or selling exclusive to a big server
#off-topic
eternal apex
https://github.com/games647/LambdaAttack maybe i'll just update this, and use a plugin to handle authentication for the bots, to keep the server in online mode
eternal apex
I don't think it'd be too hard to add in some simple pathfinding ai
hook it up to dialogflow, so it can converse with users
fallow crow
Would work ig, but i dont think anyone wants a tool like that
Its basically ddos in a nutshell
๐
eternal apex
i guess
eternal apex
it only supports offline clients
eternal apex
that's their problem
shouldn't be cracking the game
most cracked servers have an anti bot plugin anyway
at least I'd hope they do
fallow crow
true
Can agree there
Rn my new one votes on the server (all plugins deal with the votes as they desire)
I wanna add donating too
The whole idea of spoofing isn't to add 100s of random players tho
Thats where most get the idea wrong
Spoof 10-20% of your real count, so you've got real players chatting
--
I'm going to run an experiment when its done, I think
eternal apex
lol
voting is a meme
I found an exploit on minecraftservers.org a while back, for some reason their ip checking doesn't account for ipv6 addresses
fallow crow
My idea is once the spoofer is complete, get a setup from MCM and run 2 identical servers.
One spoofed, another isn't
eternal apex
so, connect to an ipv6 vpn, and you can vote infinitely
velvet crescent
everyone gonna go for the spoofed one ofc
eternal apex
they fixed it eventually though
eternal apex
dunno if they saw what I was doing, someone told them, etc
eternal apex
rip
eternal apex
minecraft-server-list.com slots used to go for like 30k
eternal apex
dayum
eternal apex
i believe mcsl slots are monthly tho
fallow crow
Yeah
eternal apex
still, overall more expensive than .org
naive agate
100000%
fallow crow
iirc
eternal apex
does hypickle buy slots?
eternal apex
it's amazing they've kept their numbers for this long
eternal apex
server list slots
fallow crow
@eternal apex are you any good with fluctuation?
eternal apex
Not sure what you mean
fallow crow
I need to build a system which fluctuates a number
periodically
The idea is to essentially replicate a real server, how it goes up, goes down, may go down again, go up etc
eternal apex
not really, but my recommendation is to not handle the actual timing of that in java
java's timing utils are utter trash, I'm sure there's a better language out there for the task
obviously, you can still handle the actual number changing through a java app, but the java app should be ran from another non-java app that handles when fluctuating happens
twin dune
someone make sense of this for me
fallow crow
Lol
Oh I see, thank you. I'd prob need to handle it 'in-house', I just need to figure a nice system.
I know it will need to generate a random num Ig
and a chance (%) of it going up or down
twin dune
velvet crescent
Mackenzie, make him verify first
twin dune
The dude wasted money on UltraPerms lol
twin dune
Black
velvet crescent
black
velvet crescent
once you go black you can't got back
fallow crow
hahahaa
I touched that site a long time ago
Lel
I'd love to boot that site offline
o boi
twin dune
have yous heard of 8chan?
twin dune
Should I ask that dude if I could get a copy of UltraPerms to see if he mentions he got it from BSMC?
fallow crow
REEE
I wish google would show nice results
not some random crap
Dumb idea, can I make the Creeper Aw-man plugin for fun ๐
time to work on this bad boi
twin dune
I love this guy's english lol
fallow crow
hahahah
fallow crow
u need that cash money
twin dune
I'm trying to see if he got shit from BSMC
fallow crow
Lol that grammar tho. Remind me of an English lesson of "sentence scrambler"
eternal apex
ask him to restart his server, and ask him for the startup log once it's fully started
bsmc plugins often show a message on startup saying "cracked by asshole253"
naive agate
twin dune
k
twin dune
Hopefully he isnt reading this chat
fallow crow
Check latest.log for a "Cracked by" on enable
and disable plugin
ez
"The plugin has been disabled due to your support of leaked plugins"
eternal apex
https://github.com/help-chat/Gary/blob/master/src/main/java/me/piggypiglet/gary/core/handlers/chat/HastebinScanner.java gary finds leakers
pls no hate on my code
muted fern
ik
twin dune
I have a feeling they know what I'm up to..
fallow crow
just build a plugin that gets their log
thinksmart
Lol
oops
Mc.logs helps
thats not what I wanted
Wait i mean
muted fern
Suggest taking this convo else where,
- Don't include yourself in piracy talk, including plugin leaks.
twin dune
@muted fern We're trying to see if that dude is using leaked plugins
willow yacht
@eternal apex @fallow crow so status update, launching the game via steam fails, but if I launch the game using command-line, it seems to work..
twin dune
willow yacht
I don't really do that shit normally doe
eternal apex
so izza steam issue
willow yacht
Seems to be @eternal apex
the game still requires steam to function, obviously
but that's as simple as running it in the background and launching the game from comamnd-line
tbh idrk what's going on but i'm sure i'll work it out
fallow crow
realistic? https://i.imgur.com/1VzOQmW.png
willow yacht
Are you tryin to make a fake player count thing
willow yacht
so what's the real count in that
fallow crow
Simulating that 300 is the real count
willow yacht
i guess that could look somewhat realistic then
willow yacht
if you really want to make it realistic you'd have the count account for times when there's less americans and shit online
fallow crow
as tbh a 300 player server is prob gonna have more than 40 joining at same time
ahh ye
tho tbh, the way this would work is
it gets the real genuine count
and it adds / removes
from a % boundary
fallow crow
The values from the screenshot https://i.imgur.com/1VzOQmW.png work fine for large counts
echo badge
How does this look? Should I edit anything to make it easier to read?
fallow crow
but when it comes to small counts, its rly bad
velvet crescent
jesus that's hard to read
fallow crow
^
echo badge
ah f
echo badge
haha, I did my best okay
echo badge
no, minecraft spacing is very weird. Some letters take up less space and some take more.
fallow crow
16 = max username count
that way the | is the same
echo badge
It's hard to calculate them
fallow crow
ahh
willow yacht
Actually that depends more on texturepacks
Some texturepacks use monospaced style fonts
echo badge
urgh, this makes this table unusable. I want it to look the same on every screen
willow yacht
You're not going to have any luck doing that unless you have a mandatory texturepack
willow yacht
your best option is looking at those other plugins that use all of the rows
echo badge
Do you know any? I haven't really seen this before.
I think this looks okay. I don't think I'll change it. Thanks for your opinion
willow yacht
Columns I meant
willow yacht
Kinda like this https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/bungeetablistplus.313/
fallow crow
List<String> usernames = Arrays.asList("Siri", "PiggyPiglet", "funnycube", "Frcsty", "LagClear");
for (int i = 0; i < usernames.size(); i++) {
String username = usernames.get(i);
StringBuilder spaces = new StringBuilder();
for (int j = 0; j < 16 - username.toCharArray().length + 3; j++) {
spaces.append(" ");
}
System.out.println("#" + i + " | " + username + spaces.toString() + "|");
}```welcome
perfectly aligned bars
willow yacht
Charlie
echo badge
willow yacht
Change your output font to something like Arial or times new Roman then redo it
velvet crescent
just don't have lines at the end :leldog:
or just get the name length and subtract it from like 15 to get them all lined for each name
fallow crow
thats what i did
willow yacht
Wait is this in the scoreboard or tablist
fallow crow
if u read
echo badge
I found this online. java private List<Character> char7 = Arrays.asList('ยฐ', '~', '@'); private List<Character> char5 = Arrays.asList('"', '{', '}', '(', ')', '*', 'f', 'k', '<', '>'); private List<Character> char4 = Arrays.asList('I', 't', ' ', '[', ']', 'โฌ'); private List<Character> char3 = Arrays.asList('l', '`', 'ยณ', '\''); private List<Character> char2 = Arrays.asList(',', '.', '!', 'i', 'ยด', ':', ';', '|');
This is how many space each char takes up.
willow yacht
Jumbo, is this in the scoreboard or tablist
echo badge
The chat
echo badge
haha alright. For the plugin I'm recoding I've added a queue. A lot of items can be in the queue and I want users to be able to see who's in the queue etc. It's hard finding a clean way to display some of the info.
velvet crescent
Why don't you have it like this
<username>:
- <info1>
- <info2>
<username>: - repeat
willow yacht
Or use scoreboard idk
echo badge
Wouldn't that take too much space @velvet crescent ?
velvet crescent
depends
echo badge
And other scoreboard plugins would replace it instantly Mitch
velvet crescent
it would certainly look organised
I mean if you made it so it has pages, that would be a solution
velvet crescent
oof
willow yacht
Or using JSON hover msg things
fallow crow
JSON Derulo
echo badge
Oh yeah! smart
fallow crow
the dev version of the singer
velvet crescent
json would kinda work ye
although if the person didn't know they'd be confused
(not really sure what you're doing so :p)
fallow crow
#1 | Siri (Hover for information)
That's a bit spammy
velvet crescent
perhaps fix the spacing a bit and use a circle emote instead of the lines
echo badge
I think I'll go with the JSON tho
willow yacht
And reformat the number text part on the heading lines
velvet crescent
Jumbo show us the json aswell
echo badge
Doing it right now.
eternal apex
charlie, monitor a server of a similar size and see how much it fluctuates. Copy the pattern, change some variables
jagged pollen
json 
willow yacht
Honestly you'd really need like an AI or something to study it on a per server basis @eternal apex
fallow crow
Piggy good idea, tho idk any apis that let me check often
eternal apex
have algorithms for multiple different server sizes
ie, 100, 300, 600, 1000, 2000, etc
minetrack charlie
fallow crow
oh
willow yacht
Well if you wanted it to be completely self contained and be done without forcing the consumer to do the leg work
velvet crescent
@echo badge
fallow crow
I could add a config perhaps
echo badge
I can also show more info like team members etc.
fallow crow
@eternal apex One option would be a config ig
velvet crescent
also ye that looks decent
eternal apex
sure, just pre-populate it with data you've already found
fallow crow
cuz for a smaller server, 10-20% add/remove looks better than 0.01
echo badge
fallow crow
which is more for a larger server
velvet crescent
noice
echo badge
Yep! I'm going with this. Thanks a lot everyone
velvet crescent
cough this a skyblock core?
echo badge
I'll send you the plugin in PM
velvet crescent
๐ฎ
echo badge
The spigot page ...
twin dune
@echo badge You spelt "woth" wrong
velvet crescent
yeye
willow yacht
I think it's an ftop style plugin
jagged pollen
since its not a big tooltip, how about adding an empty line at the beginning and at the end?
also a space before and after the click this message
fallow crow
Had to modify minetrack https://i.imgur.com/mQZAyZf.png
to do logging stuff but eh
hell ye https://i.imgur.com/c3jdlqW.png
velvet crescent
oof #ecloud-updates is finna get spammed by vk
fallow crow
Idk why my gallery still contains this image xD
Basically it was a printer made by me in my plot
I'm not afraid to show the server name, cause the server is already dead
fallow crow
ty, its not actually core
its my spoofer
But the idea is to mask it so if someone sent their server log
it wouldn't reveal
sterile parrot
controversial topic, a spoofer
fallow crow
lol
its powerful tho
I need to figure the best way to hve this, the idea is u specify a min and max %
of the real count to spoof
lemmo ty for vote amirite https://i.imgur.com/7CpCOZ2.png
velvet crescent
lel
velvet crescent
lol
velvet crescent
wdym?
velvet crescent
that config is trash, I got a nicer one dw
velvet crescent
what do you want me to make it?
%player_name% ?
will probs just add papi support and remove the current <player> translator
fallow crow
add %player% for those who dont want papi
and allow papi support
lol wtf
so one fake player works
but other doesnt
nocturne fossil
My friend owns the acc Fortnite ๐ฎ
nocturne fossil
Yeah ๐
velvet crescent
Charlie sure
fallow crow
Im actually confuse
velvet crescent
%player% you noob
getting an NPE so gotta fix that first
(unlimited formats so that's nice)
velvet crescent
ingore me I was thinking of something else
fallow crow
ye so weirdly the account needs to login twoce
velvet crescent
ye that's an issue with papi sometimes
fallow crow
ah good
was gonna say
i was looking at my code like wtffffff it broke ๐ฆ
generally was about to be heartbroken
velvet crescent
it doesn't happen all the time but sometimes you gotta relog
nocturne fossil
'-'
fallow crow
we out here chilling
fallow crow
ofc
nocturne fossil
dont become diz
nocturne fossil
๐
nocturne fossil
fair enough
nocturne fossil
make ur list cuter
nocturne fossil
only bukkit :?
nocturne fossil
U using cracked server
nocturne fossil
or u own the acc siri now
nocturne fossil
Fair ๐
fallow crow
hahaha
nocturne fossil
How much purchased it for?
nocturne fossil
Well im pretty sure I saw it for sale
nocturne fossil
oh no
nocturne fossil
lol
nocturne fossil
fair enough
fallow crow
;3
nocturne fossil
localhost :?
fallow crow
yee, I could move it to a proper instance
nocturne fossil
Portforward it to your ip?
fallow crow
dig
nocturne fossil
Dig
nocturne fossil
ah
nocturne fossil
No no
boreal escarp
Morning
nocturne fossil
weewoo
fallow crow
litty
nocturne fossil
what other plugins u made in the past charlie
fallow crow
I need to fix essentials issue by giving the acc a random IP
My most notable is RankVouchers
hit 40k downloads before I quit spigot
nocturne fossil
ouch
fallow crow
gotta figure how to bind it an IP
nocturne fossil
Get a servers ip dump
fallow crow
haahahaha
nocturne fossil
i mean ill hook u up
fallow crow
๐
nocturne fossil
1s
velvet crescent
lmao
boreal escarp
you are faking player accounts or?
fallow crow
ye
boreal escarp
interesting
fallow crow
๐
@boreal escarp https://i.imgur.com/QFMeQ3k.gifv
@boreal escarp oops sorry Gabe**
boreal escarp
O.o
velvet crescent
oof
fallow crow
HI CLIP
velvet crescent
I see you using an op join plugin
velvet crescent
didn't even bother changing the message smh
pure bane
Why u spoofing
velvet crescent
I'm kinda liking it tbh
fallow crow
cuz spoofing helps ur server lol
pure bane
Or u just changing an online players name
pure bane
Cheater
pure bane
Make them all mine blocks
pure bane
Set the spoofed to npcs and set pathfinder goals to walk around your spawn
fallow crow
I wanna make them chat
but I need AI
for chatting
I wanna have them welcome new players
Maybe maxims AI thing will work
that he uses for QAPlugin
https://i.imgur.com/ozcny9Q.png randomly generated IPs now
twin dune
@fallow crow Are you the developer of essentials?
fallow crow
Yeah
velvet crescent
:leldog:
jagged pollen
o thats a nice plugin charlie
fallow crow
i think im gonna implement my fluctuation
and get setup from MCM
and leave it on there ๐
twin dune
Someone help me here, my friend (who only has a mum), his mum lives on benifits and getting him 6 laptops each for only 1 game.
It's insane
He already has 2 desktops and 4 other laptops
fallow crow
scummy
twin dune
Ikr
twin dune
Thats what I home
fallow crow
I swear.. most everyone who is learning IT in grade 11 are gonna be in big trouble..
Every contents learning in grade 11 are about learning Pascal
boreal escarp
oh well
long summit
in grade 10 i learned C and in 11 Java, my school was pretty cool
fallow crow
Lol
At grade 8, IT class were already a nightmare
And yes, it's Pascal, but more advanced in grade 11
When we had exam about Pascal in grade 8, unfortunately only me and 1 other student passed
long summit
In my class we also had a subject that was called "computer architecture" and i remember that when we got deep into the hardware half of the class didn't pass xD
fallow crow
At the point of time nearly everyone around me asked for help. Well the teacher is smart enough to provide 6 questions, each 1 question
So that he would prevent me to help lel
fallow crow
pft
boreal escarp
@woven prairie sorry for @ but does it happen to know how to test a server performances? To see how it will handle 100 players for example
fallow crow
download more ram
boreal escarp
fr you memers
velvet crescent
what the fock lol
woven prairie
Bot the server
boreal escarp
any tool for that gian?
boreal escarp
saw this but idk https://github.com/plushmonkey/avalanche
fallow crow
Guys. I need some suggestions about the purpose of playing UNO in minecraft ๐
velvet crescent
@jagged pollen /clear ?
boreal escarp
can you remove named items from the inventory @jagged pollen ?
velvet crescent
โค
boreal escarp
๐
jagged pollen
the plan was having check and remove command, ended up adding all of that 
boreal escarp
still waiting for ess to add that option to their plugin but fuck it
jagged pollen
i dont wait for anyone ๐
boreal escarp
๐
jagged pollen
why would u give up?
twin dune
This guy "purchased" UltraPerms but doesn't know where the logs are?! wtf
boreal escarp
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fallow crow
That's dank 
twin dune
He thinks I'm asking for luckperms logs or some shit
jagged pollen
@boreal escarp https://img.aboodyy.net/19.08.07_18-48.png
fallow crow
The only thing i hate about Itemstack is long lore ๐
boreal escarp
nicer? lol it looks ๐ฅ
velvet crescent
use this โช instead of -
boreal escarp
perhaps "from the player's inventory" @jagged pollen ?
naive agate
ABoo I like it
twin dune
@eternal apex
I dont see cracked shit https://pastebin.com/raw/BtwikxjS
Referring to this mesage: https://discordapp.com/channels/164280494874165248/164523548390457355/608594488767545353
jagged pollen
its nice @velvet crescent 
velvet crescent
It's not bad, it could be nicer โค
velvet crescent
aBoo, please try my suggestion
jagged pollen
wont do anything now :p
velvet crescent
๐
twin dune
velvet crescent
wait wasn't he already using UP ?
velvet crescent
idc
fallow crow
Lemme get on laptop baby girl
velvet crescent
okay bb
nocturne fossil
Jesus Charlie
velvet crescent
LMAO
velvet crescent
(talking bout the domain)
nocturne fossil
Obviously
fallow crow
or bad
velvet crescent
That's og
nocturne fossil
Good
nocturne fossil
Smh
fallow crow
xdd
nocturne fossil
Yeah ๐ญ
fallow crow
lmfao look @ the game im playing according to discord
nocturne fossil
Add friend lol
fallow crow
lMAO
ITS NOT EVEN EDDITED
i got 200iq
tf
lmao
wanna know how?
wait people with under 1iq will never know
ahhh xd
jagged pollen
lol
fallow crow
wew
o
nice
Spoof.gg - The Premium Solution for Minecraft Servers
idk
i need someone good with english / marketing
velvet crescent
Buy this now, or I delete your paypal account
fallow crow
hahahahaha
velvet crescent
boom thousands of sales
velvet crescent
nah
velvet crescent
"We have sold over 750 copies as of last week!"
velvet crescent
lmao
velvet crescent
Still getting an NPE Charlie ,-,
fallow crow
150kb download wtf
boreal escarp
I take a pic in front of my dads rarri
Lmao
twin dune
@fallow crow you know your spoof plugin?
twin dune
I suggest changing your /spoof command name to something less obvious
arctic raptor
why tho
Just make the No Permission message configurable and by default make it look like the default MC "Unknown Command" message ;)
twin dune
1.14 auto complete
fallow crow
its renamed to Core
arctic raptor
And make it so people cant use tab to find the plugin
twin dune
1.14 auto complete
fallow crow
but the plugin name is called Core
arctic raptor
There still has to be a way to make it not show up on Auto Complete
fallow crow
and drew already is unknown cmd
it doesnt matter if it does
only /core will show
and it can be disabled with another plugin
arctic raptor
yep
fallow crow
so tbh i see it the server owners fault
if they cant add a blocking plugin
I need to build a license panel too
velvet crescent
How would I got about breaking a block instantly, would I give a player a high amount of haste or what?
arctic raptor
Break it with anything or specifically a tool
velvet crescent
nah not checking for tools or such, just wanna instabreak some blocks with their hand
velvet crescent
is there 
velvet crescent
well that's naturally tho
velvet crescent
ohh
fallow crow
/ __/__ ___ ___ / _/ ___ ____ _
_\ \/ _ \/ _ \/ _ \/ _/ _ / _ `/ _ `/
/___/ .__/\___/\___/_/ (_) \_, /\_, /
/_/ /___//___/ ```niuce
velvet crescent
wait I could use this Charlie
BlockDamageEvent
since I can check when the player starts mining
(wasn't able to find the "premine" one)
ah okay that's what you meant
hm?
I would just go with Spoof
or SpoofCore
it's private right?
dang boi
I broke essentials earlier
legit completely broke the plugin
neon dagger
@manic grail why'd you invite me to this discord?
velvet crescent
felt good
valk, report it to barry if he was DM advertising (dm @honest thistle and he will respond)
jagged pollen
if the player doesn't have permission to the command, it wont show up in the tab complete list
But if he guessed the command and sent it, it will send him the no permission command
Which would be good if u made it changeable for the server owner to set their unknown message, cuz the unknown message is changeable too
boreal escarp
How much for that spoof thingo @fallow crow
fallow crow
@velvet crescent why would he report someone for that?
velvet crescent
because it's annoying af? I also recommend reporting people who DM advertise to discord
as it's against their TOS
boreal escarp
Dont report to barry such a things LOL
arctic raptor
pretty sure the guy said he was invited here
fallow crow
he diud
boreal escarp
Yes
arctic raptor
not someone was DM advertising to him
velvet crescent
okay then I missunderstood his message
boreal escarp
If someone random msg me and invite me to a server I just ignore the msg lol, no need for drama
fallow crow
1.1mb upload
velvet crescent
nah I usually report to discord if I have time
fallow crow
woah
velvet crescent
(mostly due to the fact that if they messaged me they will message tons of others)
boreal escarp
I only report the bots to dbl discord.
velvet crescent
SpoofCore
boreal escarp
so it's a fake players plugin?
velvet crescent
That would be affirmative
jagged pollen
Players will be able to move/make actions right?
So not like this one
=plugin playersimulator
honest thistleBOT
jagged pollen
I use it to test
wew
cool
Yea thats what im talking about
well im just saying that it will be unique unlike that one 
And want u to know about that
Great!
boreal escarp
but
jagged pollen
Good luck!
boreal escarp
does it come with a force op function?
velvet crescent
no Frosty tho
naive barn
Am i allowed to post discord invite links in #606650907597340693 ? Haven't seen anything in the rules related to that but i think the bot removes links that do
jagged pollen
That's not allowed.
You can post a link to your website, thread, etc. but not a discord invite link.
fallow crow
lmao never benchmarkj a shit gpu
naive agate
@naive barn discord links not allowed
boreal escarp
p.p
young temple
boreal escarp
lmao ikr
boreal escarp
f
manic grail
Do people use those service teams
Why do they exist if there's literally a channel for posting freelance offers
Why need freelance finders
arctic raptor
it is
naive barn
solved @arctic raptor
arctic raptor
๐ Was just letting you know.
naive barn
thanks
there's a few reason people may want to go through service teams (even though fluent is not really a service team):
- Secure payments. Many freelancers get false chargebacks, etc; which means they lose money they worked to get. At the same time, i've known trustable freelancers with strong CV screwing over clients. Having a impartial platform mediate the issue for you is extremely useful. Paypal may have a say, but disputes through paypal are hard to do since you need to give all context needed to the paypal employee doing the dispute resolution.
- No more time wasted with clients "wanting" something and then bugging you down with the bill. In the case of fluent for example, clients must write their entire comission details, budget and timeframe BEFORE the project starts. I'm currently working with many enterprise networks and even then i'm having some not properly describe projects and leading to me learn less or give them a price, and then learning i need to do extra work. Sometimes you can say you won't do it, sometimes that's going to lead to less damage than sacrificing time and doing a non-profitable deal
woven prairie
Uhhh
arctic raptor
Lol I dont deal with all that chargeback bullshit
The second money hits my paypal I either transfer it into my bank account or to a different account
velvet crescent
Gian hey bb
naive barn
which is fine, but if you get to - in your account you need to put money back into paypal
woven prairie
Even with normal one on one, we write down the commission details, budget, and timeframe before the project starts... Otherwsie, there's nothing to go off, lmao
But, hey. To each their own
arctic raptor
Deleting 14,000 files with file zila is the slowest process
naive barn
rm -rf drew
depends on the clients gian. I've had clients (albeit not the most reputable) asking for a thing, and then adding new features one by one.
If it reaches a point, you can just not do it, but if it's minor - medium; you have to do it
To be fair, a big chunk of my enteprise clients actually do ask for a lot of changes after my project is done. Some of them are fine with paying extra, some are difficult
slim spear
i think the "service teams" are just for noobs trying t oget into the scene who would have a hard time getting exposure otherwise
that being said it seems everyone just buys from individuals who are already established
arctic raptor
Service teams help freelances find work
slim spear
yeah
arctic raptor
thats why people will go work for them
naive barn
^
slim spear
lul
jagged pollen
Agree about the changing part
Alot of people change their mind about things uve already done
naive barn
happens
arctic raptor
^^^
naive barn
which means a client can come to me and say
"i won't pay the rest of 50% and lead you to a loss"
arctic raptor
I used to do Modeling, i've been scammed by not taking 50% down
naive barn
happened
jagged pollen
Also they get new idea while ure doing the job which requires u to change somethings uve already done if its related
arctic raptor
I spent 6 hours modeling something for someone to not get paid
naive barn
who wants a plugin named "Servername-etc"
usually with a bad idea
most really good ideas are already on the market
let's be honest
what size was the project?
a client once asked me to make a minigame about people jumping over a pit in minecraft
paid 75 EUR for me to do it, and then kept adding new features to it
jagged pollen
Yea u can sell it to another client or just upload it to mcm or something
naive barn
until it started taking a lot of time
jagged pollen
But that doesn't always work out
naive barn
who wants a plugin that makes players jump over a pit
over and over?
go to one ledge, turn back and jump to the other
just that
and some particles
which weren't making it less pointless
arctic raptor
Thats what I did
I resold all my for fun models or the ones I got scammed out of
naive barn
plus another thing
when you resell clients' work (even if you are right), you're trashing your reputation
can't afford that
jagged pollen
It happens sometimes Stefatorus, but u got 50%.. better than nothing
naive barn
yeah, true
jagged pollen
True that
naive barn
but that's what we were talking about
arctic raptor
oh I dont resell anything I custom made for people when they commissioned me to make it
arctic raptor
Its in the purchase plan when they hire me to make something custom its theirs and nobody elses unless they give it to other people
woven prairie
I just don't like the fact that owners of service teams take a large cut, lmao
arctic raptor
My company is looking for designers, we only take 20%
woven prairie
20% is a ton
jagged pollen
I haven't dealt with a server team before nor been with one, cant tell why people hate teams
arctic raptor
The point of design is just to get a little bit of extra recognition
naive barn
i for example give new enterprise clients a 30$ coupon. I need to get that money from somewhere
woven prairie
You've literally done no work, used the freelancers portfolio to showcase what "you" offer, and are now taking 20% just because I chose to work with him? lmao, issa no from me
naive barn
that's going to scare people away Charlie. Even if you are right, if there's a rumor you're giving out client's product, that's super unprofessional
i'd rather lose 50%, even though that doens't really happen now since i take 100% upfront
arctic raptor
Except in my case I am a designer myself..
so you can't say I've done no goddamn work
jagged pollen
Wow 100% upfront
arctic raptor
I've spent countless hours working with people and making things for their resource packs
jagged pollen
Do clients accept that
woven prairie
I'm not saying it like that
naive barn
@woven prairie it depends on the case. In my case, i give coupons to server owners paid from my part (upwards of 60% ticket sum), spend countless hours trying to get clients, asking most my own clients to go through the platform when working with me to get more people on, and also spend time working on the bot, website, etc
let's remember companies make around 50% of the cut of a employee
arctic raptor
Most of my model work was made for a personal project or for fun
I enjoyed making images come to life
naive barn
they pay you 20$ a hour to resolve client's incidents, they sell your time for 100$ a hour
that's 80%
IBM iirc
naive barn
it is different slightly, they give you safety
it's a fixed amount of money you earn; but they still take a big chunk off
way larger than 30%, which is what i take
jagged pollen
well ure talking about irl job (full time job mostly) which gives u more that $1000 monthly and not 100
arctic raptor
I only take 20 and apprenetly thats large
woven prairie
That's a flex, lmao
jagged pollen
To earn 2k
naive barn
fluent gets less than 5% of what i earn
tomorrow i've planned to work on my public resources lukas
jagged pollen
ah
naive barn
fluent just started a couple of weeks ago, it's not yet getting money in
i mean technically it is, but it's from my own clients i've redirected to work through it
let's remember songoda pays her devs 75 EUR a week (iirc)
not like i agree with that, but that's the truth
velvet crescent
juck
naive barn
there are many people that don't know how to self-advertise and run a business
jagged pollen
Well tbh, it is the truth
naive barn
in the capitalist world, it's about what talent you get and how much money you manage to juice off their naiveness
let's remember we don't call our boss at work a partner
it's a boss
jagged pollen
The person who is doing the actual job always take the amount after their 'company' take a cut
naive barn
thing is for companies that cut is around 70-80%
arctic raptor
what
jagged pollen
Yea true
naive barn
for me it's 30%
arctic raptor
like wtf
naive barn
it's normal Drew
arctic raptor
I just changed mine to 10%
naive barn
what job is it?
naive barn
and they only take 10%
arctic raptor
Like I said any design sales is just to help the designer get recognition
naive barn
how big of a company is it?
jagged pollen
as i said, ive never worked in a service team and im not thinking to. But its not same as a irl job
arctic raptor
brought in $1500 USD so far