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#minecraft
stuck glen
ok
empty matrix
how are you logging in @stuck glen ?
stuck glen
from the game
stuck glen
java edition
next bear
no, you aren't
empty matrix
?imgur
umbral lanceBOT
FAQ Answer:
empty matrix
show us a screenshot
empty matrix
are you on windows 10
stuck glen
yes
stuck glen
i couldnt send it in the group
umbral lanceBOT
FAQ Answer:
next bear
well ur obv running a hacked client or a fake account so eh
empty matrix
what server are you logging in @stuck glen
stuck glen
yes
empty matrix
that's why
next bear
well there u go then
serene lotus
You'll need to purchase it from here, https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/store/minecraft-java-edition
buoyant haven
and did you legitimately buy an account recently?
empty matrix
so you'll have to remove it
next bear
thats what is causing the error
buoyant haven
your account has probably been stolen at this point
stuck glen
so i cant use my account?
empty matrix
you can
forest gazelle
are you using the vanilla MC client
buoyant haven
you'll want to uninstall all the generator shit, then change your bought account credentials
next bear
try not to use sketchy things like that
buoyant haven
run a good anti virus
next bear
you'll want to uninstall all the generator shit, then change your bought account...
this
buoyant haven
reset windows if you're scared
rapid ocean
🥲
forest gazelle
install pfsense on that router
empty matrix
- Press the Windows Key and R at the same time. It should open a box called Run.
- Paste this command (must paste the whole command) in the Run box: powershell -command "Start-Process notepad "$env:windir\system32\drivers\etc\hosts" -Verb runas
- Press Enter on your keyboard. It should open Notepad with a file.
- Look for any lines containing mojang anywhere in them, delete the entirety of all lines containing it (e.x. https://imgur.com/qBb9vZA)
- Save the file by hitting Ctrl and S at the same time then close Notepad.
You now should be able to play Minecraft again. If it works, please change your password so if your account was taken the person that stole it won't be able to log in next time they try.
also unintall the alt stuff
forest gazelle
convert your bank balance into gold bullion
buoyant haven
eat your family
forest gazelle
bury it under your great grandmother's grave
spare bobcat
Go to a discord which is helpful
forest gazelle
i need help helping people
buoyant haven
first step is to remind them not to ask to ask for help
tell them to just ask their question
spare bobcat
smhsmh
stuck glen
it doesnt work
stuck glen
i deleted the softwares
empty matrix
> 1) Press the Windows Key and R at the same time. It should open a box called R...
did u do this
next bear
you still... used them on your account
imma be blunt, someone probably stole ur account
and being blunt again, it's your fault
drifting thistle
how can i set the deluxetags tag amount?
empty matrix
how can i set the deluxetags tag amount?
drifting thistle
thanks
empty matrix
lol
empty matrix
thanks
its a joke - go to #general-plugins or #general-plugins-2
just a joke for ppl who ask in the wrong channels 😛
next bear
not a problemo
stuck glen
so i cant do anything?
next bear
you can try to recover your account, ask a responsible adult
empty matrix
so i cant do anything?
what alt gen did you use?
and did you do what i said?
and also make sure to log out and log in again
(and restart mc and its launcher)
next bear
what version of Windows are you running
empty matrix
wat
stuck glen
10
next bear
is it a school edition of Windows?
stuck glen
windows
next bear
or is it managed by a school
empty matrix
and are you on an administrator account?
stuck glen
its my own
next bear
well I don't see how notepad doesn't exist
unless u are running Windows server or some shit
stuck glen
notepad i mean
next bear
are you entering the command in the Windows + R popup?
stuck glen
ok ive pressed windows r and now what commad am i going to write
next bear
the one dkim's instructions say to type
are you capable of interpreting simple instructions?
empty matrix
ok now change ur password
next bear
two tone verification
drifting thistle
drifting thistle
Why doesn't it detect my Logger Module extension if its already added to the right directory
empty matrix
🤷
drifting thistle
and you are using 31 gigabytes already
Needs to be fixed
drifting thistle
Has gotten better during recent optimization additions however
we don't have aikars timings currently in the jar
empty matrix
is spark compat with 1.7?
drifting thistle
nope sadly
drifting thistle
also the tps locker isn't hitting its designated amount
its capping at 18-19 instead of 21
empty matrix
tps locker 😬
drifting thistle
Ticks per second
little kelp
Teaspoons
stone dome
lol
you sure it's capping at 18-19?
and not just lag?
you realize your cpu could be a bottleneck
even tho 96 gigabytes of ram
little kelp
How would it even lock tps without straight up skipping necessary tasks?
drifting thistle
well the jar doesn't have all new optimizations added yet so the tps locker will probably be able to reach its higher amounts after that
but the point of the system is to not have it depend on that and rather just lock the tps rate regardless of circumstance
stone dome
locking tps is not a great idea
little kelp
This joke has gone on for a long time.
stone dome
is it troll lol
drifting thistle
Im not joking..
?
The TPS locker is already added and works somewhat but its not finished
currently if the tps rate is set to 21 then it'll hit 18-19 if the tps was 15 (which it is now)
to answer It gives faster results currently, server performs as if tps was 18 or so with lag spikes here and there
empty matrix
i think something is bottlenecking your server
either that or ur server plugins or optimization sucks
drifting thistle
cant be the latter
server jar was already heavily recoded to be re-optimized and is now undergoing another major re-optimization/update
only about 50 plugins installed, most are custom except for Essentials, Plugman, Vault, ProtocolLib and PEX
empty matrix
pex?
drifting thistle
PermissionsEX
drifting thistle
no 1.7 support for luckperms
empty matrix
quite interesting
empty matrix
no 1.7 support for luckperms
wait really??
drifting thistle
I believe so
thin orbit
Ah yeah the 96GB man in the flesh
drifting thistle
oh
empty matrix
drifting thistle
well it'd probably do worse than better since pex is our own fork and the chat format plugin is custom and depends on it
empty matrix
why do u have custom everything
that could be a factor of performance actually
since custom = tested less
whereas public = tested with thousands/hundreds of users
over the course of several months
with hundreds of updates
and the chat format plugin is custom
why-
there are already a bunch of good chat formatting plugins
actually
i forgot its 1.7
drifting thistle
they're built to be more optimized and suitable for a combat server
empty matrix
since custom = tested less
whereas public = tested with thousands/hundreds of users
over the course of several months
with hundreds of updates
drifting thistle
also adds more unique-factor to the server
drifting thistle
to an extent, it can, also makes the server's asset value much higher
if I ever sold it (which I wont)
forest gazelle
The TPS locker is already added and works somewhat but its not finished
can you explain to me how willing the tps to go higher will make it go higher 🤔
drifting thistle
It ignores the TPS calculation made by the current task workload and creates its own TPS rate
forest gazelle
so you're not changing the workload itself at all
so you're basically making your own numbers up that look better
drifting thistle
It changes the tps rate itself
forest gazelle
does it change what actually gets calculated every tick? entities, chunk loading, etc. etc.
drifting thistle
the server currently performs as if it were at a 17-18 tps rather than 14-15, only with slight lagspikes due it being in a prototype phase
forest gazelle
wait when you say that it changes tps rate
are you just making it go at slightly above 20 to catch up to whenever happens to be below 20
is that what you mean?
stone dome
tps lock is absolutely stupid. why was the feature implemented?
imagine if the server has more players
or lags for some lag machine
how would tps lock work?
forest gazelle
well that's what i'm trying to get to the bottom of right now
drifting thistle
Well I'm guessing it'll start eating lot of ram
forest gazelle
why
drifting thistle
but the tps and server-speed will remain at a steady 21 (or whatever amount is chosen)
stone dome
Well I'm guessing it'll start eating lot of ram
did you forget your cpu exists
forest gazelle
what would make it start eating more ram
stone dome
^
forest gazelle
how does ram factor in
please explain because I am too foolish to see the connection
drifting thistle
the pressure load of the tasks has to end up being absorbed somewhere, in which it would be through the ram
forest gazelle
"pressure load"?
drifting thistle
as opposed to the CPU's clockspeed (which is represented by the TPS)
drifting thistle
"pressure load"?
the "heavyness" basically
forest gazelle
you mean the amount of calculations the cpu has to do per tick, right
how can RAM "absorb" that?
you have to do those calculations
for which you need the CPU
there is no getting around that
stone dome
Yeah i don't think you quite understand what lag really is
forest gazelle
when it takes longer than one tick to do those calculations, that's when you see a TPS drop
stone dome
many server providers trick other people by providing a ton of memry
stone dome
In fact, a good CPU can reduce ram
forest gazelle
you need to CALCULATE
drifting thistle
the point of the tps locker is to ignore the calculations and set a tps rate structured from a different variable basically
forest gazelle
okay thats what i was looking for
ignore the calculations
so you're basically throwing away actions done by the server
drifting thistle
focusing on the server and not the back end machine
stone dome
wait a minute... ignoring calculations
forest gazelle
it's exactly as silly as it sounds
drifting thistle
I believe certain actions can get sent to the ZGC, yeah
stone dome
i don't know if i want to laugh or cry
but ignoring calculations is not a good
option
forest gazelle
the point of the tps locker is to ignore the calculations and set a tps rate str...
what different variable?
stone dome
i will just say that
drifting thistle
tasks ordered directly from the jar
stone dome
like entity ticking?
drifting thistle
not the calculations, the tasks are simply to tell the jar what the tps should be
forest gazelle
not the calculations, the tasks are simply to *tell* the jar what the tps should...
okay so what i'm hearing is:
your cpu has encountered a lot of work; it freaks out a little because it can't maintain a perfect tps
your GENIUS plan is to shush the alarm and simply tell people that the tps is still 20
and then just trash whatever the CPU was currently doing so that it doesn't have to do any more heavy work
drifting thistle
let me draw a diagram
forest gazelle
go for it
drifting thistle
forest gazelle
what is that
polar pasture
Cool diagram
thin orbit
A diagram duh
stone dome
lol
drifting thistle
Essentially the reason why the TPS falls is because when there are more heavy tasks ongoing, it lowers so the CPU/server can catch up to the heavy load
Oh I didn't see that the graph looked like that, let me fix it
thin orbit
Graph lmao
forest gazelle
when there are more heavy tasks ongoing, it (the TPS) lowers
now you do understand that the "TPS" is not sentient, it has no choice in the matter? it's not like it decides to lower itself
it is just a number that represents how many ticks the server manages to get through in one second
stone dome
Hey! TPS has feelings too!
also, Vision you have a false sense of what TPS is
TPS doesn't determine tasks
tasks determine TPS
forest gazelle
yeah Vision i would love to hear your definition of TPS
because i feel like we're not on the same wavelength here
stone dome
if you lower tps to try and "catch up and do other tasks", you end up creating more tasks for yourself
lol
drifting thistle
TPS is tickets per second essentially
forest gazelle
ticks
drifting thistle
ticks, sorry
drifting thistle
a task sorted by the thread(s) that isn't consumed by the GC
forest gazelle
the GC has nothing to do with this
GC is for freeing up used memory
it can affect the tickrate but it is not at all related to what a tick is
forest gazelle
exactly; a tick is a unit of time
stone dome
It is referred as time
not an actual physical thing
you are like comparing something like
seconds to hot balloons
lol
forest gazelle
exactly; a tick is a unit of time
now, if a tick is a unit of time... shouldn't it stay constant?
well yes
that's the 20 tps ideal
if everything goes well then 1 tick = 1/20th of a second
drifting thistle
unless the G1GC
forest gazelle
stop
stone dome
However, sometimes the server lowers its ticks per seconds if it can't execute all tasks required in a second fast enough.
Get garbage collector out of your head
its completely unrelated
empty matrix
lol
forest gazelle
there is nothing special about the GC
empty matrix
ticks aren't java specific
forest gazelle
the G1GC is essentially a program that frees old memory for the JVM
the only reason it will ever matter here is because like any other program it uses the CPU
nothing beyond that
stone dome
In fact, ticks aren't related to anything about Java. It is something Minecraft made up entirely
stone dome
*which is what i said*
he probably didn't understand anyways
drifting thistle
the tps rate controls the speed of the server itself overall, factored by the workload of the CPU & its tasks iirc
forest gazelle
correct
empty matrix
._.
stone dome
had to put it in a "more noobish" way
you know
like when i was explaining generics to you dkim
so stfu lol
drifting thistle
so if you just make it not use its precautionary measure of lowering itself to keep up with the tasks at hand it can remain at 20 but just have higher CPU usage
empty matrix
oh that was painful
stone dome
lmao
forest gazelle
so if you just make it not use its precautionary measure of lowering itself to k...
this contradicts what you just said
look at your precious message
the tps rate controls the speed of the server itself overall, factored by the workload of the CPU & its tasks iirc
factored by the workload of the CPU & its tasks
factored by the workload of the CPU & its tasks
it is determined by the workload of the CPU
the only way you can change it
is if you change the workload of the CPU
aka you have to give the CPU less tasks
so that it can accomplish them in less time
that is the definition of TPS, that is the only way to improve TPS
drifting thistle
factored by the workload of the CPU & its tasks in terms of becoming a specific number based on the tasks at hand
forest gazelle
it is determined by the workload of the CPU
.
drifting thistle
but you can make it not become a specific number and just be a number you choose
disabling ZGC can help with that iirc
forest gazelle
but you can make it not become a specific number and just be a number you choose
if you changed how it would be calculated it would not be TPS anymore
stone dome
Sure you could set a cap to it but it's essentially saying like nope I don't want my server to perform well
lol
forest gazelle
but you can make it not become a specific number and just be a number you choose
if you make it "any number you choose" it will no longer accurately represent the TPS of the server
because the number of tasks the CPU can do in a second will not change
so the ticks done in a second will not change
so the real tps will not change
drifting thistle
forest gazelle
listen you can print all the fancy texts you want, it doesn't change how math works
empty matrix
GC: null
wait what
drifting thistle
if you make it "any number you choose" it will no longer accurately represent th...
The chosen TPS is 21 but since the server isnt performing at a rate of 21, it isn't
drifting thistle
> GC: null
wait what
developer is implementing a system to reroute ram consumption gc per instance
forest gazelle
The chosen TPS is `21` but since the server isnt performing at a rate of 21, it ...
what's the point in aiming for a higher tps if it can't reach it
actually there is a point, it's to get the average higher
but servers do that by default
drifting thistle
well, currently the tps locker has been able to climb the tps up to 18 or so
from 14-15, but it cant hit 21
forest gazelle
listen i'll believe that when i see it
can you share some timings with and without your tps locker
and also explain exactly why that is happening
because honestly improving your GC alone, with no other changes, can explain all of that by itself
locking tps is pointless
drifting thistle
http://prnt.sc/10zfgcv heres a screenshot of the old analytics from before the jar update occured
tps is lower
forest gazelle
so you have two screenshots and one is 1 tps higher than the other
you can take a screenshot of any server at two different times with no changes and it could be 1 tps apart
explain to me logically how increasing the cap for tps will make the average tps go up
drifting thistle
17 was the highest the server hit that week
forest gazelle
explain to me logically how increasing the cap for tps will make the average tps...
.
empty matrix
also if tps lockers were so good, why doesn't paper and all other server softwares have it 🤔
drifting thistle
well it doesnt just raise the cap, it does the calculation ignoring task mentioned earlier
drifting thistle
also if tps lockers were so good, why doesn't paper and all other server softwar...
exclusive software to doomspigot 😉
forest gazelle
does it just ignore certain events that would otherwise be calculated
because that's what every performance fork ever is doing
that is; reducing the total work needed to be done by the cpu
and as a result increasing the number of ticks that can be calculated in a second
thereby increasing tps
stone dome
exclusive software to doomspigot 😉
i doubt your single developer is better than a full on whole dev team with aikar, cat,
etc
and like many others
uneven bison
Plus what you want is magic, servers don't do magic
drifting thistle
didn't say he was, but he is good
ex Arcane, velt, minehq, W-Tapnetwork, invaded
forest gazelle
does it just ignore certain events that would otherwise be calculated
is this what your "calculation ignoring tasks" are doing
drifting thistle
let me make the actual diagram
forest gazelle
please do
drifting thistle
Blue = Tasks that the TPS will be calculated by (and the task that gets lowered/highered depending on magnitude of tasks)
Red = The alternative thing that the TPS will be decided by, which is just a command ordering what the tps should be
Green = CPU
Arrows = CPU workload going up or down
forest gazelle
and the center box is the server, i assume? lmao
drifting thistle
TPS rate
drifting thistle
If TPS is connected to blue then he TPS will lower itself if many tasks are taking place so everything can be done, and this in turn reduces CPU workload
forest gazelle
do you know why the "blue" box is what everybody uses to calculate tps
forest gazelle
If TPS is connected to blue then he TPS will lower itself if many tasks are taki...
you are mistaken here
the tps dropping does not reduce the cpu workload
tpe tps dropping is simply an indicator that the cpu has too much going on - that the workload is too high
the tps dropping does mean that the CPU is handling less ticks every second
drifting thistle
Also aren't you a dev on a relatively big server, name is familiar
forest gazelle
no
drifting thistle
LemonCloud I think?
forest gazelle
definitely not
forest gazelle
the tps drop tells the user that the CPU is overwhelmed
and that the server will run more slowly
it is solely determined by what the CPU's status is (overworked, etc)
it does not determine how much work the CPU is doing
the CPU's work determines it
drifting thistle
depends if you're using G1GC or ZGC
forest gazelle
no it really doesn't - but you know what, tell me how you figure that
explain how changing GCs changes what i just described
drifting thistle
will explain now, one sec
dense fiber
TPS go brrr too
little kelp
definitely not
Are you sure?
There is no way this isn’t a troll
Man I love Hypixel’s TPS locking, removes all lag.
forest gazelle
actually there's pretty undeniable evidence that he's not a normal user
he uploaded images - not embeds, images - to this channel
as a tier 1
i'm tier 2 and can't do that
little kelp
Dkim’s alt?
little kelp
Are you sure you can’t upload images in this channel?
little kelp
Idk I’m on mobile
forest gazelle
you should see an option to
if you go to #development you can definitely upload there
little kelp
Looks like I can’t
forest gazelle
very weird
dense fiber
I cant upload here but a tier 1 can? No way
forest gazelle
right??
little kelp
Paid $800 to be allowed to upload his top-notch graphs of his fake server
empty matrix
<@!521485088995672084>
;-;
im not
embeds are allowed
but not images
also i was in a bridge duel
so i couldn't see who pinged me
dense fiber
Ahem
little kelp
Ivan did
empty matrix
i won tho :)
empty matrix
fishy?
forest gazelle
that it can post images
empty matrix
embed or whatever its called
forest gazelle
i'm silly
empty matrix
post image link
empty matrix
what does it show up for u
empty matrix
little kelp
Maybe they are created by Barry because Barry is tired of all the bad questions
fallen flame
i have one person in are server and the ram is through the roof can some one help me
fallen flame
how do i do it
little kelp
./timings in console or on the server
fallen flame
thx
last sierra
tf add nogui to your flags after jar
unreal adder
ew @rustic galleon
dreamy badger
Try inverting a binary tree
drifting thistle
tf
old shale
🥲
somber basalt
delicate fulcrum
can someone help? im redoing this plugin that is essentially a nightmare, all of it's code in Main.java but then it also has random stuff like DependencyDownloader classes, etc.
i have no other question besides
public enum ProjectID {
PROTOCOLLIB(45564), WORLDGUARD(31054), WORLDEDIT(31043), VAULT(33184), HOLOGRAPHICDISPLAYS(
75097), CITIZENS(31073), FACTIONS(31292), DYNMAP(31620);
private final int id;
ProjectID(int i) {
id = i;
}
public int getID() {
return id;
}
}
WHAT IS THIS?
gray geode
Probably project IDs so it knows where to reach out and download from? Very weird though.
delicate fulcrum
this project has by far the weirdest practices ive seen.
true birch
could some one help me but in private messages its with deluxeTags if anyone know about it
delicate fulcrum
Does this template look good?
https://github.com/Silthus/spigot-plugin-template#quickstart-setup
next bear
I prefer spigot-clj ngl
timid plover
I prefer spigot-clj ngl
lmao
delicate fulcrum
thats a joke
No need; I'm currently working on my first gradle plugin so I'm occupied
runic brook
Dont you have a server?
runic brook
But you paid a dev to make a plugin for u?
edgy blaze
im not using essentials economy
runic brook
Run a local host server
edgy blaze
well yea
na i need some data i dont have for the test
those arent uploaded somewhere its just about baltop and conversion
kinda why i wanna a person using essentials economy
anyway can i drop the link here to spigot all info are on and about the jar file its not updated on the spigot since i need to test it before
(the git is updated anyway)
empty matrix
na i need some data i dont have for the test
wdym?
empty matrix
just put essentials and ur plugin on a server
edgy blaze
well that is what i wanna test but with multiple person on it
not just my 7 account
i mean... 7 is enought
empty matrix
..
edgy blaze
am i fucking dumb
empty matrix
no ones going to put a random plugin on a server with 7+ players
empty matrix
plus
edgy blaze
now im a sketchy guy xD
empty matrix
isn't 7 enough?!
edgy blaze
well i use to get 4 account for my brother and syster sharing
my girlfriend did bought one i could borow
empty matrix
what is your plugin about
edgy blaze
and i got one on android for her and same for me
liteeconomy
simple purpose been a economy on a network using database if needed
and vault hook can be disable
empty matrix
..and why do you need 10+ players?
edgy blaze
wich can be usefull do to about anything looking like economy
to test out the layout the guy used
didnt test it myself
empty matrix
'the layout the guy used'
edgy blaze
i did in pass version
empty matrix
https://github.com/games647/LambdaAttack you can use this to make an offline server and create fake bot accounts
edgy blaze
well i wonder if it will broke with a bunch of data
i could simply use an offline launcher too
empty matrix
https://github.com/games647/LambdaAttack you can use this to make an offline ser...
used for stress testing but ig can be used for what you want
edgy blaze
but thx gonna take a look
empty matrix
i could simply use an offline launcher too
those are pirating softwares (well technically lambdaattack is too lol) which can have malware 🤨
edgy blaze
im not scared of
edgy blaze
im not gonna use those sketchy launcher
empty matrix
❓
empty matrix
??
edgy blaze
nothing...
never heard about people getting credentials stolen somehow using tierce launcher?
chrome jacinth
You can also use Mineflayer if you need more control over your bots
empty matrix
ooo ive never heard of that before
seems cool
although i think u need js knowledge for that
edgy blaze
im usualy asking a guy for this test but... man he is a pain and alway in dont disturb mode
anyway gonna delete the part where im asking you guy to help me could be making some staff mad and i dont want to be ban for that
edgy blaze
logs bot i guess
chrome jacinth
Mineflayer is quite neat. I've been using it to run a bot from my phone
edgy blaze
interesting
empty matrix
logs bot i guess
yep @umbral lance
edgy blaze
multi core
delicate fulcrum
gradle > maven
empty matrix
gradle > maven
edgy blaze
maven is user friendly
empty matrix
also #dev-general
edgy blaze
but gradel is the best
edgy blaze
anybody can change maven repo and artifact easily
meaning anybody know how it would work basicaly
userfriendly dont mean fastest
rapid ocean
anyone can change a repo in gradle and dependency in gradle too lol
fiery root
marvel or gravel
edgy blaze
well im kinda noob with gradle
empty matrix
<dependency>
<group>group</group>
<artifact>artifact</artifact>
<version>version</version>
<scope>provided</scope>
</dependency>
```vs ```gradle
compileOnly("group:artifact:version")
dkim
edgy blaze
you see
empty matrix
idek if i typed the maven one correctly
edgy blaze
i didnt know that
rapid ocean
why are u on the kotlin gradle dsl wave too 😔
empty matrix
😭
sorry
i was going to do groovy bc its more common
but my brain
just uses kotlin dsl
<dependency>
<group>group</group>
<artifact>artifact</artifact>
<version>version</version>
<scope>provided</scope>
</dependency>
```vs ```gradle
compileOnly(group = "group", artifact = "artifact", version = "version")
``` @edgy blaze which one is better in ur opinionmaven is most likely the first step you fall to when you did use apache before
edgy blaze
but yea at this point gradel is looking easier
empty matrix
spigot tutorials either
a) use eclipse
b) use intellij and maven
no one uses gradle 😫
even though its best
empty matrix
but yea at this point gradel is looking easier
gradle* u mistyped it like 3 times xD
anyways gtg
delicate fulcrum
gradle seems easier, i didnt need any tutorial, just looked around for myself
delicate fulcrum
i did, video content is most friendly way of taking in information for me
edgy blaze
i still prefer the old wiki stuff
btw people learn from 4 or 5 way
that what i usualy teach to kids
the practice, the listening, by seeing and by their own
after that anybody learn the way they are better
and if at school they do it all people will learn better and faster than the marginal garbage they usualy give
and in minecraft its literaly what we can see
people will complain to get the item some other will try to do it themself and some other will show people how to do it
delicate fulcrum
interesting
edgy blaze
sorry for that i used to teach stuff in air cadets
delicate fulcrum
btw- how do i install the dependencies where intellij doesnt scream at me
because rn, it compiles but warnings
edgy blaze
mute the warning cause you know it will work
its kinda why people say using maven is better for kids
cause they will not complain under the video about the shit tone of warn spam
and between you and me we both know people can be pain on minecraft community
edgy blaze
oof
asking to the guy not using intelij even for codding
i prefer the old stupid modif i do on notepadd++
cause i hate sofware
gonna look
delicate fulcrum
lol ive also used intellij for shell files
very good for what it was
I fixed it by specifying a java version to run (Java 11)
edgy blaze
lol
still it depend of the code you do
btw if you code using java 11 you ill most likely run your server using 11 has well
it dont alway work if you use older version if the code support 10 and 11 dont mean it will support 9 or 8 you know
delicate fulcrum
well im not even gonna try and use old versions, just wanted a template where i could do it if i wanted to
like the minecraft development plugin, very cool however as a base it doesnt support (evil older versions like 1.8)
edgy blaze
yea
anyway paper will not support older version soon
so yea you make it correct using it
delicate fulcrum
i doubt they support 1.8 paper at all
Some people are trying to end the EVIL of 1.8
empty matrix
it dont alway work if you use older version if the code support 10 and 11 dont ...
you won't be able to start jar file if ur java version is lower than compiled
so if i compile in java 11 only java 11+ users can use it
slow imp
^
delicate fulcrum
o... just grabbed java 8
woeful tree
I'm currently using java 7, and it works perfectly. 😉
timid plover
I'm currently using java 7, and it works perfectly. 😉
Please end your suffering rn and either upgrade to java 15 or use the suislide 
woeful tree
Please end your suffering rn and either upgrade to java 15 or use the suislide <...
I smell suicide encouragement - BAN!
timid plover
idk what you're talking about
I'm just trying to help a man that is hurting himself without knowledge
glass cloak
hello can someone help me
little kelp
Depends
glass cloak
its simple
can you join this server it gives you gifts for how many people u invite and u join it u can leave it after a day or two or dont have to plz its on my other account FakeRegan123#0053 im tryna get a mc account
little kelp
I don't think this would be the right place to ask, not 100% sure on the rules though
little kelp
I cannot
glass cloak
oh ok i ll try another way
drifting thistle
Server performance has been decent and better today
Probably due to the jar update coming further along
little kelp
How goes the tps locking?
drifting thistle
working a little better, still doesn't reach the customized amount (caps at 19.5 or so)
but the developer is currently working on that presently rn
ram consumption has been much less after he finished a major segment to the jar's optimization rehaul (now consuming about 25-28GB from 35 yesterday)
little kelp
What are you going to do with the extra 70 GB?
drifting thistle
Once its safe (10GB ram consumption max) I guess I'll start unloading some ram from the server
maybe have it at around 30-45GB allocated to the server?
little kelp
How many players are you expecting?
empty matrix
working a little better, still doesn't reach the customized amount (caps at 19.5...
so you're saying with tps locking ur server wont lag 
drifting thistle
well it will just having a higher ticket speed
drifting thistle
it basically just puts more strain on the CPU trying to maintain the same speed
despite there being a larger load needing to be processed
empty matrix
then whys it called tps 'locking'
drifting thistle
the process is by doing /settps <tps> then /tpslock
drifting thistle
its called tps locking because it sets the tps at a certain rate
forest gazelle
oh it's you again
drifting thistle
hey
forest gazelle
you never told me why changing the GC would change how the tps is calculated 😢
you got me all curious now
little kelp
No GC = higher tick speed
drifting thistle
oh, yeah
little kelp
Vision how come you are the only one doing tps locking if it works?
drifting thistle
The GC will consume ram which strains the TPS rate
woeful tree
You might as well lock CPU, and RAM usage whilst you're at it. 🤣
little kelp
How does ram strain tps?
empty matrix
if anything the gc lowers ram usage iirc
forest gazelle
but that is not at all related to or indicative of "ram strains tps"
drifting thistle
the GC strains the TPS
little kelp
No GC = server crash
drifting thistle
I want to make a substitute for the GC
forest gazelle
vision
do you know what the GC actually does
can you explain to me, in as much detail as you can muster, what the GC does
little kelp
Was paying your developer a one time thing, or are you continually paying?
drifting thistle
It'll locate tasks deemed deemed wasteful and then "collect" them so they aren't straining the CPU
but in the process it also eats up ram
forest gazelle
It'll locate tasks deemed deemed wasteful and then "collect" them so they aren't...
false
you have those inverted
drifting thistle
Was paying your developer a one time thing, or are you continually paying?
I pay him hourly
empty matrix
little kelp
Does GC eat ram?
woeful tree
Locating the tasks would be more straining, would it now?
empty matrix
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/BZyb2V424XN00UnGyv-UMcBzuvMuniKv2Dp...
look at this gc
little kelp
I pay him hourly
Can I join the dev team, I can make /tps show 20 constantly
woeful tree
As by the time you've evaluated, it could have already been performed.
forest gazelle
it recycles ram
GC = RAM recycler
it does not use ram, it gives you ram back so you can use it again
and it uses the CPU to do so
that's why it affects tps
woeful tree
Can I join the dev team, I can make /tps show 20 constantly
Upgrades to 1.8
drifting thistle
I want to utilize a modified SQL DB to do what the GC does where it uses the CPU less
empty matrix
huh?
forest gazelle
you know what, that idea is the best i've ever heard come out of you
empty matrix
im still confused
forest gazelle
but it's also still very terrible
little kelp
So you want to connect to an SQL database as a GC?
forest gazelle
I want to utilize a modified SQL DB to do what the GC does where it uses the CPU...
the issue with this idea
woeful tree
im still confused
Be right back, just gonna eat some rice with chop sticks.
forest gazelle
is that the further away the "GC substitute" is from your actual software
little kelp
Make sure the sql is hosted in another continent for the best speed
forest gazelle
the more latency you will have
aka there will be a much longer delay
and that's not something you can fix with a magical perfect GC
rapid ocean
🥲
forest gazelle
that is caused by the fact that you have physical distance between your new GC and your server
little kelp
Should switch to yml files
drifting thistle
well the DB would be hosted on the server
rapid ocean
hey guys i want to make my pc out of wood because i heard its a VERY good electrical conductor can u help me?????
drifting thistle
it would be a localhost
forest gazelle
well the DB would be hosted on the server
2 things:
little kelp
hey guys i want to make my pc out of wood because i heard its a VERY good electr...
Rubber is better, try that
forest gazelle
- it'll still have to go through the internet protocol because it's a SQL server
rapid ocean
ok thanks 😊
little kelp
How would SQL even be used as a GC?
forest gazelle
so there will still be a lot more latency than the regular GC(s)
forest gazelle
- if you are going to host it on the same machine, why use an SQL server for that purpose in the first place?
what benefits does using SQL for that bring?
little kelp
Maybe Vision came up with the greatest idea ever, and we just don’t see it yet?
forest gazelle
that's what i'm wondering
rapid ocean
u are literally saying ud wanna use a secondary storage device instead of RAM
forest gazelle
maybe there's some magical reason i don't see
little kelp
Ram is too slow
rapid ocean
it literally defeats the whole purpose of having ram, like what
little kelp
DB is better
woeful tree
You know what, fuck it - let's just bin the RAM. We don't need it!
rapid ocean
not at all
little kelp
Store it on paper, then make a machine that reads and writes to the paper
forest gazelle
embrace tradition, return to floppy
forest gazelle
really asinine memory
woeful tree
Let's just make the program use pen and paper xD
little kelp
Ask Barry to store the data for you
rapid ocean
if u are going as far as making a whole new GC implementation for a MINECRAFT server on 1.7 alongside a "tps locker" with ur own custom jar, im sorry but the problem most likely lies somewhere else within the mc server itself
little kelp
Yeah just recreate Minecraft at this point
forest gazelle
honestly ^
woeful tree
Yeah just recreate Minecraft at this point
- re-creates linux *
little kelp
Windows better
drifting thistle
if u are going as far as making a whole new GC implementation for a MINECRAFT se...
well we're pushing a new crate key pack + a few new OP kits tomorrow so I'll use the revenue from that to pinpoint any other issues
forest gazelle
vision i don't mean to sound discouraging because you do seem like you have a lot of ideas
forest gazelle
but pretty much everything to make spigot faster has been tried to some extent
drifting thistle
its in maintenance mode rn but its re-opening tomorrow
forest gazelle
if you really want to get some unprecedented gains, you'll probably want to start from scratch
rapid ocean
Krypton 😎
forest gazelle
because right now the biggest limit to minecraft is the design of the source code itself
that's what everything - bukkit, spigot, paper, etc.etc. - is trying to patch up and fix
little kelp
Obviously should have been coded in Haskell, not Java
forest gazelle
if you could manage to reorganize and remake it from scratch with performance in mind, that would yield you much more of a boost than any other optimization you could hope to make with the gc or otherwise
drifting thistle
I'm not completely against diverting completely away from spigot/bukkit and making my own codebase
drifting thistle
if you really want to get some unprecedented gains, you'll probably want to star...
little kelp
Create your own programming language to recreate Minecraft
drifting thistle
thing is it'd be very costly and we'd probably no longer be able to use anything aside from the FairFight Anticheat
forest gazelle
well yeah but right now you're talking about making a GC
drifting thistle
50+ custom plugins would go to waste too
forest gazelle
and not only that, but a GC that's better than any existing GCs
the various java GCs have been years in the making
woeful tree
I do not know what the actually fuck you've got going on - but basic spigot 1.7.10 is only using 300mb of ram from a fresh install xD
forest gazelle
and they are constantly being improved
woeful tree
rapid ocean
recreating a gc would be so much of a time waste not only the cost implications
woeful tree
forest gazelle
the various java GCs have been years in the making
and you want to one-up all of that
little kelp
Have you seen all the places Visions’s developer has worked at? They will make the best GC ever.
rapid ocean
drifting thistle
thing is SQL is faster than Java generally since its built for storing/transferring/identifying data
forest gazelle
no
rapid ocean
???????????????
forest gazelle
that's just... wrong
little kelp
I do not know what the actually fuck you've got going on - but basic spigot 1.7....
They have 90 GB, so that’s too much for them
forest gazelle
thing is SQL is faster than Java generally since its built for storing/transferr...
SQL is meant to serve data to far-away clients
in that, it excels
little kelp
thing is SQL is faster than Java generally since its built for storing/transferr...
SQL and Java are two completely different things
forest gazelle
but the GC deals with data that is extremely close to it
little kelp
There is no way this isn’t a joke
forest gazelle
using SQL for something like this is incredibly silly for many, many reasons
little kelp
They keep saying more and more outrageous things
drifting thistle
SQL and Java are two completely different things
I mean in this specific situation/task at hand
sorry, should have turned ping off for the reply
forest gazelle
SQL transfers data over the internet - it goes through TCP, through it's own protocol, and sends data to a recipient
the Java GC does not need to do any of that
drifting thistle
We use TCPShield already
little kelp
How long would that take to make to even remotely work?
forest gazelle
it reaches straight into it's system memory - no internet required
empty matrix
We use TCPShield already
offtopic
forest gazelle
this makes it orders of magnitude faster
woeful tree
D00MSPIGOT got bloatware?
little kelp
the Java GC does not need to do any of that
Maybe it’s time for that to change
empty matrix
*D00MSPIGOT got bloatware?*
dOoMSpIGoT bEsT fOrK
forest gazelle
Maybe it’s time for that to change
Vision will be the pioneer of GCaaS
woeful tree
Best spoon you mean
empty matrix
mb
little kelp
Spork
little kelp
Thanks for reminding me, I did forget actually
We should write plugins in SQL instead of Java
drifting thistle
how much would this operation cost if it was done hypothetically
forest gazelle
which operation?
little kelp
$10,000
drifting thistle
GC substitution
forest gazelle
making a custom GC that is better than existing GCs, and setting it up to work with SQL?
drifting thistle
Why that much?
rapid ocean
an astronomical amount
empty matrix
Why that much?
lol
little kelp
I would accept no less than $100k because I have no clue what I am doing, but pros would want at least $10k.
empty matrix
/s
rapid ocean
making a gc is just not easy at all
drifting thistle
I'll shoot my developer a DM and see if he can give me a quote
rapid ocean
dont even waste his time
forest gazelle
how much would this operation cost if it was done hypothetically
to put it into perspective, companies like Oracle, Google - Huge companies - have a large team of staff who they pay real money to work on and improve the JVM
little kelp
I can give a quote
forest gazelle
and it takes them years to make any significant changes like a new GC
rapid ocean
i hope for his own sanity he straight up says no
little kelp
“Believe in yourself, but not too much”
forest gazelle
you are suggesting that one person can do it in place of a team of people, in less time, for less money?
little kelp
i hope for his own sanity he straight up says no
But think how much they are getting paid
rapid ocean
🤔
woeful tree
Messages some 12-year-old who is money hungry on fortnite, and has a lot of bullshit
empty matrix
u must be rich to even think of doing things like this
we've told u many times
that its not a good idea
yet you still do it
little kelp
But we could be wrong
drifting thistle
most of it are just funds from the server or my previous servers
little kelp
Never trust random people on the internet
woeful tree
I would mention is.. if you're "full of innovation" - why are you pottering around on servers such as HelpChat?
little kelp
For help
drifting thistle
^
forest gazelle
well it's not wrong to be on here
if anything I personally am glad that vision comes here
little kelp
How else will they be able to create an SQL GC?
forest gazelle
so that I can try and talk some sense into him before he dumps a grand into some guy who has big promises
then gets nothing to show for it
rapid ocean
🥲
woeful tree
We just need Elon Musk, then we got the whole deck of cards xD
little kelp
We just need Elon Musk, then we got the whole deck of cards xD
Who do you think dkim’s alt is?
forest gazelle
vision what are the specs of your server again? CPU-wise
woeful tree
Who do you think dkim’s alt is?
👀
empty matrix
Who do you think dkim’s alt is?
👀
drifting thistle
If I'm being completely honest if I need to spend that much to make this GC then thats clearing out a lot of remainder funds left over
little kelp
Those two messages took up my whole phone screen
rapid ocean
no
timid plover
STOOPPP
rapid ocean
get it out of ur head vision
empty matrix
you also have to know when these people are sarcastic
drifting thistle
vision what are the specs of your server again? CPU-wise
Ill check with the developer
little kelp
None of our prices are real
empty matrix
because it sounds like you took 100% of everything they said the past week seriously
woeful tree
Imma go get some much needed sleep.
forest gazelle
Ill check with the developer
if you have anything but bleeding edge
rapid ocean
lol
forest gazelle
i'm talking you need a ryzen 5k / intel 10th,11th gen desktop cpu OC'ed
little kelp
if you have anything but bleeding edge
That’s a nice song name
forest gazelle
if you have anything less than that
rapid ocean
if its not a minimum i9-9900k ima be disappointed to say the least
forest gazelle
it would be a much better use of your money to upgrade that
little kelp
Go into the future and steal their technology
forest gazelle
rather than spend it on trying to make an entire new GC
rapid ocean
in before celeron from 2008 🥲
little kelp
Hmm does Hypixel have their own GC and tps locking?
little kelp
Quick someone infiltrate Hypixe’s dev team