too bad
#dev-general
steel heart
hot hull
@ocean quartz That's illegal
ocean quartz
I will use this method in more than 1 clas
@obtuse gale Why?
Seems like a lack of SRP right here
Single responsibility principle
?solid
compact perchBOT
FAQ Answer:
ocean quartz
Check the first one
Anyone knows where on IJ can i change the auto generation of the annotations?
It always does final @NotNull instead of @NotNull final
umbral mica
I mean technically that's correct
prisma wave
@ocean quartz why must you do this to me
ocean quartz
It's not gonna be like that, was just a joke xD
prisma wave
Phew
ocean quartz
It's ugly
obtuse gale
like blitz
umbral mica
:blobpinged:
ocean quartz
@NotNull final Type name
for parameters
@NotNull
private final Type type;
For fields and
@NotNull
public Type getType();
For methods
heady birch
Yeah well my way is more reliable
ocean quartz
How is it anything about reliability? It's preference
heady birch
It just is. And I have a medical condition so you cant ask that
umbral mica
I mean style-wise I usually stick annotations on the same line as params fields etc. Methods & classes are on a different line tho ofc
heady birch
I think my preference is multiple in parameters with spring mainly
public String someRoute(final @PathVariable("varA") String varA,
final @PathVariable("n") int number) {
}
vs
public String someRoute(@PathVariable("varA") final String varA,
@PathVariable("n") final int number) {
}
I prefer ```java
public String someRoute(final @PathVariable("varA") String varA,
@PathVariable("n") final int number) {
}
Put that in showvase
obtuse gale
no
ocean quartz
Me wondering why i am getting this error and then realizing this is Java and being sad
hot hull
Kek
remote goblet
How similar is c++ to java
ocean quartz
@steel heart and since it was your idea @heady birch don't miss use showcase
steel heart
They are JEALOUS
heady birch
@ocean quartz Maybe we should add a "polls" channel for genuine "polls" so people can "vote"
ocean quartz
Can always ask Cube
steel heart
Collaboration channel would be nice
heady birch
What would it do
steel heart
Find collaborators obviously
dusky drum
okay so guys i have issue with JavaScript if i have array of some stuff
var images = ["1.jpg", "10.jpg", "11.jpg", "12.jpg", "13.jpg", "14.jpg", "15.jpg", "16.jpg", "17.jpg", "2.jpg", "3.jpg", "4.jpg", "5.jpg", "6.jpg", "7.jpg", "8.jpg", "9.jpg"];
images.sort();
it doesnt get sorted:
ocean quartz
Store the numbers only, sort it then append the .jpg
dusky drum
hm
any idea why php cant sort it either?
i've tried like 3 sorts in php and none of them could sort it.
since array is more like this:
ocean quartz
Don't think any language will sort it the way you want, because to a string 10 is right after 1
dusky drum
oh.
i see
thats gona be hard to do then huh
hehe
got it working
๐
nvm
its still broken
distant sun
Split the string and compare the numbers?
obtuse gale
Split the string and compare the numbers?
@distant sun wouldn't work like you think if it's JS KEK
FUJCKING STUPID languaage sorts an array of NUMBERS alphabetically
tranquil crane
sorting numbers.. alphabetically
distant sun
Well but you can still make your own sorting method, dont you?
distant sun
How do I decline someone's role request?
tranquil crane
say no
distant sun
Gn
obtuse gale
๐
steel heart
Gm
obtuse gale
๐
tranquil crane
Ge
obtuse gale
๐
ocean quartz
Aight added optionals now ;p
obtuse gale
hot
onyx loom
very hot
onyx loom
RUST
prisma wave
rust ๐
regal gale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDN7Z6d1qQA did anyone get the coding language reference here? ๐
I might feel like it's Lua somehow
But I am certain that it's still in C++
Hold up a second.. just realized that's Basic coding language
onyx loom
ok
prisma wave
elara is on fire
onyx loom
๐ฅ
prisma wave
@normal talon why downvote D:
onyx loom
onyx loom
better ๐
prisma wave
:elaramoon:
regal gale
Now where's my communist emote
distant sun
sup
heady birch
@distant sun making the extension
prisma wave
@onyx loom you were asking about jvm times vs native, while this isn't a very fair comparison (since elara is more optimised), a recursive factorial function in Elara vs Frigga is about 11ฮผs vs 400ฮผs
prisma wave
Yep lol
ocean quartz
Oh was going to ask why "optimised" was a brit giveaway and realized it's with s and not z lmao
hot hull
I use both
prisma wave
๐ฅถ
obtuse gale
I use the 3 of them
ocean quartz
The only problem i have with differences like this is that english has no vocal rules, so s can sound like s but also z in words that are very similar
In my language s will always sound like z if it's following a vowel and sound like s if following a consonants
prisma wave
Yeah it could sound like either
obtuse gale
Speaking of either, how do you pronounce that? . _.
like ee-ther or I-ther?
I'm stupid don't look at me
ocean quartz
Both are correct, i do the first
obtuse gale
either is correct
Hahahaahaahahaahaahahhahhahahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahaahahahhhahahahahahahahahhahahhahh
Gif or gif
prisma wave
Gif
obtuse gale
Totes
ocean quartz
BM important question, how do you pronounce "schedule"?
ocean quartz
Ooo interesting a had a brit in my class that pronounced it shed-yule
And nah, the way you say it is the american way
ocean quartz
Probably yeah, north of england speaks weird af
ocean quartz
the ones from london also speak so weird
prisma wave
Most British accents are weird
prisma wave
python is faster than elara ๐ฆ
prisma wave
it's true though ๐ญ
static zealot
we don't like the cold hard truth
onyx loom
elara #1 fastest language is a lie? ๐ฆ
umbral mica
LOL
prisma wave
Trust me as soon as we switch to rust it will be different
Go is probably the problem
heady birch
Elara is literally rust
heady birch
You could build a converter that takes elara code, converts it to rust then compiles
prisma wave
Therefore rust but better
prisma wave
JVM is planned
We're just using an interpreter for now to make sure everything will actually work in practice
prisma wave
Exactly
Second fastest language ever
Hard to believe that we could beat C and Assembly but it's true
onyx loom
๐ค
prisma wave
onyx loom
๐
heady birch
@pallid gale Still waiting for emoji leaderboard. emoji top 10 emoji users. emoji most used emoji per user. emoji top 10 emojis.
emoji most reacted emoji on message
The Emoticon "emoji"
onyx loom
ocean quartz
Does it make sense for an optional property to have a default value? 
Instead of being empty by default
ocean quartz
Hmm fair yeah
I guess i can make it default to the value but then if deleted after it doesn't regenerate
prisma wave
yeah that makes sense
obtuse gale
no u
remote goblet
@ocean quartz are you able to alter the pathfinding of an pre existing entity like a villager 
I can't cast org.bukkit.entity.Villager to EntityCreature or EntityCreature
i also constantly bother you cause i know you know some nms
obtuse gale
Wouldn't you need to cast to a CraftEntity (probably CraftVillager, idk) and get the handle from there?
Yea
EntityVillager nmsVillager = ((CraftVillager) villager).getHandle();
remote goblet
i am angy
obtuse gale
what's the plan ๐
remote goblet
Well making an entity walk to another entity works
but doesnt work for block position
obtuse gale
invisible armor stand
obtuse gale
I believe you can spawn the armor stand without it showing for that split of a second
uuuh
obtuse gale
T World#spawn(Location, Class<T>, Consumer<T>)
the consumer will run before it gets added to the world
so you can setInvisible(false) or whatever
remote goblet
BlockPosition straightup dont work when making an entity walk somewhere
obtuse gale
lmao
ocean quartz
You might wanna remove some of their other AI so they don't stop randomly and stuff
remote goblet
Probably but eh
obtuse gale
ahahahahaha
remote goblet
I wrote this code in the most
garbage way i could
as its almost 4am and i am exhausted
obtuse gale
yeah later tonight you won't even know wtf you wrote
remote goblet
https://hasteb.in/jumiduqe.kotlin like damn this code is bad i already know it
but it functions
ocean quartz
Heh, late night is when i write the best 
ocean quartz
See
remote goblet
Matt how bad is that code from a scale of 1-10
I wish I could still have your blue fefo
obtuse gale
at least you got something out of it 
remote goblet
ocean quartz
List properties support 
obtuse gale
Reinventing yaml
ocean quartz
Not really xD
ocean quartz
It's yaml, just a lib to handle it, similar to ConfigMe, it has null safety, optional, bean properties, and keeps comments
ocean quartz
Oh yeah ;p
tranquil crane
anything that keeps yaml comments is a win
viral skiff
Anyone know how to install fivem in pterodactyl panel? i don't have experience with it so i need someone to help me out.
ocean quartz
Noice, this is working pretty well, can even add separators
obtuse gale
Fancy
prisma wave
Are you using snakeyaml @ocean quartz ?
heady birch
Path comment locale would be nice
prisma wave
en_FR
onyx loom
๐คฃ
onyx loom
en_GB_isle_of_wight
onyx loom
that is very understandable
prisma wave
indeed
rough translation: "you are a big person from the isle of wight who is having children at some point"
Lol
onyx loom
๐
errant geyser
en_GB_yorkshire
U wot
My grandparents are from Yorkshire, easily understandable
They just say weird things
Like "lookya" rather than "look"
quiet depot
aus accent >
prisma wave
an absolute masterpiece
ocean quartz
@prisma wave Yeah snake yaml
@dusky drum I think i can release a snapshot soon but no ata for when it'll be fully ready
Path comment locale would be nice
@heady birch What would this be?
heady birch
locale
prisma wave
how you doing comments then?
ocean quartz
I only use it to read, writing is done manually
hot hull
@prisma wave U got a min?
prisma wave
for what?
hot hull
Some reflection help
I'm trying to change a private field boolean to true, however the class is abstract so I'm kinda lost
prisma wave
what's the problem?
hot hull
Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Can not set boolean field net.minecraft.server.v1_8_R3.Entity.invulnerable to java.lang.Class
Code:
final Entity nmsEntityArmorStand = ((CraftArmorStand) entity).getHandle();
try {
final Field invulnerableField = Entity.class.getDeclaredField("invulnerable");
invulnerableField.setAccessible(true);
System.out.println("Initial Value: " + invulnerableField.get(Entity.class));
invulnerableField.setAccessible(true);
invulnerableField.setBoolean(nmsEntityArmorStand, true);
System.out.println("Finished Value: " + invulnerableField.get(Entity.class));
} catch (final NoSuchFieldException | IllegalAccessException ex) {
ex.printStackTrace();
}
(exception being throw on the first access of the field)
oop wait I'm sm0ll brain
obtuse gale
why are you calling setAccessible twice lmao
hot hull
huh?
hot hull
You look odd smh
obtuse gale
๐
hot hull
Now how do I convert a CraftArmorStand to a normal one, my brain
obtuse gale
Why are you doing that shit with nms
heady birch
This is objectively wrong.
obtuse gale
entity.setInvulnerable(true)
heady birch
Upgrade to 1.12
obtuse gale
LAFF
heady birch
We dont provide support for 1.8 Have a Nice day ๐
hot hull
Ah yes let me go tell the person who's paying me to do this to update everything to 1.12
Cause that's how shit works
static zealot
Upgrade to 1.12
even 1.16.3 if you can
hot hull
Fucking monka brains
static zealot
๐
obtuse gale
I mean the value should be reflected onto the bukkit armor stand
steel heart
Imagine using reflection
obtuse gale
I don't see why you should cast back
You are changing the value on the nms entity reference itself, taken straight from the cb entity
hot hull
Oh yea meaning I can just reference my old entity correct?
steel heart
Basically frosty has 4head
obtuse gale
and i 1eye
hot hull
My brain ain't working today
obtuse gale
i1i
steel heart
Mad sus
steel heart
ima vote you
hot hull
Not to toot my own horn, but I've been working on a custom minions plugin and I gotta say, this shit is fucking awesome
frail glade
frail glade
You going to show a video or what
hot hull
Soonโข๏ธ
static zealot
public or privatE?
onyx loom
soonโข๏ธ 
hot hull
private Blitz
static zealot
thought so xD
frail glade
You talk mad game for a dude that won't even showcase his project /s
ocean quartz
OS Frosty
ocean quartz
Today i dive into the bean properties 
frail glade
Wahoo!
ocean quartz
Tbh i could just use gson for it
frail glade
Have fun playing with TypeTokens.
ocean quartz
Ikr xD
frail glade
Not even sure how I managed to mess it up but apparently GSON was messing with my TypeToken stuff to serialize and deserialize a list of UUIDs, and it would throw an "UnsupportedOperationException" whenever I tried to add a UUID to an "Abstract List" (Literally set it to be an ArrayList on both ends for testing) and I just changed everything to a Set and it started working again.
hot hull
Don't you love it when you make an invulnerable armor stand and then you can't remove it with /killall all -.-
onyx loom
๐
hot hull
And how am I supposed to get it's uuid..
obtuse gale
/minecraft:kill @e[type=armor_stand,limit=1,sort=nearest] ๐
hot hull
Not a valid type :bruh:
obtuse gale
wat
what version you on
OH 1.8
AHAHAHAH
yeah good luck with pre 1.13 commands :kekw:
hot hull
lol
obtuse gale
hot hull
@remote goblet "Ah yes I just started with NMS so I decided to go mess with the hardest things"
Great thinking
hot hull
It's not, just tedious
obtuse gale
> just tedious
As you properly experienced last night
remote goblet
hot hull
The fucker sprinting for his life tho
remote goblet
Yeah they fuckin nyoooom
heady birch
๐
remote goblet
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568501722537000980/771069414086541342/2020-10-28_17-50-27.mp4 heres a slightly higher bitrate version of it
onyx loom
still terrible bitrate
heady birch
gradients are my thing
remote goblet
my gradients are better
hot hull
So close to having this finished
remote goblet
hot hull
Ofc you stole it from Esophose
static zealot
wtf~?
onyx loom
have u tried not sucking
gentle wren
Does anyone know why it updates for that certain user, but not for other users?
remote goblet
suck a dick kaliber :)
static zealot
delete that ayresia
onyx loom
static zealot
and go to #development
remote goblet
okay brb
heady birch
Saturation and looping ๐
gentle wren
My bad, thank you @static zealot
heady birch
But certainly not enterprise grade
heady birch
GradientFactory.createRainbowGradient();
remote goblet
HexUtils.colorify();
heady birch
hot hull
"colorify"
remote goblet
colorify
onyx loom
String.color() ๐
heady birch
non stateful/text tied gradients
remote goblet
Int.color
hot hull
Integer.color()
heady birch
true enterprise decouplement
hot hull
Smh Ori
heady birch
the fact you could take the gradient system and "plop" it into any standard "awt" project
onyx loom
enterprise solutions
remote goblet
okay what random ass plugin do i make now
frail glade
Ooo fancy
hot hull
It's all abstract so I can easily add new cosmetics and minions
However fuck EulerAngles
Took me an hour to get this balloon right
onyx loom
lol
remote goblet
if the slayer minion moves his arm down does the balloon move with it
hot hull
He also holds a sword
heady birch
Make AJ Tracey skin
hot hull
No clue what that is
prisma wave
Make AJ Tracey skin
@heady birch lmao
prisma wave
Dinner guest is fire
onyx loom
๐
hot hull
@frail glade
frail glade
Very nice.
hot hull
Played around with having it animated, but it's just hella buggy cause it sometimes doesn't update the pose
So might need to do it with NMS to see if that helps
heady birch
@frail glade
frail glade
Hmm?
heady birch
would kite board open source be good idea
frail glade
I think it would, yeah.
hot hull
Y'all can't handle that enterprise code.
ocean quartz
Always OS imo
hot hull
The amount of shit I'd love to os but can't :(
onyx loom
just do it 
static zealot
ye just give me free code please.
hot hull
That's also the reason why some shit is private, cause people would just Ctrl c and ctrl v
Like bruh take it as an inspiration, not a copy paste
static zealot
who'd do that? I'd never
umbral mica
I wish @compact perch could be open source lol, I'm curious to see how the automod works
hot hull
Cube says barry is a mess
umbral mica
Given how little d.js I know, don't really care lol
hot hull
Barry coded himself
frail glade
This Discord is so active that he just uses all the messages to neural network train his AI based on what people say they need help the most with.
Wait wtf
umbral mica
I'd be interested to see if Syscraft bot's AI could actually be decent at support lol
frail glade
My messages just edited unedited and reditied
frail glade
ocean quartz
Reminds me of this lmao
frail glade
Lol
hot hull
Lol
onyx loom
Lol
static zealot
Lol
prisma wave
Lol
heady birch
Lol
obtuse gale
Lol
steel heart
Lol
remote goblet
Lol
ocean quartz
Oh god
obtuse gale
Matt you FOOL
steel heart
You ruined it :/
ocean quartz
I mean it started because of my post, i can stop it ;p
prisma wave
@onyx loom clojure moon
obtuse gale
LOclock3
prisma wave
๐
hot hull
You goddam idot how dare you!!!!1!!
heady birch
funnycube to integrate sars photo uploading into barry
prisma wave
ELIF
developers will be like ew functjonal programming is gross I like Java streams btw
every developer born after 1997
cant ๐
clear bramble
hey >.>
obtuse gale
canned knot
clear bramble
I hate java streams
prisma wave
But do you think functional programming is gross
clear bramble
I think it's beyond my understanding in most cases, when you're talking about langs like haskell
clear bramble
haha
clear bramble
I use functional stuff in js all the time
prisma wave
๐ โ
steel heart
Pure Functional programming ewww
prisma wave
print :: IO
clear bramble
pure functional scares me so much
clear bramble
yo
umbral mica
callback hell
clear bramble
have yall seen that youtuber who just makes rants
prisma wave
F#
clear bramble
about how object oriented programming is the worst thing ever created?
steel heart
No itโs not
steel heart
His argument is flawed
clear bramble
it's hilarious
heady birch
new_list()
add(list, item)
prisma wave
๐
steel heart
He is like lol we can use switch instead of inheritance
clear bramble
ya his name is Brian Will
steel heart
Just what the fuck dud
prisma wave
Golang
heady birch
Rust does it pretty well
steel heart
Youโre mentally not good then
heady birch
Special enum
clear bramble
homoiconic == gay icon?
prisma wave
[] List<Any>
steel heart
[]<>{List(Any: Object)}
prisma wave
dev general started off as "kotlin good java bad" and now it's just nonsensical rambling
clear bramble
I've wanted to look at kotlin for a while now but I've never gotten around to it
prisma wave
don't bother
prisma wave
It's lacking many "modern" features
onyx loom
kotlin good java bad
prisma wave
Such as print function and &'a mut
steel heart
Java decent kotlin good Elera superior python decent C# good
prisma wave
๐ฒ
clear bramble
smh my head if you're not using clojure for everything do you really even qualify as a human being?
onyx loom
๐
obtuse gale
lmao
prisma wave
smh my head if you're not using clojure for everything do you really even qualify as a human being?
@clear bramble well said
onyx loom
๐
obtuse gale
onyx loom
๐
prisma wave
(defn main [] (println " "))
prisma wave
ร
obtuse gale
imgur
clear bramble
jesus
steel heart
int main() {
return Fefo.LOL_VALUE;
}
onyx loom
10k for kotlin ๐
prisma wave
Say what you like about Clojure but it's really very similar to elara
steel heart
Clojure is too functional
prisma wave
That's the point
steel heart
Itโs almost illegal
obtuse gale
almost?
prisma wave
Not really
umbral mica
10k for kotlin ๐
https://i.imgur.com/A5dj8Mu.png
prisma wave
FP just needs a different mindset
clear bramble
elara mitten out here making an actual real programming language, tryna show me up with my shitty JS-interpreted LISPlike scripting lang
steel heart
Anyone tried Deno?
prisma wave
Sign me up ๐ ๐
clear bramble
I don't think you understand how much I'm using js lang features, it's basically just a wrapper for JS with different syntax
prisma wave
every day there is a new spigot fork and js runtime made
clear bramble
I was really surprised to find out about PrismarineJS
prisma wave
Ok well now it can be a wrapper for Go with different syntax ๐
clear bramble
like, who does that?
prisma wave
Strange people
hot hull
I cracked my phones protective screen :(
onyx loom
get a new one 6head
hot hull
20$, cba
clear bramble
so can I bring up a random fun fact
prisma wave
no
clear bramble
oh
clear bramble
lol
prisma wave
As long as it's fun
clear bramble
this always seems to blow someone's mind, idk
clear bramble
the # in c# is just two ++'s from c++ stacked on top of each other
onyx loom
o
prisma wave
๐ณ
onyx loom
c# = c++? ๐ณ
clear bramble
it's c++++
hot hull
That's it, @distant sun ban this man
prisma wave
I'm on it ๐
clear bramble
Hey I'm a woman
prisma wave
!ban @clear bramble
steel heart
No
prisma wave
consider yourself banned
distant sun
?
clear bramble
nOOOOOOO
onyx loom
old wyvern
That might be cโฐโฐ coz + isnt long enough
prisma wave
elara mitten claims another victim
ocean quartz
toJson method, if null calls toJson if not, calls toJson
steel heart
Peril is the most geniousest person here, yโall got deefficienses or smtng
hot hull
Time to start addressing everyone as an apache attack helicopter so I don't accidentally offend anyone
prisma wave
@ocean quartz recursion ๐
ocean quartz
It isn't xD
heady birch
yes , commonly H64
hot hull
It's a dif method tho idots
obtuse gale
IDOTS
ocean quartz
It's just a joke btw
clear bramble
wha
onyx loom
thanks for clearing that up matt
prisma wave
It is the year 2022, slight_smile has been outlawed
obtuse gale
๐
hot hull
๐
clear bramble
๐ shoot me
heady birch
prisma wave
no it's not 2022 yet
hot hull
Oh damn Niall
prisma wave
showcase
old wyvern
๐ shoot me
@clear bramble
We dont do american here
steel heart
clear bramble
LOOOOL
surreal quarry
old wyvern
IntelliLara
heady birch
๐ญ
old wyvern
ElaraJ
clear bramble
Niall what did you say? I can only see *******
old wyvern
IntelliEl
surreal quarry
elara should have its own ide
ocean quartz
Yeah was gonna say it makes more sense to be IntelliEl
surreal quarry
Intelara
clear bramble
Ineltelarliaj
old wyvern
IntelliEl 2021 confirmed
prisma wave
import elara/ide
ide start
ide open "main.el"
steel heart
Elera Earth
clear bramble
Elara.js
old wyvern
ElCharm
surreal quarry
ElaraStorm
prisma wave
No
old wyvern
Elarn
clear bramble
Elara Dungeons
old wyvern
Elarm
surreal quarry
elara discord api
prisma wave
yes
surreal quarry
we need one
prisma wave
Ok
onyx loom
elaracord
surreal quarry
make it a part of the standard library :)
normal talon
learning java is one thing but implementing it is a another thing (sad moment)
prisma wave
Have you seen calculator
ocean quartz
Since the Jetbrains IDEs are kinda puns, probably would be called ElAra
surreal quarry
i did see calculator
steel heart
Eleracraft
prisma wave
thanks
steel heart
@normal talon I pray with you
normal talon
๐
old wyvern
Since the Jetbrains IDEs are kinda puns, probably would be called ElAra
@ocean quartz
The Now
clear bramble
I don't wanna go to work today
surreal quarry
we should make the elara discord api wrapper before the language is finished
as a fun challenge
clear bramble
I have to teach python, using turtle library, using trinket, which is so restrictive and I barely know how to use it
ocean quartz
El ara ara
prisma wave
I will make a discord API
onyx loom
TURTLE
old wyvern
What we do def need is something similar to JNI so anyone can add native stuff from specific languages that it will be transpiled to
prisma wave
ENI
clear bramble
๐ข
onyx loom
i learnt that in like year 9 ๐ฅฒ
old wyvern
Actually I guess as long as we allow interop thats not needed
prisma wave
doing computer science in year 9 ๐ฅฒ
steel heart
Make a brister mitten api also pls
clear bramble
yeah but I never really did python tho? I just did ruby/java/js in school and I've only scripted a few things with python outside of it
prisma wave
Make a brister mitten api also pls
@steel heart what would it do
onyx loom
@steel heart what would it do
@prisma wave get pinged
old wyvern
๐
prisma wave
ok
steel heart
It would presumably control you bm
prisma wave
๐คจ
prisma wave
there are more effective ways of spreading the Elara message
steel heart
Everyone could have their personal bm
prisma wave
@old wyvern I don't think namespaces & import declarations are parsing properly
clear bramble
okay someone needs to explain to me why @steel heart keeps saying "elera" and not "elara"
steel heart
Good point
steel heart
Elera is nicer in my opinion
onyx loom
There are no Elara minded people, Elara is the people
Only Elara exists
"Yugi" - 2020
write this down for the history books
old wyvern
The interpretter wasnt really initially planned remember? xD
prisma wave
Ah true lol
Fair enough
the infix parsing will be easier in an interpreted language tbf
steel heart
Is elara compiled?
prisma wave
It will be
surreal quarry
Elara should be taught in schools
surreal quarry
lang tm
old wyvern
Go Land
prisma wave
awesome
btw, again with the infixes - we could make it so you can only use it for the actual function arguments?
so list.map some-function rather than list map some-function
then there's no ambiguity
it's just optional commas & parens
old wyvern
Sure
prisma wave
Great
that solves the biggest problem
I don't think there's much else to consider?
heady birch
I have a proposal:
let print-twice = (String message) => {
print message
print message
}
to become:
let print-twice = (message: String) => {
print message
print message
}```possibly
idk
maybe just message String
Idk, personally I'm torn - we're using name: Type for variable declaration but I think Type name looks better for structs and parameters
And then it's inconsistent
onyx loom
name: Type
prisma wave
everywhere?
onyx loom
ye
prisma wave
hmmmmmmmm
frail glade
Hmm so it looks like that uptime server placeholder bug has leaked into other placeholders on the server stuff too 
steel heart
F
lavish notch
Might there be a better version of Java to use for MC servers?
For example, 1.8 paperspigot idling (with various plugins) is at 785MB RAM usage.
Plugin List before you ask:
prisma wave
I mean newer versions will likely be more efficient
But bear in mind that the JVM reserves ram I believe, and might not actually be using all of it
heady birch
also kiteboard will east up ram like theres no tomorrow ๐
prisma wave
Rewrite it in rust :)
steel heart
Niall give me kiteboard
prisma wave
can I have a discount since we're both rust appreciators
heady birch
I'm joking ๐ It shouldn't use too much
steel heart
Same
prisma wave
heady birch
Might open source at some point so you could just mvn package
frail glade
Is there an actual reason I'm missing here for these to be Integer.toString() vs String.valueOf()?
umbral mica
Wait niall are you the KB dev?
prisma wave
@frail glade they do the same thing afaik
heady birch
Yeah
frail glade
Bothers me that these are the only ones diff from the others, haha.
steel heart
String.vakueOf is shorter
prisma wave
@lavish notch I mean, it says how to reduce lag if that's a problem
prisma wave
@heady birch Niall/KiteBoard
Contributors:
Niall
knightzmc
๐ ๐
steel heart
I think Integer.toString only takes an int @frail glade
So it would emphasize more on whatโs going on
frail glade
Hmm, okay.
Apparently we already had a PR open to fix these placeholders. Currently having them tested and if it works, I'll merge that and get a release going for the Server Expansion.
lavish notch
@prisma wave Using the suggest flags, RAM usage spikes to 2GB D:
prisma wave
Unless you're having lag I wouldn't worry about it
As I said I'm pretty sure the JVM reserves more ram than it needs, so ram usage isn't necessary accurate
prisma wave
jokes aside it's a pretty nice language
umbral mica
I was looking through the website & I'm starting to see what y'all like about it
like the null system makes a lot more sense
plus extending classes looks fucking fun
prisma wave
yeah that's probably the main reason to use it
prisma wave
you get used to it
umbral mica
but java interop so meh I'll give it a shot
steel heart
Corountines
umbral mica
also apparently you can do kotlin to native?
frail glade
Literally never used Corountines yet
umbral mica
so that seems neat
prisma wave
Yeah although it's in early stages
steel heart
I mean corountines is nice
prisma wave
coroutines*
umbral mica
this has got to be the slowest project generation I've ever had lol
prisma wave
gradle loading?
umbral mica
yeah gradle downloading all the deps
prisma wave
yeah it'll take a while at first but then quick obviously
prisma wave
packages aren't as strict as they are in java
umbral mica
wait is kotlin not a semicolen lang? how'd I miss that lol
steel heart
Sometimes those are undoubtedly redundant
prisma wave
99% of the time semicolons are unnecessary
steel heart
for loops in java needs them
prisma wave
I mean as a line terminator
umbral mica
this stuff https://i.imgur.com/cybxu9S.png
prisma wave
yep
umbral mica
fuck kt is pulling ahead of java
steel heart
Iโve always said that 
prisma wave
it's definitely more feature rich
umbral mica
I'm not a fan of the "magic functions" tho
surreal quarry
magic functions?
umbral mica
idk what to call them
surreal quarry
example?
steel heart
mutableMapOf or?
umbral mica
System.out.println("Hello world");
``` vs ```kotlin
println("Hello world")
I wouldn't say they're magic
surreal quarry
you mean like not registered to a specific class
umbral mica
like in java it makes sense, they're a method on the ConsoleStream class or whatever
prisma wave
the term is "top level"
umbral mica
yeah exactly james
prisma wave
i.e not part of a class
surreal quarry
yea i love those lul
umbral mica
idk I find it weird
prisma wave
they're just functions that aren't part of a class
since kotlin isn't as strictly OOP
they're usually the equivalent of utility functions
surreal quarry
dont they compile to static functions?
prisma wave
yeah
umbral mica
so you can define your own top-level methods too?
surreal quarry
yea
umbral mica
hmm ok thats better then
prisma wave
if you ctrl + click you can see the definitition
ocean quartz
You can also set the file name with an annotation
surreal quarry
really?
prisma wave
println() in particular is just an alias of sout
ocean quartz
Yeah
prisma wave
yeah @file:JvmName iirc
umbral mica
oh neat ok well that's a lot better https://i.imgur.com/iIEBYpH.png
surreal quarry
interesting
prisma wave
kotlin has a lot of keywords
umbral mica
yeah I noticed that while I was looking through the docs
ok just for shits and giggles lemme try tossing one of my simple jda bots into that kotlin converter I know idea has
surreal quarry
yea ive never seen that before
prisma wave
it's only really useful for interop
heady birch
Will your config library be in Kotlin or Java
ocean quartz
Java
surreal quarry
well yea thats what its cool for lol
prisma wave
yeah kinda stating the obvious there lol
heady birch
I do not like this Matt Monopoly