off-topic

[trim raft]

Yea but for punishment GUIs, there are tons made for AdvancedBans and LiteBans

BGHDDevelopment made a very popular one

[jade oasis]

punishment guis take longer to ban someone

[trim raft]

I don't see the difference with this plugin gonna be honest

[obsidian chasm]

Easy way to ban players is close your server.

[trim raft]

/stop

[jade oasis]

you gotta type a command, then click lots of items

[trim raft]

or do that ^

[velvet crescent]

Brett, have you tried /stop lag? I've been running my server on 20 constant tps after I did that

[trim raft]

[jade oasis]

i finally basically finished school

[velvet crescent]

Also lmao Brett

[jade oasis]

like school year

[velvet crescent]

Scholtes, I got one fucking subject left cause the professor is a cunt

[jade oasis]

which subject

[velvet crescent]

My birth language

[trim raft]

offtopic but I have lost hope in humanity: https://hypixel.net/threads/add-thanos-as-a-dungeon-boss.2990181/

[fringe sigil]

Lol

[velvet crescent]

I didn't send her my assignments on time, and I have to go and actually write them out again at school, even though I made them and they were all 100% correct

Like damn..

[jade oasis]

thats kinda on u though

[trim raft]

[jade oasis]

lol

[velvet crescent]

Well no, she said at the start of the quarantine that we'll be able to send her assignments even if they're late, it's just going to be 1 grade lower

Hence me not giving a shit since I had so much shit with other subjects

[jade oasis]

oh you guys use A, B, C etc?

for grading

[trim raft]

What do you have?

[jade oasis]

percentages

[trim raft]

oh I have both

[fallow crow]

I have scales from 1 to 10

[velvet crescent]

1 2 3 4 5

[trim raft]

Sometimes its a letter grade, sometimes its a %

[jade oasis]

I used to have both in ireland

In Israel its just a %

[velvet crescent]

Scholtes, go review FJ again, I added smexy shit 😏

[jade oasis]

it feels better seeing 100 than seeing A+

[velvet crescent]

I mean we get percentages, and the actual grade

[trim raft]

Petition to get schools around the world that use letters to add S+ above A.

[jade oasis]

1
100%

like that?

doesnt it get confusing

[fallow crow]

Speaking of that, it feels like tests here are unlimited in 1 month...

[velvet crescent]

(5) 100%

[fringe sigil]

they never ask me to review

[jade oasis]

oh usually its lower to higher

as in 1 would be best

[velvet crescent]

That's germany

[jade oasis]

and the netherlands

[fallow crow]

I have been taking examination like forever now

[jade oasis]

and the ABC system

[velvet crescent]

Yea we got the other way around

[jade oasis]

Otherways an F would be like a 100%

[trim raft]

lol

[velvet crescent]

Imagine every country standardizing the educational system

Now that'd be something

[trim raft]

Frosty we need to standardize units first

[jade oasis]

Whats the failing percentage for you guys

[trim raft]

[velvet crescent]

metric Brett yes

[fringe sigil]

CommandBase

[jade oasis]

For us it's 55 or below

[velvet crescent]

50%, some 60%

Depends on the assignment

[jade oasis]

mfw when i only need like 40% on my computer science final state exam to pass the subject

though it'll be an easy 100

[trim raft]

[velvet crescent]

pro hackerman Scholtes

[eternal apex]

Frosty we need to standardize units first
we have

[jade oasis]

our final grade is made up of like
30% project kinda thing
70% test if im right

[velvet crescent]

Piggy, if you don't say metric, imma be mad

[jade oasis]

metric > imperial

[eternal apex]

metric is the standardized unit

[velvet crescent]

Like what fucking idiot decided feet should be a measurement lmao

[eternal apex]

everyone uses it

[velvet crescent]

Tell that to americans

[jade oasis]

10mm = 1cm
100cm = 1m
1000m = 1km

[trim raft]

hey Gary we're gonna use your foot as the standard for measurement in our unit system, ok?

[eternal apex]

I don't understand why american's don't have their own time units

they've got everything else

[jade oasis]

because that would clearly be wrong everyone should use the same time unit what are we crazy /s

[fallow crow]

everyone uses it
@eternal apex our country don't ._.

[eternal apex]

really?

[fallow crow]

Usually it is called here meter than feet

[eternal apex]

that's quite rare

[queen jewel]

1 as/s

[jade oasis]

we are talking about time

[eternal apex]

metre is metric

[jade oasis]

^

[trim raft]

1 ft = 1 id/gaf

[eternal apex]

what's a really american time unit

[jade oasis]

pizza time

[fallow crow]

Lol

[velvet crescent]

Damn you Scholtes

[trim raft]

1 minute = 1 idgaf

[velvet crescent]

Nah Brett

1 minute = 1.43 idgaf

[trim raft]

[velvet crescent]

That's better

[trim raft]

For time during the day

[eternal apex]

brett, you're american, do you use metric or imperial on a daily basis?

[velvet crescent]

If you're gonna use a fucked time system, might as well make it as dumb as possible

[trim raft]

It'll be military time.

Piggy yes I am 🇺🇸

[jade oasis]

boo

[eternal apex]

that wasn't the question lol brett

[trim raft]

o

[fallow crow]

Could really use some chips right about now..

[jade oasis]

there's clearly a language back

he speaks american

[fallow crow]

I mean, I just need less than hundred steps to get into the grocery but it's raining rn

[trim raft]

i use imperial

[jade oasis]

https://youtu.be/J7rcmHz0Kbk

[eternal apex]

D:

[fallow crow]

I don't even know wth is imperial lol

[eternal apex]

feet

inches

[trim raft]

"fluent american"

[eternal apex]

miles

[fallow crow]

Wait.. you guys use inches??

[trim raft]

I can't tell if she is memeing or not

yes in American

[fallow crow]

Oh

[trim raft]

oh wait nvm she is memeing

"you know the solarsystem and like, america is in the middle"

[eternal apex]

I always see youtube videos from the talk shows on dumb americans

seeing if they can find their own country on a map

[trim raft]

If you want to see dumb americans do one of two things:

[jade oasis]

go to america

[trim raft]

1. go to a drive thru in america (perferably at a popular fast food chain for maximum entertainment)
2. watch americas "funniest" home videos

[jade oasis]

3. talk to brett

[fallow crow]

Anyone even stand watching this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3TSN4bBf3Q

[velvet crescent]

usefull-ish

[jade oasis]

ish ish

[trim raft]

[obsidian chasm]

Why are there a lot of server that breaks eula?

[velvet crescent]

Ducky, cause noone gives two shits about it :kek:

skep, paperspigot is good enough

[obsidian chasm]

Recently, I saw a server that just gambling and betting real money for the pvp...

[velvet crescent]

oof

[obsidian chasm]

from google... just search a bit ._.

[fallow crow]

^

[viscid kraken]

https://papermc.io/api/v1/paper/1.8.8/443/download

[fallow crow]

first result

but i mean

why 1.8 🤮

[obsidian chasm]

@fallow crow 'cause he wants to make some revenue with 1.8 community

[fallow crow]

Smart play revenue wise

[velvet crescent]

Aj, I use 1.8 :c

[fallow crow]

But that community is 🤮

exCUse me

WTF frcsty 😢

[velvet crescent]

I'm sorry

[fallow crow]

not fucking good enough

[obsidian chasm]

The community is massive. There are a lot of latest minecraft server but they are not big enogh

[fallow crow]

its too big lol

[obsidian chasm]

but if you look at 1.8 based server

they have at least 250+

[velvet crescent]

Ducky, the community is massive, however around 60% if not more, is just stupid toxic kids

[fallow crow]

^^^

[velvet crescent]

So if you find that 40% you've hit the jack pot

[fallow crow]

Smart play business wise tho probably

its a bigger part of the mc community i would say

so as terrible as it is its a smart choice on a business basis

[velvet crescent]

I mean yea, people still enjoy playing factions etc

[obsidian chasm]

I agree with you lol. I've afraid to get this community in my server but I care what community say so I'm going with 1.8

[velvet crescent]

I mean I do too, but most communities are just too toxic

[fallow crow]

ngl kinda wish MC removed multiplayer ability from old versions

[velvet crescent]

Aj no

[fallow crow]

People would mod it in tho i guess

[velvet crescent]

It should stay, mc should just get an age limit of like 16

[fallow crow]

and once again from MC's perspective its smart to not do that from a business standpoint

lol

[velvet crescent]

Problem solved :kek:

[fallow crow]

oof

[obsidian chasm]

What did you say for my click community? @fallow crow

[fallow crow]

cya then

hm?

if you wanna play a pvp game go play one

get off a kids block game

[obsidian chasm]

Roblox is better for pvp

[velvet crescent]

ew

[obsidian chasm]

haha

[velvet crescent]

There's more money in roblox than in MC

It's just so trash most people can't be bothered

Skep

https://google.com

Learn how to use it.

[obsidian chasm]

I actually not agree... Minecraft is the best way to earn massive amount of money. I can give you some example related with that

[velvet crescent]

Well not really, I mean yes there's still a fuck ton of money, but overall Roblox is a less exploited market, which if you played your cards rights you could farm the fuck out of it

[fringe sigil]

gambling minecraft sounds fun

[obsidian chasm]

Hm... I'm not sure you might be right

[velvet crescent]

(Just how I see it)

[obsidian chasm]

but if you consider the devs in minecraft hire from server owners like 20-30$/hr

[ebon shadow]

Sure, if you're a large youtuber or server owner, but for the average person there really isnt money it. New servers tend not to grow very well since people are just drawn to the big networks since they already have the things most people want to play.

Boi if someone would pay me 20/30 an hour I'd suck your toes

[obsidian chasm]

haha

[fallow crow]

send me your paypal

[obsidian chasm]

It's actually a lot of server owners who pays this amount

or more

[fallow crow]

and address

[ebon shadow]

oh god what have I become

[obsidian chasm]

but what I hate is this servers are SHIT and not UNIQUE. They don't deserve this fucking money

[velvet crescent]

Ducky, it's not the servers that are the issue, it's the "commissioners", well servers as well but not as much, like you can take a look at the request-paid channel, if this was a couple years ago people would be offering tripple the amount if not 4x

What I'm saying is, people lost the appriciation of what all goes into developing a plugin - the time investment

[ebon shadow]

Ducky I've never seen anyone pay that much. Most people are like $1/200 per plugin, and they are fucking HUGE plugins.

Also frostys last point

People just dont appreciate that

[obsidian chasm]

Okay, let me give some of the servers who hire 15-30$/hr

[velvet crescent]

See but again, 15-30 is a relative amount, it depends on how much effort goes into it

[obsidian chasm]

I don't want to advertise one of them 'cause they don't deserve but if you look at the Lemoncloud, hypixel, cubecraft, invadedlands they've hired new developer nowadays with this amount of money and over

[ebon shadow]

If we took work from #716864121043419167 , we would most likely end up with cents per hour of work for most of them which is the problem

[obsidian chasm]

I've done a lot of works from there but it's not worth to code for someone

Just make an unique server

and make revenue. You'll deserve it if you make actually UNIQUE server

[ebon shadow]

All the servers you listed are very large and chances of getting hired are almost nill

And they dont hire often

[velvet crescent]

Ducky, that's where most servers fail nowadays, everyone thinks they have a unique idea, but they just fail with the execution because they rush into it, making a server isn't a 1 week job

katsu, I remember from some larger servers when they say they don't have available spots, and say they'll contact you, but they never do :c

[ebon shadow]

I always read that as being let down gently Frosty

[obsidian chasm]

I've spent almost 6 month for my current project and I was almost lost my control and consider delete my project. What you said is true. Unique server is not 1 week job

Frosty like real life jobs lol

[velvet crescent]

I wouldn't really compare the two, but yea I get your point

[ebon shadow]

I mean

If I get paid $20 an hour every day to work on plugins for a server

I'd call that a real job

[obsidian chasm]

katsumag I meant to say look at those shit servers who doesn't care their players...

You can make better one

[velvet crescent]

Those are rare occassions katsu

[ebon shadow]

Yup, very

[velvet crescent]

Like I've worked as a contracter before on a server, and I can't really say it's anything like an irl job

I was stressed more than I needed to be

[obsidian chasm]

Frosty do you have any server or current project right now?

[velvet crescent]

I have a project active yes

[ebon shadow]

Fair enough. I meant more in terms of pay than anything, but yeah, server owners here are pretty demanding and constantly pestering you

[obsidian chasm]

As I see from you, you could make one of the best and unique server in minecraft. So if you're making server, good luck and I'll be the first donator in future ._.

[ebon shadow]

Is that face at the end meant to be smiley? It just kinda looks flat and bored lol

[trim raft]

You're a dumbass in my book if you invest your savings in either.

[obsidian chasm]

Just change the minecraft, especially the community. I cannot change right now 'cause I've nothing but some of you guys can make unique games and might change a little bit

[fallow crow]

frcstycraft

[velvet crescent]

It's not a project for me

[fallow crow]

frcraft

frcraftsy

[velvet crescent]

I've seen too many servers rise and fail to have the patience to make it myself, I mostly do private commissions

[obsidian chasm]

Frosty just make your own

[ebon shadow]

FrozenJoinCraft

[obsidian chasm]

Trust me really...

Minecraft never die and will not.

[trim raft]

It was dying before 2019 thats for damn sure

[fallow crow]

depends what you define "die" as

[obsidian chasm]

@trim raft but not died...

[velvet crescent]

Brett, it was dying, but is coming back to life slightly

[fallow crow]

a decline in numbers from what it used to get, or low for a game? I dont think it will ever get low, but compared to numbers it used to/currently does i think it will decrease

[velvet crescent]

And yes Minecraft as a community will never die, since there's no game which allows this much of freedom all together

[obsidian chasm]

Hytale will be different game not like minecraft so there are a lot of games like hytale. If you consider it, minecraft is still alive

[ebon shadow]

But the problem with making a server is paying for hosting later on, the massive time and possibly monetary investments, getting somewhat trusted staff that wont kill everything when they get slightly tilted, finding time to help players and perform maintamenence, while taking commissions, school, having free time, etc

[obsidian chasm]

katsumag questions are the key.

So use google or ask community for your server.

Build your own idea and experience some of the your past work. The time is the only way to make a great server

[eternal apex]

what is a great server

[obsidian chasm]

1.8

[eternal apex]

one that is fun to play, has a unique idea

or one that makes money

[jade oasis]

if your staff can kill everything when slightly tilted then you messed something up

piggy, great or successful?

[obsidian chasm]

@eternal apex all of them needed.

[eternal apex]

Build your own idea and experience some of the your past work. The time is the only way to make a great server

[ebon shadow]

True, great server is highly subjective

[jade oasis]

Making a unique gamemode is how you fail

[obsidian chasm]

If you make a server which is unique but not fun at all. It'll not a great server but it's unique

[jade oasis]

No one will bother to learn something new unless its heavily advertised

[eternal apex]

in my books, a great server is one that turns a massive profit, and the best way to do that, is not by making a unique, fun server, but by simplying hiring gian.

[ebon shadow]

I agree with Scholtes here, you have to get people interested in that, rather than go the tried and tested method.

[fringe sigil]

@ebon shadow who do you work for

[jade oasis]

piggy

that isnt a great server

[ebon shadow]

Piggy you had me in the first part ngl

[jade oasis]

its a successful server

[obsidian chasm]

So you saying factions and skyblock are fun to play nowadays?

[ebon shadow]

@fringe sigil nobody rn, why?

[jade oasis]

No but they are what can make a successful server

[fringe sigil]

Oh I thought u said you were being paid 20 an hour

[obsidian chasm]

just buying spawner and rank trying to spend all of your money to become number one in server. Sounds like trash...

[ebon shadow]

No that's what our discussion was about

[jade oasis]

I didnt say its fun or great

I said it's successful

[ebon shadow]

That for most commissions people dont pay much for the amount of hours and work you put in. Ducky said servers pay 20/30 per hour, and I said if I get paid that I'd suck your toes. Which apparently AJ was interested in... @fringe sigil

[jade oasis]

The only way to get a big server in 2020 (100+ constantly) is dropping tons on ads

[obsidian chasm]

@jade oasis youtube is key for that

[fringe sigil]

Lol

[jade oasis]

Prove me wrong

[obsidian chasm]

or twitch

but not for the fun to play. The players play your server 'cause they love the youtuber idk

but in the end of they, you can easily make some revenue from that

[jade oasis]

Only other way is to have a super unique thing that focuses on a niche

[velvet crescent]

@eternal apex I will support your statement after he switches to FJ

[jade oasis]

For example pixelmon

[eternal apex]

pixelmon is the most boring and monotonous gamemode change my mind

[jade oasis]

Depends how you play it

[ebon shadow]

You cant really monetise a pixelmon server without giving fairly big advantages tho Scholtes

[jade oasis]

I only like playing it competitively

[trim raft]

[jade oasis]

Who said anything about that katsumag

[obsidian chasm]

@trim raft where is your coffee?

[ebon shadow]

Brett sleep needs you

[jade oasis]

Pixelmon makes tons of money cos its p2w

But you dont have to p2w to be good at it thats the best part

[obsidian chasm]

@trim raft You should take off your clothes. It's best way to be awake in long term. Just be naked

[trim raft]

Imagine playing pokemon go over pixelmon

@obsidian chasm please stop..

[fringe sigil]

What replaced MaterialData

[obsidian chasm]

No, no just listen me

[trim raft]

[ebon shadow]

^

[obsidian chasm]

they cannot make p2w

[trim raft]

@hidden gyro cough cough Hypixel cough cough

[obsidian chasm]

There is eula oh god

[jade oasis]

Only works once your as big as hypixel

[trim raft]

[eternal apex]

btw back to the original question, which was along the lines of "why do servers ignore the eula", the simple fact is that the eula is meaningless. The blocks mojang implements can be bypassed extremely easily, with no change needed on the client's end.

[jade oasis]

lmao eula

[trim raft]

Andrewkm a fucking legend

[ebon shadow]

Eula at this point is a joke

[trim raft]

[obsidian chasm]

Guys eula is not a shit on paper. It's minecraft community rule book. So please follow it

[ebon shadow]

We know that, and it's a server rule book, not the community guidelines

[jade oasis]

ducky what

Its not mc community rule book

[ebon shadow]

Buy it's not enforced well or consistently

[jade oasis]

where did you get that from

[fringe sigil]

EULA is EULA

[jade oasis]

Dont like p2w? Find a different server

[fringe sigil]

Like any other eula

[obsidian chasm]

@hidden gyro Consider your game play. If I spend 100$ for the sword and you're a normal player. I can kill you with one hit, so would you be happy with that?

It doesn't matter which game is. Pay to win is worst thing in games

[jade oasis]

Then dont spend $100 and play somewhere else

easy as that

[fringe sigil]

Arnt they those free domains you can get lol

[trim raft]

"canyouwildcardipsplease"

yes

anything that gives an in game advantage

[jade oasis]

Think you can make an EULA based non minigame server and still have enough revenue to run it? Go ahead

[trim raft]

Selling bathwater that gives + speed 10 would be against EULA

Don't ask why it gives speed

[obsidian chasm]

The EULA has changed some of the rules recently. I've take a look it...

[jade oasis]

They havent

[trim raft]

one more

[jade oasis]

They just made it a bit more clear

[trim raft]

allowed

[jade oasis]

Skep would you buy particles on a pvp server

I know I wouldnt

[obsidian chasm]

Those are cosmetic and not affect the gameplay

so you can sell them

[trim raft]

"damn those particles looking hella lit"

no one has ever said that.

[obsidian chasm]

but if you make any feature that affect gameplay like damage increase etc. it's not allowed

[jade oasis]

ah yes let me buy a chat color for a pvp game where you barely chat

[obsidian chasm]

no just buy ❤️ icon for your tag just 10$!

[jade oasis]

great deal

[trim raft]

hey guys, am waiting for this rank to go off sale to buy it

🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂

[jade oasis]

vanitymc style eh

[trim raft]

no, faithful mc

yes

[jade oasis]

yeah but vanity does it too

[trim raft]

they are hcf servers

so they give twice the not shits

[obsidian chasm]

Do you guys would like to support a unique and fun to play server?

[jade oasis]

vanity is hcf?

[trim raft]

right?

idfk they all blend in

[jade oasis]

i thought they did prison skyblock etc.

[trim raft]

1.7 + practice + who fucking cares

[obsidian chasm]

no 1.3.2 is better for pvp

[trim raft]

oh wait urite

vanity is skyblock n prison

legit the same theme

[obsidian chasm]

What about make report command for just ranks?

cubecraft

lol

[trim raft]

?????

[obsidian chasm]

cubecraft make it

I'm saying big networks are shit.

Just take a look at them

https://prnt.sc/sx2qqb

[trim raft]

yea look at this shitty fucking network getting all up in here with players and content and good gamemodes and shit. how fucking dare they be successful

ook that came off more aggressive than it was supposed to

[obsidian chasm]

You've to use shitty website for that

And not effective at all for the reports

They ignore website reports I'm sure about that

[trim raft]

Well thats cubecrafts loss, no one plays on there anyways

18k peak 3 years ago

[obsidian chasm]

So let's make a unique server together and get 250k players in one day!

[trim raft]

not possible kek

[obsidian chasm]

(we can make cracked and bot it ._.)

[trim raft]

no

like

not physically possible

[eternal apex]

i mean it kinda is

just hire gian

he can make it happen

[trim raft]

if hypixel can barely handle 100k what makes you think anyone else can handle 250k

[obsidian chasm]

They have separated bungeecord which can handle 250 players each

[trim raft]

inventivetalent got hired for hypixel recently though

😮

[obsidian chasm]

so we need to buy more dedicated for that

give me your moneys for that. I'm sending my paypal

[trim raft]

tbh i don't know a lot about hypixels back end outside of their dev blogs

idk if anyone really does

[eternal apex]

agentk probs does lol

[trim raft]

most we have seen of their back end is this

i forget what it is called

[obsidian chasm]

They don't 'cause no one thinks they get 50k+ player in one day lol

[trim raft]

its got a name tho

[eternal apex]

minetrack?

[trim raft]

?

no thats their backend panel for hypixel pe

guessing its somewhat similar to their java panel but idk

[obsidian chasm]

instance is bungeecord as I know

[trim raft]

MasterControl

thats it

the name of their java edition network panel

idfk why i went on a tangent but whatever

[obsidian chasm]

I really love the minecraft community nowadays. They're more gentle each other and try to avoid bullshits from their game play.

[trim raft]

[obsidian chasm]

nowadays* so I meant to say not for PvP community...

skep we're not AAC guideline -_-

Try to take a look its wiki or page that gives information about it

[ebon shadow]

GOOGLE IT

[boreal escarp]

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=aac+minecraft+anticheat+wiki

[obsidian chasm]

I'd like to know something; does the community like to play MMORPG in Minecraft? (instead of skyblock and factions...)

[ebon shadow]

Thats Wynncraft, no?

[obsidian chasm]

Yeah, we can say Wynncraft type.

[ebon shadow]

I generally enjoy Factions/Skyblock, something competative

[trim raft]

lol my wiki comes up second when you use that link

[obsidian chasm]

Bretty who are you ._.

[ebon shadow]

Brett is our lord and saviour

Also Skep he's a tier 3

[obsidian chasm]

So who am I? ._.

[fallow crow]

Did you actually just try that skep??

Lets not pretend like that didnt just happen

[velvet crescent]

back

What did I miss 👀

[fallow crow]

skep trying ?skeppy

cringe

[ebon shadow]

Not much Frosty

Ducky judging by your taste in music (Instrumental V (Violin???)), you're a Tier 1 scrub who should hire me and Frosty and pay us $25 an hour

:)))

[velvet crescent]

I mean you'll get what you pay for, so jack shit

[fallow crow]

Yo skep whats with you and the two numbers 6 and 9? Is something funny?

I dont get it

[ebon shadow]

Because you're not old enough AJ

[fallow crow]

i dont get it

[ebon shadow]

Google 69

[fallow crow]

i dont get it skep

[ebon shadow]

Actualy dont

[fallow crow]

mind explaining

[ebon shadow]

Bad idea

[obsidian chasm]

Frosty I'd like to hire you but not as a developer

[fallow crow]

katsumag ._.

skep mind explaining it to me

im a bit confused

mm?

[ebon shadow]

Yo skep if u pay me $6.90 /hr thats decent I guess

[fallow crow]

im just wondering why 6 and 9 are so funny to you, i dont think we need to get dr phil involved

?

[velvet crescent]

Ducky, not interested as I've got a project active, may I ask what else you'd hire me for tho 🤔

[ebon shadow]

Because hes immature AJ

Leave him alone

[fallow crow]

I just dont get it

[winged portal]

big words

[obsidian chasm]

@velvet crescent It will be secret and you will wonder in future ._.

[ebon shadow]

Yeah I don't think skep knows what they mean

[velvet crescent]

I mean good luck I guess

[winged portal]

photosynthesized*

[fallow crow]

I just wanna know what 6 and 9 means :((((

[velvet crescent]

Also, I'm surprised how this dude knows how to use google for useless things, just not the things he keeps asking in channels..

[ebon shadow]

AJ its a reference to 69, you know, 69

[fallow crow]

whats funny about that number??

[winged portal]

^

[obsidian chasm]

How should I shower?

[fallow crow]

I d o n t g e t i t

katsumag ._.

[obsidian chasm]

Oh I though this is google

[fallow crow]

im joking

[winged portal]

whats with 420

[obsidian chasm]

cent?

[fallow crow]

whats funny about that skep?

i d o n t g e t i t

[velvet crescent]

skep, not really, if you're looking at top tier applications it could be considered low

[ebon shadow]

Oh god

Enterprise software

[velvet crescent]

aka KiteBoard

[ebon shadow]

lol

[velvet crescent]

Don't you lol

It's facts.

[ebon shadow]

His animation lib is Industrial grade

[winged portal]

whats up with mr clipman

[velvet crescent]

Nah it's enterprise

[ebon shadow]

Updates

[velvet crescent]

Many reasons

[ebon shadow]

Random spontaneious shit

[velvet crescent]

Firstly, it's easier to work with someone who is up to date on how the things stand, is envolved within the community etc,
secondly convinience

[ebon shadow]

Being able to just tell someone to make what you want when you want it

Its essentially like a lawyer on retainer

[obsidian chasm]

If you find an important bug or need to update your plugin for some reason, you have to wait until hiring someone and some of the developer is not good at all and cannot use API at all. So hiring someone who works for long-term is good for your server in general.

[ebon shadow]

^

Convenience, you know they're good, you know them, you know you'll get support for updates, etc

[velvet crescent]

And usually no, it's like a job, if you aren't working you won't get paid, so same principle is applied here

[ebon shadow]

Unless you're salaried

[velvet crescent]

Also, most people who charge hourly, use either a recording software etc, which is reviewed so you can actually show how much work an hour is done

[fallow crow]

Speed = 0.25

ez

[ebon shadow]

You can tell if there typing speed is shockingly slow

[wary willow]

well if you want to stay another hour to edit that hour

you can

[velvet crescent]

You have eyes skep

Do you not?

[fallow crow]

Derp eyes

[velvet crescent]

Oh wait @fallow crow I installed the stats plugin, where do I view shit now

[wary willow]

but then why work on editing when you could work on programming?

[fallow crow]

theres a lil fella at the bottom

[wary willow]

well they see their work ...

[velvet crescent]

eh what

[fallow crow]

er

try Tools

how does server owners know if there actually good?
Is that the question you have to ask for suggestions?

at the top

[ebon shadow]

Somebody kill me now. I have to update it from 1.8 to 1.15.2, then 1.16 when it comes out, and I have to do QoL changes like MF

[fallow crow]

Lol

[obsidian chasm]

@ebon shadow delete it

[ebon shadow]

No

[fallow crow]

lol no clue frcsty

[ebon shadow]

I'm being paid fairly for once

I must complete it

Its going to be painful tho

[wary willow]

good luck xD

[velvet crescent]

katsu, I mean there's really not much changes from 1.8 -> 1.15 when it comes to larger stuff

When it comes to actual functionality

[ebon shadow]

Yeah but

Dependencies

You dont wanna see the build.gradle

[velvet crescent]

Yea that's the fun part lmao

[ebon shadow]

Some of them dont exist anymore

Sooooo

[fringe sigil]

Reboot intellij

[velvet crescent]

I already did

[fallow crow]

DO IT AGAIN!!

[fringe sigil]

Lol Im editing a two year old plugin of mine

[velvet crescent]

ok sheesh

[fringe sigil]

net Bean

[fallow crow]

all good people yes

[velvet crescent]

:c

[winged portal]

can a plugin be coded online in a brwoser?

[fallow crow]

I mean why

[velvet crescent]

I mean yea, use google docs to make it

[winged portal]

lmao really?

[fallow crow]

slides

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ox7KYJUmq-geOVLKfr1gqs5djrn5SbtYUyjZ4iZaXs4/edit

[velvet crescent]

You just need something which will compile it and run it

[winged portal]

ic

[velvet crescent]

Lmao AJ

[winged portal]

cool presentatino

will show it in my zoom class

[velvet crescent]

@fallow crow I see nothing still

[fringe sigil]

Slide 25 better be private...

Ok good its protected

[fallow crow]

ofc

top secret

[winged portal]

i like marcos

[velvet crescent]

Aj, help me.

[winged portal]

wait LOL

anyone can edit

[fringe sigil]

Idk go to your plugins

In intellij

[winged portal]

@fallow crow can i edit

[fallow crow]

its probably your fucked up aspect ratio 🙂

sure

its open to anyone

[winged portal]

even though i dont have any knowledge

about coding

[fallow crow]

just dont destroy others beautiful work

[fringe sigil]

Try view -> tool windows -> statistic

[winged portal]

wait nvm imma make another google presentation

[winged portal]

hey give me a random topic (excluding coding)

[fallow crow]

grapefruit

there for me frcsty

[velvet crescent]

might just be my 2 year old IJ version

[fallow crow]

[velvet crescent]

God damn it, I just wanna see how many lines this shit has ;c

[fallow crow]

what version you on?

[velvet crescent]

2018.3

[fallow crow]

https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/4509-statistic/versions

Click Show more, then scroll down to 2018

[velvet crescent]

Yea, now what?

[winged portal]

grapefruit?

is it an intelliji term or a topic for me

[fallow crow]

topic

[winged portal]

oo ok

[velvet crescent]

It's a grapefruit..

[fallow crow]

then click download frcsty

[winged portal]

say grapes

[fallow crow]

idk how tf to put a jar into ij tho btw

[winged portal]

or the purple marble fruit

[velvet crescent]

Wait can you not do this on the plugins page in IJ?

[fallow crow]

no clue, i just know you can get older versions through the website

[velvet crescent]

Might just get GH Pro for a month

[fallow crow]

lol

[velvet crescent]

I mean it's 4$ kek

[fallow crow]

send me your project if you just wanna know how many lines

[velvet crescent]

Cheeky

[obsidian chasm]

@velvet crescent I love your theme.

Would you please show me your any of your class?

[fallow crow]

big rip

[velvet crescent]

@obsidian chasm

[winged portal]

@fallow crow received it just now?

[fallow crow]

ye

an hour ago

[wary willow]

why do I feel like thats a scam?

[fallow crow]

no shit lol

[winged portal]

same

[fallow crow]

not even self hosted emails tho

ones from a proper hosting site

[winged portal]

do you have a site tho?

[fallow crow]

yeah but its just one page that says In construction

[winged portal]

can you hack them back

or give them the slides

[fallow crow]

in seriousness lol idk what to do

like obviously i can change the password

But what do i do lol? Contact the hosting site? Is it their fault?

[winged portal]

awh gee

wish i could help

too busy making a slide about grapes

[obsidian chasm]

I love more darkness and lightness color on it like this;https://prnt.sc/sx3ubs

[velvet crescent]

I struggle to quickly read it if the background isn't dark and the colors aren't saturated

[winged portal]

anyone likes glitch.com

[velvet crescent]

Not even gonna google that

[ebon shadow]

https://paste.helpch.at/ewefodixis.cs Hey Frosty

Enjoy the stroke

[fringe sigil]

@fallow crow Its a scam

[velvet crescent]

can't you just bunch the maven's together?

[fallow crow]

well yeah

[fringe sigil]

@winged portal I know a couple who used it

[fallow crow]

But what do i do about it

[fringe sigil]

Nothing

[fallow crow]

Well they sent it through MY email

to my second account

[winged portal]

wait what

[fallow crow]

they have my email

They sent it from my work one to my personal

[fringe sigil]

Is it ont your website

Interesting

[winged portal]

is your work email attached to multiple devices?

[fallow crow]

yes

[fringe sigil]

Can you log into your work email?

[fallow crow]

yes

lemme check

[fringe sigil]

If so - view recent sent emails

[winged portal]

is it a gmail account

[fallow crow]

What concerns me is that it was sent to my personal one from my work one, does this mean everyone that ive emailed through my work one got this

[winged portal]

google should've notified you

[fringe sigil]

What concerns me is that it was sent to my personal one from my work one, does this mean everyone that ive emailed through my work one got this
@fallow crow My thoughts

[fallow crow]

its a custom domain email

[winged portal]

oh my bad

[fringe sigil]

But.. the company would understand

[fallow crow]

wdym

[fringe sigil]

This happens all the time

[fallow crow]

This is actually a bit of a security risk if they can READ my emails

[fringe sigil]

Its unlikely they have access to your email

Usually spoofed

[fallow crow]

This is interesting

On my panel theres like a default account that isnt linked to a domain, and when you email from it it comes up as like [e-mail]

And thats what it was sent trhough

so its probably not actually the account

but ill double check the sent anyway

And if its not, is there anything I can do about it?

[fringe sigil]

I dont know

[eternal apex]

it's literally junk mail lol

just ignore it

emails can be spoofed with ease

[winged portal]

whats spoofing

[fallow crow]

lol alright

[fringe sigil]

They fake sender address

[winged portal]

oh so like

[fallow crow]

its just weird that it got sent to me, if it got sent to me would it of got sent to everyone ive emailed?

[winged portal]

i can send an email with your domain

[fringe sigil]

its just weird that it got sent to me, if it got sent to me would it of got sent to everyone ive emailed?
@fallow crow Possibly

[fallow crow]

big oof

[eternal apex]

maybe it was targetted aj, but even then, you've got nothing to worry about

[fringe sigil]

Im not sure how they would only send it to you, since its pretty much automated

[fallow crow]

[velvet crescent]

So I keep disabling the duplicate code checks, and it always just resets it back??

[fringe sigil]

fix the duplicate code

[velvet crescent]

It's from two different plugins, which serve completelly different purpouses

Meaning that's not possible

[fringe sigil]

Disable it programatically

Supress warnings on class or something

[velvet crescent]

You opped

[sturdy bobcat]

think about it logically skep

Keeping Inventory

is false

[fallow crow]

LOL

[sturdy bobcat]

You're just crazy bro

the items aren't there because the gamerule is false

delusion

[fringe sigil]

Я пришёл дать эту песню

[sturdy bobcat]

Нет

what

[obsidian chasm]

you mean pork of spigot?

[fallow crow]

Skep for what im guessing your playerbase looks like you will probably be fine with paper

no need to be different

[sturdy bobcat]

if you've got especially shitty hosting specs

go for tuinity

[obsidian chasm]

he's making 1.8 pvp server...

[fallow crow]

just use paper

no need to be different especially for your playerbase

[velvet crescent]

Go custom 😏

[winged portal]

for which server was spigot initally developed?

[velvet crescent]

Wdym by that?

[sturdy bobcat]

Logic pls

[fringe sigil]

It wasnt I dont think

[wary willow]

yeah I think it was developed for general public and not for a particular server

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/history-of-spigot/#origins

[winged portal]

wait i think i saw it somewher

nevermind my bad

[fallow crow]

Im disappointed in myself

from a year ago

pastebin

skript

[velvet crescent]

Disguisting

[wary willow]

why are you disappointing yourself?

you evolved ...

[cobalt hamlet]

Got a fun poll for you cool people. I've been thinking about it for a while.

Are config devs real devs?

🇾 Yes
🇳 No

[sturdy bobcat]

They just change from true to false

[cobalt hamlet]

First of all, tell me what you think is the definition of a developer

[fallow crow]

lets go with the official one

A developer is an individual that builds and create software and applications.

[fringe sigil]

what about property developers 😦

[wary willow]

anyone know how they made a fakevote by clicking a button on testplugins.com? I know the command just wanted to see how you make it execute when you click the button

[cobalt hamlet]

^ lolol

[sturdy bobcat]

A developer would be someone who actually knows and practices a coding language, Config devs don’t exist, they’re configurations, not developers

[cobalt hamlet]

I see your point

[wary willow]

configurators

[velvet crescent]

https://config.dev

[fallow crow]

is the page not found the joke?

[sturdy bobcat]

With that, I wouldn’t consider anyone who only does a language like skript a developer, I would consider them also a configurators

[wary willow]

The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.

xD

[fallow crow]

Is that the joke

lol

[cobalt hamlet]

But if a developer makes a plugin to get something done, a configurator could do it using an already existing plugin. I'm not saying that configurators are better than actual developers who code, I'm just saying that configurators develop too.

[wary willow]

well if you take the developer word it doesn't just refer to programmers

[sturdy bobcat]

Developers create the plugins configurators configurate

[velvet crescent]

They don't develop

They configure

[wary willow]

so yeah other people can develop things to

[velvet crescent]

There's a diference

[wary willow]

what if I make a menu in deluxemenus? is that a configuration as well?

[sturdy bobcat]

Yes

[velvet crescent]

Yes..

[cobalt hamlet]

Look at some popular plugins like, essentials, deluxemenus, mycommand, stuff like that. When you add that to a server, it just doesn't look good. Configurators make that look good. They make menus with deluxemenus, commands with mycommand and they could do so much other stuff to make a server look better. That is developing too. They are developing a server.

[fallow crow]

developing things != developer
developing things can be anything, it could be making food, you are developing food, a developer is A developer is an individual that builds and create software and applications.

[wary willow]

I am not saying that I am a developer just to be clear but I think there are many small things that need to be considered if you want to take the literal meaning of the word

well Aj

[sterile parrot]

a configurator isn't a thing in my opinion

[wary willow]

what about property developers 😦

Niall

[velvet crescent]

You aren't creating something Sheep, you're editing it

[wary willow]

a developer is not just a person who develops software and applications

[fallow crow]

is a chef a developer?

[velvet crescent]

Yes

[fallow crow]

they develop food tho

[wary willow]

well yeah but with DM for example. I get the tools and I use them as I want I don't just change false or true

[obsidian chasm]

So mother also a developer?

[sterile parrot]

a chef is a cook

[fallow crow]

but they develop food

[sterile parrot]

they don't develop food

the food develops itself as it grows

[wary willow]

they make food

[sterile parrot]

on a plant

[cobalt hamlet]

Frosty, the plugins themselves are bad when you add them to a server. I am saying that the developer works with the plugin to make the server look better. They are developing on the server. The are developing the server.

[sterile parrot]

all they do is mix and cook them together to make a dish

[obsidian chasm]

So the world itself is a best developer?

[winged portal]

woah

[fallow crow]

I dont classify web developers as developers either 😛

[winged portal]

they are "web developers"

[sterile parrot]

web developers are definitely developers

[velvet crescent]

Sheep no.

[fallow crow]

like technically yes but like

ew

[velvet crescent]

That's not the case at all, you're customizing something, that doesn't make you a developer

[winged portal]

all devs are equal

[wary willow]

I mean I think that when its about programming a developer is a person that uses a programming language

[sterile parrot]

that's like saying netflix infrastructure isn't build by developers

[winged portal]

whether config or web

[wary willow]

yeah like frosty said

[fallow crow]

Does changing your netflix preferences make you a developer?

You are configuring it

[sterile parrot]

configuring something isn't developing

[fallow crow]

ye

[winged portal]

ok nvm

developing means making something from scratch

[cobalt hamlet]

To develop is to make something.

[obsidian chasm]

Developing meaning is develop something not creating yeah?

[velvet crescent]

That is not true Sheep

[winged portal]

configuring means editing something someone made

[velvet crescent]

I make food, that isn't considered developing

[winged portal]

food developer

[sterile parrot]

also not true

[winged portal]

there

[sterile parrot]

you are all completely wrong and have taken too much weed

[fallow crow]

but technically you are developing a server

[sterile parrot]

go do something useful

[wary willow]

well what if I edit someones plugin but by using java? am I not a developer?

[fallow crow]

TECHNICALLY wouldnt that make you a dev?

[winged portal]

can we hold a debate night

[fallow crow]

(I dont agree that configurers are devs btw)

[winged portal]

this would be very interesting

[fallow crow]

#debate 🤔

[winged portal]

yes

[sterile parrot]

could make a one time channel

optionally joining

[winged portal]

yes yes yes

[fallow crow]

@maiden mulch is a scammer do not trust anything he offers

still waitin on #food

[wary willow]

we vote for topics every day xD

or week

[sterile parrot]

but that would require staff attention at all times and a lot of maturity

[fallow crow]

@fallow crow DM @honest thistle to report

just make it NSFW

ez

no moderation whatsoever

[cobalt hamlet]

Though that's why people say Plugin Developer and Configuration Developer.

[wary willow]

well we are having a lot of debates here as well. we just move them to another channel.

[sterile parrot]

I'm a software engineer

[fallow crow]

How do I report a scammer?

[sterile parrot]

that's also my title at work

[fallow crow]

DM @honest thistle

[wary willow]

@fallow crow DM @honest thistle

[sterile parrot]

@fallow crow DM @honest thistle with all information!

[velvet crescent]

When you wonder why something doesn't work and you forgot to register the event :c

[fallow crow]

Do any of you do plugin development/config

I just got scammed but I still need job done

[cobalt hamlet]

What do you want done?

[fallow crow]

Crackshot plugin configured

[sterile parrot]

#716864119835459584 #716864121043419167

[fallow crow]

Yes I know those channels exist

Just asking you right here right now

[cobalt hamlet]

Never did that before so I don't know how to make that.

[fallow crow]

Okay

[sterile parrot]

how hard can it be to configure a plugin

[sturdy bobcat]

It isn't difficult at all

[fallow crow]

Well i may also need new stuff added into plugin

[sturdy bobcat]

Configurating a plugin is literally as simple as changing true to false and copy and pasting stuff

[cobalt hamlet]

You can't make a deluxemenus menu without having any knowledge at all about how it works.

[fallow crow]

Yeah so does anyone want to do it

[sturdy bobcat]

You absolutely can

[fallow crow]

Anyone that doesn’t want to scam me

[wary willow]

thats why the wiki exists Sheep

[sturdy bobcat]

Considering the plugin has 3 examples of what to do and how to do it inside the plugin

[cobalt hamlet]

Yea

[sterile parrot]

why not do it yourself though

why waste money on configuring

[sturdy bobcat]

Configurating plugins is probably the easiest thing to do, Hence why configurators != developers

[cobalt hamlet]

Well he probably doesn't know how to do it

[sturdy bobcat]

Well you see

[fallow crow]

I’ll figure it out

[sturdy bobcat]

there's a magical thing called google

that some people don't know exist

[sterile parrot]

I mean how can you not know how to configure something

[fallow crow]

I figured someone else could do it faster

to be fair some people just dont have time

[sterile parrot]

it's just setting values to keys?

[fallow crow]

and its easier to pay someone

[sturdy bobcat]

if you dont have time to configure one plugin, don't work on servers

[sterile parrot]

^^^^

[cobalt hamlet]

What's the difference between making a plugin for a GUI and configuring an already existing plugin?

[fallow crow]

I understnad hiring someone to config, only the tedious stuff tho

[sturdy bobcat]

the only plugin i understand needing to pay someone for

is ShopGUI+

cause that's an ass to deal with

[obsidian chasm]

There're N teams and each team must be opponent all of the teams. What is the formula for that?

[sturdy bobcat]

wot

[willow oracle]

What a discussion

[obsidian chasm]

Just math question ._.

[sturdy bobcat]

What's the difference between making a plugin for a GUI and configuring an already existing plugin?
Making a plugin for a GUI requires basic Java knowledge and logic, Configurating an existing plugin is copy and pasting shit and changing a few values

[cobalt hamlet]

Yea

what's the difference between the end result

[sturdy bobcat]

There's not one, The difference is the fact that one of them requires more than 3 braincells

[cobalt hamlet]

Yea then what's the point of making a plugin for something while you can already do it with another pre made plugin

[willow oracle]

I dont have 3 brain cells

[fallow crow]

more customizability in some cases i guess

[willow oracle]

But i make plugins

[sturdy bobcat]

Where would that plugin be without actual developers that did the code

Whos making these plugins that you're configurating?

developers

It's no comparison

[willow oracle]

Configurators make those plugins

[sturdy bobcat]

Shut up

;)

[willow oracle]

<3

[sturdy bobcat]

[willow oracle]

You know i dont mean it

Do u still love me

[sturdy bobcat]

yes

[willow oracle]

Marry me love

[sturdy bobcat]

i thought you'd never ask

[willow oracle]

《3

[sturdy bobcat]

also developers are people who have the will to learn a coding language to create something

[fallow crow]

One more level to dark blue 😮

[cobalt hamlet]

I'm not saying that configurators are better than developers. What I'm saying is that what's the between making a plugin for something and doing it with another pre made plugin

[sturdy bobcat]

a configurator is a 13 year old that woke up on a tuesday and wanted to make a server

[willow oracle]

Yes ori

I woke up on a Tuesday yesterday

[sturdy bobcat]

so do I

[woven prairie]

In relation to the config guys being “real devs”, they aren’t. They’re simply expanding and customizing on an existing product. That’s like saying changing from lite to dark mode makes you a dev

[sturdy bobcat]

what a coincidence

[willow oracle]

Lol

[fallow crow]

No.

[willow oracle]

But im 16 not 13

[sturdy bobcat]

^

[fallow crow]

Changing from lite to dark mode changes you from a fake dev to a real dev 😎

[willow oracle]

Ur 16 too

?

Lmao

[sturdy bobcat]

almost

[willow oracle]

Ur 14

[sturdy bobcat]

im 16 inrter

[woven prairie]

I’m also almost 16 ;O only 4 years to go

[sturdy bobcat]

i cant count

[willow oracle]

Lol

Ikr gian

[sturdy bobcat]

I'm 16 in 8 years

[cobalt hamlet]

Eh I understand

[fallow crow]

imagine not being 16 ;-;

[cobalt hamlet]

Thanks for the good debate

[willow oracle]

No it didnt take me 10 seconds to type

I just forgot to press send

[cobalt hamlet]

I have 1 more brain cell now

[willow oracle]

So 4

[cobalt hamlet]

yea

[sturdy bobcat]

on a real note im 16 in 41 days

[willow oracle]

Early hbd

Ima forget

[sturdy bobcat]

despite the fact i look like im 7 years old

[willow oracle]

Ill have forgotten before i get home

I know a 17 yo who looks like hes 12 if he shaves

Lol

But tbf so do i

Im just too lazy to shave

[sturdy bobcat]

you're all jealous of my download speed

[fallow crow]

👀

[sturdy bobcat]

if your peak download speed is higher than 200kb

don't talk to me

okay damn

what is that

[fallow crow]

dude

just fucking use paper

[sturdy bobcat]

^

[fallow crow]

idk what it is but im sure papers fine for your playercount

[sturdy bobcat]

well they're dumb

[fallow crow]

theres a reason its so popular

you dont need to be special

[sturdy bobcat]

i also wouldn't trust server jars from mc market

lol

[fallow crow]

why am i not suprised your friends use the term "trash"

thats probably their shitty ping tho

Or your shitty hosting

[sturdy bobcat]

or both

yikes

[fallow crow]

oof

WOW

3GB

NO WAY