dev-general

[onyx loom]

what project is for the rewrite?

[ocean quartz]

Cmds

[onyx loom]

up to u then ig

[hot hull]

@ocean quartz AlIaSeS

[onyx loom]

if u feel the cmds code is garbage then rewrite it

[ocean quartz]

fRoStY

The code isn't that bad, it's just not abstract

[hot hull]

Heh

[astral quiver]

About 1.8 and newer versions, is pretty hard

Is a discussion does not have a better

is just what you want to do with your server

[obtuse gale]

Would spring ever give me incorrect line numbers on errors because kotlin?

[astral quiver]

You want alot of players, 20 tps and a good player base? 1.8 is your guy

You want to do new things, explore new possibilities that the client provide to you? newer version is your guy

Is impossible to run a server with 100 players in 1.14+

With 20 tps

[obtuse gale]

org.springframework.orm.jpa.JpaObjectRetrievalFailureException: Unable to find org.aj3douglas.coolbot420.database.Request with id 3; nested exception is javax.persistence.EntityNotFoundException: Unable to find org.aj3douglas.coolbot420.database.Request with id 3``` Springs giving me this error on this line
```kotlin
                            var user = userRepo .findByDiscordUserId(member.id)``` which returns a User, not a Request, so something dodgy seems to be going on here ![ThonkingButCool](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/356941058078277633.webp?size=128 "ThonkingButCool")

[astral quiver]

Is pretty hard to argue with 1.8 server owners

[ocean quartz]

Pretty sure Gian did 100 players with 20tps

[obtuse gale]

Is pretty hard to argue with 1.8 server owners
cos most are kids

[distant sun]

300

[astral quiver]

But 1000? You will never do that

[ocean quartz]

Was it 300?

[distant sun]

Iirc

[onyx loom]

it was more than 100 for sure

[astral quiver]

How? with Tunity?

[onyx loom]

yea

[astral quiver]

But and the gameplay?

[onyx loom]

thats gians signature

[ocean quartz]

And yeah no one says 1.8 is bad in performance, it's just that performance is it's only feature

[astral quiver]

I mean, they remove all stuffs? like mobs

[heady birch]

@obtuse gale Show repository class

[onyx loom]

no pretty sure it was close enough to vanilla

[ocean quartz]

Nah everything functional iirc

[astral quiver]

yes, performance is not the only feature, but, Performance and Player base is a big thing

I really prefer 1.9+ because of the Resource Pack thing

[obtuse gale]

@Repository
interface UserRepository: JpaRepository<User, Long> {
    fun findByDiscordUserId(discordUserId: String): User?
}```

[astral quiver]

but I know that "profissional servers" will run in 1.8

[distant sun]

Meh

[astral quiver]

Why Spring and not Exposed ? 🤔

[heady birch]

What user import is that? Check its your packages and not the org.springframework....user

[distant sun]

Survival on 1.8 or anything else than latest it's pointless

[obtuse gale]

its not

its mine

idk why its decided to bring the Request class into it and point to a line that has no connection to that

[onyx loom]

true gaby

[heady birch]

What is Request? Likely some relation to the User object?

[onyx loom]

1.8 survival is dead

[ocean quartz]

1.8 has only 2 reasons, pvp and performance, everything else is boring

[astral quiver]

Pure survival? Yes, it's, but Minecraft is big because of multiplayer, not because of it Survival mode

I agree

[distant sun]

?

[obtuse gale]

What is Request? Likely some relation to the User object?
no

[astral quiver]

Java Edition I mean

[distant sun]

Survival as in exploration, land claiming. The gamemode

[astral quiver]

Because if you want survival, just play the bedrock edition

[distant sun]

lol

[astral quiver]

And you are playing? no

[distant sun]

They are two different things

Nobody said minecraft it's just pvp

[onyx loom]

survival doesnt have to just be single player

[distant sun]

Or multiplayer means only pvp related gamemodes

[astral quiver]

No

[obtuse gale]

I used to be a big fan of SMP servers, find them boring now tho

[astral quiver]

Multiplayer means that you can play with your friends

justs that

I'm not talking about PVP

[dusky drum]

multiplayer = multiple players

[astral quiver]

Exacly lol

[obtuse gale]

by that logic does multiplier = multiple pliers

[astral quiver]

The fact is, minecraft server community is focus on PVP

[pastel imp]

Survival on 1.8 or anything else than latest it's pointless
@distant sun that's just facts

[ocean quartz]

SMPs are pretty great in 1.16

[pastel imp]

srry for ping btw

[astral quiver]

Sad? yes, but it's

[dusky drum]

by that logic does multiplier = multiple pliers :Thonkeng:
brain work very well?

[distant sun]

Because pvp can be used for a lot of minigames

[astral quiver]

We need to live with the truth

[quiet depot]

SMPs are pretty great in 1.16
@ocean quartz smps are best in modded

[ocean quartz]

Yes!!

[dusky drum]

if you really want to know what meaning of multiplayer is
denoting or relating to a video game designed for or involving several players.

[obtuse gale]

I dont like un-whitelisted smps

[distant sun]

^

[obtuse gale]

Whitelisted smps are pretty good tho

[astral quiver]

1.16.2 have biomes custom color

[onyx loom]

helpchat smp

[astral quiver]

do you folks did see that?

[obtuse gale]

I was on one for like a year and a half, made a few plugins for free for the owner just cos i liked the server then found it boring....

[pastel imp]

souzaaaa

help me

[onyx loom]

wholesome

[ocean quartz]

So hard to read smps without reading simps instead lmao

[astral quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539568496493723651/750932614092816444/unknown.png

[pastel imp]

they are saying that 1.8 is bad

help me

[onyx loom]

so true matt lmao

[astral quiver]

Is bad

[pastel imp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539568496493723651/750932614092816444/unknown.png

gotta ya

[dusky drum]

wtf

[astral quiver]

1.16.2

[pastel imp]

Is bad
@astral quiver it is but tell them what you told me last time

[astral quiver]

I already told they

Performance only matters when running a "profissional server"

[ocean quartz]

Like let me get it straight, we all agree that 1.8 is bad, we also agree it's widely used

[obtuse gale]

yes

[onyx loom]

indeed

[pastel imp]

oh ok

[obtuse gale]

unfortunately

[pastel imp]

yes

we all agree 1.8 is bad

[obtuse gale]

yes

[onyx loom]

theres no real need to run 1.8 unless u have like 100 players

[pastel imp]

BUT it's good performance af

.-.

[onyx loom]

or unless ur gian, 300

[astral quiver]

AND we all agree that mojang do a really shit in 1.14+

[hot hull]

I mean Gian ran 300 on latest sheesh

[ocean quartz]

They did Yeah

[distant sun]

The game was just not ready for all these changes

[pastel imp]

1.8 you can run 1.5k

.-.

ooof

[distant sun]

It was poorly made since begin

[onyx loom]

^^^^

[astral quiver]

Yes

[ocean quartz]

Though they did a pretty good job on 1.15

[onyx loom]

no multi threading :(

[dusky drum]

yo how do i shift vararg args: String?
like to get substring from index 2 to size of it?

[obtuse gale]

wasnt 1.13 shit for performance and now its getting better? Or am i wrong

[astral quiver]

But I guess now they are focus on "Java news stuffs" that uses ALOT OF MEMORY

Like using lambdas everywhere

[hot hull]

copyOfRange iirc

[ocean quartz]

They started listening to Aikar and the server community

[onyx loom]

ya aj i think 1.15+ fixed itself a little bit

[astral quiver]

Using immutable stuffs

that produce alot of garbadge

Wait, when @ocean quartz ?

[dusky drum]

thanks frosty

[ocean quartz]

On 1.15+ iirc

[pastel imp]

now you guys make me ask myself if I should use 1.8 or not

lol

[distant sun]

They should just hire the paper people

[pastel imp]

fu@

[onyx loom]

yes

[distant sun]

now you guys make me ask myself if I should use 1.8 or not
@pastel imp ONLY pvp - yes

[astral quiver]

Depends, what type of server do you want?

[onyx loom]

who needs microsoft / mojang devs when u have papermc

[old wyvern]

They had a meeting with paper team earlier this month right?

[static zealot]

several people are typing ...

[old wyvern]

I wonder whats coming

[quiet depot]

not paper in particular, just key community members afaik

[ocean quartz]

I'm not sure when but paper team did talk with dinnerbone i think

[old wyvern]

ah

[pastel imp]

Depends, what type of server do you want?
@astral quiver prison

[distant sun]

We need to talk to bill

[astral quiver]

1 Mod developer > 1 day add 355565656 new Mobs
Mojang team > 6 mouths 5 mobs

[ocean quartz]

And Grum to ask him to make bukkit MIT

[quiet depot]

that's impossible

[obtuse gale]

                            var user = userRepo.findByDiscordUserId(member.id)
                            if (user == null) {
                                user = User(discordUserId = member.id)
                                userRepo.save(user)
                            }``` Can I make user a val somehow? Maybe something fancy with the elvis operator?

[dusky drum]

yeh mojang is slow with updates..

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

[distant sun]

We will vote for a new mob on oct 3rd

[quiet depot]

license changes require every individual contributer to agree to it

[old wyvern]

Souza, the company probably has a lot more going on underneath than a mod dev would think

[astral quiver]

yes, I know

[ocean quartz]

Licensing is pretty annoying

[pastel imp]

but I mean

BLOCKS

and blocks

[onyx loom]

change the T&Cs of bukkit, ez license transfer

[pastel imp]

many blocks

[old wyvern]

Mod devs ussually dont have game designers and other staff ensuring quality and stuff

[pastel imp]

cubes

and blocks

what's sooo hard about it?

[ocean quartz]

That's why we just roll with it

[astral quiver]

Model 3d

[distant sun]

Not everything can be added in the game itself imo

[astral quiver]

they need to support new blocks

[distant sun]

Even if we want

[astral quiver]

that you can be able to change the HIT BLOCK of the block

Blocks and entity is more hard to add than items

because of the HIT BLOCK

[distant sun]

hitbox?

[dusky drum]

i mean mojang could make 100 of mobs in 1 month if they wanted but they are just like no thats to much content.

[old wyvern]

Afonso, adding new changes to a active game can sometimes backfire, its important for the company to do things slowly

[astral quiver]

Yes

Yes

lol

Hitbox

[old wyvern]

Users dont ussually like quick changes

[distant sun]

^

[static zealot]

https://i.imgur.com/3U9kFGo.png

[ocean quartz]

What i would love would be an official modding platform similar to bedrock's marketplace, where you'd make a server with mods and players would download them instantly on join without them needing all sorts of mess to play

[distant sun]

They do a nice job with the game itself

[old wyvern]

Mhm

[distant sun]

They added a tone of cool shit to bedrock

[quiet depot]

bedrock is still trash

[ocean quartz]

I would love to have a modded server, it's just hard to find players willing to go through the installing process

[distant sun]

Yes ofc

[astral quiver]

This could be really cool, but I don't now if mojang will do that with Forge or Fabric

[quiet depot]

matt, you sure about that?

[old wyvern]

bedrick just barely has all the feaures of Java at right?

[astral quiver]

And I need to say, I don't want a shit mod API

[old wyvern]

And there was a bug with them using floats instead of doubles or something?

[ocean quartz]

A bit, i know modpacks on twitch and technic makes kt much easier

[quiet depot]

yeah they use floats for things like health afaik

[old wyvern]

Block colliders having a large offset at high x,z coords

[obtuse gale]

how do IJ breakpoints work? Do I just chuck them there then the code will stop there?

[quiet depot]

yep

[obtuse gale]

(Discord bot)

[astral quiver]

Heres back I really want to build a mod client that downloads the servers mods when you join it

[obtuse gale]

can I then like "press play" on the code and will it go from where i stopped it?

[quiet depot]

yep

[obtuse gale]

can I add code in while its stopped?

[quiet depot]

with hotswap

[pastel imp]

sooo prison server... 1.12.2? 1.8? for lobby? suppose 1.8 is better as I don't need features...?

[old wyvern]

Go error handing is... eh....

[distant sun]

Imagine if the client wasnt losing connection that easily if sending a texture pack takes a bit longer 🙄

[old wyvern]

I may be doing this wrong, or this is just annoying in general 🙃

[quiet depot]

go doesn't have exceptions right?

[old wyvern]

yea, errors are normal types

multiple return values can be provided

that way you can propagate the error back

[obtuse gale]

If I do that will the println run or not

[old wyvern]

Since it doesnt propagate back to a try catch or something it requires manually returning the error everytime you expect one

[ocean quartz]

Also @astral quiver you miss this yesterday

[astral quiver]

I saw that, the fade affect, uff

I'm kinda sad right now :c

[pastel imp]

sooo?

sooo prison server... 1.12.2? 1.8? for lobby? suppose 1.8 is better as I don't need features...?

[astral quiver]

Try Glowstone for lobbies

[ocean quartz]

I know i know!
What i want is to do some interesting animations for it, but gotta do JS i think

[astral quiver]

Yes, JS is pretty neat to do that

[ocean quartz]

Kotlin JS

[astral quiver]

My problem is that I render everything everytime

Kotlin JS ❤️ 👀

[onyx loom]

have u used kotlin js before?

[pastel imp]

Try Glowstone for lobbies
@astral quiver glowstone? never heard about it but will check it

what about the prison?

[distant sun]

Paper ?

[pastel imp]

ye

[astral quiver]

I don't know much about prision servers

[pastel imp]

just gotta know the version

[astral quiver]

have alot pvp?

[pastel imp]

not much

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, though it's not that big of a deal for me, since all it does is pass the GUI's to the backend via JSON

[astral quiver]

if not, then choose your version

[pastel imp]

but it does have some

[ocean quartz]

@onyx loom I haven't yet, curious to try though

[distant sun]

1.8 for pvp, 1.12.2 if you need more blocks for mines imo

[onyx loom]

me too

[pastel imp]

idk if I need more blocks?

as I am gonna support 1.8

[ocean quartz]

Would 1.16 be bad for prison? You don't really need mobs/worldgen right? (idk much about prison servers)

[distant sun]

Not sure

Probably not the best option

[pastel imp]

Would 1.16 be bad for prison? You don't really need mobs/worldgen right? (idk much about prison servers)
@ocean quartz it's not just about that

• plotworld?

gotta be generated

[ocean quartz]

Because if those things aren't needed, i don't see why not 1.16, it's like Skyblocks

[onyx loom]

i mean u could implement mobs

[ocean quartz]

I mean with paper the generation is not a problem

async mob pathfinding when

[onyx loom]

👀

[distant sun]

Never™️

[ocean quartz]

[pastel imp]

as said I plan in support 1.8

means any 1.9+ mobs and blocks

won't be supported

I am just searching for the best option

[distant sun]

I dont even bother with anything lower than 1.16.1

Why play on 1.16 with an 1.8 client to see bats instead of bees

[dusky drum]

XD

[distant sun]

For real xd

[pastel imp]

Why play on 1.16 with an 1.8 client to see bats instead of bees
@distant sun IT'S PRISON

that's first thing

• more versions you support

the better

[distant sun]

Im talking about my server

[pastel imp]

I don't wanna make players need to use 1.12.2

or so

just cause yes

I want all players to be able to play

oooohhhh

oooof

[distant sun]

Supporting newer versions it's nothing comparative to supporting older versions

[dusky drum]

then add bedrock mc support to have all players able to play ha!

[pastel imp]

Supporting newer versions it's nothing comparative to supporting older versions
@distant sun exactly

that's my point on why to use 1.8.8

it's easy newer version support

[distant sun]

Which is invalid imo

[ocean quartz]

let's make a server that allows multi server processing, 4 servers, each takes care of an axis! Woot woot

[distant sun]

haha

[compact perch]

✳️ Global Multiplier Expired!

The global multiplier has ran out and has been reset!

[onyx loom]

[pastel imp]

wait wdym by axis?

[ocean quartz]

[distant sun]

w x y z

[ocean quartz]

Like -x x -z z

[old wyvern]

w?

[pastel imp]

yes but wdym by

4 server for each

[old wyvern]

-x and x are a single axis matt

[distant sun]

Exactly

[old wyvern]

😫

[distant sun]

w x y z > +- x +- z

[ocean quartz]

It's just a dumb idea xD
Shhh, i know but mc doesn't need Y so let's split x and z in 2

[old wyvern]

😂

4 dimensional minecraft

actually, Euclidean minecraft anyone?

[ocean quartz]

Like server 1 - takes care of positive x, server 2 - positive z, server 3 - negative x, server 4 - negative z

Yas!

[distant sun]

Lmao matt

[old wyvern]

🍉

[ocean quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6sB00nkoeM

[distant sun]

"Welcome to the server negative x"

[old wyvern]

Holy shit someone actually did it?

[ocean quartz]

Yeah xD

[old wyvern]

Thats a mod right?

[ocean quartz]

I love non eucladian stuff

[old wyvern]

xD

[ocean quartz]

Yeah it's just a nether mod

[old wyvern]

ah

[frail glade]

There's a plugin for it too

If that's what I think it is

Been around for a few years

[ocean quartz]

There is i think

[old wyvern]

I assume they are rendering onto a map or something?

[frail glade]

By the same dev of react

[ocean quartz]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/nether-view.78885/

Sethbling did it with command blocks like 6 years ago too

[onyx loom]

thats so trippy lmao

[old wyvern]

damn

[pastel imp]

ok so I am probs gonna use 1.8 cause performance and I don't think I need features or blocks

[astral quiver]

Sethbling done alot of great stuffs

with any plugins

[pastel imp]

ok I don't rlly understand glowstone that you said @astral quiver

[astral quiver]

I guess the one that he uses was with the XBOX thing

[ocean quartz]

I did this based on his idea of webcam in minecraft from like 2014

[astral quiver]

@pastel imp Glowstone is server implementation from the ground, it have more performance that minecraft server native have but does not complete have the gameplay mechanics of the minecraft

Item frame + map, right?

[pastel imp]

it's holograms

and... I completly did not understand you

[ocean quartz]

Armorstand names yeah

[pastel imp]

with the "but does not complete have the gameplay mechanics of the minecraft"

[quiet depot]

cuberite is a complete impl souza iirc

[astral quiver]

no wayyyy

But cuberite does not have Bukkit API @quiet depot

[quiet depot]

good

fuck bukkit

[astral quiver]

👀

[quiet depot]

glowstone should've implemented sponge, not bukkit

[pastel imp]

I still don't understand glowstone

oof

[astral quiver]

I don't think that way, Bukkit is not the greats API

But Sponge have a great API but not performance friendly

[quiet depot]

says who

mind you sponge vanilla isn't really designed around performance iirc

unlike spigot/paper, whose primary purpose is performance

[astral quiver]

Minecraft native server already does not have great performance

In the newer versions

and use Sponge?

Just for do fun stuffs

[jovial warren]

Bukkit is horrible for a lot of reasons

[ocean quartz]

If Sx had finished his Go server it'd be pretty nice

[runic flume]

Is there a XMaterial.java class for 1.16?

[quiet depot]

probably codiq

[jovial warren]

It's concurrency is a joke

[runic flume]

okay, ty

[astral quiver]

There is a Rust implementation really good

[prisma wave]

Rust 👀

[onyx loom]

elara 👀

[jovial warren]

Rust implementation of what?

[prisma wave]

^^

Mc Server

[quiet depot]

the mc protocol bardy

[astral quiver]

https://github.com/feather-rs/feather

[prisma wave]

It's no Go but...

[jovial warren]

MineKraft 😎

[prisma wave]

[astral quiver]

[prisma wave]

The well designed server impl that works

[silk kite]

🔫

[jovial warren]

MineKraft is the Minecraft protocol in Kotlin

[astral quiver]

Modular server design?

[jovial warren]

It's a W.I.P but it's getting there

[astral quiver]

adding gameplay mechanics with modules?

👀

[jovial warren]

Modular? What a great idea

[old wyvern]

Honestly, I wish go had normal exception handling

this feels gross

[astral quiver]

I have this idea for years, minecraft server impl modular

[old wyvern]

😢

[astral quiver]

that you add modules to increase your server gameplay mechanics

[quiet depot]

I don't really see any benefits of what you're describing souza

[pastel imp]

you don't?

[jovial warren]

It would scale for big servers Pig

[pastel imp]

^^

[astral quiver]

Big servers and specific servers as well

[jovial warren]

Being able to just remove unused mechanics

[astral quiver]

like Lobby server

[jovial warren]

^

[quiet depot]

o ok

[astral quiver]

Limbo server

Like hypixel does

[pastel imp]

Being able to just remove unused mechanics
@jovial warren that's literally the missing thing and why custom jars are sooo gud

[jovial warren]

Yeah

[quiet depot]

https://github.com/Minestom/Minestom

[jovial warren]

@prisma wave we be doing that now xD

[old wyvern]

@astral quiver
You mean like a barebones server impl?

yea

Was going to link minestom

lol

welp

[quiet depot]

I believe one of the selling points of minestom is modularity

unless I'm thinking of something else

[old wyvern]

Yea, but its a server API

[quiet depot]

oh, no impl?

[old wyvern]

something to build your own server software off of

[quiet depot]

i see

[astral quiver]

That looks nice

[old wyvern]

It does have a VanillaImpl version in a sep repo

its not quite complete yet

or atleast last I checked

[quiet depot]

surely it doesn't use nms?

[prisma wave]

@prisma wave we be doing that now xD
@jovial warren sounds good

[old wyvern]

https://github.com/Minestom/VanillaReimplementation

[quiet depot]

yugi, isn't the point of a lack of exception handling, is because you're simply not meant to use or have errors? If something goes wrong, you pass a default value

[jovial warren]

Ours will me MBM rather than NMS

[old wyvern]

error does exist as a type

[quiet depot]

for use, or compat?

[old wyvern]

and im dealing with a case where I have to propagate the error back for reporting

[jovial warren]

me.bristermitten.minekraft (for now anyway lol)

[astral quiver]

MineKraft -> Multithreading made easy with coroutines

[prisma wave]

I like it

[jovial warren]

MineKraft -> Multithreading made easy with coroutines
@astral quiver yep

[prisma wave]

lmao you realise it literally only works for me rn

[ocean quartz]

MBM - mitten.brister.mitten

[old wyvern]

The parser needs to log tokens at which errors occur so we can use that for IDE integration at some point

[prisma wave]

Because I hardcoded my username and uuid

[jovial warren]

Yeah I saw that

[quiet depot]

o is minekraft an actual thing?

link

[prisma wave]

kind of

[jovial warren]

My draft PR will probably fix that at some point

[old wyvern]

https://github.com/knightzmc/MineKraft

[prisma wave]

knightzmc/minekraft on gh @quiet depot

^

[jovial warren]

^

[prisma wave]

It's barely functional

[jovial warren]

^

[prisma wave]

My draft PR will probably fix that at some point
@jovial warren you gotta query mojang API

[quiet depot]

make sure to add ur impl to wiki.vg, if it goes anywhere

[jovial warren]

But I have a draft PR

Yeah we will

[prisma wave]

when it goes somewhere yeah

Bad idea atm

[jovial warren]

@prisma wave can we use Retrofit pls

xD

[astral quiver]

I need to add kt-mc-packet

when its get more complete

[prisma wave]

retrofit is kinda meh

[distant sun]

Reminds me of this @prisma wave

[jovial warren]

can multiple people contribute to the same draft PR btw?

[prisma wave]

I'm pretty sure we've all thought that lmao

Might change the name

It was just the only thing I could think of

[jovial warren]

@distant sun Hitler's autobiography eh?

[distant sun]

ye

[quiet depot]

what u using maven local for

[prisma wave]

nms

To reverse engineer some of the stuff

[quiet depot]

what

o

[prisma wave]

Since wiki.vg didn't work for 1.16

[quiet depot]

lel have fun with world gen

[jovial warren]

We can just use the mappings

[prisma wave]

😬

[jovial warren]

Mini's Mapping thingy

[prisma wave]

@jovial warren I needed to see the implementations

eg for the packet formats s

Some of them weren't updated

[quiet depot]

wow

not even a custom logback config

[jovial warren]

I have a decompiled version of 1.8 to go from so I good

[quiet depot]

you're slacking dude

wtf

don't decompile it

generate it from buildtools

[jovial warren]

Yeah I did

[prisma wave]

soz

[astral quiver]

This is actually decompile

[jovial warren]

But you gotta decompile it to view it

[quiet depot]

no you don't?

[jovial warren]

Wdym?

Oh yeah you get source dirs

[quiet depot]

buildtools generates the decompiled nms sources for you

[jovial warren]

I big brain sometimes lol

[prisma wave]

effort to view those in the IDE though

[quiet depot]

I believe those sources are also unobfuscated

[distant sun]

Mini's Mapping thingy
@jovial warren thats for 1.13 and above iirc

[quiet depot]

anything below is irrelevant

[prisma wave]

^

I would rather shoot myself in the foot than attempt to support multiple versions

[distant sun]

"MainKraft - 1.17 and above"

[astral quiver]

Supports the latest version and being FAST

I good enough

because the 1.14+ is a really shit

in performance

[prisma wave]

pretty sure the only reason someone would want to use old versions is performance yeah

So fix that and profit

[distant sun]

And pvp

[pastel imp]

still going for 1.8.9 probs

[prisma wave]

1.9 pvp can be disabled though

Could probably be a module

in this specific structure

[pastel imp]

so isn't paper the best anymore?

[astral quiver]

Tuinity

[onyx loom]

if ur on 1.15+ tuinity

[astral quiver]

for new versions

[prisma wave]

or any of the other 300+ forks that exist for some reason

[pastel imp]

I mean for older versions

pretty sure the max I will go is 1.12.2 besides survival

[prisma wave]

:/

Your loss

[onyx loom]

[distant sun]

or any of the other 300+ forks that exist for some reason
@prisma wave $500 fork, mhm

[prisma wave]

yep

[astral quiver]

1.13 vs 1.12, what paper has more performance 🤔

[prisma wave]

Just for slightly faster cannoning or something

Probably 1.12 tbh

[astral quiver]

1.13 adds multi thread chunk loading? right?

[prisma wave]

Iirc performance started to decrease after 1.13

[dusky drum]

wtf my core has wierd issues on kotlin

[distant sun]

1.13 it' shit

[prisma wave]

:(

[dusky drum]

how da frik:

http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/3xd7yy9u.png

[ocean quartz]

1.13 is the worse performant server version

[dusky drum]

works completly fine in java plugins

[astral quiver]

Why mojang does that with us :c

[prisma wave]

@dusky drum what's wrong with that lol

[dusky drum]

everything is doubled

[prisma wave]

oh

[old wyvern]

The actual problem is.... minecraft was never made to be huge

[prisma wave]

Lol

[dusky drum]

and its missing like half of commands

[prisma wave]

probably a problem in your code?

[old wyvern]

It was just a random project someon worked on

until it blew up

[dusky drum]

i tested it on java plugin works just fine

[prisma wave]

Doesn't mean you shouldn't optimise it though @old wyvern

[dusky drum]

http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/pub9e13g.png

[prisma wave]

If you do have millions of people using it

[old wyvern]

I dont think he probably cared at the beginning

[prisma wave]

ofc not

[onyx loom]

BM why does pdm shade in kotlin on 0.0.27

[prisma wave]

But he's not working on it anymore

[old wyvern]

At some point things become irreparable without a rewrite

Yea exactly

[distant sun]

Doesn't mean you shouldn't optimise it though @old wyvern
@prisma wave you do with a $500 server jar

[prisma wave]

@onyx loom evil bug, try 0.0.28 or whatever is latest

[old wyvern]

They did start rewriting by small portions I believe

[prisma wave]

@distant sun I'm not spending $500 on a server jar that'll become obsolete in about 2 years

[old wyvern]

1.13 itself was a rewrite of some major stuff

[onyx loom]

what if i told u 0.0.27 is latest

[prisma wave]

uh oh

[distant sun]

But .. :(

[prisma wave]

hmmmmmmmm

I'm like 80% sure I fixed that

[onyx loom]

this says otherwise

[prisma wave]

Hmmmmmmmm

This might be a problem on your end

Send buildscript?

[onyx loom]

its never an issue on my end

[prisma wave]

I feel like it might be

[onyx loom]

https://paste.helpch.at/uyujubozod.cs

[prisma wave]

Glare said it was fixed

And his word is law

[distant sun]

So, I create this wrapper / sdk for tebex abi and the jar it's 2.8MB (gson and okhttp3), should I be worried or do anything ab that?

[prisma wave]

pdm

@onyx loom it's Kotlin's fault

[astral quiver]

is a SDK, so, if anyone do not want this, jsut use PDM

[prisma wave]

I believe

[onyx loom]

how so

[astral quiver]

can you send your dependencies?

[prisma wave]

As of 1.4 it automatically adds an implementation dependency on the stdlib

[astral quiver]

noooowayyy

[prisma wave]

Which interferes with pdm's mini shading

[astral quiver]

noway

noway

[onyx loom]

what the frick

kotlin bad

[astral quiver]

how to fix that?

[prisma wave]

https://www.github.com/knightzmc/pdm/tree/master/common-lib%2Fgradle.properties this is the workaround I believe

I'll probably look into using a different configuration for pdm's runtime so stuff like this won't get in the way anymore

[astral quiver]

Yes

Could add it to the README ?

good to know about that

[ocean quartz]

Imma wait for Hacktoberfest and i'll contribute to PDM

[onyx loom]

it still shades it 😭

[astral quiver]

I was thinking that this default dependency was only for Multiplatform projects

[prisma wave]

😕

[astral quiver]

not for standard jvm project

[onyx loom]

btw ori is experiencing the same, so its not just me

[prisma wave]

@frail glade sorry for ping but you said it was fixed for you, did you keep the gradle.properties thing?

odd

[onyx loom]

idk if ori is also using kotlin 1.4

but is using 0.0.27

@remote goblet

[prisma wave]

that seems to be the root cause

[old wyvern]

Whats Hacktober?

[prisma wave]

I'm like 99% sure that it will work fine with 1.3.72

[remote goblet]

i'm using 0.0.26 now

[prisma wave]

Try it perhaps unless you're using any 1.4 specific stuff

o

[astral quiver]

Can you downgrade to test it @onyx loom ?

[onyx loom]

are u using kotlin 1.4 ori?

[remote goblet]

[prisma wave]

so it's a bug in 0.0.27?

[remote goblet]

yes

[astral quiver]

what I have done 😮

[prisma wave]

lmao

You've doomed us all

[onyx loom]

😠

[astral quiver]

Nooooooo

[prisma wave]

Probably accidentally changed some tiny feature in the gradle plugin

[onyx loom]

im sure ur contributions were good tho, no one wouldve expected this (maybe?)

[prisma wave]

Yea

It's also one of those things that's almost impossible to unit test

Annoyingly

[onyx loom]

yea 0.0.26 is fine

[prisma wave]

So it's gonna slip through really easily

interesting

[onyx loom]

back to 90kb

[prisma wave]

Will have a look at what changed when I get home

[onyx loom]

are u back at school now?

or college

[prisma wave]

sixth form

So yea college I guess

[onyx loom]

[astral quiver]

I will look as well in the lunch

[prisma wave]

ok ty

Probably a 1 liner somewhere

[ocean quartz]

Let's find something to debate there is a 8x multi going

[prisma wave]

also your fork's upstream might have been 0.0.24 where it was a problem

[onyx loom]

kotlin is stale

[prisma wave]

very stale

The industry needs something fresh and new

Aka elara

[onyx loom]

elara is too premature rn

[ocean quartz]

BM have you tried kotlin for js?

[prisma wave]

😔

not for anything major

Tried it once and got bored

It seems like it's still in infancy

[ocean quartz]

I wanna give it a shot for this viewer

[astral quiver]

I'm working with branchs @prisma wave

The branchs is updated

[prisma wave]

hmm

Check the diff I guess

[astral quiver]

I will check it

[prisma wave]

I will mention the gradle plugin in particular is a delicate bunch of spaghetti so it's probably going to be difficult to find the root cause

Which is going to be great 🙃

[dusky drum]

im totaly confused:
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/8tcx67k0.png
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/tyghnm6k.png
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/8xf6cd2a.png
and i get all messed up help message for some reason wtf is this:
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/s39y7low.png

[astral quiver]

KotlinBukkitAPI has a great feature that generates helps commands message

[dusky drum]

man

[prisma wave]

subtle plug

[dusky drum]

?

[prisma wave]

lol

[dusky drum]

i dont get whats wrong with it.

[prisma wave]

It seems like it's more likely to be a problem in your code

[dusky drum]

but where?

[prisma wave]

The duplication is probably because you're registering them twice somewhere

Incidentally this is why Set > List

[dusky drum]

true

gonna change to set

oh

my bad im using linkedhashmap

[prisma wave]

Impossible to say where the bug is coming from without seeing absolutely everything though

That's fine

[dusky drum]

so there is no way to have duplicates

[prisma wave]

LinkedHashMap won't allow duplicates no

[dusky drum]

since i save it string - command

[prisma wave]

what about subcommands?

The same?

[dusky drum]

thats it

[prisma wave]

Ah

Hmm

[pastel imp]

ok I am back

soooo

[dusky drum]

http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/vfd4yr8a.png

[pastel imp]

paper 1.8.9

best version for performance

thx and goodbye

[ocean quartz]

nestedCommands.children.get() public field

[prisma wave]

that's a disturbing lack of Liskov too

lol

[dusky drum]

()=?*

[prisma wave]

looks like a regex

Liskov Substitution Principle

Program to the interface

[onyx loom]

?solid

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

What is SOLID?

S - Single-responsiblity principle
O - Open-closed principle
L - Liskov substitution principle
I - Interface segregation principle
D - Dependency Inversion Principle

If you wish to read up more on it, you can check here:
https://scotch.io/bar-talk/s-o-l-i-d-the-first-five-principles-of-object-oriented-design

Requested by: Kaliber • solid

[onyx loom]

🌝

[dusky drum]

i dont understand

[prisma wave]

use Map instead of LinkedHashMap

List instead of ArrayList

Etc

[dusky drum]

oh that you mean

yeh i know

[ocean quartz]

Basically Map<?, ?> map = new LinkedHashMap<>();

[prisma wave]

Do it then

[dusky drum]

okay done

[prisma wave]

Ok that won't fix the problem

But good

Send the full code

Everything that you think is relevant

[dusky drum]

okay sec

its kinda not my code but ok XD

[prisma wave]

?

[dusky drum]

should i send pics or code?

[prisma wave]

Whose is it then

Either

[dusky drum]

okay:
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/nhlobe53.png
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/4bllw2b1.png
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/8wwyfcfq.png

[ocean quartz]

Should have used MF

Shameless plug

[dusky drum]

i mean i could but i added kinda a lot of shit in my core so i dont want extra core in my plugins

[onyx loom]

not shameless plug if its a worthy plug

[prisma wave]

Redundant streams btw

And you could condense the varags method to just call the single arg method

Where are you doing the registering?

[dusky drum]

in actuall plugin

[prisma wave]

It's probably not a bug in the framework as opposed to where you're using it

send that then

I have a feeling I know what's happening already

[dusky drum]

http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/8uw1q44k.png

thats the register

or do you mean commandmanager?

[prisma wave]

just send the full class containing that function

[dusky drum]

https://paste.helpch.at/isofadotag.cpp

im not registering commands twice :3

[prisma wave]

are you testing with just those 2 plugins?

Or others

[dusky drum]

like 4 plugins

[prisma wave]

If so, try testing with just those 2

[dusky drum]

and only 1 has problems

[prisma wave]

Also kotlin linkedSetOf<FileLocation>( FileLocation.of("holograms.yml", true) ) this is why we use Liskov

[dusky drum]

:?

[prisma wave]

you shouldn't need linkedSetOf

You should just be able to pass a Set without worrying about the implementation

[dusky drum]

true

http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/xvys4yo0.png

http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/h5mj1vaa.png

idk why i even used linkedhashset here

[prisma wave]

exactly why you should be using Liskov

[dusky drum]

gonna change that

[prisma wave]

Unless you specifically need the contract of LinkedHashSet, it's infinitely better to just take Set

[dusky drum]

do i need it?
https://paste.helpch.at/bijonotala.java

[prisma wave]

There is a pretty high chance you don't need it

[dusky drum]

okay

i still cant fix duplicates

[prisma wave]

Also that class is doing way too much

[onyx loom]

srp principle now

[dusky drum]

why is it doing way to much?

[pastel imp]

Should have used MF
facts... he should...

[prisma wave]

Single Responsibility Principle

Your class is handling copying files, loading them into memory, and walking directories

Too much

[dusky drum]

no

okay fixed this:
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/auiaayw3.png

[jovial warren]

noice

[dusky drum]

idk how it happened but it did

i kinda think that one command had same syntax and it just broke the collection

[prisma wave]

odd

[dusky drum]

i kinda forgot to change it so

like list cant take 2 same values right

i mean

[prisma wave]

it can

[dusky drum]

no it can

wierd

[prisma wave]

The contract of List is to allow duplicates

[dusky drum]

oh

im gay

stupid

like

if it had same syntax

it showed as same

since it was same

my brain 200000IQ

[prisma wave]

lol nice

[frail glade]

@prisma wave no

[prisma wave]

Alrighty

I think we narrowed it down to Souza breaking something lol

[frail glade]

Hmm?

I'm still on 25

[prisma wave]

In 27 it gets shaded again

[distant sun]

thoughts? https://github.com/iGabyTM/tebex-java-sdk :0

ignore the weird toString() methods, will be removed

first or second? https://paste.helpch.at/uxoruyakuv.java

[prisma wave]

The second is more consistently declarative

But of course it's also kinda ugly

[ocean quartz]

Same

[distant sun]

how would you make it less ugly?

[prisma wave]

I'm not circlejerking here but you kind of can't

[distant sun]

I thought about using map(JsonElement::asJsonObject).map(Category::new).collect() but that's two loops for the exact same thing

[prisma wave]

Declarative / functional programming in Java is not particularly elegant

I guess the 2 maps are better

Not sure about stream implementation but it can probably condense the 2

It had better anyway

They'd be dumb not to

[distant sun]

wdym?

[prisma wave]

Ideally it would condense the 2 map calls into a single operation

I'm not sure if it actually would

But if you're using streams I doubt you need to care about performance anyway

[distant sun]

mhm

tf luyten can't decompile it 🤣

I guess it doesn't do that https://i.imgur.com/U4BROZl.png

[prisma wave]

I don't mean the compiler

I mean the Stream implementation

[distant sun]

m h m

should I send the error message to console?

[prisma wave]

That's what printStackTrace will do?

[distant sun]

Ah, talking about the error message provided by tebex when !response.isSuccessful()

https://docs.tebex.io/plugin/error-handling

[prisma wave]

I would expose it in some sort of Result type

Let the caller handle it

[astral quiver]

I still does not know what I done in the PDM

I will debug

[dusky drum]

any idea how i could implement API, like how can i make instance of api get the plugins main class file and so on?=

[astral quiver]

DI

[distant sun]

idk how @prisma wave

pushed latest changes if you want to take a look :0

[prisma wave]

@distant sun I would make a Result class with a nullable value and nullable Throwable

Or something

Return that instead of an optional

[distant sun]

was about to say that

[prisma wave]

You might want a String instead of a Throwable

Since the API will probably return a String for an error

[distant sun]

@prisma wave https://paste.helpch.at/ibexayonam.java is this bad? xd https://paste.helpch.at/urejuyotih.java <- usage

( I suck at naming, I know )

[dusky drum]

okay yay i made basic API

its kinda garbage (built into the plugin)

[prisma wave]

I'm not sure the successful field is necessary

Since that could be asserted just by the fact that the error is null or not

[dusky drum]

wtf this exists???
https://repo.codemc.io/repository/nms/

[prisma wave]

illegal lol

[dusky drum]

rly?

[prisma wave]

I think so

Pretty sure distributing craftbukkit binaries is illegal since the DMCA

which is why BuildTools exists

[dusky drum]

i mean its made by codemc.io

idk

[pastel imp]

lol bombardy flexing ultimate

[prisma wave]

Ultimate is free for students

[dusky drum]

just 1 question how do pepl make APi like external project?

[onyx loom]

imagine not having ultimate 😄

[pastel imp]

Ultimate is free for students
@prisma wave I am a student and I don't have it?

[dusky drum]

omg

[onyx loom]

github student pack

[pastel imp]

or maybe idk where to exactly get it

[onyx loom]

ez

[dusky drum]

https://education.github.com/pack

[pastel imp]

thx

verifying my school email rn

[astral quiver]

@prisma wave really don't know what could be this issue

[prisma wave]

hmmm

i will have a look soon

[lavish notch]

Never new Eclipse was a game :P

[prisma wave]

execute whoever that is

they clearly don't realise that personal preference is in fact illegal

[dusky drum]

@heady birch pretty simple to implement plugins into my new packet based holograms:
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/ro60ii0p.png

mine already works ha!

kinda love full RGB support 🙂

and yes HEX is supported in placeholders:
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/84d8ksdi.png

[ocean quartz]

For you guys that like this sort of videos, this one is pretty cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8jsijhllIA

[eager fern]

Any ideas on how to get instagram profile picture from a username?

Tried:

• __a=1 (Anti-bot blocks unless I setup proxies and other sketchy stuff which makes the project too complicated)
• Official API doesn't return it unless you have a user ID which is only returned when user authorizes the app through OAuth (OAuth is not possible for us)
• Also scraping the webpage is not available due to the anti-bot measures ig takes.

[wanton sentinel]

Anyone epic at deluxemenus

[pastel imp]

https://www.instagram.com/developer/

idk?

http://izuum.com/index.php

^^

@eager fern

[eager fern]

naw @pastel imp

[pastel imp]

?

[eager fern]

Read what I have tried

[pastel imp]

last link I sent?

.-.

[eager fern]

Wouldnt work

[pastel imp]

uhm

isn't that what you asked?

[eager fern]

Not like that though 🙂

[remote goblet]

Sometimes you take a moment

and realise

how fucking sexy kotlin is

like holy shit

[ocean quartz]

Ikr!

[remote goblet]

Lemme just like

show you this

ive sent it to about 60 different servers and people

because im just like so much

here is your java trash

here's our beloved kotlin

[ocean quartz]

Lovely

Let me show you one i love as well

If my IJ decides to finish updating indexes

NMS is no longer a pain to work with

Type alias is just 👌🏻

[remote goblet]

[steel heart]

Anyone knows if IJ is capable of replacing a string in a bunch of json files

[ocean quartz]

There is find and replace in path

Which will do it in many files

[steel heart]

ah yes ty, yet today I love IJ

[ocean quartz]

Boom just like that I have made a chat plugin

[static zealot]

xD

[ocean quartz]

Perfect, time to publish it in spoogot

[steel heart]

spagootiyy

[normal talon]

oh my xd

[obtuse gale]

Make ||this|| show it obfuscated 👀

[ocean quartz]

That's already a thing

[obtuse gale]

nice nice

[ocean quartz]

Wait isn't anything called in this event already async?

Lmao

[steel heart]

bruh

[astral quiver]

Markdown in chat, thats looks nice @ocean quartz

[distant sun]

where is that from @ocean quartz

[astral quiver]

You wrote a REALLY markdown parser or just simples markdown?

[oak coyote]

Why no lambda 😢

[distant sun]

https://github.com/ipsk/mf-msg

[astral quiver]

I really sad

[distant sun]

?

[astral quiver]

I waiting the Jetbrains folk to give me a awnser about the Kotlin Scripting

for like 3 days already

Just next week now :c

I can't continue the project :c

F

[obtuse gale]

Theyre normally pretty fast for responses for me

Like really fast

[steel heart]

Matt I wished you could make that for forge as well :8

[obtuse gale]

( I normally get responses within a few hours)

[astral quiver]

in Scripting channel?

[obtuse gale]

na

but still

[astral quiver]

Scripting channel is only the Ilya

[steel heart]

I mean just tag someone if it's important

[astral quiver]

basicly looks like is only one guy for scripting

[obtuse gale]

wait what

[astral quiver]

Maybe he is in vacations

I don't know

[obtuse gale]

I was just talking about jetbrains support lol are you talking about something else?

[steel heart]

call him on zoom

[astral quiver]

Kotlin support

in Kotlin Slack

[obtuse gale]

ah

[astral quiver]

I need to finish the relocation on Bukkript

to be able to publish everything in Spigot

[ocean quartz]

@steel heart Shouldn't be that hard to do that, it's pretty abstract
@astral quiver It's a REALLY markdown parser

[astral quiver]

lol

What parse that you use?

[ocean quartz]

Modified commonmark to be like discord

[astral quiver]

Some time ago I was wondering in make a Markdown support for Jetpack Compose

out of the box

Oh nice

I guess tomorrow I will start a thing for Bukkript, Is really cool

I ask for this on Kotlin Main Kts

The idea looks like this: A library can ship a file inside meta-inf that will provide to Kotlin Main Kts the implict imports for the library public API

Like a DSL thing

and the scripting needs justs to put its as dependency and use it without need to import anything

[steel heart]

Hmm Matt maybe push a pr for that

[ocean quartz]

Check if adventure has forge

[quiet depot]

adventure is bukkit, bungee, and sponge

[steel heart]

I mean sponge

[distant sun]

adventure?

[quiet depot]

https://github.com/kyoripowered/adventure

used to be called text

[ocean quartz]

Wait you want sponge or forge @steel heart? xD
If it's sponge, then just wait a bit cuz i'll add adventure support

[steel heart]

Add sponge (: I can make the forge parts if it’s not too complex

[ocean quartz]

There plugin is done now, selling for $2.99 on spoogit

[oak coyote]

You forgot some 9’s

[ocean quartz]

Aight $99.99

[oak coyote]

👌🏻

Could throw in 1 more for good measure

[ocean quartz]

Might make it cost $100 and give people 90.01% discount

Special offer!

[distant sun]

shit man @ocean quartz

[ocean quartz]

Now for real i might make this a thing xD
Just need to learn about the channels stuff

[distant sun]

channels are just a collection of players

or just players with a certain perm for things like staff chat

[ocean quartz]

Oh, i thought it was something more