dev-general

[topaz bay]

(obviously)

lol

[lunar cypress]

right thought so

lisp uses pn then

[hallow tide]

https://fishlanguage.com/

[remote goblet]

:P

[topaz bay]

@remote goblet its what she deserves

[lunar cypress]

let's not get started with esoteric languages

[remote goblet]

Now to write something that isnt that trash

but im not sure how to do that

so we'll find out how this goes

[lunar cypress]

reminds me of the one i've been wanting to implement for 2 years now

[hallow tide]

XD

[topaz bay]

Ive written a couple of languages

Honestly the most fun programming Ive ever done

[lunar cypress]

Yeah languages are awesome

[hallow tide]

ok i gtg sleep cya guys

[prisma wave]

bye

[lunar cypress]

👋

I'll also call it for today

[prisma wave]

weak

REAL programmers don't sleep /s

[remote goblet]

is this a good start :o

[topaz bay]

absolutely weak

NO

[remote goblet]

okay

sorry

delete

[topaz bay]

You dont need the plugin

and make the class final

[remote goblet]

attempt #3 😅

[topaz bay]

your theme is annoying

[remote goblet]

whai

Is this better for you?

[topaz bay]

why is public a different color from final and class

honestly yes

[remote goblet]

my eyes are burning

i had to switch off that

okay lets see how trash this gets

[signal tinsel]

my eyes are burning from the amount of messages I'm about to send in console

[remote goblet]

im scared of messing any of this up lmao

[signal tinsel]

Oh fuck

I forgot things are just references

[prisma wave]

how so

[remote goblet]

@topaz bay how bad is it :o

[topaz bay]

that equality check is dumb

and theres no reason to hold a reference to the world, nor the center

[remote goblet]

the if (this.owner == owner) return

or

[topaz bay]

Yes

Ugh

Kotlin would suit you so well

[remote goblet]

;o

looking at examples of kotlins

It looks scary

[prisma wave]

that's bad kotlin

[remote goblet]

I never said it was good

[prisma wave]

they're using streams

ew

[remote goblet]

that's all written with 8 hours of knowledge with kotlin

as they spent 8 hours transferring from java to kotlin

[topaz bay]

omg

the resolution of the method

yikes..

[remote goblet]

anyway

kotlin is scary

[topaz bay]

Its really not

[remote goblet]

anything is scary to me

I already have Java, Html, Css and Spanish to learn

I dont need kotlin thrown in there

[topaz bay]

did you just group html and css with a GP programming language and a SPEAKING language

How... DARE you

[remote goblet]

LMAOO

[distant sun]

:))

[remote goblet]

my html and css is really bad

my spanish is enough to get by

my java is clearly a mess

kotlin scares me

sooooooo

[topaz bay]

Fun fact

You can replace java, html, and css with Kotlin

🙂

[remote goblet]

Can you replace spanish with kotlin

🙂

[topaz bay]

Yes

[remote goblet]

shut up

[prisma wave]

Absolutely

[remote goblet]

oh yeah

add SQL in the list of languages aswell

even tho html isnt a language

[topaz bay]

it is a language

its not a programming language

[remote goblet]

ye

[topaz bay]

language is literally in the name

xD

[remote goblet]

i'm not the smartest person here :P

[topaz bay]

You can also technically replace sql with kotlin too

[remote goblet]

I'll learn kotlin eventually

:(

[topaz bay]

https://github.com/Sxtanna/KDatabases/tree/master/Kuery

[distant sun]

yo

[topaz bay]

lol

[distant sun]

what are you doing here

move back to #development

[remote goblet]

Sxtanna is trying to convince me to learn kotlin

[prisma wave]

Good idea

Learn kotlin

[remote goblet]

Bite me

sx am I allowed to do

public Island(Island island) {
  // Stuff
}
``` or is that forbidden

[topaz bay]

no?

Although, kotlin would do this for you

just sayin...

[remote goblet]

Shush about kotlin

[topaz bay]

Kotlin also does this...

🙂

[frail glade]

😍

[remote goblet]

I just need this plugin to be somewhat functional >:(

without the use of kotlin

[frail glade]

I feel that

[topaz bay]

I meaannnn

If youre looking for functional, Kotlin is definitely better

LOL

[remote goblet]

I meannnnn

[frail glade]

Can confirm

[remote goblet]

all skyblock plugins suck so I'd rather make my own

[frail glade]

Oof

[remote goblet]

despite my brain does not contain enough brain cells to do it

:(

[topaz bay]

Said every person who ever wrote skyblock plugins

[remote goblet]

I have amazing english and grammar

[topaz bay]

And look at that

They all still suck ass

[remote goblet]

Well the thing is tho

If I make a skyblock plugin

and it sucks

I can only blame myself

[topaz bay]

The issue is that they didnt use Kotlin

:D

[remote goblet]

You make a kotlin skyblock plugin and we'll see if it still sucks ass

:D

[topaz bay]

quite busy atm

Maybe later though

[frail glade]

Is that the new premium plugin?

[topaz bay]

hell no

[remote goblet]

I wish i had external emojis

Normal text doesn't justify what i wanna say :o

[ocean quartz]

Everyone has some resistance going into Kotlin, but once they do, they don't wanna go back

[topaz bay]

I'm mad I cant use coggers

[frail glade]

What are you wanting to say? I'll translate it.

[topaz bay]

glare

use coggers

[frail glade]

What the hell is that

[topaz bay]

WHAT

[remote goblet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/503676454052167701.png?v=1
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585580174804779009.png?v=1 are prob the best examples

[frail glade]

I got no idea what a coffee is.

[remote goblet]

now just picture those everywhere

[topaz bay]

yikes...

imagine using java

🤢

[frail glade]

make sure to use ArrayList

[remote goblet]

Sxtanna I will smack the shit out of you >:(

[topaz bay]

I'm ok with this

As long as you use Kotlin

[frail glade]

She going to smack you silly

[topaz bay]

smile

[frail glade]

Or he

[remote goblet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/594184910000881665.gif?v=1

[frail glade]

I don't assume gender

[topaz bay]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-me-with-that-dodge-gif-5757188

[remote goblet]

Teach me kotlin and ill do this in kotlin

bet

[topaz bay]

ugh

[remote goblet]

I'm the last person you'll wanna teach btw

[topaz bay]

Why is it always me teaching people kotlin

[remote goblet]

cause

[topaz bay]

You would be like the 6th person

[remote goblet]

when you're talking to someone who doesn't know kotlin

and start shoving it down their throat telling them to use it

[frail glade]

I'll teach you Kotlin

[topaz bay]

JUST LEARN IT 4HEAD

[remote goblet]

they'll typically be like "okay fine, teach me it"

SXTANNA, I TAUGHT MYSELF JAVA AND LOOK AT WHAT WE GOT

WE GOT THAT ISLAND.JAVA

[topaz bay]

WELL

[remote goblet]

Maybe I should pull a Mr. Mask and just get spoonfed code all the time and claim im learning it

[topaz bay]

whom?

[frail glade]

WHAT

[remote goblet]

https://hasteb.in/moxisuka.txt

someone who made my brain hurt before in #off-topic

[frail glade]

🤿

Mr Mask ^

[ocean quartz]

Join us in Kotlin, you can do cool things like this

[remote goblet]

I will learn kotlin

if you teach me it

but trust me you dont want to teach me it

[topaz bay]

You cant be worse than glare

[frail glade]

I didn't even want to reach myself it

Okay ur banned

[ocean quartz]

We need to get @distant sun to use it too

[topaz bay]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pbs-gbbo-great-british-baking-show-NsCMDOaT6fphEokMRQ

[distant sun]

noobs

[topaz bay]

Maybe I should make a kotlin learning discord

[distant sun]

a blog

[frail glade]

Or a decent tutorial

[distant sun]

I mean vlog

[ocean quartz]

Make sure to make an indian accent

[topaz bay]

the kotlin reference is infinitely better than any blog anyone can make

[topaz bay]

And people still struggle

[remote goblet]

I was told im not learning kotlin

soo

[topaz bay]

Tell Emily to suck my whole ass

[distant sun]

or d

[frail glade]

Damn Emily is lucky :(

I only got half

[remote goblet]

I trust nicole over all of you :o

[topaz bay]

WHAT

WHY

Clearly Nicole is a 4head

[frail glade]

Because she's her friend

She's nice to her

[remote goblet]

Nicole is my favourite person :o

[frail glade]

She's not Sxtanna.

[topaz bay]

https://tenor.com/view/4head-haha-clap-applause-gif-11789360

[remote goblet]

She didn't completely bully my Island.java >:(

[topaz bay]

You have favourite people?!??!

I have a list of people whom I hate the least

And thats it

[ocean quartz]

Am I in it?

[frail glade]

I know I am

[remote goblet]

They didn't entirely bully it

[frail glade]

Ori, don't feel attacked, Sxtanna bullies everyone.

[remote goblet]

I know

:(

[topaz bay]

Ok, now shes just lying

[remote goblet]

She's trying to make me feel better about it

[frail glade]

The channel is here to give improvements and constructive criticism.

[remote goblet]

Before she said that she essentially told me to give up

soo

[distant sun]

She's not Sxtanna.
@frail glade good point

who would want that

[frail glade]

If you give up, you're not getting anywhere.

[topaz bay]

@distant sun fuck you

[frail glade]

I will also say a Skyblock is a pretty big first project, if it is your first.

[distant sun]

thanks

[ocean quartz]

Do like me, make it, then rewrite it, then rewrite it again

[distant sun]

and never finish it <3

[ocean quartz]

Exactly

[distant sun]

0 bugs

0 unhappy buyers

0 stress

[remote goblet]

It's my first decent project

[distant sun]

flip you too btw @topaz bay

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[remote goblet]

ive got a lot of projects but its the only one I actually wanna complete

[topaz bay]

Oh thats some weak shit

[distant sun]

Im here with you ori

[frail glade]

You're doing great, Ori!

[remote goblet]

Ori is not doing great 😅

[distant sun]

90% of my projects havent seen the day light

[topaz bay]

Dont listen to them Ori

Youre doing TERRIBLE

😈

[remote goblet]

I hate you

i hope you know that

[topaz bay]

LMFAO

[distant sun]

I thought everyone does that

good to know

[ocean quartz]

My work flow is great

[frail glade]

I have like 20 projects I haven't completed, so, don't feel bad. A project is never actually finished.

[topaz bay]

https://tenor.com/view/silent-tears-crying-sad-gif-10045699

[kindred hatch]

20?

[frail glade]

Okay fine, 200.

[kindred hatch]

I have 20 servers that never saw the light of day, plugins wise....

[distant sun]

:))

and let's not talk about updates

[frail glade]

Oof

Like PAPI3?

[distant sun]

❤️ gian

like tp 2020 update which is coming in the summer of 2030

[frail glade]

Wot

[distant sun]

the update we were supposed to finish before 1st jan

and it's fucking april xd

[frail glade]

Yeah but we didn't say of which year.

[distant sun]

#testplugins-2020-update isn't enough?

[frail glade]

Oh you mean the update to 1.15?

[distant sun]

I mean ANY UPDATE

xd

[frail glade]

I'll update VoteParty

[distant sun]

we got competition rn

test-plugins.org

[remote goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/peppa-pig-minecraft-meme-peppa-pig-minecraft-meme-gif-14960039

[frail glade]

😍

[compact perch]

@frail glade

⌛ Hold up...

You already claimed your daily reward for today!

Resets in: 4h 3m 48s • Your Current Streak: x22

[remote goblet]

I dare someone to tag piggy with that

[distant sun]

@quiet depot

[ocean quartz]

Lol

[distant sun]

yet no =clip

[frail glade]

=clip

Oof

He's funny

[distant sun]

if your discord is a little slow you dont even get to see the gif lmao

[frail glade]

Get a faster Discord.

[distant sun]

good point

[remote goblet]

oh dear

using p variable instead of player

so many brackets

[rotund egret]

Interesting. You must read English differently than I do, because to me it doesn't appear he asked about either of those.

[remote goblet]

Well funny thing

This isn't the support channel

[eager sierra]

Oh oops

[remote goblet]

so both of you must be reading english differently

[rotund egret]

relaxed area to discuss development topics
Seems on topic to me, but go off I guess 👀

[remote goblet]

I discussed the fact they using a lot of brackets and they were using p variable 👀 Their question didnt matter in this channel because this channel isn't meant for support

It's meant for trashing Eclipse Users, 1.8 Developers and convincing people to switch to Kotlin

[distant sun]

^

[rotund egret]

Eclipse is good for specific things that Intellij doesn't do well

[remote goblet]

Eclipse is bad in all areas

[rotund egret]

There's some very specific niche advantages.
Something with ast's, and IIRC something with source processors and Intellij not being able to do them.

Nothing I work with, but notable for someone that might.

[remote goblet]

Supporting Eclipse is not allowed in this channel

[rotund egret]

Plus it's less bloat

but I still like Intellij, it suits my needs

[frail glade]

asts? Source processors?

[rotund egret]

Idk these were notes made by Mumfrey and Lex. Mumfrey being someone who made Mixin, which does bytecode manipulation commonly used for Coremods.
So they probably get really technical with this stuff.

https://github.com/SpongePowered/Mixin if you were curious

[topaz bay]

Eclipse does absolutely nothing better than IntelliJ

[rough flame]

Hi

What's this channel for? :P

I mean how it differs from #development

@pallid gale I think the name of this channel is not perfecet. This is already under General, no need to even include it in its name. I think a clarification of each channel's purposeshould help deciding new distinct names for these two.

[frail glade]

#development for code.

this for discussing stuff related to dev

[rough flame]

Then maybe that channel should be coding, this should be development

[topaz bay]

Those words are synonyms in English

[rough flame]

That is not true

[topaz bay]

I think.... I know this language...

[rough flame]

I think you are wrong

[topaz bay]

dev-support and dev-general would be nice

Ok Mr Hungarian

[rough flame]

Oh you are getting personal, nice

[topaz bay]

Thats not personal...

[rough flame]

It is.

[topaz bay]

There are millions of Hungarians

[rough flame]

And millions if idiots

[topaz bay]

Oh not that many millions it seems

Only 9

[rough flame]

What about software-development and plugin-coding or something like that

[topaz bay]

Its general discussion about development

[quiet depot]

tell you what

[pallid gale]

I just didnt want two channels called #development lol

It's only a trial run of this channel

nothing confirmed

[quiet depot]

how about we just call this place #code-monkeys

[rough flame]

where we don't talk about code?

(by GLARE)

[quiet depot]

wot?

[pallid gale]

Did you just assume my species?

[rough flame]

#development for code.
(by GLARE)

[quiet depot]

o

[rough flame]

Okay, what about
plugin-development and
software-development?

First is only about plugin development, second is everything that is software development but not plugin dev

(but do we really need two channels for development?)

[topaz bay]

The difference is the intention

[rotund egret]

Worth nothing that my thesaurus doesn't have "coding" as a synonym for "development"

In-fact development is so broad it would be used for a lot of different things, it would be weird to be a synonym.

[topaz bay]

One is for helping people, the other is for discussion

[rough flame]

I see

[pallid gale]

Does the channel name really matter this much?

lol

[topaz bay]

@rotund egret thats a non factor

[frail glade]

You guys sound like the same people who complain about /daddy being a command in PlaceholderAPI.

[topaz bay]

ofc the word development has a million definitions

[frail glade]

The point being it's useless to be concerned about.

[rough flame]

The channel's name is the primary indicator of its goal, people will just GUESS what the channel is for by its name

[rotund egret]

That's aside the point, it's not a synonym, which is the point

[rough flame]

https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/skript ?

support? xd

[obtuse gale]

Wtf skript

[rough flame]

I'm just kidding don't worry, we are trolled

[topaz bay]

Its "beside" the point

And if you apply it to the context of what it means here, "Software Development" it is a synonym

[pallid gale]

HELP! my skript isnt working

[frail glade]

Okay guys

for all players online:
player kick

WHy doesn't my skript work?

[topaz bay]

@pallid gale please

no

[rotund egret]

Software development is a phrase, not a word 👀

[pallid gale]

Is anyone here?!?!

pls @frail glade @quiet depot @pallid gale help

[rough flame]

(A phase still can have a context)

[quiet depot]

wat problem funnycube?

[pallid gale]

script dont work

skript

[quiet depot]

have you tried turning it off and on again?

[rotund egret]

Yeah a phrase can have context, that wasn't what I said.

[pallid gale]

im not the owner

just dev

[quiet depot]

oh ok

there's nothing you can do then

[topaz bay]

I never said it was a word

[quiet depot]

just tell the owner skript is broken

[pallid gale]

but this is skript support

[topaz bay]

I said "development" in this context means "software development"

[pallid gale]

so i need support

[frail glade]

Sir I'm going to have to ask you not to tag staff.

[rough flame]

/kill all *

[pallid gale]

@frail glade fk u crap sever

[quiet depot]

sx this aint english channel

[pallid gale]

Spanish?

[topaz bay]

Je peux parle en francais si tu veux

[quiet depot]

not quite

[frail glade]

Alrighty, I'm going to have to mute you.

[quiet depot]

spanish, like the cube said

[pallid gale]

pls no

[frail glade]

=mute @pallid gale

[compact perch]

@frail glade

Invalid Args!

=mute <@user> <global/services>

[quiet depot]

=mute @frail glade

[compact perch]

@quiet depot

Invalid Args!

=mute <@user> <global/services>

[frail glade]

=mute @pallid gale global

[compact perch]

@frail glade, Did you really just try that?

[obtuse gale]

Denizen for life

[pallid gale]

Can't get muted if you are the server owner 🤔

[pallid gale]

Still ain't muted

[frail glade]

😮

[quiet depot]

@obtuse gale lukkit, lua for bukkit

[topaz bay]

@pallid gale

I ain't bovvered

[pallid gale]

Really should reset the ecloud log

[frail glade]

Yeah...

[pallid gale]

2,375,912 lines is quite a few to read

[frail glade]

Ooof 502 errors again.

[pallid gale]

bs

[obtuse gale]

Speaking of lua, you might not want to interact with Roblox development on their discord :)

[frail glade]

April Fools

[pallid gale]

roblox support

we can add that

[topaz bay]

petition to erase lua from human history?

I vote yes.

[rough flame]

No, we need wow addons and factorio

[obtuse gale]

I've seen worse on their style of coding

[frail glade]

#696216527044870254

[quiet depot]

nah

we need #roblox-coding-support & #roblox-development-support

because they different

[woeful sigil]

free robux at my facebook channel please donate

[pallid gale]

#roblox-general-english-debate

[topaz bay]

@quiet depot VERY different

obviously

[quiet depot]

ur VERY different

obviously

[pallid gale]

different with that 4head

[quiet depot]

yeah

[topaz bay]

SHUT UP

[quiet depot]

giant 4head

[obtuse gale]

local arr = {yes;no}
if (arr[0]) then
//stuff
end```

[woeful sigil]

buy my robux pls

[topaz bay]

Wow, I'm offended

[obtuse gale]

There's the abuse of table style

[woeful sigil]

how much is it worth lol

[pallid gale]

I'll only shutup if you stop causing arguments

[topaz bay]

Im going to report you now

HOW DID I CAUSE THAT

[pallid gale]

otherwise i'll rename the discord

[obtuse gale]

Do it

[topaz bay]

No balls

This is my greatest achievement to date.

[obtuse gale]

LOL

[pallid gale]

Wouldn't want to scare off new people so quickly

[topaz bay]

I am 100% ok with this

[obtuse gale]

Aw man, i was going to ask for help with the roblox studio rip

[frail glade]

lol

[woeful sigil]

i have never been to a roblox discord server

[obtuse gale]

Lol

[steel heart]

Roblox is the most godly game

[wind kelp]

yo is there a github where i can report issues at for deluxe menus @chilly jungle

an issue tracker

[pallid gale]

See if the bug happens in the latest dev build: https://ci.extendedclip.com/job/DeluxeMenus/ if it does drop a message on the plugin discussion page

and/or catch clip online

[wind kelp]

aren't dev builds unstable though @pallid gale

[pallid gale]

It's just to see if we're already aware of the bug

[wind kelp]

oh so let's say it's fixed in a dev buils that's basically him trying to fix every buy possible and when he's nearly done he release a build to spigot correct?

@pallid gale

[pallid gale]

They're development builds, for the most part they should be stable. Just not heavily tested like release versions are

[wind kelp]

oh ok and i use 1.8.8

[pallid gale]

1.8 isn't officially supported anymore

[wind kelp]

why

ya it is it loads

[pallid gale]

It's like 4 years old

[wind kelp]

then u must not pay attention

he hadded 1.8 back to it

[pallid gale]

We can't guarantee full support for 1.8.8 but it seems that it works just fine.

That doesn't mean it's officially supported.

[wind kelp]

ya i can just decompile it myself n add it if they remove it and rebrand it and offer it for download

or sell the source code

[pallid gale]

It's a free plugin?

huh?

[wind kelp]

deluxemenus?

[pallid gale]

Correct

[wind kelp]

i believe so

its free but offers no source code

[pallid gale]

Yes, your point?

[wind kelp]

but i have 2 advanced decompilers so i'll put on friends spigot page so people can use its source code

since clip doesnt offer it

[pallid gale]

But... why?

lol

[wind kelp]

cause i can and i know clip wouldn't like it

[pallid gale]

It's only not public cause its a mess

Not cause we're trying to hide it

[wind kelp]

ya cause clip is trash at coding

i can tell

[pallid gale]

You're free to decompile it and use it for your own use

No one is stopping you are or your 2 advanced decompilers

[wind kelp]

and claim it as mine

[pallid gale]

What's the point, spigot just removes it?

Achieves nothing

[hot hull]

What an absolute madlad lmao

[pallid gale]

Indeed

[hot hull]

If the plugin is so trash, make your own lmao

[wind kelp]

no lol i know how to hide it and me and my friend made 960$ so far off 1 copied plugin n it's been on there for 9 months now

we didn't make it

[pallid gale]

I mean with a premium plugin you can atleast leak a paid plugin, but delumenus is free?

[wind kelp]

well tf u going on about with you attitude then if u don't care cause obviously you do son

[pallid gale]

Who would pay for a copy of a free plugin?

[wind kelp]

well not if me and my friend work on it to fix issues and add certain features clip didn't do

[pallid gale]

Why not just request them?

[wind kelp]

look at clip that minecraft nerd spent money on discord boosts how nerdy is that

and so did u cube

you minecraft nerd

[pallid gale]

So nerdy

[wind kelp]

ok minecraft nerd

[pallid gale]

How could have I of done such a terrible thing /s

[wind kelp]

ok minecraft nerd, go to sleep now.

[pallid gale]

Alright, good chat

[wind kelp]

lmao u edited it lol

go back to english 1

[pallid gale]

Indeed I did

[wind kelp]

you can't even use proper sentences

[somber tulip]

Bruh you literally made a minecraft plug-in tho debuff?

[hot hull]

^ 😂

[wind kelp]

learn how to talk before you talk back at someone

[somber tulip]

Ironic

[pallid gale]

No his 2 advanced decompilers is too advanced

[wind kelp]

@somber tulip who said i coded a plugin though?

i said i can decompile them

are u stupid a decompiler can crack anything not just an mc plugin it's not based off mc

go get an education you minecraft nerds

[somber tulip]

Ceo of missing the point

[pallid gale]

How does one crack a free plugin?

[hot hull]

I just can't lmao

[wind kelp]

yo guys literally are minecraft nerdsxd

[somber tulip]

YOURE IN A MINECRAFT DISCORD 😂😂

[pallid gale]

Shh don't tell him

I mean props to him for using the right channel

[wind kelp]

cracking a free plugin so people can edit the source

you minecraft nerds

[pallid gale]

That's not cracking it?

[wind kelp]

this word must really hurt you

nerd

you keep rambling i can tell

[pallid gale]

Yup, you caught me out /s

[wind kelp]

well, most people will say things to disregard them from sounding mad, but you are.

i'm sorry i hurt you

[somber tulip]

On a real note, why are you here?

[wind kelp]

i'm sorry i hurt you

[pallid gale]

What exactly am I suppose to be mad at?

[wind kelp]

i'm sorry i hurt your feelings

i'm sorry i hurt your feelings @pallid gale you minecraft nerd

you're a god damn helper and admin on a minecraft discord you minecraft nerd

never speak my name with yo phony ass

[quiet depot]

wadu hek

why is this kid still here

[somber tulip]

You think they’d be in a minecraft discord if they cared if people call them nerds lmao

[quiet depot]

where's the ban at

[pallid gale]

Welcome pig

What's the fun in that

[hot hull]

Too funny to ban em

[quiet depot]

aight

[wind kelp]

piggy can't handle being called a minecraft nerd so he's gonna ban me

[somber tulip]

I can almost see the tears from his face

[wind kelp]

i'm sorry i hurt you piggy

[pallid gale]

Yeah thats what a reckon

[somber tulip]

Vision blurred?

[pallid gale]

@quiet depot You minecraft nerd

[quiet depot]

oh

you did hurt me

my feelings are severely hurt

i wish I could be more like you debuff

such a cool guy

[wind kelp]

look at you guys we got the whole minecraft nerd squad and you over here tryna talk shit but you the ones with a discord rank on a minecraft server

you minecraft nerds

[somber tulip]

His username sounds like someone who plays minecraft

[wind kelp]

get life kid

[somber tulip]

You minecraft need

Shit

[wind kelp]

i've had this account since i was 14

[pallid gale]

Don't edit it, he'll be onto you

[wind kelp]

you minecraft nerd

why would i edit something of my childhood days

[quiet depot]

funny thing is most of us don’t even play this game, just profit off little kids that do

like debuff for example

[distant sun]

Lmao @quiet depot

[somber tulip]

facts

[pallid gale]

this is true

[wind kelp]

so how are you gonna test plugins??? stfu you minecraft nerds

[pallid gale]

Woah was that an edit?

[hot hull]

And how old are you now? 15

[quiet depot]

learn english stupid

[somber tulip]

Frosty don’t be silly

[pallid gale]

Learn english nerd

[somber tulip]

14 and 3/4

[quiet depot]

you’re being too kind

[wind kelp]

you just literally admitted you just make plugins, you minecraft nerds.

[quiet depot]

~9 years old

[wind kelp]

lmao you all are ganging up on me now i know how much i hurt you so i'm gonna stop now

[pallid gale]

Bet you're secretly a roblox nerd @wind kelp

[hot hull]

you just literally admitted you just make plugins, you minecraft nerds.
I'm confused as to how this would be a bad thing

[wind kelp]

i feel pitty for you

[quiet depot]

pity*

stupid

learn english kid

[wind kelp]

what's roblox lmao

[quiet depot]

ur favourite game

[somber tulip]

That game you play every week

[wind kelp]

well your mom plays with my nuts while you play roblox

[somber tulip]

OOOO mom roast let’s go

[wind kelp]

i'm sorry i hurt you guys now i can tell you're mad

[pallid gale]

We've upgraded from nerd calling

What a day to be alive

[wind kelp]

i bet your head built like a fucking rotten potato

[pallid gale]

What?

[somber tulip]

These roasts a weak doe

[wind kelp]

bitch you so ugly even bob the builder said we can't fix it

[pallid gale]

Thats better

[somber tulip]

Nice google

[wind kelp]

google

how

i can show u my history

ur fucking dumb

[somber tulip]

I really don’t care

[pallid gale]

Wouldn't want to see the roblox porn

Taking this long for a come back?

smh

[wind kelp]

see you wouldn't think of good comebacks cause you need google and you just said rn "google" which means you're a waste of time you gotta use google to learn to talk now i can see why you seem uneducated

[somber tulip]

What?

[hot hull]

Commas exist, learn to utilize them

[wind kelp]

idc

[pallid gale]

Leave his run on sentence alone lol

[hot hull]

Anyhow, thanks for the good laugh

Jesus

[pallid gale]

And thats enough of him

[somber tulip]

I’d hope so after that

[pallid gale]

Reported to discord <o/

[hot hull]

Thanks

[pallid gale]

Well that was fun, back to work

[distant sun]

Tp 2020 update @pallid gale

[foggy pond]

God I missed out on that

I think he was a troll though

I don't think he was actually that dumb

[prisma wave]

Wtf was that

[quiet depot]

high iq

[prisma wave]

Clearly

A man of vast intelligence

[quiet depot]

big brain

[prisma wave]

are u stupid a decompiler can crack anything not just an mc plugin it's not based off mc

I think this was my favourite

You can hack NASA with a decompiler

[foggy pond]

I want more people like that

[obtuse gale]

What the hell was that chat above

[pallid gale]

Was good fun

Besides the end stuff i hate to purge

[obtuse gale]

He was neutral 2 days ago, no idea why he was cuckoo bananas today

[foggy pond]

He was a troll I'm telling you

[prisma wave]

He finally realised that we're all Minecraft nerds

Couldn't handle it

[obtuse gale]

Haha

[pallid gale]

idk he said some racist stuff at the end

[obtuse gale]

We all are minecraft nerds xD

[prisma wave]

o

[foggy pond]

He thought he was in a roblox server

[obtuse gale]

🤷

[foggy pond]

what is that

[prisma wave]

How does that work

[obtuse gale]

This is better

[foggy pond]

THe name of the server or what 😂

[obtuse gale]

Oh and about this picture, there's an API for it

[prisma wave]

Holy

Oh really?

[lunar cypress]

[obtuse gale]

Yeah, I just figured that api was in JDA last time

Then I thought i could use it to abuse

[pallid gale]

o interesting

[obtuse gale]

Btw, it lists all clients of a user

[pallid gale]

how you getting the client info

[obtuse gale]

I only figure it in JDA...

On the User entity to be exact

Check in js, who knows

Oh and also, it will not show if user is on invisible

[foggy pond]

He is a cracker decompiler

[pallid gale]

=eval msg.reply(msg.author.local)

[compact perch]

@pallid gale

Promise { <pending> }

[pallid gale]

umm

alright

[lunar cypress]

where in user

or do you mean status

[pallid gale]

=eval msg.reply(msg.author.system)

[compact perch]

@pallid gale

Promise { <pending> }

[foggy pond]

=op klyser8

[pallid gale]

checks out

b=eval msg.reply(msg.author.system)

[whole zenith]

@pallid gale

Promise { <pending> }

[foggy pond]

what are you doing

[lunar cypress]

this i suppose?

[pallid gale]

Trying to find the same thing in js

[prisma wave]

Use an ide smh

[lunar cypress]

you need to wait for the promise to finish

[obtuse gale]

Oh wait I'm so dumb lol

[pallid gale]

no ignore that

[obtuse gale]

It's on Member

[pallid gale]

the top part is the reply

second half is just the eval

[lunar cypress]

oh you're replying in chat i see

[obtuse gale]

There is an enumset in Member#getActiveClient()

[lunar cypress]

oh yeah you're right

[pallid gale]

b=eval console.log(msg.member.premiumSince)

[whole zenith]

undefined

[obtuse gale]

Lol

[pallid gale]

it worked

[lunar cypress]

why do you console log when the eval result is returned in the channel lol

[quiet depot]

cube got the big brain

[pallid gale]

b=eval msg.member.premiumSince

[whole zenith]

2019-06-05T01:28:51.176Z

[pallid gale]

cause whats the fun in that if you see it

[foggy pond]

Whoa wtf from when on is there 3 barreisys

[glad copper]

Lel

[pallid gale]

beta is just local barry running on my machine

hes only online when im testing something

[obtuse gale]

member.presence.clientStatus``` @pallid gale

[pallid gale]

=eval msg.member.presence.clientStatus

[compact perch]

{ desktop: 'dnd' }

[pallid gale]

Oh it's in there

[distant sun]

desktop?

o

[pallid gale]

interesting, thanks

might add it to whois

[obtuse gale]

Np

[foggy pond]

I can't be the only one who actually started with Skript

[lunar cypress]

I died

the poor hashmap

[prisma wave]

sterilizing

[foggy pond]

Why won't people let 1.8 die honestly

"CombAT waS BETER!" stfu there is plugins which fix combat post 1.8

[obtuse gale]

Reminds me of a kid who posted #694758129623367750 yesterday offering 5-10$ to train to be a better PvP player ._.

He was full of toxicity btw

[foggy pond]

WTF HAHA

that's pretty funny

[lunar cypress]

There was one person here asking for a big custom plugin made who literally offered like 1.5$

[remote goblet]

there was someone who was asking for a big/impossible/complicated discord bot for free

[foggy pond]

I mean I think that's just people who don't know how much time and effort it takes to write plugins

I don't get people who say that their budget is between 0 and 50$ for example

[lunar cypress]

they don't appreciate it even if you explain it to them

[foggy pond]

Does that mean that they might want the plugin for free?

[lunar cypress]

ever been freelancing?

[foggy pond]

Yeah, I have made a few plugins for people

For money

[lunar cypress]

In my experience, those people are like "that's basically no effort since you know everything" or "when I can explain it insufficiently in 2 sentences coding it must be the same" or "programming is easy and everybody can do it so I don't have to pay you that much"

not that many for exposure people fortunately but still

[foggy pond]

So far I actually haven't encountered any of those people yet

Most people payed fairly and were understanding

But the annoying part is when the clients keep being very vague about their plugin

[lunar cypress]

idk what you understand as a fair price but I'm happy for you that you got there mostly

[foggy pond]

Fair price would be something ~7$ an hour for me, not more mainly cause I am not an expert at what I do

But 1.5$ for a plugin which might take weeks to work on

[lunar cypress]

I've also worked for 7/h and less but I don't accept those anymore

[winter iron]

Any suggestions for a plugin which I can use to redeem commands with paper?

[lunar cypress]

Double that and it's fair more or less

[hot hull]

Any vouchers plugin out there

[winter iron]

ty

[foggy pond]

I mean ye, I don't ask for much yet cause there is much better developers than me out there, but as I get better the price increases obv

[hot hull]

It should decrease since you know everything 😉

[lunar cypress]

:wesmart:

[prisma wave]

wait you guys get paid hourly?

god that'd be nice

[foggy pond]

I mean

[lunar cypress]

You guys are getting paid?

[foggy pond]

I usually say how long the plugin takes, do 7 * hours it will take and voila that's the price

[prisma wave]

oh yeah

[foggy pond]

if I take longer that's on me

[lunar cypress]

yeah that's what I do mostly as well

[prisma wave]

how do you estimate the times though?

[hot hull]

You roll the dice

[foggy pond]

if the request is something I have possibly done similarly before, then I can estimate how long it will take

Otherwise I would have to look a bit into it and how I would go about making the plugin

And then make an estimate

[rotund egret]

Just always estimate 30 minutes +- 3 years

[prisma wave]

close enough

[foggy pond]

+-3 years

So it could be -2.999 years

[hot hull]

I mean if you roll the dice on a plugin which would take a week and you get 30 min

You're kinda yikes

But if it's the other way around, damn

[foggy pond]

yes then the guy requesting blocks you

[hot hull]

That's why you take 50% upfront

[quiet depot]

or sign a contract

[lunar cypress]

I also look at what components I need, how I'd approach and design things and what could possibly go wrong

[hot hull]

I usually take 100% upfront, but that's besided the point

[foggy pond]

Usually I do:

1. We work out everything
2. I make plugin
3. I show it to the client
4. He pays me
5. He gets the plugin

[rotund egret]

im not asking 12 year olds to sign a contract

[foggy pond]

That way the guy wont earn anything from scamming me even if he wanted to

[hot hull]

^

[lunar cypress]

Usually I do:

1. We work out everything
2. I make plugin
3. I show it to the client
4. He pays me
5. He gets the plugin
   @foggy pond I really recommend you take at least 50% upfront

[foggy pond]

Why though, there is no reason for them to scam

[lunar cypress]

You'll get scammed eventually

[rotund egret]

Yeah get paid for time

[remote goblet]

take 99% upfront

[foggy pond]

They dont gain anything

[lunar cypress]

They dont gain anything
@foggy pond They waste time

[hot hull]

I mean if you get another commission in the future requesting the same plugin you can be happy :p

[lunar cypress]

If you work hard on something and they decide to just ignore you, it's really frustrating

[heady birch]

Yeah when they dont pay just finish the plugin and release it on spigot

[foggy pond]

I haven't worked on any big plugin yet, the biggest one I worked on took me like 4 hours

[lunar cypress]

and time=work=value

[foggy pond]

So for bigger plugins I would probably ask for money every time a new 'checkpoint' is reached in the plugin

Veri good english I am

[quiet depot]

for bigger plugins, you sign a contract

[hot hull]

Hard signing a contract if the commissioner is 12 years old

[quiet depot]

12 year olds don't commission big plugins

[foggy pond]

How will a contract prevent them from blocking you and ghosting you

[quiet depot]

it won't, it'll prevent them from not paying you

[hot hull]

^

[foggy pond]

But how though 😂 it's not a contract bound to the law

[quiet depot]

that's exactly what it is?

[hot hull]

kek

[foggy pond]

They could literally just block and ghost you and they will be gone

[quiet depot]

get them to sign a real contract

[foggy pond]

What if they do that, are you supposed to tell the police or something?

[hot hull]

If you signed the contract, and it's been broken you're allowed to take legal actions

[foggy pond]

Like

[quiet depot]

ianal

[lunar cypress]

agreeing on something is already a contract

[quiet depot]

I guess you sue them or something?

[foggy pond]

I don't see the law taking a minecraft contract seriously tbh

It should be taken seriously in cases like this

But I don't see it being taken seriously

[hot hull]

How not..

Money is money

[quiet depot]

it's a job contract, signed by 2 serious parties, of course it'll be taken seriously

[foggy pond]

What should the contract look like then?

[quiet depot]

ianal

ask gian lol

[hot hull]

You're making let's say a 500$ plugin, ofc you'd sign a contract, and if the commissioner breaks it, you're allowed to sue

[foggy pond]

I don't think a contract is worth it for a 30$ plugin though 😂

[hot hull]

In most cases you'd win, unless the contract was shite

[quiet depot]

well a $30 plugin isn't really a "big" plugin is it?

[foggy pond]

But can't the guy say "THAT IS NOT MY SIGNATURE IT'S FAKE"

And say the conversations are fake

And ez

[lunar cypress]

Well you'd hope you'd get off discord for such a project

[quiet depot]

klyser, remove the concept of this being done over the internet

would you sign a fake signature in real life?

on a serious contract*

[foggy pond]

obviously not, but over the internet it's a lot easier to do stuff like that

And say stuff like that

[quiet depot]

no one doing a "big plugin" is stupid enough to put false information on a legal document

[foggy pond]

Of course not

But the client could say that the developer did that

And that it's all fake

[quiet depot]

the developer could prove otherwise

[foggy pond]

But the proof could be constructed as well

[hot hull]

Again, if you're making a larger plugin you aren't usually talking to a kid, they're mostly mature enough

[lunar cypress]

That's not how legal stuff works

If everything speaks against you, you won't win a lawsuit

[foggy pond]

I don't know how most legal stuff works, I just got out of high school ples 😂 that's why I'm asking about so many hypothetical situations

[lunar cypress]

Yeah but that's why courts exist

To decide who's right

Spoiler alert "I didn't do it and all of the evidence is fake" is not a good defence

[foggy pond]

Fair enough

[lunar cypress]

It's not a good idea to do such a thing

[quiet depot]

and to answer your questions of proof, it can always be tracked back

discord would be contacted, to prove joe was using 0.0.0.0 at this time

if they were using a vpn, vpn company is contacted

[foggy pond]

Okay let's say that you win in court

And you sue the guy

[quiet depot]

if there's a privacy policy, well they'll figure it out I guess

[foggy pond]

What happens next

[quiet depot]

guy pays money

you get money

[foggy pond]

Will he have to pay you a sum of money or what

[lunar cypress]

Most likely

[foggy pond]

How much is that money tho, is it decided based on the contract or

[hot hull]

btw, it's usually much more than the base amount

[lunar cypress]

Depends on what he did and what the subject is specifically

[hot hull]

Which is why you wouldn't wanna be in this situation

[foggy pond]

And I bet that the guy won't get the plugin either

lol

[hot hull]

We'll depends

Well*

[foggy pond]

How did you all become experts in law

[lunar cypress]

we are not

I assume

[quiet depot]

when I say IANAL, I speak for the entire server

[foggy pond]

I have no idea what IANAL is

[lunar cypress]

but this is basic stuff

[hot hull]

You what now

[quiet depot]

i am not a lawyer

[foggy pond]

IANAL doesnt sound safe for work

[quiet depot]

any legal advice given in this server should be taken with a grain of salt

speak to a professional if you want real answers

[lunar cypress]

yeah if it's important talk to a lawyer lol

[obtuse gale]

My PC's dying lol im running 3 bungee servers + bungee + 2 MC clients

i hate making things relating to bungee

[rotund egret]

Velocity 👌

[obtuse gale]

👌

letss gooo https://i.imgur.com/2oyVQRe.png havnet even booted the second mc client

@foggy pond an average doesn't actually use 1.8 as main version

[foggy pond]

Oh

Welp I had deleted the message here

If it were for me I would only develop it for 1.13, 1.14 and 1.15

But I know that if I have it for 1.8-1.12 it will also be used more

[rotund egret]

Chose your own limits

I refuse to develop for anything not 1.12+ personally

[foggy pond]

So if I develop for 1.13, 1.14, 1.15 I should use the 1.13 API

Since spigot is forward compatible

[hot hull]

yes

[steel solstice]

Does someone has an Idea of how to detect if two rectangles are adjacent?
Because I'm trying to do that for 1 or 2 hours now and the best solution I found was this one:

    public boolean[] getBorderStates(Room room, double tolerance) {
        Rectangle2D rect1 = room.getRectangle();
        Rectangle2D rect2 = getRectangle();
        
        double leftX1 = rect1.getMinX();
        double leftX2 = rect2.getMinX();
        double rightX1 = rect1.getMaxX();
        double rightX2 = rect2.getMaxX();
        
        double bottomY1 = rect1.getMinY();
        double bottomY2 = rect2.getMinY();
        double upY1 = rect1.getMaxY();
        double upY2 = rect2.getMaxY();
        
        boolean[] states = new boolean[4];
        
        states[0] = !(Math.abs(rightX1 - leftX2) > tolerance);
        states[1] = !(Math.abs(bottomY2 - upY1) > tolerance);
        states[2] = !(Math.abs(rightX2 - leftX1) > tolerance);
        states[3] = !(Math.abs(bottomY1 - upY2) > tolerance);

        return states;
    }

But it's not good enough to detect every adjacent rectangle around it.
Here also two images that shows the drawn lines of which rectangle is adjacent to another one.

https://ypict.de/img/upload/fzLUG3CuyHEHIZVK.PNG

https://ypict.de/img/upload/DDoxMIgFLfrIbkuG.PNG

btw, it draws a line if one of the states is true

[obtuse gale]

is anyone discord bot dev? need help with sth

please ping

[prisma wave]

just ask

also

[remote goblet]

also #development

[prisma wave]

yes

this isn't for support

[steel solstice]

So I also asked in the wrong channel?

[remote goblet]

nods

[topaz bay]

@lunar cypress What do you think the point of it is then?

The move to be more declarative is almost entirely backed by introducing a more logical and graceful application flow to the language

[lunar cypress]

Forcing you to be aware of optionality

[topaz bay]

Anyone who uses Java knows that everything is always nullable

[lunar cypress]

I don't think the semantics really change through optional on any other level

[topaz bay]

Thats just the nature of Java and its shitty type system

[lunar cypress]

Because you still do the same stuff: if you have a fall back value, you use the fall back value, if you throw, you throw. But this time you're forced to do something, not just ignore it

[topaz bay]

@lunar cypress I mean not really?

Theres nothing that stops a developer from just calling get

[lunar cypress]

Get was a mistake

[topaz bay]

Java was a mistake

lol

[lunar cypress]

But still you have to explicitely call it

[topaz bay]

Thats no different from just accessing the value

[lunar cypress]

And also if someone returns null as an optional that is clearly a violation of the implied contract

Thats no different from just accessing the value
@topaz bay well i disagree in principle. Again get should not exist, they admit that themselves, but it does not redefine the option type

[topaz bay]

The only difference between accessing the raw value and calling get is a trade of exception types

There may be a semantics difference, but real world there is no actual difference

And wait what?

And also if someone returns null as an optional that is clearly a violation of the implied contract

How is that a violation?

Oh wait, nvm, you meant in place of an optional

[lunar cypress]

Yeah

[topaz bay]

I thought you were saying inside of an optional

I almost had to stab you

[lunar cypress]

Nah :P

Although is that even possible?

[topaz bay]

yes

ofNullable

which pisses me off tbh

[lunar cypress]

But that returns an empty one for null

[topaz bay]

Yeah, it returns the single instance of empty, but the value held inside is still just null

[lunar cypress]

well yeah that might be true but that's implementation detail that doesn't really affect anything

Unless you do reflective access or some shit

at which point you've been far from what you're supposed to do for a long time already

[topaz bay]

I mean... does that have anything to do with the conversation?

xD

[lunar cypress]

no, my contract comment was just refering to this message

Anyone who uses Java knows that everything is always nullable

I mean yeah the java type system is pretty broken

surprise

[topaz bay]

I meeeaaannnn

I wouldnt say broken

More like naive

And then worsened over time with shitty additions

[lunar cypress]

otoh, it's an interesting thought whether optionality should be part of the type system in the first place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5WdGrpoug

found that pretty interesting

[topaz bay]

ew

clojure

gotta go

[lunar cypress]

narrow minded

maybe you'd learn something new from that talk or get a new idea

I know I did

[topaz bay]

I... am not narrow minded...

I'm literally watching it

:/

[lunar cypress]

Fortunately for you, you don't really need to be into clojure to get the gist 😛

[topaz bay]

I mean... I'm just not a big fan of lisps

They make me want to die