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reef maple Sep 28, 2020, 3:41 PM

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reef maple Sep 28, 2020, 3:42 PM

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winter iron Sep 28, 2020, 3:57 PM

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winter iron Sep 28, 2020, 3:58 PM

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https://paste.helpch.at/umuzuqalar.java

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is it possible such that getInstance will return the casted instance of that class

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for example

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if I do ClassType.KING.getInstance() I want it to automatically return an instance of King rather than KingdomClass

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and same for Queen, Archer etc

quiet depot Sep 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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No, this isn't possible with enums

winter iron Sep 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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D:

quiet depot Sep 28, 2020, 3:59 PM

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try something like this

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public final class ClassType<T extends KingdomClass> {
    public static final ClassType KING = new ClassType("classes/king", King.class);

    private final Class<T> kingdomClass;
    private final DataFile dataFile;

    private ClassType(String path, Class<T> kingdomClass) {
        final Kingdoms plugin = JavaPlugin.getPlugin(Kingdoms.class);

        this.kingdomClass = kingdomClass;
        this.dataFile = new DataFile(plugin, path, true);
    }

    public T getInstance() {
        try {
            return (T) kingdomClass.newInstance();
        } catch (final Exception exception) {
            throw new AssertionError("i don't know how to code woops");
        }
    }
}```

obtuse gale Sep 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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No, this isn't possible with enums
how is it not? 🤔

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 4:04 PM

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enums can't be generic

obtuse gale Sep 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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the enum isn't generic

quiet depot Sep 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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it is

obtuse gale Sep 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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it isn't? it takes another class as generic (the constructor)

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 4:05 PM

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ClassType would need to have a type parameter for this to woerk

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ClassType<T extends KingdomClass>

quiet depot Sep 28, 2020, 4:06 PM

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@winter iron btw ^

winter iron Sep 28, 2020, 4:06 PM

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ye im looking thru it

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i have never used types or generics before

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so just tryna figure out whats going

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what is T

quiet depot Sep 28, 2020, 4:08 PM

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T is a generic type parameter

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T is just the name of the parameter

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it can be anything

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Y for example

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or R

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or X

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generally the letter represents something though

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T represents "type"

obtuse gale Sep 28, 2020, 4:09 PM

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https://paste.helpch.at/umuzuqalar.java
dude that is 100% valid

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 4:09 PM

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that's not what he's asking

quiet depot Sep 28, 2020, 4:09 PM

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that code is valid, but it's not what he wanted

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 4:09 PM

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he wants to have the true type of getInstance known at compile time

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which is impossible without generics

obtuse gale Sep 28, 2020, 4:11 PM

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is it possible such that getInstance will return the casted instance of that class
I mean it will be an instance of that, it's like say getItemMeta on a banner, it will return ItemMeta, but it will be an instance of BannerMeta or whatever

quiet depot Sep 28, 2020, 4:11 PM

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that's not what he wanted though

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he wanted the specific type to be returned

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not a super type

reef maple Sep 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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@ocean quartz any idea ? (sorry for the mention ^^')

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Oh, wasn't here, what is it again?

reef maple Sep 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Sorry ^^

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Same problem at line 35
https://paste.helpch.at/ucavegezox

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I have added the dependency

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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I mean, that means you're not adding it to your jar

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Can you send the entire pom?

reef maple Sep 28, 2020, 4:58 PM

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yes

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https://paste.helpch.at/ebakaboken.xml

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 4:59 PM

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I guess that should work, how are you building it?

reef maple Sep 28, 2020, 4:59 PM

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what do you mean by building it ?

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I use Maven lifecycle -> package

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Run mvn clean package and see if that'll do it

reef maple Sep 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Terminal at the project seed ?

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Either should do it, i prefer doing it on the IDE, creating a configuration for it

reef maple Sep 28, 2020, 5:02 PM

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command not found

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Try using the configuration, something like this

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reef maple Sep 28, 2020, 5:05 PM

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hmm, I have packaged, Build Success

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Yep, even after the clean package, i don't see any changes

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Sorry, haven't messed with maven in a while
Maybe it needs the shade plugin
Try adding
https://paste.helpch.at/xebamayeva.xml

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This to your plugins

reef maple Sep 28, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Okay

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commons-codec-1.15.jar, FE_Character-0.1.jar define 12 overlapping classes: 
  - org.apache.commons.codec.DecoderException
  - org.apache.commons.codec.EncoderException
  - org.apache.commons.codec.binary.BaseNCodec$Context
  - org.apache.commons.codec.BinaryDecoder
  - org.apache.commons.codec.Decoder
  - org.apache.commons.codec.BinaryEncoder
  - org.apache.commons.codec.binary.Base64
  - org.apache.commons.codec.binary.BaseNCodec
  - org.apache.commons.codec.binary.CharSequenceUtils
  - org.apache.commons.codec.CodecPolicy
  - 2 more...
maven-shade-plugin has detected that some class files are
present in two or more JARs. When this happens, only one
single version of the class is copied to the uber jar.
Usually this is not harmful and you can skip these warnings,
otherwise try to manually exclude artifacts based on
mvn dependency:tree -Ddetail=true and the above output.
See http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-shade-plugin/

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 5:22 PM

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If I had a dollar for everyone asking for pdm relocation I'd be able to hire someone to do it for me

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And by that I mean give me money

reef maple Sep 28, 2020, 5:22 PM

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gives a bucket to Elara

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it generate two files now, I suppose the original is my own plugin and the other one is mine + apache

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Three files: original, normal name and shaded.

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 5:30 PM

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gives a bucket to Elara
@reef maple dear god...

reef maple Sep 28, 2020, 5:30 PM

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x)

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 5:32 PM

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anyway

iron cobalt Sep 28, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Where can I verify the DeluxeChat purchase certificate I want to use 1.16.2

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 5:33 PM

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you should probably be using shaded

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@iron cobalt #spigot-linking

iron cobalt Sep 28, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Thank you !

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Interesting, was testing time it takes to sum the length of different strings in a list, the results where more different than i thought

Kt: 1.3174ms
Kt for: 0.0232ms
Jv stream: 3.3082ms
Jv for: 0.0526ms

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I'm assuming what made the firs one slow was the filterIsInstance

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So

var length = 0
for (node in parts) {
    if (node !is TextNode) continue
    length += node.text.length
}

Is faster than

val length = parts
        .filterIsInstance<TextNode>()
        .map { it.text.length }
        .sum()

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Both still faster than Java

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Hmm

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Most of the overhead probably comes from instantiating collections

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What's it like when using sumBy?

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Oh wow, speedy

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:35 PM

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And / or with sequences

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Kt: 0.1438ms
Kt for: 0.0212ms

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This is just changing to sumBy

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As sequence

Kt: 12.3816ms
Kt for: 0.0429ms

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Yeah thought so

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hmm

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are these average times or just running once?

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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huh

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Just one run, but doesn't change much to average

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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That doesnt seem right

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Seems odd that sequences are so slow

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Also the time includes the println() which i know it's what slows it even more

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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What string lists are you using to test matt?

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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But all of them has it, so it's still a good comparison

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📎 unknown.png

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Just simulating what it'd look like in the lib

hot hull Sep 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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0.0232ms I am sped

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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I feel like Java shouldnt be slower than kotlin in that case if anything

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Were you using the java stream API via kotlin by any chance?

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Yeah send the benchmark code and ideally take average times

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more reliable

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Doing some changes now yeah

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Alright here is my test code, i know it isn't exactly great for measuring but just wanted to have an idea of it
Also removed the println
https://paste.helpch.at/ezibidipar.cs
Results:

Kt: 0.00293ms
Kt for: 7.54E-4ms
Jv stream: 0.045081ms
Jv for: 8.01E-4ms

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Average of 100 runs

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:47 PM

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hmm

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you might as well display it in ns or us if you're dealing with sub 1 values

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Kt: 2345.5ns
Kt for: 341.7ns
Jv stream: 7951.1ns
Jv for: 378.4ns

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:48 PM

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there's also the possibility that some of the operations are getting optimized out

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Nah nah

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:48 PM

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since you don't actually do anything with the values

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Also bm

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#private

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:49 PM

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kk

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yeah those numbers look about right

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although kotlin is surprisingly slow

frigid badge Sep 28, 2020, 6:50 PM

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compare the bytecode for fun

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Yea checking rn

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Well, normal for is faster than Java's normal for, while kotlins "stream" is faster than java's stream

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Matt were you calling the stream api from kotlin?

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:50 PM

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sequences are significantly faster than streams most of the time

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so yeah

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Wdym Yugi?

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:51 PM

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definitely check bytecode / decompiled output

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Wdym Yugi?
I meant as in were you accessing the Java Streams API from kotlin code or directly from java

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 6:53 PM

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No, no way is it faster than java. Impossible

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:55 PM

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faster than

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than

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rhan

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rust

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 6:55 PM

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No

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Not possible

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:55 PM

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@old wyvern I have a Java class with the stream, then i call the class from Kotlin

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Biased benchmarks, typical

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:56 PM

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pub static fn

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Rust does not encourage the use of static 🙂

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:56 PM

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What operations did you have?

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Just print?

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Ada could beat this

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:56 PM

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oh sum

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:56 PM

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It's just

return parts.stream()
        .filter(TextNode.class::isInstance)
        .mapToInt(part -> ((TextNode) part).getText().length())
        .sum();

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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ada is ridiculous

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not exactly a "modern" language now is it

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Excuse me

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Niall

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move to Elara

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plz

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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procedure Main is
begin
Put_Line("Hello from ada")
null;
end Main;

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:58 PM

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you can print now

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c'mon

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 6:58 PM

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😑

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 6:58 PM

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fingerguns

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:59 PM

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procedure Main is
begin
Put_Line("Hello from ada")
null;
end Main;
@heady birch

print("Hello from Elara")```

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wow

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what a comparison

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Yo BM you still talk with Sx?

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 6:59 PM

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elara is cleaner in every way

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not any more lol, he unfriended me 😦

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not sure why

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Typical

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Deniers

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Elara would crash if I told it my name was 3

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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He got kicked from Paper's discord, then unfriended me, got rid of all his servers, and just disappeared 😦

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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o.o

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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ah yeah

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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What happened on paper's discord?

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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He told people to use kotlin too much

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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xD

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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that's actually the reason

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I think

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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🤷‍♂️

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Basically really dumb, he was arguing with Kotlin stuff, someone told him to drop, he didn't and got kicked

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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:/

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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He should have promoted Elara

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Kotlin help required

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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dont ask to ask

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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No main class found

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This is new issue

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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add Kt to the end

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Still have him on SnapChat, so might try talking

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I only experienced this a few minutes ago, no longer than 10

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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if it's a main file

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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This was working before, I do have Kt on the end

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Oh yeah I have him on snap too

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hmm

frigid badge Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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oh damn didn't know y'all snapchatted too

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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I will view the output

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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a little

frigid badge Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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circlejerking irl huh

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Nial is it on spigot?

frigid badge Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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;p

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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nahhh

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Tbh i really don't use it, just open stuff people send kek

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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A kotlin file with more than just a class acts like a package

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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yeah lol

frigid badge Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Tbh i really don't use it, just open stuff people send :kek:
this is so me lmfao

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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so that must be reflected in your path

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I dont fully understand snapchat

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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i've got streaks with a few people but I mostly just leave sx on read

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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This was all working fine, until I packaged it again

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My package is not in output jar

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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pretty sure it's mostly for sending nudes

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Typical

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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I just have it coz someone installed it on my phone when it was with them

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Kotlin

frigid badge Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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nah it really isn't

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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thonking

frigid badge Sep 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I used to be active on it like 3 years ago

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I have found 2 people from here on insta tho fingerguns

frigid badge Sep 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I mean you guys know my real name anyway

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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[WARNING] No sources found skipping Kotlin compile

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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max

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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src/main/kotlin @heady birch ?

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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What was your full name again lemm?

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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We all know your real name is Lemon

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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lenmo

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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yes

frigid badge Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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^^^

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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John Lemon

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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as I previously stated !!

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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xD

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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this was working fine !!

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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send the stacktrace

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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all i did was maven clean then maven package

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wh

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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maven

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Real picture of Lemmo

📎 fppsmalllustrewall_textureproduct750x1000.png

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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:/

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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PISS OFF

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😦

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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honestly what do you expect

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when you use maven with kotlin

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it's got like eighth class support

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barely even second class

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Gradle didnt even work so...

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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it did

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you're just bad

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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use maven with kotlin

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Third party chinese plugin just to shadow

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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third party

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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🙄

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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maven-shade-plugin

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org.apache

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outdated organisation

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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That's made by Apache

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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apache-maven-shade-plugin

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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I think we discussed this

onyx loom Sep 28, 2020, 7:09 PM

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yes

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apache bad

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gradle shadow good

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gradle good

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:10 PM

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apache is almost as bad as james himself

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also elara will come with a 1st party shading tool

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mark my words

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and it will be 18x faster than gradle

onyx loom Sep 28, 2020, 7:11 PM

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PDM

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no need for shading

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:12 PM

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ah yes

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the software that's in active development

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:22 PM

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[INFO]
[INFO] --- kotlin-maven-plugin:1.3.72:compile (compile) @ scope1090 ---
[WARNING] No sources found skipping Kotlin compile
No sources found skipping Kotlin compile

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[INFO]
[INFO] --- kotlin-maven-plugin:1.3.72:compile (compile) @ scope1090 ---
[WARNING] No sources found skipping Kotlin compile
No sources found skipping Kotlin compile

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:22 PM

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sounds like a maven problem

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:22 PM

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No sources

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You know what?

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☹️ sad face

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:22 PM

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🙍

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Ok so just running the program fixed it when I packaged it again

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So that means people who download it and mvn:package, it isn't gonna work

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For some reason I have to compile through IntelliJ run?

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:24 PM

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they should be doing gradle build

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Right

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If you can help me get gradle working

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Will it add a gradle wrapper thingy?

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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yeah

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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So people dont need to install gradle

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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mhm

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Magic, how can one accomplish this

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:25 PM

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IJ will do it when you make a new project

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or you can manually add one with gradle wrapper

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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My project is already made, in maven, switch to gradle

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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gradle init can attempt to convert from maven

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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bash: gradle: command not found

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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isn't perfect but it's a good start

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oh

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i assumed you would have it installed

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smh

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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i dont want to install it

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:26 PM

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ridiculous

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utterly ridiculous

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:27 PM

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TYPICAL gradle users, provide no solution to the problem at hand

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:28 PM

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typical maven users, can't take a little bit of initiative to solve a problem

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expect everything on a silver platter for them

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:29 PM

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yes

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Pretty sure I had a valid reason not to install gradle

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I dont think you did

onyx loom Sep 28, 2020, 7:36 PM

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never

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 7:37 PM

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oh yeah

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I am on mac

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It wants xcode

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:44 PM

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@ocean quartz
👀

📎 unknown.png

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Seems both kotlin eager and lazy streams both unfold to while loops with each step and the sumby is done with a for loop

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 7:47 PM

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What's the opposite of intense?

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Untense

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:47 PM

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mild?

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Nah

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 7:47 PM

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xD

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Yeah probably mild or subtle

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 7:49 PM

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outtense

obtuse gale Sep 28, 2020, 7:51 PM

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outloose

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 8:06 PM

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@old wyvern Seems pretty similar to my results
And yeah it unfolds into while loops with iterators, which i thought was interesting, i always thought it would be a for with ifs xD

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 8:07 PM

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😂

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I guess kotlin gets the advantage from that level of inlining

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Well, what to take from this, it's better to not use streams even if it's just small things like the count stuff i had, will be faster to just a loop to count the length in my case

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 8:08 PM

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damn

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I think I issue with not using lazy* sequences was memory complexity

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Also, what would Kotlin's internal access modifier compile into?

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 8:09 PM

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It just modifies the name

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It appends a $<ModuleName> to the end of the variable

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ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Huh, decompiles into public
But it's probably handled differently
Just curious how it'd behave trying to access internal from Java
internal is pretty useful

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I would love to write a premium plugin in Kotlin and have all sorts of crack protection in it, and see people trying to decompile it in Java to crack it kek

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Doesnt let me compile while accessing it

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I would love to write a premium plugin in Kotlin and have all sorts of crack protection in it, and see people trying to decompile it in Java to crack it :kek:
xD

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Looks lovely

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old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 8:13 PM

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god

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😂

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 8:25 PM

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if you want true obfuscation decompiled clojure is the way to go

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 8:27 PM

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That is actually not a bad idea

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 8:30 PM

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@static zealot if you haven't realised already, pdm is fixed. sorry for the wait

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or it should be fixed

static zealot Sep 28, 2020, 8:32 PM

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yeah it works now well at least I can use the version 0.0.28 but the error persists

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 8:33 PM

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hm

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can you send the code + error again?

static zealot Sep 28, 2020, 8:39 PM

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sure give me 2 minutes.

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welp the server just started rn. I rebuilt the jar and seems that it doesn't give an error anymore

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interesting.

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welp thanks anyways

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 8:50 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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pdm good

static zealot Sep 28, 2020, 8:51 PM

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yeah but I don't get it. Why does it break the jars when the repository is offline?

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 8:57 PM

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The gradle plugin is required to fetch the dependencies from build.gradle for pdm to import at runtime I guess?

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 8:57 PM

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I'm not sure exactly but pdm uses my repository as a mirror of maven central (as afaik you're not allowed to use maven central in production)

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Yeah pretty much

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 8:58 PM

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ah

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 8:58 PM

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The gradle plugin itself depends on common-lib from my repo, and every project queries the central mirror to fetch the jars

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 8:58 PM

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mmm

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:01 PM

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any mathematicians here?

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I forgot everything I learnt in school

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need help with a steadily increasing function that reaches a limit

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 9:18 PM

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What's the question

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 9:19 PM

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any mathematicians here?
@empty flint yes

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but sorry

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i must go now

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:21 PM

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I have this number b that represents brightness that I need to limit between 0.0 and 1.0. Now I also have two inputs: dark and light, both integers between 0 and MAX_INT.

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I need a function f(b, d, l) that returns a brightness between 0 and 1 where the higher d is, the lower the resulting brightness is and the higher l is, the higher the resulting brightness.

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so b' = f(b, d, l)

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:24 PM

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You already have a value for brightness?

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I think a good factor for the darkness would be something like 1/(x+1). If the dark value is 0, the factor is 1 and the brightness is unchanged.

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You already have a value for brightness?
@old wyvern Yes, I have a value for brightness and I am trying to make it lighter or darker

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old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:26 PM

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Also why do you have 2 variables to represent the same state in multiple ways

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:26 PM

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this is 1/(x+1) for x > 0

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:26 PM

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Darkness and lightness are related

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:26 PM

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yes, they are the reciprocal of each other. which means I basically need to find the reciprocal of 1/(x+1)

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but I forgot how that works

prisma wave Sep 28, 2020, 9:27 PM

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I don't think you can simplify that?

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:27 PM

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I don't want to simplify

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:28 PM

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That isnt a reciprocal relationship

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Light + Dark would be assumed to be 1 in brightness

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So you could consider darknesd just just negative values of brightness

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That way you can just simplify it to
b + (l-d)/max

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:29 PM

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what's max here?

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Expected maximum value of l/d

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:30 PM

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also what's to stop b + ... something to be more than 1.0?

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Expected maximum value of l/d
@old wyvern there is no expected value

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:30 PM

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You said it would be maxed out at Int.Max_Value correct?

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:31 PM

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yes but that's just theoretical. the step size should be heavily skewed towards the lower integerrs

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so a dark value of 1 to 2 is a much bigger difference than a dark value going from 563 to 564

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Thats possibly not a good choice

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:32 PM

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it's not linear

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:32 PM

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You need to know the upper limit

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To scale it down

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:32 PM

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there is none

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I can't change the requirements dude ^^

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Forget requirements, can you define the problem once again

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Precisely what you wanted

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:32 PM

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also I don't want to, it's an unnecessary limit that only serves to make my task of finding such a function easier. No practical reason to limit it other than that.

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ok so I have a brightness value between 0 and 1, right

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Not sure how you imagine scaling it down without an upper limit

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:33 PM

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I never said scaling it was the way to go

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so brightness value b between 0.0 and 1.0

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:34 PM

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You wanted to scale the change down to the range of brightness afaik

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Exactly my guy

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Ok let me ask you this

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You have x in the range of [0,inf]. Find a reversible function to map it to the range [0,1]

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:38 PM

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I need a function f that returns a value between 0.0 and 1.0 with inputs: initial brightness, darkness [0...MAX_INT], and light [0...MAX_INT] where if d-l==0, f returns b. Otherwise it's a monotonous function. I guess I could just say shade = l-d

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so let's simplify to f(b, s)

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the more positive s is, the closer b gets to 1, the more negative s is, the closer b gets to 0

heady birch Sep 28, 2020, 9:39 PM

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do scale

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:40 PM

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so the scale is [-INT_MAX, INT_MAX]

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I guess

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Yes

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:40 PM

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right let's do it this way

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Just divide s by Int_max

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:41 PM

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I'll give you concrete examples if you want

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b = 0.5, s = 3 -> should result in something like 0.75-0.9
b = 0.5, s = -3 -> should result in something like 0.25-0.1
b = 0.8, s = 3 -> should result in something like 0.95-0.99
b = 0.8, s = -3 -> should result in something like 0.05-0.01

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or whatever, scale it down a bit so that's s=30 and -30 instead of 3

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but really small digit s should be enough to bring that b close to 1

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Then whats the point of allowing larger numbers?

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:45 PM

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because there's no inherent limit.

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there's no reason to limit it

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Yes there is

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You just stated it yourself

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but really small digit s should be enough to bring that b close to 1

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You want small digits itself to be a large factor

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:46 PM

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forget the limit, it's skewed towards small digit numbers in both directions, think of it like a bell curve

old wyvern Sep 28, 2020, 9:46 PM

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But also want to allow larger numbers

empty flint Sep 28, 2020, 9:46 PM

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even with a limit, it's not a linear scale

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it's a gauss kernel

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forget the limit

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oh you know what I think I got it actually

ocean quartz Sep 28, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Adding legacy format support so people don't cry 😫
The way the default format works on spigot is funky
With the &l, &o, &m, &k, it resets on color

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So the way it'll interact with markdown is funky as well

obtuse gale Sep 28, 2020, 11:07 PM

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where can I change the max allocated memory for IJ? stupid brother put it at 12gb max and I can't find that on the general settings -.-

distant sun Sep 28, 2020, 11:48 PM

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Help tab @obtuse gale

obtuse gale Sep 29, 2020, 12:41 AM

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thx ily♥️

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Lol

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Actually showcase is good for this

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@prisma wave Teach me the ways of shadow jar!

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 8:31 AM

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What about it

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 8:31 AM

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How to

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 8:31 AM

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Add the plugin

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That's literally it

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 8:31 AM

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Plugin no exist

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Search marketplace instead

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😅

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 8:32 AM

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what

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no

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To plugins block

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 8:33 AM

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Lol

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📎 Screen_Shot_2020-09-29_at_09.34.01.png

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 8:35 AM

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the id is like com.github.johnrengelman.shadow or something

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 8:35 AM

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stupid

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 8:35 AM

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And then you need the version

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Latest is 6.0.0

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Just copy off docs

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 8:35 AM

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That's so stupid though

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You cant even make a working kotlin project without some third party plugin!

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 8:36 AM

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it is actually possible to do it in vanilla gradle

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But shadow has more features

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 8:36 AM

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I dont want more features

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I just want a working application

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Maven master but no gradle guru

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 8:37 AM

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well then shadow is the easiest way to do that

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it's possible in vanilla with a bit of tweaking of the jar task, but that doesn't support relocation or minimisation or anything

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But yeah literally all you need to do is add the plugin

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alternatively I think the 1st party application plugin can create a single executable with libraries bundled

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if you're actually serious about "3rd party bad"

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 8:50 AM

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configurating

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build successful

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 8:51 AM

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congratulation

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now you can do gradle shadowJar to build shaded jar

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ez

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 8:54 AM

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What

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No

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I want to be able to build it with gradle build

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Cant even find main class

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Typical

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How can I remove the gradle project

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Just delete the files?

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Oh WOW

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Look at that

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Run 1 command

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And maven has done it all, I rest my case

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 9:08 AM

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🙄

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Can I do var parameter in kotlin

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 9:26 AM

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no

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Always immutable

distant sun Sep 29, 2020, 9:33 AM

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let

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Is it only me or using extensions for event listeners is a bit weird to work with thonking1

obtuse gale Sep 29, 2020, 9:36 AM

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just you

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wdym working with tho

distant sun Sep 29, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Without having to use even.x.y.z

obtuse gale Sep 29, 2020, 9:37 AM

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I find it easier

distant sun Sep 29, 2020, 9:37 AM

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event.player > player / this.player

obtuse gale Sep 29, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Cos alot of the time with events I find myself doing something like

val player = event.player``` but I dont have to do that anymore

distant sun Sep 29, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Mhm maybe

next apex Sep 29, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Hi is there any option to suggest a cmd in chat clicking on a menu gui?

distant sun Sep 29, 2020, 10:00 AM

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No

next apex Sep 29, 2020, 10:02 AM

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just using tellraw '

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?

distant sun Sep 29, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Yes, only though json

next apex Sep 29, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Thank you ❤️

frigid badge Sep 29, 2020, 11:43 AM

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so this just became OS https://github.com/NationalSecurityAgency/ghidra

GitHub

NationalSecurityAgency/ghidra

Ghidra is a software reverse engineering (SRE) framework - NationalSecurityAgency/ghidra

quiet depot Sep 29, 2020, 12:13 PM

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wow

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wtf

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old wyvern Sep 29, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Yea they have an eclipse plugin

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heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 12:19 PM

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so this just became OS https://github.com/NationalSecurityAgency/ghidra
@frigid badge This has been open sourced for ages

GitHub

NationalSecurityAgency/ghidra

Ghidra is a software reverse engineering (SRE) framework - NationalSecurityAgency/ghidra

frigid badge Sep 29, 2020, 12:25 PM

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it hasn’t

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 12:25 PM

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Well over a couple of months

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Pretty sure I had seen this pre 2020

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Maybe later

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Oh I might be mistaken, it was free to download, not actually sure about open-source

quiet depot Sep 29, 2020, 12:27 PM

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it was open sourced april 2019 apparently

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📎 image0.png

ocean quartz Sep 29, 2020, 1:41 PM

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@heady birch Lmao that ghost ping xD

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Lol

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Did you see it?

ocean quartz Sep 29, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Saw the logs xD

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 1:42 PM

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😕

onyx loom Sep 29, 2020, 1:48 PM

#

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 3:12 PM

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is it OSS or just OS?

hot hull Sep 29, 2020, 3:12 PM

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OSS?

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 3:13 PM

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there is difference

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something can be open source but not have the legal actions for legal open source, like anything that you write and you made it for public is only OS while linux is OSS

hot hull Sep 29, 2020, 3:14 PM

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OSS meaning what exactly is what I'm asking

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 3:14 PM

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just sec

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 3:14 PM

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open source software

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 3:14 PM

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^^

hot hull Sep 29, 2020, 3:14 PM

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I see

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 3:14 PM

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there are standards for OSS

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that you have to follow

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 3:15 PM

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I need a program to make

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 3:15 PM

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OSI and FSF

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i need to make driver for serial comunication any idea how?=

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Rust, C, Ada 🙂

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 3:24 PM

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will look into it.

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 3:25 PM

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What kind of communication?

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Pascal

errant geyser Sep 29, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Elara

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 4:26 PM

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well sending data to windows from sensors (temps, humidity....)

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that data is gonna later be processed by program.

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Can do it in java

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https://fazecast.github.io/jSerialComm/

jSerialComm

jSerialComm : Platform-independent serial port access for Java

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javax.comm

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 4:29 PM

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interesting, but i probably have to loook in which lang that program is coded 🙂

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i kinda need to make some sort of driver like for mouse and that stuff

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so it works as soon as you plug it in

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you would just select port in program

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Kotlin: Unknown JVM target version: 1.7
Supported versions: 1.6, 1.8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
Found them!

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 4:46 PM

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any ideas on how to make rainbow wave on text like the glow effect? just rainbow

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Like what?

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 4:47 PM

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so it scrols colors

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Just in rainbow?

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 4:47 PM

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wave but rainbow

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yes

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Use kiteboard 😄

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 4:47 PM

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.,.

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not on scoreboard

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kinda want to expand your animations extension for HD

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Do you mean with 1.16 colours

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 4:48 PM

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yes

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 4:48 PM

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I might make it into a library

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 4:48 PM

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pls 😉

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wrong emoji

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😍

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Soon

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 4:49 PM

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🙂

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gonna try to make rainbow wave somehow

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 4:50 PM

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I am not sure how stable it is /likely to change

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I dont like releasing stuff if its not finished 100%

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 4:50 PM

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lel

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i mean i could kinda use hexUtils from nicole and just shift rainbow text by 1 for each frame i think

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 4:51 PM

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🙄

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 4:52 PM

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?

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for now while youre making that library.

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 4:58 PM

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First I must focus on de-coupling it from the placeholder api

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Also- its performance- is adequate- for the way its programmed, I don't like the way its programmed

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 4:59 PM

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then re-do it

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:)=

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ez solution XDD

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Yeah I brought it up ages ago, but haven't thought of a decent way to improve it yet

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 5:00 PM

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kinda making animations compatible with my new Holograms Plugin :9

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i made placeholder registry pretty much the same as HD version but works different, just creating placeholders is the samež

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my ENGLISH!

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 5:01 PM

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wow

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much like holographic extension 🙄

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😅

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 5:01 PM

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private use 🙂

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 5:01 PM

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No problem

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 5:11 PM

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he he:
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/kusp2vu9.gif

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fixed version first one wasnt correctly metting up
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/dmongpo5.gif

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Nice

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 6:36 PM

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i kinda need to move it to right to no just left XD

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Yeah perhaps

dusky drum Sep 29, 2020, 6:37 PM

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ye maybe just reverese the frames 🙂

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gotta test that tommorow

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 7:32 PM

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you ever look at a project you have to modify, and just

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sigh

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 7:39 PM

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no

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 7:47 PM

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lucky

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 7:49 PM

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you mean

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built different

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 7:52 PM

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😐

📎 unknown.png

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im trying to resist the urge to rewrite everything

onyx loom Sep 29, 2020, 7:53 PM

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do it

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rewrite in elara ffs 🙄

mint crag Sep 29, 2020, 7:59 PM

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😳

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 8:07 PM

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bruh the "source code" doesn't even include plugin.yml

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oh wait

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it's not a plugin

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nvm

onyx loom Sep 29, 2020, 8:11 PM

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😐

ocean quartz Sep 29, 2020, 9:06 PM

#

https://twitter.com/kotlin/status/1310533903581696001

Kotlin (@kotlin)

📣 Kotlin 1.4.20-M1 is now available!

✅New project templates in Kotlin/JS
✅Kotlin/JS Gradle plugin upgrades
✅Performance boosts
✅Kotlin/Native 1.4.10 backwards compatibility
🐞Bug fixes, and more...

Try it and share your feedback with us!

Details ⬇️ https://t.co/Y71QyoI4T1

Likes

378

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Performance boosts

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 9:06 PM

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cant get excited about anything andrey puts out any more

ocean quartz Sep 29, 2020, 9:06 PM

#

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prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 9:06 PM

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he probably intentionally adds bugs

#

Go version 1.2:

No performance boosts, already performs flawlessly
No new features, everything you need is already included

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https://twitter.com/artinnemati_msl/status/1310550728767930369 also can we talk about how awful this is

infernus (@artinnemati_msl)

@kotlin fun main (){
val hi=hi()
val finding =there is anyone want to learn kotlin ()
val friendly = i want to learn and i need a friend to learn
together.()
val regard =Dm me tnx ()
println("${hi}${finding}${friendly}${regrad}")
} #kotlin #android #dave #daveloper #pro...

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 9:09 PM

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lol

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#dave #daveloper 🤦‍♂️

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 9:10 PM

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val regard = Dm me tnx ()

onyx loom Sep 29, 2020, 9:10 PM

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🌝

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 9:10 PM

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actually

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 9:10 PM

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tragic

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 9:10 PM

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that could compile i think

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 9:12 PM

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no way

onyx loom Sep 29, 2020, 9:13 PM

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YeahNah

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 9:13 PM

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it works

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📎 unknown.png

onyx loom Sep 29, 2020, 9:13 PM

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disgusting

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 9:13 PM

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yes

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but possible

heady birch Sep 29, 2020, 9:15 PM

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His programing skills

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He should be the one teaching

prisma wave Sep 29, 2020, 10:16 PM

#

😭

📎 Screenshot_20200929-231633_Gmail.jpg

ocean quartz Sep 29, 2020, 10:19 PM

#

Same cryingblob

onyx loom Sep 29, 2020, 10:23 PM

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same

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not

ocean quartz Sep 29, 2020, 10:24 PM

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I wonder what happened to him 😦

#

@frail glade Did Sx unfriend you too?

onyx loom Sep 29, 2020, 10:25 PM

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omg he left kotlin memes discord 😭

ocean quartz Sep 29, 2020, 10:25 PM

#

He left everything

onyx loom Sep 29, 2020, 10:25 PM

#

😭

frail glade Sep 29, 2020, 10:25 PM

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He only added me back a few days ago to ask me what the questions were for the job interview.

#

Then I believe he removed me again.

onyx loom Sep 29, 2020, 10:25 PM

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wow

ocean quartz Sep 29, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Probably trying to leave anything mc related since he got kicked from paper so kinda no where else to go 😦

frail glade Sep 29, 2020, 10:26 PM

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He got kicked from Paper?

ocean quartz Sep 29, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Yeah

onyx loom Sep 29, 2020, 10:26 PM

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it wouldnt surprise me

ocean quartz Sep 29, 2020, 10:27 PM

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📎 unknown.png

onyx loom Sep 29, 2020, 10:27 PM

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☹️

frail glade Sep 29, 2020, 10:27 PM

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He's not banned though.

ocean quartz Sep 29, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Yeah just kicked

regal gale Sep 29, 2020, 10:54 PM

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The rage tho...

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:09 AM

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Here as well?

static zealot Sep 30, 2020, 9:38 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/xzpxY9v.png 11 hours sounds like a lie. More like 5 minutes - 10 hours break - 55 minutes xD

Imgur

lavish notch Sep 30, 2020, 12:22 PM

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@static zealot imagine not hooking your discord to intellij,

static zealot Sep 30, 2020, 12:23 PM

#

its hooked

#

https://i.imgur.com/pgNf1zL.png

Imgur

#

if you leave IIJ inactive it goes back to the default one

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 1:14 PM

#

^ literally me

static zealot Sep 30, 2020, 1:15 PM

#

oh same ^

#

xD

dawn hinge Sep 30, 2020, 5:12 PM

#

For those who know JavaScript or Python, which between the two should i first go with? I want to get you guys opinion on this

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 5:12 PM

#

Python is more user friendly I would say

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 5:14 PM

#

C

#

Kotlin type safe enum for settings?

remote goblet Sep 30, 2020, 7:30 PM

#

I started with javascript because it slightly helps if you're considering to branch out into Java

#

as you'll have a general understanding of if statements, variables

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:30 PM

#

I started with Skript

remote goblet Sep 30, 2020, 7:30 PM

#

Die

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:31 PM

#

nou

remote goblet Sep 30, 2020, 7:31 PM

#

okay

#

salute

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:31 PM

#

ObiChosenOneGif

ocean quartz Sep 30, 2020, 7:32 PM

#

Cool kids start with C

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:33 PM

#

Did you?

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

#

Started with Basic

old wyvern Sep 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

#

VB

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

#

Then java

#

Then PHP

#

Then Kotlin

#

Then C

ocean quartz Sep 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

#

Yeah, started with C

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 7:34 PM

#

Then Rust

ocean quartz Sep 30, 2020, 7:35 PM

#

On the IDE Geany dios

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 7:35 PM

#

Ada

#

missed python

#

https://www.gocosmos.org/

#

Played with this for like 2 years

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:44 PM

#

imagine not starting with java

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 7:45 PM

#

imagine not starting with kotlin

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:46 PM

#

in 2022 people will start with elara

#

bet

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:47 PM

#

and if not

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:48 PM

#

there is no not

#

it will happen

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:48 PM

#

sounds promising

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 7:49 PM

#

will

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:49 PM

#

very promising

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:49 PM

#

how about generics

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:49 PM

#

we already have printing support

#

print("hello")

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:49 PM

#

and reflection

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:49 PM

#

elara good

#

generics exist

#

reflection is overrated

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:49 PM

#

pls

#

add reflexcettitionsss

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:50 PM

#

we will eventually

#

and it will be the best reflection ever

#

but for now

#

no

#

let a = 3
print(a + 2)
``` works 🙂

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:50 PM

#

so you have let, var and what more

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

no var

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

oh

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

var is despicable

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

y not

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

i hate var

#

you can do subtraction too

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

powers as well?

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:51 PM

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

maybe

#

that will probably be implemented as a function

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 7:52 PM

#

let mut right?

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:52 PM

#

a = a**3
or a =** 3

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:52 PM

#

mhm

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 7:52 PM

#

call me an elara genius

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:52 PM

#

elara genius

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:52 PM

#

but u have const ?

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:53 PM

#

no

#

no need for const

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:53 PM

#

so static final let

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:54 PM

#

what

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:54 PM

#

to make a constant

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:54 PM

#

constants are just let

#

immutable

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:54 PM

#

oh

#

always public?

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:55 PM

#

yes

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:55 PM

#

thats not nice

#

getters and setters for everything

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:55 PM

#

elara is not object oriented

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

wow

#

pls go away

#

what is it then?

#

another script language

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

mostly functional

#

but supporting imperative & object oriented features

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

not only functional I hope

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

no

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

so static final let
@steel heart cursed

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

yh good

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

it's not haskell 2

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:57 PM

#

you're very dangerous my friend

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:57 PM

#

i will take that as a compliment

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:57 PM

#

frick

#

okay but like why should we use elera

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:57 PM

#

why shouldn't you?

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:58 PM

#

cuz kotlin, obj-c or java

#

even skript

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

they dont have the features of elara

#

infix functions

#

contract based type system

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

show me an example masterr

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

of what

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

infix functions

#

and that contrast basic type system

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:00 PM

#

list filter { a % 2 == 0 }

#

instead of list.filter({a % 2 == 0 })

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:00 PM

#

list of ints then?

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:00 PM

#

yeah

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:01 PM

#

I mean thats pretty neat ngl

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:01 PM

#

mhm

#

it's optional ofc

#

but clean

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:01 PM

#

contract based type system

#

^

#

whats this then

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:01 PM

#

struct Person {
  String name
  mut Int age
}

struct Student {
  String name
  mut Int age
  Subject major
}

you could use Student in place of Person because they have the same contract

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:02 PM

#

hmm thats interesting

#

why would this be good ?

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:03 PM

#

well this is where it gets really cool

#

<T { add(T) => Any }>
let add-2 = (T a, T b) => {
  return a add b
}

#

this will accept any type with a function add(T) => Any

#

like an interface on steriods

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:04 PM

#

okay thats pog

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:05 PM

#

mhm

#

very cool

old wyvern Sep 30, 2020, 8:05 PM

#

So guys, I was working on deobfuscating something

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:05 PM

#

it went well?

old wyvern Sep 30, 2020, 8:05 PM

#

I have a case where the contents of a constructor is synchronized

#

I think it wouldnt be required, but just want to make sure

#

The instance shouldnt be available unless the constructor completes execution anyway right?

#

@prisma wave Any ideas?

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:07 PM

#

yeah I don't think it would be possible

old wyvern Sep 30, 2020, 8:07 PM

#

So I can safely remove the synch block right?

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:07 PM

#

there's no way you could access fields from outside of the constructor before the constructor has finished

#

yeah

old wyvern Sep 30, 2020, 8:07 PM

#

Lit

#

One class almost fully deobfuscated

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:20 PM

#

@prisma wave Typical, turning more like rust everyday. Almost like rust is the best language!

#

Add mutable types

#

let a: mut mut Int

#

a = 1.05

#

double

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:21 PM

#

mut immut let a: Int mut String

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:24 PM

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kq1MIfTWCE 14 hour youtube course who wants 👍

YouTube

freeCodeCamp.org

Full Ethical Hacking Course - Network Penetration Testing for Begin...

Learn network penetration testing / ethical hacking in this full tutorial course for beginners. This course teaches everything you need to know to get started with ethical hacking and penetration testing. You will learn the practical skills necessary to work in the field. Thro...

▶ Play video

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:24 PM

#

have you watched?

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:24 PM

#

yes

light venture Sep 30, 2020, 8:25 PM

#

looks like thats a thing for tomorrow

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:25 PM

#

what would you give me if I finished it by today

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:25 PM

#

my time or ur time

#

because my time is impossible fingerguns

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:25 PM

#

PogChomp

light venture Sep 30, 2020, 8:25 PM

#

my time too

#

kalibear

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:26 PM

#

hello

light venture Sep 30, 2020, 8:26 PM

#

woot

#

hi qt

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:26 PM

#

https://qt.io

Qt | Cross-platform software development for embedded & desktop

Qt is the faster, smarter way to create innovative devices, modern UIs & applications for multiple screens. Cross-platform software development at its best.

light venture Sep 30, 2020, 8:26 PM

#

^^^

#

Niall owns good domain

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:27 PM

#

woah did u just call me qt? thats kinda sus are u impostor?

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:27 PM

#

Queue<T>

light venture Sep 30, 2020, 8:27 PM

#

'-'

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:27 PM

#

@heady birch no

light venture Sep 30, 2020, 8:27 PM

#

Kalibear

#

i dont play among us

#

bad game

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:27 PM

#

me neither

#

i agree

light venture Sep 30, 2020, 8:27 PM

#

Murder Mystery is my life

#

on hypixel

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:27 PM

#

Darn, its Queue<E>

📎 Screen_Shot_2020-09-30_at_21.27.31.png

#

E for elephant

light venture Sep 30, 2020, 8:27 PM

#

which ive been banned on for like 6 years

#

so

#

Niall

#

Lets address the elephant in the room

old wyvern Sep 30, 2020, 8:28 PM

#

Add mutable types
@heady birch
ew

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:28 PM

#

😔

#

<T { add(T) => Any }>
let add-2 = (T a, T b) => {
  return a add b
}

@prisma wave

light venture Sep 30, 2020, 8:28 PM

#

:c

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:28 PM

#

PUSSY MF

old wyvern Sep 30, 2020, 8:29 PM

#

Typical, turning more like rust everyday. Almost like rust is the best language!
@heady birch
How so?

#

🎃

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:29 PM

#

Cant find the twitter post

#

Rust justis the best

old wyvern Sep 30, 2020, 8:29 PM

#

No as in how is it turning more like rust?

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:30 PM

#

https://twitter.com/scobesx/status/1308182531003625473

jack (@scobesx)

what zero “PUSSY” does to a “MF” https://t.co/FBWQRClKJH

Retweets

121

Likes

952

#

mut

old wyvern Sep 30, 2020, 8:30 PM

#

That existed from the initial idea

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:32 PM

#

@heady birch disgusting

#

so many things wrong with that image

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:33 PM

#

Only yext

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:33 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:33 PM

#

Maybe I will just leave that there? see how many downvotes it gets?

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:33 PM

#

yes

#

itll be alot 🌝

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:34 PM

#

Actually na

#

I will do something serious like kiteboard api

ocean quartz Sep 30, 2020, 8:34 PM

#

From Niall

📎 unknown.png

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:35 PM

#

tbf i got let mut from rust

#

but that doesn't mean rust is good

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:35 PM

#

like programming

#

that means

#

you inherit not good form rust

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:35 PM

#

no

#

no inheritance

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:35 PM

#

do you have cool enum?

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

struct

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

u have interfaces?

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

nope

#

no need

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

u have null

#

?

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

nah

#

Result types

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

woow

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

null is null

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

shoe me dae wae

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:36 PM

#

Result types
@prisma wave

#

Good idea

#

What kind of syntax?

#

Also would be cool if you can make it compile to null

#

not like Scalas optional

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:37 PM

#

streams

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:38 PM

#

type Result<T> = Some<T> | None

let result = some-op()

if result {
  result.value.blah()
} else {
  print "None"
}```

#

automatic truthy conversion

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:38 PM

#

niall nice documentation

#

I mean elera is nice and I will def try it if it can run in the jvm

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:39 PM

#

it probably will be able to

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:39 PM

#

yeah i like that

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:39 PM

#

ohyes

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:39 PM

#

Some<T> | None 😍

distant sun Sep 30, 2020, 8:39 PM

#

You have a weird definition of 'nice'

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:39 PM

#

hot

#

wdym

#

it's very nice

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:40 PM

#

Typical object oriented programmers

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:40 PM

#

im gonna be the first one to publish a minecraft spigot elera plugin to spigot

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:40 PM

#

wow

#

what an honour

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:40 PM

#

yup

#

just tell me release date

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:40 PM

#

Do you think it will be difficult?

#

To compile to byte code

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:40 PM

#

hopefully not

#

definitely easier than LLVM

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:41 PM

#

Actually this is exciting

#

Rust like syntax with java

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:41 PM

#

👀

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:41 PM

#

😳

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:41 PM

#

i have stupid

distant sun Sep 30, 2020, 8:42 PM

#

Niall why dont you relese the api to github so people can use jitpack?

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:42 PM

#

or upload it here 😄

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

Third party maven repo

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

fingergunsclojuremoon2

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

It going on maven central

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

repo.bristermitten.me

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

does it cost to upload to maven central

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

dont think so

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

nope

distant sun Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

Brain calls

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

u just need to be accepted

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

so why does people upload to other stuff

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

except you have to sell your soul to "apache"

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

lol

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

because it has to be verified

distant sun Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

^

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

which takes time

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

so basically jitpack is better

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

and for throwaway projects another repo is easier

#

no

#

definitely not

#

jitpack bad

distant sun Sep 30, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

Nah

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

whats good then my lords

heady birch Sep 30, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

except you have to sell your soul to "apache"
@prisma wave I wont have a problem with that

onyx loom Sep 30, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

repositories {
mavenCentral()
}
ez

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

apache isn't real

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:44 PM

#

just making people download my api or what

#

alex can I use your repo stuff

#

or create my own?

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:50 PM

#

uh

#

i'll make you an account for mine if you want

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 8:52 PM

#

oh thats kind

prisma wave Sep 30, 2020, 8:52 PM

#

eh

#

pretty easy

#

email?

#

nexus wants one for some reason

#

you can dm if you want

winter iron Sep 30, 2020, 9:07 PM

#

If my plugin has many different features with multiple commands, should i make a package for each feature and store commands in there or make a commands package with feature subpackages

steel heart Sep 30, 2020, 9:09 PM

#

whatever feels best for you

frail glade Oct 1, 2020, 12:44 AM

#

I typically will do a command package in general and then sub packages for each general feature.

ocean quartz Oct 1, 2020, 1:31 AM

#

@prisma wave Curious question, what would be the difference between:

val isMessage: Boolean
   get() = MESSAGE_PLACEHOLDER in text

And:

val isMessage = MESSAGE_PLACEHOLDER in text

obtuse gale Oct 1, 2020, 1:45 AM

#

With the custom getter doesn't it like run the method each time you access the variable, as opposed to just when the class has a new instance made? I might be wrong

ocean quartz Oct 1, 2020, 1:47 AM

#

Thinking that too

surreal quarry Oct 1, 2020, 1:50 AM

#

that would make the most sense

#

for example if it was reading data from something like an api or db it would always get the most recent

frail glade Oct 1, 2020, 2:16 AM

#

Yeah I believe that is what it does.

hot heron Oct 1, 2020, 4:28 AM

#

Anyone have any decent ideas for what I could do for my senior project?

#

I can't decide what I want to do

quiet depot Oct 1, 2020, 4:29 AM

#

some details might help

#

such as what language

hot heron Oct 1, 2020, 4:29 AM

#

So far what I'm thinking is creating some kind of database for some unorganized data and then making a rest API and web app to interact with it

quiet depot Oct 1, 2020, 4:29 AM

#

what concepts you need to implement

hot heron Oct 1, 2020, 4:29 AM

#

It's pretty open ended

#

I'm leaning more toward Java/node since that's what I'm most familiar with

#

Really the only requirements is that it should be around 120 hours for a mostly working product

#

and it's supposed to make me learn something new

distant sun Oct 1, 2020, 4:31 AM

#

skript is something new 👀

quiet depot Oct 1, 2020, 4:31 AM

#

what a shitty assignment lol

#

that honestly sucks

hot heron Oct 1, 2020, 4:31 AM

#

It's not an assignment, it's the whole class 😛

quiet depot Oct 1, 2020, 4:31 AM

#

so you're all working on the same thing together?

hot heron Oct 1, 2020, 4:31 AM

#

It's solo

quiet depot Oct 1, 2020, 4:32 AM

#

so you've been instructed to just "make something, and spend 120 hours on it"

#

just making sure I've got all the details

obtuse gale Oct 1, 2020, 4:32 AM

#

make a scratch game

hot heron Oct 1, 2020, 4:32 AM

#

Those are the only set in stone things

distant sun Oct 1, 2020, 4:33 AM

#

how would you prove how long it took you to make it?

#

smth like wakatime?

hot heron Oct 1, 2020, 4:33 AM

#

You turn in weekly reports

#

It's honor system

#

You come up with the SRS yourself and it's how your project is graded at the end

quiet depot Oct 1, 2020, 4:34 AM

#

srs?

distant sun Oct 1, 2020, 4:34 AM

#

URSS

hot heron Oct 1, 2020, 4:34 AM

#

Basically the software requirements

#

the specifications

quiet depot Oct 1, 2020, 4:34 AM

#

ah

#

So far what I'm thinking is creating some kind of database for some unorganized data and then making a rest API and web app to interact with it
this doesn't sound like it'd take 120 hours

#

more like an hour

hot heron Oct 1, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

Well if you know what you're doing

obtuse gale Oct 1, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

Implement Bukkit 👀

quiet depot Oct 1, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

implement sponge

hot heron Oct 1, 2020, 4:35 AM

#

I'd have to make the database, the rest api and the web app

#

All of which I've never really done/ haven't in a long time

distant sun Oct 1, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

Well if you know what you're doing
well you said you want ideas for your senior thingo 🤷

hot heron Oct 1, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

yeah, I'm saying for me it wouldn't be an hour long 😛