easier said than done
#dev-general
prisma wave
heady birch
idk sounds pretty easy to me 🙂
for (int i = 0; i < 10; i++) {
new Thread() {
@Override
public void run() {
calculate();
}
}
}
you got no excuses really
prisma wave
imagine sleeping
heady birch
eat code complain repeat
signal tinsel
Github packages wtf
Do you need to authorize to use a public github packages thing?
quiet depot
@signal tinsel yes, that's why no one uses gh packages for public projects
signal tinsel
Lmao
jovial warren
good day all
regal gale
Is anyone gonna be triggered a lot on this tutorial? https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/custom-entityplayer-class-with-skins-that-take-damage.437594/#post-3801219
jovial warren
well it's Java for a start lol
regal gale
I was at first like "This tutorial is interesting, i need this a lot"
jovial warren
no the Java isn't that bad
the uneven indentation bugs me
public class DummyNetworkManager extends NetworkManager {
public DummyNetworkManager(EnumProtocolDirection enumprotocoldirection) {
super(enumprotocoldirection); // <-- this should be indented by the same amount as the rest of the indentation smh
}
}
```wtf is thatThere's a lot of missing explanations on that tutorial actually
jovial warren
yeah this guy's just copy and pasted from his IDE and done no refactoring I bet
actually no because even then indentation would be fine
maybe he just writes like that
@Override
public void tick() {
this.getBukkitEntity().teleport(...); //make it teleport to a location
}
```that's straight copied from the IDEanyway enough about the styling
what's he actually trying to teach
jovial warren
"Where texture is the texture" well nah no shit sherlock
that was harsh lol
also this guy doesn't know what 🐪 💼 is or what coding conventions are
regal gale
Just observe all of the explanation, you'll see lol
regal gale
Camelcase 
jovial warren
camelCaseLooksLikeThis
PascalCaseLooksLikeThis
snake_case_looks_like_this
three main cases used in programming
in Java/Kotlin we mostly use camelCase and PascalCase
hot hull
I use MaDfIsHbOiCaSe
jovial warren
you use whatever the fuck case @hot hull
in Python they use snake_case a lot
and in C as well
C# uses PascalCase for methods which is really fucking weird
varies between language
old wyvern
Thats because C# is considered closer to java
jovial warren
Java doesn't use PascalCase for method names though lol
PascalCase on method names just looks weird imo
probably because I'm used to camelCase
old wyvern
Yea That lost me a lot of marks in my unity exams
jovial warren
Unity's in C#?
old wyvern
yes
jovial warren
also who has a Unity exam
heady birch
they grade you on convention?
jovial warren
ofc they do lol
old wyvern
ofc not, the default functions use those conventions
jovial warren
we get taught Python at my school
regal gale
You guys forgot js ._.
heady birch
IDLE?
regal gale
My school only grade how functional it is 👀
jovial warren
I've asked for IntelliJ many times and they don't even say no they just don't respond
old wyvern
update funtion in unity would be Update() while I kept overriding update() in all classes
This is on paper
so
no IDE to correct me
hot hull
Why the fuck would you write code on paper lmao
old wyvern
Exams
jovial warren
My so-called "I.T" team consists of one guy who's employed under the title "Desktop Support", because people are so stupid that they can't even navigate around fucking Windows 10 or use a projector properly. And the the other guy is the Sys Admin for the academies trust.
old wyvern
You shouldnt always rely on the IDE to hold your back
hot hull
How is it not
jovial warren
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/oliver-draine-a4810b66 this is my fucking Sys Admin
hot hull
Well no shit, but you won't be coding without an IDE now will you
jovial warren
I love how that allows you to find out the area that I live in and the school I go to lol
jovial warren
I can't even compile Java on the machines
old wyvern
lol
jovial warren
there's no software that'll do it
PyScripter is the portable version so it doesn't compile Python on the actual machines lol
it's just a piss take
old wyvern
Tbh Java has cost me a lot of random marks
I used a new keyword to construct object in a C exam
jovial warren
Java's kinda easy
old wyvern
Its not a java exam tho
old wyvern
Nah
old wyvern
Im still learning C
first thing that comes to my mind when I think of creating a object is the new keyword so I kept writing that everywhere xD
jovial warren
use Kotlin so you can still kinda be familiar but get used to not using new
jovial warren
you still using Java btw?
old wyvern
Im using many languages?
old wyvern
Java, Scala and Kotlin
prisma wave
Scala 🤔
prisma wave
it's more functional
jovial warren
since Kotlin compiles faster and has coroutines
and other features
also btw just out of JVM languages for the minute, anyone here used Dart?
prisma wave
very briefly
in one of those coding challenges
i wanna do some more of them now lol
jovial warren
gotta use Dart for Flutter
old wyvern
Idek what Dart is
jovial warren
Dart is the language that Flutter uses, made by Google
prisma wave
it's pretty nice
old wyvern
I see
jovial warren
think it does more than just Android and iOS as well
though no one really uses anything other than those OSes
heady birch
symbian
pastel imp
so bois quick question.. which version of spigot would you guys recommend to do a server? (any version that supports viaversion etc..)
glad spear
Paper pft use good ol vanilla 
jovial warren
it's just paper
pastel imp
It came to my attention that newer versions may have more features.. ex. deluxemenus has more features in the newer versions
glad spear
1.14.4 I use
jovial warren
the "spigot" was dropped from paper a couple of years ago 🙂
pastel imp
oof
old wyvern
You should choose depending on the specs you have I guess
pastel imp
I am outdated
jovial warren
yeah but newer versions are generally lower performance
glad spear
Generally ye
jovial warren
so there's that to consider
old wyvern
Wouldnt go below 1.12 either
jovial warren
why?
old wyvern
1.13+ works better if you have enough ram
glad spear
Get 1.8 
jovial warren
1.13+ is slower than 1.12-
old wyvern
@jovial warren thats the last version before a lot of the thigns were rewritten
jovial warren
yeah ik
old wyvern
You asked why
old wyvern
It works fine if you have a good enough server
jovial warren
true
glad spear
64G dedicated server
jovial warren
I always suggest going for 1.13+ or ideally the latest for SMP servers, 1.8 for KitPvP or PvP-based servers and hub servers, and 1.12 for prison/skyblock servers
why does one need a 64 GB dedi?
glad spear
You don’t lmao
jovial warren
unless one owns a large server
old wyvern
I have a 15GB 1.15.2 server, runs fine till like 30 players
jovial warren
yeah 1.15.2 is crap for performance
glad spear
Facts
glad spear
My survival on 1.15.2 ate shit at 20 players all building fucking cactus farms and shit
jovial warren
sounds about right
1.7.10 is so good with performance
even with mods
until someone I know logs on and builds some monster machine
old wyvern
Yea I had a dude build a laggy restone piston build, server crashed in like a minute
glad spear
Fr I don’t understand why people do that lmao
glad spear
They just build laggy ass shit it’s annoying lmao
old wyvern
I mean he wasnt tryign to build anything useful
it was litrally a whole bunch of pistons
glad spear
I logged on one day to find some dickhead built like a contraption with item frames, moving doors and pistons the minute you loaded that chunk, the server crashed even with 10g ram
Might’ve been 15 actually
spare niche
how to give permission of guishop help plz
lavish notch
how to permission mod use
pastel imp
so I was thinking on using a 1.12.2 paper but my friend is saying maybe using a plugins so that 1.8 can also join may be a little bit sh@ cause lag and some other compatibily issues
is that a fact?
or just some random things he's saying?
errant geyser
?tryandsee
compact perchBOT
FAQ Answer:
errant geyser
Mostly though ViaBackwards should be fine, I've never had any issues with it
tiny flower
anyone have a library of bezier path in java?
hot hull
Bezier?
jovial warren
that's the C++ version ofc
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/878200/java-curve-fitting-library apparently Apache Commons Math can do the curve thingys
tiny flower
is like that i guess
the idea is when i add some points he gives me a set of points that forms a curve path
errant geyser
Pretty sure Yugi is very good with this kinda stuff
jovial warren
@old wyvern
jovial warren
he'll appear
jovial warren
if there isn't an existing pure Java implementation and you really want this to work you could always make your own
tiny flower
obviously i will need to adapt to my project but create one from scratch ..
jovial warren
yeah might be a bit complex
errant geyser
#bot-commands you can type =level, but level != tier
You get Tier 2 at level 10 I think it is
obtuse gale
so i was wandering if someone can tell me how a vps host works as in like the little box where the internet is and people buy webhosts for minecrraft serverr im wondering how they get the internet to be fast do they all have their own seperate routers or what?
jovial warren
VPS' are basically glorified virtual machines
they all run on the same physical machine, but use different networks, and so have different IP addresses
both VPS and web hosting are shared
obtuse gale
ah okay
eternal compass
Where is the correct place to ask to hire someone to design "phases" for a oneblock server? (phases are which blocks/entities will spawn, and what will spawn inside chests)
Besides in #727778089857187861
(Like forums and such)
ocean quartz
@hot hull Did you test the inventory types on your fork?
Like, setting items, interaction with the fillers, interaction with the invalid slot?
old wyvern
@jovial warren
Was asleep welp, had to wake up early today- I have my course registration in a few hours.
@tiny flower
By bezier path I assume you mean a bezier curve with n control points.
You can just use the generalized equation of a bezier curve to calculate that.
which would be:
f(t) = sigma(r = 0 to n){ nCr * (1 - t)^(n - r) * (t)^(r) * point[r] } where n = (no. of points - 1)
Here's a simple implementation I wrote
https://gist.github.com/Vshnv/691ce20fd16c082f6f7b2b35e9739eef
hot hull
@ocean quartz Yes
tiny flower
@old wyvern what i think is that what i need wtf you're a god!
its hard do adapt to 3d?
according to this
is like that?
old wyvern
Should be easy to adapt to 3d
Just set the point array size to 3 and add the func w.r.t z too
is like that?
http://prntscr.com/tbl936
@tiny flower
Almost yea, just make sure to add another element topointwhen instantiating it
tiny flower
yes xd i already added
old wyvern
Alrighty that should be it
tiny flower
you helped me a lot! thank you.
old wyvern
you're welcome
tiny flower
@old wyvern Hey u already help me a lot but a question, is possible for the spacing between points always equals? http://prntscr.com/tbloe3
In this case, instead of saying how many points I want, he would get the points he thinks is necessary
topaz bay
thoughts?
Used it to make this https://streamable.com/ew6hk
Emulating how Mercy's (from Overwatch) healing/damage boost beam works
tiny flower
@topaz bay your wave moves when you're still, how did you do that?
topaz bay
That beam uses 3 control points
that stationary party, a point right in front of my face, and then a third one that is being constantly pushed forward and back from my face
hot hull
oof
hot hull
kek
hot hull
Sx, any suggestions as to how would one clean this up kek? (Just like when it comes to organisation) https://paste.helpch.at/lumufisoke.java
tiny flower
you can divide by modules
topaz bay
fucking gross
hot hull
Exactly, so suggestions?
tiny flower
public boolean isBanned(FPlayer player) {
for (BanInfo info : bans) {
if (info.getBanned().equalsIgnoreCase(player.getId())) {
return true;
}
}
return false;
}
``` btw u can use lambda
public String getRule(int index) {
if (rules.size() == 0) return null;
return rules.get(index);
}
``` ternary operator: rules.size() == 0 ? null : rules.get(index)Not my code, I wouldn't be asking for suggestions on cleaning up since I'd make it clean from the start
tiny flower
ofc
hot hull
Contemplating life decisions
tiny flower
private int getChestSize() {
int size = FactionsPlugin.getInstance().getConfig().getInt("fchest.Default-Size");
switch (getUpgrade(UpgradeType.CHEST)) {
case 1:
size = FactionsPlugin.getInstance().getConfig().getInt("fupgrades.MainMenu.Chest.Chest-Size.level-1") * 9;
break;
case 2:
size = FactionsPlugin.getInstance().getConfig().getInt("fupgrades.MainMenu.Chest.Chest-Size.level-2") * 9;
break;
case 3:
size = FactionsPlugin.getInstance().getConfig().getInt("fupgrades.MainMenu.Chest.Chest-Size.level-3") * 9;
break;
}
return size * 9;
}
``` U cane store `FactionsPlugin.getInstance().getConfig()` into a variablemost of the code is getters and setters
hot hull
342 😂
heady birch
Ok yeah DI container 🙂
tiny flower
342 😂
@hot hull lel
hot hull
I mean it's all static so :kek:
heady birch
It aint really a singleton
hot hull
Like 10 classes tops use actual DI, the rest just access everything statically
Probs gave up with DI and went with static
tiny flower
It aint really a singleton
@heady birch ??
heady birch
its just a static getter really
tiny flower
@hot hull how much does the project mb?
heady birch
Probs gave up with DI and went with static
Me sometimes
tiny flower
its just a static getter really
@heady birch with an instance right?
hot hull
Without shading it's 1.2mb, with shading it's 9mb, since it's a chonk
heady birch
What dependencies does it use
tiny flower
so big O.o
hot hull
I mean I kinda feel him since with larger projects DI doesn't really help all that much
tiny flower
how i get developer tag in helpchat?
heady birch
tiny flower
all my projects are private :/
hot hull
Disgusting
steel heart
Frosty you 4head
tiny flower
i will not put public of course xd
heady birch
Frosty are you making a factions plugin
steel heart
Frosty if you have a big project, you should probably use guice
topaz bay
guice is evil
steel heart
What isn’t ?
hot hull
I'm cleaning it up Niall
steel heart
All those cmds though
heady birch
Guice is stupid
steel heart
Not really
topaz bay
Its not stupid, it serves its purpose well
heady birch
It's alright unless you got a 5mb upload limit
topaz bay
But its evil
heady birch
PicoContainer
hot hull
I mean when the code isn't performing as well as it should be, it's a sign
hot hull
Yes Niall
heady birch
😕
steel heart
Frosty is the source open?
steel heart
I mean your faction plugin?
topaz bay
I'd sooner die
steel heart
Sounds fun
hot hull
The things I've changed aren't, no
steel heart
Oh you forked it
hot hull
yessir
topaz bay
Hmmmmm
Something seems wrong here
Maybe I'm tired and going crazy, but one would expect those to be the same fucking things
old wyvern
@old wyvern Hey u already help me a lot but a question, is possible for the spacing between points always equals? http://prntscr.com/tbloe3
In this case, instead of saying how many points I want, he would get the points he thinks is necessary
@tiny flower
Sorry was a bit busy with my pre course registration stuff.
Since we have n control points, the integral to calculate the exact arclength to get that would be impossible or very hard at least to the point where it wouldn't be useful, the workaround would be to approximate the arclength corresponding to our input t.
Basically we "cheat" integration and switch the integral for a sigma and our derivatives for relatively small changes thus just having us do a sum of the small changes instead
I revised the gist, should be fine for the most part now, The result is ofc not perfect but its fairly smooth
https://gist.github.com/Vshnv/691ce20fd16c082f6f7b2b35e9739eef
https://gist.github.com/Sxtanna/5c0ed9de175a7b417198e493dd6db5c1
@topaz bay
Ayy Nice!!
What project was the bubble thign for?
topaz bay
It was just a part of a testing module in my industry plugin
I was doing stuff and then I got bored, so I decided to figure that out
old wyvern
I see
jovial warren
oh hey someone I'll get an honest opinion from
two classes from my simple framework I've started working on
hot hull
feels bad
[10:59:56 WARN]: SLF4J: Failed to load class "org.slf4j.impl.StaticLoggerBinder".
[10:59:56 WARN]: SLF4J: Defaulting to no-operation (NOP) logger implementation
[10:59:56 WARN]: SLF4J: See http://www.slf4j.org/codes.html#StaticLoggerBinder for further details.
[10:59:56 WARN]: SLF4J: Failed to load class "org.slf4j.impl.StaticMDCBinder".
[10:59:56 WARN]: SLF4J: Defaulting to no-operation MDCAdapter implementation.
[10:59:56 WARN]: SLF4J: See http://www.slf4j.org/codes.html#no_static_mdc_binder for further details.
quiet depot
imagine not using an slf4j impl
jovial warren
logback-classic
heady birch
The things I've changed aren't, no
@hot hull Legal time
Show me the source
Oops correction, under the GPLv3 license you are legally required to show me the source
Ok I want a lawyer 😐
jovial warren
ya gotta show the source if it's GPL Frosty
hot hull
I couldn't care less honestly, so 🖕
old wyvern
Damn
normal talon
can anyone help me in #general-plugins
jovial warren
lol
topaz bay
hater.
old wyvern
@topaz bay what plugin do you use for the syntax coloring?
old wyvern
Ah I see
old wyvern
wait what
topaz bay
(its basic in file sub matching, no intellisense involved)
old wyvern
oh
topaz bay
still kinda fire
old wyvern
😂
regal gale
I really do wish if IntelliJ has a keyboard shortcut to import all at once
Eclipse has it
regal gale
The class import
topaz bay
Just turn on optimize imports on the fly
If it can import something without a doubt, it will
old wyvern
It already imports everything when you auto complete a function name or something too
distant sun
Why sometimes when I add a dependenci it doesnt recognize the class at first, but only after I type it name and press import?
old wyvern
wdym?
distant sun
I type the class name and it's not suggested on that thing
old wyvern
uh might be coz it was still indexing
distant sun
Idk tbh
heady birch
Not hot
Your idea of hot is kind of meh
My idea is factories builders and constants 😍
topaz bay
Your idea of hot is trying to make everything look like spring
topaz bay
Which is terrible
heady birch
You just jealous
distant sun
E enum?
topaz bay
yes
heady birch
nope
old wyvern
@topaz bay Should kotlin files with multiple classes be named with a lower case?
topaz bay
technically, they tell you to name those classes what they do
I use lowercase because it makes more sense to my brain
old wyvern
ah ok
heady birch
You ever type in a random number and get some medical disease thing
old wyvern
no?
distant sun
You ok niall?
heady birch
ncbi dont like me
distant sun
Ncbi?
prisma wave
https://img.bristermitten.me/idea64_PpQdOABtF4.png @topaz bay weak
topaz bay
ugly
topaz bay
What is __upon?
prisma wave
a massive hack
prisma wave
it stores the object that a function is being called upon
heady birch
Type ina random 6 digit number gOOGLE
prisma wave
so in this case __upon is type
prisma wave
because it's not this
heady birch
distant sun
__upon is better than this?
heady birch
I prefer "Me"
distant sun
In what world lol
heady birch
Like in VB
distant sun
:)))
topaz bay
Thats only because you defined the function as a property in kotlin
heady birch
Me.age
topaz bay
When the analog would be a function inside of the test class
prisma wave
true
heady birch
Me.age
prisma wave
but since there is no default value, it's implied as something you would pass
ah fine i'll use this
looks nicer anyway
onyx loom
Like in VB
@heady birch 😠
distant sun
Dont be rude with sergent ball
heady birch
For some reason my system picks up the local air ambulance as police
then flicks to helimed when they send their identity
distant sun
Seems fine for me
heady birch
specialist aviation services
hot hull
Niall, can I say it?
topaz bay
for now
heady birch
No you cannot
prisma wave
imagine not having this
heady birch
Lol the systems correct
topaz bay
I am genuinely happy with the progress I've made on Odin
It is now the most complete language I've ever designed and written
prisma wave
Odin is still trash though
topaz bay
If Odin is trash Frigga is shit
prisma wave
That logic seems flawed
distant sun
I want a clean fight ladies
prisma wave
Well let's face the facts here
old wyvern
Yup
prisma wave
Odin has a few keywords
old wyvern
Djinn is the new og
prisma wave
Frigga has this
distant sun
Dying
old wyvern
Also
topaz bay
Lets face a couple of more facts
old wyvern
Guess who I found
prisma wave
@old wyvern I propose an alliance against Odin
distant sun
Frigga has
this
@prisma wave you mean __upon
topaz bay
Odin was written entirely by hand, with no reference, and 0 help
hot hull
BM, since you stopped learning Slovenian, I'm sorry but Odin is better
topaz bay
Frigga uses a generated lexer and parser, uses components "inspired" by odin, and is TRASH
prisma wave
so
hot hull
You stopped posting updates atleast
topaz bay
I think I win by default
old wyvern
Djinn doesnt, but on the other hand its only a lexer rn
hot hull
Hence my assumption that you've stopped
prisma wave
If I wrote the lexer and parser myself would it be better?
heady birch
untouched odin
prisma wave
^
topaz bay
Yes....
topaz bay
The lexer and parser is like 90% of the work
They are a combined 2.5k+ lines of code in Odin
prisma wave
@hot hull tbh I did lose my streak but I will still be able to introduce myself in like 20 days
hot hull
You better be
old wyvern
Its fun
hot hull
Cause you can
prisma wave
Instead of using an INDUSTRY STANDARD for language parsing
hot hull
It's not like he has anything better to do kek
topaz bay
Its not reinventing the wheel
old wyvern
I think its more about learning how to do something
Than making something else do the work
topaz bay
I mean... I already knew how to do it
Its much more sane for me to write the lexer and parser by hand
prisma wave
I could do it, it's just effort for very little reward
topaz bay
To know how every single part works
I mean... if its effort, you cannot possibly claim that frigga is better
She has no SOUL
onyx loom
🥊
topaz bay
She is but a repurposed machine
onyx loom
fight
old wyvern
I mean... I already knew how to do it You havent implemented an actual parsing algorithm right?
prisma wave
That's rude
topaz bay
BUT TRUE
prisma wave
I have put a tremendous amount of effort into the runtime
old wyvern
True what?
prisma wave
I just cba to do parsing
topaz bay
@old wyvern It probably would be able to be defined by certain algorithms
old wyvern
There is still more to learn
topaz bay
I just dont know what it would be
old wyvern
Always is
old wyvern
Lol
topaz bay
After googling, it seems the term that fits closest is a "pratt parser"
Yeah, this looks about right
jovial warren
lol
why you guys in competition over who's language is best
personally I believe that working together is always the way forward
steel heart
@quiet depot isn’t this useless? https://github.com/PiggyPiglet/Framework/blob/master/core/src/main/java/me/piggypiglet/framework/utils/ReflectionUtils.java
It’s a really nice fw though
jovial warren
what's it better than?
jovial warren
Kotlin is still 👑
old wyvern
jovial warren
haha lol
old wyvern
😂
jovial warren
I don't need counselling, I already get Psychotherapy
jovial warren
Kotlin still 👑
prisma wave
Nope
jovial warren
lemme take a look at this syntax then
prisma wave
Syntax ain't everything
prisma wave
True
topaz bay
It's better than Frigga
jovial warren
still agree that Kotlin is 👑 ?
steel heart
Scratch is better
jovial warren
https://github.com/SoftwarePantheon/Frigga/commits/master this is funny lol
obtuse gale
vest language is Minecraft Code Builder
jovial warren
git config --global user.name "Your Name"
git config --global user.email "Your e-mail address"
assert not null smh
topaz bay
You DARE to blaspheme
onyx loom
!!!!!!!!!!
jovial warren
Professor Sxtanna over here with his big words
you realise "blaspheme" means "speak irrelevantly about God or sacred things"
topaz bay
I am well aware of the definition of blasphemy
jovial warren
!! is never okay imo
prisma wave
https://github.com/SoftwarePantheon/Frigga/commits/master this is funny lol
Blame windows for that
topaz bay
hot hull
No
prisma wave
I got sick of having to restart every time for dual booting
Giving windows another try
jovial warren
Linux > Windows any day
prisma wave
@topaz bay it will always be present, I just couldn't be bothered for a full blown null check
jovial warren
and Linux > Windows is very much subjectively because I much prefer free and open-source over proprietary
errant geyser
I love watching you guys do this
prisma wave
Imo !! Is fine if you can guarantee it will never actually happen
That's kinda the point of it
errant geyser
I'm like 🤔 yes, I definitely know what you're on about
jovial warren
!! was put there for lazy, sloppy coding, to just be able to put that and be done with it
and accept the consequences of an NPE being thrown if it's null
topaz bay
No, its not fine
If you want to assert non null, do it properly and with context
use requireNotNull or checkNotNull
oh fuck
I just realized I forgot to update the type
prisma wave
and accept the consequences of an NPE being thrown if it's null
Afaik the intention of !! Was to manually cast to a notnull type when the compiler can't smart cast
jovial warren
requireNotNull is just as bad imo as it's still not handling your nullability, it's just improving readability a bit
jovial warren
then why's it an Optional?
topaz bay
@jovial warren it is 100% handling nullability
The issue here is that !! does nothing but throw an NPE
prisma wave
then why's it an
Optional?
@jovial warren ?
topaz bay
Using require or check gives context to the null assertion
prisma wave
wdym
jovial warren
it wouldn't be nullable if it was definitely not going to be null
hot hull
Imagine knowing what the fuck these three nerds are on about
jovial warren
three nerds? I'm just the idiot stuck in the middle lol
prisma wave
findProperty is a glorified Map.get call
But the contract of the function is that those properties will always be present
jovial warren
so isn't there some sort of not null call then like there is with getValue()?
prisma wave
I prefer nullable types to exceptions, gives you more possibilities to handle it
jovial warren
well then why ain't you handling it
prisma wave
because it will always be present
hot hull
always will it tho
prisma wave
yes
jovial warren
it wouldn't be nullable if it's 100% always present though because that makes no sense
prisma wave
as I said
The contract of the function is that those properties will always be present
They are integral to the actual functionality
jovial warren
how do you know that in every context of that program running those two values will always be present?
topaz bay
val map = String[Int]
map["A"] = 0
val value = map["A"]
Because I know the code that I've written
topaz bay
You know
As you read that
value will never be null
You can see that
because its right there
prisma wave
The compiler doesn't know
jovial warren
but in a map you'd use getValue() which throws a NoSuchElementException if it's null
topaz bay
You would not use getValue
prisma wave
I prefer nullable types to exceptions, gives you more possibilities to handle it
jovial warren
asserting not null and throwing an NPE if null leads to arbitrary stack traces
prisma wave
what?
topaz bay
micro brain in action here boys
jovial warren
lol
prisma wave
what does that even mean lol
topaz bay
I'm not advocating for the not null assertion operator, but you are just wrong here
jovial warren
yeah I can kinda see that now
topaz bay
the context is a completely decoupled structure
jovial warren
as usual I'm talking out of my ass again
topaz bay
There is no way that the program or the developer can strictly assert that the value couldnt be null
jovial warren
true
prisma wave
Intéressant
topaz bay
when it goes to call a function thats defined in a class, it uses the instance as the context
instead of the global program context
jovial warren
topaz bay
Reusing the logic of the global scope to making internal trait/class route command able to lookup properties and functions
heady birch
👍
prisma wave
That's probably more elegant than how I've done it lol
topaz bay
jovial warren
it's sx BM
topaz bay
overriding the lookup logic to search both this context, and the context of the super types
Its kinda beautiful
jovial warren
elegance is like his middle name
heady birch
context
topaz bay
Made it a lot easier to just shove class instances into the current command design
signal tinsel
Anyone know some good free-to-use remote desktop software?
obtuse gale
vnc server/viewer
heady birch
quiet depot
@quiet depot isn’t this useless? https://github.com/PiggyPiglet/Framework/blob/master/core/src/main/java/me/piggypiglet/framework/utils/ReflectionUtils.java
@steel heart look at dev branch for up 2 date stuff. and no, it's not useless. this:
field.setAccessible(true);
final Shitter shitter = field.get(shit);```
==
final Shitter shitter = ReflectionUtils.getAccessible(shit.getClass().getDeclaredField("shitter")).get(shit);```
obtuse gale
shit
steel heart
I mean you could eventually do something like (Field field = Some.class.getDeclaredField(“field”)).setAccessible(true); or am I wrong?
quiet depot
you're wrong
steel heart
Wait let me check my class
old wyvern
I mean you could eventually do something like (Field field = Some.class.getDeclaredField(“field”)).setAccessible(true); or am I wrong?
setAccessible would return void so you would be unable to get the actual object
quiet depot
I mean if one liners is all we're after, that class is technically useless, as I have my generic builder as an alternative
old wyvern
link?
heady birch
shitterField?
quiet depot
GenericBuilder.of(() -> shit.getClass().getDeclaredField("shitter"))
.with(field -> field.setAccessible(true))
.build();```I find GenericBuilders useful but isn’t that a waste of consumers ?
old wyvern
Isnt that the same as just having
final Field shitterField = shit.getClass().getDeclaredField("shitter");
field.setAccessible(true);
final Shitter shitter = field.get(shit);```
Except with unneccessary lambdas?val field = getDeclaredField("field").apply { isAccessible = true }
``` 😔tbh, now that you've got me thinking about it, I'm not a fan of the generic builder anyway
quiet depot
I implemented it because builders in general are nicer to use, but it's kinda a code smell
heady birch
That actually looks pretty nice Sxtanna
quiet depot
slow
topaz bay
Less than a millisecond is pretty fast to me xD
steel heart
Piggy I like generic builders but it feels kinda overkill sometimes though
steel heart
Also yeah that getAccessible is probably not useless my bad but I used to do something like ```java
final Field field;
{
(field = Some.class.getDeclaredField(“a”)).setAccessible(True);
}```
old wyvern
There is literally no reason to write it like that ^
steel heart
Why not
old wyvern
why?
topaz bay
anonymous block bodies are bad design
steel heart
I mean I’d do that instead of later having to invoke #setAccessible(true)
old wyvern
doing that later would be more concise
There is no reason to crunch those 2 lines together
topaz bay
I dont see how not delaying the call is mutually exclusive to using a block body
I think I just did a bad language thing
steel heart
Yugi well that would be instead of having a helper class
old wyvern
But still there is seriously just no point in doing that
what are you even trying to save there
steel heart
1 line :0
old wyvern
What does that one line provide you except less readability?
old wyvern
Why would you think compactness is desirable?
jovial warren
I've ran in to what looks like an unsolvable problem
jovial warren
lemme try and explain: basically, I want to run code for a few different cases, here they are:
- There are no channels in the guild
- The user is not in a channel and neither is the bot
- The user is not in the same channel as the bot, or the user is not in a channel but the bot is
- The bot is in the same channel as the user
#4 is fine because it's just checking if the user's channel is not null and then connecting the bot to the same channel as the user
#2 and #3 is where I get issues, as the way I get the channel to connect the bot to is by getting the channel the user is in, and I can't find a way to get it otherwise, meaning I cannot check if the bot is in a channel if the user isn't in one
and since I'm using Spring there's no possible way I can think to give ConnectionService the guild, since I can't create a bean of a guild because JDA handles guild instances
topaz bay
You're overthinking
jovial warren
wdym?
topaz bay
I can just tell
jovial warren
what do you think I'm overthinking?
topaz bay
every part of this
jovial warren
well what do I do about it?
topaz bay
Think about what needs to happen
Break that logic a part
And solve it part by part
Do not try and force fancy syntax or make it overly concise
Solve the problem.
ocean quartz
@hot hull Copy your code, delete your fork, fork again, paste the code back in, PR and I'll merge it/
hot hull
How about you just copy those 3 methods I changed and put em directly into your repo ;C
ocean quartz
I've been quiet here recently
topaz bay
You've missed big progress dude
ocean quartz
Then you won't be contributor :c
ocean quartz
Oh? Let me look at the chat history
old wyvern
lies
hot hull
I mean you can just manually write down that I contributed
ocean quartz
Yeah but you won't show there on Github
hot hull
Meh no worries
topaz bay
That, and Odin now has fully functional traits and classes
Which means I can start on a standard library
jovial warren
anyone know a good way of globally caching values that can be retrieved or updated from literally anywhere in the project?
wait this is why I fucking depended on Spring redis configuration
ocean quartz
Maybe caffeine?
I mean you can access any cache from anywhere, just inject it
Also, Sx, when is it going to be ready to use? 👀
jovial warren
true Matt
@heady birch you ever used Spring Data Redis before?
you're probably the most likely to know how it works lol
heady birch
I have not im afraid
topaz bay
@ocean quartz I mean... After this next push it should be fine
I might add support for using it with the Java script engine api
That could be fun
heady birch
does odin have annotations
topaz bay
Absolutely fucking not
ocean quartz
Nice!
I wanna try it
And haha, you touched on one of his most hated features xD
heady birch
I know thats why i said it
topaz bay
I am truly insulted by such a scenario
heady birch
who is your programming idol
hot hull
Me, myself, & I, (probs why my code so shit :kek:)
ocean quartz
Is there such a thing as a programming idol?
topaz bay
I have a question for you nerds
heady birch
yes
topaz bay
Do you think when it comes to numbers and math, should be the values be coerced to the highest operand type
Or should they strictly acquire the type of the right operand
topaz bay
I hate you.
heady birch
none of this byte to int stuff
none of this internal casting
just do the stuff on the data type
topaz bay
huh?
heady birch
byte a = 0;
byte b = 1;
byte c = a << b;
none of this
byte c = (int)a << (int)b
topaz bay
Yeah no, thats not what I mean
old wyvern
highest precedence
heady birch
ok
topaz bay
How do I define precedence though
old wyvern
as in?
Do you mean how you would want to order it or any issues with structuring to that?
topaz bay
like for example
val a: Float = 1.0
val b: Double = 2.0
val c = b + a
Should c be double now, because its the larger type
or should it be float, since its the right side
topaz bay
Now apply the same thing to the whole numbers
topaz bay
For context, all numeric values are coerced to doubles before any operation is applied
old wyvern
Since you already hold it as a double maybe convert it to the smallest type that can hold it in its specific type
topaz bay
It just doesnt have coercing between whole and decimal numbers when passing to functions
ocean quartz
I think unless specified it should coerce
Like unless you do val c: Float = b + a
old wyvern
lol
heady birch
i need 24 bit
heady birch
Lol
topaz bay
Its used for booleans
old wyvern
yup
ocean quartz
That's fair xD
heady birch
add some cool data types
topaz bay
odin has no nullability
old wyvern
odin has no nullability
@topaz bay
That might end up being quite a constraint in some cases
topaz bay
I have no issue with that
Absence of data in odin is represented by kotlin's Unit
which has its type asserted as "All"
old wyvern
so like Any or Object ?
topaz bay
sure
old wyvern
That feels wrong
topaz bay
Well you technically cant come across it using purely odin code
The only one to achieve a value of Unit in odin is through the result of a call to jvm code
ocean quartz
Is Nil like, empty?
old wyvern
What is the fuck is this?!!!!!
topaz bay
Yes
ocean quartz
Nice i like that
topaz bay
It only exists on properties before they are initialized
heady birch
wonder if you could do some cool thing
extension functions on the data types
yeah
can you do static extension functions?
old wyvern
Holy fuck
old wyvern
The people who set the answers should die
The issue was that the last line shouldnt end with the \n with println adds but all other lines should
prisma wave
I mean, you could use a StringJoiner instead of a for loop, no?
not entirely a fair comparison but kotlin still better
topaz bay
That is idiomatic java string creation code
vs idiomatic kotlin string creation code
They could also just concatenate the raw values instead of using a builder
old wyvern
String.format("%s.%s(%s)", obj, method, String.join(",", args))
(it would compile to a builder anyway, but still)
distant sun
@old wyvern sx noob
old wyvern
😂
topaz bay
Even using format syntax (which is very slow btw) in kotlin would look better
"%s.%s(%s)".format(caller, method, params.joinToString(", "))
lol
distant sun
is strong format good for anything at all?
old wyvern
StringBuilder builder = new StringBuilder();
builder.append(obj)
.append('.')
.append(method)
.append('(')
.append(String.join(",", args))
.append(')')
Question
is there any way possible to execute code in between when the server shuts down and when it turns back on?
prisma wave
You could start another process possibly
obtuse gale
I feel like ill run into issues if I try and replace the server jar while its in use
prisma wave
You absolutely will
obtuse gale
Whats the best thing I could do rn?
prisma wave
Oh no
@obtuse gale experiment with starting new processes onDisable
Might work, might not
obtuse gale
alright
I still need to find a way to get the server .jar file name
couldnt I like
make my plugin onDisable run another jar (thats not a plugin) and that jar does the ol switcheroo with the server jars
or is that overcompilcating it
prisma wave
In theory you could get the CodeSource of a spigot class to get the spigot jar
I'm not sure how well that would work
But theoretically it might be possible
onyx loom
anythings possible
obtuse gale
val process = Runtime.getRuntime().exec("java -jar FuckYou.jar") couldnt I do something like that?