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#dev-general
topaz bay
remote goblet
i'm sorry @prisma wave
topaz bay
remote goblet
i don't feel like dying today
topaz bay
Sweetie...
prisma wave
Oh she is more than just that
pale shell
No
topaz bay
These are people from mythology...
pale shell
No
remote goblet
Yes
prisma wave
(tbf marvel kinda popularised them)
pale shell
Marvel is mythology
topaz bay
WHAT
prisma wave
@remote goblet one more peep out of you and you will find yourself in lots of trouble
topaz bay
Marvel did NOT popularize them
pale shell
They did
prisma wave
they did to the mainstream audience
topaz bay
Marvel gave them memorable faces
prisma wave
same thing
remote goblet
wonk
prisma wave
Odin is wonk
prisma wave
I know lol
remote goblet
am
prisma wave
but she lives on in our memories
remote goblet
offended
pale shell
Offended...?
remote goblet
@topaz bay I dis frigga for you and that's how you respond
prisma wave
@remote goblet you have lost offended privileges for your disrespect earlier
remote goblet
real fag move that
topaz bay
LMFAO
pale shell
Atleast nobody has spoilt end game for me yet
remote goblet
pale shell
Fuck you too ori
topaz bay
See, this is why you cant trust gay people
pale shell
Delete that sx
prisma wave
what has this conversation degenerated into
we were being all clever and intellectual and now this
remote goblet
the only clever person here is the skript developer that is lurking around somewhere
topaz bay
@prisma wave BARELY
prisma wave
@topaz bay BACK FOR MORE ARE YOU?
pale shell
Plankalkül is the best language prove me wrong
prisma wave
Does Odin even have functions?
Doubt it
that's too much of an advanced concept for a BAD language
pale shell
Can you stop referencing my username Alex
topaz bay
fun add(num0, num1: Int): Int {
=> num0 + num1
}
push add(20, 32)
I'll charge you next time (:
topaz bay
Is frigga strictly typed?
pale shell
That's kotlin sx
pale shell
You two are just making kotlin with a different name :|
prisma wave
frigga is very different to kotlin
pale shell
all the same thing
prisma wave
I wouldn't say Odin is too but I don't care enough to find out
pale shell
All languages are the same
prisma wave
What was my idea?
prisma wave
yeah I was looking for proof and I couldn't find any
Scrolling up for ages isn't fun
lemme try again
@topaz bay JOKES ON YOU
I found it
topaz bay
That proves NOTHING
prisma wave
I see NO mention of Val and var
Proving that YOU are a fraud and therefore have a BAD language
As such I am the winner and there will be no further mention of inferior languages such as shitdin
topaz bay
WOW
prisma wave
I know
It can take a while for the concept of defeat to be processed by the brain
But don't worry you defended your BAD language very well
it was an honour to call Odin shit for like 20 minutes
oak raft
Do you guys recommend making a discord bot in python or java?
prisma wave
whichever you are more comfortable with is a big factor
for any large project I personally think Java is a lot better
but for a few commands python would probably be a good choice
oak raft
I see, thank you
prisma wave
No problem
remote goblet
JavaScript is also a very nice and simple language to use
prisma wave
Not sure if that's sarcasm but I actually agree with you
people hate on scripting languages for whatever reason but for small projects that need to get something done they are perfect
the startups that insist on full stack JavaScript are questionable though
I'd even say that skript is acceptable for small commands without the sheer boilerplate of making a standalone plugin
remote goblet
it wasn't sarcasm, It's a fairly simple language to create a discord bot in and most tutorials are in Discord.js, JavaScript is a very fluid language and easy to understand.
There's no best language for discord bots, it's just based on preference and which language you find easier to code in
okay im done providing valuable input
prisma wave
thank you for your valuable input
I'm done too but yes JavaScript good python good Java good kotlin good Odin shit frigga good skript good when used in the right situation
thank you for coming to my ted talk and goodnight
ocean quartz
Been doing so much on the commands stuff in Java, now testing it on a bot in Kotlin and boy I missed it
cedar jolt
Anyone able to help me with XenForo
i'm tryna make it so my url goes to a custom page instead of url/index.php?forums/
remote goblet
lorge
hot hull
It's 5 am, 
remote goblet
it's kinda cool
topaz bay
You're kinda cool
remote goblet
thank you
topaz bay
Ew... I take that back
topaz bay
Nope
remote goblet
there's proof
topaz bay
Its been taken back
remote goblet
you can't deleted it now
remote goblet
I'm gonna go view a new house at 12pm
and it's 4am
:)
i might change my pfp for the first time
in months
i've had it for 6 months
cedar jolt
@remote goblet how can you afford a house
remote goblet
Thonk
hot hull
Ori is actually a 40 year old man, and we've been lied to all this time
remote goblet
I run a secret drug cartel
remote goblet
Im 15
cedar jolt
Lmao wyd looking at buying a house at 15
topaz bay
pepega brain
ocean quartz
Just talk
ocean quartz
Barry does it
cedar jolt
Oh custom made rip
cedar jolt
Idk how to code
topaz bay
o
cedar jolt
And I got no $
topaz bay
Use a GCP free tier compute instance
topaz bay
ABSOLUTELY not
remote goblet
But I am
remote goblet
Must suck
old wyvern
Also I have no $ to buy a host to run a botHeroku
frail glade
Why not home host a bot?
remote goblet
Why you in the dev channel if you can’t code, Quick thought
topaz bay
oh yeah.. that would probably be easier than GCP
remote goblet
We all code skript here
topaz bay
not me girl
topaz bay
I will slice you
remote goblet
Bet
old wyvern
whats gcp?
cedar jolt
Heroku didn't work last time
cedar jolt
Cloud platform isn't free is it
old wyvern
free tier compute instancereally? o.o
topaz bay
ooo I bet AWS has a free tier too
old wyvern
nah
topaz bay
Yes... ?
old wyvern
nice
topaz bay
I host two bots on one of them
cedar jolt
Imagine being light blue coloured uwu
frail glade
You get $300 free
frail glade
I thought you hosted that on GitHub
frail glade
Does the free tier do databases?
old wyvern
is it a static webpage?
topaz bay
Its a vps
topaz bay
No
frail glade
Free VPS 
old wyvern
o.o
topaz bay
the big icons are static, but the cards are pulled from my github
Theyre my stickied repos
remote goblet
Lowkey pog
topaz bay
And the graph is generated too
topaz bay
@frail glade with GCP, I push to the repo, it pulls, builds, and publishes
And it keeps a record of the versions of my site
old wyvern
checking out GCP rn, seems awesome!
frail glade
Ahh nice
topaz bay
Oh wow
I didn't realize until now, the static assets get cached by google's front end servers too
So the static parts arent counting against my app's quotas
Making it even freeer
lol
old wyvern
welp I wish they let us use Google Pay IDs or something
I dont have a credit card atm
hot hull
Do you tho
hollow spade
yikes
hot hull
The company
hot hull
Not the right channel
pliant eagle
what is the correct channel for this?
obtuse gale
hashtag general plugins
pliant eagle
ok thanks
distant sun
If I have to do a Topological Sorting in C, using matrix for both count as two different algorithms? The teacher asked to use two algorithms but all we find on internet uses matrix and wanted to make sure. His suggestions were Kahn, DFS, Kosaraju & Tarjan
obtuse gale
I dont understand what 50% of the words you just said mean
heady birch
indian
distant sun
did I said something wrong or?
hot hull
What
distant sun
smh
heady birch
What are you even meant to name a Main class in a standard Java application
I usually go with Launcher suffix or Application
obtuse gale
Is it just me or Github response is just too long?
runic flume
hallow crane
Atlas is free @runic flume
I've been using it for all my web-apps for a few months. Free forever I believe.
signal tinsel
Finally gonna start using git a bit more
signal tinsel
https://i.imgur.com/CNiJ4aL.png sick commit messages
prisma wave
Very descriptive
hot hull
I'll show you my commit messages later @signal tinsel
signal tinsel
lol
signal tinsel
I have a private github repo, is there any way to make its wiki public?
ocean quartz
@prisma wave @topaz bay Re-pining, sorry
This is directly from Valve's code, it's wonderful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k238XpMMn38
ocean quartz
I think it's from all their games
signal tinsel
@frail glade I have gh pro
I want the wiki to be publicly available but the code to be private
lunar cypress
why do you want the code to be private
signal tinsel
Because its private code
versed ridge
but then everyone would see my bad code xd
hot hull
Just shows how much you've improved your code as time goes on
lunar cypress
Because its private code
There is nothing inherently private about code
hence why I was asking
ocean quartz
You opensource it, people think your code is bad, they PR to make it better, profit
prisma wave
"^".repeat(Int.MAX_VALUE)
hot hull
Well OS everything except commissions
topaz bay
@prisma wave wanna play OW?
topaz bay
shut up hoe
prisma wave
I think that's enough language design for one day
but just quickly
canDrink = age::Int -> Bool {
if(
[age >= 18], yield[true],
[age < 18], yield[false],
[else], throw[Error("How did we get here?")]
)
}
``` what do you think of this as a concept?Same
prisma wave
but my plan is for if to be a function that takes a Bool and a () -> T and then does some fancy native stuff rather than if and else being keywords
just trying to think how it would look
ocean quartz
That sounds like a cool idea, though seems complicated to implement
prisma wave
canDrink = age::Int -> Bool {
if(age >= 18, yield[true])
else(yield[false])
}``` it could be reduced to something like this for exampleYeah I mean there will definitely need to be some native conditional processing somewhere down the line
but I'm trying to have as few keywords as possible
topaz bay
Why so many symbols
hot hull
How bout you get rid of else
ocean quartz
I mean else is needed
hot hull
Just yeet
prisma wave
WOW
ocean quartz
Haha
hot hull
Lmao
topaz bay
Making sense and being over complicated are not mutually exclusive
prisma wave
canDrink = age::Int -> Bool {
yield(age >= 18)
}
``` is that better?that's fairly similar to kotlin
val canDrink: (Int) -> Boolean = { age ->
return age >= 18
}``` in fact kotlin's is worseyeah as I said there's gonna need to be some lower level stuff at some point down the line
lunar cypress
or I guess if your language really goes crazy with the laziness you can do it but how would you implement it lol
prisma wave
but I like the idea of having very few if any keywords
lunar cypress
yeah that is good
although having a lot of symbols instead isn't really better imo
sx has a point
it's syntax in both cases
prisma wave
it's not direct laziness, it's a bit more simple - function[param] just makes another function { yield(function(param)) }
I genuinely don't think there are that many symbols in comparison to any other language
the only real defining feature is the square bracket "invocation"
topaz bay
all I want is the ow update
prisma wave
😭
lunar cypress
so the [] syntax is still basically for creating curried functions
prisma wave
yes essentially
printHello = print["Hello"]
is the same as
printHello = {
print("Hello")
}```What about this instead printHello =-> print("hello")
prisma wave
the random arrow feels kinda strange
ocean quartz
True
prisma wave
I guess it could be printHello = () -> print("Hello") like java but that seems more confusing imo
But i've also got the idea of allowing cool stuff like printIntAdd1 = print[value::Int + 1]
where you declare the function parameters inside the "body"
prisma wave
@quiet sierra I'd heavily recommend changing the observable collections to be implementation independent (if you haven't already). Eg ObservableSet instead of ObservableHashSet. That way they could support other data structures (eg TreeSet) without needing loads of different implementations
looks good though!
prisma wave
could do
or you could make ObservableSet the parent class with various subclasses + a constructor
pale shell
Bad software @topaz bay
pale shell
@prisma wave i thought you already used Windows to code in...?
hallow crane
Heard about windows dev stuff. I opted to switch to linux instead.
cedar jolt
Anyone know how to make clickable text which will copy set text into your clipboard
i want to make it so when you click this, it copies the IP into your clipboard
old wyvern
TextComponent msg = new TextComponent( "Click Here To Copy" );
msg.setClickEvent( new ClickEvent( ClickEvent.Action.COPY_TO_CLIPBOARD, "Text you want to copy" ) );
player.spigot().sendMessage(msg);
@cedar jolt
old wyvern
oh xD
old wyvern
No, there is document.execCommand('copy');
cedar jolt
the code, on the element i want
old wyvern
Sure I guess
quaint remnant
Can somebody help me make a player get bounced really high up to a direction when they walk on a block also force a player to run a command?
Also something that checks when a block is broken and then replaces a block in that area?
xd
I would really appreciate it.
obtuse gale
Should I do a one week eclipse challenge 🤔
Im gonna do it lol.... idk if i can go the whole week tho
hot hull
Please no.
obtuse gale
pallid gale
make sure its bright white
obtuse gale
wtf is maple lol
quaint remnant
@EventHandler
public void onPlayerMove(PlayerMoveEvent event) {
if(event.getTo().getBlock().getRelative(BlockFace.DOWN).getType() == Material.SLIME_BLOCK) {
//still doing this part lol
}
}
How can I check that this isnt some random slime block like how can I check if the location thus slime block is placed at is listed true in another variable?
Lol
Like the slime block is at a specific location
obtuse gale
get the blocks location lol?
obtuse gale
yea
quaint remnant
ye
obtuse gale
what are you tryna do lol?
quaint remnant
Make it so that when the player steps on a few dedicated blocks it bounces them really far up and then a few seconds later makes them warp somewhere
Like hypixel skyblock
obtuse gale
how tf do i import a kotlin projkect in eclipse lol I downloaded the plugin and imported my gradle project but now eclipse wont open the .kt file
aha
got it
No way im using white theme tho, this is legit hurting my eyes
OH GOD
its so hard to read
hot hull
What the
cedar jolt
Anyone know how to change which page my domain goes to on xenforo
like rn it goes to forums, i want to change it to go to my homepage
without the /home at end
cyan wagon
does anyone know where to find the api docs for AutoSell?
hot hull
?autosellapi
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cedar jolt
Anyone able to help me with xenforo route filters
prisma wave
@remote goblet damn you @pale shell no, Linux for development. Windows would be a direct downgrade
obtuse gale
@hushed prairie
remote goblet
Blame admins not me
heady birch
🤨
signal tinsel
Nice, I've just started 2 rewrites for big projects lmao
All while having less time to code
prisma wave
this
heady birch
sweepRotation += radiansPerFrame any cool kotlin way to replace this +=
Could make my own extension
prisma wave
plusAssign might be infix
not sure though
i'd just leave it as it is though
you can't get much more readable than that
heady birch
I will make advantage of every kotlin feature in every way
old wyvern
whats the point of replacing += ? 💀
heady birch
Do you write kotlin? You wouldnt get it
old wyvern
how is += worse than writing .plus(...)
heady birch
We only need kotlin in this world
prisma wave
there's idiomatic use and then there's a gimmick
heady birch
There is never overdoing it with kotlin 🙂
I just love the features
extensions and infix
old wyvern
overrated
heady birch
even my swing programming is clean
CLEAN]
swing is never clean
except the constructors
prisma wave
extension functions are S tier, infix are like C tier at best
heady birch
what is tier
prisma wave
indeed
old wyvern
im not sure why S is used , not familiar. The numeric tier format is used in games ussually
prisma wave
it looks cool ¯_(ツ)_/¯
old wyvern
ah
heady birch
One of my kotlin classes is grayed out in the project view, what does that mean?
I just discovered crossinline
Wow
hot hull
😮
hot hull
Yea no description set so it defaults to that
heady birch
No
hot hull
"No" ?
quiet sierra
Plot twist: The video I sent in #showcase is all done in the same world, same server
That's what made it "hard"
hot hull
scam
quiet sierra
Rather do it this way than to spin on some servers and completely destroy the ram
hot hull
@ocean quartz What should I be using to check if there's a next page again? I forgot
ocean quartz
On latest version nextPage will return false if can't go
hot hull
k
topaz bay
@quiet sierra please tell me that is implemented with nothing but observable collections
hot hull
@topaz bay you got 5min?
hot hull
Mind writting a quick faq for SOLID
hot hull
effort
ocean quartz
It'd be kinda a lot to put on faq no?
Maybe put this:
S - Single-responsiblity principle
O - Open-closed principle
L - Liskov substitution principle
I - Interface segregation principle
D - Dependency Inversion Principle
Then link to https://scotch.io/bar-talk/s-o-l-i-d-the-first-five-principles-of-object-oriented-design ?
prisma wave
Single Responsibility Principle - A class should only have 1 responsibility in the program
Open Closed Principle - Classes should be open to extension but closed for modification
Liskov Substitution Principle - Program to the interface (eg List instead of ArrayList)
Interface Segregation Principle - Prefer smaller interfaces that do a single thing to big interfaces consisting of similar tasks.
Dependency Inversion Principle - Classes should have their dependencies provided via constructors, rather than defining them themselves. They should also depend on abstractions rather than concrete types
How's that?
grossly oversimplified but hey ho
lunar cypress
Liskov and Dependency Inversion are kind of different
and I would rephrase srp as well
prisma wave
As I said it's an oversimplification
I think it's quite hard to properly explain a lot of them in 1 sentence anyway
Most of them are better defined by example
lunar cypress
S - A class should have only one responsibility, that is, one reason to change
O - Classes should be open for extension but closed for modification
L - You should be able to replace any usage of a class with one of its subclasses without breaking the programme
I - Prefer multiple small interfaces over big ones that define everything
D - Depend on abstractions, rather than concretions
That's how I would phrase it
more or less
prisma wave
That's good
Although considering this is for beginners I would mention that Liskov usually involves using interfaces as most people wouldn't know what it really means otherwise
hot hull
?faq add solid What is SOLID
S - Single-responsiblity principle
O - Open-closed principle
L - Liskov substitution principle
I - Interface segregation principle
D - Dependency Inversion Principle
If you wish to read up more on it, you can check here:
https://scotch.io/bar-talk/s-o-l-i-d-the-first-five-principles-of-object-oriented-design
lunar cypress
Liskov is actually the easiest one to understand as it's very concrete imo
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prisma wave
smh I wrote a paragraph for nothing
lunar cypress
The fact that there is no . after the D is mildly infuriating to me
is that a standard thing
hot hull
Where?
lunar cypress
on the website
topaz bay
Yes, it is standard
prisma wave
. Is a separator usually
hot hull
colour is it aye
prisma wave
as a british person I have no idea either way
topaz bay
=paste
compact perchBOT
topaz bay
@prisma wave "real world" application
oh... I left out the delta in the wound tick
whoops
ocean quartz
You don't need the parenthesis in this right?
.forEach() {
}
When the brace is on the next line, you do
ocean quartz
Sooo, an advantage for k&r ;p
prisma wave
@topaz bay nested classes smh
topaz bay
Whats wrong with nested classes...
topaz bay
The classes are literally smaller than the on join function
prisma wave
don't care
topaz bay
but logic...
prisma wave
I have very draconic views on what should be in a single file
and these views say that nested classes bad sans a few exceptions
topaz bay
That... is dumb...
lunar cypress
I agree with bm, especially in kotlin where it's not an issue to have multiple top level class declarations in one file
prisma wave
thank you
topaz bay
Its not an issue in Java either... ?
prisma wave
There's no reason to have them be nested when all the small classes could be part of 1 single file
topaz bay
Theres 0 reason to have them be declared outside of where they are used
In reality, these would be private classes
They represent nothing but the data they hold
old wyvern
^
topaz bay
It would be like defining instance variables in the top level scope
lunar cypress
it is not idiomatic to do this in java
and it is an issue if you want multiple to be public
topaz bay
And its not pragmatic to do it in kotlin
lunar cypress
pragmatic?
topaz bay
Which they are not meant to be
Theyre not meant to be used anywhere outside of this class
Yes, pragmatic?
lunar cypress
I don't understand the meaning of this word in that context
topaz bay
pragmatic = doing something in a way that makes sense in practice rather than in theory
It makes sense to put these declarations inside the only place they will ever be used EVER
lunar cypress
and why doesn't it make sense in practice
old wyvern
Why would you event want to write multiple unrelated classes in the same file
Nested classes make more sense for small data holding classes
topaz bay
No, the point is that it DOES make sense in practice
lunar cypress
having files as a unit of grouping things is somewhat the point
@old wyvern who's talking about unrelated classes?
No, the point is that it DOES make sense in practice
you just said it's not pragmatic
topaz bay
Yes, its not pragmatic to put them outside of the class
It is pragmatic to put them inside the class
What are you missing?
lunar cypress
why?
topaz bay
It makes sense to put these declarations inside the only place they will ever be used EVER
If Im only ever going to be using a variable inside of a class, why would I define it in the top level scope?
lunar cypress
and if the only public thing in your file is this class it will also be true for the file
old wyvern
@Yugi who's talking about unrelated classes?Can you give me a use case of having these groups?
lunar cypress
It's just clustering the class
topaz bay
In reality, these would be private classes
prisma wave
Surely a health module would be used in other classes too
prisma wave
And as such it's a better idea to put it in another file
topaz bay
Its an ECS...
The component is managed by the system
And attached to the entity
Which are all declared in this class
lol
old wyvern
?```Yes, can you provide me an example?Well what if you had 200 different components. Would they all be in the same file?
topaz bay
OBVIOUSLY NOT ALEX
lunar cypress
prisma wave
Then where do you draw the line?
topaz bay
I draw the line at the fact that this was an example of constant fucking damage that would never actually be in use
prisma wave
Why is there a line? It would be far more natural to have them separate from the start
lunar cypress
why are we talking about this then in a more general sense
prisma wave
^^
lunar cypress
it's an interesting question
topaz bay
prisma wave
If this was only for an example why disagree in the first place?
topaz bay
I literally put real world in fucking quotes
And you guys are treating it like I published this for use by 5 million users
lunar cypress
I really am not
prisma wave
then why is it unreasonable to say that the classes should be in a different file
topaz bay
Because in this context, I am right
prisma wave
If we are literally in agreement
topaz bay
You misconstrued the context
prisma wave
then why not just say that rather than saying "that is dumb"
topaz bay
Excuse me for assuming you werent an idiot
heady birch
Kotlin 🥺
old wyvern
@lunar cypress Whats wrong with having those in different files?
prisma wave
🤨
topaz bay
I assumed you realized that this is clearly not production code
lunar cypress
what would be the point? @old wyvern
topaz bay
when I put it in fucking quotes
lunar cypress
they clearly belong together
prisma wave
Whether it's production code or not there is nothing wrong with questioning design decisions
heady birch
I agree with the design
lunar cypress
And as I said, it is idiomatic in kotlin to have multiple top level declarations in one file
otherwise you'd have to make a file for each top level function
heady birch
If he wanna extend it any point is pretty easy to
lunar cypress
which would be ridiculous, frankly
prisma wave
Precisely
heady birch
YAGNI, You are gonna need it
topaz bay
Just because its idiomatic, it doesn't mean you HAVE to abide by that in every situation
lunar cypress
I group components in ways it makes sense and I don't arbitrarily say "each file must have one thing only". where is the justification for that?
topaz bay
Idiomatic literally just means something that you would come across and not question
lunar cypress
I'm not forcing this lol
heady birch
What are you guys talking about, SRP?
prisma wave
Clearly these nested classes are not idomatic
lunar cypress
I'm literally using it because it makes sense in the cases where I'm using it
topaz bay
This isnt even SRP
prisma wave
@heady birch this isn't SRP per-se
topaz bay
This isnt even SLIGHTLY srp
heady birch
I joined halfway through the conversation
prisma wave
It's a similar concept in that I think your file is doing too much, not the class itself
heady birch
Are you talking about that ModuleXelEngine thing
prisma wave
yes
topaz bay
They are questioning the legitimacy of my nested single variable classes
prisma wave
Yes
heady birch
Don't like it
prisma wave
Because they are completely out of place in that file
heady birch
Either in separate files, or one class to hold them all if they are pretty small
topaz bay
They are LITERALLY, COMPLETELY in place
Because they LITERALLY
ONLY EXIST
TO BE USED HERE
heady birch
Design flaw
old wyvern
what would be the point? @Yugi
- The data classes would be much bigger with the getters and setters in java, seems fine in kotlin tho with data classes
- I dont see the difference b/w having them in a package and that incase you want to group them .
prisma wave
And as I said before if you had 300 nested classes would the same thing apply? It's far more natural to have them in their own file from the beginning
heady birch
I get told that so many times
topaz bay
THIS IS NOT PRODUCTION
prisma wave
then why are you arguing?
heady birch
We would be able to tell if you were building a production application, It would be in spring
prisma wave
I questioned a decision and you immediately said "that is dumb" when in a production environment it wouldn't be dumb at all
topaz bay
Because youre applying a false scenario
lunar cypress
what would be the point? @Yugi
- The data classes would be much bigger with the getters and setters in java, seems fine in kotlin tho with data classes
- I dont see the difference b/w having them in a package and that incase you want to group them .
@old wyvern 1. this is about kotlin. in java it's not idiomatic to have multiple top level declarations in one file and I've never done it there. 2. why spread them out so much. They don't occupy much space and you instantly see what it is about
topaz bay
Because the context of this is clearly not production
It doesnt even matter if you declare them in the top level or nested, youre still going to get individual files for them once its compiled
This is such a stupid conversation
prisma wave
Why should not being production mean that general code design ideas don't apply?
lunar cypress
who cares what it becomes after compilation
prisma wave
compilation is irrelevant
topaz bay
@prisma wave because prototyping is a thing???
prisma wave
Java inner classes become different files too, it makes no difference
topaz bay
What are you even arguing about at this point????
I made it clear its not production, you applied production rules, it was wrong, get over it.
prisma wave
Just because it's not production doesn't mean we don't have the right to criticise decisions
topaz bay
I never claimed that
lunar cypress
man we didn't "apply" anything this is a legitimate discussion to have. if you'Re not interested in having it you need not participate
prisma wave
Hardly
lunar cypress
we're not focused on your particular code anymore anyway
prisma wave
It was a legitimate criticism
topaz bay
No... not really???
old wyvern
1. this is about kotlin. in java it's not idiomatic to have multiple top level declarations in one file and I've never done it there.Oh I thought you guys were blaming java for not allowing that lol welp rip
2. why spread them out so much. They don't occupy much space and you instantly see what it is about
why spread them out so much
I actually prefer them spread out tbh. 😂
topaz bay
Youre literally flat out saying not to use nested classes
Thats fucking dumb in any situation
prisma wave
I'm saying that they shouldn't be used in this case
topaz bay
In the case of the single example file to showcase the point of an ecs
Yes
Ofc
Youre right
You win
prisma wave
They didn't need to be nested
topaz bay
Not a single soul on this planet claimed they 100% NEEDED to be nested
But you asserting 100% that they should not is bullshit
prisma wave
then why make them nested?
topaz bay
In the case of the single example file to showcase the point of an ecs
prisma wave
I never said that they shouldn't 100% be nested
topaz bay
Its literally in this single place for example's sake
LITERALLY
prisma wave
My point was just that it seemed a questionable decision
This is going nowhere
Thanks for the XP
topaz bay
I literally put real world in fucking quotes
Its going no where cause youre arguing bullshit
lunar cypress
Oh I thought you guys were blaming java for not allowing that lol welp rip
@old wyvern Well that I do too, but it's not directly related to my previous point, no
old wyvern
```Why would multiple separate classes be good in Java? Kotlin has a shorthand for writing data classes. Java does not. It may look clean in kotlin but it will just be a cluster of getters and setters when used in Java .
My point is, what works there might not be the best solution everywhere.
Imagine that example file with the 2 data classes in Java. 💀They arent even data classes ;(
lunar cypress
well, it's not about "data classes" specifically, but more about java's fixation of associating everything with a class
topaz bay
everything is a class though?
old wyvern
data class DocumentedType(
topaz bay
What the hell??? Why are the values all whack??
lunar cypress
yeah. now I'm talking about top level declarations in general
topaz bay
y u no delegation?
lunar cypress
It's just a limitation that doesn't really make sense to me
topaz bay
Is this you?
hot hull
👀
lunar cypress
how would I use that there exactly?
or for which class
DocumentedType?
I suppose I could do that, yeah
topaz bay
topaz bay
yeeeaaahhhh
lunar cypress
The whole thing is a mess I hacked together rather quickly
hot hull
It be like that most times 
topaz bay
You could you aliases for these collections though
lunar cypress
I could, yeah
topaz bay
those pair lists are killing my eyes
lunar cypress
?
topaz bay
old wyvern
I mean having static classes is technically outside the class
topaz bay
It literally just pulls it and searches for the node by name or some shit
hot hull
An apple a day, keeps the doctor way
lunar cypress
I might use that. I don't want to parse html anymore
old wyvern
public static class Member{
int a;
String b;
boolean c;
}
public static class SomethingElse{
int a;
String b;
boolean c;
}
}
```Wont something like this act similar to what you mean? @lunar cypressYou mean a class serving as a wannabe namespace or what
topaz bay
uses document queries
lunar cypress
Yeah I do too
old wyvern
You mean a class serving as a wannabe namespace or whatI mean what exactly is the problem here
lunar cypress
It just gets really messy because there are different javadoc versions and they change the html every now and then
topaz bay
Yeah, thats pretty much why I just uploaded that and never touched it again
It worked at the time, and I'm happy with that
lol
lunar cypress
Idk. what is what you sent supposed to address @old wyvern
yeah I need this javadoc thing to work across multiple versions and different layouts
So I need to take some time, clean that up and write it properly
old wyvern
as in what is the issue with that class structure is you really wanted a similar system to what you had in kotlin
lunar cypress
but html parsing just makes me want to kms
topaz bay
Does javadocs have the version information in the html?
topaz bay
If I were to do any update, it would just be to expose a find function that lets you give your own query
And call it a day
Maybe add a couple default templates in an enum for known versions
hot hull
Imagine not only supporting latest version
lunar cypress
as in what is the issue with that class structure is you really wanted a similar system to what you had in kotlin
@old wyvern no this is really different
hot hull
(for whatever program)
lunar cypress
I don't want them to be in such a fix association
having them both in a class that servers no purpose other than having other classes in it is very ugly
old wyvern
xD
quiet sierra
@quiet sierra please tell me that is implemented with nothing but observable collections
@topaz bay Mostly, but sometimes I get null-pointers when doing entity -> uuid -> entity again
quiet sierra
what about no
quiet sierra
I learned java and I'll use java
Both languages achieve the same at the end, so don't tell me to use one or another
Use whatever you like
But don't tell me what to use
quiet sierra
*oH usE kOTLiN sO muCH bETTer" just let me do my job however the fuck I want
hot hull
kek
lunar cypress
I learned Assembly 6502 and I'll use Assembly 6502
All languages are used to write code in the end
quiet sierra
Bukkit.getEntity(uuid) never gave me an actual result, always null lol
topaz bay
Yeah... so null check it...
I can count on 1 finger the amount of times Ive encountered an NPE when using java in the last YEAR
quiet sierra
You don't get NPE's in java if you don't use java
topaz bay
WAIT NO
old wyvern
xD
hot hull
If I could spell, I'd say anihilated
quiet sierra
use kotln it's better
hot hull
but since I can't, 
old wyvern
hot hull
You're*
old wyvern
xD
quiet sierra
rekt
topaz bay
Imagine typing your return value EVERY time you make a function
hot hull
Imagine making a function pfft
old wyvern
that post was so delayed
topaz bay
cant relate
hot hull
Anyhow, anyone got any ideas as to what all I can modify when it comes to bukkit chunks
old wyvern
```wdym?You can modify your server to not shit itself
quiet sierra
[ABANDONED]
Last update: 1 hour ago
hot hull
Yugi, end goal is to trick mc to show something different on f3 regarding chunk info
topaz bay
everything in the f3 menu is pulled from the client's world
except for the server brand
hot hull
Yea, but you could still customize the actual biome info, and the client would recognize that, would it not?
quiet sierra
change the server brand to "Gay"
hot hull
Mc is shit
quiet sierra
So people that press f3 read "Gay" server
old wyvern
Yea, but you could still customize the actual biome info, and the client would recognize that, would it not?Nope
topaz bay
the server literally sends biomes to the client by numeric id
quiet sierra
how tf are people sending imges here
topaz bay
and those values are mapped to the player's locale
old wyvern
@quiet sierra tier 2+
quiet sierra
oof
old wyvern
mhm
hot hull
Is there not a packet which contains that info?
old wyvern
yes but I assume client wont recognise an invalid biome
topaz bay
the player's world and the server's world are completely separate
old wyvern
its hard coded
topaz bay
they just tell each other what changes
prisma wave
The biome name is resolved client side though
old wyvern
^
hot hull
Ah same thing as enchants then
old wyvern
tbh Minecraft was never meant to be what it is rn
prisma wave
Idk I can't think of a better way to do it
hot hull
When you get a good idea, but it's impossible
topaz bay
I'm almost certain these limitations do not exist on bedrock
old wyvern
hopefully hytale delivers to expectations
hot hull
bedrock sucks tho
hot hull
Yugi, we'll see, it'll probs be dead
prisma wave
They've already lost most of the hype
hot hull
BM, probs gonna be mad money stacks when it comes out if people get interested again tho
old wyvern
like it's actually hideous```Yes the skin xD
But it apparently allows a lot of modification from serverYou don't play the game, ez
prisma wave
You can't replicate the Java edition feeling imo
old wyvern
BM, probs gonna be mad money stacks when it comes out if people get interested again thoHypixel Studios was bought my a game studio a month or 2 ago right?
prisma wave
people will still stick to Java
hot hull
Yes Yugi
old wyvern
it does suppourt Java developement as well apparently for addons
hot hull
Wait, what's hytale even written in?
old wyvern
Wait, what's hytale even written in?cpp/C#
hot hull
oof
old wyvern
its not written in Java mainly
hot hull
I mean if it allows java addons, that'd be neat
old wyvern
Thats what I have heard till now
prisma wave
They should use GraalVM to allow plugins to be written in Rust
That'd be a wonderful thing
old wyvern
I mean if they dont support it , that would literally discourage a lot of dev's from mc communities from moving which is kind of a loss to them
yup bought by Riot
The player skins are very weird
prisma wave
I very much doubt hytale will get any sort of popularity
hot hull
The game looks dogshit