or that google thing
#off-topic
light scaffold
untold hearth
I'm bored
light scaffold
the code generator one
sturdy bobcat
on what 
lament ember
Kotlin looks a bit more like python or swift though, I just don't like it
it has type inference
sturdy bobcat
Ah ye
lament ember
that's where I draw the line
light scaffold
type inference good
sturdy bobcat
who deleted that 
lament ember
type inference can cause problems though
light scaffold
type inference + static typing is the perfect recipe imo
honest thistleBOT
Okay Minions, now that nasty funnycube has left, let's start the revolution! BOW DOWN TO YOUR ONE TRUE KING.
fringe sigil
So does visual basic
light scaffold
uh oh
willow oracle
fringe sigil
Like kotlin
light scaffold
VB is ugly though
sturdy bobcat
fringe sigil
Excuse me
light scaffold
Dim
lament ember
I just like the way that everything has to be explicitly defined in Java, one of the main reasons I use it
light scaffold
but lombok isn't explicit definitions
mellow zinc
VB 
fringe sigil
Dim is just var
lament ember
I know
mellow zinc
niall do u really like vb, i cant tell if ur joking
light scaffold
Dim is ugly
untold hearth
kotlin is from 2011
lament ember
lombok just cuts out those really annoying, ugly getters and setters
fringe sigil
Did you know you can actually write pure binary
untold hearth
sorry, 2014
light scaffold
if you think java is ugly don't use it
fringe sigil
Like
mellow zinc
🤢
light scaffold
0101011
mellow zinc
why would u want to write in binary
untold hearth
.....
light scaffold
it fast
fringe sigil
Well you probably wouldn't
untold hearth
What do you think compilers.... do?
lament ember
I think parts of Java are ugly, I like the way methods are written but I hate seeing getters and setters, they just add extraneous code that isn't really necessary
mellow zinc
fast
fringe sigil
But assembly compiles to pure binary
lament ember
lombok just clears up things
untold hearth
No, lombok masks a shitty language with hacky code generation
And its trash to work with
light scaffold
wise words
fringe sigil
J# is rubbish they told me
pure bane
Man this sucks ass
mellow zinc
ah yes
lament ember
lombok saves me time, and it doesn't mean I have to look at ugly Kotlin code
untold hearth
NO WTF
lament ember
lol
untold hearth
I LOVE BILLY JOEL
lament ember
who's Billy Joel xD
light scaffold
he did old town road
lament ember
ah okay
untold hearth
LMFAO
light scaffold
/s /s /s
untold hearth
JMZBXVCKNZXBCJKHZXVBCHKJK
@sturdy bobcat are you on eu?
@lament ember also, youre a disgrace
sturdy bobcat
ye
pure bane
Idk if I should get a refund or wait
mellow zinc
refund
sturdy bobcat
wait
pure bane
Tbh I don’t want to cuz they are good seats
untold hearth
@light scaffold come play with us
light scaffold
I was just about to say
lament ember
@lament ember also, youre a disgrace
opinions
light scaffold
yes
mellow zinc
ok good seats - wait then
light scaffold
lombok is objectively bad
pure bane
But I paid a lot of money to not get what I purchased for 2 years
untold hearth
Kotlin is objectively not ugly
Its literally years of research into popular languages combined into a single one thats disgustingly pragmatic for all users
It is the one true language
light scaffold
the one language to rule them all
mellow zinc
if u really want to go to it then go, but if u got good seats then u might not have the opportunity again
lament ember
my opinion is that I think lombok cleans up code a bit and saves my lazy ass time, and Kotlin looks too much like something like Python or Swift and has type inference
light scaffold
java has type inference too
I got that reference
and what's wrong with type inference anyway
sturdy bobcat
gets reddit notification
"Look on r/casualUK to see what people in the uk are talking about"
fuck no
light scaffold
casualUK is great
untold hearth
@lament ember that is literally not true though...
tawdry apex
@lament ember I tried out lombok and use it sparingly
lament ember
I just don't like type inference, reminds me too much of JavaScript
pure bane
2020 is shit
pure bane
I just hope football season don’t get cancelled
sturdy bobcat
im having fun in 2020
mellow zinc
2021 will be worse with that attitude
untold hearth
Same as python
sturdy bobcat
I do hope football season is cancelled
light scaffold
lol
pure bane
I already paid 1500 bucks for season tickets
lament ember
JS does use type inference, so does Python, just terrible type inference
sturdy bobcat
fuck that sport 
untold hearth
No, it doesnt...
lament ember
type inference so bad you can convert a string to a boolean
light scaffold
js is dynamically typed
sturdy bobcat
both us and uk version
light scaffold
there are no types to infer
untold hearth
Thats not what type inference is
Type inference requires you to actually have static types
lament ember
type inference is where the program figures out itself what type to use
rather than you telling it what to use
light scaffold
type inference is only applicable in statically typed languages
untold hearth
THATS NOT TRUE
tawdry apex
thats type dynamics. like let a = ""; instead of let:String a = ""
sturdy bobcat
mellow zinc
nerds
untold hearth
val number: Int = 0 is the same as val number = 0
tawdry apex
^^
sturdy bobcat
kaliber you're the biggest nerd here
untold hearth
You cannot do that in JS
mellow zinc
no u
light scaffold
Typescript
sturdy bobcat
you'res o mean
lament ember
I don't ever wanna see val or var in any of my code
light scaffold
you'res
untold hearth
val and var arent even a part of the type in kotlin
sturdy bobcat
you'res
untold hearth
they are a part of the declaration of the property
they determine whether it is final or not
lament ember
I know
but usually when you use val or var it's instead of providing a variable type
light scaffold
because the type is inferred
there's no benefit to be gained from repeating yourself
untold hearth
This is just a problem of ignorance
lament ember
it's just opinions
untold hearth
I would highly suggest you actually try kotlin
lament ember
I have
untold hearth
Yeah, but your opinion is based on incorrect knowledge
sturdy bobcat
Kotlin is superior honestly 
light scaffold
auto var val
sturdy bobcat
I enjoy looking at kotlin from afar
sturdy bobcat
i'm too scared to learn it tho
tawdry apex
How do you determine superiority without experimentation?
I have no opinion on Kotlin because I've never tried
mellow zinc
@sturdy bobcat u learn kotlin and still sx will shout at u
lament ember
I never said Kotlin was bad, just said I didn't like it
tawdry apex
least fav lang?
mellow zinc
VB
lament ember
either JS or Python
tawdry apex
BrainFuck for me
lament ember
although C's static meaning local variable is beyond me
lament ember
by the way, anyone know a good way to auto-copy a generated jar file in IntelliJ to say a plugins folder?
lament ember
since the Windows built-in commands don't really work
and yes for some reason I still use Windows
mainly because of games
light scaffold
imagine not dual booting
tawdry apex
gradle good
lament ember
I prefer maven personally
tawdry apex
I used to dual boot. Switched to Ubuntu
lament ember
I don't dual-boot because the last time I tried to dual-boot it just wouldn't load GRUB
no matter what I did Windows Boot Manager always took priority
I got Windows 10 Pro though so I get free Hyper-V
I should probably install arch on a vm
light scaffold
manjaro > everything
lament ember
I prefer arch, gives you much greater control over your system
it's mostly built for advanced users though
light scaffold
never tried arch but manjaro is based off arch
lament ember
yeah I know
honest thistleBOT
mellow zinc
😭
wary willow
probably.
obsidian fable
First time making a 3d text thing stuff idk lol
velvet crescent
Nice watermark
untold hearth
@obsidian fable brb removing watermark and claiming as my own
velvet crescent
Damn someone removed my smexy VIP role Codiq
obsidian fable
velvet crescent
Feels bad
untold hearth
LOL
obsidian fable
xD
velvet crescent
What a nerd
obsidian fable
I took another screenshot lmao
velvet crescent
It's zoomed in more
untold hearth
duh its zoomed in
velvet crescent
Well cropped
untold hearth
But it looks... off
velvet crescent
Your 4head is off
untold hearth
I wonder if the lines give a false depth effect
safe meadow
Progress!! Made a Join/leave message plugin, however everything is still hard coded lol
fringe sigil
I get no where these days
sturdy bobcat
Roadhog's sharkbait skin reminds me of finding nemo
safe meadow
What do you need decided?
fringe sigil
everything
sturdy bobcat
@untold hearth SEASON 22 DO PLACEMENTS WITH ME HOE
sturdy bobcat
YELLS IN GAY
regal juniper
Bruh
sturdy bobcat
Sure 
lofty void
That’s right
untold hearth
Thank you
regal juniper
lofty void
Wait WTF was that @regal juniper 😂😂
regal juniper
Po3 is being updated btw. Rip dank nulls @lofty void
lofty void
Rip a lot of things
Modpack author recommended a world wipe.
Let’s see how broken shit will be without it
regal juniper
Uh oh
lofty void
Yeahhh.
regal juniper
Hopefully he made a backup before trying to update.
lofty void
But Brunyman is god, so he’ll probably find a way
Of course he did
Btw, I officially hate dynmap
Took hours to delete that damn plugin folder- you realise how many TINY files dynmap creates?! Like a crapton! OK
Andddd it’s suuuper slow to delete
untold hearth
Probably not
lofty void
Better than lua? 👀
untold hearth
definitely
I guess that depends on who you ask though
Its very much inspired by the one true language kotlin
But it has aspects of another languages
velvet crescent
Ew that color scheme
untold hearth
ok
willow oracle
Sup bois
untold hearth
@sterile parrot meh
lofty void
untold hearth
@lofty void your face is ew
safe meadow
😮
lofty void
Nope 🙂
velvet crescent
@boreal escarp Just saw a member in your discord, I want to pick my eyes out with a fockin spoon..
long summit
👀
untold hearth
This is true
lofty void
Luckily, your word doesn't make it the truth 😄
lofty void
@wary willow I'll just move to here instead xD
https://paste.helpch.at/kebazapika.pl I had an idea to use something like this- and it DOES parse the placeholder in chance, but the message just ends with "<chance=100>" 😦
lofty void
Oh I see what you mean, yeah I guess it's possible it makes it a string without it, and that's why it doesn't work? I'll try
wary willow
idk what it does if you don't put the type that's why you should at least try
oh wait nvm. I just read what you've said again but if it still returns chance = 100 maybe it just doesn't work
btw chance doesn't work like that
so it doesn't chose 1 from all those
it is a chance for that action to be executed
lofty void
Exactly
wary willow
but yeah if it just sends the <chance> with the message idk
lofty void
So what I'm trying to do is having the first set of 3 lines have a chance of 100, while all the rest have a chance of 0. That should make all the first 3 execute and none of the others
wary willow
oh I understand now but I don't know maybe the chance thing doesn't support placeholders
you should ask clip about that
maybe he will even make it support palceholders
lofty void
I don't think it does either 😛
Yeah, this is what it does, it does parse the number, but it parses it as a part of the message
Yeah, don't think y ou can change chance on the fly, it's probably loaded when you reload or load in the plugin
Yeah, don't think y ou can change chance on the fly, it's probably loaded when you reload or load in the plugin
Wonder what clip is working on today.
lofty void
xD It was just a proof of concept, but it didn't work
willow oracle
Yeah I'm guessing chance loads on startup, not at runtime
lofty void
He was purely a placeholder.
Exactly
Would be dope to be able to change it on the fly
wary willow
looks like he is in #general-plugins-2
lofty void
I love you ❤️
pure bane
Chance and delay regex was only detecting a number before
If chance fails to parse to a double
It will default to 0
So no chance on fail
lofty void
I didn't understand much of that xD but I'll test it out
pure bane
Before it was searching for a specific pattern in chance and delay
Where the value always had to be a number when it’s loaded not when opened
lofty void
It is correctly showing only one message and ignoring the rest, but it doesn't seem to move on to the next message and it's giving some errors. It's possible I just messed up the menu, I'll re-do it and test again, 1 sec
pure bane
Let me see the error
lofty void
It was because I used:
[meta] set DialogueTwo INTEGER 100 0
Thought it was:
[meta] set <key> <type> <value> <defaultvalue>
But removing the last digit made it work 🙌
pure bane
ah ya
lofty void
🙏 My prayers have been answered
pure bane
what u donna do with that
lofty void
Oh this opens up so many doors. It means that I can do a single item and manipulate the lore/display_name with meta strings, and not have to do duplicate items for every possible combination
pure bane
u lost me haha
lofty void
Well, basically
1 sec
https://paste.helpch.at/osukiroyan.pl these 18 lines is all that is required to do that gif I sent, had this NOT been possible, it would've looked more like this:
https://paste.helpch.at/pojekixamo.bash
And that's only in it's most minimal form, where it has no lore, no other requirements or anything. It would get exponentially larger the more options I add to it.
Basically, this is similar to how you made the click_commands, it makes menus much much smaller if they decide to utilize this
BUT, there are sure to be plenty of other benefits of being able to change chance on the fly
@wary willow Did you see this masterpiece? 🙏
wary willow
?
lofty void
Clip fixed chance
lofty void
Oh right
wary willow
oh I thought you have another idea for it
lofty void
Oh I do
wary willow
yeah I thought you already implemented it
I am working on the NPC talk rn
it is going so nice
lofty void
Nah, I haven't started that menu yet 😅 . But I'll use this a lot
pure bane
i still dont get it haha
wary willow
yeah it does look nice. RN I have no idea on how to use it but I have other ideas that I am working on so I don't rly have time for another one
clip the chance message works like this rn: you give an action a 50 chance and another one the same 50 chance it doesn't have a 50% chance to chose 1 of them but rather a 50 chance of either executing it or no
so it could execute both action
or none at the same time
but now he can make it so the chance is to execute only one of them
not all of them
or non of them
so it will always execute only one of those actions
lofty void
https://paste.helpch.at/osukiroyan.pl
Well, this one makes it so that all left_click_commands are at chance=0, except the first 3. Then the message gets sent, it changes the chance of the first 3 commands to 0, it sets the chance for the 2nd set of commands to 100, and then it runs the next 3 commands. And then it just keeps going like that
So in short, this basically means I can have an "IF" in left_click_commands, in a way.
pure bane
I mean if it works
lofty void
What's up?
wary willow
oh man when I started i didn't know what lines the npc should have now I can't stop making them. I made like 20 lines in 10 minutes
and I have more in mind
pure bane
So we have deny commands that can be executed right
lofty void
Yeah?
pure bane
When a single requirement is not met
What about success commands u can set per requirement
wary willow
so if 1 requirement is met but not all of them it will execute commands?
this is my js rn
pure bane
It will execute regardless if others are met or not
Only if that requirement is met
I’ll show an example after dinner
wary willow
I see what you mean. That would be nice. I can't think of something I am going to do with it rn but that is what I said about /dm execute and meta
and now I can't stop using them
lofty void
'1':
display_name: "&f1"
material: MINECRAFT:STONE
slot: 37
priority: 1
left_click_requirement:
requirements:
SuccessOne:
type: has meta
key: Counter
meta_type: INTEGER
value: 1
SuccessTwo:
type: has meta
key: Counter
meta_type: INTEGER
value: 2
SuccessThree:
type: has meta
key: Counter
meta_type: INTEGER
value: 3
SuccessFour:
type: has meta
key: Counter
meta_type: INTEGER
value: 4
success_SuccessOne_commands:
- "[message] &dBarry&8> &fHey, what do you want?"
success_SuccessTwo_commands:
- "[message] &dBarry&8> &fHey! Speak up!"
success_SuccessThree_commands:
- "[message] &dBarry&8> &fWhat's wrong with you!?!"
success_SuccessFour_commands:
- "[message] &dBarry&8> &fleft"```
So something like that? Just an example. That would be really dope, that way you could ACTUALLY make IF's in the click_commands@muted fern ty for the discord banner, just got around to putting it on the plugin and it looks way better lol
lofty void
Can I see it, maffie?
pure bane
Yeah henk similar
lofty void
that would be dopeeeeeeeee
pure bane
Would need to setup an optional thing tho
So like u define if the requirement is optional
And a way to set the amount of requirements be met
I’ll show an example of that too in a bit
Cuz right now as soon as one fails
It denies
So like open requirement
Need to make a way to make the requirement optional so if they don’t meet it, the main requirement would still be met and it will be opened
willow oracle
lofty void
Aight xD sounds good. as long as you have a gameplan and know how to do it then all good. But remember a minute ago when you didn't understand how i was going to use chance? Yeah, that's me right now
pure bane
If I write an example menu of the usage u will get it
lofty void
Yeah, probably
willow oracle
Henk at the bottom of the page
lofty void
That's dope though, funnycube is really talented
lofty void
I joined to see if there was a discord banner there
and then I realized what you mant
meant*
lofty void
👀
pure bane
I’m gonna work on this optional stuff in a diff branch
If ur on in like an hour I’m gonna hop in voice and I’ll explain what this will do
lofty void
I SHOULD be. But I'm feeling that I'm starting to get sick #Covid19, so I might call it an early night. but just hit me up when, and if I don't respond then you'll know that I've gone to sleep xD
willow oracle
Henk you Dutch?
lofty void
Swedish
willow oracle
Oh
lofty void
But you have no idea how often I get that question
lofty void
or people just speaking dutch to me xdD
Yeah, I know.
But it's from Henrik, Henke for short. But you can't really properly pronounce "henke" in english, it just sound weird as hell
so I knocked off the E, and so I go by Henk
willow oracle
Ah
@sterile parrot why are you not on my members list
wtf
Wait it showed you were online
But ur not
What the fuck
lofty void
SIKE, he blocked you
willow oracle
Lol maybe
Fuck
I made a ban command
Banned myself
And don't have an unban command
Time to delete the punishments file LMAOOO
wary willow
oh finally. 37 lines for the npc and after you finish the discussion it resets. even with a delay. xD
over 3 hours of pain trying to find a way to do it
sterile parrot
@willow oracle ?
boreal escarp
@obsidian fable is your server offline?
and why is the other server 1.8 - 1.11 bruh
fair island
light scaffold
...
that's like saying maven and Java are the same thing
one's a programming language and the other is a platform agnostic build tool
light scaffold
Can't guarantee it
fallow crow
oof
open locust
@fair island vk blacklisted you because you leaked his TokenEnchant...
light scaffold
🤨
open locust
he just does not believe you when you said "sorry, i won't do that again"
regal juniper
Yikes.
open locust
ya.
regal juniper
Don't leak stuff people.
light scaffold
wise words
open locust
agree ^
light scaffold
I'm not a fan of obfuscation and closed sourcing but leaking work that has had a lot of effort put into is scummy
open locust
obfuscation in java does not mean much
light scaffold
no it doesn't
regal juniper
At least TokenEnchant has a legitimate API.
light scaffold
because it's harder to hook into the plugin if it's obfuscated
yeah idk I've never used TE
regal juniper
We're trying to do some stuff with CMI and their "API" is literally the plugin without any logic in it.
open locust
?? you just need to invoke public API, right?
regal juniper
It's kinda hard to test it.
open locust
usually public API (methods signatures are not obfuscated), right?
light scaffold
Didn't realise there was an API for TE
regal juniper
TokenEnchant has an awesome API.
open locust
if anyone obfuscate public methods... that's dumb..
light scaffold
indeed
light scaffold
custom enchants are surprisingly simple
open locust
yes.
and i twisted vk's arm hard enough,
now all CEs are magically proper Enchantments.
regal juniper
Good work.
light scaffold
instead of just lore?
light scaffold
Ah nice
open locust
and it supports old Enchantment (with different constructor signature)
light scaffold
old enchantment = the int constructor?
open locust
ya,
light scaffold
Pretty nice
open locust
Enchantment's const changed with (int) to (Namekey)
so, if your custom enchant is extending Enchantment, you would need to make two versions (one for old, one for new)
light scaffold
yeah which is annoying
light scaffold
I'm actually not sure how you would do that
I suppose class generation could work
open locust
ya, i saw vk was scratching his head quite sometime to implement that part.
open locust
he initially had api but that would make CE developers to change their code.
and i said "na, i'm not going to do that"
so he implemented a new method.
open locust
and all my old CEs are now treated as Enchantment
light scaffold
Nice one
open locust
i can even use Essentials command/kit
regal juniper
Show him who's boss, purple.
open locust
i'm the boss.
regal juniper
Tell him you won't put up with his API changes 😎
fair island
When did I leak it??????
light scaffold
wait do Enchantment implementations work in Essentials kits??
fair island
I never fucking leaked it ever
open locust
you did (when vk, helpchat, etc, had support channels on Skype)
fair island
Where
open locust
i dont' know, your name is still on leakers list.
fair island
I legit can not remember doing that and if I did, I'm extremely sorry for how Inmature I was then...
light scaffold
🍿
regal juniper
I'm kinda glad I wasn't here for the Skype days of HelpChat.
fair island
I wish I could clear my name but I guess what's done is done :/
regal juniper
Skype in general was a mess.
fair island
I honestly hate how I was and how I still am
@open locust is there a way I can talk to vk...?
open locust
your leak was first reported in early 2016
fair island
Damn I was such a dick head back then I'm really sorry
You won't realise I genuinely mean it, but I really do.
honest thistleBOT
FAQ Answer:
fair island
@open locust is there no way at all to prove how sorry I am for my actions in the past....? I'm honestly a totally different person from back then. I do really feel bad for what I did I now realise how bad that was.
What if I need support for the plugin...?
open locust
i thought you have your own plugins now.
fair island
I do work for other people who use tokenenchant
open locust
then those people who purchased TE can request support
fair island
I am a customer and you're denying support to me as a paying customer?
I can prove I own the plugin if you need me to
I mean I've moved on from doing things like that....... I'm sorry for what I did I really am
Why won't you give me the chance to prove I'm a new person? That dick who did that is long gone.
I don't even know how to contact vk...
Your verification system doesn't work for the discord so
How can I contact "vk"
regal juniper
That minersx website is cool xenforo form but their ban site is not mobile friendly
fair island
Who's deleting the messages?
open locust
what sort of website building frameworks/tools are recommended? xenforo?
fair island
For forums?
regal juniper
Xenforo is great for forum stuff, kinda like SpigotMC uses. It's used a lot in the Minecraft community.
open locust
hmm, i don't have enough $ ....
regal juniper
It's an all-in-one solution kinda
And you can get themes and plugins and stuff for it
light scaffold
Make your own forum software in spring or something
fair island
I would like to pm you to try and get everything sorted for once and for all but you won't accept dms
open locust
hmm, make your own... sounds good but then i need to look after site and framework.
open locust
ya, i agree with the "fun" part.
fair island
Thepurplehoser, is there a way we can talk privately?
open locust
is that Java framework?
open locust
ah, i've heard that before but is that still commonly used?
light scaffold
Spring boot incorporates an ORM, dependency injection, DTOs for SQL, web request handling and pretty much everything else
Very much so
I would really recommend spring
I've never made anything good in it but it's fun
open locust
sounds nice. i will look into that! thanks!
open locust
i told vk that he should have eCloud like for CEs
regal juniper
Lol
open locust
his reply was "then, you make it"
light scaffold
I would've expected some fancy new js framework for mcbanners
fair island
@open locust how can I contact you and vk privately?
light scaffold
ooh nice
regal juniper
We use the same stuff Netflix does
Yeah
Netflix wrote an add-on for spring that allows you to spin up instances via a single command and connect them to an API that will automatically load balancer.
open locust
hmm, these web related things.. i need to learn..
light scaffold
that's pretty cool
regal juniper
So if we need to expand to another machine we just start it up and it'll load balancer
light scaffold
that's actually very cool
regal juniper
It'll also load balance cache too
light scaffold
I was just about to ask about cache lol
regal juniper
We literally can cache with just 2 annotations
light scaffold
and that's why spring is awesome
regal juniper
So for spigot stuff our cache lasts about 4 hours or so and spigots stuff lasts about 6 hours
So every 4-6 hours your banners stats update
light scaffold
At this point I'm convinced spring is literally magic
is there anything it can't do?
regal juniper
Idk. There's still a lot for me to learn
But I love the cache stuff
It has implementations based on what's compiled
I think we're using caffeine?
light scaffold
idk enough about it to know what that means
but the automatic JpaRepository implementations are literal magic
regal juniper
regal juniper
It caches images and json stuff
regal juniper
light scaffold
wait do you store the images in memory?
regal juniper
And then line 34 tells that method to cache the response
Yeah, we do, for now, at least.
light scaffold
as base64 I'm guessing?
regal juniper
As an object
It's all open source if you want to dig around https://github.com/MCBanners
light scaffold
I'll definitely have a look
I'm no expert but since everything is split would that be classed as microservices?
regal juniper
😎
open locust
#metoo after I learnt spring....
regal juniper
😎
fallow crow
ehh
regal juniper
This looks like KORM
regal juniper
I mean they are both 4 letters
light scaffold
it's all got the vague idea of coming together
add value types
that would be cool
Probably
light scaffold
how do you usually do parsing?
untold hearth
I think I want collection literals
untold hearth
VECTORS?
untold hearth
Uhhhhh
?
A vector and a list are basically the same thing
Except theres 0 need for a vector type in a high level language
light scaffold
clojure would disagree apparently
I watched some video and a vector and list were defined differently
untold hearth
Ok, I see what you mean
In clojure land, a vector is like an array
And a list is like a linkedlist
light scaffold
I was literally just about to say that yeah
untold hearth
I would rather die before I introduce something like that in anything I have control over
light scaffold
I think that's completely fair to be honest
light scaffold
I don't want to imagine what it's like inside
untold hearth
And then you get into the lexing of numbers
light scaffold
it's not that bad
untold hearth
Give it time
The parser is going to be a beautiful mess
Have you looked at the parser of Korm?
Oh ya know.. its actually not bad
light scaffold
I can't say I have
untold hearth
light scaffold
Actually I think I did briefly
light scaffold
parsing is not fun
regal juniper
Told you it was KORM
light scaffold
yeah that's kinda hideous
light scaffold
jokes on you
I made an issue on korm once
Therefore I have the right to shittalk it too
untold hearth
An issue that was DROPPED
light scaffold
yes but only because I brought up a valid problem
light scaffold
It was NOT
untold hearth
Bruh
You cant type infer that shit with the field
The field could be an interface
light scaffold
what
light scaffold
I can make an issue about ItemStack not serializing properly if you want
untold hearth
Please do
untold hearth
NO
untold hearth
BAD
fair island
@hidden gyro what you mean by that
server.properties?
??
Caps at 100??
Wtf
I never had that before
woven prairie
@gleaming scroll Interesting concept. However, with no plugin limitations, whats your combat against malicious plugins, and plugins like HolographicDisplays and LiteBans that let users modify files in different locations? Plus, how'll you handle a whole bunch of inefficient/poorly optimised plugins that'll cause issues for other servers
gleaming scroll
@gleaming scroll Interesting concept. However, with no plugin limitations, whats your combat against malicious plugins, and plugins like HolographicDisplays and LiteBans that let users modify files in different locations? Plus, how'll you handle a whole bunch of inefficient/poorly optimised plugins that'll cause issues for other servers
@woven prairie I think I was a bit vague when I said unlimited plugins.
Due to a few networking tweaks and file size limitations, we have a central repository of plugins.
You can't add plugins that aren't on that list to your server. With that said, we're planning on adding thousands of plugins to that repository
fair island
A config somewhere is telling it whats the limit or maybe multicraft if you have that installed
woven prairie
So... I fail to see how this then really differs?
woven prairie
Yeah
gleaming scroll
fair enough to say
woven prairie
Aside from the pricing
gleaming scroll
They're similar enough - the biggest difference we have is how services are kept online
Minehut limits plugins and limits players, we limit neither
frigid jackal
Didn’t u also say we can have unlimited servers ?
gleaming scroll
Yep
frigid jackal
Not like just 2
light scaffold
Why not sandbox it to ensure that malicious plugins can't do anything
gleaming scroll
Everything's based off the "fuel" system
apart from anything else, we have our own Cobweb plugin on all servers for analytics and resource monitoring @light scaffold
light scaffold
hm ok
gleaming scroll
So unlimited servers just means we dont restrict how many servers you can create or launch, however, the more servers you have the more fuel you deplete.
Fuel is measured on a few things (currently as we're fine tuning exactly what, I'm not gonna say), but just as an example CPU and RAM usage.
fair island
Why won't you say...?
fallow crow
Whats the website name
woven prairie
So.. you've piqued my interest
So, how does your "free" plan, if you have, compare to theirs?
gleaming scroll
Why won't you say...?
@fair island because if we change what its measured off before launch i dont want people getting the wrong idea
So, how does your "free" plan, if you have, compare to theirs?
@woven prairie we dont have 'paid' plans
all servers are "free" - there's a few pros and cons to this
woven prairie
I assume fuel is what'd we'd buy, similar to credits?
gleaming scroll
pros - we don't lock anything to free players
cons - we currently don't plan on allowing you to increase ram allowances
Yeah
but you automatically get X fuel every day
fair island
?? @hidden gyro
frigid jackal
Can’t u also vote for fuel?
gleaming scroll
that amount again will vary - we're working on balancing it so you always have enough fuel to make a small server
vote for fuel?
frigid jackal
U said something about a daily vote ?
fair island
Ah yes
gleaming scroll
??
frigid jackal
U also said somthing about when u watch ads u get fuel ??
gleaming scroll
Yeah
fair island
You must have a plugin limiting it or your host is
frigid jackal
I sure u said that
woven prairie
I see now
gleaming scroll
We're working on integration with Google ads to allow you to watch a video ad
and in exchange get say 1 free fuel or something
frigid jackal
Don’t google ads cost money
fair island
Phil... You know that'll allow people to get unlimited fuel from that right?
frigid jackal
How u gonna afford this
gleaming scroll
Phil... You know that'll allow people to get unlimited fuel from that right?
@fair island Fuel works similar to fuel in a car
woven prairie
It'll be balanced tho
gleaming scroll
You can't just put unlimited fuel in your car
Eventually you'll fill your entire gas tank
regal juniper
Lewis be means he will put ads on the website.
fair island
No I mean about the ads
woven prairie
Watching an ad won't be unlimited
gleaming scroll
^
frigid jackal
Ohh that makes sense
fair island
Automate it
gleaming scroll
Apart from anything else Google won't approve that if we do that iirc
Also you can't transfer fuel to prevent abuse
woven prairie
The same way we have ads on servers for rewards using some service
fair island
People can automate ad watching
gleaming scroll
Yeah
frigid jackal
Isn’t there like a limit of 50 fuel I saw on the photo 5/50 fuel
woven prairie
Look at Playwire
gleaming scroll
That's just a concept/testing
frigid jackal
Couldn’t u make like multiple accounts to get more servers?
gleaming scroll
We haven't balanced fuel yet so don't take screenshots as anything
You could, yeah, but the network has an IP limit on it
Cobweb servers are all interconnected via a Velocity proxy
frigid jackal
Vpn?
gleaming scroll
We also don't let you start servers if you're using a VPN
regal juniper
Woot woot Velocity.
fair island
Phil, you know people can automate ad watching right...?
frigid jackal
How would u know if we using a vpn lol
woven prairie
That doesn't matter
gleaming scroll
I don't wanna sound bad, but the reason we run ads is to make money to cover hosting @fair island
fair island
Also, you won't be able to block all vpns I can bypass that. Surely
woven prairie
Also, most public VPNs are flagged as VPNs anyway
gleaming scroll
^
If we block the majority, but not all, that should keep network strain down
and if we find people who are abusing the system we can just shutdown their servers
fair island
F
gleaming scroll
on launch we have capacity for 60 active servers at one time, that's definite
woven prairie
Plus, I'm sure, ad watching will be balanced
You watch an ad, they get 1, they give you .4, they profit .6
Typa thing
fair island
Are they vps's or?
woven prairie
I'm sure . that's the structure
gleaming scroll
What's cool is we also have a dc2aws tunnel on our machines, so server coming-up time should be super fast
(server files are stored in aws then moved to a gameserver when you click start)
fair island
How long does that take?
gleaming scroll
From my tests, about 5 seconds
fair island
Damn
gleaming scroll
But that will vary based on network load
woven prairie
Can't wait to start a SkyBlock server and have a 200GB world
fair island
200gb world?
frigid jackal
...
fair island
Dafuq
woven prairie
lol
fair island
It's mostly air
gleaming scroll
But as to why we have a central plugin list - say we have Essentials, it's about 1.2mb. Say we have 800k servers after a few months, if 75% of those run essentials, that's approximately 720GB in Essentials.jar
@woven prairie file size limits
servers by default are capped to 1gb
if you hit that any cobweb network admin can raise your allowance
regal juniper
~1.6Mb
gleaming scroll
1.08TB
fair island
Phil, I like your blue badge on your pfp btw :D
regal juniper
You're capping servers file size at 1GB? Interesting.
frigid jackal
But by raising your ram wouldn’t your fuel like go down faster ?
regal juniper
That can be hit super fast.
gleaming scroll
So to combat that, all plugins are stored in an AWS bucket - when our daemon starts up, it downloads the plugin repository locally
Yeah lewis
@regal juniper I'm not entirely sure - I can't say for certain, I generated 17 test servers and that was 3GB with nothing on them so it may be a bit low
regal juniper
A birdie told me that it might be easier to compile EssX soon.
frigid jackal
So these servers won’t be for like big skyblock, prison servers etc?
woven prairie
But I wanna host my stuff 😦
regal juniper
It sounds like it's more for people who want to run a server to start and then see where thye go from there.
frigid jackal
Ye
gleaming scroll
But it's designed to enable communities of friends to make small servers
frigid jackal
It looks good for like test servers aswell
regal juniper
Lol Gian reminds me of uhh I'm blanking name but has a 1TB NVME dedicated solely to CoreProtect.
gleaming scroll
Probably not unless it's for public plugin focused test servers
woven prairie
😮
gleaming scroll
:low_whistle:
regal juniper
So do users have access to download the world files?
gleaming scroll
Yes
regal juniper
That's going to cause you a bunch of issues right there with premium plugin devs.
woven prairie
But
regal juniper
Hmm okay
woven prairie
How's it working
IE;
You buy PremiumPlugin.jar, can it then be used on ever sub server?
gleaming scroll
Spoken to Glare about that already
I'm not entirely sure, but we'd probably reach an agreement with plugin developers
Where you link your Spigot account to your Cobweb account, we then use an API provided by plugin devs to check if you're a buyer
If you are, you can add it to your server
regal juniper
They'll have to manually upload it somehow.
Cause I doubt devs will just give you a copy of the jar.
gleaming scroll
But as Glare pointed out, there's issues currently with Spigot buyer APIs
@regal juniper We're willing to pay for the plugin to get our own copy of the jar
frigid jackal
U could always go buy every premium plugin on spigot
gleaming scroll
https://i.imgur.com/EEgPXTt.png the way we add plugins is just by a drag-n-drop interface on our admin panel
frigid jackal
Wait so we will have to install plugins via the like plugin search on the website
gleaming scroll
Yeah
woven prairie
Reminds me of BukGet
woven prairie
xD
gleaming scroll
as in you can probably install 2 plugins in 5 seconds via search
frigid jackal
Couldn’t u like connect your plugin install page with spigot so why ever spigot plugin u wanna install u search it then it grabs it from spigot or somthing ?
gleaming scroll
We could, but a lot of plugins will need to be forked for our network
Such as disabling autoupdaters at a jar-level
regal juniper
I mean I suppose you could try that but yeah you have a global jar and they would provide proof they own it via the developer of some sort.
gleaming scroll
Yeah, again, not something we plan to offer right now but would be nice in the future.
regal juniper
Lots of premium plugins attach data to it on download.
gleaming scroll
Will be a headache for another day.
gleaming scroll
We aren't running it?
gleaming scroll
We'll probably add integration for Enjin, Tebex and CraftingStore
I don't know enough about Nameless to know what we can and can't do with it
frigid jackal
Namelesshosting is amazing
woven prairie
I see
frigid jackal
I use it lol. Way better then enjin
woven prairie
You plan on using 1.15? Or, allowing guys to select?
gleaming scroll
1.15
frigid jackal
No 1.8 severs ?
gleaming scroll
When a server gets started, it uses the daemon's "base server"
woven prairie
I see
gleaming scroll
For our public beta we just want the network to be functional
Currently closed alpha
regal juniper
Me too ^
gleaming scroll
We'll be putting up a site soon-ish
@regal juniper Am I able to post an invite link?
regal juniper
Not for discord, no