#dev-general | HelpChat | Page 206

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 6:12 PM

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lemmo you ever used julia?

frigid badge Oct 12, 2020, 6:13 PM

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nope

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 6:13 PM

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you ever used JavaScript 1.0?

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 6:15 PM

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ah it's quite cool

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I've not used it for anything fancy but it seems pretty cool

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Apparently it's very flexible

frigid badge Oct 12, 2020, 6:29 PM

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ah okay

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interesting

obtuse gale Oct 12, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I was asked to upgrade someone else's plugin from 1.8.8 to 1.16.3

No source code available, I got the compiled jar given instead, and the decompiled code is a nightmare
I'm 10000000% sure the original source was a nightmare, decompiled nice code isn't really that bad...
I think it would have worked anyway, no upgrading required lmao
help
please help

frail glade Oct 12, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Never accept a project if you don't have the source is what I learned quickly.

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:13 PM

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don't change anything you don't need to

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Updating will probably just be changing material names and a few method names

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Leave everything else if it's a mess

obtuse gale Oct 12, 2020, 7:14 PM

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this 100% works on latest

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it barely makes use of bukkit at all, other than commands and sending messages

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only thing I'll do is just add an api-version lmao

ocean quartz Oct 12, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Really wanting to write this config stuff in Kotlin but people might want to use it in Java 😩
Suffering

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:21 PM

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interop

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 7:22 PM

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isn't the kotlin -> java interop kinda bad tho
like extension functions are weird, certain things dont work at all im pretty sure

ocean quartz Oct 12, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Not really, the problem is just in case of Spigot needing to shade Kotlin because of a lib

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 7:23 PM

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ah ok

frigid badge Oct 12, 2020, 7:30 PM

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I've never programmed on a pc tbh

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only laptop

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:30 PM

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bruh what is this conversation

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I code = I go on github and steal code xD

obtuse gale Oct 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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whenever I have to type I prefer laptops tbh

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Everyone is just saying things

obtuse gale Oct 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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yes

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banana

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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ugh Pizza

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xD

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especially github.com/ipsk and github.com/darbyjack/

frigid badge Oct 12, 2020, 7:32 PM

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ew

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:32 PM

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nahhhh

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that github shit

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also I'm pretty sure its Frcsty not Frxsty

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demoted from what?

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oh being staff is like being a member with just more random pings and friend requests

ocean quartz Oct 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Then we'd need to demote most staff kek

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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so would basically be a promote

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nope

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not true

ocean quartz Oct 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Coding is basically getting code from others and adapting

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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that's boosting

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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github.com/

ocean quartz Oct 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Why Frosty? lol

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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yah that's what I said Matt

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if you want to never do something good then copy code from Frosty xD

onyx loom Oct 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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elara ide&

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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/elara
@obtuse gale ElaraLang*

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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elaranguage

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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🙂

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slight_smile

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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🌚

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@obtuse gale
@obtuse gale

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nice

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xD

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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you should make your own language

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

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yeah xD

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discord doesn't let you quote a quote

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you should make your own language
@pseudo owl its called elara ...

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Will elara have a feature to sync with github automatically
@obtuse gale no

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:37 PM

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they are actually making it xD

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:37 PM

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is it a actual language

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Yes

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Mostly

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:37 PM

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oh

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😄

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:37 PM

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because that's what an IDE or Git is for @obtuse gale

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true

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SO many features

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print function 🙂

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Elara is going to be the language with most promised features ever and never actually to become true

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:38 PM

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uh

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make it work

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:38 PM

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make it actually work

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fix it again xD

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:39 PM

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lol

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:39 PM

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delete everything because it doesn't work and restart

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:39 PM

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we've already done that

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:39 PM

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go to 1

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:39 PM

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^

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:39 PM

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:(

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 7:39 PM

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well its a process that repeats

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xD

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:40 PM

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and elara wont release

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:40 PM

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it will

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Mark my words

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Even if it takes is 20 years

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It will release

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Int x = 4
@obtuse gale no thank you

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 7:41 PM

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COULD UUSE existing language FOR INCREASE PRODUCTIVITY such as rust for examples

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:41 PM

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so my grandchildrens can see the elara

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:41 PM

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let x = 4

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:41 PM

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i'm happy now

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:41 PM

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COULD UUSE existing language FOR INCREASE PRODUCTIVITY such as rust for examples
@heady birch ok

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the same

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There is only 2 number types

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Int and Dec probably although the names might change

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Let for everything

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let str = "hello"

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probably

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We have print function

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Adding

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Subtraction multiplication division

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Number

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No decimals allowed

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:45 PM

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@prisma wave which languages you are using to make elara

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 7:45 PM

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unsigned long long

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5ULL

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:46 PM

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@pseudo owl at the moment we are using Go for the runtime

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@obtuse gale yeah I think that will work but without the semicolons

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:47 PM

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so whitespaces?

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:48 PM

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world show-firework owo cool timer 🙂

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Optional dots and brackets

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:49 PM

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oh its nice

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 7:49 PM

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is the language conventions dashes

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Yes

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For variable names anyway

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 7:50 PM

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why not camel and lower camel

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:50 PM

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^

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:51 PM

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why not camel and lower camel
@surreal quarry we wanted a gimmick

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Basically

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But I think it looks alright

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 7:52 PM

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yea its not bad

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i wish all languages wouldve just stuck to one naming convention but theres so many now that it doesnt really matter

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Nah

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It's cool that they're unique

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Are variables a thing
@obtuse gale let is for variables

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for anything

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 7:53 PM

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isnt let for everything

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:53 PM

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but its elara

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 7:53 PM

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let = for elara

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:53 PM

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😉

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 7:54 PM

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why not?

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tf?

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i was just saying let is for elara

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im so confused

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:55 PM

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what

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let is the equivalent of val

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let mut is the equivalent of var

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 7:56 PM

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correct me if im wrong but isn't let also for functions

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 7:56 PM

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yeah i think

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 7:56 PM

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thats all I was trying to say is that let is for everything in elara

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Indeed it is

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Super first class functions

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I was tempted to make let for everything

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i.e structs too

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But that seems dumb

pseudo owl Oct 12, 2020, 8:01 PM

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i think its okay but idk

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 8:02 PM

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☹️

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 8:17 PM

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correct me if im wrong but isn't let also for functions
@surreal quarry
let is for any data, functions also being a form of data in elara

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also, lazy arguments reversed_fingerguns

let or = (Bool a, lazy Bool b) => {
     if a => return true
     else => return b
}

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b arg is evaluated only when b is requested

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Elara good

frigid badge Oct 12, 2020, 8:37 PM

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that's pretty cool tbh

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 8:41 PM

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indeed

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Quite a lot of optimization potential

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List.filter can avoid evaluating its predicate if the list is empty, etc

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The real difficulty is figuring out how to implement that on the JVM

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:01 PM

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lambdas

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:05 PM

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isn't that just deferring the overhead a lot of the time though?

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Idk

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:05 PM

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wdym?

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it would be called only once inside the function

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right before the first usage

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Ah yeah true

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:12 PM

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we could have something like

class LazyArgument<T> {
     private T t = null;
     private Supplier<T> supplier;
     public LazyArgument(Supplier<T> lazyT) {
         supplier = lazyT;
     } 
     public T get() {
        if (t == null) {
           t = supplier.invoke();
        }
        return t;
     }
}

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:16 PM

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that's probably best

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Although I'm not sure how significant the overhead would be there

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At the moment the interpreter can just pass the Command rather than the Value

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:20 PM

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true true

frigid badge Oct 12, 2020, 9:31 PM

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man I should really contribute

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seems like a very fun project

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:32 PM

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ayy 💯 💯

obtuse gale Oct 12, 2020, 9:33 PM

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yugi

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tier v when

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:33 PM

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probably not soon

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im not active enough

obtuse gale Oct 12, 2020, 9:33 PM

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:(

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:34 PM

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@frigid badge do you know Go

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:34 PM

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lemmo go fast

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Golang.org

ocean quartz Oct 12, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Golang.go

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:35 PM

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how similar is go to java or kotlin for example

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Syntactically it's fairly similar

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It has some quirks that are pretty different

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:35 PM

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add smart casting

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else I may have to build an alternative 🙂

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:36 PM

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To elara?

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:36 PM

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elara not even OO is it

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Not entirely

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Its multi paradigmn

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:36 PM

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It's as OO as Go or Rust is

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Kind of

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Maybe a bit more

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:37 PM

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add smart casting
@heady birch
We have the match block which does something similar

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Some<T> | None 🙂

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:38 PM

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🥰

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Better nullability handling fingerguns

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:38 PM

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is enum?

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:38 PM

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or rather, no nulls

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:39 PM

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no enum

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:39 PM

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compile to PURE null check

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:39 PM

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😋

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:39 PM

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native machine code

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:39 PM

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If memory ✓ is empty =={ ?@8!

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:39 PM

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will elara support like dependencies with gradle and stuff or how will all that work

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:39 PM

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😫

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Probably

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I think a package manager could be cool

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:39 PM

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😫

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cargo

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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But gradle compatibility will probably be good too

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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😫

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😫

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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for JVM we would probably have to have it work with gradle and maven as well

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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true

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😫

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😫

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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No maven

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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no?

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😫

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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interop with jvm languages or not

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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😫

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Why?

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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maven gross

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Also it's not technically necessary

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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😫

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:40 PM

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interop with jvm languages or not
Yes

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Leiningen supports dependencies from maven repositories but is a separate build tool for example

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Leiningen ?

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:41 PM

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hmm

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I guess we could work something like that out

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Its probably better to have it work with gradle itself tho and later work on the build tool

frigid badge Oct 12, 2020, 9:42 PM

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@frigid badge do you know Go
@prisma wave who knows maybe I do....

obtuse gale Oct 12, 2020, 9:42 PM

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maybe you don't

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:42 PM

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You're the perfect candidate

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Leiningen ?
@heady birch clojure build tool

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Schrodinger's Lemmo

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:42 PM

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you dont need to know go to contribute

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Ehhh

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:42 PM

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just PR some whitespace to the readme

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:43 PM

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You kinda need to know a bit

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No

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:43 PM

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just PR some whitespace to the readme
@surreal quarry
🙃

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:43 PM

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biased voters i showcase as susual

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:44 PM

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yes

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:44 PM

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CHANGE them to green upvotes NOW that is a fair vote in my opinion

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no one knows a fair vote better than me. believe me

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:44 PM

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no

frigid badge Oct 12, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Schrodinger's Lemmo
@old wyvern lmao

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make elara run on quantum computers is a must

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Can we make this the most downvoted showcase ever please

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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make elara run on quantum computers is a must
@frigid badge
Yes!

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Thanks

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Have you watched that movie where the world ends due to quantum computers? xD

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"The Mandela Effect" I think

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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The Elara Effect

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfYw6hSTgE0

YouTube

FilmSelect Trailer

THE MANDELA EFFECT Trailer (2019)

First trailer for The Mandela Effect

▶ Play video

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Cool thumb nail

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:46 PM

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nial

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:46 PM

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📎 thumb-1200x628-facebook-1200x628.png

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:46 PM

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no

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Thumbniall

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Whats elara file extension?

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:46 PM

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.el

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Probably

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:47 PM

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.e

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main.e

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:47 PM

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No thanks🙂

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:47 PM

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like main.c .h

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Its currently recognized as emac lisp on github tho

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xD

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Lol

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:47 PM

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.elaraelaraelaraelaralang

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:47 PM

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.elang

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Sounds like Erlang

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Erlang

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Lol

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:47 PM

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📎 unknown.png

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:47 PM

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😐 ☹️

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:48 PM

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tuff

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:48 PM

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:))

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Purple 🟪

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Down with the Niall

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Niall that's a "feature"

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:49 PM

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#MakeHelpChatGreatAgain #DownVoteNiall

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:49 PM

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I have yet to try my example in practice, I think it has good prospects

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Just wait till you tube channels start teaching it 🙂

obtuse gale Oct 12, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Niall purple

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:49 PM

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also don't spam the upvote button xD

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:49 PM

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All classes must implement the throwable

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:49 PM

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funny will get mad at you

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:49 PM

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plugin tutorial shows java smart cast by niall

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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no one:
absolutely no one:
Niall's classes:     extends Exception

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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: Exception()

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Oh can they tell when you upvoteyour own?

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Niall should rly become a youtuber making java tutorials. They are the best

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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but what if class extends other class

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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it actually spams him xD

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Eg JavaPlugin extends Exception

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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cant you implement throwable?

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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xD

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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no

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It's class

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Well I would implement it

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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implends

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:50 PM

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He would remake spigot

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 9:51 PM

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@frigid badge now if I use redis, could that replace mysql ?

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Actually

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:51 PM

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@static zealot kindly remove your "upvote", thanks

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:51 PM

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He would remake the jdk

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:51 PM

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@static zealot kindly remove your "upvote", thanks
@prisma wave K

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:51 PM

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reasonable

old wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Object replaced with Exception

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:51 PM

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I am not going to let the final keyword get in the way of quality programing

prisma wave Oct 12, 2020, 9:51 PM

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ok

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niapl; Java void public main instanceof
Elara: match packet ChatPacket => lg 🙂

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:52 PM

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he's going to remove the final keyword himself

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Rust as well rust + elara good

frigid badge Oct 12, 2020, 9:53 PM

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@steel heart no

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Kotlin ok- java not good with match

frigid badge Oct 12, 2020, 9:53 PM

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well you can

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:53 PM

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If only you could switch class smart cast

frigid badge Oct 12, 2020, 9:53 PM

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but shouldn't

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redis can do persistent storage but I'd not use it for that

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:54 PM

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#showcase

frigid badge Oct 12, 2020, 9:54 PM

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unless your data is really small or something

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:54 PM

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spinthink

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 9:54 PM

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So I should use mysql for storage and redis just for the tcp socket so I can update data between servers right?

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:54 PM

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stutter why is this emoji a thing? :))))

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Where do you get these emoji`s

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:55 PM

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oh you don't want to know

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:55 PM

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:stutter: Never work for me 😫

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:55 PM

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there's so many nsfw emojis there || spermat ||

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xD

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 9:56 PM

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alexSneak .

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:56 PM

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yayayNO

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Oh

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Emoji mood swings

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:57 PM

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DAMN

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 9:57 PM

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//Nialls first pattern
try {
   throw packet;
} catch (ChatPacket chatPacket) {
    //smart casted. "chatPacket" is an instance of ChatPacket
} catch (OtherPacket otherPacket) {

}

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I like it

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:57 PM

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I came up with this ages ago

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Bruh java legit has smart casting fr

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:57 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/164280494874165248/452279708856614912/710491527675117660

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 9:58 PM

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I'm proud of you

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:58 PM

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8853_HammerAndSickle

surreal quarry Oct 12, 2020, 9:58 PM

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thanks for linking another one for me to downvote :)

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:58 PM

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all down voters are

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:58 PM

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oh he took it down.

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:59 PM

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its still there

static zealot Oct 12, 2020, 9:59 PM

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oh nvm

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xD

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 9:59 PM

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It's kind of neat though

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Niall you have a very great chance of getting into Oracle as an employe

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 10:00 PM

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i present you the "smart cast"

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we do not need "Record" types

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Yo ever thought about generics for annotations?

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 10:01 PM

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😳 as in how would that work?

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 10:03 PM

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@interface lol<T> {
  Consumer<T> consumer() default t -> {}; 
}
``` or smtng

heady birch Oct 12, 2020, 10:03 PM

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hmmm

ocean quartz Oct 12, 2020, 10:04 PM

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What would be the point of generics on annotation?

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(genuine question)

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 10:05 PM

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So I was thinking like this:

class idk {
  @Handle(clazz = PlayerJoinEvent.class, consumer = event -> {})
  @EventHandlerInstance
  EventHandler handler;
}

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its very dumb

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then

EventHandler.register(idk.class)

ocean quartz Oct 12, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Decided to do it in Kotlin, config is already going to be nicer cuz of the operator function

📎 unknown.png

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 10:28 PM

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O nice

distant sun Oct 12, 2020, 10:28 PM

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2mb config lib, let's go

ocean quartz Oct 12, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Don't use it in Java fingerguns

distant sun Oct 12, 2020, 10:29 PM

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You suck

ocean quartz Oct 12, 2020, 10:29 PM

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I do kek

frail glade Oct 12, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Just run your own fork and shade it into the server jar. Then you can enjoy small jars (:

distant sun Oct 12, 2020, 10:30 PM

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You too

ocean quartz Oct 12, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Need to get Aikar to shade Kotlin into Paper

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Since MD will never

distant sun Oct 12, 2020, 10:30 PM

#

📎 unknown.gif

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He probably wont either

steel heart Oct 12, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Yo this tut is so good https://youtu.be/hCMVx9ywBqA

YouTube

CodeVlog

TCP Socket : Data Transfer without Single byte loss using Java

This clip shows how to transfer data over TCP socket without single byte loss. Code contains two user defined function, that create packet and read packet;

CreateDataPacket()
ReadStream()

▶ Play video

hasty flower Oct 13, 2020, 3:23 AM

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@heady birch KiteBoard says it supports 32 chars but only displays 30 out of my 31 chars

pseudo owl Oct 13, 2020, 6:37 AM

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i have a mysql server that i store player informations
and i have to get data on ex. basic events
#1 should i get data from mysql everytime
#2 or getting data first from mysql, saving it via hashmap or something like that after then getting data from hashmap

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Definitely use a cache

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 6:41 AM

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I know LP uses caffeine to handle caching, and luck generally knows what he's doing.

frail glade Oct 13, 2020, 7:01 AM

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Yeah load on startup, save on interval.

pseudo owl Oct 13, 2020, 7:05 AM

#

public SimpleCache{
    private static Map<String,Object> simpleCache = new HashMap<>();

    public static <T> T getValue(String key, Class type){

    //todo check contains here, if map doesn't contains key, throw not found exception

    Object val = simpleCache.get(key);

    return (T)val;    
  }
}

should i make my own cache class?

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cache libraries are a little bit confusing

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 7:20 AM

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should it not be T used where you have object, and no cast in the return?

pseudo owl Oct 13, 2020, 7:22 AM

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idk i just found on stackoverflow and reference that
btw thanks

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 7:30 AM

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@hasty flower Are you using colours? character limit include colours.

pseudo owl Oct 13, 2020, 7:31 AM

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or spaces " "?

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 8:50 AM

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don't make your own cache class

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just use a library

distant sun Oct 13, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Guava :)

frail glade Oct 13, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Guava is pretty nice since it's already implemented into bukkit

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 9:13 AM

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🤢

pseudo owl Oct 13, 2020, 9:13 AM

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😄

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why

gentle coyote Oct 13, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Hey^^.
I want to listen to one specific Event using the PluginManager#registerEvent method, but that takes an EventExecutor. I couldn't really find what I should pass in there. May someone help me in here?

distant sun Oct 13, 2020, 9:50 AM

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#registerEvents

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 10:21 AM

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@frigid badgeI may need your expert advice in a minute if thats ok

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 10:21 AM

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what's it about

obtuse gale Oct 13, 2020, 10:45 AM

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If I've got like a base API, then different applications that use said api, do I have them all in the same repo? Do I make a different repo for each? What's the normal way to do it

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Each application does the same thing, just on a different platform kinda thing

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 10:48 AM

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Well ideally you'd use modules for different platforms

obtuse gale Oct 13, 2020, 10:49 AM

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Tf is a module lol

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 10:49 AM

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Someone smack this man

static zealot Oct 13, 2020, 10:50 AM

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and then maybe explain him what a module is ?

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Nah, just smacking

distant sun Oct 13, 2020, 10:51 AM

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@obtuse gale you can use subprojects and have a different jar for each platform

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Maven modules or whatever you'd call them, you've probably heard of those

regal gale Oct 13, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Even IJ also have that "module" term 👀

oak coyote Oct 13, 2020, 10:52 AM

#

Why does minecraft source not behave

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java.io.FileNotFoundException: minecraft:venice/splash.png

📎 unknown.png

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like what?

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if i go into a different file it exists

distant sun Oct 13, 2020, 10:54 AM

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Is that a texture pack?

oak coyote Oct 13, 2020, 10:54 AM

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it's a splash page

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so it shows up when the instance is loading

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but i don't want to go any further if i can't seem to load files as something is clearly wrong

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as i will need more assets later on

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            splash = new ResourceLocation("venice/splash.png");
``` ^ the line it complains about

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 10:58 AM

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@frigid badge efficient map/shapefile rendering. I have base map cached in buffered image. Also lots of map "features" I currently store their bounds and get them when click is detected. Need some cool hashing method to easily get whats at X, Y without looping through thousands of objects and checking bounds

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spatial hash e.g

eager patio Oct 13, 2020, 11:37 AM

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i have some problem any body help me ?

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first i say sorry for my bad english

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im from turkey

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i send a stringlist message

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how i do that

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have color support

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 11:41 AM

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loop over the list and color each string

eager patio Oct 13, 2020, 11:47 AM

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no no no so like this

messages:

"&cHey there"
"&cThanks for using my plugin"

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            for (String msg : msgs) {
                p.sendMessage(ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&',msg).replace(cname, name));
                return;
            }```

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that is work ?

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Don't return

eager patio Oct 13, 2020, 11:50 AM

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okey

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but i use PlayerJoinEvent

frank pewter Oct 13, 2020, 11:51 AM

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That changes nothing it should still work

eager patio Oct 13, 2020, 11:54 AM

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doesnt work

brittle depot Oct 13, 2020, 11:55 AM

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HI

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i have a question

compact perchBOT Oct 13, 2020, 11:55 AM

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There is no time to wait! Ask your question @brittle depot!

brittle depot Oct 13, 2020, 11:56 AM

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What is the placeholder to see the online players (example: 50/100)

eager patio Oct 13, 2020, 11:57 AM

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https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/mvdw-placeholders/

brittle depot Oct 13, 2020, 11:57 AM

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And here I was there

frank pewter Oct 13, 2020, 11:58 AM

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What doesnt work

eager patio Oct 13, 2020, 11:58 AM

#

?

frank pewter Oct 13, 2020, 11:58 AM

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Ok that wasnt cool

eager patio Oct 13, 2020, 11:58 AM

#

im just try helping

compact perchBOT Oct 13, 2020, 12:05 PM

#

📋 Your paste, Mixer

https://paste.helpch.at/nafenuzovu

A member of staff has requested I move your message to a paste,
Most likely beacause it contains a config/error/code snippet.

frank pewter Oct 13, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Put large text on a paste website

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Yeah that

obtuse gale Oct 13, 2020, 12:16 PM

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yes

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but kotlin still greater

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 12:37 PM

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Whats new in java 15?

quiet depot Oct 13, 2020, 12:42 PM

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records

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 12:44 PM

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text blocks too iirc

pseudo owl Oct 13, 2020, 1:33 PM

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i finally figured out how to use cache

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thanks for helps

reef maple Oct 13, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Hi,
I got this message when i want to compile (shaded) my plugin with org.apache.commons inside my pom.xml (dependency and plugin).

Usually the compilation ends with 3 files with one shaded with more weight, now all the files are exactly the same, without changes in the pom.xml

Any idea of what can do this ? '-'
https://paste.helpch.at/dalurunahe.coffeescript

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Do you want the pom or the error generated in minecraft after the try ? (I known about the miscompilation only after the error on my serv)

#

POM.xml
https://paste.helpch.at/loreraqiwo.xml

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On the plugin, it seems not find the classes :/

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Oh, nevermind, the problem comes from that I get the original jar in the plugin folder and it use it (with a different name, I didn't see it before ^^)

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 3:00 PM

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@frigid badge efficient map/shapefile rendering. I have base map cached in buffered image. Also lots of map "features" I currently store their bounds and get them when click is detected. Need some cool hashing method to easily get whats at X, Y without looping through thousands of objects and checking bounds
@heady birch seems like you already have the solution?

#

but can you provide a better explanation of what you mean

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Well @frigid badge really just a good way to structure a map application

Map
MapLayer
MapPanel e.g

best way of caching all those bounds (surely quite a bit of memory) - considering only caching whats in the viewport. Then even harder repainting only what needs repainting (dynamically sized map objects) path2d best bet

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 3:41 PM

#

is your current system slow then?

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:38 PM

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i belive there is no like Map in java that auto sorts by values?

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 4:40 PM

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There's one that sorts by keys iirc?

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:40 PM

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doesnt help me since i can have 2 same keys then

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 4:40 PM

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or I'm thinking of a list possibly

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:40 PM

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i need map

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 4:40 PM

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"2 of the same keys" what. that's not how maps work

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:41 PM

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thats why i need to sort values

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if i switched key/value it would break it

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 4:41 PM

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if i switched key/value it would break it
duh.

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What's your use case? Feels like you're trying to do something wierd

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:41 PM

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well you bringed out that treemap that sorts keys that i dont need to sort?

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http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/hph6clsn.png

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leaderboard

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i kinda want faster way than current one

#

problem is also i cant get index of some entered key

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 4:42 PM

#

If you want faster then you don't want to use streams

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 4:42 PM

#

Why are you using a map for a leaderboard?

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:42 PM

#

what should i use then?

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Don't you want a list?

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:42 PM

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no?

#

how would i then know whats users value?

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Normal for loop

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:43 PM

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how would the loop look then?

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Kotlin forEach: 2345.5ns
Kotlin for: 341.7ns
Java stream: 7951.1ns
Java for: 378.4ns

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:43 PM

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interesting

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 4:44 PM

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neat, TIL

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:44 PM

#

any idea how i can change my current stream Matt?

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Hmm i guess you could apply some fast sorting algorithms to it, idk much though, only one i know is bubble sort kek

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:46 PM

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well i kinda iant good with algorithms

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 4:48 PM

#

Hmm I has idea

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 4:49 PM

#

There are a few examples if you search for it on stack overflow
Though how often does the map change?
You could cache the sorted map (that you sorted with a stream) then do sortings whenever data changed

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 4:49 PM

#

https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/collections/interfaces/order.html
Make a model class containing the Player and their score, implement comparable, store in a List, and sort? Feels like it's not that bad actually

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am I crazy? That should work right?

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Sorting a map by value is a bad idea

#

Hmm i guess you could apply some fast sorting algorithms to it, idk much though, only one i know is bubble sort
@ocean quartz Collections.sort

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You basically never need to implement a sorting algorithm yourself

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As long as the language is vaguely modern

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 4:50 PM

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yeah see my link

#

Make a model class, implement comparable (not difficult), then store said model in a list and just Collections.sort

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:52 PM

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so i would make new class that would contain idk UUID and value? and then store that in list that i would later on sort somehow?

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 4:52 PM

#

Interesting you quoting my message made it change the emote

#

BM don't let me forget to do relocations for PDM 😩

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Eh

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:53 PM

#

but i kinda don't want to rework my entire work 😦

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 4:54 PM

#

Piggy has already done most of the work i think

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 4:55 PM

#

oh

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 4:56 PM

#

but i kinda don't want to rework my entire work 😦
Welcome to developing. You need to refactor stuff all the time. Currently I'm in the process of completely rewriting my bot from scratch. A simple change like that won't take too long

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 4:59 PM

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but i did it twice already 😦

#

and i realy have no idea how i could do it properly.

#

eh

#

will see

#

and make it 🙂

#

probably a good idea to make class(object) like you said for player and its value 😉 then just sort list of them

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:03 PM

#

refactoring is arguably more important than writing

#

I say that as a massive hypocrite

#

But it's true

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 5:04 PM

#

Begging to differ, if you have no code written, you can't refactor it

surreal quarry Oct 13, 2020, 5:05 PM

#

not with that attitude you cant

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:05 PM

#

^

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 5:05 PM

#

well its already written so i guess its a refactor 🙂

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 5:05 PM

#

lmao fair enough

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:05 PM

#

Begging to differ, if you have no code written, you can't refactor it
@umbral mica a skilled refactorer can make something work with as little as 1 line

dusky drum Oct 13, 2020, 5:05 PM

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interesting

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 5:06 PM

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/**

Created by ${USER} on ${DATE}.
*/

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How do I delete this

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:06 PM

#

File template

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 5:06 PM

#

Yes

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:06 PM

#

Java

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 5:06 PM

#

Cant delete

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:06 PM

#

pleadingUWU

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 5:06 PM

#

Also if you contribute to an already-written project I guess

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Just emptied it seems to work

#

What the heck is this java module stuff

#

Caused by: java.lang.IllegalAccessError: superclass access check failed: class com.sun.javafx.scene.control.ControlHelper (in unnamed module @0x3ee56503) cannot access class com.sun.javafx.scene.layout.RegionHelper (in module javafx.graphics) because module javafx.graphics does not export com.sun.javafx.scene.layout to unnamed module @0x3ee56503

#

What is a java module?

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 5:16 PM

#

what on earth

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:16 PM

#

0xcafebabe

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 5:30 PM

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ok sick of this please fix it for me

#

need to use some stupid javafx maven plugin

onyx loom Oct 13, 2020, 5:31 PM

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insert gradle plug here

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 5:32 PM

#

nah

#

its probably some third party chinese make do

#

like shadowjar

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:33 PM

#

gradlefx

half harness Oct 13, 2020, 5:33 PM

#

btw is making an api as easy as just making a public class and methods?

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 5:33 PM

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no

#

use servicesmanager

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:34 PM

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@half harness pretty much

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 5:34 PM

#

FactoryFinder.find(CoolFactory.class)

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 5:35 PM

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@half harness usually you want a layer of abstraction in there though i.e. separate interface/impl

half harness Oct 13, 2020, 5:35 PM

#

@half harness usually you want a layer of abstraction in there though i.e. separate interface/impl
welp i have no clue what that means :/

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 5:36 PM

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If you don't know what an interface is, you shouldn't be making an API.

#

Interfaces are a core part of java

half harness Oct 13, 2020, 5:36 PM

#

ok

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 5:37 PM

#

make your api class private

half harness Oct 13, 2020, 5:37 PM

#

wut

#

how does the plugin get the method?

#

if its private

static zealot Oct 13, 2020, 5:38 PM

#

you're talking to Niall ...

#

xD

umbral mica Oct 13, 2020, 5:38 PM

#

dkim; public interface

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 5:41 PM

#

@prisma wave who are your favourite programming orgnisation or favourite programmer?

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:41 PM

#

Rust Lang rich hickey ElaraLang/elara-rewrite

#

Idk I don't have a favourite really

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 5:42 PM

#

foiled my plan

#

"<your organisation> shares 10 points on why gradle should never be used"

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:42 PM

#

☹️

#

Rich hickey would never say such a thing

half harness Oct 13, 2020, 5:43 PM

#

what's the "maximum" size of a class?

#

how many lines should it be

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:45 PM

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very subjective

#

Personally I'd say you should probably avoid anything above 200-400 likes unless you have a good reason, but generally the smaller the better

onyx loom Oct 13, 2020, 5:45 PM

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minimum of 1000 lines

#

main classes should have atleast 10000 lines however

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 5:47 PM

#

😐

#

moderators we have a "prankster" on our hands

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 5:58 PM

#

=yeet @onyx loom

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 6:13 PM

#

I've a slight question to ask, so this website which is managed by the bus transporting company here, is honestly fucking trash, (unresponsive), so I'm wondering if there's anyway I'd be able to get access to their api or someshit. Should I send them an email or what? (So I could whip something up for myself cause it's annoying af)

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:13 PM

#

what's the website

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 6:14 PM

#

arriva.si

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I've looked a bit, but haven't dived into it massively so might've missed something

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:15 PM

#

what you mean it isn't responsive

#

smh

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Well the location search bar spazzes out a lot, assuming it caches data, meaning you have to open a new tab instead of just being able to refresh and it'd let you change the destination

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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it's made using wordpress lmfao

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Not surprised to be honest, like it takes 4 tabs to search for the buses so I can get home

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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they don't have an api from what I can see

#

it's just a ASP.net application

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Which means what exactly

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:17 PM

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only the station/location bar uses an 'api'

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 6:17 PM

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That's what I need probably

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:19 PM

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lol https://i.lemmotresto.com/2020-10-13--02-19-17pm.png

#

you need a token though

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 6:20 PM

#

You think I'd be able to email them about something for this?

#

Since I know I wouldn't let some 18 year old mess with my shit lol

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:21 PM

#

I mean just email lol

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 6:22 PM

#

Thank you for your wisdom kind Lemmo

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:22 PM

#

here's some documentation https://arriva.si/wp-json

#

idk if it contains any useful endpoints though

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Not gonna lie, I've honestly no idea what I'm looking at, but I'll google it when I have the chance

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:25 PM

#

probably best is to scrape it

#

the token is just a timestamp

#

probably any timestamp within a certain range will work

#

let me test that

#

just have to find out what they do with the timestamp to form the token

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Much love Lemmo <3

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:44 PM

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okay so

#

the token gets send within the initial request

#

in the html document

#

the token & timestamp have to match and have something in common with each other

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 6:47 PM

#

Ugh, can't decide this, so I really want to write the config lib in Kotlin, but idk if i should cuz it'd limit it to mostly Kotlin only
If any of you were to use a config lib i made would you use it in Java?

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:49 PM

#

if it's a good library yea

#

@hot hull I'd love to dissect the entire application but can't right now, let me know if you still don't have a way tomorrow and I'll have time to dissect it 😉

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Im not gonna help you mat

#

make your own deciison

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lol

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:50 PM

#

says u

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 6:50 PM

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I asked this same thing ages ago on an unrelted note

#

Java all the way

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 6:51 PM

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@frigid badge I'm legit busy af for this and the next week, so I doubt I'll have much time to look into it

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:51 PM

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ah okay then I'll probably try and do some def legal things

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Intellij keeps doing this stupid thing

#

Create new project

#

It opens the desktop

hot hull Oct 13, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Kek Lemmo

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Changing the project location doesnt make a difference at all

#

Cant remember how Ifixed it before

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:52 PM

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what version

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 6:52 PM

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latest

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 6:52 PM

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ah weird

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 6:52 PM

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like the latest latest

#

but it happened before

#

If I delete a project then re-create it 2 or 3 times

wispy flax Oct 13, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Anyone know what to call these tag things where you have a solid background with text over it in the nametag?https://i.imgur.com/spcX4A1.png
https://i.imgur.com/4NkQqup.png

(https://imgur.com/a/21JiS8P)

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Cool, it must be a font

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Or resource pack thing

wispy flax Oct 13, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Oh, so it cant be achieved through a plugin or something?

heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Not sure

onyx loom Oct 13, 2020, 7:07 PM

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@ocean quartz if u wrote it in kotlin, how limiting(?) would it be for using it in java? i dont know much about kotlin -> java

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at the end of the day its ur choice ofc, but save urself the pain from java fingerguns

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Well, if it's a plugin, that's 1.4MB more to your Jar

onyx loom Oct 13, 2020, 7:08 PM

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oh true 😂

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who cares about jar size tho fr

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Well, some do, for example I don't use coroutines for the simple fact that the jar gets close to 5mb

onyx loom Oct 13, 2020, 7:09 PM

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insert pdm here

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I'll do Java

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Cuz i wanna expand it later

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 8:04 PM

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any way of finding Levenshtein distance that's built into spigot?

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i.e in an apache util

onyx loom Oct 13, 2020, 8:04 PM

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a what what what

obtuse gale Oct 13, 2020, 8:05 PM

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leviosa?

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 8:06 PM

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eh

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use jaccard index

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or uh Jaro Winkler simmilarity

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or both pick a side

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twix

obtuse gale Oct 13, 2020, 8:10 PM

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Math.floor(loc.distance(otherLoc)) 👌

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 8:23 PM

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@frigid badge ah yeah i know what those mean lemme just whip up a little solution in rust java kotlin elara c# and clojure and I'll publish to central

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nah it's fine, I ended up just shading commons-text which is pretty small

frigid badge Oct 13, 2020, 8:23 PM

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lmao

prisma wave Oct 13, 2020, 9:27 PM

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😦

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heady birch Oct 13, 2020, 9:50 PM

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i.e in an apache util
@prisma wave Well well well

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Look who couldn't survive without depending on apache

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apache > * > google

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Mixins in Fabric API are great kek

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obtuse gale Oct 13, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Matt

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w h a t t h e f u c k

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Hey don't judge me i am having fun

ocean quartz Oct 13, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Ooo you can even change textures

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quiet depot Oct 13, 2020, 11:07 PM

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@prisma wave use fuzzy wuzzy

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https://github.com/xdrop/fuzzywuzzy

GitHub

xdrop/fuzzywuzzy

Java fuzzy string matching implementation of the well known Python's fuzzywuzzy algorithm. Fuzzy search for Java - xdrop/fuzzywuzzy

obtuse gale Oct 13, 2020, 11:37 PM

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us devs should leave project names to PR people

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"fuzzywuzzy"....

nova topaz Oct 14, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Do barrier blocks cause any lag in a server when used?

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 12:30 AM

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They can but that would be client sided afaik

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Not plausible it would cause any server lag

nova topaz Oct 14, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Okay.

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Tbh would probably only cause lag to the client if the player is holding the barrier item

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 12:36 AM

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we all know odd people exist, even in minecraft

half harness Oct 14, 2020, 1:09 AM

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how do I get the length of a string list?

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getConfigurationSection().getStringList().

surreal quarry Oct 14, 2020, 1:12 AM

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isn't it just .length

half harness Oct 14, 2020, 1:12 AM

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no

surreal quarry Oct 14, 2020, 1:12 AM

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at least for arrays im pretty sure

half harness Oct 14, 2020, 1:12 AM

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yes

surreal quarry Oct 14, 2020, 1:12 AM

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.size maybe

half harness Oct 14, 2020, 1:12 AM

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yepp

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thx 🙂

surreal quarry Oct 14, 2020, 1:12 AM

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np

half harness Oct 14, 2020, 1:12 AM

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I was worried it would do something weird

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wait

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what do I put in getStringList()?

surreal quarry Oct 14, 2020, 1:14 AM

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the path in the config

half harness Oct 14, 2020, 1:14 AM

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wut

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getConfig().getStringList()?

surreal quarry Oct 14, 2020, 1:14 AM

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so like

path:
  to:
    list:
      - "some"
      - "other"```
`getConfig().getStringList("path.to.list")`

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something like that

half harness Oct 14, 2020, 1:15 AM

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ah thx

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😄

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One last question

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in the string list, does it start at 0 or 1?

surreal quarry Oct 14, 2020, 1:17 AM

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0

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everything is 0 indexed

half harness Oct 14, 2020, 1:18 AM

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thx once again! 🙂

surreal quarry Oct 14, 2020, 1:18 AM

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👍

half harness Oct 14, 2020, 1:21 AM

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How do I get placeholders?
If I have a config and you can put %name%, and it replaces that with e.getPlayer().getName(), how do I do that?

surreal quarry Oct 14, 2020, 1:21 AM

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String#replace(old, new)

half harness Oct 14, 2020, 1:22 AM

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ah thanks!

surreal quarry Oct 14, 2020, 1:22 AM

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so like "%name% is a player".replace("%name%", player.getName())

half harness Oct 14, 2020, 1:22 AM

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🙂 thx so much

hasty flower Oct 14, 2020, 3:33 AM

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@heady birch It's 31 chars counting color codes &6PvPing&eMC &7┃ &fpvpingmc.net

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It cuts off the t in .net

distant sun Oct 14, 2020, 5:08 AM

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Cant write just PvPingMC.net ?

obtuse gale Oct 14, 2020, 5:13 AM

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no

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you just can't do that

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alrighty

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how do i setup like a git repo for one thing, but multiple platforms for it kidna thing

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modules or whatever its called

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do I just make like a multi-module IJ project somehow

obtuse gale Oct 14, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Gotta love JDA

umbral mica Oct 14, 2020, 6:13 AM

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what on earth are you doing

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What's causing that?

obtuse gale Oct 14, 2020, 6:14 AM

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A shit ton of event waiters, and .queues

umbral mica Oct 14, 2020, 6:14 AM

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It seems you have discovered callback hell

obtuse gale Oct 14, 2020, 6:14 AM

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indeed

umbral mica Oct 14, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Might want to see if you can refactor into a less arrow-y thing lol

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also indentation whack lol https://i.imgur.com/v7WEGHM.png

Imgur

heady birch Oct 14, 2020, 7:22 AM

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@hasty flower If you upgrade to 1.13 the limit is considerably larger

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@hasty flower What kiteboard version

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 7:46 AM

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@obtuse gale doesnt JDA allow allow you to map stuff like that so you don’t have to experience a callback hell?

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 7:46 AM

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Depends

obtuse gale Oct 14, 2020, 7:46 AM

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Idk

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It's event waiters as well

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 7:47 AM

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I mean RestAction#flatMap would solve it in most cases

obtuse gale Oct 14, 2020, 8:25 AM

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what does that do

oak coyote Oct 14, 2020, 10:52 AM

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Something I want to ask here is would be removing the if statements from the schedulers loops worth it and provide a improvement to how the code is ran or is it obsolete

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For example if I have a Boolean of “up” which depending on if it’s true or false depends if the code does y++ or y—

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As I could in theory have 2 separate loops which activate depending on if it’s up or down or just one which loops over that if statement within it

hasty flower Oct 14, 2020, 10:57 AM

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@hasty flower What kiteboard version
@heady birch Latest Version (3.2.2)

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@hasty flower If you upgrade to 1.13 the limit is considerably larger
@heady birch It should still work with 32 chars on 1.8 no? It works with featherboard but that plugin is laggy

heady birch Oct 14, 2020, 11:10 AM

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It should not sure why it isn't most likely I made amath error somewhere

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Will check

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 11:39 AM

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@oak coyote afaik 1 bigger task is usually better as the compiler has a better chance of optimising things

oak coyote Oct 14, 2020, 12:14 PM

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alright good to know

distant sun Oct 14, 2020, 12:49 PM

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depends on your computer, project size, build tool

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for example, gradle can build almost instantly if the file exist and the project is small because it compiles only the changed files

hot hull Oct 14, 2020, 1:39 PM

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Eclipse doodoo reversed_fingerguns

onyx loom Oct 14, 2020, 1:46 PM

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u doodoo

static zealot Oct 14, 2020, 1:47 PM

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we all doodoo

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 1:50 PM

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U have doodoo

static zealot Oct 14, 2020, 1:51 PM

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U2

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 1:53 PM

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what does that do
@obtuse gale
It’s a Function<T, RestAction<R>> so you could pass in this for example:
sendMessage(“idk”)
.queue()
.flatMap(Message::delete)

instead of
sendMessage(“idk”)
.queue(msg -> msg.delete())

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Essentially it allows you to create sort of a builder pattern instead of nesting it

reef maple Oct 14, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Can we detect the player hand that shoot an arrow ? I can get the bow but not the hand (and if both hands got the exact same item, I can't see which hand did that)

umbral mica Oct 14, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Can't you only shoot bows from the primary hand?

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 2:41 PM

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I don’t think

reef maple Oct 14, 2020, 2:42 PM

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No, you can shoot from the secondary hand if your main hand can't shoot

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If you have a sword in your main hand, you can shoot with the arrow in the off hand

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 2:43 PM

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I think you might need to do some packet listening to achieve a good design of your problem

reef maple Oct 14, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Mh okay.

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Did he actually say this wtf

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prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 2:57 PM

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JavaPlugin

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Whoever said that is possibly the dumbest person alive, whether it's true or not

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That's literally the point of object oriented programming????

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Exactly lol

unreal briar Oct 14, 2020, 3:01 PM

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it's possible it refers to specific classes like 'Player"

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where changes in the implementation may lead to other plugins having incompatibilities

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:01 PM

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unreal briar Oct 14, 2020, 3:01 PM

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so it is generally deferred behavior.

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Found it lol

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Anyone sane wouldn't be implementing Player anyway

unreal briar Oct 14, 2020, 3:01 PM

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haha

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minigames

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there are many counterexamples

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Also, that's not Bukkit's responsibility - it should define a contract for an interface, and if an implementation breaks the contact, that's their problem

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Exactly

unreal briar Oct 14, 2020, 3:03 PM

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i think you can still do it, but it's just not commonly done

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:03 PM

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I have never encountered any problems with implementing inventoryholder, and all my search there was people saying "can cause problems" but never tell which problems

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Now true InventoryHolder is presumably an internal class, but if that's the case:

why is it in the API?
why not make an alternative that isn't "use a HashMap"

unreal briar Oct 14, 2020, 3:04 PM

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because bukkit is bukkit

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you can't expect too much

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:04 PM

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That's such a dumb idea

unreal briar Oct 14, 2020, 3:04 PM

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sadly i've seen so much dumb stuff in the community, i've gotten used to it

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you need to make stuff fool-proof

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:05 PM

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I remember when people used to implement InventoryHolder which caused weird side effects really
@steel heart The side effects are?

obtuse gale Oct 14, 2020, 3:05 PM

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So just because the LuckPerms API is all full of interfaces does that mean you should go around implementing all of them?

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Completely violates the open closed principle too

unreal briar Oct 14, 2020, 3:05 PM

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and some projects (eg: bukkit) weren't thought out that well

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they were maintained for a long time and eventually became worse and worse

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extra bodges, extra mess-ups, extra unwanted behaviour

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:06 PM

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The idea of interfaces and stuff like that if so you can extend on them and create your own implementations, that's the whole point of OOP

onyx loom Oct 14, 2020, 3:06 PM

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oopoop

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:07 PM

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spigot bad in conclusion

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:07 PM

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You can argue the same for many things, Bukkit uses NMS classes and implements stuff, "The original minecraft server was never meant to be implemented by APIs, creating bukkit was never intended" Lol

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Matt iirc there is certain blocks that implements it and I think that it was messing with the event part but I don’t really remember just know that it’s a bad practice

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:08 PM

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The problem is, there's no better practice

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 3:09 PM

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There is ?

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Apart from encapsulation which is extremely verbose

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Just keep the inventory instances and compare?

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Messy

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Never had any issue with it, would not consider it bad practice either, it's an intended part of the language lol

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 3:09 PM

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How is it intended?

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:10 PM

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It's probably a bad practice because nms is messy and it could break, but it should be fixed rather than discredited imo

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I've never had any problems with it

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Because inheritance is part of Java (i was talking about how it's part of the language)
That's not my point though

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Idk I had some issues with it well I mean if you haven’t encountered it perhaps it was just me

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Oh yeah Matt that’s true

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:12 PM

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The server keeps an instance of the inventory, why keep another instance

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Indeed

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Like bm said if it causes issues fix it instead of discrediting it

obtuse gale Oct 14, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Not really, ever seen how a cpp library is structured? You have the header files which are analogous to the interfaces (they define the signatures and declarations of classes and functions, but don't contain the actual implementation source), and then the translation units that "implement" (define) those functions and classes. When you work with the library, you interface with the header files, and compile with the compiled library binary. Now cpp is way more resistant and stronger than that because "it tries" to do as much as it can at compile time, and while there are workarounds to it, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I think of APIs as bridges between my software and another software that already implements the API, and unless something is explicitly marked as "should be implemented by the end user", it's because the other end will take care of it.
Just because inheritance exists in that form and someone uses interfaces instead of exposing the actual implementation (using bukkit and cb as an example, due to legal reasons), doesn't mean you should use it in that form.

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Yeah I fixed it with comparing ==

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So basically removed InventoryHolder and it worked

obtuse gale Oct 14, 2020, 3:14 PM

#

So just because the LuckPerms API is all full of interfaces does that mean you should go around implementing all of them?
So no, I don't think you should do that.

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Fefo good point

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Not really, ever seen how a cpp library is structured? You have the header files which are analogous to the interfaces (they define the signatures and declarations of classes and functions, but don't contain the actual implementation source), and then the translation units that "implement" (define) those functions and classes. When you work with the library, you interface with the header files, and compile with the compiled library binary. Now cpp is way more resistant and stronger than that because "it tries" to do as much as it can at compile time, and while there are workarounds to it, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I think of APIs as bridges between my software and another software that already implements the API, and unless something is explicitly marked as "should be implemented by the end user", it's because the other end will take care of it.
Just because inheritance exists in that form and someone uses interfaces instead of exposing the actual implementation (using bukkit and cb as an example, due to legal reasons), doesn't mean you should use it in that form.
@obtuse gale
The open closed principle says that a class should be closed for modification, but open for extension. Extending a class is the simplest way of doing that. Bukkit saying that classes shouldn't be extended is dumb

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Thanks for the XP btw

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:15 PM

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^

obtuse gale Oct 14, 2020, 3:15 PM

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lmao

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Use InventoryHolder if you think it’s good I’m personally discouraged from it

onyx loom Oct 14, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Not really, ever seen how a cpp library is structured? You have the header files which are analogous to the interfaces (they define the signatures and declarations of classes and functions, but don't contain the actual implementation source), and then the translation units that "implement" (define) those functions and classes. When you work with the library, you interface with the header files, and compile with the compiled library binary. Now cpp is way more resistant and stronger than that because "it tries" to do as much as it can at compile time, and while there are workarounds to it, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I think of APIs as bridges between my software and another software that already implements the API, and unless something is explicitly marked as "should be implemented by the end user", it's because the other end will take care of it.
Just because inheritance exists in that form and someone uses interfaces instead of exposing the actual implementation (using bukkit and cb as an example, due to legal reasons), doesn't mean you should use it in that form.
@obtuse gale The open closed principle says that a class should be closed for modification, but open for extension. Extending a class is the simplest way of doing that. Bukkit saying that classes shouldn't be extended is dumb.
thanks for xp btw

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also never used cpp

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Basically a public interface that isn't supposed to be implemented is dumb

onyx loom Oct 14, 2020, 3:17 PM

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so thanks for info 👍

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i need to learn interfaces, abstraction etc

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just too lazy 🌚

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 3:17 PM

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they're ez

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Yeah it's pretty straight forward

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Afaik it’s used to represent an InventoryHolder as a block holding an inventory iirc, like Beacon etc. I don’t know but the underlying implementation doesn’t like when you messing with that and implement InventoryHolder for inventories. Most cases I think it would work fine to implement it but I came across a scenario where it didn’t work. Anyways it’s not really smart to implement api interfaces unless stated as that can cause weird and unwanted side effects

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Just because Player interface exist and you want to add a method to it doesn’t mean you implement the Player interface

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Anything I missed?

obtuse gale Oct 14, 2020, 3:21 PM

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you missed me

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❤️

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 3:21 PM

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🤗

#

If you understand js fundamentals I don’t think

#

You should learn then.

umbral mica Oct 14, 2020, 4:40 PM

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ew javascript on backend

hasty flower Oct 14, 2020, 4:40 PM

#

Will check
@heady birch I believe it only does 30 chars when you use colors because if I use no color codes it fits 32

distant sun Oct 14, 2020, 4:41 PM

#

Does bukkit allocate memory or does something special for each plugin?
I thought about using a system similar to papi expansions but with 'plugins' and now I'm thinking if there will be any advantage over using normal plugins

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 4:43 PM

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No?

#

The JVM handles memory allocation

#

All bukkit really does is loads the classes

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 4:43 PM

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It just loads them with the classloader nothing more

distant sun Oct 14, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Great

hot hull Oct 14, 2020, 6:18 PM

#

@onyx loom I'm laying in bed and I get a random pong, like damn there's 5 other people who are online and I get pinged ;(

onyx loom Oct 14, 2020, 6:18 PM

#

fingerguns

#

u know im joking anyway, ♥️

hot hull Oct 14, 2020, 6:19 PM

#

Yes yes

frail glade Oct 14, 2020, 6:33 PM

#

Pog Gradle 6.7

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 6:41 PM

#

Time to test this org.gradle.vfs.watch=true stuff

onyx loom Oct 14, 2020, 6:52 PM

#

whats new in 6.7?

#

im still on 6.5 🙃

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 7:26 PM

#

gradle 2

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 7:36 PM

#

disgustedjiro

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Isn’t that what like forge is using?

ocean quartz Oct 14, 2020, 7:39 PM

#

Only old forge

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 7:47 PM

#

Any thoughts about netty over Java’s nio?

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 7:48 PM

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netty is nice

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 7:49 PM

#

I mean it seems fairy popular but what’s the actual benefits? It does the same NIO as java right?

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 7:50 PM

#

i'm not too sure about java's nio but netty is mostly pipeline based, and definitely nonblocking

#

the pipelines are pretty nice

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

Yeah pipelines are sexy

heady birch Oct 14, 2020, 7:53 PM

#

Netty

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Yeah, Niall would you recommend my future oracle employee?

heady birch Oct 14, 2020, 7:54 PM

#

Yes

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 7:54 PM

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"apache" employee

heady birch Oct 14, 2020, 7:54 PM

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but replay decoder

#

we do not talk about replay decoder

steel heart Oct 14, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Lol

flat flume Oct 14, 2020, 8:34 PM

#

how do i set target as %player% placeholder that can be used in the config ?

#

                        Player target = Bukkit.getPlayerExact("args[1]");
                        //action goes here.
                        player.sendMessage(Utils.chat("List.player-added"));```

#

this is my current code

#

(for the target)

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 8:35 PM

#

lol

#

remove the quotes around args[1]

onyx loom Oct 14, 2020, 8:35 PM

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String#replace("%player%, target.getName())

flat flume Oct 14, 2020, 8:35 PM

#

dont bully me

#

o

#

ruight

#

my brain

#

String#replace("%player%, target)
@onyx loom and that's it ?

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

target.getName()*

static zealot Oct 14, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

dont bully me
you came to the wrong place then my dude xD

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

@sxtanna

flat flume Oct 14, 2020, 8:36 PM

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you came to the wrong place then my dude xD
xDDDD

onyx loom Oct 14, 2020, 8:36 PM

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ah yea

flat flume Oct 14, 2020, 8:37 PM

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btw

#

what is this '#'

#

between string and replace

#

how does it even work

onyx loom Oct 14, 2020, 8:38 PM

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references the object u can use the method on

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 8:38 PM

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it's pseudocode

onyx loom Oct 14, 2020, 8:39 PM

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lets say Player#getName(), in ur case thatll translate to target.getName() for example

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Class#method means execute method on an instance of Class, whereas Class.method implies that method is static

#

yeah, it saves doing whateverYourPlayerVariableIsCalled.getName()

flat flume Oct 14, 2020, 8:39 PM

#

o

#

kk thx

#

                        Player target = Bukkit.getPlayerExact(args[1]);
                        player.sendMessage(Utils.chat("Banwave.player-added"));
                        String.replace("%player%", target.getName());```

#

is dis right

#

?

prisma wave Oct 14, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

um

#

probably not

#

Well definitely not

#

That's not how string replace works

quaint isle Oct 15, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Hey friends, if I run bukkit async tasks, will they also run on the same CPU core as the minecraft server is primarily is running on or can it make use of multiple cores for this kinda stuff?

ocean quartz Oct 15, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Async is ran in a different thread

quaint isle Oct 15, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Alright so if I wanna do somewhat resource intensive stuff (in my case read player advancements and stats from files and store them in a mysql DB) it should not impact my server ticks in any way, right?

ocean quartz Oct 15, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Yup ;p

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Hey, I want to host a minecraft server on my pc with some plugins where can i install bukkit/spigot? (that is safe)

quaint isle Oct 15, 2020, 12:36 AM

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@oak onyx https://papermc.io/ Just download a jar and run it

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:36 AM

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(Paper is a fork of Spigot that adds huge performance improvements. Most servers use it)

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Oh ok also another question i see tons on videos on setting it up and they use getbukkit.org

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:37 AM

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no

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:37 AM

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is that one safe aswell?

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:37 AM

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NO.

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Ok got it

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:37 AM

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That website can expose you to legal issues

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:37 AM

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oh

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:38 AM

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(Redistributing non-distributable code aka the mojang server code)

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Ah

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How is papermc.io different?

quaint isle Oct 15, 2020, 12:38 AM

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legal stuff aside, there isn't really a reason to use paper over bukkit tbh. Bukkit used to be what everyone was running but that was 5+ years ago

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:39 AM

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The jar that paper gives you is really small, it makes the changes to the vanilla server on your computer, which is legal

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So first run will take a long time while it actually makes the server jar

quaint isle Oct 15, 2020, 12:39 AM

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For you as a server owner, paper is pretty much the same as spigot but with some performance improvements slapped on top of it

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:40 AM

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I'd say a bit more than "some"

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You basically need all of Paper's optimizations in order to run a server on a modern version of MC with more than like 5 concurrent players

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Well I am just making it for me and some friends on a 1v1 server

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We just want to be able to copy the 1v1 arena so we don't have to rebuild it

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With world edit

quaint isle Oct 15, 2020, 12:42 AM

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I repeat, there is no reason not go with paper. All plugins that work on Spigot will work on paper as well.

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Ah ok

quaint isle Oct 15, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Paper is also more convenient to install since you really just have to doubleclick the executable 😄

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Uh you'll need to allocate more ram than the default 256mb or whatever, which needs a start script

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Ok but how is paper different from getbukkit.org how is that site Redistributing non-distributable code aka the mojang server code

frail glade Oct 15, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Paper doesn't distribute the code

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They distribute a mobile build-tools.

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:43 AM

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That is?

frail glade Oct 15, 2020, 12:44 AM

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When it says "Patching vanilla jar..." that's applying the code changes.

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Oh ok

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Basically when you run the server jar, it'll first download the vanilla minecraft server, then apply a bunch of changes

frail glade Oct 15, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Which is essentially Spigot build-tools.

quaint isle Oct 15, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Honestly, don't worry about the legal stuff if you're just hosting a server on your local PC for you and a couple friends.

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:45 AM

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getbukkit on the other hand is distributing pre-built versions of the server software, which is against Mojang's license since it contains their code

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:45 AM

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But i am safe from virus when using papermc

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:45 AM

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But yeah you don't really need to worry about it

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As long as you don't download sketchy plugins, yes

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Ok got it

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https://papermc.io/

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Right?

frail glade Oct 15, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Yup!

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:46 AM

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I don't see a 1.8 version?

quaint isle Oct 15, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Yes, make sure to download from that official website and only use plugins that have good rating and positive reviews - use some common sense 🙂

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Ok will do

quaint isle Oct 15, 2020, 12:46 AM

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https://papermc.io/legacy

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scroll down

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:46 AM

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ah 1.8...gotta love 6yo versions

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:ablobsigh:

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Ah i see 1.8.8

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By no support that mean no small updates right? But that will patch major exploit problems?

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Nope. They won't be backporting anything to legacy versions afaik

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:48 AM

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Ok

frail glade Oct 15, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Spigot doesn't even do that.

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Uhm i clicked on 1.16.3

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and nothing happened xd

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:51 AM

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?

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Can you get in a vc real quick?

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:51 AM

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nope

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Ok

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But yea i clicked download 1.16.3 and nothing happened

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:52 AM

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like on the downloads page?

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Yea like at the top it says you can download the latest versions of paper or waterfall here and i clicked paper 1.16.3 right below that

umbral mica Oct 15, 2020, 12:53 AM

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You need to click on a build to download (why they don't have a latest button, idk). Click where it says #231 at the top

oak onyx Oct 15, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Ah ok

obtuse gale Oct 15, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Spigot doesn't even do that.
@frail glade neither does mojang :kekw:

gentle coyote Oct 15, 2020, 12:43 PM

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Hey^^
I'm currently searching for the field name of the GameProfile of a EntityLiving. It was bT in older versions (1.8?) but that changed and I can't find anything related to that for my version (1.16.3).

obtuse gale Oct 15, 2020, 12:45 PM

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Well between 1.8 and 1.16.3, I would be surprised if the obfuscation maps AND the class's structures were the same LMAO

gentle coyote Oct 15, 2020, 12:46 PM

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Yeah, that's obvious

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I'm just trying to change the GameProfile of a Player

obtuse gale Oct 15, 2020, 1:04 PM

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@gentle coyote EntityHuman#bJ

gentle coyote Oct 15, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Thank you. I just found that Paper has an integrated PlayerProfile-API which I try to use for now

obtuse gale Oct 15, 2020, 1:05 PM

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oh yeah it does

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but there are a LOT of servers that still run pure Spigot instead

gentle coyote Oct 15, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Why tho lol

obtuse gale Oct 15, 2020, 1:05 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Paper exposes some really nice and useful APIs

gentle coyote Oct 15, 2020, 1:07 PM

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Oh wow the limit is still set to 16 chars? Player#setListName accepts names that are longer. I hate everything

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I thought that I heard that this limit was increased by now

regal gale Oct 15, 2020, 1:10 PM

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How in the hell

📎 idea64_iPMuKQKOdF.png

static zealot Oct 15, 2020, 1:10 PM

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oh no