dev-general

[half harness]

tempted

[brazen ether]

just scam someone

[half harness]

mmmmmmmm

[brazen ether]

it's as shrimple as that

🦐

[half harness]

oh

sorry barry

[brazen ether]

what did bro post

[half harness]

yelled at me twice 😭

[brazen ether]

revealed the cia's femboy stash

[half harness]

shhhhhhh

[brazen ether]

what the flip

that was like 4 words

5

THEY KEEP them IN JARS

[stark niche]

@brazen ether is this a mod or a plugin?
#showcase message

[brazen ether]

plugin

[stark niche]

Ooo okay then. I wanted to make the same thing for my minigame but thought that it will be "laggy" I guess you've made it using a velocity

[brazen ether]

nope

player can't walk on it if you just use "velocity"

[stark niche]

Hm i dont have any idea how did you did it then.

[brazen ether]

invisible shulkerboxes

but unless you feel like this feature is essential i'd just go without it

[stark niche]

Really? Omg I forgot about them its so genious

Ty

[brazen ether]

if u actually want to implement it then lmk

you need a bit of linear algebra to get it sorted

and a texture pack to make the shulkers properly invisible

not really possible without that

[stark niche]

Texture pack kinda ruins it because I dont want to include it but thank you anyway

[brazen ether]

yea i'd suggest jus ditching the idea

you could do it with velocity if you dont need people to be able to walk on it

[stark niche]

I wanted just change Y of velocity

[brazen ether]

might look a lil goofy

[stark niche]

I have no idea how to implement it in other way

[brazen ether]

public Matrix4f getMatrix() {
        Matrix4f leftMatrix = new Matrix4f();
        leftRotation.get(leftMatrix);
        Matrix4f rightMatrix = new Matrix4f();
        rightRotation.get(rightMatrix);
        matrix.identity();
        matrix = matrix.translate(translation).mul(rightMatrix).scale(scale).mul(leftMatrix);
        return matrix;
    }```
DisplayTransformation is just a wrapper for Transformation; refer to getMatrix function above
```java
vertices = new ArrayList<>();
        vertices.add(new Vector3d(0, 0, 0));
        vertices.add(new Vector3d(1, 0, 0));
        vertices.add(new Vector3d(1, 0, 1));
        vertices.add(new Vector3d(0, 0, 1));

        vertices.add(new Vector3d(0, 1, 0));
        vertices.add(new Vector3d(1, 1, 0));
        vertices.add(new Vector3d(1, 1, 1));
        vertices.add(new Vector3d(0, 1, 1));

        DisplayTransformation displayTransformation = new DisplayTransformation(transformation);
        Matrix4f finalMatrix = displayTransformation.getMatrix();
        vertices = vertices.stream().map(k -> finalMatrix.transform(new Vector4f((float) k.x, (float) k.y, (float) k.z, 1f))).map(k -> new Vector3d(origin.x + k.x, origin.y + k.y, origin.z + k.z)).toList();```

//paralleloepiped is defined by 4 points, X,A,B,C, with basis vectors XA, XB, XC
    //XP = u * XA + v * XB + w * XC
    //Px - Xx = u * (Ax - Xx) + v * (Bx - Xx) + w * (Cx - Xx)
    //Py - Xy = u * (Ay - Xy) + v * (By - Xy) + w * (Cy - Xy)
    //Pz - Xz = u * (Az - Xz) + v * (Bz - Xz) + w * (Cz - Xz)
    //use cramer's rule to find solutions
    public boolean isInside(Vector3d P) {
        Vector3d X = new Vector3d(vertices.get(0));
        Vector3d A = new Vector3d(vertices.get(1));
        Vector3d B = new Vector3d(vertices.get(3));
        Vector3d C = new Vector3d(vertices.get(4));

        double d = new Matrix3d(
                (A.x - X.x), (A.y - X.y), (A.z - X.z),
                (B.x - X.x), (B.y - X.y), (B.z - X.z),
                (C.x - X.x), (C.y - X.y), (C.z - X.z)).determinant();
        double u = new Matrix3d(
                (P.x - X.x), (P.y - X.y), (P.z - X.z),
                (B.x - X.x), (B.y - X.y), (B.z - X.z),
                (C.x - X.x), (C.y - X.y), (C.z - X.z)).determinant() / d;
        double w = new Matrix3d(
                (A.x - X.x), (A.y - X.y), (A.z - X.z),
                (P.x - X.x), (P.y - X.y), (P.z - X.z),
                (C.x - X.x), (C.y - X.y), (C.z - X.z)).determinant() / d;
        double v = new Matrix3d(
                (A.x - X.x), (A.y - X.y), (A.z - X.z),
                (B.x - X.x), (B.y - X.y), (B.z - X.z),
                (P.x - X.x), (P.y - X.y), (P.z - X.z)).determinant() / d;
        return (0 <= u && u <= 1 &&
                0 <= w && w <= 1 &&
                0 <= v && v <= 1);
    }```

@stark niche this is the only math you need for that then

[stark niche]

Holy

[brazen ether]

if you try to implement it you'll see that you need this eventually

[stark niche]

Thank you. I wonder can boats be invisible and instewd of shulkers use boats?

[brazen ether]

boats cant be made invisible

at all

[stark niche]

Sad

[brazen ether]

it is indeed

[brazen ether]

this is mostly accurate except on horizontal collisions, for those there is a 100% fix that i use but i'd recommend just testing midpoints between the top and bottom of the player instead

[modern lotus]

Can someone please help me. Is it possible to have two separate boolean values for two different placeholders?
I have a placeholder testing if pvp is enabled or not and it will return Enabled or Disabled, but I have another placeholder that checks for AFK, and I need it to return [AFK] or "" (blank)

[harsh ivy]

Hello! I am facing some error/issue with my Nlogin plugin while I use Database backups.

If anyone here knows a little about NLogin Premium, can you please help me out?

It's a big error.

[pastel imp]

Bro just admitted to being cracked lmao

[harsh ivy]

Sorry?

What's ur problem

I just asked help for NLogin Premium?

This rando keeps interfering every now and then bruhh

[half harness]

https://docs.nickuc.com/nlogin/premium

they have "Special Support" for premium

might want to ask there

[harsh ivy]

I already did.
The support is dead 😭

I'm still waiting for them to reply. But this Community got some exp. people so no harm in asking here

[sly sonnet]

Dont use cracked plugins

Hope you’ll understand, bud! 😉

[harsh ivy]

It's a premium plugin blud

Wish you had knowledge before spitting brother.

😉

[sly sonnet]

What is bro yapping about

[brazen ether]

"blud" blud using blud in 2024

https://tenor.com/view/black-nerd-black-nerd-gif-26919340

is this you

anime pfp, self proclaimed "cool"

[cerulean ibex]

cracked server bud

[cerulean ibex]

what a creative insult

[brazen ether]

thanks

i take lessons

[cerulean ibex]

i bet everyone loves u

[brazen ether]

they do

[cerulean ibex]

i could tell

[brazen ether]

my gf especially :3

she's amazing

[cerulean ibex]

not :3

[brazen ether]

he's cooking

[brazen ether]

i'm dissapointed

i was expecting more

you lack willpower

[cerulean ibex]

how is :3 even a face like what

[brazen ether]

put some backbone behind it

[brazen ether]

cats have that face

[cerulean ibex]

ur gfs a guy?

[cerulean ibex]

unlucky pal

[brazen ether]

you are

i meant that youre cooking up an insult

[cerulean ibex]

😭

i meant like

not the ":3"

[brazen ether]

do yk the name of this cat

[cerulean ibex]

cuz idl that

[brazen ether]

do you

do you know his name

do you wanna know it

say yes

SAY IT

[cerulean ibex]

y

e

--no

[brazen ether]

his name is

big boobs

not even joking

[cerulean ibex]

😭

[brazen ether]

https://tenor.com/view/boobs-cat-big-boobs-gif-25092046

[brazen ether]

didn't htink that one through huh buddy did you

didn't know i could pull through like that

checkmate buckaroo

Big Boobs.

heh.

[wide crypt]

tbh he isnt wrong. he means premium plugin.

[harsh ivy]

Seems like you. Similar to your face in ur pfp too.

[sly sonnet]

Blud uses cracked plugins and is yapping damn blud

[harsh ivy]

bro

are you dumb?

nlogin is a premium plugin

[sly sonnet]

You are using pirated software

[harsh ivy]

wth are you saying bro

[harsh ivy]

yea come on prove it

bro how can you be so dumb

[sly sonnet]

Your error says it

[harsh ivy]

bro

this is clearly proving ur dumb knowledge on minecraft

error does not relate to cracked plugin bro

it relates to cracked server.

💀

OMG

tf is ur brain bro

[rotund egret]

Yeah you said it

[harsh ivy]

ayo

sorry for reply ping

can you join any minecraft server?

some people are saying there are authentication issues

going on

with Mojang

[rotund egret]

True

[harsh ivy]

https://minecraftstatus.net/

[harsh ivy]

yea maybe thats why i cant join most of the servers

[rotund egret]

Ok

[harsh ivy]

alr

thanks

[sly sonnet]

Mans new in plugins

Doesnt know shit

[harsh ivy]

bro

istg

you really need a fix

[wintry plinth]

That font though

[harsh ivy]

ikr

[sly sonnet]

Randoms these days smh

[kindred sequoia]

That is a terrible font

[pastel imp]

which is used in cracked servers which promote piracy, which is not supported here to my knowledge.

[opaque willow]

How to disable player pushing in minecraft?

[wind patio]

by changing a config option, most likely, if you are using paper

ir maybe spigot has it, idk

[opaque willow]

spigot

but where in config

[static zealot]

I don't believe the option exists in spigot but in Paper you can use enable-player-collisions

that is an option added by paper in paper.yml config file

[brazen ether]

LMFAO

[harsh ivy]

xD

[harsh ivy]

Is deluxemenus only used in Premium Servers?

I don't think so. Also, majority of the AS servers are cracked. I think there's no big deal in it.
It was just a query I was stuck in. If someone knew, he/she would've answered bro.

Why dragging this small topic ?

[opaque willow]

what about bukkit?

[harsh ivy]

Yea thought the same xD

[opaque willow]

or spigot

[ocean quartz]

Why not use paper?

[opaque willow]

idk

[ocean quartz]

lol

[brazen ether]

use paper, it's better

[brazen ether]

this is #dev-general not #development , if you strictly want support then go there and you can at least make the argument that it's the wrong channel to insult/question you in

[opaque willow]

Idk if I can switch without any plugin issues.

[brazen ether]

you probably can

spigot shouldn't really be used for servers

paper is jus faster and better

[half harness]

#development is for coding

should ask in #general-plugins

[harsh ivy]

I asked the question cuz I thought someone would reply me and I will always.

General includes it I guess. I don't need clearance from you?

Kindly stay Outta this and lemme do my stuff. I got no time for ragers and touchmenot guys here.

[pastel imp]

reminds me of that one guy of analyiticus thingy

raymond?

don't recall his name

such a joke lol

[modern lotus]

Can someone please help me. Is it possible to have two separate boolean values for two different placeholders?

I have a placeholder testing if pvp is enabled or not and it will return Enabled or Disabled, but I have another placeholder that checks for AFK, and I need it to return [AFK] or "" (blank)

[potent nest]

more like psvm

[cold prawn]

how many modern java projects actually have that tho

i feel like barely anyone writes vanilla anything anymore

[brazen ether]

are you slow?

it was genuine advice

"touchmenot" guys what?

[cold prawn]

I have a plugin which on restart or overall serversided disconnect, throws u into a lobby, and was wondering if there is a plugin out there for velocity which puts you back once the server comes back, if not was considering making that

[ocean quartz]

Wdym?

[cold prawn]

as in vanilla languages, without frameworks or big libraries

[brazen ether]

i mean they do

[ocean quartz]

I mean even using frameworks and libraries your application still needs a main

[static zealot]

aren't the args optional on modern versions?

[wind patio]

java 21

oh nvm its about the args

I thought you meant void main()

[distant sun]

Ye @static zealot and is just void main

[harsh ivy]

Seemed an angry taunt. Nvm misinterpretation.

Alr alr

[distant sun]

Or well, can be

[crude cloud]

technically 🤓 it depends on the java launcher

funnily enough despite javafx not being part of the jdk anymore, if your main class extends javafx's Application class, it'll start the jfx platform for your class

even if it has a psvm, it won't invoke it

[steep lark]

Hey guys, I am a server owner and I keep having problems, is there anyone who would like to be my dev? Dm me if you can

It’s a velocity server

[brazen ether]

#1257956027026903050 #1257956028063027243

or read through the #1257956030315495496

[half harness]

or ask in #general-plugins or #1007620980627230730

lots of options 🥲

or #minecraft

[brazen ether]

actually I think you should ask your questions in #showcase

make sure to reply to the people there and completely ignore all the rules

[drifting aspen]

more like:
public static void main (String args[])

[tranquil crane]

imagine not using public static void main(String... args) varargs supremacy

[steep lark]

Anyone able to help with me not being able to join my server? It says online on console but it’s offline when I join and use a server pinger

[cold prawn]

console logs?

probably a closed port

[cold prawn]

Is there a plugin or something in general premade to pull data from a mc server via http?

[steep lark]

How do I fix a closed port?

[cold prawn]

selfhosting?

[steep lark]

I’m not gonna self host tho…

[cinder flare]

what kind of data? using like any http request library or even just Java HTTPClient should be pretty easy

i use OkHttp for my stuff and it's fine

[wintry plinth]

What type of data do you need to pull Wuzzy?

[half harness]

analyse? :D

[oblique heath]

analyse more like
analice 🦗

[cold prawn]

Just the basics most likely, player lists etc player stats and so on, maybe something cooler, just hoping someone has made a plugin like that so i can avoid building another maintaince needer :)

[cold prawn]

Yea i know but hoping i dont have to build it myself

oh u mean pulling from java, but no not what i need

i need a way to server data from spigot via http

[cold prawn]

looks like they have pretty limited endpoints unless im missing something, not really a fan of tebex, wanna keep everything selfhosted

[wintry plinth]

Hehe, the new Analyse v1 will be a LOT better than the current version.

[half harness]

v1? 🤨

[half harness]

oh tbf I never actually used it (also I think it's no longer part of tebex anymore, although idk how it works now)

I just heard it mentioned here a bunch lol

[cinder flare]

oh you can embed Javalin really easily in spigot/paper

they even have an article on it

https://javalin.io/tutorials/javalin-and-minecraft-servers

[cold prawn]

Still not what im asking :D im asking if something like that exists already, but will look into it if i will have to do it myself

[wintry plinth]

I’m rebuilding the entire platform from the ground up, better stats, better APIs, separate from Tebex etc

[cinder flare]

i'm still not sure what you're asking lol

[wintry plinth]

I get that, I’m currently rebuilding it, so I’m open ears to the endpoints you may need.

[cinder flare]

like you want placeholder-style serving over http from your backend servers?

[cold prawn]

im asking for a premade resource that serves data from spigot via http, aka a plugin that just provides endpoints

[cinder flare]

what data

[cold prawn]

other way

like me be able to fetch players from the servers and thier data and so on

stats etc

[cinder flare]

so like world file data?

[cold prawn]

Yea sure, just wanna make some website features for getting player data etc

[cold prawn]

assuming eta = a while?

[wintry plinth]

Yeah may be a few months away

[wintry plinth]

Haha I’ve built something private for a mc server of mine, to show like the top blocks mined and such on the website

[half harness]

wait charlie aren't you working on something else (although not public) as well

or am i misremembering

[cinder flare]

yeah i'm not super aware of something like that, but it would be pretty trivial to make a little http server with javalin that just does that

[wintry plinth]

Analyse, PlayMC

[half harness]

oh

[wintry plinth]

https://play.mc this

Will release it at the weekend finally 😂

[half harness]

this weekend?

[wintry plinth]

Yes

[half harness]

ooooooo

[cinder flare]

or like, you could probably leverage a prometheus exporter setup and get the data from that

abuse metrics a little bit

[wintry plinth]

Server is ready, just got the website profile stats to finish off 💪

[cold prawn]

will look into that, thanks

[cinder flare]

yeah here's what my Grafana looks like for my server network

[cold prawn]

big server wowie

okay will look into it

[wind patio]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/rest-placeholderapi.90266/

[wind patio]

😎

[cold prawn]

Looks promising thank you

[cold prawn]

Like the generics, player stats some common plugin implementations, balances etc, for me I'd just be happy if there's a decent APi to maybe add endpoints, don't know if that's too much to ask for

[slate elk]

Online convertor to convert sql queries to sqlite ?

I got about 400 different sql queries i got to rewrite to sqlite

[wind patio]

by hand

[slate elk]

No no Its headache

There for sure some sort of translator

[distant sun]

Yourself

[slate elk]

I need to convert the syntax no way there no convertor

I got Like 400 lines to do i will go crazy

[crude cloud]

i mean

from what dialect to sqlite?

[slate elk]

MySql

To sqlite3

Or there any flatfile database that use same syntax as mysql

[slate elk]

It converts a database

Its easy to do

[crude cloud]

it converts a mysql dump

mysql dump is quite literally just a sequence of queries

[slate elk]

Ill try 🙏

Imma look for what the file is

I need to create one

Sińce my garbage is in Java

[oblique heath]

chatgpt

[slate elk]

i have tried with 2 commands

chatgpt does syntax errors and gibrish

[oblique heath]

i dont believe you

4o?

making syntax errors? how complex is the command

and how many mysql specific features are you making use of

[cold prawn]

i do believe

maybe 1 by 1 it could do, but even if u batch like 30 i feel like it would eat shit

[oblique heath]

oh well yeah you should not be trying multiple at once

just ask once per query

[slate elk]

so there no point doing it

[oblique heath]

how do you figure

[slate elk]

i can rewrite by hand but its too much

[oblique heath]

you can just automate sending the queries to gpt

[slate elk]

i dont have api for that ill just start re writing queries by hand

[oblique heath]

get some random python library and for each the queries to gpt

[slate elk]

gpt has api its not hard to use u dont need libary u do request and it returns u a string[] backwards if i remember correcttly

[oblique heath]

yes

[slate elk]

i did some chat bot project 2 years ago for an company that used chat gpt api

u each time send the entire chat history to tha shit

[oblique heath]

if you want to interface with the gpt api directly you are free to do so

i think its a hassle for simple stuff like this

[slate elk]

nah there too much tables and shit

and around 400 queries

[oblique heath]

are you sending the tables as part of the query

[slate elk]

nah creating table is the same

[oblique heath]

right but you should be sending it for context

so the model knows what the tables look like

[cold prawn]

hot citizens wowie

[slate elk]

gonna test tnow

that line

java.sql.SQLException: [SQLITE_ERROR] SQL error or missing database (near ",": syntax error)

nice

l... so what do u think about chatgpt?

[slate elk]

dogshit chatgpt

[cold prawn]

just do the work at this point :)

[slate elk]

ig yeah

[brazen ether]

<100ms mesh generation for 15x15x15 block entity with 0.5 block resolution

we be working

[flint crow]

looking good

[brazen ether]

ong ts is surprisingly performant

even on my shitty overheated mac

fully async too

[slate elk]

Finished it

Fuck chatGPT

[wind patio]

no ty

[ocean quartz]

A chance to be part of innovative projects in the blockchain
😬

[devout hatch]

is this even the channel for spam

[ocean quartz]

Not really, there is not channel for spam, not even sure if that message would even fit for any of the request channels either lol

[cinder flare]

i swear we made this channel require Tier 2 to even post in for this exact reason

[quiet depot]

@feral echo this isn't the place for that

[devout hatch]

guess it isn't coming together as i am tier 1 lol

[half harness]

its restricted to tier 1+ 🥲

[half harness]

#off-topic message
why does this look so fishy lol

lol

yeah

hmmmmm
link redirects to a 160 member "TICKET TOOL" discord server

ig ill report this to barry

[agile galleon]

Lmao

That's so desperate

[half harness]

so far no actual scam or anything tho

:(

[vital plaza]

Hello chat , I am trying to code a plugin for land claiming . for the selection visualisation part I wanted to use blocks (eg. block of diamond) .
I was wondering if its possible to make them appear client side so that not every one can see the temporary block change and make them not mineable.

I am sorry if I am not using the right channel for questions like these. Thank you very much for who ever is willing to point me to the right direction.

[oblique heath]

it's possible but you'll have to use packets

[half harness]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/bukkit/org/bukkit/entity/Player.html#sendBlockChange(org.bukkit.Location,org.bukkit.block.data.BlockData)

[oblique heath]

yooo whatt\

thats crazy

[half harness]

:)))))))))

[vital plaza]

Thank you so much all !

🙏

[terse elbow]

modify bytecode directly

[brazen ether]

what

[rotund egret]

True!!!

[oblique heath]

indubitably

[remote goblet]

https://github-roast.pages.dev/

im about to delete my whole profile

[cold prawn]

why is it so good

ai gotten wild

[agile galleon]

I'm gonna delete my socials

[steel heart]

lol

[stark niche]

is this possible without protocollib to set a listener (or some kind of workaround) when a player starts "seeing" a player? By "seeing" I mean when a player loads for other player if he was unloaded (usually happens when a player loads a chunk and there was a player already)

[crude cloud]

Paper has PlayerTrack/UntrackEntityEvent

but also maybe consider using Player#hideEntity if you want to control this better ?

[brazen ether]

you could also just read outgoing packets, for future reference

[static zealot]

Just a random reminder: #dev-general message

[agile galleon]

what the fuck

[brazen ether]

I'm telling a trusted adult.

[cold prawn]

thank you

[safe crescent]

british people are unmatched in computer science fr

we literally invented the world wide web

alan turing was doing ai before it was cool

first programmer ever, british

we are so based

[faint fractal]

Can someone help me? my server api just stopped working with some features eg top kills, mining, playtime. anyone got a fix?>

[distant sun]

Welp

[tranquil crane]

I think you're in restoring a backup territory

[static zealot]

Is BStats down for everyone else?

[lavish notch]

It's up for me - the webpage at least.

[static zealot]

Nevermind. I went to https://bstats.org not https://www.bstats.org

[lavish notch]

Both work for me lmfao.

[static zealot]

That's weird. I also thought https://bstats.org/ should work as I've used it before but it doesn't seem to work for me.

[past eagle]

Anyone know what I should directly look into with ProtocolLib to make NPCs (through Citizens) only visible for certain players and invisible for everyone else? Any response is appreciated :')

[safe crescent]

Band kid ass humour

[distant sun]

@ocean quartz how do I use the first method in kotlin? D:
Class.get(entity) { nbt -> nbt.getSomething() } calls the second method, but I need the first one for the result

[crude cloud]

Class.get(entity) Function { ... }
Class.get(entity) Consumer { ... }

idk if you can put that outside of the parenths, but you can definitely do it inside

[ocean quartz]

Class.get<T>(entity) { nbt -> }

[crude cloud]

or that

smart

[potent nest]

or you store the lambda in a variable before with an explicit type

(or you just don't use kotlin)

[brazen ether]

remove them for everyone else and block the packets related to the npcs

[distant sun]

ahhhhhhhhh

thanks

[ocean quartz]

Emily's solution also works, but it has to be inside the parenthesis Class.get(entity, Function { nbt -> })

[distant sun]

interesting

[wintry plinth]

If I want to get the players primary rank, would I just use the vault api? I'm running LP, but not sure if vault just returns it

[sly sonnet]

lp api mby (https://luckperms.net/wiki/Configuration#primary-group-calculation)

[wintry plinth]

ahh thanks, wasnt sure whether to use vault or lp api, just went with lp

[oblique heath]

https://ivansthings.work/xmr

[half harness]

how does the signature work

what stops me from making my own message and just using your pgp signature?

since its just a txt file

[prisma wave]

thats the point

it's like an encryption key

so once you've used the signature you can only decrypt the message with the corresponding private key

[oblique heath]

yeah the pgp signature is unique to the message being signed

if you try to change the message, the signature will no longer be valid and anyone who has my public pgp key will be able to tell

[agile galleon]

you can't sign a message with a public GPG key, the sender has a private key that can only be validated with the public one

[crude cloud]

smh dkim

[half harness]

ohhh

lol

[faint fractal]

Someone help please
i am getting this error - [05:32:32 INFO]: [PlaceholderAPI] Fetching available expansion information...
[05:32:33 WARN]: [PlaceholderAPI] Cannot load expansion playertime due to a missing plugin: PlayerTime
[05:32:33 INFO]: [PlaceholderAPI] Successfully registered external expansion: statistic [2.0.1]
[05:32:33 WARN]: [PlaceholderAPI] Cannot load expansion playerstats due to a missing plugin: PlayerStats
[05:32:33 WARN]: [PlaceholderAPI] Cannot load expansion playerstats due to a missing plugin: PlayerStats
i have tried to manuly install the ecloud placeholder. it seems not to update please status and playtime

[half harness]

download the 2 plugins and restart

also note that you should ask in #placeholder-api

[craggy forge]

how do i merge model engine resource pack with oraxen

[prisma wave]

That’s cool dude

[crude cloud]

Free Balls 👉 balls.com

[distant sun]

Banned

[crude cloud]

rude

[brazen ether]

realized recently I need to write a proper entity system for my Minecraft server (like proper game engine style) and damn ts complicated

why am I even bothering with paper atp :Kek: should jus go with Minestorm

[wind patio]

give emily admin

[rotund egret]

Probably use sponge

Superior api fr

[brazen ether]

haven't tried it

[rotund egret]

The api is super based

[brazen ether]

doesn't it still include the vanilla stuff

server side fabric modding makes more sense if anything

[rotund egret]

Wym vanilla stuff

Also you're practically (literally) doing server-side modding fwiw.

[brazen ether]

the reason I mentioned Minestorm is because I was wondering whether it was actually even useful to have the vanilla Minecraft server as a base

I meant like whether it would be useful for me to literally just ditch Mojang entirely in that way

[brazen ether]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK8KmTDtX8E&ab_channel=DecodingIntuition

very cool video imo

[half harness]

isn't DP basically just caching results to be used in future calculations

or at least the basics of it

sounds scarier than it is

or I guess that's the point of the video lol (at least based off the title)

[brazen ether]

i just like the leetcode thought process shown in the vid

[brazen ether]

jus made an algorithm literally 58% better

life is good

[brazen ether]

how many of you guys actually ever have a "Utils" class

do you consider them okay for small projects?

i have my own strong opinions abt this but i'm interested in what others think

[remote goblet]

i think its fine

when its used for its designated purpose; having standalone methods that'll be used a lot throughout the project

I use this method a lot but it wont anywhere else in the project logically

[cerulean ibex]

idk but btw guava has that

[lucid falcon]

mb

wrong thing

[rotund egret]

Most things are best described, so like in a perfect environment you wouldn't have one.

But we must also admit our projects aren't perfect and they'd be annoying if they to meet that mark.

We don't necessarily need a separate class and package structure for 1 static method, but it's more of a "future-proof" which sometimes means redundancy in the short term.

So we can reduce these redundancies and make a utils class and perform migrations later if categorically it fits somewhere else. Or simply never move them because the project doesn't grow to necessitate it.

If i have to dig trough like 30 classes in your utils though you're just bad at categorizing

[cinder flare]

kotlin extension methods, bam

my utility functions are just part of the class lmao

[rotund egret]

I think extension methods run the same issue just in a different way

Don't get me wrong though. I abuse the fuck out of em

[sweet cipher]

This message would be deleted in their server

[rotund egret]

Really says a lot about society

[wind patio]

we live in it

[rotund egret]

Maybe you do, but not me. I'm a free-spirit, on my own path.
Shits myself

[pastel imp]

Doubt

[potent nest]

what

[sweet cipher]

Go in their server and say Minestorm

[potent nest]

you'll hopefully get banned for writing minestorm instead of minestom, but what else do you expect to happen?

[sweet cipher]

I expected it but Mr. Afonso doubted me

[pastel imp]

Hell not gonna risk my donator role xd

But 1s

511

And from what I checked, none banned

[sweet cipher]

That's a completely different word

Also I'm talking about the Minestom server not the paper one

[pastel imp]

Oh what, so saying minestom in their server?

[sweet cipher]

No

[sweet cipher]

Look at what was said here

[half harness]

ohh I get it

I think

:)

I love minestorm

[brazen ether]

what 😭?

also my autocorrect doesn't like me saying minestom

[warped shoal]

where is support?

[half harness]

for?

[warped shoal]

i dont need help

thanks

I managed to solve my problem

[wind patio]

Cool

[warped shoal]

How do I make an item glow?(in menu)

[brazen ether]

you cant make it "glow"

make a texture pack that changes the item texture to a version that glows

[warped shoal]

and enchantments?

[brazen ether]

what about them

I wouldn't call the enchanted effect a "glow"

[warped shoal]

ok

thanks

[brazen ether]

if you want to make an item look enchanted there's plenty of info online Abt that

[brazen ether]

wrong channel

#general-plugins or #1007620980627230730 I think?

[warped shoal]

ah sorry

[warped shoal]

sure

[tropic whale]

i need mcc skybattle plugin with resource packs

[remote goblet]

#1257956028063027243

[ocean quartz]

Don't we all

[tawny crest]

Hey guys, can you spam my DMs with minecraft plugin ideas? I kinda have to get a lot of hours coding in

[wind patio]

nah

[oblique heath]

minecraft sex

[tawny crest]

why are you the third person to say this

[oblique heath]

clearly there is demand for it

[tawny crest]

lmaoo

[wind patio]

minecraft sex

[steep lark]

On my tebex store it says “Webstore Hidden Customers cannot purchase packages on your webstore because it is currently hidden.” But the customer support says the wait time for support is 24-48 hours, can anyone help me? I don’t really know what to do about it

[tacit briar]

Essentials vs CMI? Which one is the best?

[oblique star]

zEssentials =)

[pastel imp]

None

[grim umbra]

depends on what u need 😭

[wind patio]

I really want to move away from essentialsX

but cba to re-do 70% of permissions

[wind patio]

💀

[oblique star]

=)

open source tho

[sly sonnet]

[pastel imp]

Just compile it, ez

[steep lark]

Both

[oblique star]

and then pay the $$$ to support the dev =)

• who pinged me

[dry harbor]

I’ve used both for a bit now.

EssentialsX has better short form commands, more sensical aliases, easier usage, and I think mini message support now

CMI does more, has a lot of helpful niche features, and covers more ground than EssX

Overall, I prefer EssentialsX, but since my server has a lot of small things that CMI has that EssX does not, I prefer using it to have to download like 10 single-purpose plugins to accomplish what I need

EssX being free also helps a lot. I’d say EssX is perfect for most servers generally

Biggest issue with these Essential type plugins is they try to step into features that they just.. don’t perform as well with as other plugins do. It’s great to have an all in one, but there is so many plugins that handle features that are more worth it

Examples being TAB being the ultimate plugin for scoreboards, tabs, boss bars, etc, I couldn’t imagine using anything else.

LiteBans being an excellent punishment plugin having a lot of great functionality and web panel

You’ll always have byproducts you don’t particularly need with these “Essential” plugins, but yeah, ranting 😵‍💫

[rotund egret]

Idk why you'd expect a kitchen sink plugin to be good at all of its features -- it's to cover the essentials, not everything.

So its not an "issue" of the plugin. Its a specific design choice to balance between having features everyone uses, and not overwhelming users with features/configuration.

The balance is off sometimes, but the point is that it isn't an issue that essentials isn't "fully featured" for its features.

[dry harbor]

I wasn’t meaning to call it an issue

That’s why at the end I said byproduct

I don’t expect essential plugins to be like the best plugins mashed into one, I just wanted to let the person know, but I realized it was a rant at the end xD

But regardless you are definitely right

[crude cloud]

beezooka and kittycannon are absolutely vital and essential for my server to operate

[pastel imp]

This is why I am making my own essentials plugin, which actually only contains what is needed and its not going to try to replace other plugins like TAB, etc.

[wind patio]

I kinda like the idea of a "modular" plugin, kinda what essentials does with their Chat, Spawn, Discord, AntiBuild, Protect.

so not everything is cramped into a single plugin like CMI

[pastel imp]

Yeah modular is also very nice cocncept

Was looking into it too

[crude cloud]

I mean, at that point you're just splitting it into separate plugins for each feature lol

[wind patio]

I suppose so, I was thinking about having like a main plugin, where you have like a modules.yml, where you can toggle things, well, let's say, TAB module, and it'd automatically download it

tho the automatic download is probably not something everybody want, since it kinda creates a vulnerability problem lol

[distant sun]

Ye no automated downloads

[pastel imp]

That is how I was looking into doing it yeah

Well besides automatic download

It would just be able to fully enable the module or not

But it all is bundled in the same plugin which at the end, doesnt change much

[wind patio]

or, you'd need to download the modules externally and add it to "modules" dir, for ex.

which would be loaded by the main plugin, so you wouldn't have additional plugins like essentials does

[pastel imp]

YES, was looking into that, but that sounds like hell to code

[wind patio]

well, I kinda had a working prototype

#development message

5 months ago lol

basically each module uses an interface which exposes the commands and listeners, which get registered/unregistered by the main plugin via /module load/unload somemodule

[wind patio]

I was just using reflection and classloading, wasnt that difficult

tho there were some interesting issues

[crude cloud]

ServiceLoader

[half harness]

I mean PAPI can do it

with its expansions

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pastel imp]

yeah got told to use this 2x now

[crude cloud]

yeah but papi is ☠️💀 ⚰️👻

leaking classloader

luckperms does it slightly better

[half harness]

oh lol

[distant sun]

java service loader or spigot's?

[steel heart]

java’s probably 🌚

[crude cloud]

java yeah

[distant sun]

And how do you properly load the classes of a jar without leaking the classloader?

[crude cloud]

by keeping a reference to the classloader and closing it when it needs closing

[dry harbor]

Honestly it’s the same thing different method

Imo

[rotund egret]

Nucleus did this concept well, so you could disable sections and they wouldn't even load.

But this doesn't detract from the motives of an essentials plugin.

[dry harbor]

CMI definitely does cramp harder in general though

Even though the configuration is separated into separate files it actually makes it harder lol

[crude cloud]

my understanding is that cmi adds more and more useless features because the author can't be bothered to fix the metric ton of bugs it has

I can't attest for that myself but it's what I've seen several people mention time and time again

[cedar estuary]

Which code can I use to edit the EssentialsX sound effects?

on the developer version uses sound: but on the stable version isn't using the same command.

[dry harbor]

Honestly they might be right they might be wrong

It honestly doesn’t seem as bad as people make it sound

CMI has no noticeable problems imo

[brazen ether]

writing the sort of code where if i write it wrong, it doesn't break and explode in my face but instead just causes performance issues with no easily detectable errors!

[rotund egret]

Simply write good code then

Praying for you

[brazen ether]

for (int z1 = 0; z1 < size; z1++) {
                            int index2 = index + (z1 * width) + size;
                            long rawColumn2 = rawCubes[index2];
                            if (rawColumn2 == 0) break check;
                            int h2 = Long.numberOfTrailingZeros(~(rawColumn2 >> y));
                            if (h2 <= size) break check; //wasting this testing, can't get bigger
                            h = Math.min(h, h2);
                            //count useful size
                            long culledColumn2 = culledCubes[index2];
                            usefulMask |= (((culledColumn2 >> y) & 1) << size);
                            for (int i3 = 1; i3 <= size && ((usefulMask >> size) & 1) == 0; i3++) {
                                usefulMask |= ((((culledColumn2 >> y) >> i3) & 1) << size);
                            }

                            usefulMask |= ((culledColumn2 >> (y + size)) << size);
                        }``` im struggling

there is an error in this code. i know this because the mesh it generates is imperfect. it is simply a battle of wits between me and these lines

[brazen ether]

actually the error was somewhere else damn

[brazen ether]

and my computer is too shit to measure performance

life

[potent nest]

how can a computer be too shit to measure performance

[brazen ether]

the runtime of the same algorithm varies by an order of magnitude

not an exaggeration

[potent nest]

lol

[dapper loom]

[16:22:31 INFO]: phatto lost connection: Internal Exception: io.netty.handler.codec.DecoderException: java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: Index 64 out of bounds for length 3
how do i fix this?

[dapper loom]

@half harness

[half harness]

idk

[brazen ether]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYo3p4R66N8&ab_channel=Java

[oblique heath]

simd programming more like

simp programming

[crude cloud]

more like

p
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a
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[tacit briar]

Guys which essential is good? I want to use SunLight do you have any bad experiance with that? And what is your suggestion about essentials?

[potent nest]

more like "your code is too complex so you end up with a lot of allocations instead of highly optimized simd code"

[kind wing]

,

[oblique star]

i like zEssentials personally, i like how sunlight is modular but its main issue is tab completition, if u disable tab completition for X command, that command wont work even if its from another plugin.

[pastel imp]

I want a plugin that is paper only fr

Fk spigot

[cold prawn]

why care

[pastel imp]

Why not?

If the developer supports spigot, big red flag

[rotund egret]

Wanting it to be a paper plugin, and wanting the developer to exclusively support paper are two very different things.

And one makes you goofy

[cold prawn]

i would argue 90% of plugins dont really have a real use for papers api's features

but i could be wrong

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crude cloud]

big disagree, several times per day I see someone on the spigot discord asking for help with xyz and I'm there thinking "a certain downstream fork has a method/api for that", and their only option is to use nms because that's their choice

[pastel imp]

Highly disagree, emily said it all, + paper only "forces" people to move to the better software (paper), has better dependency systems with paper plugins, bootstrap, loaders, etc.

[pastel imp]

ALSO, just using paper, even if you don't use any of it's apis is already a green flag.

ngl, quite biased but I trust devs that do paper only plugins more than spigot ones

Not 100% sure why but yeah

that's just my mind

[forest pecan]

I use spigot api and I long for the day where I can switch because many server owners make the transition

I honestly don’t know why I still use it

[cold prawn]

Yea fair point, didint think of that perspective because i feel like most plugins have largely state management problems rather than a lot of interfacing with mc

[cold prawn]

Anyone runs plain spigot servers?

[forest pecan]

Paper API has support for many features that streamline development. They actually like fix things and improve the already lacking API that’s backed by some shit code

[pastel imp]

be smart and make the move. Devs that keep supporting spigot are the reason users don't move. Or at least, a factor of it.

[pastel imp]

depends on how you ask

on latest versions? Hell nha, over 95% are on paper or its forks

lower versions have more spigot usage

In general, across all versions, spigot holds around 21% stake

[brazen ether]

spigot is just slow isn't it

[pastel imp]

While paper alone has like 75% (all versions)

[brazen ether]

my spigot server took 6x as long to start as my paper

personal machine but

[pastel imp]

fr 💀

[brazen ether]

still

[pastel imp]

yeah

just the fact paper isn't ran by md_5 is already a huge win

[crude cloud]

with some recent changes it can literally take several minutes to start up if you have any "big" plugin, lol

[brazen ether]

damn

that's ridiculous

[crude cloud]

it is

[pastel imp]

someone gotta make compilations of spigot fanboys defending spigot

ngl

whenever I see that I laugh hard, no joke

you know paper is better when spigot users come to paper discord server to ask for help 😂

[brazen ether]

you mean like the issue is the architecture and code of the plugin themselves rather than the API they use?

[cold prawn]

yea that is what im getting at

[crude cloud]

I mean yeah code that doesn't have to do with Minecraft doesn't have to do with Minecraft, but most plugins aren't like LuckPerms, people make stuff involving entities and world state, events, like minigames or game modes etc involving the API

[forest pecan]

If the plugin is designed bad it’s just a skill issue it’s not api fault lol

[cold prawn]

yea thats why i also dont get the mentality of paper = better

when Afonso was talking about plugin quality

[forest pecan]

I mean it is better lol. Why wouldnt you want to use those extra juicy features.

[cold prawn]

Yea not arguing that just arguing hating on spigot plugins :D

[odd laurel]

How do I use the Spicord API in a spigot plugin?

[pastel imp]

never talked about plugin quality factually, as said, I am biased, but I 100% prefer a paper plugin than a spigot one.

and trust one more than the other

biased opinion

but yeah

Well, actually, not that biased.

I am just ahead.

Paper will be hard forking sometime soon(ish) and if I use paper plugins already, I won't have any issues migrating lol

[forest pecan]

He’s just gigachad

[pastel imp]

well, I accept that lol

it's just working smart, I know what's coming, and I am future proofing it

that's my main reason for prefering paper plugins

[forest pecan]

Actually yeah I did some thinking and I think imma just use paper lol

The only thing that was holding me back tbh was selling support but I can just do that on buildbybit or other stores

[pastel imp]

wait wdym

[forest pecan]

Cause I’m broke 😢

[pastel imp]

what does X have to do with Y?

uh?

[forest pecan]

Cause I was originally gonna sell support on the spigot forums but

[pastel imp]

oh hell nha

[forest pecan]

That site sucks ass lmao

They don’t care about sellers or buyers

[pastel imp]

Builtbybit and polymart are decent options

Soon Hangar will also have a way to "kinda" sell plugins

[forest pecan]

Yeah I’m waiting for that

[pastel imp]

They are planning on adding private release channels, which means you can sell access to that release channel

this way, they don't have to handle payments, etc themselves

which is hella beneficial and doesn't require them to register a company

Hangar is slowly becoming really nice.

Just didn't get the attention it deserves yet

[cold prawn]

welp uve kinda changed my mind :)

[brazen ether]

Fuck

[agile galleon]

whats the easiest way to check if the server version is 1.20 or higher?

This?

[pastel imp]

dies

[agile galleon]

you do that, if you have something to say please do

[ocean quartz]

Not the best but works, feel free to copy https://github.com/TriumphTeam/triumph-gui/blob/master/core/src/main/java/dev/triumphteam/gui/components/util/VersionHelper.java

[pastel imp]

Funnily enough was searching where I had seen it before to give you an accurate response but ok

[agile galleon]

this seems to do what I need

[pastel imp]

Why not just get minecraftversion

Instead of the bukkit version

Eh technically same thing at the end I guess

One returns 1.20.6 the other same but extra

[ocean quartz]

Paper method

[crude cloud]

just get the data version from the version json 🥱

[pastel imp]

Even better

[abstract osprey]

why does GitHub have to be down

[rotund egret]

And then you respond with another non-response. ggs

[agile galleon]

lmao

[scenic dagger]

@quiet depot sorry for the ping but i want to report about someone, basically a freelancer in this server.

[rotund egret]

./report

[quiet depot]

yeah as zodd said use the /report command

[scenic dagger]

alr thanks both of you

[scenic dagger]

hey umm i have already made a report and i would like to add one more screenshot to it. how can i do that?

[slate elk]

difference between packetbased (NMS) scoreboard and teams and bukkit scoreboard api

beside different manipulation for each individual

[brazen ether]

ChatGPT ahh prompt

[pastel imp]

Mojang cooking last few updates/patches

th

[static zealot]

I am looking for a terminal with ssh support. For Android. Any recommendations?

[ocean quartz]

Why must you torture yourself

[static zealot]

:))

I need it more for emergencies than anything else

[cinder flare]

i've heard good things about Termius

[static zealot]

Hmm. Magazin Play recommended me Termius. Has positive ratings

Will try and report back

[half harness]

Personally I used termius and it was good

But I primarily got it bc I already had it on pc (altho I don't use it anymore) and so it synced to mobile

[cold prawn]

have used it, its okay, a bit sketchy when a app with ads inapp puirchaes etc holds ur ssh credentials but its popular so nothing has gone wrong yet 👍

those are the only critisisms ive heard

But i use it and its fine

[oblique heath]

i use juiceSSH, its worked fine for me

[lunar crag]

hey is there a part of the wiki that explains guild signs for worldguard regions to rent? thanks

[cedar estuary]

question, how much do you guys ask for a permissions configuration/setup ?=

[cold prawn]

i mean really depends on scale and complexity and etc

u get what u pay for

[pastel imp]

any ideas how I could fix gradle's release version 17 not supported when compiling? Everything is set for java 17 lol

[onyx loom]

might need to update ur gradle wrapper version?

[rotund egret]

Downgrading or upgrading gradle

[pastel imp]

doubt, the thing is

I have another setup which is basically set up indentically

[rotund egret]

Oh good, you had hidden information

[pastel imp]

that one works, this one doesn't

lmao

both same gradle wrapper version

[half harness]

whats the gradle wrapper version

[pastel imp]

8.1.1

[lunar crag]

Hey im trying to verify with the bot with my spigot since yesterday it wont look me up D:

[onyx loom]

apologies for delay

[ocean quartz]

8.1.1 should support 17, but try updating to 8.10 and see

[pastel imp]

yeah updating worked

weirdly

lol

[brazen ether]

@nocturne apex why not make the beams 1 elongated block display instead of multiple

you'll have better width control

if you don't like the elongated look at least make them rotate in the right direction

[nocturne apex]

ye thats gonna be next

I just wanted to make one part of the math first

and then imma use the quaternion for the rotation of the item display and make it longer

[pastel imp]

I wonder what the use case of this gonna be

lol

[brazen ether]

effects!

[brazen ether]

why item display

just use block display

[gusty glen]

What happened to Matt? His repo is down

[crude cloud]

he DIED

[gusty glen]

WHAT?!!!!!!

[crude cloud]

YES (no)!!

[gusty glen]

You are making me look like a fusion of these two heads: Kanik

[crude cloud]

lol

[gusty glen]

But seriously, did something happen to him? I wasn't able to find even his Github profile.

[crude cloud]

https://github.com/LichtHund it's there

[gusty glen]

Oh, the profile's name has changed, that's why I couldn't find it, thanks Emily

@ocean quartz seems like you have migrated from your old domain mattstudios.me, could you please share the new domain with me?

I revisited an old project I made that used one of your libraries, triumph-msg-bukkit, that was hosted in your artifactory at your website. But since the address seems to have changed, I'm unable to compile the project.

[nocturne apex]

bcs of being able to set model data

[ocean quartz]

The lib is not in the repo anymore since it's dead, I still have the github repo even though I made it private, I can give you access if you want to compile it locally or publish on your own

[gusty glen]

That would be perfect, Matt

[ocean quartz]

Check your github for the invite

[gusty glen]

Thanks, I've accepted it and manage to get it compiling (for the most part). May I ask what happened to this library in specific? It was my go-to library when I needed to have customizable colored messages.

[distant sun]

I don't remember what that library does, but all you need nowadays is MiniMessage#deserialize

Ah, markdown formatting
I guess you can use this instead https://github.com/Phoenix616/MineDown

[ocean quartz]

TLDR is that Minimessage became the standard and it's better for everyone if plugins stick to one format

[rotund egret]

Paper and Sponge directly implement it 😎🔥❤️

[slate elk]

My laptop fried it’s self

Should I disassemble and check what to replace

Or get new one

It’s 2000$ only .

New one

[oblique heath]

you should get a new one and send me your broken one

[sour bone]

on servers, my plugin's placeholders randomly stop working. Parsing them just doesn't work anymore. Any idea why?

I've registered two placeholder expansions, perhaps this is why?

[half harness]

(#development btw)
do you have persist() overrided to true?

[sour bone]

I dont, let me do that

[slate elk]

Why do u even use PAPI

U dev make everything from scratch

[slate elk]

Without the ssd lol

and make an unboxing video 😝

[oblique heath]

deal

[distant sun]

Why wouldn't he? Placeholders can be used on other plugins afterwards lol

[slate elk]

Why would u use any other plugins

Fr

Beside worldedit

Which is just decent art

[distant sun]

Yeah I'm not having this conversation with you

[slate elk]

And an Anticheat since it’s headache to code a one

😭😭😭😭

K anyone else wanna take Gabi spot

[dry coral]

been using hibernate a lot lately

really been liking it, especially how it integrates easily with redis as a cache

only downsize is size, but tbh size doesnt really matter

what do you all think about hibernate or ORMs in general?

[cerulean ibex]

jpa is fucking ass

[ocean quartz]

Hibernate with Spring is great, without it it's terrible

[dry coral]

how come

[crude cloud]

I can't say I've worked with either hibernate or spring, but I've worked with activejdbc and I can confidently say i didn't like it, i very much rather prefer DSLs like exposed for kotlin or jooq for java

I should definitely try spring but I don't have anything to do that I could use it on

[oblique heath]

is activejdbc like ruby's activerecord?

[crude cloud]

idk

[cold prawn]

sorry we all dont have all the freetime in the world to reinvent the wheel for the 12521th time :)

[gusty glen]

Continuing on this topic, do you still have the documentation of mf-msg around, perhaps? I would like to keep a local copy of it for future reference.

[dry harbor]

for real, custom plugins overhyped 😔

[cold prawn]

in my humble opinion 90% of times custom just means not refined

[crude cloud]

it doesn't have to

it might just mean "we just need this one hook for our specific server needs that the standard plugin out there doesn't do"

doesn't mean the whole plugin had to be better and overhauled

[dry harbor]

yeah same

I never get the mentality of needing every plugin to be custom

It just means you’ve rejected the x amount of years the main plugin has been maintained and tested

For your 1 week of work and hoping it works lol

[cold prawn]

Well most plugins are open sourced and usually u can make it work

But wouldn't necessarily call that a custom plugin

[pastel imp]

not everything nor always but I find myself doing several things custom because I can make them to my specific case and how I use it

[crude cloud]

yeah but the point is "custom" doesn't have to mean better

[vocal silo]

Hello, how to disable boat collisions? [PING ME]

[pastel imp]

exactly, custom simply means it's custom made for your use case

or simply how you want it to be, can be a simple thing like "I prefer configs to be like this" or whatever

sometimes it's the lack of an API

sometimes lack of features

sometimes lack of version support

several reasons

[pastel imp]

Random question, if you had a webserver, that needed to somehow tell an MC server to do an action, how would you do it without opening any ports, websockets, or whatever?

[oblique heath]

you can have the mc server reach out to the webserver via plugin

[pastel imp]

I don't think there is really a solution besides the mc server "pinging" the webserver for updates every x time

[oblique heath]

byeah

not necessarily pinging either, you can just open a socket connection to the webserver and maintain it

[pastel imp]

Question is, lets say it pings every 5s, but it's 1000 servers, then that's 1000 requests per 5 seconds, which could be a lot? Idk

[pastel imp]

That is the thing, without that, imagine the server has no access to the webserver

[oblique heath]

if for 1000s of servers you can use something like websockets

[pastel imp]

.

[oblique heath]

does the server at least have access to the internet in general?

[pastel imp]

Yes

But no extra ports or whatever

[oblique heath]

you can use dev tunnels, or pick a middleman website

[pastel imp]

What are those

[oblique heath]

dev tunnels are basically a way to share a website to the public without port forwarding

ms azure has them, cloudflare has them

you borrow a subdomain of theirs and any requests to that subsomain will be redirected to your local website automagically

alternatively, you can use a public service like google sheets or something

[pastel imp]

That doesn't solve the problem though

[oblique heath]

why not?

it doesnt involve any open ports

[pastel imp]

I don't think you understand

1s

So, I have the webserver/website/dashboard where you control settings and can click buttons that execute actions in a minecraft server. That minecraft server does not have access to my webserver, and can't open any new ports but needs to receive updates or actions to execute when I press the buttons in the dashboard on my side. This is at scale, it's not private.

[oblique heath]

what do you mean exactly when you say the mc server "does not have access to my webserver"

[pastel imp]

It means, I am not the owner of both and can connect them easily.

The minecraft server owner does not have access to my webserver

The only thing there is a rest api

For example.

[oblique heath]

right

wait in this scenario are the minecraft server and webserver owned by different people

neither of which are you?

[pastel imp]

Which means I can't reallt connect via websockets, or anything that requires me to have access to both sides

[pastel imp]

Webserver is by me

Mc servers can be owned by several different people

[oblique heath]

well you can require a plugin for the minecraft server, im assuming you will already have one for other functionality?

[jagged jasper]

Hello guys can I ask for help here or i should use #general-plugins

[pastel imp]

Well sure, the mc server can install a plugin but then what?

[oblique heath]

the plugin can connect to your website

via rest

or websockets

[pastel imp]

Depends on what your help is, if it is development/coding then here, if it is just plugins, configurations, etc, then other

[wintry plinth]

Websocket or pinging endpoint

[jagged jasper]

Thank you 🙂

[pastel imp]

Can it connect via websockets without opening any new ports?

[oblique heath]

yes

just like your browser can connect to a website without you port forwarding your pc

[pastel imp]

Oh hey charlie, thought you were LOA xd

[wintry plinth]

I am, I have 10 messages I’m not checking 😂

[pastel imp]

Lol

[pastel imp]

I assume analyse simply sends post requests to the webserver since there is no need for vice versa right?

[oblique heath]

clients generally do not need to port forward, so your plugins are safe to make outbound connections to a webserver without additional setup

[wintry plinth]

Yeah

[oblique heath]

and once the client initiates the connection, it is free to be used both ways

a la web sockets

[pastel imp]

So, there is no way for people to hijack that connection or anything? Since whoever has access to that socket will be able to execute anything in the server technically...

[oblique heath]

no easy way

hijacking that is the same as hijacking a browser's page load of say chase bank.com

if you are using https it is very difficult

[pastel imp]

Hmm

Okay

[oblique heath]

i think web sockets are the move for you

[half harness]

You should have authentication

[pastel imp]

Yeah, it appears so

[pastel imp]

In what sense do you mean that

[oblique heath]

yeah dkim is right you will definitely need some sort of user auth somewhere

[half harness]

Idk any type of auth

[oblique heath]

or do you expect all the server owners to allow your website to send any random commands to them?

ideally you have signed/encrypted payloads that can only be created by people authorized to send commands to the servers they are being sent to

that can be validated on the plugin side

[pastel imp]

Now I am a bit lost with this auth thing.

Just to explain a bit of how I want to do it, similar to how analyse works (lol), you login to the website, get a code, use that code in your mc server and it links up. Then there will be data being sent from the plugin to the webserver which then the webserver reacts in certain conditions and executes actions in the server.

[oblique heath]

hmm i mean i think its a cool idea but the first worry i would have as a user (server owner) is if you are able to execute arbitrary commands on my server

damn i just got hit with crazy deja vu

not sure why

[half harness]

Wait without scrolling all the way up can you give like a short explanation of what this is for

🥲

[pastel imp]

Well, the idea is that you set the commands that will be executed in reaction to those conditions, but in theory I guess I could?

[pastel imp]

This pretty much explains the idea dkim

[oblique heath]

i think a first step to make it safer is to allow server owners to "sign" the commands they want executed with a pgp key or something, that way only commands they configure themselves may be run on their server

[pastel imp]

No idea how I would go on about that tbh

I don't fully understand what you mean tbh

[oblique heath]

ok let me make an ez example

[pastel imp]

I understand that you should sign/encrypt them, similar to how signed messages work in mc, but no idea how

Specially in this case

[oblique heath]

for that all you need is some pgp library

im sure java has one

with a sign() method and a verify() method

if i sign() a piece of text, i can later verify() it to be certain that it came from me

if the text was modified somehow, verify() would fail

my key to sign and verify would only live on my local machine (mc host)

does that make sense? idk

[pastel imp]

Hmm yeah

What if I didn't had the power to execute any command though? Would this be fine without signed?

[oblique heath]

yeah

actually thats true you can just have the plugin config decide what commands are ran

signing it may just be overcomplicating

[pastel imp]

Yeah, only small thing is, I wanted it all to be configurable via the dashboard, so, you can configure the plugin and simply reloading the plugin would load the new settings

[oblique heath]

ig you could get fancy and use clientside code on the browser to sign/encrypt the commands

by accepting a password that becomes a pgp key

[pastel imp]

Which could potentially be okay to do? If I require the user to manually use the reload command in the plugin to update the settings, the user needs only reloads when he is the one modifying it, if someone else modifies it somehow, they still can't reload, only the admin

[oblique heath]

this kinda beats the purpose of the dashboard doesnt it

or no?

[pastel imp]

Yesno?

When you are in the dashboard doing something else and suddenly want to change a config, it's always easier to change it there than to change tabs or open a new tab, go to the config file, change settings in a yaml file (which sometimes is not that user friendly) and then reload

Here it would all be in the same interface and with better UI and UX

[oblique heath]

i figured that one of the main benefits of this dashboard was bulk updates

if you have say 20 minecraft instances

would rather not have to go to each one for any reason

[pastel imp]

Yes, that is also a possibility that will actually be possible

Since I plan to make it possible to select servers that share the same config

Easy to update a network if needed

[oblique heath]

byeah

idk at this point i think using a user password as the seed to an signing key is the move

generate it in js, all is well

[pastel imp]

The only way someone could possibly abuse it is if they somehow have access to both dashboard (either server owner's account or I get hacked) AND they have access to reload the plugin in the server

[oblique heath]

or you decide to abuse it for your own personal gain at some point

[pastel imp]

But chances that somehow happens are low, + if you can reload the plugin, you already can probably execute any command

So yeah

[pastel imp]

By you, you mean me or the server owner?

[oblique heath]

the webserver owner

[pastel imp]

Cause even if I wanted to abuse it, as said, the plugin needs to be reloaded by the server owner

[oblique heath]

hmm true

[pastel imp]

That is something I cannot access

[oblique heath]

idk i think the reload is a bit icky

[pastel imp]

I mean, it's the only way to secure this

[oblique heath]

also forcing a plugin reload might lead people to an antipattern of making an action to reload it

[pastel imp]

If I were to auto update settings directly, then that could get tricky

[oblique heath]

and im sure they will find ways to circumvent efforts to deny them the option to reload

[pastel imp]

Wdym

[oblique heath]

reloading the plugin is a command

your plugin so happens to allow the execution of commands