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quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:43 AM

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no

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void is the absence of a return type

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:43 AM

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yes

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u didnt put void on

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:43 AM

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I did?

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:43 AM

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COolObject

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:43 AM

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ah

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 8:43 AM

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Because it's a constructor

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:43 AM

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you didnt put void on CoolObject

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OHh

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:43 AM

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will get onto constructors in a minute

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:44 AM

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i see yea

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BUT every method requires a void right?

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Like in the syntax

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:44 AM

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CoolObject obj = new CoolObject("test");, and it's id is 1, then obj.setTest("test2");
what do you think the id of obj is now?

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no, not every method is void, some have return types

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:44 AM

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obj.setTest("test@" same id

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:44 AM

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correct

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now, this is also a good time to go back to the levels I was talking about earlier

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class level and local level

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public final class CoolObject {
  private String test;

  public CoolObject(String test) {
    this.test = test;
  }

  public void setTest(String test) {
    this.test = test;  
  }
}```

as you can see, in the setTest method, we've got a parameter (variable) called test, but the class also has a field called test

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we can reference the class's test, via this

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we don't access it via CoolObject.test, because test is bound by the classes instance, not the class itself

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we know this, because it doesn't have static infront of it

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now, about constructors

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constructors are effectively a type of function, and they do have a return type

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the return type is the class itself

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:46 AM

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wait one sec

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public CoolObject(String test) {
this.test = test;
}

"we don't access it via CoolObject.test, because test is bound by the classes instance, not the class itself
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You mean like this

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public CoolObject(String test) {
    this.test = test;
CoolObject.test
  }

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right?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:47 AM

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well, remember my previous example on the hello world thing?

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 8:47 AM

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How do i run an intellij scratch file? Everytime i press the green arrow this is printed fun main(): Unit

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:47 AM

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where I did System.out.println(HelloWorld.MESSAGE);?

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:47 AM

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yea

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 8:47 AM

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from when doesnt spigot have gson inside?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:47 AM

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it still has gson shaded

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fresh, that's because MESSAGE is bound by the class, not instance

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since test is bound by the instance, not the class, we don't prefix it with the class name

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and since the name test is also being used by a local variable, we can access the class-level test field, via the keyword this

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 8:48 AM

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@obtuse gale kotlin scratches are scripts, they don't have main functions. They just execute from top to bottom

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:48 AM

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WAIT

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wheres the instance here tho?

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public final class CoolObject {
  private String test;

  public CoolObject(String test) {
    this.test = test;
  }

  public void setTest(String test) {
    this.test = test;  
  }
}

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you didn't create new <-

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:49 AM

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CoolObject obj = new CoolObject("test");, and it's id is 1, then obj.setTest("test2");

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 8:49 AM

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I pressed run and now it just printed this

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val parsed: String


val regexed: String```

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:49 AM

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Oh

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 8:49 AM

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one guy came with this to me and he had gson class not found
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/1aersdi2.png

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 8:49 AM

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ew

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 8:49 AM

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friking snapshot

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how da fk

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 8:49 AM

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nvm got it working

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:50 AM

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how da fk
@dusky drum every spigot version is a snapshot, they don't do releases for some reason

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:50 AM

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What did u mean by this tho

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"we don't access it via CoolObject.test, because test is bound by the classes instance, not the class itself
"

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 8:50 AM

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its 2200 versions behind.

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:50 AM

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ok, so, in the HelloWorld example, we access the class level field MESSAGE, via HelloWorld.MESSAGE

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so, naturally, you'd assume to access test in the setTest method, you'd also do CoolObject.test

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but, since test is not static (bound by the class), that's not the case

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:52 AM

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wait no but

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public void setTest(String test) {
this.test = test;
}

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What test are we planning on using tho?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:52 AM

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so, when you use that method, you provide a string

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that string is a variable, called test

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that's a variable that exists at the local scope

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the method sets the class level test variable, to the value of the local scope test variable

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:53 AM

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public void setTest(String test) {
} ^ Lets assume this is the thing for now

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you said that string is a variable

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how so?

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ok well yea

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its a variable yea

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:54 AM

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aight so, as you should've deducted by now, there's multiple variables types in java

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for example, fields

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the variable declared there is a parameter

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Yea so the parameter variable is waht u meant right?

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 8:55 AM

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It's a variable with the special property that it's assigned on each method call

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:55 AM

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so what did you mean this.test = test;?

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this.test <- does that mean the parakmeter variable = test?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:55 AM

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that specific statement assigns the class level variable (field) test, to the local level variable (parameter) test

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this accesses the class scope

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:56 AM

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wait so

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JAVA Public void setTest(String test) <- THAT IS Field or Parameter??

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:56 AM

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String test this bit is a parameter

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:56 AM

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parameter is mroe general then field?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:57 AM

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No

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it's merely another type of variable

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:57 AM

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OH so field is what you put inside the thing like a variable and the parameter means whatever is insid ethe brackets

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like field is inside the setTest

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:58 AM

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fields are class level variables

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:58 AM

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public void setTest(String text) {
String hello;

}```

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hello is a field

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:58 AM

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no, that's a variable

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:58 AM

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and String text is parameter

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Why is it not a field?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:59 AM

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fields can only exist at the class level

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:59 AM

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It needs to be initialized to be a field?

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oh

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so watever is inside that method

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:59 AM

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public final class CoolObject {
  private String test; // this is a field
}```

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:59 AM

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is not a FIELD?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:59 AM

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correct

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however, keep in mind, you can access fields in a method

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:59 AM

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what do u call shit which is inside method

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like a variable

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:59 AM

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yes

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just call them variables

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 8:59 AM

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no speicifc word?

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ok

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 8:59 AM

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I mean you could call them local variables

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:00 AM

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But what about the

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Variables inside the parameters

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like for example

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public void setTest(String text) {

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isnt text a variable?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:00 AM

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text is a variable

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a parameter is a type of variable

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:00 AM

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anything more speicfic tho>?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:00 AM

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text is a parameter

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that's the specific part

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:00 AM

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I thought Parameter is everything INSIDE the brackets

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rahter tahn text

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text is just the name of the String right?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:01 AM

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essentially

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methods can have multiple parameters

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e.g.

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:01 AM

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So what is the text called alone

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:01 AM

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public void setTest(String test, String someOtherString)```

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:01 AM

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what about be both test and someOtherString be called

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other than variables?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Parameters

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:01 AM

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they're both parameters

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:01 AM

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BVut isnt parameters both

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Yes

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:01 AM

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String test <- isn't that the parameter

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:01 AM

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They are both parameters

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:02 AM

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so how can test be parameter?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:02 AM

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2 separate parameters

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:02 AM

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we cant call test parameter can we?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Why can't we?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:02 AM

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the specific text test in that code, is the name of a variable, and that variable is a parameter

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Cus isnt parameter the entire String test?

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So it would be fine to call the variable name a parameter?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Oh

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"test" would be a parameter name

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:03 AM

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call the variable name what it is, a variable name

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Ok

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so when you do this.test = test;

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this.test <- is taht the parameter name?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:03 AM

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no

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this.test = test <- this is the parameter name;

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:04 AM

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this.test = test;
What is Left side and what is right side?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:04 AM

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field = parameter

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:04 AM

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Right side = parameter name?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:04 AM

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yes

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:05 AM

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public void setTest(String test) {
this.test = test;
^ parameter name like the "String test <-" part

}

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:05 AM

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yep

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:05 AM

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ok then what is this.test?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:05 AM

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let's break it up

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ignoring the this, test refers to the field called test

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since there's also a parameter called test, we have to use this, to tell java to target the field

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not the parameter

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this, refers to the current instance of the class we're operating in

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:06 AM

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wiat wat was field again?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:06 AM

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public final class CoolObject {
  private String test; // this is a field
}```

@quiet depot

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Class level variables ok

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IS PARAMETER name a class level varaible?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:06 AM

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no

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Ah ok

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:06 AM

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parameters are local variables

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:07 AM

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BUT

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VARIABLES Inside a method which are NOT parameter names are ALSO local varialbes right?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:07 AM

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correct

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:07 AM

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ok

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:07 AM

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@prisma wave take notes lol, you should cover all this shit in your tut

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:07 AM

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which function is the best for sending area sounds?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Yeah I am lol

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This is good

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:08 AM

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I know a good ass tutorial on youtube one of the best ones i found I was gonna watch this but i just asked some questions :P

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:08 AM

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link

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:08 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cm1x4bC610

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:08 AM

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I'm yet to find a "good" tutorial after years of searching

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:08 AM

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I watched many tutorials and I didnt get it

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:08 AM

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howly 6:48h

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:08 AM

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butI watched that one i goot it, Then I quit for like 6 - months or 1 or 2 years

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:08 AM

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yeah nah i'm good lol not watching that shit to determine it's quality

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:08 AM

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ohhhh indian english yes

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:09 AM

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and i forgot it so rip

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CodeAcademy was also good

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:09 AM

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No

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It's absolute garbage

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:09 AM

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why?

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:09 AM

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i learned java by looking into all stuff on oracle XD

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i was brain washed

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Dude oracle hurts my eyes man

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:10 AM

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You can probably find docs on why it's trash

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Many people went over it

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:10 AM

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?

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:10 AM

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i liked the video i linked the most

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outta everything i did

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Oh

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and the online docs

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NO THX

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I seen the online docs

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Not what I'm implying

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:11 AM

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I prefer either reading a book like they taught in school OR the video

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:11 AM

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then order one

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:11 AM

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fresh, it's of paramount importance that you do not hold any information from tutorials like these orthodoxically

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:11 AM

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I took programming way back in grade 10, regret not taking it later on

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:11 AM

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you should assume at all times, that the content in the video, is plain wrong

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because it usually is

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Y?

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:12 AM

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when you take programing classes in slovenia you learn cout << "THIS IS COUT" << endl; YESSSSSS

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i've learned i know more than professors

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:12 AM

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but if someone teaches at schools and universities they shud be good right?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:12 AM

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I'm sure they excel in other areas

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:12 AM

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they cant be wrong

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:12 AM

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no fresh

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:12 AM

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If you've got like 12$ to spare, this is worth getting fingerguns
https://www.udemy.com/course/java-the-complete-java-developer-course/learn/lecture/6763756#overview

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:12 AM

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and teach in universities and schools

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:12 AM

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you should always assume everyone is wrong

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especially yourself

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:13 AM

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lol wait wat y?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:13 AM

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that doesn't mean you can't use and apply the information you learn

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just remember it's probably not the best way

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:13 AM

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one of my devs said best way was to buy Java 8 Book from Amazon and go over it

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:13 AM

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teachers usually teach the easiest way to learn not the best way one.

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:14 AM

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well, that may be your dev's opinion

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but it's just that

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:14 AM

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i think its better to learn from someone who has taught java to students for many years

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sot hey streamline their shit so that the students understands it

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the best

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:15 AM

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If you've got like 12$ to spare, this is worth getting
https://www.udemy.com/course/java-the-complete-java-developer-course/
cough

Udemy

Complete Java Software Developer Masterclass (for Java 10)

Learn Java In This Course And Become a Computer Programmer. Obtain valuable Core Java Skills And Java Certification

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:15 AM

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it asks to log in

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CA$154.99

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not 12$

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:15 AM

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personally, I learn best when taught irl, hands on; i'm a kinaesthetic learner

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Oh rip then, sale gone

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:16 AM

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fresh it's on sale frequently

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Yea like they teach in schools @quiet depot

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:16 AM

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they don't teach in the schools where I'm from 😦

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:16 AM

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I mean I have a DSA professor who has been teaching for a some time now and looks like he has a stroke everytime he tries to convert any of the algorithims he teaches to C xD

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:16 AM

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well ok thats not full hands on so nvm

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they talk about it and if you have questiosn you can ask

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but you follow the instructions in book

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:17 AM

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I mean I have a DSA professor who has been teaching for a some time now and looks like he has a stroke everytime he tries to convert any of the algorithims he teaches to C xD
what does he use to teach them?

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the p word language?

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:17 AM

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yea pseudo code

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:17 AM

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lol

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:17 AM

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xD

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:17 AM

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i mean python is basically pseudo code

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:17 AM

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ew python

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:17 AM

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He hates python as well

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:17 AM

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y hate python?

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:17 AM

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I mean I like that he hates it

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but yea

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:17 AM

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does he actually use python or pseudocode?

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:17 AM

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pseudocode

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:17 AM

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thought u were joking lol

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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oh no I was beign srs xD

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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I thought you meant pascal by p word lool

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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isnt pseudocode just code where you explain what your code is in shit like // or /* */

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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I said p word because I fucking hate python

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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php, get rekt noob

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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We correct the dude everytime

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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i'll try make that more obvious next time

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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why do you have python?

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Poor python

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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One of my friends likes python a lot and whenever he shows the prof something in python he screams at the dude

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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hate*

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Cause python doodoo

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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@viscid charm those are comments

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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then what is pseudocode?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:19 AM

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pseudo code is a general, understandable execution process of code, written however the fuck you want to write it

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:19 AM

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wtf they said thats waht pseudocode was

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:19 AM

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it's not a real language

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:19 AM

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ouch barr

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mhm

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:19 AM

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hate*
@dusky drum python is just a terribly designed language

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:19 AM

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ok

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:19 AM

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very

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:19 AM

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it's on par with javascript

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Kotlin on the other hand, what a beaute

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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fingers crossed for python 4

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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I like js slightly more 🙃

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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c++ wins

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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same lol

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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fingers crossed for python 4
When is it comin?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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soonish I expect

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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ah

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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I prefer js over python any day

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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it's on par with javascript
@quiet depot bad opinion

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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yo quick question

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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it's not based on fact johnny

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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LUA the best!

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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but you can't lie

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python is terribly designed

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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if short is more efficient than int in terms of like data why dont more devs use SHORT

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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^

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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instead of int

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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check out lua Piggy

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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I've used lua before

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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assuming they arent gonna go above a certain amount of numbers

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Who said that short is more efficient than int

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Because it isn't, mostly

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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if short is more efficient than int in terms of like data why dont more devs use SHORT
Not more efficient, uses less bits

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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I've used lua before
interesting

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Uses less data so doesnt it make it more efficient?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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lua is fine

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better than python

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Wait until you hit an overflow

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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if not work then

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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lua is especially great as a scripting language imo

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Fresh, it's nominal

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Uses less data so doesnt it make it more efficient?
Barely anything at this day and age

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:22 AM

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it's also used in modding for games

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not sure where else it could be used

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:22 AM

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they're still stored like an int

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:22 AM

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idk where

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:22 AM

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what do u mean nominal @hot hull ?

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Meaning just use int

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:22 AM

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shouldnt we use short if we can instead of int?

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:22 AM

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i know lua from fivem, used to make resources for fivem (scripts for servers).

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:22 AM

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No

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:22 AM

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No point

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:22 AM

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isn't it good practice to do that when int is not required you can just use short?

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:22 AM

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No not really

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:23 AM

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i know lua from fivem, used to make resources for fivem (scripts for servers).
Thank god that a c and not a k

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:23 AM

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only time I've seen short used in java is when networking is involved

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:23 AM

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shouldnt we use short if we can instead of int?
If you are absolutely sure your value wont exceed it you can, unless you want to face an overflow.
XD
its ussually just good practice to just use ints

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Its just a 2 byte difference

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:23 AM

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2 byte is 2 byte

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:23 AM

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OH if the options are like 1 - 2. Still use an INT?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:23 AM

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if they're 1 or 2, use a boolean

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:24 AM

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1-2 use boolean

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:24 AM

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2 byte is 2 byte
Overflow is overflow

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:24 AM

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1 - 3*

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:24 AM

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I mean if you're concerned about an int instead of a short, you should look at your other parts of the code

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:24 AM

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then use the shortest stuff there is

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:24 AM

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really depends what those numbers represent fresh

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:24 AM

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You guys don't really get it. The JVM is optimised for ints and you mostly don't even end up saving anything when using short

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Would using an INT over a short make the code more readable? If thats true then it makes sense to use int over short (EVEN if u dont need to use int)

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:24 AM

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What does that have to do with readability

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Nothing fingerguns

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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it makes it mroe readable tho

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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How so?

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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ur more familiar with ints,

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most people are

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rather than shorts

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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:what:

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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the smallest unit of data on the JVM stack is 32 bit

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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only people who don't code would have that opinion fresh

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Nice

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Well it would signify the possible range

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/3rfibicf.png

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jvms/se7/html/jvms-2.html#jvms-2.6.2

distant sun Aug 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Things arent always pretty 🤷

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 9:25 AM

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I Barely ever use shorts or bytes unless its networking

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:26 AM

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OH byte is the smallest

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not short

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 9:26 AM

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boolean 😄

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:26 AM

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bruh just forget those two exist, you'll never use them (and if you do, it's going to be specific af)

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:26 AM

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true

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but it says byte is for saving memory whoever said there is no difference.

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Just like everyone should forget that Thread.sleep exists fingerguns

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Ok but if thats the case why not use Long over INT?

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Because overkill

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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yep

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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cus Long would mean that in case it EVER gets to HUGE ass numbers you won't fk up or something

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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why not use BigInteger 🙂

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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oh whats that?

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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why not use STRING?

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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the smallest unit of data on the JVM stack is 32 bit
@old wyvern yeah that's what I was talking about. Primitives are stored on the stack where you can't get any smaller than 32 bit

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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big integer is string

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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String not a number tho

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Use a string and count the chars :kek:

distant sun Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Niall, dont

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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basically

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Y'all confusing this man now

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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O i thought it was 8 bit

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I thought byte was 8 bit

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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doubles and longs take up to places on the stack

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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yes it is pepper

distant sun Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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You need an entire machine to store 10^100

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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btw long is usualy used for hex stuff in java if im not wrong.

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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long is used often

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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which is why they can't be modified atomically btw

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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currency and timestamps and stuff

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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ye

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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long would be useful for prisons where balances are like in trillions

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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not without further measures that is

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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isnt currency usually in double?

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:28 AM

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You'd use BigInteger for that Fresh

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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no

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lol

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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isnt currency usually in double?
@dusky drum Not if you actually need accuracy

distant sun Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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BigInteger bad

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Double I think

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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ew Gasper, imagine having a currency which supports decimals

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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you'd use double i think

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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frosty you have cents?

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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No

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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yes

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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No clue what that is

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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XD

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price 99.99€

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Nah it's 99

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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whats that .99

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?

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:29 AM

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but everything piggy explained me, you guys think the spigot devs would know it xD?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:30 AM

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no

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well yes

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:30 AM

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wait actually?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:30 AM

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it's sort of common sense

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they probably wouldn't explain it like I did

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but they'd understand it

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:30 AM

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O

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:30 AM

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anyone has idea why when water flows over crops and breaks them in fromtoevent even if i set crop.type = Material.AIR it still drops seeds?

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like water flows faster than event ends?

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Does it have a drops list?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:31 AM

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I'd imagine because the event wasn't cancelled

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:31 AM

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but then water wouldn't flow

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:31 AM

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exactly

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and if the water flows, the item breaks

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no way to prevent it that way

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:31 AM

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i did it in java

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:31 AM

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you'd need two separate events

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:32 AM

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idk why i cant in kotlin

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:32 AM

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oh

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yeah no fucking clue lol

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:32 AM

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ye thats just spigot i guess

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:32 AM

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no

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that's kotlin

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:32 AM

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nnooo

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i did something different in java

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not sure what

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:32 AM

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just paste your java code into ij?

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:32 AM

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gonna try

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:32 AM

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it'll convert it to kotlin, and preserve semantics

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:32 AM

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most of the time

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:33 AM

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since i used event.block and not event.toblock but event.block is always AIR for some reason.

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:33 AM

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shit's funky

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:33 AM

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nvm

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:33 AM

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yo guys if you put a double into a int, it will lose some data like their decimal value. But what would happne if you put an int into a byte would it just lower the value to less than 127?

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:33 AM

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its same

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Spigot messy

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:34 AM

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im fucking confused now

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http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/jnul8o5u.png

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:34 AM

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double d = 5.5;
int i = d;

system.out.println(i);

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it will show 5

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so it lost 0.5

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:34 AM

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java:
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/el9j3mwc.png
http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/s1oox8pa.png

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:34 AM

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bruh what is that spacing

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:35 AM

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what would happen if you do something like that with int to byte <-?

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Also fix that beggining of arrow code fingerguns

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Would it lose value or give error?

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:35 AM

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over/underflow is what happens

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:35 AM

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round the value.

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:36 AM

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it will round the value or throw over/underflow?

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:36 AM

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how does rounding help when you take 3/4 of the size away

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:36 AM

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wait no it will be compilation error

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:36 AM

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overflow is not an exception

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:36 AM

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i remember i tried it

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:36 AM

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its a bit overflow

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Your sign bit gets inverted

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:36 AM

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it's not a compilation error

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:36 AM

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So you end up at the negative end

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:37 AM

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oh and did spigot 1.8 not have gson shaded in?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:37 AM

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spigot 1.8 has gson

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:37 AM

#

public class FirstCode {

public static void main(String args[]) {


    int i = 128;
    byte b = (byte)i;
    System.out.println(b);

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:37 AM

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cause that person still gets NoClass error

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:37 AM

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It gfave nothing

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:37 AM

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tell them it's a case of pebcak gasper

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 9:37 AM

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http://images.virtusdevelops.eu/shareX/e4g1pn2j.png

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:37 AM

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yea it shows nothing

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in println

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Try something out of byte range

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:38 AM

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128 is out of range

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:38 AM

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256+ numbers

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:38 AM

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127 is max nubmer

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it can process

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byte can only do 127 to-127

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:38 AM

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wasnt 8 bits up to 256

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:38 AM

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no

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Oh nvm

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:38 AM

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No thats short i think

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:38 AM

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bytes are -128 to 127

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:38 AM

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are you sure you even ran the programme

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:38 AM

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yes i ddi cus it said hello world

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:39 AM

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I just did the same and it overflows as expected

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:39 AM

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paste the whole code

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:39 AM

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public class FirstCode {

    public static void main(String args[]) {


        int i = 128;
        byte b = (byte)i;
        System.out.println(b);

        Herro.HerroDer.hello();

    }

    public static class Herro {

        public static class HerroDer {

            static void hello() {
                System.out.println("Hello World");
            }

        }

    }

}```

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 9:39 AM

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should work ¯_(ツ)_/¯

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:39 AM

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it's impossible that it doesn't print anything before hello world

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:39 AM

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OH

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WTF

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I SEE It now

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-128

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wtf?

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rounded it donw

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i guess

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:40 AM

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no

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no rounding

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still overflow

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:40 AM

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changed it

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doesnt say overflow tho

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:40 AM

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overflow is not an exception

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:40 AM

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We arent talking about a stack overflow

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:40 AM

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we've been over this multiple times now

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:41 AM

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Thats just a problem with stack datastructures in general

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:41 AM

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why does my eclipse say this about this

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long l = 21415303450;
The literal 21415303450 of type int is out of range

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giving me error

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eventho its a long

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:42 AM

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it's not a long

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:42 AM

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it says long

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:42 AM

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"eclipse"

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:42 AM

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any numeric literal expression without a decimal point is an int

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:42 AM

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There's your first issue fingerguns

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:43 AM

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add an L after the number to specify that its a Long

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:43 AM

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AH i gotit

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i added L

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yea

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why do u have to do that?

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:43 AM

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I just told you

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:43 AM

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^

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:43 AM

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It doesnt say overflow for me it says these things for me:
"-128
-59533030"

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:44 AM

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It wont "say" overflow

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Ah so I thought it was cus int is the default for all numbers without decimal point and double for all decimals

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:44 AM

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we litrally told you this multiple times now

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:44 AM

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didnt read my bad

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Ah so I thought it was cus int is the default for all numbers without decimal point and double for all decimals
@viscid charm that is why

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Ok so if
double d = 1.1D; what would be the ending for a int?

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:44 AM

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when java sees a regular number it doesn'T care about the size it just assumes it's an int

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Int doesnt need one

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:45 AM

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yea double doesnt need one either

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but i am wondering

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so thats why it makes sense to just use int all the time for integers rather than short or byte @lunar cypress

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:46 AM

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No

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The choice for having ints as the normal was BECAUSE ints are preffered

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:47 AM

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byte has its purpose

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especially with arrays

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in a lot of lower-level applications you need to deal with arrays of bytes

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:48 AM

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wat do u mean by

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:48 AM

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And arrays are different because they're reference types, meaning only their reference is stored in the 32 bit on the stack

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:48 AM

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lower level applications?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:49 AM

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fewer abstractions

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Ok so you know how
int a; The int part is data type. Primitive data type.
Would Player p; for spigot or bukkit or watever be considered a DATA type or just a type?

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:50 AM

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those are synonyms

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:50 AM

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so Player p; The PLAYER part is a DATATYPE?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Type and Data Type mean the same thing

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And yes Player is a type

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Data Type seems more specific to me

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:51 AM

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The only difference would be that the Player p; would be a reference to something on the heap while the primitive resides on the stack itself

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:51 AM

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^

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:51 AM

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what do u mean heap?

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Like in your code?

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and stack as in JVM?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:52 AM

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the heap is a section of memory

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As is the stack

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:52 AM

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https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jvms/se14/html/jvms-2.html#jvms-2.2

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:52 AM

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wahst the difference then?

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:52 AM

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read this

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:53 AM

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You learned java from that site @lunar cypress ?

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:53 AM

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no

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lol

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Thats the official documentation xD

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:53 AM

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it goes into the technical details

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explains how the jvm works

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all your specific questions have an answer there

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Is it best to learn from java documentation?

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it sucsk to read it tho X_X

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:54 AM

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I will mention that you probably don't need to know how the heap and stack work

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As long as you know the basic concepts

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 9:55 AM

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This is not the type of documentation you start with

viscid charm Aug 15, 2020, 9:55 AM

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Woudlnt my plugin be more optimize if I understand it @prisma wave ?

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 9:55 AM

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You're worried about the wrong optimization

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 9:58 AM

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Knowledge of how the JVM works might allow for potential micro-optimizations

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 10:00 AM

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it should be noted that those are expert topics. It's useful to know what you're working with, but it doesn't help you much as a beginner

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 10:01 AM

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^

lunar cypress Aug 15, 2020, 10:01 AM

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you should be concerned with the fundamentals of the language first and foremost

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 10:17 AM

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i still have no idea why my fromtoevent doesnt work correctly

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Because spigot fingerguns

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 10:21 AM

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its the same code as java but in kotlin it just doesnt work

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:22 AM

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kotlins explicit casting 🤢

#

although rust has it

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but rust does it better

meager cairn Aug 15, 2020, 10:23 AM

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Anyone here work with some kind of crate (wheel of fortune) plugin, before? Does the timer when the "wheel" spinning is the same? 🤔 . Or it stop when it pick the the correct prize 🤔

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:23 AM

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Ive got a command service bean, and it runs on enable, but for some reason my listener service bean doesnt.t.t.

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its the exact same as the other one, but for listeners not commands

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in b4 frcsty says baked beans as well

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Baked Beans

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:25 AM

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Ive only worked with rust crates

#

Ive got a command service bean, and it runs on enable, but for some reason my listener service bean doesnt.t.t.
@obtuse gale Wot

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Is this spring?

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:25 AM

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yea

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:25 AM

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Minecraft plugin?

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:25 AM

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no

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discord bot

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Send listener class
Make sure its annotated with @Component or something

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:26 AM

#


@Service
class ListenerService @Autowired constructor(
    private val attachment: Attachment,
    private val waiter: EventWaiter,
    private val jda: JDA
) {
    @Bean
    fun listeners() {
        println("Registering listeners")
        jda.addEventListener(attachment)
        jda.addEventListener(waiter)
    }
}```

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:26 AM

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Beans are meant to return something

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

#

o

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that would be it

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Just put the listener registring in a

init {
}

block

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:31 AM

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@heady birch still doesnt printout the thingo

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:32 AM

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too early for this

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:32 AM

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lol

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:32 AM

#

you gotta use the listener service somewhere I believe

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:32 AM

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right

#

I never use the cmd service anywhere tho

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:34 AM

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show the class now

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM

#

@Service
class ListenerService @Autowired constructor(
    attachment: Attachment,
    waiter: EventWaiter,
    jda: JDA
) {
    init{
        println("Registering listeners")
        jda.addEventListener(attachment)
        jda.addEventListener(waiter)
    }

}```

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Hm

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Shouldn't it be a Component

#

Probably won't make a difference but

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM

#

both should work

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM

#

ye

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM

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my other one is the same

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM

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right service import?

#

org.springframework.stereotype

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:36 AM

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import org.springframework.stereotype.Service

#

yea

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:37 AM

#

set log level trace

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:37 AM

#

how what when where

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:37 AM

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one sec

#

application.properties

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logging.level.root=TRACE

regal gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:43 AM

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@prisma wave ok so I already tested thing yesterday and apparently it returns MemorySection (yaml class)

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 10:43 AM

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ah yeah that makes sense

regal gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:43 AM

#

Guess I have to convert them back to Map...

#

Wait, should I do HashMap or LinkedHashMap?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 10:45 AM

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doesn't really matter but probably Linked

remote goblet Aug 15, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Whats the difference

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Linked maintains insertion order

#

HashMap doesn't

regal gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:46 AM

#

^

#

Uhm.. i think i should do Linked one for the safety of array index preserve..

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:47 AM

#

I have forgotten the way of manual dependency injection

#

Plugin class as the composition root 🤢

#

object1 = new Object1(this);
object2 = new Object2();
object3 = new Object3(object1, object2);
object4 = new Object4(object1);
object5 = new Object5(object3);
object6 = new Object6();
object7 = new Object7(object4, object5, object6);
object8 = new Object8();

#

Makes me sick

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 10:49 AM

#

horrifying

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 10:50 AM

#

You disgust me Niall

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:50 AM

#

@heady birch I enabled it, what should I be looking for in the logs?

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:51 AM

#

anything that mentions that class really

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:51 AM

#

11 results

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:51 AM

#

@prisma wave me without DI container 😦

#

Spigojector

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 10:51 AM

#

clojure doesn't need DI 🌚

#

neither does VBScript

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:52 AM

#

Me.SomeField = False

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:52 AM

#

Creating shared instance of singleton bean 'listenerService'```

#

Creating instance of bean 'listenerService'```

#

Eagerly caching bean 'listenerService' to allow for resolving potential circular references```

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:53 AM

#

Thats fine

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:53 AM

#

Finished creating instance of bean 'listenerService'```

#

So whats the problem lol

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:53 AM

#

Probably kotlin fault

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 10:54 AM

#

quiet

#

it's not

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:54 AM

#

FIx it then

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 10:54 AM

#

no

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:54 AM

#

Open an issue on kotin bug tracker

#

They will love it

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 10:54 AM

#

how would one fix this then lol

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 10:54 AM

#

Idk

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 10:55 AM

#

sounds like a spring problem

#

spring bad

errant geyser Aug 15, 2020, 11:09 AM

#

Spring gud

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 11:13 AM

#

guice better

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:14 AM

#

Baked beans do I hear

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 11:15 AM

#

When I am picking a license for an open source premium plugin. I don't want any of this "I contributed 3 lines worth of a null check" and then release there own forked free version, or a forked premium version.
So short term, I would allow:

Contribution to the base repo.
Forking for private use
No forking for public redistribution (free or premium)

and of course bukkit GPL license comes into this:

All plugins being required to be GPL because they use Bukkit.

#

Which license is suitable, if not I can write my own pretty easily right?

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:16 AM

#

Write your own fingerguns

#

And just sue anyone who tries to release it illegaly reversed_fingerguns

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 11:16 AM

#

i wouldn't take action

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:17 AM

#

Time to fork and release as premium then >:}

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 11:18 AM

#

FrozenBoard

#

Great name

#

"My board froze plz help"

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:19 AM

#

Best font there is fingerguns

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heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 11:24 AM

#

@prisma wave How do I fix this then: https://discordapp.com/channels/164280494874165248/695431668944732270/744145301014708264

#

Like... 😦

#

It's all I've ever known

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:24 AM

#

You don't

regal gale Aug 15, 2020, 11:24 AM

#

I finally added something on js-expansion :)

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 11:24 AM

#

So?

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:25 AM

#

Is this not correct?

archiveFileName "SpawnerMechanics-${version}.jar"

I had this inside shadow jar, but it doesn't like it

regal gale Aug 15, 2020, 11:25 AM

#

Instead of doing like this:
var amount = Data.get("data.thing.that")
will be:
var amount = DataVar.data.thing.that

#

Ofc i won't remove the 1st one there

#

Btw, now with array support :+1:

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:27 AM

#

My IJ's font is cucked, it feels so odd now

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 11:46 AM

#

@hot hull archiveFileName = ""

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:47 AM

#

smh

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 11:47 AM

#

and does ${version} even work?

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:48 AM

#

My own string so yes fingerguns

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 11:48 AM

#

ic

distant sun Aug 15, 2020, 11:52 AM

#

project.version

main grotto Aug 15, 2020, 11:53 AM

#

When I am picking a license for an open source premium plugin. I don't want any of this "I contributed 3 lines worth of a null check" and then release there own forked free version, or a forked premium version.
So short term, I would allow:

Contribution to the base repo.

Forking for private use

No forking for public redistribution (free or premium)

and of course bukkit GPL license comes into this:

All plugins being required to be GPL because they use Bukkit.
@heady birch don't go for open-source

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:54 AM

#

Go for OS

main grotto Aug 15, 2020, 11:54 AM

#

No

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:54 AM

#

Yes.

main grotto Aug 15, 2020, 11:54 AM

#

No open-source license would allow him to do that ...

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:54 AM

#

If he made his own it would

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 11:55 AM

#

project.version
@distant sun thats what i use ye

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 11:55 AM

#

Open source good

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 11:55 AM

#

imagine making ur own string

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 11:55 AM

#

Closed source bad

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:56 AM

#

Kali, what? I already have a version string so what's the point?

version = "1.0.0"

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 11:56 AM

#

That's shorthand for project.version afaik

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:56 AM

#

It is yes

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 11:56 AM

#

Groovy is weird

#

I actually had to write some groovy the other day

#

It was a strange experience

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 11:58 AM

#

why strange

#

what u write

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 11:58 AM

#

I was testing how closures work for the pdm plugin

#

They're weird

#

You like make a function and then you initialise it with the receiver type or something

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 11:59 AM

#

cOlOrZ

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onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 12:00 PM

#

i kinda like that

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 12:01 PM

#

Someone should really make a completelly rainbow plugin

#

Also KM, seems like you can only define 5 colors, which is :((

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 12:01 PM

#

😔

heady birch Aug 15, 2020, 12:27 PM

#

yeah thats what i thought

#

everything i stated kind of.. isnt open source

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 12:34 PM

#

whats so different from 1.16.1 to 1.16.2?

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 12:36 PM

#

great question

#

@heady birch os it no balls

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 12:42 PM

#

@dusky drum nms changes, brutes were added

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 12:43 PM

#

but nms still bad yes?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 12:44 PM

#

it's not great

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 12:46 PM

#

fingerguns

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 12:47 PM

#

why nms bad?

#

howly they added support for custom biomes

#

wat ta hak

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 12:48 PM

#

messy

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 12:48 PM

#

but will probably get better over time wont iot?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 12:51 PM

#

maybe a bit

#

but it's always been a mess

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 12:51 PM

#

true

#

but i love new custom biomes feature :3

empty flint Aug 15, 2020, 1:00 PM

#

Awesome my parser also colors actions correctly now!
@ocean quartz Is that available as open-source? I want to ~~steal~~ borrow your code, it looks dope

obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 1:01 PM

#

https://github.com/ipsk/mf-msg

#

That looks like it - I think lol

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 1:06 PM

#

what would be the best way to handle Locales, using enum class?

empty flint Aug 15, 2020, 1:11 PM

#

what would be the best way to handle Locales, using enum class?
@Gasper Lukman#6926 Resource Bundles

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 1:13 PM

#

wtf is that

#

im on kotlin btw

#

so if anyone has idea how i could handle Locales, instead of getting configuration file each time.

ocean quartz Aug 15, 2020, 1:40 PM

#

@empty flint Yup it's the link Aj posted but it's not ready for production yet

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 1:44 PM

#

wait can i see showcase @ocean quartz i didnt see it in action

ocean quartz Aug 15, 2020, 1:46 PM

#

Here is an example #showcase message
And this is the latest thing i added

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prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 1:53 PM

#

this is a long shot, anyone got any idea why 1 project would deploy to a nexus repository manager instance just fine, but the other would fail with the error peer not authenticated?
For context, I'm running this script on Travis-CI:

echo Publishing Common Lib...
./gradlew common-lib:publish
echo Done!

echo Publishing PDM Runtime...
./gradlew pdm:publish
echo Done!

the common-lib publishes fine, but pdm fails. Completely the same publishing config in build.gradle, credentials are setup correctly

empty flint Aug 15, 2020, 1:53 PM

#

so if anyone has idea how i could handle Locales, instead of getting configuration file each time.
@dusky drum Im telling you, use Resource Bundles. IntelliJ -> new -> Resource Bundle.

#

Just Google how to use it instead of fucking about with Enums

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 1:56 PM

#

are you fucking retarded thats locales for fucking formating stuff.

ocean quartz Aug 15, 2020, 1:56 PM

#

I use enums but it isn't great

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 1:57 PM

#

oke.

#

gonna check your github repo to see how ya do it

#

if i can find them

ocean quartz Aug 15, 2020, 1:57 PM

#

Check triumph-pets

#

The development branch

dusky drum Aug 15, 2020, 2:00 PM

#

danke

regal gale Aug 15, 2020, 2:04 PM

#

@prisma wave i did some nasty moves for yaml now 👀

#

Converting from MemorySection -> HashMap recursively

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 2:17 PM

#

When you make your own holograms and they work as they should (||sarcasm||)

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obtuse gale Aug 15, 2020, 2:17 PM

#

probably because 1.8

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 2:17 PM

#

I managed to fuck up the entire storage system without even touching it

#

😕

remote goblet Aug 15, 2020, 2:41 PM

#

imagine not using RoseStacker peepoHappy

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 2:43 PM

#

@regal gale lol why not just to MemorySection#getValues?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 3:59 PM

#

@silk jewel are you using bukkit's config api, or snakeyaml directly?

#

#getMapList

#

it's a list of maps

#

they're wildcard generics

#

means the type is unknown

#

equivalent to Object

lavish notch Aug 15, 2020, 4:05 PM

#

With gradle, I was told I could compile with only what I used in a specific library (in this case, ConfigMe) - to reduce file size. How do I do it?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:06 PM

#

minimize()

#

in the shadowJar closure

lavish notch Aug 15, 2020, 4:07 PM

#

Could you show me an example?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:08 PM

#

shadowJar {
  minimize()
}```

#

although that's literally exactly what you do

#

lol

lavish notch Aug 15, 2020, 4:09 PM

#

Just minimize(), or something like minimize(Library)?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:09 PM

#

no

#

literally just minimize()

lavish notch Aug 15, 2020, 4:09 PM

#

k

#

That didn't seem to do anything

#

My file size is the same

#

Actually I tell a lie - 10kb difference

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:10 PM

#

yeah it won't be a significant difference for only 1 library

#

configme is already pretty small afaik

lavish notch Aug 15, 2020, 4:10 PM

#

My file size is currently 384kb

#

for a super simple, stupid fly management plugin

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 4:10 PM

#

wait thats a thing

#

so how much would it save if i minimize with kotlin 🤔

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:12 PM

#

not a whole lot

#

between 300 and 600kb usually

#

but imagine using shadow anyway

#

fingerguns

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 4:13 PM

#

pfff who needs minimize anyway when u have pdm

#

YEP

surreal quarry Aug 15, 2020, 4:19 PM

#

does anyone know why something would show up in my external libraries, but i wouldn't be able to use the dependency or any of its methods

#

its in mavenLocal()

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:20 PM

#

is the jar file right?

surreal quarry Aug 15, 2020, 4:21 PM

#

yea when i look at it in winrar it has everything i would expect to see

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:21 PM

#

build.gradle?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 4:23 PM

#

winrar

#

smh

#

vb, quick jvm question, is it possible gc is killing my list before my schedule runs?

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prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:24 PM

#

oh boy

#

possibly?

#

i doubt gc is that agressive though, what's the delay on the task?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 4:25 PM

#

1 - 3 secs

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:25 PM

#

hm seems unlikely

surreal quarry Aug 15, 2020, 4:25 PM

#

https://paste.jaims.dev/vapequvedu.cs - for the dependency
https://paste.helpch.at/yubayeporu.coffeescript - the dependencies submodules

https://paste.jaims.dev/ejozuwikeq.cs - for my plugin
https://paste.jaims.dev/otihuxupuz.coffeescript - for my plugins submodules

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:25 PM

#

which bit in particular is null?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 4:25 PM

#

no clue

#

it just points to the lambda

#

will try some debugging

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:26 PM

#

alrighty

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 4:27 PM

#

ahh

#

sneaky

#

i see the issue

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:27 PM

#

what is it?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 4:27 PM

#

there's a flaw in my logic somewhere

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:27 PM

#

@surreal quarry what's the dependency that can't be resolved?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 4:28 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

surreal quarry Aug 15, 2020, 4:28 PM

#

dev.jaims.mcutils:bukkit:2.1.1
and dev.jaims.mcutils:bungee:2.1.1.

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 4:28 PM

#

not sure how that's possible

#

everything is filtered beforehand

#

guess i'll have to debug that too

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:28 PM

#

odd

#

yeah

#

publishing {
        publishing {
            publications {
                mavenJava(MavenPublication) {
                    from components.java
                }
            }
            repositories {
                mavenLocal()
            }
        }
    }```

publishing {
publishing {```
?

#

you sure that's correct?

surreal quarry Aug 15, 2020, 4:30 PM

#

nope lol

#

its probably not

#

changed to

    publishing {
        publications {
            mavenJava(MavenPublication) {
                from components.java
            }
        }
        repositories {
            mavenLocal()
        }
    }```

#

still doesn't seem to be working

#

but i guess ill check the syntax for the rest of it

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:32 PM

#

that looks alright

#

you've checked that it's in the correct path of maven local right?

surreal quarry Aug 15, 2020, 4:33 PM

#

yea
.m2/repository/dev/jaims/mcutils/bukkit/2.1.1/{jar here}

#

same for bungee

#

but bungee instead of bukkit

#

its publishToMavenLocal right

#

for the task

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:35 PM

#

not sure

#

try publish

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 4:35 PM

#

does bukkit block have a custom equals & hashcode impl?

#

need to know if I can rely on it in a set

surreal quarry Aug 15, 2020, 4:36 PM

#

yea publish didn';t change it

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:38 PM

#

@quiet depot https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/browse/src/main/java/org/bukkit/craftbukkit/block/CraftBlock.java
according to this no it doesn't

#

but subclasses might define one

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 4:38 PM

#

fak

#

maybe the location has one

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:39 PM

#

Location definitely has one

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 4:39 PM

#

yep it does

#

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/bukkit/browse/src/main/java/org/bukkit/Location.java#570

#

neat

#

will just use that

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:40 PM

#

fingerguns

surreal quarry Aug 15, 2020, 4:41 PM

#

well bm when i use the maven plugin and run gradle install, it works fine

#

nothing appears to change but it works for some reason

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:42 PM

#

odd

#

that plugin is deprecated afaik

surreal quarry Aug 15, 2020, 4:43 PM

#

yea i think it is

#

im not planning to use it i just wanted to test it

#

the difference actually is it didn't include any of my shadowJar artifacts

#

nothing is shaded

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:44 PM

#

you probably shouldn't be publishing shaded artifacts anyway

surreal quarry Aug 15, 2020, 4:44 PM

#

like don't shade at all for that stuff?

#

just add the dependencies in the project

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:45 PM

#

if you're publishing a library you would typically declare any transitive dependencies with the api or implementation configurations

surreal quarry Aug 15, 2020, 4:45 PM

#

ok

#

well idk why but not shading stuff fixes it

#

so i guess i'll go with that lol

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:50 PM

#

@quiet depot I don't suppose you know how to fix this?
pdm is in 3 modules, I need to publish 2 of them to a maven repo, and 1 to gradle plugins portal
I was doing this with a simple shell script: ```sh
./gradlew common-lib:publish

./gradlew pdm:publish

./gradlew pdm-gradle:publishPlugins
``` but for some reason my repo rejects the second publish task (peer not authenticated, credentials are definitely correct).
It works if I don't publish common-lib, so it's possibly a problem with gradle

Anyway, my idea for a possible fix is to make a single gradle task that publishes everything

task publishAll {
    dependsOn subprojects.find { it.name == 'common-lib' }.tasks.getByName("publish")
    dependsOn subprojects.find { it.name == 'pdm' }.tasks.getByName("publish")
    dependsOn subprojects.find { it.name == 'pdm-gradle' }.tasks.getByName("publishPlugins")
}

but this fails because publishPlugin's cant be found (because it gets loaded before the pdm-gradle module loads its plugins)
any ideas?

#

sorry for the huge paragraph btw

#

just running out of ideas lol

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 4:52 PM

#

i'm sorry dude

#

I've got no clue

#

I've never used the publish task

#

I have a big fat script that interacts with maven cli whenever I publish shit

#

https://github.com/PiggyPiglet/Framework/blob/master/scripts/deploy.sh not exactly useful to u tho

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:53 PM

#

Ah it was worth a try

#

Thanks anyway I guess

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 4:54 PM

#

when bm helps everyone but no one can help him 😔

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 4:54 PM

#

Sheesh

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:54 PM

#

😔

#

suffering from success

#

i think i've got an idea for a workaround

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 4:55 PM

#

When noone helps BM, so he helps himself 😣

ocean quartz Aug 15, 2020, 4:55 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:55 PM

#

lmaoo

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 4:56 PM

#

😭

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 4:56 PM

#

That is godly Matt

#

📎 IMG_20200807_105805.jpg

#

📎 IMG_20200813_085517.jpg

ocean quartz Aug 15, 2020, 4:57 PM

#

📎 1594968572000.jpg

#

I prefer this one

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 4:58 PM

#

Doesn't sound as nice as the other one

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 4:58 PM

#

got ratelimited by my own maven repository 😔

#

i think

#

fuming

#

IT WORKS

analog crater Aug 15, 2020, 5:36 PM

#

#738969308746612766 kotsumag and his broken plugins

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 5:39 PM

#

Probably not his fault and just an issue with WorldGuard version change from 6 to 7

versed ridge Aug 15, 2020, 5:44 PM

#

Why wouldn't he just ask him to update it lol

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 5:45 PM

#

thonk

ocean quartz Aug 15, 2020, 5:45 PM

#

anyone able to fix it if I send source? its a custom plugin made by kotsumag but he's a bit busy atm

versed ridge Aug 15, 2020, 5:45 PM

#

ah

#

my b

ocean quartz Aug 15, 2020, 5:45 PM

#

It's alright was just showing the reason ;p

hot hull Aug 15, 2020, 5:45 PM

#

Everyone legit wanting plugin ipdates recently, does everyone just discontinue their plugin after the first update :p

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:53 PM

#

there's no money to be made from updating stuff

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ocean quartz Aug 15, 2020, 5:54 PM

#

Ayy you changed your name back to normal xD

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:54 PM

#

for now

ocean quartz Aug 15, 2020, 5:54 PM

#

What's gonna be the next one? C++ Mitten?

#

PDM Mitten 👀

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:54 PM

#

I'd rather die

#

👀

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 5:55 PM

#

C# Mitten plz

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:55 PM

#

Elara Mitten

#

fingerguns

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 5:55 PM

#

YES

#

DO IT

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:55 PM

#

when it actually works I will

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 5:55 PM

#

have u fixed elara yet?

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 5:55 PM

#

Also, structs almost done alongside type parameters for func def

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:55 PM

#

nice

#

@quiet depot fixed what bit?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 5:55 PM

#

all the inconsistencies I outlined the other day

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:56 PM

#

oh

#

uh

#

maybe

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 5:56 PM

#

.-.

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 5:56 PM

#

What were the inconsistencies you specified?

#

function syntax?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 5:56 PM

#

i can't even remember

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:56 PM

#

I think it was mostly let

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 5:56 PM

#

rip

#

oh

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 5:56 PM

#

oh yet

#

let was one of them

#

regarding functions, I questioned why you chose =>

ocean quartz Aug 15, 2020, 5:57 PM

#

Also Yugi, look how far the message lib has gotten ;p

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quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 5:57 PM

#

you said => was easy to type

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 5:57 PM

#

Ayyy gg matt

#

is it complete?

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 5:57 PM

#

even though => is objectively harder to type than ->

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 5:57 PM

#

you said => was easy to type
@quiet depot
Wait wha

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:57 PM

#

is right next to =

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 5:57 PM

#

the keys are next to each other

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:57 PM

#

lol

ocean quartz Aug 15, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Almost, there is still a few things to do involving colors and also need to work on a good basecomponent to string converter

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:57 PM

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the easiest might be something like >>

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 5:57 PM

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it's like a millimeter closer

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in my defence, I don't think I brought that one up

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:58 PM

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you mentioned it briefly I think

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 5:58 PM

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yeah, I mentioned it, but I didn't bring up => specifically

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lemme check

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Almost, there is still a few things to do involving colors and also need to work on a good basecomponent to string converter
@ocean quartz
Ah I see, GJ bro 💯

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 5:59 PM

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ohh

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it was :=

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I was saying => is harder to type than :=

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 5:59 PM

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oh yeah

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 5:59 PM

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u said u don't like walrus operator, and then I said my reasoning of why it's better

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which was it's easier to type

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 6:00 PM

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well you can't really compare the 2

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they do different things

onyx loom Aug 15, 2020, 6:00 PM

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vbscript for life

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 6:00 PM

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do they?

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 6:00 PM

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walrus is usually for variable declaration

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=> is usually for functions

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 6:00 PM

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usually is irrelevant

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only thing that matters is what elara uses

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 6:01 PM

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true

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it's using => atm

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 6:01 PM

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ahhh ok

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I re read

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so here's exactly what happened

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I said I like vlang, niall said :=, I said yep, you said walrus operator is hard to type

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 6:01 PM

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ah yeah

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 6:02 PM

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I said => is arguably harder to type

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was nothing todo with the usage of either in elara

old wyvern Aug 15, 2020, 6:02 PM

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I mean => also has this in some themes xD

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quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 6:02 PM

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merely the presence

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 6:02 PM

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yeah

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 6:02 PM

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walrus has a ligature aswell

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in fira code

prisma wave Aug 15, 2020, 6:02 PM

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being tricky to type isn't the only reason I dislike it

quiet depot Aug 15, 2020, 6:02 PM

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walrus or =>?