh

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:34 PM

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prisma wave Probably not worth the effort tbh

My thought entirely

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:35 PM

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reloading is an extremely useful feature if functional

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it's definitely worth it

old wyvern Mar 10, 2021, 2:35 PM

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If nothing holds a reference to a class from that classloder, it would be eligible for gc right?

jovial warren Mar 10, 2021, 2:35 PM

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If I need to do some whack to try and force the GC into a corner, it's very debatable whether it's worth it or not

quiet depot Mar 10, 2021, 2:36 PM

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only if the classloader is closed yugi